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Speaker 3: By the way, I've started taking notes joy On on
Speaker 3: my phone as well, because I find out I can
Speaker 3: watch episodes like, well, I'm putting my son down, and
Speaker 3: I gotta say, I don't think I'm gonna go back
Speaker 3: to pen and paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of nice just to be able to
Speaker 1: have it all right now. I use my I like
Speaker 1: my iPad and my uh pence Apple pencil because I
Speaker 1: can just do I have the same template every time.
Speaker 3: Huh. So you're just the futuristic version of a pen
Speaker 3: and paper, I guess, or quill and ink if you will.
Speaker 3: Quill and ink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but having notes all written out on your phone,
Speaker 1: can you type? Like is that easy to do while
Speaker 1: you're doing other things? You feel like you can?
Speaker 3: No, I just you have to pause the episode for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, it makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just it's nice because I can kind of two
Speaker 3: birds one stone it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hi, everybody, welcome to the middle of our conversation.
Speaker 1: We're just talking about technology fixing my computer, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about taking notes on this weird episode. Rob, what's
Speaker 1: the episode? Do you want to tell us?
Speaker 3: I'd love to? Season seven, episode nineteen, Every Picture Tells
Speaker 3: a Story. Air date was April twenty six, twoenty ten.
Speaker 3: It's the night of Quinn's big gallery opening and an
Speaker 3: uninvited guest Ambush is Clay Oh. Nathan spends the day
Speaker 3: with Jamie while Haley struggles with the life after her
Speaker 3: mother's passing. Brooke and Julian each receive a shocking surprise. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Skills learns the truth about Lauren and Mouth and Grubs
Speaker 3: presents Miranda with a life changing question. Directed by our
Speaker 3: own Chad Grave written by William H. Brown, Well, well,
Speaker 3: you came in with an interesting energy towards this episode,
Speaker 3: so why don't you start say more about that sort
Speaker 3: of vibe you gave.
Speaker 1: I thought the writing was exceptionally lazy, and we're getting
Speaker 1: to this point and this is it's hard to say
Speaker 1: that because a lot of our writers we all love
Speaker 1: and had great experiences with and like every other day job,
Speaker 1: there get to you enter into seasons I think, where
Speaker 1: you're focus on something else, or people have things going
Speaker 1: on in their personal life, and there's there's so many
Speaker 1: things going on. So I don't know what all the
Speaker 1: factors were that contributed this. Because Bill Brown's actually a
Speaker 1: pretty good writer. I think he's done some really great
Speaker 1: stuff for our show. So I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the if, the room just it's
Speaker 1: like we there were so many things that didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: There was It felt to me like the conversations were
Speaker 1: very talking heads. Like there was low energy everywhere in
Speaker 1: this episode, and I was confused. But maybe I'm being grouchy.
Speaker 1: I'm also like my energy's down a little. Paul Teele,
Speaker 1: who played Josh, passed away recently a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: actually so and I worked pretty closely with him on
Speaker 1: this show, but mostly on a play that I did
Speaker 1: with him when we did The Notebook in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. So it was hard to see him and
Speaker 1: watch just watch him. He was so great, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that's coloring my perspective of the episode.
Speaker 1: I just feel a little I feel a little down,
Speaker 1: So I was probably projecting that on the rest of everything.
Speaker 3: I don't know fair, And also I don't I let
Speaker 3: me validate what you're saying. It was a confusing episode
Speaker 3: because a lot of my notes are filled with questions
Speaker 3: as the comments. But I agree with you. I think
Speaker 3: I think Paul's great because you're right, the energy is
Speaker 3: kind of low in this episode and he's just sort
Speaker 3: of up to something. Yeah, and he was just great
Speaker 3: in everything he did, and so yeah, just what a
Speaker 3: heartbreaking loss. So young, such a talented, sweet guy.
Speaker 1: He really was so talented and so like what's really
Speaker 1: funny about watching him in this role is that, you know,
Speaker 1: when we did the Notebook, I was we worked very
Speaker 1: he was Noah in my version of the Notebook, so
Speaker 1: he was he worked very closely with me for I
Speaker 1: think we rehearsed for like three or four months before
Speaker 1: we put that workshop up, So it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was we took our time. So he and I
Speaker 1: worked very closely together every day for a long time.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, he is nothing like that
Speaker 1: character like Josh, It's so funny to see because he
Speaker 1: is so shy. I never once saw him throw any
Speaker 1: kind of a temper tantrum. I never saw him say
Speaker 1: an unkind word to anybody. He was shy and sweat
Speaker 1: and just wanted to make space for everybody. But he
Speaker 1: felt so free on stage, like you put him in
Speaker 1: a character and he just totally opened up. And it's
Speaker 1: so fun to watch actors like that who are so
Speaker 1: comfortable in their skin and who they are as a
Speaker 1: human that they don't feel the need to sort of
Speaker 1: act out that. But there's these all these little pieces
Speaker 1: of our personality, Like when he gets into a role,
Speaker 1: he just turned into somebody else. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet it was so fun for him because
Speaker 3: you always hear actors like what do they want to play?
Speaker 3: And it's usually the opposite. Yeah, you know of who
Speaker 3: they are, so it's like the nicest people love like
Speaker 3: Brian Krantzt and like relished playing Walter White, you know,
Speaker 3: and he crushed at it too. So yeah, Paul was
Speaker 3: a guy.
Speaker 1: Just storm into that trailer and slam the door in
Speaker 1: the throw the wardrobe out at Sophia's Like, whoa, that
Speaker 1: is so not you.
Speaker 3: It was great. He was great, But I agree with
Speaker 3: you the episode there was just there was a lot
Speaker 3: of odd things about it. And it's one of the
Speaker 3: things I feel like, it's almost as if they were
Speaker 3: short on time and they went like, let's just add
Speaker 3: twenty seconds to a handful of scenes, because I did
Speaker 3: notice there is this weird theme. I don't want to
Speaker 3: get ahead of ourselves, but there's this odd, odd theme
Speaker 3: that happens probably three or four times in this episode,
Speaker 3: where something unexpected and unfortunate to say the least, happens
Speaker 3: to a character and the care and attention is put
Speaker 3: on the wrong people, Like I think it starts with Miranda,
Speaker 3: where Grubbs walks in and Miranda's like devastated. She's like,
Speaker 3: I'm being deported. Yeah, and his first thought, like his
Speaker 3: first thing is kind of snarky, like I thought you
Speaker 3: were going to do the record with me, And then
Speaker 3: she's like I'm I'm going to be deported, and rather
Speaker 3: than reading the room and being like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: your life is being up ended, he goes, yeah, what
Speaker 3: does that mean for us? Right? And then like Jana,
Speaker 3: excuse me, alex is involved in a sex tape which
Speaker 3: she did not consent to, and the initial emphasis is
Speaker 3: put on she apologizes to because Julian comes in hot
Speaker 3: at her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, than like.
Speaker 3: Asking, you know, even when she said that, he doesn't
Speaker 3: kind of pull it back and go, Okay, that's awful.
Speaker 3: And then when she comes to apologize, she's she's apologizing
Speaker 3: on Bee. When she goes to Josh about it, she's like,
Speaker 3: you jeopardize the film and these people. I'm like, yeah, also,
Speaker 3: how about you are the biggest victim here?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there was no like, hey are you okay?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like that's horrendous what just happened to you?
Speaker 1: That should be the first priority out of all of this,
Speaker 1: everybody checking to see if Alex is okay.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's just so, it's this odd thing
Speaker 3: and it happens again. I forget who it is, but yeah,
Speaker 3: where it's this thing where it's like the characters eventually
Speaker 3: get to the right place in terms of like focusing
Speaker 3: on who the this thing happened to, but they all
Speaker 3: like they all start with making like being selfish and
Speaker 3: not focusing on the person it was actually wrong to
Speaker 3: the victim in the case, and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which would have worked if there had been somebody
Speaker 1: who was pointing it out, so that at the least
Speaker 1: we learned the lesson of like, here's what it looks
Speaker 1: like when you don't empathize and you only worry about
Speaker 1: yourself in scenarios, And here's what it looks like when
Speaker 1: you care about someone else. Yes, but nobody was doing that.
Speaker 3: No, it was like Grubs was about himself, Julian was
Speaker 3: about himself, and then Alex felt bad, so she let
Speaker 3: it be about Julian, even though she's the biggest victim
Speaker 3: of Like what do we know, be upset for yourself?
Speaker 3: You know, Grubs got there and Julian got there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it started off me going like really.
Speaker 1: So that Yeah, so that's one thing that didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: We talked last week about the Clay and Sarah slash
Speaker 1: Katie of it all and how we're doing Superman now,
Speaker 1: like she puts on the glasses and now suddenly nobody
Speaker 1: knows who she is. I mean, the fact that Quinn
Speaker 1: has been dating Clay for long enough that they're saying
Speaker 1: I love you, and she's never seen a photograph of Sarah,
Speaker 1: They've never had a late night conversation of tell me
Speaker 1: everything about her? Show me pictures of her, Show me
Speaker 1: pictures of you, guys. I want to see your wedding photos.
Speaker 1: I want to know who you were together. Hello. What
Speaker 1: is their relationship if they haven't had moments like this?
Speaker 3: Yes? And especially do you remember that scene on the
Speaker 3: beach after she confesses to her when it's raining outside,
Speaker 3: and after he shoes her away and then he gets
Speaker 3: in his car and he finally says, I had a wife.
Speaker 3: Her name was Sarah. She died. There's a scene after
Speaker 3: that where Clay and Quinn are sitting on the beach
Speaker 3: talking like it's like now the morning time, and it
Speaker 3: ends with I think maybe Clay says something the effective
Speaker 3: like well should we go, you know, or start our
Speaker 3: day or something, and she's like, nah, tell me more
Speaker 3: about Sarah. It's this really sweet like I'm I have
Speaker 3: space for all of this and I'm interested moment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm with you. And also she makes a comment
Speaker 3: I think it was in the previous episode or the
Speaker 3: one before that, where she says, hey, I noticed that
Speaker 3: there aren't any pictures of Sarah up. I hope that's
Speaker 3: not because of me. So I'm with you. It just
Speaker 3: feels so so weird. That she's never seen a picture
Speaker 3: of Sarah.
Speaker 1: It feels also like okay, as I'm I'm maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like pretty easy fix if
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to do this storyline, to
Speaker 1: have a couple of scenes here and there where Quinn
Speaker 1: is like, I really, you know, you've never shown me
Speaker 1: a photo of Sarah. I would love to see what
Speaker 1: does she look like? And Clay's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: all the photos are locked away. I put it in storage.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just it's a little too much for
Speaker 1: me to have around. I mean, it's reasonable as a
Speaker 1: time before everybody had photos all over their cell phone.
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's a world where we could
Speaker 1: have possibly believed that, but they just didn't make an effort,
Speaker 1: so we have no reason to believe it.
Speaker 3: Well, and so it's odd. Right. So she comes into
Speaker 3: the gallery, and you know, first of all, there's there's
Speaker 3: the hilarious shot of when Clay sees so Quinn walks
Speaker 3: over and goes, hey, I want to introduce you to
Speaker 3: the girl I'm going to be sharing you with, which
Speaker 3: was like, what's happening right now? And then it shows
Speaker 3: that Clay sees Katie standing there. There's the slow mo
Speaker 3: as if as if you're not going to see surprise
Speaker 3: on Clay's face. There's the slow mode drop of the beer,
Speaker 3: and then the close up of the bottle exploding on
Speaker 3: the ground. What as if the audience is like, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what's Oh, the bottle broke Clay's surprise. This
Speaker 3: is big.
Speaker 1: It's so disappointing.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, right, Okay, so it's this odd
Speaker 3: game again. I don't understand why Clay didn't get home
Speaker 3: from his scouting trip and immediately download to Quinn. You're
Speaker 3: never gonna believe what just happened to me, yep, because
Speaker 3: that is that would be the craziest of crazy tea.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you wouldn't want to spill that
Speaker 3: with your favorite person. Yes, and okay, whatever he does it,
Speaker 3: maybe he's got baggage. Who cares? Then the fact that
Speaker 3: he plays along in the gallery where he actually lets
Speaker 3: himself be introduced to her and he reacts as if
Speaker 3: he doesn't know who she is. He doesn't just go
Speaker 3: I know who you're Katie, Yeah, we spoke. He does
Speaker 3: this weird thing. I said this last episode where it's
Speaker 3: he is behaving as if he has done something that
Speaker 3: he does not want to come out. He's behaving like
Speaker 3: a man who has had an affair. So he plays,
Speaker 3: he does the dance. It's awkward, and then he doubles
Speaker 3: down on his shady behavior by like surreptitiously in indifferent scene,
Speaker 3: walking over to Katie grabbing her by the arm.
Speaker 1: A couple of arm grabs in this episode too.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then which like why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: It's so like nineteen forties, like come here, I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk to you on the corner. Come here when.
Speaker 3: Yes, as if she listened, pal, she's obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure if you just said, hey, can you
Speaker 3: meet me in the corner, she'd be like, absolutely, I'm
Speaker 3: obsessed with you.
Speaker 1: Don't touch her. There's an intimacy in that kind of touching.
Speaker 3: Dude, exactly. And then he pulls over and he's doing
Speaker 3: like the shout whisper thing, like what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: This is the behavior of a man whose mistress has
Speaker 3: shown up to his kid's birthday party where his wife
Speaker 3: is at yes.
Speaker 1: Of one thousand percent.
Speaker 3: But then he tells Quinn, so here's what I don't
Speaker 3: get what like from a writing standpoint, this here's what
Speaker 3: I would have loved to have seen, is that he
Speaker 3: had told Quinn about this Katie girl, and when she
Speaker 3: shows up, Quinn is in on it too, because this
Speaker 3: isn't a thread that we kept going where Quinn's in
Speaker 3: the dark. At the scene, Clay grabs her by the arm.
Speaker 3: He's like, he goes to Quinn, he goes, hey, I
Speaker 3: want to show you a picture, and he unloads it,
Speaker 3: which was also weird that I didn't understandhy Quinn wasn't like,
Speaker 3: why were you then? Why didn't you say anything?
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah? Also, even Katie, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the easiest one to write off because she's a
Speaker 1: little bonkers. But why would she show up to the
Speaker 1: girlfriend's event and assume that the girlfriend doesn't know what
Speaker 1: Sarah looks like? Quinn being the girlfriend, like, why would
Speaker 1: she you know what I mean? Why would she show
Speaker 1: up and think I'm going to get away with this?
Speaker 3: Well, I think her defense would be that she is
Speaker 3: not a rational person. You are applying rationale to an
Speaker 3: irrational person exactly. Also, when Clay and Quinn walk into
Speaker 3: the gallery at the start of the episode, I thought
Speaker 3: it was funny because it's it almost is as if
Speaker 3: Clay is presenting it to Quinn, even though it's her
Speaker 3: gallery show. She was listen, if you're doing a gallery opening.
Speaker 3: She has been there for hours every single day, going
Speaker 3: over every minute detail. Yes, but whatever. It was just
Speaker 3: so sort of odd that he was like, close your eyes,
Speaker 3: are you ready, as if she wasn't there an hour
Speaker 3: beforehand doing all the touch ups. And then he does
Speaker 3: the count of two. He does the Katie thing. He
Speaker 3: goes one, two and he turns on the lights. I
Speaker 3: found myself pissed off, like, Clay, do better, what Katie thing?
Speaker 3: The whole thing with Katie is on the count of two.
Speaker 3: When they're on the bridge, they're me cute, oh with Sarah,
Speaker 3: Yeah with Sarah, and he's like, oh yeah, I may
Speaker 3: have said Katie. With Sarah. He's like, yeah, the count
Speaker 3: of two, and she's like, who does count of two?
Speaker 3: And he's like us, Oh.
Speaker 1: So now he's bringing that into him and then he
Speaker 1: does it to Quinn.
Speaker 3: I'm like, give her her own thing, no leftovers, no leftovers,
Speaker 3: it's a new restaurant.
Speaker 1: Come on, to be fair about that. I have a
Speaker 1: friend I just had a conversation with who their mom
Speaker 1: died and their dad who's also much older. He's in
Speaker 1: his seventies now, and he he remarried, but he keeps
Speaker 1: putting the new wife in all the same situations as
Speaker 1: his wife of like fifty years, by like taking her
Speaker 1: to the same special places that he used to go
Speaker 1: to with his wife and taking in like buying things
Speaker 1: for the new wife that were the same exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing, like the same watch but in a different
Speaker 1: color for the that he did for his previous wife.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if this is just a grieving man thing.
Speaker 1: That's like I just I only know how to function
Speaker 1: one way. But that's also somebody who was married for
Speaker 1: like fifty years, not and who's old and not knowing
Speaker 1: how to do something else. I mean, Clay is a
Speaker 1: young man, like he should he should be doing some
Speaker 1: different things for Quinn.
Speaker 3: Does the new wife does she know?
Speaker 1: She doesn't know. No. I mean the kids have been
Speaker 1: like having to communicate, like dad, please stop, it actually
Speaker 1: hurts us. You guys have to find new things. And
Speaker 1: she's like, why is everybody mad at me?
Speaker 3: Why did the kids cry when we go to Applebee's hunting?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, so I guess I could write Clay
Speaker 1: a repass on the one too as an instinct. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: it is strange that he's introducing her to the venue.
Speaker 3: Well, and also just because she's not aware of it,
Speaker 3: I feel like if it was, if it was something
Speaker 3: she was aware of, it makes it a little less
Speaker 3: weird for me for some reason. But it's almost kind
Speaker 3: of like he's recycling it and she thinks it might
Speaker 3: be for her. Whatever, It's not a big moment. It
Speaker 3: was just a small, a small beef I had. I
Speaker 3: will say though, going back to this gentleman who remarried,
Speaker 3: I don't mind that gentleman taking her to the same
Speaker 3: restaurants because he's seventy years old. He's had a lot
Speaker 3: of time to try a lot of restaurants, and he
Speaker 3: knows what he likes, so good for him. The watch
Speaker 3: is weird because that's a gift for her that you're
Speaker 3: not involved in, and you still chose the one that
Speaker 3: your former partner had. Yeah, that's the one. I'm a kid.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, nobody.
Speaker 4: No, we need new things, new things, all right.
Speaker 1: So Clay is kerfuffled by Katie coming in handles it
Speaker 1: all wrong. I'm you know what else? I really was
Speaker 1: bummed about this story Sorry, guys, there are good things
Speaker 1: about this episode. I just this storyline bothered me too,
Speaker 1: because when Clay came on the show, you Rob, you
Speaker 1: had so much energy, You had so much there was
Speaker 1: this banter with James, and there was this sort of
Speaker 1: snap to your personality, and we entered into the Sarah
Speaker 1: storyline and we got to see a really lovely, emotional
Speaker 1: side of Clay that was meaningful, and we needed that
Speaker 1: to be able to grab onto depth for you as
Speaker 1: an audience member to know to really fall in love
Speaker 1: with you beyond just like I like this guy and
Speaker 1: I like his fun personality. But once we got through
Speaker 1: that and now he's with Quinn, Like it's the promise
Speaker 1: of fun that I believed I was going to get
Speaker 1: almost consistently with Clay based on the way that they
Speaker 1: introduced to your character that I'm getting annoyed, Like I
Speaker 1: want to see more fun, snappy banter, Clay. I want
Speaker 1: to see who I was promised and I am not
Speaker 1: getting it because they just entered you into another dramatic,
Speaker 1: melodramatic storyline and miss I miss the you that I saw.
Speaker 1: I missed the Clay that I met.
Speaker 3: Wow, I've never thought about it like that, but I
Speaker 3: totally get it because I can also tell you for me,
Speaker 3: comedy is my strike zone, Like that's sort of enter.
Speaker 3: That is my favorite place to play. And I agree
Speaker 3: that I got to do it at the start. And
Speaker 3: then they were like, but let's give him all the drama.
Speaker 1: You know, and yeah, fine for a season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it goes on for a while.
Speaker 1: Just keeps going on and on and on.
Speaker 3: So I know, as the actor involved, I do recall
Speaker 3: kind of feeling like, hey, guys, when are we gonna
Speaker 3: come up for air?
Speaker 1: It's like hiring a Jeremy Piven or Evince Vaughn type
Speaker 1: of you know, like these guys who are known for
Speaker 1: being having so much personality. Say what you want about them.
Speaker 1: I don't know them personally, but like hiring them to
Speaker 1: do something that I don't know who's like somebody that
Speaker 1: does a lot of melodrama as an actor, like hiring
Speaker 1: them to do Denzel type roles. I don't know, where
Speaker 1: is the quippiness, where is all the fun? Where is
Speaker 1: Clay trying to make light of things? They just would
Speaker 1: not let you do it and it felt so frustrated
Speaker 1: for me as an audience member. I mean it, you
Speaker 1: did a great job, like you're so good at the drama.
Speaker 1: I just wish they'd let you expand on your personality
Speaker 1: more that they the one they knew you had.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I started. I kind of mentioned last
Speaker 3: episode that I had a take. I don't. I'm curious
Speaker 3: actually what people will will think about it. I'm wondering
Speaker 3: how many people on the same page as me. But
Speaker 3: I have been wanting, by the way, are we just
Speaker 3: calling her Lauren now that we haven't seen her in
Speaker 3: the classroom? I can't call her miss Lauren every episode
Speaker 3: I do too. I'm just gonna stick with it, miss Lauren,
Speaker 3: Miss Lauren. I have wanted something to happen between Miss
Speaker 3: Lauren and Mouth, like basically this whole season, they've been
Speaker 3: sort of playing this one foot in, one foot out
Speaker 3: dance with us. We finally got a moment the end
Speaker 3: of two episodes ago, but they immediately excused it as
Speaker 3: drunk behavior by Mouth. Then they came back and Miss
Speaker 3: Lauren kissed him and Skills walked in, and then we
Speaker 3: have this episode, and I gotta say, I think there
Speaker 3: is a very strong case to be made for Skills
Speaker 3: stepping aside and Mouth and miss Lauren to give it
Speaker 3: a go.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I guess I agree. Skills did leave and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of broke up when he left, right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they were trying to maintain a long
Speaker 1: distance relationship, so and he had to know that they
Speaker 1: were still hanging out.
Speaker 3: Here's kind of some of my reasoning, right, is that
Speaker 3: so he left, he didn't even ask her if she
Speaker 3: wanted to come, a point which she brought up and
Speaker 3: said it would if at least He's like, would you
Speaker 3: have come? And she says no, but it would have
Speaker 3: been nice to be asked. So it wasn't even serious
Speaker 3: enough for him to entertain the conversation with her. He
Speaker 3: leaves right, and when he leaves, he's gone gone. There's
Speaker 3: a scene in which Miss Lauren shows up and Mouth
Speaker 3: is playing Vida games and he says, oh, I'm on
Speaker 3: with Skills now, and she makes a comment to the
Speaker 3: effect of, how's he doing. I haven't talked to him
Speaker 3: in a really long time, So he's not keeping in
Speaker 3: touch with her, he's not keeping an open line of communication.
Speaker 3: And then and then the whole while Miss Lauren and
Speaker 3: Mouth are finding like friendship in each other. It starts
Speaker 3: off very innocently. It's like it starts off the way
Speaker 3: it should, like, with a good foundation of friendship, and
Speaker 3: then it kind of starts to evolve into more and
Speaker 3: then skill, and like they think about it, they're like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be your rebound. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be your rebound. And then even after they've done
Speaker 3: their due diligence and they've weighed all the kind of
Speaker 3: the things at play, and they go like, let's give
Speaker 3: us a try. Of course, at that very moment, Skills
Speaker 3: walks in. And then here's my other issue. There is
Speaker 3: just this strong entitlement of on Skills is part on
Speaker 3: the writing part, because I don't want to say ownership.
Speaker 3: That's too extreme. But like he does, he shows up
Speaker 3: and in the gallery, he walks up because Louren and
Speaker 3: Mouth are talking, and he walks up and he puts
Speaker 3: his arm around her waist and he says, hey, do
Speaker 3: you mind if I steal my girl away for a second?
Speaker 3: And I just thought to myself, that's wild that you
Speaker 3: would leave for months, not weeks, months presumably not talk
Speaker 3: at all, and then you would walk up, put your
Speaker 3: arm around her and call her your girl.
Speaker 1: And he even said that when he walked in the
Speaker 1: door right after they had kissed. Hey baby, yes, so
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Like to me, what I don't like about it is
Speaker 3: it's it kind of smacks of someone who is really
Speaker 3: just like focused on themselves. It's sort of like I left,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming everything else frozen time, and now that I'm back,
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up right where I left off
Speaker 3: because I'm the main character. And then he says he
Speaker 3: has the audacity to say to her after he like
Speaker 3: pulls her outside of the gallery, he goes, hey, you
Speaker 3: seem distant. I'm like, bro, distant is when you dip
Speaker 3: out for months on end and don't check in with
Speaker 3: your girlfriend who you only broke up with because of geography.
Speaker 3: Like you were distant for months and now you show
Speaker 3: up acting as if nothing has changed, and then you
Speaker 3: you kind of check her on, not just like resuming
Speaker 3: right where you left off.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, this goes to your first point about people
Speaker 1: not being like the emphasis is being put on the
Speaker 1: wrong person exactly. Really doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And like that theme he gets there by the end,
Speaker 3: of the episode. He says like, hey, I'm sorry, I know,
Speaker 3: like he so, yeah, but there's literally it's like three
Speaker 3: different characters in this episode start with putting the emphasis
Speaker 3: on the wrong person. They eventually get to the right spot.
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's almost like they went our
Speaker 3: episodes three minutes short. Yeah, I know how we can
Speaker 3: add a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he got there, but then he didn't.
Speaker 1: And again like once he found out it was mouth,
Speaker 1: then he's punching mouth in the face, which was just
Speaker 1: so tacky. Also, I mean, listen having mouth and Miss
Speaker 1: Lauren having that intimate conversation in the photo booth that
Speaker 1: they know is being broadcast to the entire gallery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not the smartest move.
Speaker 3: No, especially after it goes off one time they look
Speaker 3: at the camera and then they continue to have the
Speaker 3: intimate moment. No one goes, oh crap a camera, let's
Speaker 3: stuck away. They're like, this seems like the right spot.
Speaker 3: Let's stand on the X directly in front of the
Speaker 3: camera broadcasting to the gallery.
Speaker 1: Oh crap a camera. I think it's like a room
Speaker 1: they had to go into. They went in there.
Speaker 3: But he so he punched his mouth, which again the
Speaker 3: sense of entitlement that he just goes away. I get it.
Speaker 3: You might feel betrayed by your friend, but if it's
Speaker 3: your best friend again, all you saw was that like
Speaker 3: a and was on an arm. There's nothing scandalous but
Speaker 3: that he immediately punches it just sort of added to
Speaker 3: the like you are not emotionally or mature like maturity
Speaker 3: wise where you need to be right now, like you
Speaker 3: need to level up and circle back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, level up and circle back.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: Because you're just name it there right now, pal, like
Speaker 3: you got to get some get some reps in, do
Speaker 3: some practice labs, and then come back. You know. The
Speaker 3: thing that was great about it, though, is that he
Speaker 3: punches mouth. He falls through the backdrop, revealing Alexander and Victoria,
Speaker 3: and she has that incredible moment where she sees everyone
Speaker 3: in the gallery looking at them and she just slowly
Speaker 3: walks out and she looks down at Mouth and she
Speaker 3: just says, scandalous. That's just scandalous. It was so so funny.
Speaker 1: Man completely leaving out Alexander in the dust, like not
Speaker 1: even a second thought, like, oh well, you're on your
Speaker 1: own kid, see.
Speaker 3: Me, as if she wasn't involved in anything that he
Speaker 3: was a part of. She just sort of saw her
Speaker 3: way out quietly and commented on the body on the floor.
Speaker 1: That's right, because Victoria knows how easy it would be
Speaker 1: to just reframe that whole situation for anyone who thought
Speaker 1: they saw her with alex and his underwear. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was just passing through from the back room and
Speaker 1: suddenly Alexander was standing there in his underwear. I don't
Speaker 1: know what was going on. It was very bizarre. All
Speaker 1: everything was very bizarre. I had to get out of there.
Speaker 3: It was so good. And then it led to, of course,
Speaker 3: the fantastic scene of Brooke yelling at her mom and
Speaker 3: Alexander the perfect role reversal of the child yelling at
Speaker 3: the parent.
Speaker 1: Really funny, the two of them sitting in a chair,
Speaker 1: so funny. It was nice to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know, comic relief is there. It
Speaker 1: was just nice to see Brook happy in this episode
Speaker 1: because she's she's also been kind of sad and depressed
Speaker 1: for the last like seven episodes, so nice to see
Speaker 1: her have a little relief for sure, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she definitely needed that release. There was a great
Speaker 3: comedic moment where I think it's after the news has broke.
Speaker 3: Paul's telling Julian were being blackmailed, and Josh keeps walking up,
Speaker 3: and first Julian tells him to shut up, and then
Speaker 3: Paul tells him to shut up. It was a really
Speaker 3: kind of a fun run there, so great. I liked
Speaker 3: that Brooke was the one who after Julian came down
Speaker 3: I think far too hard on Alex. I like that
Speaker 3: Brooke was the one who sort of softened his heart
Speaker 3: and was like, Nope, come on.
Speaker 1: Help her, help her out, help her.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 1: Another thing in the gallery, Uh, did you do you
Speaker 1: keep that photo of yourself?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Rob, It's good. You should have kept that.
Speaker 3: It is a good photo, a good photo, I think.
Speaker 3: Actually it went up in an apartment in Wilmington when
Speaker 3: I lived. Really I lived downtown my first two years,
Speaker 3: the first two seasons, and then the third year I
Speaker 3: moved out and I moved in with Stevec Stephen Chletty
Speaker 3: for all.
Speaker 1: Of you, ye also who made an appearance in this
Speaker 1: episode for like a shot, which was so bizarre.
Speaker 3: I had a note about that. I was like, why
Speaker 3: are we limiting Chase to only bar specific material?
Speaker 1: And he I think he said one line. We got
Speaker 1: a shot of his face and then moved on. Never
Speaker 1: saw him again for the rest of the entire episode
Speaker 1: and haven't seen him for a while anyway. It was
Speaker 1: just like somebody was like, oh, we need Chase. He's
Speaker 1: got storylines coming up. Somebody just get a shot of
Speaker 1: him in this episode, Like just hey, reminder audience, he exists. Okay, bye.
Speaker 3: It's and it's odd. It's as if in tree Hill
Speaker 3: there is only one bartender left. They've all fled town
Speaker 3: for the cities. This is the only guy we got.
Speaker 1: Grubs is recording an album anyway. So the photos in
Speaker 1: an apartment somewhere.
Speaker 3: It was and I don't know what happened after I
Speaker 3: left I but yeah, I had it. I had it
Speaker 3: up for a bit, which is funny. It was a
Speaker 3: good photo.
Speaker 1: It's a great photo. That's the kind of photo of
Speaker 1: somebody you see when you go it's like in their
Speaker 1: bathroom or like in a guest room somewhere in a
Speaker 1: hallway that tucked away in the corner. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to display it out for everyone, but
Speaker 1: it's nice to be able to go see if you're
Speaker 1: a house guest and you pass by it in the
Speaker 1: in the entryway or like the bathroom.
Speaker 3: I want my house guests to know, look how serious
Speaker 3: I can look. You guys look at me when I
Speaker 3: think how pensive I am. I loved but I agree
Speaker 3: with you on the chase stuff. I wish we had
Speaker 3: more of it. I like that Grubbs eventually got there
Speaker 3: and asked Miranda to marry him because I was shouting
Speaker 3: at the TV as soon as that came up, like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Dumb? Dumb, like just proposed to her.
Speaker 3: But then I've really loved seeing Nathan and Jamie have
Speaker 3: a guy's night. It was such a pure, joyful storyline
Speaker 3: in this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very sweet. I did not like the kiss element.
Speaker 1: I thought, again lazy, Like there's so many meaningful things
Speaker 1: they could have done, and I think they just were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we just need them to do something
Speaker 1: cheap in the house. But I would love for them
Speaker 1: to have gone on another camping trip or gone to
Speaker 1: do something even bowling. I don't know, something out where
Speaker 1: you could get. They got into some real shenanigans and
Speaker 1: there was an actual even a d storyline to follow
Speaker 1: of steaks. You know something happens, instigation, obstacle, you're trying
Speaker 1: to overcome it, and then they resolve it at the end.
Speaker 1: It could have been very simple, I don't know, toilet
Speaker 1: paper in somebody's house or so just something.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, if they had gone to teepee what's
Speaker 3: his name, Chuck's house, how good would that have been? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. Here's what I will say about that.
Speaker 3: I loved the kiss you did. But here's why not not.
Speaker 3: I like listen. I like to see a father and
Speaker 3: a son bonding and having fun. Great. Yeah. What I
Speaker 3: loved about it was I was watching James, my friend, Yeah,
Speaker 3: who is not a guy to put on face makeup
Speaker 3: and act like a flamboyant rock star. I was watching
Speaker 3: my buddy just going James is hating this, like he's
Speaker 3: he commits and he goes for it. But because I
Speaker 3: know the man doing it, I'm like, oh this is
Speaker 3: this is not his happy place?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, this felt like one of those I mean,
Speaker 1: there were so many things in this episode that I
Speaker 1: think were reflections of our boss and his perspective and
Speaker 1: the way that uh women are viewed, the way that
Speaker 1: relationships are viewed. All of those things, but this also
Speaker 1: felt like some sort of something behind the scenes. How
Speaker 1: do I irritate James and put him in a position
Speaker 1: where he has to do something that he is embarrassed
Speaker 1: by and hates.
Speaker 3: Well. Also, that montage felt like it was thirty two
Speaker 3: minutes long.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Yes, it's like the adding
Speaker 1: the twenty extra seconds in every scene. If they had
Speaker 1: taken those out and put them into a real storyline.
Speaker 1: Moment between Nathan and Jamie going out tepeeing Chuck's house
Speaker 1: trying not to get caught. The cops are maybe chasing them.
Speaker 1: It's like it could be small little things. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a long drawn out storyline, but we
Speaker 1: needed some energy.
Speaker 3: It would have been more fun is watching a moment
Speaker 3: of so they're playing guitar hero, I get the transition
Speaker 3: to kiss. I understand that logic. Right. Here's what would
Speaker 3: have been funny is a moment where one of them goes, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what we should do. We should put on
Speaker 3: the makeup, and they see a picture of how the
Speaker 3: guys look and then they go to do it to
Speaker 3: themselves and it just looks terrible because they're not professional
Speaker 3: makeup yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If Jamie had said that and Nathan was like, fine, yep,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. Just second up, let's do it,
Speaker 1: that would have been great, just the emphasis of seeing
Speaker 1: that moment and having it not be perfect. It would
Speaker 1: have been so fun.
Speaker 3: But the fact that that Nathan was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I actually know where all of mom's makeup is. I
Speaker 3: know exactly what to use. Yeah, because they were perfect
Speaker 3: makeup jobs. If my son was like, let's do that,
Speaker 3: I would I would have no clue what to do
Speaker 3: if Jenny weren't around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like where did they get the pure white clown makeup?
Speaker 1: Because Haley doesn't have that in her kit. This is
Speaker 1: like in the bottom of a pile of things. You
Speaker 1: know how in kids' rooms if you go into like
Speaker 1: a seven or eight year old's room in the closets somewhere,
Speaker 1: there's baskets stacked on top of each other and it's
Speaker 1: just all full ofh just whatever little things. Somebody gave
Speaker 1: Jamie a face paint kit five years ago that never
Speaker 1: got thrown out, and it's in the bottom of the
Speaker 1: corner of the closet, And that's what I wanted to
Speaker 1: see them go dig for pull it out, watch Jamie
Speaker 1: try and do his dad's makeup like it would have
Speaker 1: been so cute. That's what's happened in my mind. I'm
Speaker 1: rewriting it in my mind.
Speaker 3: In my mind, Hailey moonlights as a geisha from time
Speaker 3: to time, so she has plenty of that white clown
Speaker 3: makeup just around the house, and a kitchen drawer and
Speaker 3: a bathroom shelf. You know, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Haley, I did because, you know, last week
Speaker 3: when I had seen almost all of this episode and
Speaker 3: I had said, oh, there's not much grieving obviously, I
Speaker 3: hadn't got to the end of this episode, and watching
Speaker 3: Haley try to hold it together at the gallery opening,
Speaker 3: which makes a lot of sense, and then completely coming undone,
Speaker 3: which I liked because for a big emotional release, they
Speaker 3: really kind of pulled back all of the theatrics and
Speaker 3: that may have been a uk, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I like that it was. I love the honesty and
Speaker 3: the simplicity of you just quietly woke up in bed
Speaker 3: and snuck outside to not wake the family and then
Speaker 3: just fell apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember doing that scene. I also remember throughout
Speaker 1: the episode having to fight for Haley to to be
Speaker 1: low energy. I think Quinn was excited and pushing through
Speaker 1: and she sort of had to be on and Brooke
Speaker 1: was finally happy and at peace, and I feel like
Speaker 1: they wanted a lot more of Haley's excitement for Quinn
Speaker 1: and all of for all of Haley's interactions, I remember
Speaker 1: just feeling like I was getting asked to be happier
Speaker 1: or be just a little more energy, just more energy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just And when I first
Speaker 1: watched it, I was thinking, was I just miserable in
Speaker 1: my life? Like, oh no, this is I was making
Speaker 1: this choice because Lydia had just passed away, and it
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense for Haley to just be like
Speaker 1: moderately sad. So I'm glad. I you know, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't, I wasn't always right, But I'm glad I
Speaker 1: stuck to my guns on this one because I think
Speaker 1: it I think we needed it, but I also think
Speaker 1: it was I remember it being hard to do because
Speaker 1: if everything around me is kind of low energy, my
Speaker 1: tendency as an actor is to find a way to
Speaker 1: brighten everything up and keep the energy up, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like carry the scene like, oh no, everything
Speaker 1: is getting so slow. So it was such a good
Speaker 1: challenge to try and settle into and be comfortable with
Speaker 1: just being there and not having much reaction to anything.
Speaker 1: And it paid off in the end, in the end
Speaker 1: of the episode, and I forgot how dark this goes
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this keeps going for her for a while.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you found a really nice place for
Speaker 3: it to settle because the gallery, it makes sense. You
Speaker 3: do need to have some energy for that. It's a
Speaker 3: big night for your sister. Yeah, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: like it was a family dinner night where it's just
Speaker 3: kind of you know, standard fair. It's like you do
Speaker 3: sort of need to turn it on, you know, just
Speaker 3: to sort of cheerlead your sibling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: But then so I bought all of that. And then,
Speaker 3: like I said, just when you actually have a private
Speaker 3: moment kind of the first time, because.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the worst when you're just in absolute pain
Speaker 1: and misery and you have to show up somewhere and
Speaker 1: pretend like everything's fine, because what what are you going
Speaker 1: to do? Like somebody's you can't have any real meaningful
Speaker 1: conversations if somebody who knows you really well, gets too close,
Speaker 1: looks you too long in the eye, puts their hand
Speaker 1: on you in a way that's comforting. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: going to fall apart. I need nobody to touch me.
Speaker 1: I need nobody to look at me. I can talk
Speaker 1: to you about the weather and the news maybe, but
Speaker 1: like I can't, I just cannot have anything meaningful going
Speaker 1: on because I'm going to fall apart. It's the worst.
Speaker 3: So when, because I think you just describe being an
Speaker 3: actor as well, when you are having stuff go on
Speaker 3: in your life, do you find it harder to come
Speaker 3: to work and do your job or do you find
Speaker 3: it easier because you were able to sort of dissociate
Speaker 3: and just escape to someone else.
Speaker 1: I find it a lot harder to come to work,
Speaker 1: and especially if I have to do comedy or I
Speaker 1: even just be fine, be just normal. It takes so
Speaker 1: much energy to lift up from feeling heavy, to lift
Speaker 1: up just to a normal level of energy for me.
Speaker 1: So if I have to do stuff that's really especially
Speaker 1: really funny, and then I feel bad because I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not being authentic, I'm not doing a good
Speaker 1: job because it feels fake, and which makes me feel
Speaker 1: worse about my real life and it's a bad cycle.
Speaker 1: That that's it. It's tough for me. What do you?
Speaker 1: How do you? How about you? How does it feel
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: It's kind of similar for me. I the thing you
Speaker 3: were just describing. I find gets me where. It's because
Speaker 3: I really try to be authentic and my life and
Speaker 3: sort of honor my feelings and where I'm at, And
Speaker 3: because what I used to do was always sort of
Speaker 3: have a facade of like, I'm good, how are you?
Speaker 3: Just the like infinite consonant people pleaser, I'm okay. I
Speaker 3: need you to be okay. And so I do find
Speaker 3: I have had moments where I'm doing light fare comedy,
Speaker 3: rom com type stuff, and as soon as they call cut,
Speaker 3: I feel my face drop and and I if I'm
Speaker 3: not careful, I can find myself resenting the work because
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is me. I'm sad, you know, because
Speaker 3: I just I feel how false it is. I feel
Speaker 3: it feels so fake to me, you know. But if
Speaker 3: on the same handle, there's a coin if I'm doing drama,
Speaker 3: it kind of is a shortcut to drop into.
Speaker 1: Where I Yes, definitely, I had.
Speaker 3: A director one time say bring your set, and he
Speaker 3: was right because it was like if I was going
Speaker 3: through something and I had to play you know, heaviness,
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, I'm we're grounded.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I here, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: When it's comedy or light, feel good stuff, it's just
Speaker 3: extra tiring. You become aware of how tiring it is
Speaker 3: to fake energy when you just don't have it.
Speaker 1: I would say it's one of the benefits, however, being
Speaker 1: on a show with cast members that you feel safe
Speaker 1: with and have known for a really long time, versus
Speaker 1: showing up to do a guest spot or you know,
Speaker 1: if you're on a movie and it's like we one
Speaker 1: or something. There's something that is I have done this
Speaker 1: where I've shown up to set feeling not great and
Speaker 1: just let myself have a moment, have a cry, have
Speaker 1: like just trusting that the other artists around me understand
Speaker 1: that we're not robots and sometimes you're having a hard
Speaker 1: day and you just need to let it out, and
Speaker 1: the sheer moment of releasing it out of my body
Speaker 1: will and being witnessed by other people who say it's okay,
Speaker 1: take a moment. Life is hard sometimes, and then getting
Speaker 1: myself put back together and showing up, walking back onto
Speaker 1: set and doing the scene does make it a lot
Speaker 1: easier for me. If I can allow myself to just
Speaker 1: be a human and release. If I have to take
Speaker 1: five minutes, everybody's going to have to wait for five
Speaker 1: minutes while I cry and get it out of my
Speaker 1: body and then step back in. That does really help.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like I can do that very often.
Speaker 1: I think I have to feel really safe in the environment.
Speaker 1: But working on our showed, you know, we had such
Speaker 1: a great group of people, so that was something we
Speaker 1: could do. I hope that made sense, and I mean
Speaker 1: to talk in a circle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it does make sense. And I think also
Speaker 3: I do like work is helpful for me when I'm
Speaker 3: going through something. I mean, listen, if I like lost
Speaker 3: the loved one and I'm grieving, it's different because that's
Speaker 3: just grief and that's living in my body. But if
Speaker 3: it's you know, oftentimes eighty five percent of my struggles
Speaker 3: are created in my head. Eighty five percent of them
Speaker 3: probably will never ever happen, you know, So a lot
Speaker 3: of times my struggles are of my own making, and
Speaker 3: going to work and forcing my mind to focus on
Speaker 3: other things can help pull me out of that loop
Speaker 3: I'm in, because I know, once my head gets stuck
Speaker 3: on something, my mind can just sort of loop and
Speaker 3: loop and loop and ruminate on it and going to
Speaker 3: work and forcing myself to say different words, to listen
Speaker 3: to people, to be present. It's sort of like it
Speaker 3: gives me enough space from it to go like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that it took some of the air out of the balloon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what felt so big before has now become kind of
Speaker 3: right sized and it's more manageable. Yeah, versus like you know,
Speaker 3: when you lay in your back when you're like I
Speaker 3: used to do this all the time my twenties, when
Speaker 3: I'd wake up with anxiety or something and I didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do besides just lay in my bed.
Speaker 3: And of course that is the for at least for me,
Speaker 3: that is the worst possible thing I can do.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm the same. I mean I many years of
Speaker 1: my life. I've really only recently, in the last I
Speaker 1: think a year or two, learned how to get myself
Speaker 1: up out of bed because I would wake up and
Speaker 1: immediately feel depressed, like open my eyes and feel all
Speaker 1: the pressure of the day, all the things that I
Speaker 1: didn't and then it's like, friends, I forgot to say
Speaker 1: happy birthday to a month ago, and it's like every
Speaker 1: little possible thing that's in your brain about how what
Speaker 1: an I am? Why everybody hates me, why my life
Speaker 1: is a mess, and lela la, all of the horrible
Speaker 1: things that lead you completely out of gratitude and into
Speaker 1: feeling worse and worse and worse about yourself. And that's
Speaker 1: what was like the replay, like the record on my
Speaker 1: brain every morning when I open my eyes, and it
Speaker 1: is so exhausting, and the worst thing that I would
Speaker 1: do is lay in bed because I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: felt paralyzed by it and I hadn't didn't have any tools. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I tell you, like stepping foot out of bed,
Speaker 1: getting my body upright, drinking a glass of water, taking
Speaker 1: a shower, like wat just getting water on your body,
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, even babies react to it
Speaker 1: if they're throwing a fit. You put a kid in
Speaker 1: a bath and they're like, okay, something's different, you know,
Speaker 1: step outside, just something to change it up in your
Speaker 1: brain makes all the difference.
Speaker 3: Yes, completely, you know, it's esteemable. Actions build esteam. And
Speaker 3: so what I started doing when I was starting to
Speaker 3: develop my toolkit, was I would I'm a I'm a
Speaker 3: to do list guy, clearly like I love structure, I
Speaker 3: love I love a list, and so I would pad
Speaker 3: my to do list, and my first three things would
Speaker 3: be make bed, brush teeth, take a shower, usually get dressed.
Speaker 3: So by the time I was starting my day, I
Speaker 3: had a sense of accomplishment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've checked some things off.
Speaker 3: I've taken off like a core of this list, you know.
Speaker 3: But it's funny that Clay had the line I would say,
Speaker 3: The line most people talk to me about is I
Speaker 3: think it's no matter how fast you run, the pain
Speaker 3: will run faster. It's something to that. I know. I'm
Speaker 3: not getting it word for word everybody, but you know
Speaker 3: the gist of it. It's something I think Clay's already
Speaker 3: said by this point, I believe because he's talking about
Speaker 3: grief and how he he knows from experience, because he
Speaker 3: tried to outrun it and just escape it. And what's
Speaker 3: interesting is I'm only now realizing that I should have
Speaker 3: taken my own advice sooner, like Rob, because this was
Speaker 3: a time my life where I was just struggling and
Speaker 3: I had no toolkit. So I remember as we were
Speaker 3: talking about laying in bed, I used to I can
Speaker 3: still picture the room, so clearly I would have to
Speaker 3: as soon as I got home from work, I would
Speaker 3: have to put a DVD of one of my favorite
Speaker 3: shows on. It would stay on through falling asleep, and
Speaker 3: as soon as I woke up if it had gone
Speaker 3: to the menu screen, I immediately started it back up
Speaker 3: because I couldn't just be alone with my thoughts like
Speaker 3: going to sleep and waking up were the two scariest
Speaker 3: parts of the day for me. Wow, So I had
Speaker 3: to have white noise. It felt familiar, It felt like
Speaker 3: it was almost like friends in the house, because my
Speaker 3: only solution would have been I'm just going to pull
Speaker 3: the covers over my face, which, of course, like all
Speaker 3: it does is kill time, but it would make life
Speaker 3: just infinitely scarier and harder.
Speaker 1: So that's a good coping mechanism for a season, just
Speaker 1: to start, you know, get you out of your own brain.
Speaker 1: You if and when thoughts are overwhelming, and then what
Speaker 1: do you do moving on from that? Like what's the
Speaker 1: next level up from that?
Speaker 3: Well? I mean at best that having TV on the
Speaker 3: background as a band aid, like it's not shooting anything
Speaker 3: at all. I mean for me, what I just discovered
Speaker 3: for myself was like I do best in motion, So
Speaker 3: it's I just got to get out of bed and
Speaker 3: start doing things. And because otherwise just you know, like
Speaker 3: my my brain can be a very dangerous neighborhood to
Speaker 3: be hanging out in by myself. So like when I
Speaker 3: wake up and my brain has suited up for the
Speaker 3: opposing team, I'm like, oh, okay, I got to call
Speaker 3: some people, Like I got to get busy, you know,
Speaker 3: before my head gets busy on me. And I just
Speaker 3: didn't know better back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you'd coped the best way you knew how
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, there's this element of level
Speaker 1: to level, you know, good glory to glory whatever however
Speaker 1: you want to phrase it. But the idea that like
Speaker 1: you're figuring it out and the band aid that you
Speaker 1: had at that moment was that was what you had.
Speaker 1: And so then there's another level after you decide that
Speaker 1: this is just a band aid, how do we actually
Speaker 1: take the band aid off and start healing the wound.
Speaker 3: Also, I think that didn't help at the time, was
Speaker 3: again this was pre therapy, so I kind of felt
Speaker 3: like I always needed to present the version of Rob
Speaker 3: that had the fewest needs and took up the least
Speaker 3: amount of space. Yea, and which in my head was
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be easy and fun and here
Speaker 3: for you, but I don't need anything from you, which
Speaker 3: also meant I'm not going to tell you when I'm
Speaker 3: struggling or scared or hurting because I don't want to
Speaker 3: be in position. So I wasn't saying like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: does anyone else have a solution to this? Because, like
Speaker 3: you know, now where I'm at, it's like, if I'm
Speaker 3: struggling with something, I'll reach out to someone close to
Speaker 3: me and either just to bring them in on it,
Speaker 3: you know, because a burden shared is halved, a joy
Speaker 3: shared is doubled. It's like, I'm a big believer in that.
Speaker 3: But also because they may have a solution, they may go,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I went through that and here's what I
Speaker 3: did that helped me. But back then it was like,
Speaker 3: how you doing, Rob, great man, how are you?
Speaker 1: Even if they don't have a solution, just being heard
Speaker 1: being seen having somebody like listen say, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that's like, but I can imagine based on what
Speaker 1: you're explaining to me, and I'll be thinking about you.
Speaker 1: What do you need? You want to come over? You
Speaker 1: want to watch a show together on FaceTime? You want
Speaker 1: me to door to ash you something, You want to
Speaker 1: do a crossword puzzle together. I don't know. Just having
Speaker 1: somebody hold space for you, even if they don't have advice,
Speaker 1: can change everything.
Speaker 3: A little good old fashioned connection, you know, it's always
Speaker 3: the secret sauce. It's just other people. If you're just
Speaker 3: joining us, Welcome back to Joy and Rob's therapy Corner. Today,
Speaker 3: we're talking about growth, where we've been, how we got
Speaker 3: to where we are today.
Speaker 1: Well, Clay certainly could take some of all of this advice,
Speaker 1: some of all.
Speaker 3: Of this some of all isn't that funny? It's like
Speaker 3: when people go, I maybe definitely can be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah that may be definitely could I definitely maybe could
Speaker 1: be there, definitely.
Speaker 3: Maybe you definitely maybe could use a grammar class.
Speaker 1: Wait, do you follow this guy? I just started following
Speaker 1: this guy on we have a listener question We'll get
Speaker 1: to in a second. I followed this guy I have
Speaker 1: to find it and he talks about Southern isms and
Speaker 1: he's talking about like now when you when somebody's trying
Speaker 1: to get off the phone with you in the South.
Speaker 1: Here are the cues that you need to listen to. Now,
Speaker 1: there's one way to say it, which is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go. But the real kind way to say
Speaker 1: it and what you want to do. You want to
Speaker 1: win this, So the real important thing is for you
Speaker 1: to say, I'm gonna let you I'm gonna, i'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you let me go. Shoot, I'm gonna I'm butchering it. Oh,
Speaker 1: let me let you go. It's not just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go. It's all right, well, let me let
Speaker 1: you go, because then you win. You're the most considerate.
Speaker 3: The page asks if you could pick your TV siblings
Speaker 3: from any other show, who would it be. Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean I always go back to the Huxtables. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite TV family ever. But I think Who's the
Speaker 1: Boss comes in at a close second. I feel like
Speaker 1: I would have had a lot of fun with Sam.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean, Alissa Milano, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what the character's last name is. What about you?
Speaker 3: I am going to go arrested development.
Speaker 1: You would have such a field day with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think there would never be a dull moment.
Speaker 3: Holidays would be exceptionally disastrous and entertaining all day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: take them all.
Speaker 1: Okay, this guy is landon Bryant and you will you
Speaker 1: will thank me later. He's really funny Landon Bryant.
Speaker 3: Land and Bryant.
Speaker 1: Okay, honorable mention. Hm, I mean Paul Teal is always
Speaker 1: going to get my honorable mention from now on every
Speaker 1: episode he's in. I love him and I miss him already.
Speaker 3: Also, is Josh behind the Oh? He is? I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, I remember watching the episode at the start,
Speaker 3: going is he behind it? And I think we realize
Speaker 3: after he leaves jan As hotel or sees me Alex's
Speaker 3: hotel room met he is? So I can't wait to
Speaker 3: see what he's cooking up. But yes, honorable mention all day.
Speaker 3: Paul Teal? Yeah, what a guy, What a loss? Much
Speaker 3: love to to uh to Paul into his loved ones
Speaker 3: this difficult season. Well, what do we have next episode?
Speaker 3: Oh no, we have a wheel first, Ultra horses. Roberto
Speaker 3: most likely to get a residency in Vegas. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say both Haley and Joy.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could do that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't love Vegas. But that does seem like something that
Speaker 1: would be fun for like a year. Maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: do like glitter and heat.
Speaker 3: I just love the idea of you've moved to Vegas.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what drew you to Vegas?
Speaker 4: Joy?
Speaker 3: And you're like, honestly, I just love glitter. That would
Speaker 3: be the most joy answer ever. I would be so tickled.
Speaker 1: I love glitter. Next episode, Season seven, episode twenty, Learning
Speaker 1: to Fall. Thank you so much for joining us, and
Speaker 1: we look forward to seeing you next week.
Speaker 3: And can I just say, can you just do all
Speaker 3: of your segues? Can all of them start with I
Speaker 3: love glitter?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: From this it would be the most hilarious runner. People
Speaker 3: tune in three episodes are like, why does she keep
Speaker 3: talking about how much she loves glitter?
Speaker 1: On topic I'm pushing for my Vegas residency.
Speaker 3: You're like, I love glitter. It was so sad to
Speaker 3: see Victoria die in this episode.
Speaker 1: One's like, what, I'm on it and I'm putting it
Speaker 1: in the arsenal.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks for joining us, everybody, Bye, Hey, thanks
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