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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them high school queens. We'll take you for

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Speaker 1: Girl Fashion, which you'll tough. Girl, you could sit with us,

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Quise Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens

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Speaker 3: By the way, I've started taking notes joy On on

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Speaker 3: watch episodes like, well, I'm putting my son down, and

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Speaker 3: Huh. So you're just the futuristic version of a pen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but having notes all written out on your phone,

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Speaker 1: can you type? Like is that easy to do while

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Speaker 3: No, I just you have to pause the episode for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, it makes sense, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's nice because I can kind of two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hi, everybody, welcome to the middle of our conversation.

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Speaker 1: We're just talking about technology fixing my computer, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about taking notes on this weird episode. Rob, what's

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Speaker 3: I'd love to? Season seven, episode nineteen, Every Picture Tells

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Speaker 3: a Story. Air date was April twenty six, twoenty ten.

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Speaker 3: It's the night of Quinn's big gallery opening and an

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Speaker 3: uninvited guest Ambush is Clay Oh. Nathan spends the day

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Speaker 3: you came in with an interesting energy towards this episode,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, give her her own thing, no leftovers, no leftovers,

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Speaker 3: Why did the kids cry when we go to Applebee's hunting?

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Speaker 4: No, we need new things, new things, all right.

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Speaker 1: So Clay is kerfuffled by Katie coming in handles it

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Speaker 1: It's like hiring a Jeremy Piven or Evince Vaughn type

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing I started. I kind of mentioned last

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Speaker 3: in a really long time, So he's not keeping in

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00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: touch with her, he's not keeping an open line of communication.

434
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: And then and then the whole while Miss Lauren and

435
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 3: Mouth are finding like friendship in each other. It starts

436
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: off very innocently. It's like it starts off the way

437
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: it should, like, with a good foundation of friendship, and

438
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: then it kind of starts to evolve into more and

439
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: then skill, and like they think about it, they're like,

440
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't want to be your rebound. I don't want

441
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: to be your rebound. And then even after they've done

442
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: their due diligence and they've weighed all the kind of

443
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: the things at play, and they go like, let's give

444
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: us a try. Of course, at that very moment, Skills

445
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 3: walks in. And then here's my other issue. There is

446
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: just this strong entitlement of on Skills is part on

447
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: the writing part, because I don't want to say ownership.

448
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: That's too extreme. But like he does, he shows up

449
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: and in the gallery, he walks up because Louren and

450
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: Mouth are talking, and he walks up and he puts

451
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: his arm around her waist and he says, hey, do

452
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: you mind if I steal my girl away for a second?

453
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: And I just thought to myself, that's wild that you

454
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: would leave for months, not weeks, months presumably not talk

455
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: at all, and then you would walk up, put your

456
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: arm around her and call her your girl.

457
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: And he even said that when he walked in the

458
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: door right after they had kissed. Hey baby, yes, so

459
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

460
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: Like to me, what I don't like about it is

461
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: it's it kind of smacks of someone who is really

462
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: just like focused on themselves. It's sort of like I left,

463
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm assuming everything else frozen time, and now that I'm back,

464
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up right where I left off

465
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: because I'm the main character. And then he says he

466
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: has the audacity to say to her after he like

467
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: pulls her outside of the gallery, he goes, hey, you

468
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: seem distant. I'm like, bro, distant is when you dip

469
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: out for months on end and don't check in with

470
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: your girlfriend who you only broke up with because of geography.

471
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: Like you were distant for months and now you show

472
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: up acting as if nothing has changed, and then you

473
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: you kind of check her on, not just like resuming

474
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: right where you left off.

475
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: What Yeah, this goes to your first point about people

476
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: not being like the emphasis is being put on the

477
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: wrong person exactly. Really doesn't make sense.

478
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: And like that theme he gets there by the end,

479
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: of the episode. He says like, hey, I'm sorry, I know,

480
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: like he so, yeah, but there's literally it's like three

481
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: different characters in this episode start with putting the emphasis

482
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: on the wrong person. They eventually get to the right spot.

483
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's almost like they went our

484
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: episodes three minutes short. Yeah, I know how we can

485
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: add a little bit.

486
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he got there, but then he didn't.

487
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: And again like once he found out it was mouth,

488
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: then he's punching mouth in the face, which was just

489
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: so tacky. Also, I mean, listen having mouth and Miss

490
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Lauren having that intimate conversation in the photo booth that

491
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: they know is being broadcast to the entire gallery. Yeah,

492
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: not the smartest move.

493
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: No, especially after it goes off one time they look

494
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: at the camera and then they continue to have the

495
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: intimate moment. No one goes, oh crap a camera, let's

496
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: stuck away. They're like, this seems like the right spot.

497
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: Let's stand on the X directly in front of the

498
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: camera broadcasting to the gallery.

499
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh crap a camera. I think it's like a room

500
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: they had to go into. They went in there.

501
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: But he so he punched his mouth, which again the

502
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: sense of entitlement that he just goes away. I get it.

503
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: You might feel betrayed by your friend, but if it's

504
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: your best friend again, all you saw was that like

505
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: a and was on an arm. There's nothing scandalous but

506
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: that he immediately punches it just sort of added to

507
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: the like you are not emotionally or mature like maturity

508
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: wise where you need to be right now, like you

509
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: need to level up and circle back.

510
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, level up and circle back.

511
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: I love that.

512
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Because you're just name it there right now, pal, like

513
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: you got to get some get some reps in, do

514
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: some practice labs, and then come back. You know. The

515
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: thing that was great about it, though, is that he

516
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: punches mouth. He falls through the backdrop, revealing Alexander and Victoria,

517
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: and she has that incredible moment where she sees everyone

518
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: in the gallery looking at them and she just slowly

519
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: walks out and she looks down at Mouth and she

520
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: just says, scandalous. That's just scandalous. It was so so funny.

521
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: Man completely leaving out Alexander in the dust, like not

522
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: even a second thought, like, oh well, you're on your

523
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: own kid, see.

524
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 3: Me, as if she wasn't involved in anything that he

525
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: was a part of. She just sort of saw her

526
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: way out quietly and commented on the body on the floor.

527
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: That's right, because Victoria knows how easy it would be

528
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: to just reframe that whole situation for anyone who thought

529
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: they saw her with alex and his underwear. She's like, oh,

530
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: I was just passing through from the back room and

531
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: suddenly Alexander was standing there in his underwear. I don't

532
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: know what was going on. It was very bizarre. All

533
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: everything was very bizarre. I had to get out of there.

534
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: It was so good. And then it led to, of course,

535
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: the fantastic scene of Brooke yelling at her mom and

536
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: Alexander the perfect role reversal of the child yelling at

537
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: the parent.

538
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: Really funny, the two of them sitting in a chair,

539
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: so funny. It was nice to have a little bit

540
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know, comic relief is there. It

541
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: was just nice to see Brook happy in this episode

542
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: because she's she's also been kind of sad and depressed

543
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: for the last like seven episodes, so nice to see

544
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: her have a little relief for sure, And.

545
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she definitely needed that release. There was a great

546
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: comedic moment where I think it's after the news has broke.

547
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: Paul's telling Julian were being blackmailed, and Josh keeps walking up,

548
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: and first Julian tells him to shut up, and then

549
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: Paul tells him to shut up. It was a really

550
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: kind of a fun run there, so great. I liked

551
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: that Brooke was the one who after Julian came down

552
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: I think far too hard on Alex. I like that

553
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: Brooke was the one who sort of softened his heart

554
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: and was like, Nope, come on.

555
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: Help her, help her out, help her.

556
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: That was great.

557
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: Another thing in the gallery, Uh, did you do you

558
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: keep that photo of yourself?

559
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: No?

560
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Rob, It's good. You should have kept that.

561
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: It is a good photo, a good photo, I think.

562
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Actually it went up in an apartment in Wilmington when

563
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: I lived. Really I lived downtown my first two years,

564
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: the first two seasons, and then the third year I

565
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: moved out and I moved in with Stevec Stephen Chletty

566
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: for all.

567
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Of you, ye also who made an appearance in this

568
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: episode for like a shot, which was so bizarre.

569
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: I had a note about that. I was like, why

570
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: are we limiting Chase to only bar specific material?

571
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: And he I think he said one line. We got

572
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: a shot of his face and then moved on. Never

573
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: saw him again for the rest of the entire episode

574
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: and haven't seen him for a while anyway. It was

575
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: just like somebody was like, oh, we need Chase. He's

576
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: got storylines coming up. Somebody just get a shot of

577
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: him in this episode, Like just hey, reminder audience, he exists. Okay, bye.

578
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: It's and it's odd. It's as if in tree Hill

579
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: there is only one bartender left. They've all fled town

580
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: for the cities. This is the only guy we got.

581
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Grubs is recording an album anyway. So the photos in

582
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: an apartment somewhere.

583
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: It was and I don't know what happened after I

584
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: left I but yeah, I had it. I had it

585
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: up for a bit, which is funny. It was a

586
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: good photo.

587
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: It's a great photo. That's the kind of photo of

588
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: somebody you see when you go it's like in their

589
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: bathroom or like in a guest room somewhere in a

590
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: hallway that tucked away in the corner. You know, it's like,

591
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to display it out for everyone, but

592
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: it's nice to be able to go see if you're

593
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a house guest and you pass by it in the

594
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: in the entryway or like the bathroom.

595
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: I want my house guests to know, look how serious

596
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: I can look. You guys look at me when I

597
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: think how pensive I am. I loved but I agree

598
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: with you on the chase stuff. I wish we had

599
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: more of it. I like that Grubbs eventually got there

600
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: and asked Miranda to marry him because I was shouting

601
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: at the TV as soon as that came up, like,

602
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Dumb? Dumb, like just proposed to her.

603
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: But then I've really loved seeing Nathan and Jamie have

604
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 3: a guy's night. It was such a pure, joyful storyline

605
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: in this episode.

606
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very sweet. I did not like the kiss element.

607
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I thought, again lazy, Like there's so many meaningful things

608
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: they could have done, and I think they just were like,

609
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, we just need them to do something

610
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: cheap in the house. But I would love for them

611
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: to have gone on another camping trip or gone to

612
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: do something even bowling. I don't know, something out where

613
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: you could get. They got into some real shenanigans and

614
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: there was an actual even a d storyline to follow

615
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: of steaks. You know something happens, instigation, obstacle, you're trying

616
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: to overcome it, and then they resolve it at the end.

617
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: It could have been very simple, I don't know, toilet

618
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: paper in somebody's house or so just something.

619
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, if they had gone to teepee what's

620
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: his name, Chuck's house, how good would that have been? Yes, yeah,

621
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: I agree with you. Here's what I will say about that.

622
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: I loved the kiss you did. But here's why not not.

623
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: I like listen. I like to see a father and

624
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: a son bonding and having fun. Great. Yeah. What I

625
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: loved about it was I was watching James, my friend, Yeah,

626
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: who is not a guy to put on face makeup

627
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: and act like a flamboyant rock star. I was watching

628
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: my buddy just going James is hating this, like he's

629
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: he commits and he goes for it. But because I

630
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: know the man doing it, I'm like, oh this is

631
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: this is not his happy place?

632
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, this felt like one of those I mean,

633
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: there were so many things in this episode that I

634
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: think were reflections of our boss and his perspective and

635
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: the way that uh women are viewed, the way that

636
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: relationships are viewed. All of those things, but this also

637
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: felt like some sort of something behind the scenes. How

638
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: do I irritate James and put him in a position

639
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: where he has to do something that he is embarrassed

640
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: by and hates.

641
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Well. Also, that montage felt like it was thirty two

642
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: minutes long.

643
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Yes, it's like the adding

644
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: the twenty extra seconds in every scene. If they had

645
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: taken those out and put them into a real storyline.

646
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Moment between Nathan and Jamie going out tepeeing Chuck's house

647
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: trying not to get caught. The cops are maybe chasing them.

648
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like it could be small little things. It doesn't

649
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: have to be a long drawn out storyline, but we

650
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: needed some energy.

651
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: It would have been more fun is watching a moment

652
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: of so they're playing guitar hero, I get the transition

653
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: to kiss. I understand that logic. Right. Here's what would

654
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: have been funny is a moment where one of them goes, hey,

655
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: you know what we should do. We should put on

656
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: the makeup, and they see a picture of how the

657
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: guys look and then they go to do it to

658
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: themselves and it just looks terrible because they're not professional

659
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: makeup yes. Yeah.

660
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: If Jamie had said that and Nathan was like, fine, yep,

661
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. Just second up, let's do it,

662
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: that would have been great, just the emphasis of seeing

663
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: that moment and having it not be perfect. It would

664
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: have been so fun.

665
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: But the fact that that Nathan was like, you know what,

666
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: I actually know where all of mom's makeup is. I

667
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: know exactly what to use. Yeah, because they were perfect

668
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: makeup jobs. If my son was like, let's do that,

669
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: I would I would have no clue what to do

670
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: if Jenny weren't around.

671
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like where did they get the pure white clown makeup?

672
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: Because Haley doesn't have that in her kit. This is

673
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: like in the bottom of a pile of things. You

674
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: know how in kids' rooms if you go into like

675
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: a seven or eight year old's room in the closets somewhere,

676
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: there's baskets stacked on top of each other and it's

677
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: just all full ofh just whatever little things. Somebody gave

678
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Jamie a face paint kit five years ago that never

679
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: got thrown out, and it's in the bottom of the

680
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: corner of the closet, And that's what I wanted to

681
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: see them go dig for pull it out, watch Jamie

682
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: try and do his dad's makeup like it would have

683
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: been so cute. That's what's happened in my mind. I'm

684
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: rewriting it in my mind.

685
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: In my mind, Hailey moonlights as a geisha from time

686
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: to time, so she has plenty of that white clown

687
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: makeup just around the house, and a kitchen drawer and

688
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: a bathroom shelf. You know, it's everywhere.

689
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Love it.

690
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: Speaking of Haley, I did because, you know, last week

691
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: when I had seen almost all of this episode and

692
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: I had said, oh, there's not much grieving obviously, I

693
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: hadn't got to the end of this episode, and watching

694
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Haley try to hold it together at the gallery opening,

695
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: which makes a lot of sense, and then completely coming undone,

696
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: which I liked because for a big emotional release, they

697
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: really kind of pulled back all of the theatrics and

698
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: that may have been a uk, I don't know, but

699
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: I like that it was. I love the honesty and

700
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: the simplicity of you just quietly woke up in bed

701
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: and snuck outside to not wake the family and then

702
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: just fell apart.

703
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember doing that scene. I also remember throughout

704
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: the episode having to fight for Haley to to be

705
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: low energy. I think Quinn was excited and pushing through

706
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: and she sort of had to be on and Brooke

707
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: was finally happy and at peace, and I feel like

708
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: they wanted a lot more of Haley's excitement for Quinn

709
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: and all of for all of Haley's interactions, I remember

710
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: just feeling like I was getting asked to be happier

711
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: or be just a little more energy, just more energy,

712
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just And when I first

713
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: watched it, I was thinking, was I just miserable in

714
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: my life? Like, oh no, this is I was making

715
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: this choice because Lydia had just passed away, and it

716
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense for Haley to just be like

717
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: moderately sad. So I'm glad. I you know, I wasn't.

718
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: I didn't, I wasn't always right, But I'm glad I

719
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: stuck to my guns on this one because I think

720
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: it I think we needed it, but I also think

721
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: it was I remember it being hard to do because

722
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: if everything around me is kind of low energy, my

723
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: tendency as an actor is to find a way to

724
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: brighten everything up and keep the energy up, because I'm

725
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: trying to like carry the scene like, oh no, everything

726
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: is getting so slow. So it was such a good

727
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: challenge to try and settle into and be comfortable with

728
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: just being there and not having much reaction to anything.

729
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: And it paid off in the end, in the end

730
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: of the episode, and I forgot how dark this goes

731
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: for her.

732
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember.

733
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, this keeps going for her for a while.

734
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: Well, I think you found a really nice place for

735
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: it to settle because the gallery, it makes sense. You

736
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: do need to have some energy for that. It's a

737
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: big night for your sister. Yeah, you know, it's not

738
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: like it was a family dinner night where it's just

739
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: kind of you know, standard fair. It's like you do

740
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: sort of need to turn it on, you know, just

741
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: to sort of cheerlead your sibling.

742
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

743
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: But then so I bought all of that. And then,

744
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: like I said, just when you actually have a private

745
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: moment kind of the first time, because.

746
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: Isn't that the worst when you're just in absolute pain

747
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: and misery and you have to show up somewhere and

748
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: pretend like everything's fine, because what what are you going

749
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: to do? Like somebody's you can't have any real meaningful

750
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: conversations if somebody who knows you really well, gets too close,

751
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: looks you too long in the eye, puts their hand

752
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: on you in a way that's comforting. It's like I'm

753
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: going to fall apart. I need nobody to touch me.

754
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: I need nobody to look at me. I can talk

755
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: to you about the weather and the news maybe, but

756
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: like I can't, I just cannot have anything meaningful going

757
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: on because I'm going to fall apart. It's the worst.

758
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: So when, because I think you just describe being an

759
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: actor as well, when you are having stuff go on

760
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: in your life, do you find it harder to come

761
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: to work and do your job or do you find

762
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: it easier because you were able to sort of dissociate

763
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: and just escape to someone else.

764
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: I find it a lot harder to come to work,

765
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: and especially if I have to do comedy or I

766
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: even just be fine, be just normal. It takes so

767
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: much energy to lift up from feeling heavy, to lift

768
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: up just to a normal level of energy for me.

769
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: So if I have to do stuff that's really especially

770
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: really funny, and then I feel bad because I feel

771
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: like I'm not being authentic, I'm not doing a good

772
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: job because it feels fake, and which makes me feel

773
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: worse about my real life and it's a bad cycle.

774
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: That that's it. It's tough for me. What do you?

775
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: How do you? How about you? How does it feel

776
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: for you?

777
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of similar for me. I the thing you

778
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: were just describing. I find gets me where. It's because

779
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: I really try to be authentic and my life and

780
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: sort of honor my feelings and where I'm at, And

781
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: because what I used to do was always sort of

782
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: have a facade of like, I'm good, how are you?

783
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: Just the like infinite consonant people pleaser, I'm okay. I

784
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: need you to be okay. And so I do find

785
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: I have had moments where I'm doing light fare comedy,

786
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: rom com type stuff, and as soon as they call cut,

787
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: I feel my face drop and and I if I'm

788
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: not careful, I can find myself resenting the work because

789
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is me. I'm sad, you know, because

790
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: I just I feel how false it is. I feel

791
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: it feels so fake to me, you know. But if

792
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: on the same handle, there's a coin if I'm doing drama,

793
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: it kind of is a shortcut to drop into.

794
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Where I Yes, definitely, I had.

795
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: A director one time say bring your set, and he

796
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: was right because it was like if I was going

797
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: through something and I had to play you know, heaviness,

798
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, I'm we're grounded.

799
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I here, Yeah, I'm with you.

800
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: When it's comedy or light, feel good stuff, it's just

801
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: extra tiring. You become aware of how tiring it is

802
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: to fake energy when you just don't have it.

803
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: I would say it's one of the benefits, however, being

804
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: on a show with cast members that you feel safe

805
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: with and have known for a really long time, versus

806
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: showing up to do a guest spot or you know,

807
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: if you're on a movie and it's like we one

808
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: or something. There's something that is I have done this

809
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: where I've shown up to set feeling not great and

810
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: just let myself have a moment, have a cry, have

811
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: like just trusting that the other artists around me understand

812
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: that we're not robots and sometimes you're having a hard

813
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: day and you just need to let it out, and

814
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: the sheer moment of releasing it out of my body

815
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: will and being witnessed by other people who say it's okay,

816
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: take a moment. Life is hard sometimes, and then getting

817
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: myself put back together and showing up, walking back onto

818
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: set and doing the scene does make it a lot

819
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: easier for me. If I can allow myself to just

820
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: be a human and release. If I have to take

821
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: five minutes, everybody's going to have to wait for five

822
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: minutes while I cry and get it out of my

823
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: body and then step back in. That does really help.

824
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like I can do that very often.

825
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: I think I have to feel really safe in the environment.

826
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: But working on our showed, you know, we had such

827
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: a great group of people, so that was something we

828
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: could do. I hope that made sense, and I mean

829
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: to talk in a circle.

830
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it does make sense. And I think also

831
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: I do like work is helpful for me when I'm

832
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: going through something. I mean, listen, if I like lost

833
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: the loved one and I'm grieving, it's different because that's

834
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: just grief and that's living in my body. But if

835
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: it's you know, oftentimes eighty five percent of my struggles

836
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: are created in my head. Eighty five percent of them

837
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: probably will never ever happen, you know, So a lot

838
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: of times my struggles are of my own making, and

839
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: going to work and forcing my mind to focus on

840
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: other things can help pull me out of that loop

841
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm in, because I know, once my head gets stuck

842
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: on something, my mind can just sort of loop and

843
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: loop and loop and ruminate on it and going to

844
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: work and forcing myself to say different words, to listen

845
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: to people, to be present. It's sort of like it

846
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: gives me enough space from it to go like, oh, okay,

847
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: that it took some of the air out of the balloon. Yeah,

848
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: what felt so big before has now become kind of

849
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: right sized and it's more manageable. Yeah, versus like you know,

850
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: when you lay in your back when you're like I

851
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: used to do this all the time my twenties, when

852
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: I'd wake up with anxiety or something and I didn't

853
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: know what to do besides just lay in my bed.

854
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: And of course that is the for at least for me,

855
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: that is the worst possible thing I can do.

856
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm the same. I mean I many years of

857
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: my life. I've really only recently, in the last I

858
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: think a year or two, learned how to get myself

859
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: up out of bed because I would wake up and

860
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: immediately feel depressed, like open my eyes and feel all

861
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: the pressure of the day, all the things that I

862
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't and then it's like, friends, I forgot to say

863
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: happy birthday to a month ago, and it's like every

864
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: little possible thing that's in your brain about how what

865
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: an I am? Why everybody hates me, why my life

866
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: is a mess, and lela la, all of the horrible

867
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: things that lead you completely out of gratitude and into

868
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: feeling worse and worse and worse about yourself. And that's

869
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: what was like the replay, like the record on my

870
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: brain every morning when I open my eyes, and it

871
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: is so exhausting, and the worst thing that I would

872
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: do is lay in bed because I didn't know. I

873
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: felt paralyzed by it and I hadn't didn't have any tools. Yeah,

874
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: but I tell you, like stepping foot out of bed,

875
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: getting my body upright, drinking a glass of water, taking

876
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: a shower, like wat just getting water on your body,

877
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, even babies react to it

878
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: if they're throwing a fit. You put a kid in

879
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: a bath and they're like, okay, something's different, you know,

880
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: step outside, just something to change it up in your

881
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: brain makes all the difference.

882
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: Yes, completely, you know, it's esteemable. Actions build esteam. And

883
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: so what I started doing when I was starting to

884
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: develop my toolkit, was I would I'm a I'm a

885
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: to do list guy, clearly like I love structure, I

886
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: love I love a list, and so I would pad

887
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: my to do list, and my first three things would

888
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: be make bed, brush teeth, take a shower, usually get dressed.

889
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: So by the time I was starting my day, I

890
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: had a sense of accomplishment.

891
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've checked some things off.

892
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: I've taken off like a core of this list, you know.

893
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: But it's funny that Clay had the line I would say,

894
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 3: The line most people talk to me about is I

895
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: think it's no matter how fast you run, the pain

896
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: will run faster. It's something to that. I know. I'm

897
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: not getting it word for word everybody, but you know

898
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: the gist of it. It's something I think Clay's already

899
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 3: said by this point, I believe because he's talking about

900
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: grief and how he he knows from experience, because he

901
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: tried to outrun it and just escape it. And what's

902
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: interesting is I'm only now realizing that I should have

903
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: taken my own advice sooner, like Rob, because this was

904
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: a time my life where I was just struggling and

905
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: I had no toolkit. So I remember as we were

906
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: talking about laying in bed, I used to I can

907
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: still picture the room, so clearly I would have to

908
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: as soon as I got home from work, I would

909
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: have to put a DVD of one of my favorite

910
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: shows on. It would stay on through falling asleep, and

911
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: as soon as I woke up if it had gone

912
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: to the menu screen, I immediately started it back up

913
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: because I couldn't just be alone with my thoughts like

914
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: going to sleep and waking up were the two scariest

915
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: parts of the day for me. Wow, So I had

916
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: to have white noise. It felt familiar, It felt like

917
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: it was almost like friends in the house, because my

918
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: only solution would have been I'm just going to pull

919
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: the covers over my face, which, of course, like all

920
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: it does is kill time, but it would make life

921
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 3: just infinitely scarier and harder.

922
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: So that's a good coping mechanism for a season, just

923
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: to start, you know, get you out of your own brain.

924
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: You if and when thoughts are overwhelming, and then what

925
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: do you do moving on from that? Like what's the

926
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: next level up from that?

927
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: Well? I mean at best that having TV on the

928
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: background as a band aid, like it's not shooting anything

929
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: at all. I mean for me, what I just discovered

930
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: for myself was like I do best in motion, So

931
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: it's I just got to get out of bed and

932
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: start doing things. And because otherwise just you know, like

933
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: my my brain can be a very dangerous neighborhood to

934
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: be hanging out in by myself. So like when I

935
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: wake up and my brain has suited up for the

936
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: opposing team, I'm like, oh, okay, I got to call

937
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: some people, Like I got to get busy, you know,

938
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: before my head gets busy on me. And I just

939
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: didn't know better back then.

940
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you'd coped the best way you knew how

941
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, there's this element of level

942
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: to level, you know, good glory to glory whatever however

943
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: you want to phrase it. But the idea that like

944
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: you're figuring it out and the band aid that you

945
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: had at that moment was that was what you had.

946
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: And so then there's another level after you decide that

947
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: this is just a band aid, how do we actually

948
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: take the band aid off and start healing the wound.

949
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: Also, I think that didn't help at the time, was

950
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 3: again this was pre therapy, so I kind of felt

951
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: like I always needed to present the version of Rob

952
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: that had the fewest needs and took up the least

953
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: amount of space. Yea, and which in my head was

954
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be easy and fun and here

955
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: for you, but I don't need anything from you, which

956
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: also meant I'm not going to tell you when I'm

957
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: struggling or scared or hurting because I don't want to

958
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: be in position. So I wasn't saying like, hey, man,

959
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: does anyone else have a solution to this? Because, like

960
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: you know, now where I'm at, it's like, if I'm

961
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: struggling with something, I'll reach out to someone close to

962
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: me and either just to bring them in on it,

963
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, because a burden shared is halved, a joy

964
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: shared is doubled. It's like, I'm a big believer in that.

965
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: But also because they may have a solution, they may go,

966
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I went through that and here's what I

967
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: did that helped me. But back then it was like,

968
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: how you doing, Rob, great man, how are you?

969
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: Even if they don't have a solution, just being heard

970
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: being seen having somebody like listen say, I don't know

971
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: what that's like, but I can imagine based on what

972
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: you're explaining to me, and I'll be thinking about you.

973
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: What do you need? You want to come over? You

974
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: want to watch a show together on FaceTime? You want

975
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: me to door to ash you something, You want to

976
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: do a crossword puzzle together. I don't know. Just having

977
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: somebody hold space for you, even if they don't have advice,

978
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: can change everything.

979
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: A little good old fashioned connection, you know, it's always

980
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: the secret sauce. It's just other people. If you're just

981
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: joining us, Welcome back to Joy and Rob's therapy Corner. Today,

982
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: we're talking about growth, where we've been, how we got

983
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 3: to where we are today.

984
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: Well, Clay certainly could take some of all of this advice,

985
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: some of all.

986
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: Of this some of all isn't that funny? It's like

987
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: when people go, I maybe definitely can be there.

988
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that may be definitely could I definitely maybe could

989
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: be there, definitely.

990
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: Maybe you definitely maybe could use a grammar class.

991
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: Wait, do you follow this guy? I just started following

992
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: this guy on we have a listener question We'll get

993
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: to in a second. I followed this guy I have

994
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: to find it and he talks about Southern isms and

995
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: he's talking about like now when you when somebody's trying

996
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: to get off the phone with you in the South.

997
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: Here are the cues that you need to listen to. Now,

998
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: there's one way to say it, which is I'm gonna

999
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: let you go. But the real kind way to say

1000
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: it and what you want to do. You want to

1001
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: win this, So the real important thing is for you

1002
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: to say, I'm gonna let you I'm gonna, i'm gonna

1003
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: let you let me go. Shoot, I'm gonna I'm butchering it. Oh,

1004
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: let me let you go. It's not just I'm gonna

1005
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: let you go. It's all right, well, let me let

1006
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: you go, because then you win. You're the most considerate.

1007
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: The page asks if you could pick your TV siblings

1008
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: from any other show, who would it be. Oh?

1009
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean I always go back to the Huxtables. It's

1010
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: my favorite TV family ever. But I think Who's the

1011
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: Boss comes in at a close second. I feel like

1012
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: I would have had a lot of fun with Sam.

1013
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean, Alissa Milano, I can't

1014
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: remember what the character's last name is. What about you?

1015
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: I am going to go arrested development.

1016
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: You would have such a field day with that.

1017
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think there would never be a dull moment.

1018
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: Holidays would be exceptionally disastrous and entertaining all day. Yeah,

1019
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: take them all.

1020
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Okay, this guy is landon Bryant and you will you

1021
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: will thank me later. He's really funny Landon Bryant.

1022
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: Land and Bryant.

1023
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: Okay, honorable mention. Hm, I mean Paul Teal is always

1024
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: going to get my honorable mention from now on every

1025
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: episode he's in. I love him and I miss him already.

1026
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 3: Also, is Josh behind the Oh? He is? I was

1027
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: gonna say, I remember watching the episode at the start,

1028
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 3: going is he behind it? And I think we realize

1029
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 3: after he leaves jan As hotel or sees me Alex's

1030
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: hotel room met he is? So I can't wait to

1031
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: see what he's cooking up. But yes, honorable mention all day.

1032
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: Paul Teal? Yeah, what a guy, What a loss? Much

1033
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: love to to uh to Paul into his loved ones

1034
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: this difficult season. Well, what do we have next episode?

1035
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: Oh no, we have a wheel first, Ultra horses. Roberto

1036
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: most likely to get a residency in Vegas. I'm gonna

1037
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: say both Haley and Joy.

1038
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I could do that. I mean, I

1039
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: don't love Vegas. But that does seem like something that

1040
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: would be fun for like a year. Maybe maybe I

1041
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: do like glitter and heat.

1042
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: I just love the idea of you've moved to Vegas.

1043
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, what drew you to Vegas?

1044
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: Joy?

1045
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: And you're like, honestly, I just love glitter. That would

1046
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: be the most joy answer ever. I would be so tickled.

1047
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: I love glitter. Next episode, Season seven, episode twenty, Learning

1048
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: to Fall. Thank you so much for joining us, and

1049
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: we look forward to seeing you next week.

1050
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: And can I just say, can you just do all

1051
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: of your segues? Can all of them start with I

1052
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: love glitter?

1053
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 4: Yes?

1054
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: From this it would be the most hilarious runner. People

1055
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: tune in three episodes are like, why does she keep

1056
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: talking about how much she loves glitter?

1057
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: On topic I'm pushing for my Vegas residency.

1058
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: You're like, I love glitter. It was so sad to

1059
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: see Victoria die in this episode.

1060
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: One's like, what, I'm on it and I'm putting it

1061
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: in the arsenal.

1062
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: All right, thanks for joining us, everybody, Bye, Hey, thanks

1063
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 3: for listening.

1064
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1065
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,800
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1066
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,440
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1067
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