Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, March twenty ninth, and we are officially
Speaker 1: under a month away from the NFL Draft. We are
Speaker 1: twenty nine days away from the selections of the first
Speaker 1: round in Kansas City, Missouri. We are the Draft Show
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Speaker 1: back here with Brian Broddis, Zach Wilchuck Ayesha Morrison. I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's nobody built today, but he will be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing? Oh Jesus well, because you you saw Penny,
Speaker 1: because you could have just said a month? Do you
Speaker 1: have to say to thunder? A month? It is flying by.
Speaker 1: It's starting to get to crunch time here, it is.
Speaker 1: I'm watching players during the gbag nation now, nice, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to fit in as many as I can.
Speaker 1: You weren't doing that before h no, I would like
Speaker 1: go home. And now now that we're a month, we're
Speaker 1: a month in, I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't
Speaker 1: sneak up on you. I don't want to get to
Speaker 1: day three. I gotta try crame as many as I can.
Speaker 1: The other day, Brian, I was even sitting there and
Speaker 1: I was right in the draft magazine, as I know
Speaker 1: you have done plenty of times before, and I was
Speaker 1: sitting there. I was like, man, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: NFL combine, and it feels like it was yesterday. It
Speaker 1: wasn't yesterday, that was three or four weeks ago, already
Speaker 1: like it's coming and going. I usually study one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety guys. Oh no, I met one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety guys right now, and I got a month month ago.
Speaker 1: I just I got into a mode where they were
Speaker 1: just you know, they were they were able. You get
Speaker 1: the film and you just kind of go through them
Speaker 1: and you're getting a little bit of a rhythm and that, so, um,
Speaker 1: I understand being anxious. I think where I'm at now
Speaker 1: is I don't want to put one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: guys on a board. I just don't. It's very frustrating
Speaker 1: to me because I grew up in a system where
Speaker 1: we had one hundred and forty players, And when I
Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys in ninety nine and they asked
Speaker 1: me about this, like how many Larry lace Will my
Speaker 1: boss of the Cowboys at time, God rest his soul,
Speaker 1: one of the best bosses I've ever had here at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And Larry goes, how many players did you
Speaker 1: guys have on the board when you drafted to Green Bay?
Speaker 1: I said one hundred forty one hundred forty five. He said,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Didn't you feel like you
Speaker 1: were going to run out of names? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we always had, and it was always we had maybe
Speaker 1: five or six guys left, you know, that's it. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys then we were Larry was trying to kind
Speaker 1: of pair their board down. They had, I mean, they
Speaker 1: had stacks and stacks and stacks of players in the round,
Speaker 1: and to me, I think you lose your focus when
Speaker 1: you have that many names on your board. It's nice
Speaker 1: to know all the names, but if you're putting a yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something you visually because there's gonna be a point
Speaker 1: in time and we've done this for eleven years now,
Speaker 1: and I think done it better than anybody that covers
Speaker 1: this thing. That you the questions you're going to ask
Speaker 1: Aisha and Bobby and Zach and myself is who's the
Speaker 1: best player you have left on your board? And if
Speaker 1: you have one hundred and ninety something names, sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't get the best player on the board. You've kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, well, I think he's a fourth round
Speaker 1: I think you know. I mean I'm talking literally like
Speaker 1: the six seventh round guys. Not that you know, we've
Speaker 1: seen six seventh round guys have great careers in the
Speaker 1: national football Tom Brady one of the greatest ever to
Speaker 1: have a sixth round draft, Turl Davis sixth round, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the great careers you'll ever have. But I'm
Speaker 1: to the point now where I'm trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: who are my best one hundred and fifty players? Who
Speaker 1: am I? Who am my guys that if you know,
Speaker 1: if it came down to is and we're a one
Speaker 1: stop shop, we always talk about that. So there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fans from other teams listening. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to tell that fan, this is
Speaker 1: the best player I have on my board right now.
Speaker 1: You know, in that way the people can kind of
Speaker 1: when they fall along with us, they could say, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: they talked about this guy and not just have twenty
Speaker 1: guys at a position. Parcels used to say, you can,
Speaker 1: I'm stacked in there like club sandwiches, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, coach, you're right, you know, but
Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm at right now with my board.
Speaker 1: So are you are you gonna hit two hundred? Are
Speaker 1: you gonna watch? Oh? Yeah, I'm absolut of two hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely gonna do it. I'm just gonna keep watching
Speaker 1: until they say I can't watch film anymore and they're
Speaker 1: gonna make me draft. There you go. But I but
Speaker 1: I just know, I just know it's gonna help me
Speaker 1: personally when we get to day three and we're starting
Speaker 1: to see and that's one of the beauties about you know,
Speaker 1: the thing will probably with the great Dane Burglar is Dane,
Speaker 1: you would have four hundred five hundred guys under, you know,
Speaker 1: and need to go back around and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: what tell us something about him? Dane? And you know,
Speaker 1: and Dane is fire off a report about news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's the great think about what
Speaker 1: the draft show is that we can talk about these
Speaker 1: guys for three days. You know, everybody will have an
Speaker 1: opinion about these guys for three days. But I'm to
Speaker 1: the point now and I get what you guys are
Speaker 1: talking about trying to I'm trying to run down some
Speaker 1: names too, of like non combine guys and things like that.
Speaker 1: My conversations with with Dane Burglar, Like Dane, I need
Speaker 1: five names that nobody knows about or nobody nobody's you know,
Speaker 1: off those workout sheets. Who's working out at a school,
Speaker 1: who's running a really fast forty at a school that
Speaker 1: wasn't on our top one hundred, wasn't on our top
Speaker 1: one fifty, that wasn't in our top two hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me those guys, because what's happened is well, I'm
Speaker 1: talking a lot. I'm sorry, no, no, but I got
Speaker 1: pep talk. But the but the thing about the thing
Speaker 1: about it is when you get to those six and
Speaker 1: seventh rounds, we're gonna be hunting traits. Yep, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be hunting. He's Zach's gonna tell you he really he's
Speaker 1: a tall long guy. His measurables are this, Aisha is
Speaker 1: gonna tell me at Kansas Pro Day he ran a
Speaker 1: four three six, and you're gonna and you're gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see why, because that's what teams do in the
Speaker 1: sixth seventh round and that's what I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: myself watching these guys six seventh round now is the
Speaker 1: traits smart? Who are the traits players? You know, because
Speaker 1: those are the guys that are gonna be coming off
Speaker 1: that board in that on that day three when we
Speaker 1: get we get down too, and then the conversation would
Speaker 1: also become right, you don't want to get in a
Speaker 1: bidding war with underrafted rookie free agent. You got that.
Speaker 1: I've always understood, like wanted to kind of know the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of that process, like how do you
Speaker 1: weigh the risk of all Right, we like this guy,
Speaker 1: we think that he has the traits, but we also
Speaker 1: think maybe he'd be more of a hot commodity than
Speaker 1: somebody else when it comes to now, I got to
Speaker 1: compete with the Patriots, so I got to compete with
Speaker 1: the Eagles or whoever just to sign this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's a great point because what happened
Speaker 1: to Chris Hall, who works as worked in the college
Speaker 1: scouting department here since nineteen ninety has done a tremendous job.
Speaker 1: And one of the best examples ever was when I
Speaker 1: was with him and he would not let the tag
Speaker 1: of Tony Romo move out of the fifth round. The
Speaker 1: scouts were trying to pre draft, adjust and move guys
Speaker 1: that we could. Kind of the first thing they're going
Speaker 1: to do in free agency is go after those guys
Speaker 1: that are still on their board that are draft eligible,
Speaker 1: whether it's six seventh round, They're going to go drafted guys,
Speaker 1: priority free agents, and then just straight free agents. And
Speaker 1: that's why the Cowboys have have a great history of
Speaker 1: signing guys like a Tony Romo because a guy like
Speaker 1: Chris Hall will not let that tag move. You know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you start moving tags down, it's
Speaker 1: like you lose focus of like who the best players
Speaker 1: really are. And so you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you see Tony Romo in the fifth round and we
Speaker 1: get into free agency. Sean Payton's been on the phone.
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels is on the phone, Jerry Jones is on
Speaker 1: the phone. Those are the guys that you make the
Speaker 1: priority if you can't get to him in the draft.
Speaker 1: And to your point, Zach, when you get in the
Speaker 1: sixth seventh round and you have these compensatories, these aren't
Speaker 1: just wasted picks. These are guys that you don't want
Speaker 1: to fight for in free agency. You don't want to
Speaker 1: fight the Denver Broncos for a quarterback. You just hey,
Speaker 1: let's draft him, let's move on, and we'll be better
Speaker 1: for it. And a lot of those guys they'll have
Speaker 1: on the drafted list they'll bring in also for these
Speaker 1: Dallas Days and these thirds coming up. Yea Marquis Bell
Speaker 1: last year, he was an undrafted free agent. He was
Speaker 1: a thirty visit guy. We got to sit down with
Speaker 1: him and have a conversation. They had him tour in
Speaker 1: the Star. So that way, whenever that phone rings and
Speaker 1: it is a Jerry Jones or a Mike McCarthy or
Speaker 1: whoever it may be, there's a quicker opportunity to maybe
Speaker 1: try and get something done there and get him in
Speaker 1: the building. Yeah. The thing about too, the Dallas Days
Speaker 1: stuff is that it gives them the opportunity for like
Speaker 1: the local kids to come in and work out and
Speaker 1: you know, and get some face time with you know,
Speaker 1: with the scouting staff, get to see the facility. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, if they work out well, the coaches are like, man,
Speaker 1: when we need to get a physical on this guy
Speaker 1: because maybe he didn't get to go to the combine.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's one of those things like because
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do, you're not going
Speaker 1: to put a tag on the board unless you have
Speaker 1: an idea medically what that player is. And that's what
Speaker 1: Dallas Day gives them an opportunity. If there's those two
Speaker 1: or three players that they really like, they can get
Speaker 1: a physical on him right after the Dallas Day and
Speaker 1: then that way they have the medical information to be
Speaker 1: able to put that tag up on the board. Dallas
Speaker 1: Day is Thursday, the thirty first, and when we get
Speaker 1: Bobby Bell back tomorrow, well let's run through some of
Speaker 1: the names tomorrow about maybe who could maybe hit who
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys could be interested. It's a great advantage
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have the players. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's changing. It used to be the fifty mile
Speaker 1: radius so you really can't get but if the player
Speaker 1: is now from say the player with the school at
Speaker 1: usc and he's from Dallas. He can work out because
Speaker 1: he's from Dallas. Marvin Mims, Yeah exactly, Yeah down here.
Speaker 1: There used to be a time like the team's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Miami would have a huge advantage, Dallas would
Speaker 1: have a huge advantage. Los Angeles would have a huge
Speaker 1: advantage because of the radius that they could bring players
Speaker 1: in off that Green Bay. We didn't have very much
Speaker 1: of advantage. Rose, Well, I'm sorry, No, was Malik David
Speaker 1: is a thirty day visit guy? I don't remember. Let
Speaker 1: me go back in final question. I don't think he was.
Speaker 1: He was? Was he? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, from Florida? Right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were definitely interested. No, no, I remember because Pierce was. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. You're right, it was David was Davis because
Speaker 1: Bobby Bobby Belt came on. Bobby Belt came on on
Speaker 1: one oh five three the fan we were talking about
Speaker 1: this and he goes, you need to do some just
Speaker 1: like what we're talking about that last give me the
Speaker 1: player one ninety, Malik Davis. Ye, that's player one ninety
Speaker 1: on your board right there. And it's because Bobby Belt
Speaker 1: told me. It's like Brian, you gotta do some work.
Speaker 1: On this Malik Davis. I'm like, well, they've got two
Speaker 1: other running backs. You got to look at a Florida
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, do some work on Malie David.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, the board, the board got
Speaker 1: out and people like and then you saw the name
Speaker 1: alike Davis, and you went, oh, okay, this makes sense.
Speaker 1: It makes sense now Bobby was on that and that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's how you can kind of kind of
Speaker 1: get a live of the gauge. Yeah, and you talked
Speaker 1: about undrafted free agents and just um, you know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys wanted to kind of hop on them early. I
Speaker 1: mean when you look at even a guy like Peyton
Speaker 1: Hendershott who talked about Casey being on the phone and
Speaker 1: some other teams being on the phone, Cowboys showed interest
Speaker 1: him in him early. And he was saying that it's
Speaker 1: funny when you listened to him with Hayley's interviews that
Speaker 1: he talked about um, Jake Ferguson and him just kind
Speaker 1: of having that competition between each other, and I just
Speaker 1: I just see your point was one of the first
Speaker 1: things I thought about. I was like, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were really on his rate. Well, he was on their
Speaker 1: radar and they took care of that early right away. Sure,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have He may be in Kansas City, probably
Speaker 1: would be right that probably would be thinking about Kelsey.
Speaker 1: So Brian was mentioning how the list is now shifting
Speaker 1: from combine guys to non combine guys, and you agreed
Speaker 1: with him, and that's kind of where you're headed. Has
Speaker 1: there been a name that has stood out to you
Speaker 1: outside of that list so far? Has there been anybody
Speaker 1: that that has come to mind for you that's maybe
Speaker 1: those traits, those opportunities to maybe get an opportunity. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: this gentleman was just brought to my attention as of
Speaker 1: late NC State Guard Steve Avala. Is that how you
Speaker 1: pronounced this last name? Yeah, it's not. It's not the
Speaker 1: Steve of Vilas, the TCU guard. So there's another we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta a similar steam. Yes, if I'm not mistake,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I say there's a Chandlers
Speaker 1: of Vala. Okay, my bad Chandlers. I have watched it
Speaker 1: was it was late listen, it was um but I
Speaker 1: was watching him and it's so much because there's so
Speaker 1: much conversation about cowboys. Possibly taking guard and how they
Speaker 1: could go whatever the case may be. And when you
Speaker 1: look at Steve a Villa, who a lot of the people,
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been talking about, I don't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad if this gentleman was like a
Speaker 1: third round Okay, was a particular trait you liked in
Speaker 1: the player with him? Um so I said he has
Speaker 1: the ability, like Tyler Smith, to completely turn a guy.
Speaker 1: Um I think you can make your left side better
Speaker 1: in pass protection. I think he does. He wins with reach,
Speaker 1: he does have power. Um. I also said that he
Speaker 1: has some bite to his game. He has there's a
Speaker 1: there's a I don't know, there's a ferocity to his
Speaker 1: game that I appreciate. And when you just started looking
Speaker 1: at I mean I just started looking at some of
Speaker 1: the traits and some of the things about him. He
Speaker 1: suffered a back injury last year, well in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one that I think had people kind of weirded out
Speaker 1: about him. But he killed his pro day, Brian, he
Speaker 1: killed his pro day the other day. Let me be
Speaker 1: talking about um let me see I put it down. Yes,
Speaker 1: So it sounds like he had thirty bench reps U
Speaker 1: thirty two and a half vertical um five five point
Speaker 1: zero one forty yard dash. His cone drill was seven
Speaker 1: point seven point five six the three cone drill and
Speaker 1: four point five three short shuttle. So he has a
Speaker 1: little bit of explosive numbers. Exactly has some explosiveness to him. Um,
Speaker 1: he's really raw in a sense like he hasn't been
Speaker 1: playing but he's only been playing ball for six years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe if I'm not mistaken. So, but he has
Speaker 1: ye has the trades, but he has a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, it's a little bit more than
Speaker 1: that to where if you plugged him and he got
Speaker 1: the right coaching, this guy could be a dude. This
Speaker 1: guy could be a dude. Now, one thing I will
Speaker 1: say about him is that, Um, he could finish better.
Speaker 1: He could finish better, he could finish his blocks better.
Speaker 1: But there's some savvy to his game and I just
Speaker 1: like the power he plays with. I think he could
Speaker 1: be next to a Tyler Smith. Could be a very
Speaker 1: good guard if you decided to with coaching, if you
Speaker 1: decided to go that route. And he was brought to
Speaker 1: my attention, I've been seeing a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about Chandler Zavala, the one note I have on him.
Speaker 1: So if if they want to bring him in this
Speaker 1: this sounds great. His father, Demitrio Zavala, was a two
Speaker 1: time champion of the cooking show Chopped. Yes, yes, so
Speaker 1: bring him in the building, get him in, let's go
Speaker 1: in here and to that point, to that point. Um,
Speaker 1: one thing about him, this this guy, if I'm not staken,
Speaker 1: I believe he is. Um. Yeah. So yeah. The thing
Speaker 1: about him though, also is that he really has focused
Speaker 1: on his diet. Yeah, okay, I said that his father
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons that has helped him stay,
Speaker 1: stay in shape, stay you know, stay fits, stay lean,
Speaker 1: but you know, to play this position at a high level.
Speaker 1: This is an intelligent guy. He's a graduate student. He's
Speaker 1: just I think also the character is there. These are
Speaker 1: all things you're looking for, Brian, when you're looking at
Speaker 1: these bottom these the way day three guys, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: way the way that she described the player to me
Speaker 1: would would make me want to go, Now I have
Speaker 1: to go look at this player and yeah, now I
Speaker 1: have to go figure out like, okay, where does he
Speaker 1: fit in? You know? Is this guy? Is this guy
Speaker 1: you know a top one fifty player? Is this guy
Speaker 1: you know? That now you have to figure out where
Speaker 1: he is on your board as compared to others. And
Speaker 1: let's be honest, I feel like that this guard group
Speaker 1: is kind of a top heavy group. You know, if
Speaker 1: you go down in the middle of it, you're there's
Speaker 1: a lot of projections. Yeah, this guy is a tackle.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to move him to guard. This guy's
Speaker 1: a short armed guy. The best guard in the draft
Speaker 1: is supposedly the guy from Northwestern Tackle. But he's a tackle, right,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's and that's the thing about it
Speaker 1: is you you're you're at that point now where Okay,
Speaker 1: if the guy's got the lenked, if he's got the trades,
Speaker 1: if he's got the lateral slide to him, is he
Speaker 1: better than some of these guards that we've seen, like
Speaker 1: in the fourth fifth round. Yeah. And actually, I think
Speaker 1: Dane tweeted that he was surprised that he didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of people were surprised if he didn't get
Speaker 1: to invite. So for the fact that he killed his
Speaker 1: pro day, Yeah, definitely has He's probably gonna move up
Speaker 1: some boards. But I I just would not get mad
Speaker 1: when you talk about Steve a Villa and how people
Speaker 1: are just like, oh yeah, he would really fit in stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this dude got a lot of that. But
Speaker 1: also to it, I think he just has a little
Speaker 1: bit more bite to him and he wouldn't cost as
Speaker 1: much to get either. Absolutely think about that. You can
Speaker 1: get him in day three as opposed to spending a
Speaker 1: high end first round pick. Too, young guy, not a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of I don't know, just bad stuff, like
Speaker 1: because he hasn't had a lot of time to tread
Speaker 1: on the tire, and you could get him in here
Speaker 1: and get him, you know, get him some coaching and
Speaker 1: maybe get with Duke like all these other guys, and
Speaker 1: you might have a real hard prospect on your hands.
Speaker 1: So I really like him. I watched him for a
Speaker 1: while last night because I want to make sure we're
Speaker 1: talking about guard. Possibly, Yeah, I think guard right now.
Speaker 1: If you look at where the Cowboys would go, that's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest need, the biggest uncertainty. You know, who's
Speaker 1: gonna play left guard. We got the Terrence Steel rumors
Speaker 1: that are out there right now. You have Farniak who's
Speaker 1: still in the building. But yea, if they don't address
Speaker 1: that at twenty six, where do you go at guard.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys maybe that you could look at,
Speaker 1: but but you're right, it's not You're not in love
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys. The one thing that
Speaker 1: we've learned about this organization, if you let them pick
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman laite in the first round, they'll hit
Speaker 1: they'll hit on him and they know that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they do know that. They do know that. Some of
Speaker 1: the guys that I've seen and I always look for
Speaker 1: the versatility right because they seem to like that. Now,
Speaker 1: who knows you have a new offensive line coaching Mike's
Speaker 1: Lari Brian. We've talked a lot about that on the
Speaker 1: g Bag Nation. But like Jared Patterson Notre Dame, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to wait, that might be a guy that
Speaker 1: is a center, right center and play played both there,
Speaker 1: so he's got that versatility. I thought he looked pretty
Speaker 1: good as a wide Basse plays with a good leverage
Speaker 1: and technique, rarely loses position, and I think Notre Dame
Speaker 1: pumps out good offensive lineman typically. That's a school that
Speaker 1: I would go back to. And then I liked what
Speaker 1: I saw from Anthony Bradford, your LSU tiger there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was impressive in that SEC championship game
Speaker 1: against Jalen Corder, and not many people were I put
Speaker 1: him as a potential Cowboys fit in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that. I really liked Bradford. Two, there's
Speaker 1: another guy that I liked as a center that's probably
Speaker 1: a Day three early Day three guy, Michigan center Ola
Speaker 1: Sagan Olawatami. Yes, yeah, you've seen him so far. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of I liked him. I think he's
Speaker 1: the second best center in the draft. Wow. I have
Speaker 1: him as four behind Patterson Wipler from Ohio State, who
Speaker 1: I also want to talk about at some point, and
Speaker 1: then John Michael Schmidt's Yeah, Patterson Patterson to me, I
Speaker 1: think will be a guard. But I see what you're
Speaker 1: saying there because he played some center there, Notre Dame
Speaker 1: as well. But olow A Teamy from Michigan. Holy cow,
Speaker 1: this dude just seems like he is gonna wear you
Speaker 1: out over the course of a football game. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of it, you're gonna be like, gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that guy again. He's
Speaker 1: highly decorated, though, like your Outland Trophy winner Lombardoington winner
Speaker 1: transferred from Virginia. Yeah, yeah, oh we talk about center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to. Okay, because I had to again
Speaker 1: guard talk, I circled back to Cody malk Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love code. I just circle back to him, even as
Speaker 1: guard because there I circle back to him because I
Speaker 1: went and watched his senior day and it seemed the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff, and they put him at center, put
Speaker 1: him at guard, and I'm telling you, man, it just
Speaker 1: seemed like when he got his hands inside inside, inside
Speaker 1: the jersey, he dropped that at I mean, he dropped
Speaker 1: that anchor. We're not on the FCC regulated side of things,
Speaker 1: so you could say it if you wanted to, but
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he dropped that anchor. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about the Cowboys in particular, or any organization
Speaker 1: right now, people are looking for a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: if something happens, I can move you. This guy's played tackle,
Speaker 1: maybe not at the again, he went to North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people I think are worried about
Speaker 1: if the tackle position was if he saw the best competition.
Speaker 1: But if you want to neutralize that, maybe move him
Speaker 1: and let him get busy. But I'm telling you just
Speaker 1: the way that he just stops people in their tracks.
Speaker 1: I just he's mean, Yeah, he's looking to apply punish.
Speaker 1: Why I said, I said, he has a little more
Speaker 1: violence in his game than a VisiC and this is
Speaker 1: an easy comp because they're both FCS guys. But he
Speaker 1: reminds me of the motor and the mentality of a
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning from last year North ohioway. The size, size
Speaker 1: is not there, no no question. Kind of like him
Speaker 1: more than Penning, do you. Yeah, it's different because Penning
Speaker 1: was a tackle. But I like Cody Mauk a little
Speaker 1: bit more than I like Penning. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: not as risky if if I were looking at Mauk,
Speaker 1: the competition doesn't necessarily bother me too too much. It's
Speaker 1: it's more so the size. And I kept him at
Speaker 1: tackle just because that's where he played. I completely understand
Speaker 1: moving him to guard. I actually think he would fit
Speaker 1: better at guard, but I kept him at tackle just
Speaker 1: because that's kind of what I think teams would do initially,
Speaker 1: but then move him. He was waited at three o
Speaker 1: two with a combine. That's my biggest concern is are
Speaker 1: you gonna put somebody at three o two on the
Speaker 1: outside and let him ride. No, you're probably gonna give
Speaker 1: him some help and you're gonna push him the guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't. I don't think he'd played tackle, Brian.
Speaker 1: I think we actually talked about it earlier. The playing
Speaker 1: center might play center. Yeah, that'd be interesting just to think. Granted,
Speaker 1: like we talked about, he may not be, he may
Speaker 1: not be the best tackle, but the idea that he
Speaker 1: can play it, that he can play it, Yeah, then
Speaker 1: you can exactly. And so he's someone I circle back
Speaker 1: to because I was like, if we're talking about guard,
Speaker 1: I want to see who's the who could be the
Speaker 1: best at that? And I think he could be. I
Speaker 1: think he could be. If maybe if he was playing
Speaker 1: guard from the first place, we'd be having a whole
Speaker 1: different conversation. No, I love him, might be right. I
Speaker 1: think he's fantastic. You could get him at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: that would be a dream. I don't think he'd last there.
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to maybe take him at twenty
Speaker 1: six if you really want to. People might not be smart.
Speaker 1: It might be like, let's hope the people aren't smart
Speaker 1: all the time. Bringing all these linebackers that we don't
Speaker 1: really care about put them up in front of him
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. Let's make it happen, all right? When
Speaker 1: we come back, what about trade up or trade down
Speaker 1: scenarios and that specific realm? Where are we gonna go?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna trade up to maybe go get a
Speaker 1: high end prospect, You're going to trade down to grab
Speaker 1: some more picks? Which one do we lean toward? We're
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Speaker 1: Here you go, all right, Our first question comes from Cofax.
Speaker 1: He says, can you tell me why tight end is
Speaker 1: talked about as an early need? Didn't Ferguson and Hindershot
Speaker 1: show enough last season to try and prove that they
Speaker 1: are good enough for this organization to survive with Zach
Speaker 1: will start with you, Yes they did. But I think
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys a lot of this offseason we've talked
Speaker 1: about they want to add a playmaker on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football. And as we've talked about on
Speaker 1: the Draft show, wide receiver is not as deep as
Speaker 1: we're accustomed to seeing in the last few drafts. And
Speaker 1: it's very likely that in the first round, if you
Speaker 1: want to add an offensive weapon, the best player is
Speaker 1: going to be a tight end. And that's why we're
Speaker 1: talking about tight ends. How can you help the offense?
Speaker 1: How can you add another pass catcher? And Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: loves the third of the tight end, And I think
Speaker 1: all of these guys at the top of the draft
Speaker 1: are better players than what you currently have. And it's
Speaker 1: not a slight on fergus Shot. I think both of
Speaker 1: them have tremendous upside. I like Jake Ferguson a lot
Speaker 1: come out of Wisconsin, but I think we would all
Speaker 1: look at Adulton can aid A, Michael Mayer, a Musgrove
Speaker 1: out of Oregon State and think they are better players
Speaker 1: than what you have currently right now. And there's no
Speaker 1: better mismatch on the field if you have a good
Speaker 1: tight end to take advantage of. And all of those guys,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, have traits to where linebackers aren't going
Speaker 1: to be able to cover them. You're going to have
Speaker 1: to put his safety up there. There's so many things
Speaker 1: you go twelve thirteen personnel. I think we all had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun with the Cowboys using those bigger
Speaker 1: formations last year. At the end of the year, we're
Speaker 1: thinking where they go? Why aren't you using the tight
Speaker 1: ends more? This is all things. Just because you take
Speaker 1: one doesn't mean fergus shot. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: out there Ferguson and hendershot. But you now add another weapon,
Speaker 1: and if you can't get that at receiver, why not
Speaker 1: take that at tight end. I think if you have
Speaker 1: some people in the organization, they would think that Hendershot
Speaker 1: might be better than Ferguson, and they feel like that
Speaker 1: that to me, that that we're putting both these guys
Speaker 1: together and there's really one guy that's clearly better than
Speaker 1: the other, then okay, so that nind go out and
Speaker 1: add another guy. They you know, everybody we like I say,
Speaker 1: we put these two guys together, and we've seen production
Speaker 1: with both. But you've talked to people in the organization,
Speaker 1: they will tell you that that that potentially that Hindershot
Speaker 1: is better than Ferguson. Wow, And to add another one
Speaker 1: to try and be better than Ferguson, now that gives
Speaker 1: you two legit. Nothing against Ferguson. We've seen, We've seen
Speaker 1: productive games and productive catches. But I just keep hearing
Speaker 1: the name Hindershot, Hindershot, Hindershot, Hintershot a lot more than
Speaker 1: I'm here in Ferguson. So going out and getting a
Speaker 1: tight end, that's that's something to them that they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we could go at another guy that could be way better,
Speaker 1: way better than the guy that we drafted last year.
Speaker 1: Now the pushback right and in nishi Wanter reviewerie On
Speaker 1: this is you can still find a pretty darn good
Speaker 1: tight end outside of the first round. If you wanted
Speaker 1: to wait because there are some guys that I like class.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very deep, but the tight end might
Speaker 1: be arguably the deepest position outside of running back in
Speaker 1: this draft. But I mean you can look at Josh
Speaker 1: Wiley at a Cincinnati, who's a really good player. You know.
Speaker 1: Samuela Porta from Iowa is a guy that people just
Speaker 1: seem to love because of his characteristics off the field.
Speaker 1: Luke Schoonmaker, I think at of Michigan is a guy
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would probably like. He kind of fits
Speaker 1: what they want to do. I liked what I saw
Speaker 1: from Brenton Strange at a Penn State. Yeah. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a kid that should probably have gotten more
Speaker 1: playing time and they should have used him more within
Speaker 1: that offense. Yeah. And then also too, I mean you
Speaker 1: mentioned his name last week. I went and looked at
Speaker 1: zat Koons. Yeah, the old dominion, and I think he
Speaker 1: sneakily might be one of the more athletic guys. Says well,
Speaker 1: so if you you want to, you know, um, But
Speaker 1: to your point, no, I agree. I feel like with
Speaker 1: the tied end position also, you ask kind of like,
Speaker 1: is that is what we be? Okay with it? And
Speaker 1: it looks like across the league, like you want to
Speaker 1: just keep adding to that room, like you want to
Speaker 1: keep add into that room and continue that term because
Speaker 1: like you said, like and also to the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: coaches here. Yeah, one of Wells a fantastic coach. Nda
Speaker 1: Wells might be. There's there's the side of me that
Speaker 1: believes that Linda Wells might be the best offensive line
Speaker 1: coach in the building. And he's coaching tight ends. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: And I and I and I'll I'm not I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: I'll back you up on it. Coach. This guy can coach,
Speaker 1: and guys want to play for him. Yeah, and absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised that they didn't they didn't push him
Speaker 1: in that direction. But this guy can coach. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you you know, you put another you
Speaker 1: put another quality guy with him. He you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's guys like like you're drafting defensive lineman here. You know,
Speaker 1: you put you know, you put a d on these guys,
Speaker 1: you put Dan Quinn on these These guys are gonna
Speaker 1: get better, you know. Don't don't be fearful of like, hey,
Speaker 1: why are we adding another tight end? No, you're adding
Speaker 1: another tight end. It's damn good they can get his
Speaker 1: ass coached off by one of these guys. That'll make
Speaker 1: him even better. That's that's that's what's going on around here.
Speaker 1: There's some questions about some coaches I have, but there's
Speaker 1: like a guy like Wells and some of those guys
Speaker 1: Quinn Nah, I got no questions about those guys coaching ball.
Speaker 1: Ye teams don't got no safety, don't have a jam
Speaker 1: Rock cars to deal with a tight end that can
Speaker 1: just do whatever they want to do in the middle
Speaker 1: of field. So I'm just saying, like I understand the
Speaker 1: tight end kind of people say it as a waste.
Speaker 1: They say it's not a waste, a waste, it's not
Speaker 1: a waste in the way we play football in this
Speaker 1: day and no, I mean, are you telling me you're
Speaker 1: not trying to go hunting out there to try and
Speaker 1: get your own Mark Andrews or Travis Kelsey or Darren Waller.
Speaker 1: There's only a select few beasts at the position. If
Speaker 1: you can add one of those to your football team,
Speaker 1: it's an invaluable type of resource. And these guys have
Speaker 1: the type of potential that we're talking about in the
Speaker 1: first round where it's rare, and I understand there's a
Speaker 1: lot of first round tight ends that have missed, But
Speaker 1: just because they've missed historically, it doesn't mean they're gonna
Speaker 1: miss now. I mean, t J. Hawkinson's a heck of
Speaker 1: a player. He was a first round tight end, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not all first round tight ends just turned
Speaker 1: out to be bus No. It's like that with any
Speaker 1: other position. I mean, for every Patrick Mahomes that was
Speaker 1: a first round pick, there was a Mitch Trubisky that
Speaker 1: was picked before him. It happens, busts happened. The thing
Speaker 1: with tight end is that people like you said, they
Speaker 1: don't think there's value in tight end. I keep going
Speaker 1: back to this point. I've said it on multiple shows,
Speaker 1: but look at the three of the four teams that
Speaker 1: made the conference championship games, they probably have three of
Speaker 1: the four top tight ends in the entire country. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Dallas Goddard has respectfully become one of
Speaker 1: the better tight ends in league. You can just see
Speaker 1: the top four or five tight ends. The coaching, the versatility,
Speaker 1: what he can do in the screen game, and he
Speaker 1: can just change. He really changed that offense and when
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. You could tell he wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: could old Kelsey all these guys, I mean even Andrews.
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have a quarterback, but he was still
Speaker 1: balling out. So made it happen, all right? Rowdy wants
Speaker 1: to know about potential trade up, stay or trade down scenarios.
Speaker 1: Which one would you be more likely to go for.
Speaker 1: Would you rather go up and get somebody Brian or
Speaker 1: you want to stay back? What's what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested. We did a we looked at
Speaker 1: a mock draft Mike Tannenbaum's mock draft yesterday from ESPN
Speaker 1: on our show on one oh five three the Fan,
Speaker 1: and we were trying to figure out spots to go
Speaker 1: to if there's certain players that fell to you. I
Speaker 1: know that that Zach really does like Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigbu and so I was trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: if he got to your spot at you know, twenty one,
Speaker 1: if he got to the not to your spot, but
Speaker 1: he got to twenty one, if he got to twenty three,
Speaker 1: you know, how would would you be comfortable. You're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to overpay. You're gonna have to overpay and
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you and it's funny, the higher
Speaker 1: up you go, the more of the overpay it is.
Speaker 1: But you want to go to say you want to
Speaker 1: go to twenty one, the charges I mentioned them, that's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you. That's going to cost you your third
Speaker 1: round pick yep, that's gonna I mean, that's just the
Speaker 1: straight that it's a it's a it's an overpay. It's
Speaker 1: an overpay by forty points. Yeah, because you're you're twenty
Speaker 1: six is worth seven hundred if we're looking at the
Speaker 1: trade charts right, twenty one is worth eight hundreds. So
Speaker 1: you gotta make up one hundred points and then overpay
Speaker 1: a little bit. How bad you want one of these guys?
Speaker 1: And you're you're in a situation too, even when you
Speaker 1: want to move up. Say you're looking at you're looking
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. You know it's only in Minnesota. It's a
Speaker 1: sixty point thing, but you're talking about potentially giving up
Speaker 1: your four and you're five to having to go do that.
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm I how it's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be for one of these glass eaters that I like
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's gonna have to be if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go make this move. It's now. And the reason
Speaker 1: we talked about this is because Carter, the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: from Georgia, made it on on Mike's board, Cannons Bomb's board.
Speaker 1: He made it to eighteen. Do you guys want to
Speaker 1: go get the best defensive tackle in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the best shot we got is he's going
Speaker 1: to get to eighteen. We're talking about maybe the best
Speaker 1: player in the draft. It's a two hundred point jump. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now now you're sitting there and you're thinking, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, do we want to go do this? We
Speaker 1: want to go from twenty six to eighteen to go
Speaker 1: get the best defensive tackle in the draft. As an organization,
Speaker 1: we've got to make that. We've got to make that call,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's probably the closest he's going to
Speaker 1: get to us sure without having to massively go up
Speaker 1: the board to go get a guy. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing. When you do these mock drafts when they
Speaker 1: used to, when we used to sit in there, we
Speaker 1: did all these scenarios and people got mad at me
Speaker 1: for pointing something. Mount a guy did a mock draft
Speaker 1: where Will Levis ended up at the Cowboys at twenty six.
Speaker 1: I used to create mock drafts where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, you have to be prepared if a player
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect to fall. I don't care who
Speaker 1: it is, Will Levis Hinting Hook or whoever it is,
Speaker 1: if a quarterback falls to you, you have to be
Speaker 1: prepared to say, yes, we would take this guy, or no,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't. It's not about Daka. It's about taking getting
Speaker 1: a position, like getting a player that you didn't think
Speaker 1: you were going to have a chance to get. You know,
Speaker 1: now you go up, that's going to cost you something.
Speaker 1: The thing about going back, you don't want to. I
Speaker 1: don't think they want to lose that fifth year option
Speaker 1: on any of these players. People like, well, gosh, just
Speaker 1: trade out of the round. I don't think they want
Speaker 1: to lose that. They're gonna deal with that right now.
Speaker 1: With Diggs. They picked Digs in the second round, but
Speaker 1: at the time of the CD LAMB Draft, Diggs was
Speaker 1: a guy if they got I remember coming on on
Speaker 1: one O five three in Dallas Cowboys dot Com seeing
Speaker 1: if they got wiped out, Diggs would be in consideration.
Speaker 1: At seventeen, I bet you they wish they had that
Speaker 1: fifth year option on Diggs right now because that they're
Speaker 1: about to have to deal with a contract here. I
Speaker 1: don't see them falling out of the round, but I
Speaker 1: also don't see them going up in the round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to be ready for it. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think that it's unlikely they make the move up
Speaker 1: right because you're not making a move up for Bijan.
Speaker 1: They love the draft. Yeah, and to give up to
Speaker 1: your point when we did the exercise yesterday, you're having
Speaker 1: to overpay. You're having to give up an extra fourth
Speaker 1: to make the points work to be up, to be
Speaker 1: able to get up and get there like Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: For me, that might be the only player that I
Speaker 1: would really do it for. So you would considered at
Speaker 1: eighteen if you could, definitely would because I think he's
Speaker 1: the best player in the draft and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to help the entire defense. That would take either
Speaker 1: your third, probably your third, and your fourth to get there.
Speaker 1: It is probably and that that even point wise, is
Speaker 1: even your short ada And it hurts, right, it hurts.
Speaker 1: But if you're able to get a guy that if
Speaker 1: on my board he's number one you can go up
Speaker 1: and get him at eighteen and think about how that's
Speaker 1: going to impact the rest of your defense. It's keeping
Speaker 1: your linebackers clean now. Right, He's able to get you
Speaker 1: pressure from the middle. That's what makes him different from
Speaker 1: a Jordan Davis who was a freak show from right
Speaker 1: Jaalen Carter can be a three down play right. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that can stop the run for you. He's
Speaker 1: a force in the middle. He can get pressure from
Speaker 1: the middle of the pocket as well. And to me,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's going to impact every single level
Speaker 1: behind him in your defense to where I see it
Speaker 1: being worth it to move up and getting a player
Speaker 1: of that caliber. I have a question, yes, is there
Speaker 1: is there a possibility that there is an an edge
Speaker 1: that if they felt, if they felt you would be
Speaker 1: willing to trade up for. I'll ask you this question
Speaker 1: back to you there, miss Patty. What I'm not the question?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that they're good at defensive end
Speaker 1: right now with who they currently have on the right
Speaker 1: and and it's almost like a trick question because there's
Speaker 1: a couple of one year guys on contract. I was
Speaker 1: doing I was carrying the two I was doing mad Um. Well,
Speaker 1: because you saw the emergence of Sam Williams, right, Bob Back,
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler. Right, you got maybe a couple more years
Speaker 1: of tank You got Armstrong for a year, right Armstrong?
Speaker 1: But Armstrong is a not one dimensional but he's in that,
Speaker 1: he's that Tweeter Parnacles. Are you considering Michael Parson as
Speaker 1: an edge at this point? That's that's the question that
Speaker 1: now you now? Yeah, yes, because are you now looking
Speaker 1: for someone to pair Michael? We used to say, is
Speaker 1: there someone to pair Tanker? Are we looking for someone
Speaker 1: to pair Michael with? Or is it just let's see
Speaker 1: how good do you feel about all those guys that
Speaker 1: you just ran through. I think you could get I
Speaker 1: think you could get help at Edge. Okay, so you're in.
Speaker 1: You're in on Edge, Barnacles, I don't know about, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know about in the first round. It
Speaker 1: way is that's what we're talking about. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: one of your time guys. Because name your top three guys,
Speaker 1: my top three top three Rush Edge Rush Okay, so
Speaker 1: it would be Um probably Wilson Anderson, Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: will Anderson of course, Um Alabama, Alabama, My bad questions,
Speaker 1: who's your third Barnacles, that's the hard one. Smith isn't
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy? Which one is your Zacht Murphy is to
Speaker 1: me the better all around player, Nolan Smith. I think
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith has some Micah Parsons in him exactly. I
Speaker 1: think he's a better pass rusher. I love Miles Murphy.
Speaker 1: I think he's getting undervalued in this entire process. I
Speaker 1: see him sliding like he slid an arm Mark draft.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, Miles Murthy's a hell of
Speaker 1: a player. I love him. I think he's a stud.
Speaker 1: But in the Tannenbaum draft, Nolan Smith was picked after
Speaker 1: you were picked. I would have taken Nolan Smith and
Speaker 1: no Smith. And he took the tight end Mayre because
Speaker 1: because King Kaid was gone. Yeah, so he took the
Speaker 1: He took the tight end from Notre Dame at twenty
Speaker 1: sid don't panic like that, give me give me Nolan Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever have enough enough edge rushers.
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday on the show. It's to me, like,
Speaker 1: I get it. Your your roster right now, you're not
Speaker 1: you're not screaming for help, but the position you're okay.
Speaker 1: Six months from now, how are we going to be
Speaker 1: feeling about that tank? I mean, I love DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gotten enough credit, much like
Speaker 1: a Tyron Crawford when he was here for the player
Speaker 1: that he had all those positions when it comes to
Speaker 1: just being a well round be Tyler Smith stud Yeah. Amen.
Speaker 1: But if you can get a guy like Nolan Smith,
Speaker 1: and there's some other guys that I like. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Bjo Glari doesn't get talked about enough. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of here, like him too, An Lsu
Speaker 1: as well. If you wanted to wait, you could tell.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about Felix Uzoma from Kansas State.
Speaker 1: I think she's talking about it. I think she's talking
Speaker 1: about an age of twenty six. Nolan Smith would be
Speaker 1: the only guy it If Will McDonald's there, you think
Speaker 1: somebody gonna act the fool for you think it would
Speaker 1: be DQ. That's why That's what I'm saying, Dan standing
Speaker 1: on the table, are you are you? Are you telling
Speaker 1: us something we need to know? I'm a I'm saying
Speaker 1: that you live in this building too. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: with Edge in particular. I also think that Chauncey Gholston
Speaker 1: has changed some of this conversation because Chauncey was brought
Speaker 1: in to be an edge, but I think it's saw
Speaker 1: him do some of his best words. Right, So you
Speaker 1: lose at Iowa. You saw that too, absolutely, So you
Speaker 1: lose some depth there or some of that plan is
Speaker 1: being shifted. So I don't know. I'm just saying, like also,
Speaker 1: so much of the cowboy's identity this past year. Hey,
Speaker 1: we can rush the past, all right? Trade back if
Speaker 1: we trade back and I'm not trading out of the
Speaker 1: I'm not trading out of the first round. But you
Speaker 1: trade back, say you're trading to Kansas City or somebody
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, slash pick of the thing. Are
Speaker 1: you trading back? Is your trade back? Guy McDonald, I
Speaker 1: would do that. I wouldn't be mad. I think McDonald
Speaker 1: is number thirty three right now on my board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's client, So that would be perfect because when you
Speaker 1: talk about the MICA impairing him with it, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's coachable and all this stuff. I just I
Speaker 1: think there's a possibility that edge, like you just talked about,
Speaker 1: the depth looks good, but we don't know. You'd be
Speaker 1: comfortable taking him at twenty six. You't play too much? Ran, Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: why not like at this point because he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's in the early second round with a lot
Speaker 1: of people people. No, I don't, I mean, I like
Speaker 1: what you're doing. As I just wanted to say, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see how much you like the player.
Speaker 1: You obviously like the player. He's a good player. The
Speaker 1: thing about that scenario is, like you said, that's dan
Speaker 1: Quinn standing on the table and saying, I've done my job.
Speaker 1: My defense is badass. Go get me one more guy.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, And that's that's what he said.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it would happen if they had
Speaker 1: options offensively at twenty six. But if they're wiped out,
Speaker 1: wiped out at offense twenty six ors no more receivers,
Speaker 1: those tight ends are off the board. They're they're not
Speaker 1: comfortable with these offensive lineman and then dan Quinn standing
Speaker 1: on the table in the war room saying, go get
Speaker 1: me wil McDonald, Okay, you'll get me one of these
Speaker 1: other edge rushers. Okay, let me ask you this question,
Speaker 1: where do you guys feel? Okay, Sanders linebacker Arkansas or
Speaker 1: Will McDonald. I think Drew Sanders is better. I have
Speaker 1: Sanders as a first round Grea McDonald for me, man,
Speaker 1: I know people people love him. You're just scout across
Speaker 1: the table. I didn't like him. Let's just across your
Speaker 1: table two feet from you. You don't like McDonald or
Speaker 1: you don't love them? Yeah, I really did. Let me.
Speaker 1: You want to box, I didn't. Let's go. I didn't
Speaker 1: love Will mcdonnald. You know what didn't you like about him? Oh? McDonald?
Speaker 1: My notes are bad. I don't really even want to
Speaker 1: read him. Here read him say with your chest. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a part with his size, but just underwhelming.
Speaker 1: When I watched him against Kase State, he gets blocked
Speaker 1: by a tight end or a fullback at times, struggles
Speaker 1: to get off blocks, hops around in the backfield when
Speaker 1: he has a chance to make plays vers the run
Speaker 1: doesn't finish plays. He can work his hands well, sometimes
Speaker 1: to get around tackles, which resulted in a forced fumble.
Speaker 1: You can see upside, which is why scouts like him,
Speaker 1: but I don't see a ton of production on film.
Speaker 1: For me. He can shoot off the ball quickly when
Speaker 1: he wants to. He's just not an a consistent football player.
Speaker 1: Where were you watching him at? Like, where was he
Speaker 1: playing at? He was playing at edge, he was playing
Speaker 1: at like a stand up outside linebacker. And you think
Speaker 1: that Drew Sanders is more of I think I just
Speaker 1: thought Drew Sanders had more production, made more plays when
Speaker 1: I watched him, and you can. I mean, much like
Speaker 1: with Micah you saw at least him at Arkansas rush
Speaker 1: the passer. But I've think he's a true off ball linebacker.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I would compare these two because
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna play Drew Sanders, And I was
Speaker 1: just asking you. I was asking you the only reason
Speaker 1: because Drew Sanders does have the ability to rush guys,
Speaker 1: but he has the ability to play linebacker. Right, That's
Speaker 1: the only reason why I was trying to Will McDonald.
Speaker 1: I I see some of the things and I could
Speaker 1: be so wrong. No, no, no, no, no, no, hey,
Speaker 1: I never I will never. I will never fight. I
Speaker 1: mean I'll fight, but I will if as long as
Speaker 1: you're watching the tape, I have no problem with what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But the thing about it is, I think
Speaker 1: this guy can the better the better he plays on
Speaker 1: the move, the better chance he's got because I think
Speaker 1: the lack there's there's a lot of ben to his game.
Speaker 1: The bulk bothers me. The lack of the bulk bothers me.
Speaker 1: But you can say the same thing about Nolan Smith.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you know you could say the same. They're
Speaker 1: both finesse, bendy, long, lanky guys. Right, that's the guy
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about is. And I asked you
Speaker 1: about Sanders because there's people that, like, we did that
Speaker 1: thing the other day in the radio where Yard Parker
Speaker 1: did a thing pro comparisons and they put Drew Sanders
Speaker 1: and Michael Parsons and we all looked each other like,
Speaker 1: whoa because we all see what Michael. But but Drew
Speaker 1: Sanders does play linebacker and he does rush the passer.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why though. But to me personally, I think
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why there's there's the comp I
Speaker 1: don't see similarities in there game, not at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't see the same explosiveness. I don't see the
Speaker 1: same But we're not wrong. But will what Will McDonald though?
Speaker 1: He's a pass rusher, Yeah he is. He's a true
Speaker 1: pass rusher unlike Drew Rush. Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what you want, what you want?
Speaker 1: What do you need? What are you looking for? Or whatever?
Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, I see you, we're here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no. What The great thing about it is someone
Speaker 1: will remind you on Twitter during the sea whether it
Speaker 1: works or not. The Cowboys take him and dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: he went and worked him out there at Iowa State.
Speaker 1: If he decides, look, that's my dude. I love him.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be upset about it because I trust
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. He saw something that he likes and you
Speaker 1: can see the upside the physical traits with Will McDonald.
Speaker 1: I just didn't It didn't stand out to me when
Speaker 1: I watched him when it comes to just production, I
Speaker 1: need to watch. I need to watch the Kansas State
Speaker 1: tape because I watched him against Baylor, Oklahoma and TCU
Speaker 1: in Texas Tech, and I saw, like you said, I
Speaker 1: see the lack of power. He needs to add power
Speaker 1: to his game because he is a finesse rusher. But
Speaker 1: like you're saying, Kansas State kind of kicked him around
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I just need to go watch.
Speaker 1: Kans shouldn't be getting blocked by I don't think he
Speaker 1: kicked around by any of those teams that I named,
Speaker 1: And I mean I've watched those games specifically because I
Speaker 1: thought they had good offensive linement, interesting, interesting topics. I
Speaker 1: like it. Drew Sanders, I mean, you have a good
Speaker 1: point because you're talking about this comparison between Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: and Drew Sanders and what was compared on TV or
Speaker 1: wherever that that's what it was. And if Drew Sanders
Speaker 1: was Michael Parsons, he wouldn't have never left Nick Saban's grass.
Speaker 1: He would have never left Alabama, but he went to
Speaker 1: Arkansas and that's where he found some success. That's where
Speaker 1: he found it. If he was Michael Parsons, somebody would
Speaker 1: have found the way. And there's a lot of there's
Speaker 1: a lot of players that have transferred that they have
Speaker 1: gone on because you know, they just had Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: depend if they If Ryan Day would have known that
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was Joe Burrow, I don't think he would
Speaker 1: have let him out of that that room either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just an interesting thought process. All right,
Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll wrap things up. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're gonna have time for our mocks are
Speaker 1: dueling mocks women here. It is that tomorrow, but we'll
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Speaker 1: final segment here with Brian Brodda, Zak Walchuck, Ayesha Morrison.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to do some tell me more because we were originally
Speaker 1: gonna do dueling mock drafts, but we instead decided to
Speaker 1: fight about Will McDonald and Drew Sanders. Sorry, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. It's a good discussion. I love that discussion.
Speaker 1: That's why we let it roll. But we'll do dueling
Speaker 1: mock drafts tomorrow. We'll start it off. We'll get Bobby
Speaker 1: back in here too. We'll really do it up big.
Speaker 1: We'll start it off for tomorrow's show with dueling mock drafts.
Speaker 1: All right, tell me more about your guy that you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Jared Patterson out of Notre Dame, Zach Wolchuck.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through some of these interior offensive lineman
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about that are probably day two
Speaker 1: or early day three guys. I thought Patterson when I
Speaker 1: watched him overall, I mentioned, right, you've got the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame connections. I think Notre Dame produces good talent, but
Speaker 1: specifically I like the versatility, can play both garden center.
Speaker 1: I thought he has a wide base, but he plays
Speaker 1: with good leverage and technique, rarely lose his position. We'll
Speaker 1: drive and get knocked back in the run game, where's
Speaker 1: the combo blocks really well at both spots, can get
Speaker 1: to the second level. Not the fastest guy getting out
Speaker 1: in space, but he shows enough athleticisn't be able to
Speaker 1: pull if needed. Overall, I thought he was just really consistent.
Speaker 1: Love the position flex As I mentioned, I would take
Speaker 1: him in the third round and I'd be very happy
Speaker 1: with it, and I think you have a future starter. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think his feet aren't as quick as his eyes,
Speaker 1: and that's a problem for top heavy. Yeah, well not
Speaker 1: top heavy. When you when I say that, I mean
Speaker 1: he sees it, but his feet don't allow him to
Speaker 1: get over see what you're saying and make that happen.
Speaker 1: So I think, to me, you know his punch is
Speaker 1: timing his arm length is really below standards. What you say.
Speaker 1: You see guys get right on top of him, and
Speaker 1: I worry about that a little bit. He's got to
Speaker 1: work the hands faster than his feet. I mean, the bind,
Speaker 1: the leg drive. There's some things about him when he
Speaker 1: lacks I think some impact as a blocker, the longer
Speaker 1: he has to go in that block, so I you know,
Speaker 1: six five three zero six. I just think the short
Speaker 1: arms give him problems. And and but like I say,
Speaker 1: I think his lack of lateral sly too hurts him
Speaker 1: when he has to like the twist stunts and stuff.
Speaker 1: He's trying to get there and now, oh the guy's
Speaker 1: on him, and now he's having to fight to get
Speaker 1: in front of the guy and he can't quite get there.
Speaker 1: I don't have him as high as you. I have
Speaker 1: him in the fifth round myself. Wow. Okayth rounder, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Aisha? What about him? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: haven't watched him about it? Yeah, No, that's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go check him out tonight, though. But you gave
Speaker 1: us a couple we need to watch. Ye, this is good.
Speaker 1: We'll exchange here. I glanced at him and I look,
Speaker 1: and that's one thing that I did notice very quickly
Speaker 1: the time that I did glance at him, was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: his call it reach. I don't know if that's right,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh his reach aint that great? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's sure. Yeah, he's not going to be able to
Speaker 1: extend out there and scoop and get a guy. Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: center because you're at a disadvantage too, is that you're
Speaker 1: gonna play with your off hand quick. And if you
Speaker 1: don't play with your off hand quick, and guys get
Speaker 1: on your shoulder and then now they're moving on you.
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see that slide right. I didn't
Speaker 1: like him as projecting as a center personally. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a guard. Okay, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: play him at guard? Not make sense? Makes sense? See,
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I think I would probably do. There's
Speaker 1: better centers than him. I don't like his pad hight.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's very high off the line of scrimmage, like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's six. Yeah he's not not short, but but I
Speaker 1: see what you. Yeah, I don't like the way he
Speaker 1: plays straight up with his chest in his hands. He's
Speaker 1: got good hands, but they're moving too much for him
Speaker 1: to really set and reset. So I just I didn't
Speaker 1: love a ton of that. So the hands and the
Speaker 1: feet just didn't match to me kind of. Brian was
Speaker 1: talking about the feet a moment ago. Tell me about
Speaker 1: Luke Wipler out of Ohio State. This is another guy
Speaker 1: probably as a center. I think so, Yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: And I think this guy, to me, it's he's a
Speaker 1: very square player, and I mean square the way he's
Speaker 1: built and he's really now he's the opposite of what
Speaker 1: we just talked about at Notre Dame. He's quick to
Speaker 1: help guards. He's when he's uncovered, you see him kind
Speaker 1: of he understands where the blitz is coming from and
Speaker 1: then boom, he's over in that area. He's kind of
Speaker 1: got a wide basse to him, but he's still able
Speaker 1: to adjust. He usually the wider your bass, the harder
Speaker 1: it is for you to move into slide. And so
Speaker 1: guys get a wild white basis because they're not strong
Speaker 1: enough and they take guys on and they're trying to
Speaker 1: anchor down or as I used to like to say,
Speaker 1: drop that ass. But that's what's that. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where I think with Wiefler is that, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought he might get knocked around some, but he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's able to keep his position, he's able
Speaker 1: to keep the contact and he tends to keep that
Speaker 1: defender close to him because he's grabbing, he's holding, and
Speaker 1: he's kind of like dancing with the guy a little bit.
Speaker 1: I like the way this kid plays on his feet.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him on the ground at all, and
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty impressive about him. Where would I
Speaker 1: have him on my board? I think that when you're
Speaker 1: talking about the centers and stuff like that. I had
Speaker 1: him in the third round is where I had him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the if I'm not mistaken, he was on
Speaker 1: the Giants radar a little bit um, but I to
Speaker 1: your point. That was what I wrote down about him.
Speaker 1: I wrote, sustained. Don't make no sense to y'all, but
Speaker 1: to me that less we know he can sustain. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I call him the judge. Yeah, I've gotta have nicknames soccer.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, like yeah, once he gets his hands
Speaker 1: on you, Yeah, it's he's hard. He's hard to hard
Speaker 1: to shake. Yeah, And that surprised me as well, because
Speaker 1: I feel like with some of these guys that I
Speaker 1: feel like in this draft, there quite a few guys
Speaker 1: that have the long arms and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: for him to be able to sustain after taking on
Speaker 1: the impact of contact, I was that was important to
Speaker 1: me with a guy with his length. Sure, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought he was good in both pass and run blocking,
Speaker 1: but to me, he was one of the better all
Speaker 1: around interior alignment that we studied. Personally, I've got him
Speaker 1: as my number three center. I could see him being
Speaker 1: the second guy I have too. I've gotten the Michigan
Speaker 1: Cat ahead of him. I really just loved where I
Speaker 1: saw it from from Olawa Teamy and I watched him
Speaker 1: very recently last night to be uh to make sure.
Speaker 1: I just to double shovel check that, but I was impressed.
Speaker 1: Ohio State's got three really good linemen in this draft
Speaker 1: with Dwan Jones and then Paris Johnson. I think it's
Speaker 1: the best tackle. There's a reason why they were playing
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff this year. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: wat Yeah, that's true. I had Wipepler way down the board.
Speaker 1: Not way down the board, but I had him at
Speaker 1: like four or five on my center list. And then
Speaker 1: I went back and watched him again while I was
Speaker 1: writing the magazine, and I love his quickness off the snap,
Speaker 1: and he's got some good birds. He gets up in
Speaker 1: there and he's he's not afraid to push back and
Speaker 1: finish too. That was the biggest thing for me. One
Speaker 1: more guy. This is sticking with the center. How about
Speaker 1: Joe Tipman out of Wisconsin. You like I watched him
Speaker 1: last night? No, I just lost him. Oh you watched
Speaker 1: so I said. He has a strong lower half. He
Speaker 1: has lots of play strength. Brian, Uh. His hands can
Speaker 1: be out of place sometimes though, I think he finishes
Speaker 1: blocks well, but he's inconsidered with his mechanics. Sometimes he
Speaker 1: kind of reminders. It's so funny because Tyler is the
Speaker 1: first Tyler Smith is the first offensive lineman. I think
Speaker 1: I watched in depth, so a lot of the time
Speaker 1: when I'm watching guys that have a similar bill to him,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the similarities and so he'll get He'll
Speaker 1: also get caught, like leaning his chest open, gets twisted,
Speaker 1: which I don't like. He lives off of the fact
Speaker 1: that he can recover, and that's something that I think
Speaker 1: Tyler also used to do too. He had the strength
Speaker 1: to recover. So sometimes the point of contact wasn't always
Speaker 1: good with Tyler last like when he his rookie when
Speaker 1: I work here but at Tosa, but when he got here,
Speaker 1: that's something that he worked on im. He can replace
Speaker 1: his hands, regroup after the punch and stuff, but that's
Speaker 1: something that I think he needs to work on. Other
Speaker 1: than that, though, I feel like obviously his anchor is good,
Speaker 1: he has all the place to get to the second level.
Speaker 1: I just was worried about. It's the finishing blocks and
Speaker 1: the initial point of contact mechanics that I think he
Speaker 1: needs to work on. And I hope that's the right
Speaker 1: way to sound. The young scout got it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's frigging nailed this guy. I mean, you copy in
Speaker 1: my work over here later. Now, She's absolutely right. Everything
Speaker 1: she said about the players absolutely true. I mean at
Speaker 1: point to point with the notes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Sorry about the watch going off there, guys, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this guy, I worry about this guy. With
Speaker 1: large and big defenders can maybe give this guy some problem.
Speaker 1: And he's a big guy. He's six sixties, three thirteen
Speaker 1: and he doesn't always play like that. But she great job.
Speaker 1: You get him nailed. I agree with you, Brian. My
Speaker 1: first line on him was he gets stood up at
Speaker 1: the line by bigger defensive tackles and won't get a
Speaker 1: lot of movement. The only thing that that annoyed me
Speaker 1: watching him is I did think he was ground guy
Speaker 1: did end up on the ground a little bit. And
Speaker 1: that's what one of your one of your pet you're yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're alignment on the ground. Got problems. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't love but there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: to like him, because he is overall very consistent. I thought,
Speaker 1: as well, one of your biases, that's what. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was looking forward. He looks like, hey, looks like her
Speaker 1: I mean a center or I mean like a badger.
Speaker 1: He just looked a lot of these guys just look
Speaker 1: the part. And so when with looking apart, it's easier.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're drawn to them because they look the part.
Speaker 1: But then when you start looking within, like what they
Speaker 1: do well and stuff, you're like, oh well, honey, get
Speaker 1: off the ground, baby, please come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Find some pride? I can see myself sitting in a
Speaker 1: room in a college and going, baby, get off the ground, honey,
Speaker 1: please get on your feet. I just I learned something today, baby,
Speaker 1: get off the ground. And he also learned that Brian's
Speaker 1: got a clip that we're gonna have that cut of
Speaker 1: him saying, drop that ass, drop that ass. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: she turned it into a saw all right. For Chris Beam,
Speaker 1: for Brian broad Us, for Zach Waltschuk Ayesha Morrison. I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yellmans. We'll see tomorrow doing mock drafts when we
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