WEBVTT - Draft Show: Trade Up/Trade Down? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:08.360 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:12.240 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.120 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:22.639 the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.720 Today is Wednesday, March twenty ninth, and we are officially 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.360 under a month away from the NFL Draft. We are 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.080 twenty nine days away from the selections of the first 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.840 round in Kansas City, Missouri. We are the Draft Show 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.479 presented by Miller Lite, the official beer of the Dallas Cowboys, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.239 the only beer the Dallas Cowboys. It's Miller times. We're 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.400 back here with Brian Broddis, Zach Wilchuck Ayesha Morrison. I'm 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.480 Kyle Yeoman's nobody built today, but he will be back tomorrow. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.200 How's everybody doing? Oh Jesus well, because you you saw Penny, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.160 because you could have just said a month? Do you 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:05.480 have to say to thunder? A month? It is flying by. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.039 It's starting to get to crunch time here, it is. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.679 I'm watching players during the gbag nation now, nice, I'm 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.440 just trying to fit in as many as I can. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.959 You weren't doing that before h no, I would like 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.119 go home. And now now that we're a month, we're 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.640 a month in, I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.040 sneak up on you. I don't want to get to 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.160 day three. I gotta try crame as many as I can. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.000 The other day, Brian, I was even sitting there and 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.840 I was right in the draft magazine, as I know 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.400 you have done plenty of times before, and I was 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:32.880 sitting there. I was like, man, I'm talking about the 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.000 NFL combine, and it feels like it was yesterday. It 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.920 wasn't yesterday, that was three or four weeks ago, already 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.040 like it's coming and going. I usually study one hundred 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.120 and ninety guys. Oh no, I met one hundred and 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.960 ninety guys right now, and I got a month month ago. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.240 I just I got into a mode where they were 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.640 just you know, they were they were able. You get 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.000 the film and you just kind of go through them 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.040 and you're getting a little bit of a rhythm and that, so, um, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.800 I understand being anxious. I think where I'm at now 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.320 is I don't want to put one hundred and ninety 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.760 guys on a board. I just don't. It's very frustrating 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.520 to me because I grew up in a system where 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.680 we had one hundred and forty players, And when I 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.320 came to the Cowboys in ninety nine and they asked 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.600 me about this, like how many Larry lace Will my 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.919 boss of the Cowboys at time, God rest his soul, 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.320 one of the best bosses I've ever had here at 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.919 the Cowboys. And Larry goes, how many players did you 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.200 guys have on the board when you drafted to Green Bay? 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.119 I said one hundred forty one hundred forty five. He said, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.600 how did you do that? Didn't you feel like you 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.120 were going to run out of names? And I'm like, no, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.760 we always had, and it was always we had maybe 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.239 five or six guys left, you know, that's it. And 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.799 the Cowboys then we were Larry was trying to kind 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.960 of pair their board down. They had, I mean, they 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.680 had stacks and stacks and stacks of players in the round, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.200 and to me, I think you lose your focus when 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.680 you have that many names on your board. It's nice 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.200 to know all the names, but if you're putting a yeah, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.399 there's something you visually because there's gonna be a point 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.600 in time and we've done this for eleven years now, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.480 and I think done it better than anybody that covers 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.800 this thing. That you the questions you're going to ask 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.120 Aisha and Bobby and Zach and myself is who's the 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.680 best player you have left on your board? And if 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.880 you have one hundred and ninety something names, sometimes you 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.639 don't get the best player on the board. You've kind 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.399 of like, Okay, well, I think he's a fourth round 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.520 I think you know. I mean I'm talking literally like 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.119 the six seventh round guys. Not that you know, we've 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.400 seen six seventh round guys have great careers in the 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.800 national football Tom Brady one of the greatest ever to 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.360 have a sixth round draft, Turl Davis sixth round, you know, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.400 one of the great careers you'll ever have. But I'm 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.360 to the point now where I'm trying to think, Okay, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.920 who are my best one hundred and fifty players? Who 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.720 am I? Who am my guys that if you know, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.880 if it came down to is and we're a one 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.920 stop shop, we always talk about that. So there's gonna 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.640 be a lot of fans from other teams listening. I 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.000 want to be able to tell that fan, this is 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.040 the best player I have on my board right now. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.240 You know, in that way the people can kind of 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.600 when they fall along with us, they could say, oh, okay, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.320 they talked about this guy and not just have twenty 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.200 guys at a position. Parcels used to say, you can, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.080 I'm stacked in there like club sandwiches, you know, And 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.480 I'm like, I'm like, coach, you're right, you know, but 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.839 I think that's where I'm at right now with my board. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.120 So are you are you gonna hit two hundred? Are 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.360 you gonna watch? Oh? Yeah, I'm absolut of two hundred. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.520 I'm absolutely gonna do it. I'm just gonna keep watching 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.520 until they say I can't watch film anymore and they're 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.039 gonna make me draft. There you go. But I but 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.000 I just know, I just know it's gonna help me 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.960 personally when we get to day three and we're starting 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.039 to see and that's one of the beauties about you know, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.719 the thing will probably with the great Dane Burglar is Dane, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.520 you would have four hundred five hundred guys under, you know, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.520 and need to go back around and you're like, well, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.840 what tell us something about him? Dane? And you know, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.839 and Dane is fire off a report about news. Yeah, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.560 and you know, and that's the great think about what 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.200 the draft show is that we can talk about these 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.200 guys for three days. You know, everybody will have an 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.359 opinion about these guys for three days. But I'm to 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.520 the point now and I get what you guys are 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.800 talking about trying to I'm trying to run down some 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.040 names too, of like non combine guys and things like that. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.280 My conversations with with Dane Burglar, Like Dane, I need 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:29.320 five names that nobody knows about or nobody nobody's you know, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.640 off those workout sheets. Who's working out at a school, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.000 who's running a really fast forty at a school that 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.520 wasn't on our top one hundred, wasn't on our top 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.520 one fifty, that wasn't in our top two hundred. Yeah, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.680 give me those guys, because what's happened is well, I'm 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.040 talking a lot. I'm sorry, no, no, but I got 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.240 pep talk. But the but the thing about the thing 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.640 about it is when you get to those six and 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.440 seventh rounds, we're gonna be hunting traits. Yep, We're gonna 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.800 be hunting. He's Zach's gonna tell you he really he's 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.360 a tall long guy. His measurables are this, Aisha is 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.640 gonna tell me at Kansas Pro Day he ran a 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.200 four three six, and you're gonna and you're gonna say, Okay, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.800 I see why, because that's what teams do in the 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.279 sixth seventh round and that's what I'm trying to do 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.720 myself watching these guys six seventh round now is the 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.719 traits smart? Who are the traits players? You know, because 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.640 those are the guys that are gonna be coming off 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.120 that board in that on that day three when we 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 get we get down too, and then the conversation would 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.080 also become right, you don't want to get in a 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.280 bidding war with underrafted rookie free agent. You got that. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.680 I've always understood, like wanted to kind of know the 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.960 behind the scenes of that process, like how do you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.440 weigh the risk of all Right, we like this guy, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.119 we think that he has the traits, but we also 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.400 think maybe he'd be more of a hot commodity than 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.400 somebody else when it comes to now, I got to 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.160 compete with the Patriots, so I got to compete with 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.400 the Eagles or whoever just to sign this guy. Yeah, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.599 that's you know, it's a great point because what happened 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.279 to Chris Hall, who works as worked in the college 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.799 scouting department here since nineteen ninety has done a tremendous job. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.200 And one of the best examples ever was when I 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.520 was with him and he would not let the tag 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.080 of Tony Romo move out of the fifth round. The 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.320 scouts were trying to pre draft, adjust and move guys 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.080 that we could. Kind of the first thing they're going 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.440 to do in free agency is go after those guys 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.600 that are still on their board that are draft eligible, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.800 whether it's six seventh round, They're going to go drafted guys, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.840 priority free agents, and then just straight free agents. And 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.160 that's why the Cowboys have have a great history of 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.640 signing guys like a Tony Romo because a guy like 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.040 Chris Hall will not let that tag move. You know, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.000 all of a sudden, you start moving tags down, it's 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.320 like you lose focus of like who the best players 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.760 really are. And so you know, I mean, you know, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.320 you see Tony Romo in the fifth round and we 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.960 get into free agency. Sean Payton's been on the phone. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.760 Bill Parcels is on the phone, Jerry Jones is on 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.080 the phone. Those are the guys that you make the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.800 priority if you can't get to him in the draft. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.520 And to your point, Zach, when you get in the 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.440 sixth seventh round and you have these compensatories, these aren't 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.800 just wasted picks. These are guys that you don't want 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.000 to fight for in free agency. You don't want to 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.640 fight the Denver Broncos for a quarterback. You just hey, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.760 let's draft him, let's move on, and we'll be better 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.320 for it. And a lot of those guys they'll have 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.800 on the drafted list they'll bring in also for these 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.680 Dallas Days and these thirds coming up. Yea Marquis Bell 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.760 last year, he was an undrafted free agent. He was 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.400 a thirty visit guy. We got to sit down with 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.000 him and have a conversation. They had him tour in 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.360 the Star. So that way, whenever that phone rings and 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.679 it is a Jerry Jones or a Mike McCarthy or 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.760 whoever it may be, there's a quicker opportunity to maybe 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.839 try and get something done there and get him in 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.360 the building. Yeah. The thing about too, the Dallas Days 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.960 stuff is that it gives them the opportunity for like 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.160 the local kids to come in and work out and 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.880 you know, and get some face time with you know, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.480 with the scouting staff, get to see the facility. But 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.679 more importantly, if they work out well, the coaches are like, man, 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.480 when we need to get a physical on this guy 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.440 because maybe he didn't get to go to the combine. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.920 You know, maybe it's one of those things like because 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.360 the last thing you want to do, you're not going 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.440 to put a tag on the board unless you have 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.760 an idea medically what that player is. And that's what 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.520 Dallas Day gives them an opportunity. If there's those two 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.120 or three players that they really like, they can get 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.880 a physical on him right after the Dallas Day and 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.760 then that way they have the medical information to be 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:27.640 able to put that tag up on the board. Dallas 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.040 Day is Thursday, the thirty first, and when we get 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.280 Bobby Bell back tomorrow, well let's run through some of 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.960 the names tomorrow about maybe who could maybe hit who 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.280 maybe the Cowboys could be interested. It's a great advantage 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.440 that the Cowboys have the players. And I don't know 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.200 if it's changing. It used to be the fifty mile 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.240 radius so you really can't get but if the player 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.920 is now from say the player with the school at 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.120 usc and he's from Dallas. He can work out because 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.160 he's from Dallas. Marvin Mims, Yeah exactly, Yeah down here. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.800 There used to be a time like the team's like, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.320 you know, Miami would have a huge advantage, Dallas would 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.960 have a huge advantage. Los Angeles would have a huge 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.280 advantage because of the radius that they could bring players 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.480 in off that Green Bay. We didn't have very much 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:16.200 of advantage. Rose, Well, I'm sorry, No, was Malik David 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.880 is a thirty day visit guy? I don't remember. Let 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.800 me go back in final question. I don't think he was. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.319 He was? Was he? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, from Florida? Right, yeah, yeah, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.520 they were definitely interested. No, no, I remember because Pierce was. No, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.120 it wasn't. You're right, it was David was Davis because 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.520 Bobby Bobby Belt came on. Bobby Belt came on on 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.960 one oh five three the fan we were talking about 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.520 this and he goes, you need to do some just 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.800 like what we're talking about that last give me the 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.679 player one ninety, Malik Davis. Ye, that's player one ninety 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.160 on your board right there. And it's because Bobby Belt 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.440 told me. It's like Brian, you gotta do some work. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.199 On this Malik Davis. I'm like, well, they've got two 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.040 other running backs. You got to look at a Florida 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.880 No no, no, no no, do some work on Malie David. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.120 Then all of a sudden, the board, the board got 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.760 out and people like and then you saw the name 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:10.480 alike Davis, and you went, oh, okay, this makes sense. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.360 It makes sense now Bobby was on that and that's 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:14.800 you know, that's how you can kind of kind of 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.320 get a live of the gauge. Yeah, and you talked 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.360 about undrafted free agents and just um, you know, the 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.439 Cowboys wanted to kind of hop on them early. I 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.439 mean when you look at even a guy like Peyton 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.760 Hendershott who talked about Casey being on the phone and 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.280 some other teams being on the phone, Cowboys showed interest 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.400 him in him early. And he was saying that it's 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.560 funny when you listened to him with Hayley's interviews that 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.000 he talked about um, Jake Ferguson and him just kind 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.720 of having that competition between each other, and I just 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.760 I just see your point was one of the first 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.400 things I thought about. I was like, oh, yeah, they 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.560 were really on his rate. Well, he was on their 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.400 radar and they took care of that early right away. Sure, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.600 you wouldn't have He may be in Kansas City, probably 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.920 would be right that probably would be thinking about Kelsey. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.840 So Brian was mentioning how the list is now shifting 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.680 from combine guys to non combine guys, and you agreed 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.079 with him, and that's kind of where you're headed. Has 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.960 there been a name that has stood out to you 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.200 outside of that list so far? Has there been anybody 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.319 that that has come to mind for you that's maybe 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.200 those traits, those opportunities to maybe get an opportunity. Well, actually, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.000 this gentleman was just brought to my attention as of 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.080 late NC State Guard Steve Avala. Is that how you 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.520 pronounced this last name? Yeah, it's not. It's not the 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.439 Steve of Vilas, the TCU guard. So there's another we 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.480 gotta we gotta a similar steam. Yes, if I'm not mistake, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.280 I want to make sure I say there's a Chandlers 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.280 of Vala. Okay, my bad Chandlers. I have watched it 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.559 was it was late listen, it was um but I 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.120 was watching him and it's so much because there's so 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.920 much conversation about cowboys. Possibly taking guard and how they 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.559 could go whatever the case may be. And when you 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.400 look at Steve a Villa, who a lot of the people, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.679 a lot of people have been talking about, I don't 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.280 I wouldn't be mad if this gentleman was like a 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.240 third round Okay, was a particular trait you liked in 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.800 the player with him? Um so I said he has 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.839 the ability, like Tyler Smith, to completely turn a guy. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.840 Um I think you can make your left side better 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.160 in pass protection. I think he does. He wins with reach, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.360 he does have power. Um. I also said that he 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.000 has some bite to his game. He has there's a 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.800 there's a I don't know, there's a ferocity to his 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.520 game that I appreciate. And when you just started looking 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.560 at I mean I just started looking at some of 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.400 the traits and some of the things about him. He 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.839 suffered a back injury last year, well in twenty twenty 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.959 one that I think had people kind of weirded out 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.880 about him. But he killed his pro day, Brian, he 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.600 killed his pro day the other day. Let me be 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.959 talking about um let me see I put it down. Yes, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:58.160 So it sounds like he had thirty bench reps U 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.080 thirty two and a half vertical um five five point 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.199 zero one forty yard dash. His cone drill was seven 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.520 point seven point five six the three cone drill and 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.679 four point five three short shuttle. So he has a 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.600 little bit of explosive numbers. Exactly has some explosiveness to him. Um, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.320 he's really raw in a sense like he hasn't been 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.680 playing but he's only been playing ball for six years. Yeah, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:26.040 I believe if I'm not mistaken. So, but he has 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.640 ye has the trades, but he has a little bit 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.760 more than that. Yeah, it's a little bit more than 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.040 that to where if you plugged him and he got 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.400 the right coaching, this guy could be a dude. This 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.000 guy could be a dude. Now, one thing I will 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.040 say about him is that, Um, he could finish better. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.720 He could finish better, he could finish his blocks better. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.400 But there's some savvy to his game and I just 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.160 like the power he plays with. I think he could 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.880 be next to a Tyler Smith. Could be a very 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.080 good guard if you decided to with coaching, if you 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.040 decided to go that route. And he was brought to 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.640 my attention, I've been seeing a lot of people talk 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:05.400 about Chandler Zavala, the one note I have on him. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.120 So if if they want to bring him in this 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.320 this sounds great. His father, Demitrio Zavala, was a two 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.840 time champion of the cooking show Chopped. Yes, yes, so 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.200 bring him in the building, get him in, let's go 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.920 in here and to that point, to that point. Um, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.720 one thing about him, this this guy, if I'm not staken, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.120 I believe he is. Um. Yeah. So yeah. The thing 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.440 about him though, also is that he really has focused 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.640 on his diet. Yeah, okay, I said that his father 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.560 is one of the reasons that has helped him stay, 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.280 stay in shape, stay you know, stay fits, stay lean, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 but you know, to play this position at a high level. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.520 This is an intelligent guy. He's a graduate student. He's 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.880 just I think also the character is there. These are 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.160 all things you're looking for, Brian, when you're looking at 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.440 these bottom these the way day three guys, Yeah, the 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.720 way the way that she described the player to me 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.440 would would make me want to go, Now I have 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.760 to go look at this player and yeah, now I 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.600 have to go figure out like, okay, where does he 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.000 fit in? You know? Is this guy? Is this guy 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.160 you know a top one fifty player? Is this guy 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.840 you know? That now you have to figure out where 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.360 he is on your board as compared to others. And 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.280 let's be honest, I feel like that this guard group 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.840 is kind of a top heavy group. You know, if 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.600 you go down in the middle of it, you're there's 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.400 a lot of projections. Yeah, this guy is a tackle. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.080 We're gonna have to move him to guard. This guy's 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.560 a short armed guy. The best guard in the draft 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:36.360 is supposedly the guy from Northwestern Tackle. But he's a tackle, right, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.400 you know, And that's and that's the thing about it 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.040 is you you're you're at that point now where Okay, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.280 if the guy's got the lenked, if he's got the trades, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.800 if he's got the lateral slide to him, is he 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.080 better than some of these guards that we've seen, like 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.080 in the fourth fifth round. Yeah. And actually, I think 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.120 Dane tweeted that he was surprised that he didn't get 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.520 a lot of people were surprised if he didn't get 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.280 to invite. So for the fact that he killed his 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.760 pro day, Yeah, definitely has He's probably gonna move up 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.560 some boards. But I I just would not get mad 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.800 when you talk about Steve a Villa and how people 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.840 are just like, oh yeah, he would really fit in stuff. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.560 I'm like, this dude got a lot of that. But 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.639 also to it, I think he just has a little 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.120 bit more bite to him and he wouldn't cost as 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.520 much to get either. Absolutely think about that. You can 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.040 get him in day three as opposed to spending a 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.639 high end first round pick. Too, young guy, not a 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.600 whole bunch of I don't know, just bad stuff, like 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.160 because he hasn't had a lot of time to tread 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.719 on the tire, and you could get him in here 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.600 and get him, you know, get him some coaching and 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.480 maybe get with Duke like all these other guys, and 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.720 you might have a real hard prospect on your hands. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.520 So I really like him. I watched him for a 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.240 while last night because I want to make sure we're 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.000 talking about guard. Possibly, Yeah, I think guard right now. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.280 If you look at where the Cowboys would go, that's 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.680 probably the biggest need, the biggest uncertainty. You know, who's 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.280 gonna play left guard. We got the Terrence Steel rumors 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.000 that are out there right now. You have Farniak who's 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.879 still in the building. But yea, if they don't address 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.560 that at twenty six, where do you go at guard. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.280 There's a couple of guys maybe that you could look at, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.600 but but you're right, it's not You're not in love 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.800 with a lot of these guys. The one thing that 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.240 we've learned about this organization, if you let them pick 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.640 an offensive lineman laite in the first round, they'll hit 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.200 they'll hit on him and they know that. Yeah, and 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.320 they do know that. They do know that. Some of 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.320 the guys that I've seen and I always look for 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.560 the versatility right because they seem to like that. Now, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.600 who knows you have a new offensive line coaching Mike's 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.600 Lari Brian. We've talked a lot about that on the 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.600 g Bag Nation. But like Jared Patterson Notre Dame, if 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.320 you wanted to wait, that might be a guy that 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.040 is a center, right center and play played both there, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.119 so he's got that versatility. I thought he looked pretty 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.040 good as a wide Basse plays with a good leverage 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.160 and technique, rarely loses position, and I think Notre Dame 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.080 pumps out good offensive lineman typically. That's a school that 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.119 I would go back to. And then I liked what 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.880 I saw from Anthony Bradford, your LSU tiger there. Yeah, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.800 I thought he was impressive in that SEC championship game 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.440 against Jalen Corder, and not many people were I put 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.480 him as a potential Cowboys fit in the draft. Yeah, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.800 I could see that. I really liked Bradford. Two, there's 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.240 another guy that I liked as a center that's probably 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.560 a Day three early Day three guy, Michigan center Ola 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.880 Sagan Olawatami. Yes, yeah, you've seen him so far. I'm 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.640