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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, March twenty ninth, and we are officially

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Speaker 1: under a month away from the NFL Draft. We are

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Speaker 1: twenty nine days away from the selections of the first

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Speaker 1: round in Kansas City, Missouri. We are the Draft Show

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Speaker 1: presented by Miller Lite, the official beer of the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: the only beer the Dallas Cowboys. It's Miller times. We're

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Speaker 1: back here with Brian Broddis, Zach Wilchuck Ayesha Morrison. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's nobody built today, but he will be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How's everybody doing? Oh Jesus well, because you you saw Penny,

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Speaker 1: because you could have just said a month? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to say to thunder? A month? It is flying by.

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Speaker 1: It's starting to get to crunch time here, it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching players during the gbag nation now, nice, I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to fit in as many as I can.

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Speaker 1: You weren't doing that before h no, I would like

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Speaker 1: go home. And now now that we're a month, we're

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Speaker 1: a month in, I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't

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Speaker 1: sneak up on you. I don't want to get to

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Speaker 1: day three. I gotta try crame as many as I can.

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Speaker 1: The other day, Brian, I was even sitting there and

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Speaker 1: I was right in the draft magazine, as I know

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Speaker 1: you have done plenty of times before, and I was

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Speaker 1: sitting there. I was like, man, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: NFL combine, and it feels like it was yesterday. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't yesterday, that was three or four weeks ago, already

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Speaker 1: like it's coming and going. I usually study one hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety guys. Oh no, I met one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ninety guys right now, and I got a month month ago.

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Speaker 1: I just I got into a mode where they were

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Speaker 1: just you know, they were they were able. You get

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Speaker 1: the film and you just kind of go through them

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Speaker 1: and you're getting a little bit of a rhythm and that, so, um,

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Speaker 1: I understand being anxious. I think where I'm at now

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Speaker 1: is I don't want to put one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: guys on a board. I just don't. It's very frustrating

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Speaker 1: to me because I grew up in a system where

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Speaker 1: we had one hundred and forty players, And when I

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Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys in ninety nine and they asked

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Speaker 1: me about this, like how many Larry lace Will my

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Speaker 1: boss of the Cowboys at time, God rest his soul,

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Speaker 1: one of the best bosses I've ever had here at

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And Larry goes, how many players did you

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Speaker 1: guys have on the board when you drafted to Green Bay?

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Speaker 1: I said one hundred forty one hundred forty five. He said,

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Speaker 1: how did you do that? Didn't you feel like you

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Speaker 1: were going to run out of names? And I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: we always had, and it was always we had maybe

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Speaker 1: five or six guys left, you know, that's it. And

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys then we were Larry was trying to kind

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Speaker 1: of pair their board down. They had, I mean, they

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Speaker 1: and to me, I think you lose your focus when

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Speaker 1: you have that many names on your board. It's nice

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Speaker 1: there's something you visually because there's gonna be a point

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Speaker 1: in time and we've done this for eleven years now,

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Speaker 1: and I think done it better than anybody that covers

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Speaker 1: this thing. That you the questions you're going to ask

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Speaker 1: Aisha and Bobby and Zach and myself is who's the

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Speaker 1: best player you have left on your board? And if

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Speaker 1: you have one hundred and ninety something names, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: of like, Okay, well, I think he's a fourth round

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Speaker 1: I think you know. I mean I'm talking literally like

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Speaker 1: the six seventh round guys. Not that you know, we've

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Speaker 1: seen six seventh round guys have great careers in the

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Speaker 1: national football Tom Brady one of the greatest ever to

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Speaker 1: have a sixth round draft, Turl Davis sixth round, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the great careers you'll ever have. But I'm

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Speaker 1: to the point now where I'm trying to think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who are my best one hundred and fifty players? Who

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Speaker 1: if it came down to is and we're a one

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Speaker 1: You know, in that way the people can kind of

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Speaker 1: they talked about this guy and not just have twenty

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Speaker 1: So are you are you gonna hit two hundred? Are

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely gonna do it. I'm just gonna keep watching

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Speaker 1: gonna make me draft. There you go. But I but

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Speaker 1: I just know, I just know it's gonna help me

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Speaker 1: personally when we get to day three and we're starting

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Speaker 1: the thing will probably with the great Dane Burglar is Dane,

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Speaker 1: what tell us something about him? Dane? And you know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and that's the great think about what

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Speaker 1: My conversations with with Dane Burglar, Like Dane, I need

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Speaker 1: five names that nobody knows about or nobody nobody's you know,

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Speaker 1: off those workout sheets. Who's working out at a school,

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Speaker 1: who's running a really fast forty at a school that

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Speaker 1: wasn't on our top one hundred, wasn't on our top

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Speaker 1: give me those guys, because what's happened is well, I'm

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Speaker 1: myself watching these guys six seventh round now is the

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Speaker 1: I've always understood, like wanted to kind of know the

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Speaker 1: weigh the risk of all Right, we like this guy,

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Speaker 1: we think that he has the traits, but we also

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Speaker 1: the Eagles or whoever just to sign this guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's you know, it's a great point because what happened

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Speaker 1: to Chris Hall, who works as worked in the college

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Speaker 1: scouting department here since nineteen ninety has done a tremendous job.

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Speaker 1: And one of the best examples ever was when I

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Speaker 1: Chris Hall will not let that tag move. You know,

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcels is on the phone, Jerry Jones is on

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Speaker 1: And to your point, Zach, when you get in the

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Speaker 1: a thirty visit guy. We got to sit down with

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Speaker 1: an idea medically what that player is. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Dallas Day gives them an opportunity. If there's those two

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Speaker 1: then that way they have the medical information to be

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Speaker 1: Day is Thursday, the thirty first, and when we get

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bell back tomorrow, well let's run through some of

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Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys could be interested. It's a great advantage

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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have the players. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's changing. It used to be the fifty mile

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Speaker 1: he's from Dallas. Marvin Mims, Yeah exactly, Yeah down here.

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Speaker 1: There used to be a time like the team's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Miami would have a huge advantage, Dallas would

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Speaker 1: just I think also the character is there. These are

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Speaker 1: a lot of projections. Yeah, this guy is a tackle.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to move him to guard. This guy's

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Speaker 1: I would go back to. And then I liked what

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Speaker 1: I thought he was impressive in that SEC championship game

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Speaker 1: I could see that. I really liked Bradford. Two, there's

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Speaker 1: him as four behind Patterson Wipler from Ohio State, who

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Speaker 1: this dude just seems like he is gonna wear you

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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he dropped that anchor. And when

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Speaker 1: you talk about the Cowboys in particular, or any organization

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Speaker 1: right now, people are looking for a guy that maybe

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Speaker 1: if something happens, I can move you. This guy's played tackle,

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Speaker 1: maybe not at the again, he went to North Dakota State,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of people I think are worried about

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Speaker 1: if the tackle position was if he saw the best competition.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to neutralize that, maybe move him

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Speaker 1: and let him get busy. But I'm telling you just

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Speaker 1: the way that he just stops people in their tracks.

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Speaker 1: I just he's mean, Yeah, he's looking to apply punish.

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Speaker 1: Why I said, I said, he has a little more

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Speaker 1: violence in his game than a VisiC and this is

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Speaker 1: an easy comp because they're both FCS guys. But he

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Speaker 1: reminds me of the motor and the mentality of a

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Speaker 1: Trevor Penning from last year North ohioway. The size, size

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Speaker 1: is not there, no no question. Kind of like him

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Speaker 1: more than Penning, do you. Yeah, it's different because Penning

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Speaker 1: was a tackle. But I like Cody Mauk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than I like Penning. I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: not as risky if if I were looking at Mauk,

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Speaker 1: the competition doesn't necessarily bother me too too much. It's

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Speaker 1: it's more so the size. And I kept him at

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Speaker 1: tackle just because that's where he played. I completely understand

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Speaker 1: moving him to guard. I actually think he would fit

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Speaker 1: better at guard, but I kept him at tackle just

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Speaker 1: because that's kind of what I think teams would do initially,

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Speaker 1: but then move him. He was waited at three o

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Speaker 1: two with a combine. That's my biggest concern is are

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Speaker 1: you gonna put somebody at three o two on the

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Speaker 1: outside and let him ride. No, you're probably gonna give

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Speaker 1: him some help and you're gonna push him the guard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't. I don't think he'd played tackle, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I think we actually talked about it earlier. The playing

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Speaker 1: center might play center. Yeah, that'd be interesting just to think. Granted,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about, he may not be, he may

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Speaker 1: not be the best tackle, but the idea that he

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Speaker 1: can play it, that he can play it, Yeah, then

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Speaker 1: you can exactly. And so he's someone I circle back

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Speaker 1: to because I was like, if we're talking about guard,

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Speaker 1: I want to see who's the who could be the

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Speaker 1: best at that? And I think he could be. I

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Speaker 1: different conversation. No, I love him, might be right. I

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Speaker 1: I think you'd have to maybe take him at twenty

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Speaker 1: all the time. Bringing all these linebackers that we don't

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Speaker 1: Here you go, all right, Our first question comes from Cofax.

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Speaker 1: He says, can you tell me why tight end is

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Speaker 1: talked about as an early need? Didn't Ferguson and Hindershot

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Speaker 1: show enough last season to try and prove that they

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Speaker 1: are good enough for this organization to survive with Zach

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Speaker 1: will start with you, Yes they did. But I think

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys a lot of this offseason we've talked

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Speaker 1: about they want to add a playmaker on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the football. And as we've talked about on

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Speaker 1: the Draft show, wide receiver is not as deep as

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Speaker 1: we're accustomed to seeing in the last few drafts. And

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Speaker 1: it's very likely that in the first round, if you

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Speaker 1: want to add an offensive weapon, the best player is

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Speaker 1: going to be a tight end. And that's why we're

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Speaker 1: talking about tight ends. How can you help the offense?

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Speaker 1: How can you add another pass catcher? And Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: loves the third of the tight end, And I think

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Speaker 1: all of these guys at the top of the draft

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Speaker 1: are better players than what you currently have. And it's

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Speaker 1: not a slight on fergus Shot. I think both of

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Speaker 1: them have tremendous upside. I like Jake Ferguson a lot

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Speaker 1: come out of Wisconsin, but I think we would all

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Speaker 1: look at Adulton can aid A, Michael Mayer, a Musgrove

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Speaker 1: out of Oregon State and think they are better players

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Speaker 1: than what you have currently right now. And there's no

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Speaker 1: better mismatch on the field if you have a good

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Speaker 1: tight end to take advantage of. And all of those guys,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, have traits to where linebackers aren't going

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Speaker 1: to be able to cover them. You're going to have

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Speaker 1: to put his safety up there. There's so many things

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Speaker 1: you go twelve thirteen personnel. I think we all had

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun with the Cowboys using those bigger

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Speaker 1: formations last year. At the end of the year, we're

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Speaker 1: thinking where they go? Why aren't you using the tight

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Speaker 1: ends more? This is all things. Just because you take

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Speaker 1: one doesn't mean fergus shot. It's not going to be

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Speaker 1: out there Ferguson and hendershot. But you now add another weapon,

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Speaker 1: and if you can't get that at receiver, why not

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Speaker 1: take that at tight end. I think if you have

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Speaker 1: some people in the organization, they would think that Hendershot

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Speaker 1: might be better than Ferguson, and they feel like that

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Speaker 1: that to me, that that we're putting both these guys

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Speaker 1: together and there's really one guy that's clearly better than

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Speaker 1: the other, then okay, so that nind go out and

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Speaker 1: add another guy. They you know, everybody we like I say,

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Speaker 1: we put these two guys together, and we've seen production

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Speaker 1: with both. But you've talked to people in the organization,

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Speaker 1: they will tell you that that that potentially that Hindershot

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Speaker 1: is better than Ferguson. Wow, And to add another one

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Speaker 1: to try and be better than Ferguson, now that gives

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Speaker 1: you two legit. Nothing against Ferguson. We've seen, We've seen

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Speaker 1: productive games and productive catches. But I just keep hearing

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Speaker 1: the name Hindershot, Hindershot, Hindershot, Hintershot a lot more than

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Speaker 1: I'm here in Ferguson. So going out and getting a

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Speaker 1: tight end, that's that's something to them that they're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we could go at another guy that could be way better,

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Speaker 1: way better than the guy that we drafted last year.

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Speaker 1: Now the pushback right and in nishi Wanter reviewerie On

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Speaker 1: this is you can still find a pretty darn good

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Speaker 1: tight end outside of the first round. If you wanted

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Speaker 1: to wait because there are some guys that I like class.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very deep, but the tight end might

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Speaker 1: be arguably the deepest position outside of running back in

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Speaker 1: this draft. But I mean you can look at Josh

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Speaker 1: Wiley at a Cincinnati, who's a really good player. You know.

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Speaker 1: Samuela Porta from Iowa is a guy that people just

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Speaker 1: seem to love because of his characteristics off the field.

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Speaker 1: Luke Schoonmaker, I think at of Michigan is a guy

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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would probably like. He kind of fits

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Speaker 1: what they want to do. I liked what I saw

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Speaker 1: from Brenton Strange at a Penn State. Yeah. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was a kid that should probably have gotten more

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Speaker 1: playing time and they should have used him more within

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Speaker 1: that offense. Yeah. And then also too, I mean you

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Speaker 1: zat Koons. Yeah, the old dominion, and I think he

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Speaker 1: sneakily might be one of the more athletic guys. Says well,

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Speaker 1: so if you you want to, you know, um, But

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Speaker 1: to your point, no, I agree. I feel like with

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Speaker 1: the tied end position also, you ask kind of like,

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Speaker 1: is that is what we be? Okay with it? And

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Speaker 1: it looks like across the league, like you want to

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Speaker 1: just keep adding to that room, like you want to

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Speaker 1: keep add into that room and continue that term because

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Speaker 1: like you said, like and also to the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: coaches here. Yeah, one of Wells a fantastic coach. Nda

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Speaker 1: Wells might be. There's there's the side of me that

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Speaker 1: believes that Linda Wells might be the best offensive line

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Speaker 1: coach in the building. And he's coaching tight ends. That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I and I and I'll I'm not I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: I'll back you up on it. Coach. This guy can coach,

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Speaker 1: and guys want to play for him. Yeah, and absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and I'm surprised that they didn't they didn't push him

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Speaker 1: in that direction. But this guy can coach. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you you know, you put another you

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Speaker 1: put another quality guy with him. He you know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's guys like like you're drafting defensive lineman here. You know,

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Speaker 1: you put you know, you put a d on these guys,

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Speaker 1: you put Dan Quinn on these These guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: get better, you know. Don't don't be fearful of like, hey,

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Speaker 1: why are we adding another tight end? No, you're adding

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Speaker 1: another tight end. It's damn good they can get his

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Speaker 1: ass coached off by one of these guys. That'll make

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Speaker 1: him even better. That's that's that's what's going on around here.

639
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: There's some questions about some coaches I have, but there's

640
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: like a guy like Wells and some of those guys

641
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: Quinn Nah, I got no questions about those guys coaching ball.

642
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: Ye teams don't got no safety, don't have a jam

643
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Rock cars to deal with a tight end that can

644
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: just do whatever they want to do in the middle

645
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: of field. So I'm just saying, like I understand the

646
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: tight end kind of people say it as a waste.

647
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: They say it's not a waste, a waste, it's not

648
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: a waste in the way we play football in this

649
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: day and no, I mean, are you telling me you're

650
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: not trying to go hunting out there to try and

651
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: get your own Mark Andrews or Travis Kelsey or Darren Waller.

652
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: There's only a select few beasts at the position. If

653
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: you can add one of those to your football team,

654
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: it's an invaluable type of resource. And these guys have

655
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: the type of potential that we're talking about in the

656
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: first round where it's rare, and I understand there's a

657
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: lot of first round tight ends that have missed, But

658
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: just because they've missed historically, it doesn't mean they're gonna

659
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: miss now. I mean, t J. Hawkinson's a heck of

660
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: a player. He was a first round tight end, right,

661
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: So it's not all first round tight ends just turned

662
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: out to be bus No. It's like that with any

663
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: other position. I mean, for every Patrick Mahomes that was

664
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: a first round pick, there was a Mitch Trubisky that

665
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: was picked before him. It happens, busts happened. The thing

666
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: with tight end is that people like you said, they

667
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: don't think there's value in tight end. I keep going

668
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: back to this point. I've said it on multiple shows,

669
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: but look at the three of the four teams that

670
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: made the conference championship games, they probably have three of

671
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: the four top tight ends in the entire country. That's

672
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Dallas Goddard has respectfully become one of

673
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the better tight ends in league. You can just see

674
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: the top four or five tight ends. The coaching, the versatility,

675
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: what he can do in the screen game, and he

676
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: can just change. He really changed that offense and when

677
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. You could tell he wasn't there. I

678
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: could old Kelsey all these guys, I mean even Andrews.

679
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have a quarterback, but he was still

680
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: balling out. So made it happen, all right? Rowdy wants

681
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: to know about potential trade up, stay or trade down scenarios.

682
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Which one would you be more likely to go for.

683
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Would you rather go up and get somebody Brian or

684
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you want to stay back? What's what's on your mind?

685
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested. We did a we looked at

686
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: a mock draft Mike Tannenbaum's mock draft yesterday from ESPN

687
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Speaker 1: on our show on one oh five three the Fan,

688
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: and we were trying to figure out spots to go

689
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: to if there's certain players that fell to you. I

690
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: know that that Zach really does like Jackson Smith and

691
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Jigbu and so I was trying to figure out, Okay,

692
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Speaker 1: if he got to your spot at you know, twenty one,

693
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Speaker 1: if he got to the not to your spot, but

694
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Speaker 1: he got to twenty one, if he got to twenty three,

695
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, how would would you be comfortable. You're probably

696
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to overpay. You're gonna have to overpay and

697
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you and it's funny, the higher

698
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: up you go, the more of the overpay it is.

699
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: But you want to go to say you want to

700
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: go to twenty one, the charges I mentioned them, that's

701
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna cost you. That's going to cost you your third

702
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: round pick yep, that's gonna I mean, that's just the

703
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: straight that it's a it's a it's an overpay. It's

704
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: an overpay by forty points. Yeah, because you're you're twenty

705
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: six is worth seven hundred if we're looking at the

706
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: trade charts right, twenty one is worth eight hundreds. So

707
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you gotta make up one hundred points and then overpay

708
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. How bad you want one of these guys?

709
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: And you're you're in a situation too, even when you

710
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: want to move up. Say you're looking at you're looking

711
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. You know it's only in Minnesota. It's a

712
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: sixty point thing, but you're talking about potentially giving up

713
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: your four and you're five to having to go do that.

714
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm I how it's gonna have to

715
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: be for one of these glass eaters that I like

716
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's gonna have to be if I'm

717
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: gonna go make this move. It's now. And the reason

718
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: we talked about this is because Carter, the defensive tackle

719
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: from Georgia, made it on on Mike's board, Cannons Bomb's board.

720
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Speaker 1: He made it to eighteen. Do you guys want to

721
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: go get the best defensive tackle in the draft. Yeah,

722
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: And that's the best shot we got is he's going

723
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: to get to eighteen. We're talking about maybe the best

724
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: player in the draft. It's a two hundred point jump. Yeah.

725
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: So now now you're sitting there and you're thinking, all right,

726
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: you know, do we want to go do this? We

727
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: want to go from twenty six to eighteen to go

728
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: get the best defensive tackle in the draft. As an organization,

729
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: we've got to make that. We've got to make that call,

730
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, because that's probably the closest he's going to

731
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: get to us sure without having to massively go up

732
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the board to go get a guy. So that's that's

733
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: the thing. When you do these mock drafts when they

734
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: used to, when we used to sit in there, we

735
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: did all these scenarios and people got mad at me

736
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: for pointing something. Mount a guy did a mock draft

737
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: where Will Levis ended up at the Cowboys at twenty six.

738
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: I used to create mock drafts where all of a sudden,

739
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you have to be prepared if a player

740
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect to fall. I don't care who

741
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: it is, Will Levis Hinting Hook or whoever it is,

742
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: if a quarterback falls to you, you have to be

743
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: prepared to say, yes, we would take this guy, or no,

744
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: we wouldn't. It's not about Daka. It's about taking getting

745
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: a position, like getting a player that you didn't think

746
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: you were going to have a chance to get. You know,

747
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: now you go up, that's going to cost you something.

748
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: The thing about going back, you don't want to. I

749
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: don't think they want to lose that fifth year option

750
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: on any of these players. People like, well, gosh, just

751
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: trade out of the round. I don't think they want

752
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: to lose that. They're gonna deal with that right now.

753
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: With Diggs. They picked Digs in the second round, but

754
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: at the time of the CD LAMB Draft, Diggs was

755
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: a guy if they got I remember coming on on

756
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: one O five three in Dallas Cowboys dot Com seeing

757
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: if they got wiped out, Diggs would be in consideration.

758
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: At seventeen, I bet you they wish they had that

759
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: fifth year option on Diggs right now because that they're

760
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: about to have to deal with a contract here. I

761
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: don't see them falling out of the round, but I

762
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: also don't see them going up in the round. Yeah,

763
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: you got to be ready for it. I'm with you.

764
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that it's unlikely they make the move up

765
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: right because you're not making a move up for Bijan.

766
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: They love the draft. Yeah, and to give up to

767
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: your point when we did the exercise yesterday, you're having

768
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: to overpay. You're having to give up an extra fourth

769
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: to make the points work to be up, to be

770
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: able to get up and get there like Jalen Carter.

771
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: For me, that might be the only player that I

772
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: would really do it for. So you would considered at

773
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: eighteen if you could, definitely would because I think he's

774
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: the best player in the draft and I think he's

775
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: going to help the entire defense. That would take either

776
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: your third, probably your third, and your fourth to get there.

777
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: It is probably and that that even point wise, is

778
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: even your short ada And it hurts, right, it hurts.

779
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: But if you're able to get a guy that if

780
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: on my board he's number one you can go up

781
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: and get him at eighteen and think about how that's

782
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: going to impact the rest of your defense. It's keeping

783
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: your linebackers clean now. Right, He's able to get you

784
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: pressure from the middle. That's what makes him different from

785
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: a Jordan Davis who was a freak show from right

786
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Jaalen Carter can be a three down play right. He's

787
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: a guy that can stop the run for you. He's

788
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: a force in the middle. He can get pressure from

789
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the pocket as well. And to me,

790
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's going to impact every single level

791
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: behind him in your defense to where I see it

792
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: being worth it to move up and getting a player

793
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: of that caliber. I have a question, yes, is there

794
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: is there a possibility that there is an an edge

795
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: that if they felt, if they felt you would be

796
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: willing to trade up for. I'll ask you this question

797
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: back to you there, miss Patty. What I'm not the question?

798
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that they're good at defensive end

799
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: right now with who they currently have on the right

800
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: and and it's almost like a trick question because there's

801
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: a couple of one year guys on contract. I was

802
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: doing I was carrying the two I was doing mad Um. Well,

803
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: because you saw the emergence of Sam Williams, right, Bob Back,

804
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler. Right, you got maybe a couple more years

805
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: of tank You got Armstrong for a year, right Armstrong?

806
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: But Armstrong is a not one dimensional but he's in that,

807
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: he's that Tweeter Parnacles. Are you considering Michael Parson as

808
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: an edge at this point? That's that's the question that

809
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: now you now? Yeah, yes, because are you now looking

810
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: for someone to pair Michael? We used to say, is

811
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: there someone to pair Tanker? Are we looking for someone

812
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: to pair Michael with? Or is it just let's see

813
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: how good do you feel about all those guys that

814
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you just ran through. I think you could get I

815
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: think you could get help at Edge. Okay, so you're in.

816
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: You're in on Edge, Barnacles, I don't know about, I

817
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't know about in the first round. It

818
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: way is that's what we're talking about. We'll talk about

819
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: one of your time guys. Because name your top three guys,

820
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: my top three top three Rush Edge Rush Okay, so

821
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: it would be Um probably Wilson Anderson, Yeah, yeah, we

822
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Speaker 1: will Anderson of course, Um Alabama, Alabama, My bad questions,

823
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: who's your third Barnacles, that's the hard one. Smith isn't

824
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy? Which one is your Zacht Murphy is to

825
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: me the better all around player, Nolan Smith. I think

826
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Speaker 1: Nolan Smith has some Micah Parsons in him exactly. I

827
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: think he's a better pass rusher. I love Miles Murphy.

828
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Speaker 1: I think he's getting undervalued in this entire process. I

829
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: see him sliding like he slid an arm Mark draft.

830
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, Miles Murthy's a hell of

831
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: a player. I love him. I think he's a stud.

832
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: But in the Tannenbaum draft, Nolan Smith was picked after

833
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: you were picked. I would have taken Nolan Smith and

834
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: no Smith. And he took the tight end Mayre because

835
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: because King Kaid was gone. Yeah, so he took the

836
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: He took the tight end from Notre Dame at twenty

837
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: sid don't panic like that, give me give me Nolan Like,

838
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever have enough enough edge rushers.

839
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday on the show. It's to me, like,

840
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I get it. Your your roster right now, you're not

841
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: you're not screaming for help, but the position you're okay.

842
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: Six months from now, how are we going to be

843
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: feeling about that tank? I mean, I love DeMarcus Lawrence.

844
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gotten enough credit, much like

845
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: a Tyron Crawford when he was here for the player

846
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: that he had all those positions when it comes to

847
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: just being a well round be Tyler Smith stud Yeah. Amen.

848
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: But if you can get a guy like Nolan Smith,

849
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: and there's some other guys that I like. I mean,

850
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I think Bjo Glari doesn't get talked about enough. I'm

851
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: a big fan of here, like him too, An Lsu

852
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: as well. If you wanted to wait, you could tell.

853
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about Felix Uzoma from Kansas State.

854
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: I think she's talking about it. I think she's talking

855
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: about an age of twenty six. Nolan Smith would be

856
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: the only guy it If Will McDonald's there, you think

857
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: somebody gonna act the fool for you think it would

858
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: be DQ. That's why That's what I'm saying, Dan standing

859
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: on the table, are you are you? Are you telling

860
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: us something we need to know? I'm a I'm saying

861
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: that you live in this building too. I'm saying that

862
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: with Edge in particular. I also think that Chauncey Gholston

863
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: has changed some of this conversation because Chauncey was brought

864
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: in to be an edge, but I think it's saw

865
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: him do some of his best words. Right, So you

866
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: lose at Iowa. You saw that too, absolutely, So you

867
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: lose some depth there or some of that plan is

868
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: being shifted. So I don't know. I'm just saying, like also,

869
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: so much of the cowboy's identity this past year. Hey,

870
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: we can rush the past, all right? Trade back if

871
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: we trade back and I'm not trading out of the

872
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm not trading out of the first round. But you

873
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: trade back, say you're trading to Kansas City or somebody

874
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, slash pick of the thing. Are

875
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: you trading back? Is your trade back? Guy McDonald, I

876
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: would do that. I wouldn't be mad. I think McDonald

877
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: is number thirty three right now on my board. Yeah,

878
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: he's client, So that would be perfect because when you

879
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: talk about the MICA impairing him with it, like yeah,

880
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: and he's coachable and all this stuff. I just I

881
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: think there's a possibility that edge, like you just talked about,

882
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: the depth looks good, but we don't know. You'd be

883
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: comfortable taking him at twenty six. You't play too much? Ran, Yeah? Sure,

884
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: why not like at this point because he's I mean,

885
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: he's he's in the early second round with a lot

886
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: of people people. No, I don't, I mean, I like

887
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: what you're doing. As I just wanted to say, I

888
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: just wanted to see how much you like the player.

889
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: You obviously like the player. He's a good player. The

890
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: thing about that scenario is, like you said, that's dan

891
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Quinn standing on the table and saying, I've done my job.

892
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: My defense is badass. Go get me one more guy.

893
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, And that's that's what he said.

894
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: And I don't think it would happen if they had

895
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: options offensively at twenty six. But if they're wiped out,

896
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: wiped out at offense twenty six ors no more receivers,

897
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: those tight ends are off the board. They're they're not

898
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: comfortable with these offensive lineman and then dan Quinn standing

899
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: on the table in the war room saying, go get

900
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: me wil McDonald, Okay, you'll get me one of these

901
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: other edge rushers. Okay, let me ask you this question,

902
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: where do you guys feel? Okay, Sanders linebacker Arkansas or

903
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Will McDonald. I think Drew Sanders is better. I have

904
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: Sanders as a first round Grea McDonald for me, man,

905
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: I know people people love him. You're just scout across

906
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: the table. I didn't like him. Let's just across your

907
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: table two feet from you. You don't like McDonald or

908
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: you don't love them? Yeah, I really did. Let me.

909
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: You want to box, I didn't. Let's go. I didn't

910
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: love Will mcdonnald. You know what didn't you like about him? Oh? McDonald?

911
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: My notes are bad. I don't really even want to

912
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: read him. Here read him say with your chest. Well,

913
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: this is a part with his size, but just underwhelming.

914
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: When I watched him against Kase State, he gets blocked

915
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: by a tight end or a fullback at times, struggles

916
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: to get off blocks, hops around in the backfield when

917
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: he has a chance to make plays vers the run

918
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: doesn't finish plays. He can work his hands well, sometimes

919
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: to get around tackles, which resulted in a forced fumble.

920
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: You can see upside, which is why scouts like him,

921
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: but I don't see a ton of production on film.

922
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: For me. He can shoot off the ball quickly when

923
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: he wants to. He's just not an a consistent football player.

924
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: Where were you watching him at? Like, where was he

925
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: playing at? He was playing at edge, he was playing

926
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: at like a stand up outside linebacker. And you think

927
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: that Drew Sanders is more of I think I just

928
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: thought Drew Sanders had more production, made more plays when

929
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: I watched him, and you can. I mean, much like

930
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: with Micah you saw at least him at Arkansas rush

931
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: the passer. But I've think he's a true off ball linebacker.

932
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I would compare these two because

933
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna play Drew Sanders, And I was

934
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: just asking you. I was asking you the only reason

935
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: because Drew Sanders does have the ability to rush guys,

936
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: but he has the ability to play linebacker. Right, That's

937
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: the only reason why I was trying to Will McDonald.

938
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: I I see some of the things and I could

939
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: be so wrong. No, no, no, no, no, no, hey,

940
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I never I will never. I will never fight. I

941
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: mean I'll fight, but I will if as long as

942
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: you're watching the tape, I have no problem with what

943
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: you're saying. But the thing about it is, I think

944
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: this guy can the better the better he plays on

945
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: the move, the better chance he's got because I think

946
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: the lack there's there's a lot of ben to his game.

947
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: The bulk bothers me. The lack of the bulk bothers me.

948
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: But you can say the same thing about Nolan Smith.

949
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you know you could say the same. They're

950
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: both finesse, bendy, long, lanky guys. Right, that's the guy

951
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about is. And I asked you

952
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: about Sanders because there's people that, like, we did that

953
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: thing the other day in the radio where Yard Parker

954
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: did a thing pro comparisons and they put Drew Sanders

955
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and Michael Parsons and we all looked each other like,

956
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: whoa because we all see what Michael. But but Drew

957
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: Sanders does play linebacker and he does rush the passer.

958
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why though. But to me personally, I think

959
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why there's there's the comp I

960
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: don't see similarities in there game, not at all. Yeah.

961
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't see the same explosiveness. I don't see the

962
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: same But we're not wrong. But will what Will McDonald though?

963
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: He's a pass rusher, Yeah he is. He's a true

964
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: pass rusher unlike Drew Rush. Yeah, that's what I'm saying,

965
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what you want, what you want?

966
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: What do you need? What are you looking for? Or whatever?

967
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, I see you, we're here. Yeah,

968
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: oh no. What The great thing about it is someone

969
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: will remind you on Twitter during the sea whether it

970
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: works or not. The Cowboys take him and dan Quinn,

971
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: he went and worked him out there at Iowa State.

972
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: If he decides, look, that's my dude. I love him.

973
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be upset about it because I trust

974
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. He saw something that he likes and you

975
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: can see the upside the physical traits with Will McDonald.

976
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't It didn't stand out to me when

977
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: I watched him when it comes to just production, I

978
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: need to watch. I need to watch the Kansas State

979
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: tape because I watched him against Baylor, Oklahoma and TCU

980
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: in Texas Tech, and I saw, like you said, I

981
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: see the lack of power. He needs to add power

982
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: to his game because he is a finesse rusher. But

983
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: like you're saying, Kansas State kind of kicked him around

984
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I just need to go watch.

985
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: Kans shouldn't be getting blocked by I don't think he

986
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: kicked around by any of those teams that I named,

987
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: And I mean I've watched those games specifically because I

988
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: thought they had good offensive linement, interesting, interesting topics. I

989
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: like it. Drew Sanders, I mean, you have a good

990
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: point because you're talking about this comparison between Michael Parsons

991
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: and Drew Sanders and what was compared on TV or

992
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: wherever that that's what it was. And if Drew Sanders

993
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: was Michael Parsons, he wouldn't have never left Nick Saban's grass.

994
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: He would have never left Alabama, but he went to

995
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Arkansas and that's where he found some success. That's where

996
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: he found it. If he was Michael Parsons, somebody would

997
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: have found the way. And there's a lot of there's

998
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of players that have transferred that they have

999
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: gone on because you know, they just had Joe Burrow

1000
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: depend if they If Ryan Day would have known that

1001
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was Joe Burrow, I don't think he would

1002
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: have let him out of that that room either. Yeah,

1003
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just an interesting thought process. All right,

1004
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll wrap things up. I don't

1005
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: know if we're gonna have time for our mocks are

1006
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: dueling mocks women here. It is that tomorrow, but we'll

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00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,759
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1056
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: back in here too. We'll really do it up big.

1057
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: We'll start it off for tomorrow's show with dueling mock drafts.

1058
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: All right, tell me more about your guy that you

1059
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Jared Patterson out of Notre Dame, Zach Wolchuck.

1060
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through some of these interior offensive lineman

1061
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about that are probably day two

1062
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: or early day three guys. I thought Patterson when I

1063
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: watched him overall, I mentioned, right, you've got the Notre

1064
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: Dame connections. I think Notre Dame produces good talent, but

1065
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: specifically I like the versatility, can play both garden center.

1066
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: I thought he has a wide base, but he plays

1067
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: with good leverage and technique, rarely lose his position. We'll

1068
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: drive and get knocked back in the run game, where's

1069
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: the combo blocks really well at both spots, can get

1070
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: to the second level. Not the fastest guy getting out

1071
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: in space, but he shows enough athleticisn't be able to

1072
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: pull if needed. Overall, I thought he was just really consistent.

1073
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Love the position flex As I mentioned, I would take

1074
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: him in the third round and I'd be very happy

1075
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: with it, and I think you have a future starter. Okay,

1076
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: I think his feet aren't as quick as his eyes,

1077
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: and that's a problem for top heavy. Yeah, well not

1078
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: top heavy. When you when I say that, I mean

1079
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: he sees it, but his feet don't allow him to

1080
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: get over see what you're saying and make that happen.

1081
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: So I think, to me, you know his punch is

1082
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: timing his arm length is really below standards. What you say.

1083
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: You see guys get right on top of him, and

1084
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: I worry about that a little bit. He's got to

1085
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: work the hands faster than his feet. I mean, the bind,

1086
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: the leg drive. There's some things about him when he

1087
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: lacks I think some impact as a blocker, the longer

1088
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: he has to go in that block, so I you know,

1089
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: six five three zero six. I just think the short

1090
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: arms give him problems. And and but like I say,

1091
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I think his lack of lateral sly too hurts him

1092
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: when he has to like the twist stunts and stuff.

1093
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: He's trying to get there and now, oh the guy's

1094
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: on him, and now he's having to fight to get

1095
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: in front of the guy and he can't quite get there.

1096
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't have him as high as you. I have

1097
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: him in the fifth round myself. Wow. Okayth rounder, Okay,

1098
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: what do you think, Aisha? What about him? Yeah? I

1099
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: haven't watched him about it? Yeah, No, that's fine. I'm

1100
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna go check him out tonight, though. But you gave

1101
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: us a couple we need to watch. Ye, this is good.

1102
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: We'll exchange here. I glanced at him and I look,

1103
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: and that's one thing that I did notice very quickly

1104
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the time that I did glance at him, was like, Oh,

1105
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: his call it reach. I don't know if that's right,

1106
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh his reach aint that great? No, yeah,

1107
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: he's sure. Yeah, he's not going to be able to

1108
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: extend out there and scoop and get a guy. Well,

1109
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to you gotta be able to

1110
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: center because you're at a disadvantage too, is that you're

1111
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna play with your off hand quick. And if you

1112
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: don't play with your off hand quick, and guys get

1113
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: on your shoulder and then now they're moving on you.

1114
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see that slide right. I didn't

1115
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: like him as projecting as a center personally. I think

1116
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: it's going to be a guard. Okay, yeah, I would

1117
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: play him at guard? Not make sense? Makes sense? See,

1118
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I think I would probably do. There's

1119
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: better centers than him. I don't like his pad hight.

1120
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: I think he's he's very high off the line of scrimmage, like, no, no,

1121
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: that's six. Yeah he's not not short, but but I

1122
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: see what you. Yeah, I don't like the way he

1123
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: plays straight up with his chest in his hands. He's

1124
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: got good hands, but they're moving too much for him

1125
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 1: to really set and reset. So I just I didn't

1126
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: love a ton of that. So the hands and the

1127
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: feet just didn't match to me kind of. Brian was

1128
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: talking about the feet a moment ago. Tell me about

1129
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Luke Wipler out of Ohio State. This is another guy

1130
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: probably as a center. I think so, Yeah, I think so,

1131
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: And I think this guy, to me, it's he's a

1132
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: very square player, and I mean square the way he's

1133
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: built and he's really now he's the opposite of what

1134
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: we just talked about at Notre Dame. He's quick to

1135
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: help guards. He's when he's uncovered, you see him kind

1136
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: of he understands where the blitz is coming from and

1137
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: then boom, he's over in that area. He's kind of

1138
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: got a wide basse to him, but he's still able

1139
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: to adjust. He usually the wider your bass, the harder

1140
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: it is for you to move into slide. And so

1141
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: guys get a wild white basis because they're not strong

1142
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: enough and they take guys on and they're trying to

1143
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: anchor down or as I used to like to say,

1144
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: drop that ass. But that's what's that. That's kind of

1145
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: where I think with Wiefler is that, you know, I

1146
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: thought he might get knocked around some, but he doesn't.

1147
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he's able to keep his position, he's able

1148
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: to keep the contact and he tends to keep that

1149
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: defender close to him because he's grabbing, he's holding, and

1150
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: he's kind of like dancing with the guy a little bit.

1151
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: I like the way this kid plays on his feet.

1152
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: I didn't see him on the ground at all, and

1153
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty impressive about him. Where would I

1154
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: have him on my board? I think that when you're

1155
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: talking about the centers and stuff like that. I had

1156
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: him in the third round is where I had him. Yeah,

1157
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: he's on the if I'm not mistaken, he was on

1158
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: the Giants radar a little bit um, but I to

1159
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: your point. That was what I wrote down about him.

1160
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I wrote, sustained. Don't make no sense to y'all, but

1161
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: to me that less we know he can sustain. Yeah, absolutely,

1162
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: I call him the judge. Yeah, I've gotta have nicknames soccer.

1163
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, like yeah, once he gets his hands

1164
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: on you, Yeah, it's he's hard. He's hard to hard

1165
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 1: to shake. Yeah, And that surprised me as well, because

1166
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: I feel like with some of these guys that I

1167
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: feel like in this draft, there quite a few guys

1168
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that have the long arms and stuff like that. So

1169
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: for him to be able to sustain after taking on

1170
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: the impact of contact, I was that was important to

1171
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: me with a guy with his length. Sure, yeah, I

1172
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: thought he was good in both pass and run blocking,

1173
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: but to me, he was one of the better all

1174
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: around interior alignment that we studied. Personally, I've got him

1175
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: as my number three center. I could see him being

1176
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: the second guy I have too. I've gotten the Michigan

1177
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Cat ahead of him. I really just loved where I

1178
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: saw it from from Olawa Teamy and I watched him

1179
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: very recently last night to be uh to make sure.

1180
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: I just to double shovel check that, but I was impressed.

1181
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State's got three really good linemen in this draft

1182
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: with Dwan Jones and then Paris Johnson. I think it's

1183
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: the best tackle. There's a reason why they were playing

1184
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff this year. Yeah. I had

1185
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: wat Yeah, that's true. I had Wipepler way down the board.

1186
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Not way down the board, but I had him at

1187
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: like four or five on my center list. And then

1188
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: I went back and watched him again while I was

1189
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: writing the magazine, and I love his quickness off the snap,

1190
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: and he's got some good birds. He gets up in

1191
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: there and he's he's not afraid to push back and

1192
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: finish too. That was the biggest thing for me. One

1193
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: more guy. This is sticking with the center. How about

1194
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: Joe Tipman out of Wisconsin. You like I watched him

1195
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: last night? No, I just lost him. Oh you watched

1196
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: so I said. He has a strong lower half. He

1197
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: has lots of play strength. Brian, Uh. His hands can

1198
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: be out of place sometimes though, I think he finishes

1199
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: blocks well, but he's inconsidered with his mechanics. Sometimes he

1200
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: kind of reminders. It's so funny because Tyler is the

1201
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: first Tyler Smith is the first offensive lineman. I think

1202
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: I watched in depth, so a lot of the time

1203
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: when I'm watching guys that have a similar bill to him,

1204
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the similarities and so he'll get He'll

1205
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: also get caught, like leaning his chest open, gets twisted,

1206
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: which I don't like. He lives off of the fact

1207
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: that he can recover, and that's something that I think

1208
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Tyler also used to do too. He had the strength

1209
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: to recover. So sometimes the point of contact wasn't always

1210
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: good with Tyler last like when he his rookie when

1211
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I work here but at Tosa, but when he got here,

1212
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: that's something that he worked on im. He can replace

1213
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: his hands, regroup after the punch and stuff, but that's

1214
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: something that I think he needs to work on. Other

1215
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: than that, though, I feel like obviously his anchor is good,

1216
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: he has all the place to get to the second level.

1217
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: I just was worried about. It's the finishing blocks and

1218
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: the initial point of contact mechanics that I think he

1219
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: needs to work on. And I hope that's the right

1220
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: way to sound. The young scout got it right. Yeah,

1221
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: she's frigging nailed this guy. I mean, you copy in

1222
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: my work over here later. Now, She's absolutely right. Everything

1223
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: she said about the players absolutely true. I mean at

1224
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: point to point with the notes and stuff like that.

1225
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: Sorry about the watch going off there, guys, but yeah,

1226
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean this guy, I worry about this guy. With

1227
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: large and big defenders can maybe give this guy some problem.

1228
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: And he's a big guy. He's six sixties, three thirteen

1229
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: and he doesn't always play like that. But she great job.

1230
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: You get him nailed. I agree with you, Brian. My

1231
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: first line on him was he gets stood up at

1232
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: the line by bigger defensive tackles and won't get a

1233
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: lot of movement. The only thing that that annoyed me

1234
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: watching him is I did think he was ground guy

1235
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: did end up on the ground a little bit. And

1236
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: that's what one of your one of your pet you're yeah, well, yeah,

1237
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: if you're alignment on the ground. Got problems. I didn't.

1238
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't love but there are a lot of things

1239
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: to like him, because he is overall very consistent. I thought,

1240
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: as well, one of your biases, that's what. Yeah, I

1241
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: was looking forward. He looks like, hey, looks like her

1242
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean a center or I mean like a badger.

1243
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: He just looked a lot of these guys just look

1244
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: the part. And so when with looking apart, it's easier.

1245
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you're drawn to them because they look the part.

1246
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: But then when you start looking within, like what they

1247
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: do well and stuff, you're like, oh well, honey, get

1248
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: off the ground, baby, please come on, what are you doing?

1249
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Find some pride? I can see myself sitting in a

1250
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: room in a college and going, baby, get off the ground, honey,

1251
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: please get on your feet. I just I learned something today, baby,

1252
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: get off the ground. And he also learned that Brian's

1253
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: got a clip that we're gonna have that cut of

1254
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: him saying, drop that ass, drop that ass. Yeah, So

1255
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: she turned it into a saw all right. For Chris Beam,

1256
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: for Brian broad Us, for Zach Waltschuk Ayesha Morrison. I'm

1257
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Yellmans. We'll see tomorrow doing mock drafts when we

1258
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: come back with more of the Draft Show. This has

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,560
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