WEBVTT - #890 Packers Unscripted: OTA observations

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spaffer, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague was Hodkoitz. We're coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>here from the Potawatom Sportsbook Studio. I got it first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got it right.

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<v Speaker 2>I did home run right out of the bart. But

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of.

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<v Speaker 1>Home runs, how did you do on the golf course?

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<v Speaker 2>I did well, buddy, Okay, I did really well. I

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<v Speaker 2>was proud of myself. First time being out this year,

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<v Speaker 2>had very modest expectations. But I think if you asked Pahad,

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<v Speaker 2>I carried our four like Scramble. I carried our team

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<v Speaker 2>are foursome. So I was very happy. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can probably attest to too, you could not

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<v Speaker 2>have beaten the weather in Wisconsin, northern Wisconsin where I

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<v Speaker 2>was over the weekend. I mean that was picture perfect

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<v Speaker 2>esque conditions. So I was hitting him across the links.

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<v Speaker 2>You were catching carp crappy, crappy. Sorry, big fisherman over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the weather, the weather was great and the fish

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<v Speaker 1>were biting a little bit. Rough day on Saturday, much

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<v Speaker 1>better day on Sundays. But had some fun and uh

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<v Speaker 1>but We've got some Packers football to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 1>because last week we got to watch one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers OTA practices. Shortly after we are done recording this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna head out and catch another OTA practice that

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about on our next show. But as

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<v Speaker 1>far as Week one of OTA is and what we

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<v Speaker 1>got to witness out there at Raynichigi Field, we us

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just open it up to you, what caught your eye,

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<v Speaker 1>what stood out for you during that workout.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that stood out for me isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>anything we saw directly during the practices, but Matt Lafleur

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<v Speaker 2>coming out and saying straight away that Tucker Craft, the

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<v Speaker 2>hope for him is to be back for training camp

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<v Speaker 2>or early in training camp. And honestly, Mike, the way

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<v Speaker 2>we all everything we've seen a little bit. We've even

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<v Speaker 2>watched him now doing rehab off to the side. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Lafleura said it himself, I mean, Tuck looks like he

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<v Speaker 2>could go today. Yeah, you know, he's had a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>recovery from this, a great rehab. Obviously, clock the hours,

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time in Green Bay, took a

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<v Speaker 2>little time to himself in Arizona with his family, but

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise it's been all systems go, working towards this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously still looking to lock up that long term deal

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<v Speaker 2>with his rookie contract expiring after twenty six, so not

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<v Speaker 2>that he ever needed any additional motivation, but boy, it

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<v Speaker 2>sure looks like Tuckerkraft is locked in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very reminiscent of last year with Christian He really

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it, because we there were so many times that

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<v Speaker 1>we saw during practices Watson was continuing his ACL rehab

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<v Speaker 1>off to the side and everybody's looking at him saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like he's ready to go, right, But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a timeline, there's a process to this, and the packers

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<v Speaker 1>are going to follow that with regard to Kraft, just

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<v Speaker 1>as they did with uh with Watson, so so patients

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<v Speaker 1>will be required, certainly, the way Watson came back last year,

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<v Speaker 1>everything turned out quite nicely. The other update, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Micah parsons everything from what we've been told, the rehab

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<v Speaker 1>is going well. The expectation is he will start training

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<v Speaker 1>camp on pup and we'll see how We'll see how

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<v Speaker 1>things play out in there.

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<v Speaker 2>In Matt's saying two, he expect him back. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he will be back because we got the softball

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<v Speaker 2>game this week. I think for him coming up now too.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not he's able to participate in that, it

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<v Speaker 2>remains to be seen, but I think it's him and

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love had that coming up on the horizon as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look at Micah, we haven't obviously seen

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<v Speaker 2>him as much as as Tucker in terms of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Tucker, I seem like every time I walked

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<v Speaker 2>in the building he was driving through uh but but

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts, a really good recovery for him. DeVante

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<v Speaker 2>Wyatt was with the rehab group during practice as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the Packers, I mean, for to get the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's back, the key playmakers back, and to have them

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<v Speaker 2>making progress is really We'll talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>other observations from otis, but that's what you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get the most out of this. Zach Tom also at

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<v Speaker 2>the rehab group, but the hope is he'll be ready

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<v Speaker 2>for training camp. So Packers, when you look at last

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<v Speaker 2>year and how it ended with the reserve lists, you

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<v Speaker 2>can make a case that like half of their top

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<v Speaker 2>eight players were all on IR at that point. So

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<v Speaker 2>to have a little bit of positivity there I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really important and certainly I think would be uplifting

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<v Speaker 2>for this roster if you see number eighty five and

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<v Speaker 2>these other guys get back during camp towards this goal

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<v Speaker 2>now of twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll we'll just have to see where things go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because we still just turn the camendar to June,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of a lot of time to

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<v Speaker 1>go here. The other thing that was addressed by Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur right before last week's first open practice to the

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<v Speaker 1>media the situation with Josh Jacobs. After we recorded our

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<v Speaker 1>episode last week, the news broke about Josh being arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for a domestic incident, and the following day he was released.

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<v Speaker 1>The county prosecutors have not made a decision on whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not he's going to be charged or what he

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<v Speaker 1>may be charged with, So the packers have made it

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<v Speaker 1>clear they're letting that situation play out. The legal process

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have to run its course here. So

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<v Speaker 1>with that in mind, turning back to the on the

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<v Speaker 1>field action during practice, what did you like about what

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<v Speaker 1>you saw or what caught your eye?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, starting with the running backs, right because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Brooks is a guy that you don't want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be under these circumstances. But he's a dude that

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<v Speaker 2>has sort of been under the radar for Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. But the Packers made it a point

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<v Speaker 2>to sign him to not just restrict attended the game

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<v Speaker 2>of two year contract. Yeah this offseason. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those jack of all trades players. I

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<v Speaker 2>always compare him to Tony Fisher. He reminds me a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that, not only just with what his role is,

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<v Speaker 2>but also his physical frame. He's a guy that can

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<v Speaker 2>stand up to bull rushes. He's a guy that can

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<v Speaker 2>take on linebackers and also the hope here and again,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go out to practice and we'll see where things

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<v Speaker 2>are at. But Marshalloyd has been with the Packers all

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<v Speaker 2>off season. He's gotten some answers after going out to

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<v Speaker 2>the West Coast. The Packers have him on a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>He took part in the individuals last week, but did

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<v Speaker 2>sit out of the team periods. So it was Pierre

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<v Speaker 2>Strong and Chris Brooks handling those first team reps. But

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<v Speaker 2>you and I said it on the sideline when we're

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<v Speaker 2>watching him in the individual drills. When you draft of

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<v Speaker 2>running back, when you actually put that investment into a

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<v Speaker 2>player that's one of the top of the line coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of college, they just look different. And we spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time focused on, you know, Marshawn Side

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<v Speaker 2>when he came out. I wrote a feature on him

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of the way he's built, but his speed

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<v Speaker 2>and his explosiveness for a guy of his caliber, when

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<v Speaker 2>you tie it all together, we all know he could

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<v Speaker 2>be special. It's just a matter of he can finally

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<v Speaker 2>put all this this rash of injuries behind him. So

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a good day for the RBS,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, just spinning it forward a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more. Man, it seems like every off season I

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<v Speaker 2>say this, but Christian Watson, dude just looks fantastic, just

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<v Speaker 2>his physical makeup and just watching a guy that has

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing frame and tremendous speed for a guy that's six',

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<v Speaker 2>four but just the way he's. BUILT i, mean when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the picture the portrait of what a

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<v Speaker 2>receiver looks like in The National Football, league it Is Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>Watson SO i just thought there's a lot of positive

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<v Speaker 2>things that draw from that. Practice you, Know Matthew golden

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<v Speaker 2>running with the, ones a lot of passes going his

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<v Speaker 2>way during the team.

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<v Speaker 1>PERIODS i thought so. Too it was just a really good, flow,

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<v Speaker 1>YEAH i mean. It and this is typical for the

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<v Speaker 1>springtime when it's when it's no pads and you, know

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's kind of learning the. Offense and from what we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard From Matt, lafleur they they sort of tore things

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<v Speaker 1>down to the bare bones and rebuilding like where to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and you see in THESE ota practices the ball

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes like lots of different, directions, RIGHT i,

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<v Speaker 1>mean it goes To, watson it goes a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times To. Golden they get the ball in saving On william's,

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<v Speaker 1>hands you, KNOW i mean and and and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're working the running plays as. Well as you,

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned we didn't See Marshawn lloyd in the eleven on.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven it sounds like he has done some eleven on

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<v Speaker 1>eleven and, OTAs but The packers are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>run him into the. Ground regardless of The Josh jacobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Situation there's a plan For Marshawn lloyd that is completely

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<v Speaker 1>separate from The jacob situation because of everything that he

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<v Speaker 1>has gone through with his body and with his, health

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<v Speaker 1>SO i hope we get to see a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more of, him you, know here this. Month but again

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<v Speaker 1>it's really going to be more about training camp when

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<v Speaker 1>the pads are, on and him getting action in the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Games for somebody who has played so little in the

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<v Speaker 1>first two years of HIS nfl, career there's there needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be a ramp up for him to get to

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<v Speaker 1>where he wants to, be to get to where The

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<v Speaker 1>packers want him to, be so that he can play

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<v Speaker 1>a full season and and help out this. Offense with

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<v Speaker 1>regard to the injured, players we did get a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the first team, offense first team, defense and some

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<v Speaker 1>rotations and whatnot that we're going. On it's worth pointing

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<v Speaker 1>out that In Micah parsons apps since the first two

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<v Speaker 1>edge rushers with the number one Defense Lucas vans And Baron,

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<v Speaker 1>serell the fourth round draft pick from last, year some

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<v Speaker 1>other guys were rotating in for. That but then also

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<v Speaker 1>on the offensive, side the right tackle Replacing Zach tom

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<v Speaker 1>as he continues his rehab is the Veteran Darian. Kinnard

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<v Speaker 1>some other depth chart Observations if you want to share,

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<v Speaker 1>them but those were the TWO i think that jumped

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<v Speaker 1>out the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most currell's a big one because you Have Brenton cox

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<v Speaker 2>junior there. Too AND i pontificated a lot About cox last.

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<v Speaker 2>WEEK i, SAID i, mean this, guy what he was

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<v Speaker 2>doing on the second team, UNIT i, mean the second

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<v Speaker 2>team tackles are have a hard time getting a hand on,

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<v Speaker 2>HIM a guy that we'd all sort of forgotten about

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit right because of the core injury last.

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<v Speaker 2>Year But brenton is still very much in this. Thing

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that they did Give serell that opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to work across From lucas fans and these practices speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to the offseason he's had and also the way he

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<v Speaker 2>finished last year a very positive note In, minnesota AND

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<v Speaker 2>i thought was one of the MVPs of that, Game

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<v Speaker 2>and you could tell afterwards how much pride in being

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<v Speaker 2>in the locker room that he took because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a long wait for. Him there's a lot of bodies

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<v Speaker 2>at Edge rusher last, year especially When. Michaeh parsons was,

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<v Speaker 2>playing because he's a guy that doesn't really come off

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<v Speaker 2>the field that. Much once he was, healthy you, Know

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<v Speaker 2>mike is playing eighty two percent of the defensive. Snaps

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<v Speaker 2>And rashaan is the type of guy too that was

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<v Speaker 2>in that fifty to sixty, Range so it was tough

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the, trough so to. Speak, Right so

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<v Speaker 2>Now baron's going to have that. Opportunity you would have

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<v Speaker 2>loved to have Seen Colin oliver out. There unfortunately he

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the DMPs in this, practice was with

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<v Speaker 2>the rehab. Group but The packers have so many different

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<v Speaker 2>options at edge rusher right, now And i'm just excited

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<v Speaker 2>who comes out of. That the THING i thought is

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<v Speaker 2>the most, interesting and it's been more of a philosophical

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<v Speaker 2>change that we've seen really Since. COVID i would say

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<v Speaker 2>in that seeing the young guys and the rookies getting

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<v Speaker 2>involved at the first team starting offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense that was the next THING i was going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, about because because while they weren't taking the

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<v Speaker 1>initial like the very first rep what the first teamers

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<v Speaker 1>we Saw Brandon csa at, Cornerback chris mcconllin at defensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Tackle those two draft picks in, particular were in the

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<v Speaker 1>rotation with the number ones before they kind of blow

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<v Speaker 1>the whistle and the and THE uh and the second

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<v Speaker 1>units go, In so those guys were getting getting some

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<v Speaker 1>snaps with the first. Unit and, yeah as you, said

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<v Speaker 1>it's it is a little bit of a philosophical. CHANGE

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<v Speaker 1>i think that that maybe partly because of just so

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<v Speaker 1>many more practice limitations even in training camp now compared

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<v Speaker 1>to you, know not that long, ago like previous cbas

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<v Speaker 1>where players would always have would always have that chance

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<v Speaker 1>to ramp themselves up in training camp and get those.

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<v Speaker 1>Opportunities now there aren't as many of those in a training.

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<v Speaker 1>Camp so if you want, somebody you, know to if

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<v Speaker 1>you want a rookie to really be ready to play

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<v Speaker 1>and to help out your team in some fashion in week,

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<v Speaker 1>one they have to get used to running with the,

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<v Speaker 1>ones as they, Say AND i think that's partly where

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<v Speaker 1>that comes.

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<v Speaker 2>From, yeah and this is no disrespect To mike. McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>i'm sure If mike heard me say, this he probably

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<v Speaker 2>end up punching me on the. Shoulder BUT i always

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<v Speaker 2>WHEN i first started covering the, team it was just

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<v Speaker 2>it was SO i don't want to say it's, antiquated

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like all the rookies had to run

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<v Speaker 2>with the second and third team offense and, defense AND

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<v Speaker 2>i JUST i always go back to that thirteen training.

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<v Speaker 2>CAMP i KNOW i write about it a lot AND

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<v Speaker 2>i talk about it a, lot But i'm Watching Alex

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<v Speaker 2>green And James starks run with the, ones and at

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<v Speaker 2>the other end of the, field you Got Eddie lacy

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<v Speaker 2>And Jonathan, franklin who were a second round pick and

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<v Speaker 2>a fourth round pick Right alabama AND, ucla and they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're going against these guys that probably aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in THE nfl this upcoming. SEASON i just was, like,

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of what are we doing? Here because The

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<v Speaker 2>packers very when we went into twenty thirteen coming off

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<v Speaker 2>the twelve, Season Cedric benson and the litany of guys

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<v Speaker 2>That Green bay brought in at the end of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Year they needed to draft a running back and they

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<v Speaker 2>got him And Eddie. Lacy get the guy out there

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<v Speaker 2>was the thing that was in the back of my. Head,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah because it's not just About, okay well this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the. Starter it's, about, Hey Brandon, Ceesay

0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Keishawn nixon And Carrington valentine come. Out you're. In Benjamin

0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.400
<v Speaker 2>saint just wasn't. Practicing get over, there get in the,

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<v Speaker 2>game and you need to have you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with. That you need to get comfortable with. That.

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<v Speaker 2>Now csea's twenty years, old but you AND i discussed

0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.160
<v Speaker 2>it after. PRACTICE i wrote about an insider inbox On.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday this dude was a full grown. MAN i, mean

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<v Speaker 2>and he is, fast and he is, physical and the

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<v Speaker 2>way he triggers watching him and isolating on him a little,

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<v Speaker 2>BIT i felt like there's a lot Of Javon boullard to,

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<v Speaker 2>him where it was, like this dude is not. Afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>now obviously they're not in, pads BUT i, mean this,

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<v Speaker 2>guy he attacks it and it's, instinctual and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you want to see from a guy that has that

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<v Speaker 2>type of speed in that type of, size so to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Him and Also chris, McClellan And i've said it numerous times,

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<v Speaker 2>NOW i don't know If i've covered a defensive lineman

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<v Speaker 2>here that has the type of body type That chris McClellan.

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<v Speaker 2>Has he's a little bit bigger Than Mike, daniels but

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<v Speaker 2>he's long and his we talk about the hand. SIZE i,

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<v Speaker 2>mean this dude brings a different. Dimension he was hustling

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<v Speaker 2>out there, Too SO i just like seeing those young

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<v Speaker 2>guys get. Incorporated and one other REASON i bring up

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<v Speaker 2>the offense or the number ones and going on is

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<v Speaker 2>because they do split squad, now so you very easily

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<v Speaker 2>could Have cisay and McLellan down with the twos taking

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<v Speaker 2>every rep as opposed to you, know being down there

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<v Speaker 2>and rotating in back in the McCarthy are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times it was we were watching one offense and

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<v Speaker 2>one defense and then the other ones would sub. In

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just another philosophical thing that you've seen. Changing

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<v Speaker 2>BUT i.

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<v Speaker 1>Think part of, it just to touch on the McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>THING i think there was a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>old school mentality with him that any rookie that walked

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<v Speaker 1>in the building you had to earn a rep with

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<v Speaker 1>the first, two and so right at the beginning you're

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<v Speaker 1>not just going to be handed that. Opportunity and, yes

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<v Speaker 1>things are different, now AS i, mentioned there's not as

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<v Speaker 1>much practice, time there are more limitations in, OTAs there

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<v Speaker 1>are more limitations in training camp and in the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season for, practices so it's taken on a whole different.

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<v Speaker 1>Dimension BUT i think when you're talking a dozen fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>ago we were in a little bit different world and

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<v Speaker 1>there was there was kind of a mentality of you,

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<v Speaker 1>know a rookie is never just going to be handed.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything you're going to have to earn it against the

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<v Speaker 1>guys who have been, here even if the guys who

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<v Speaker 1>have been here are not expected to beat you out.

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<v Speaker 1>RIGHT i, mean and that's that's kind of how that.

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<v Speaker 2>Went and that works AT, Iowa but in The National

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<v Speaker 2>Football league it's like sometimes you need to make a

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<v Speaker 2>little push, there very.

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<v Speaker 1>Very, true very. True, well we're going to pay a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of bills here. Quickly with a word from our.

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<v Speaker 1>Need twenty four to, seven three sixty. Five welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>To Packers, unscripted All Right, west before we head out

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<v Speaker 1>to the practice field to watch another practice that we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about on our next show later this. Week,

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<v Speaker 1>Monday june one was a whale of a in THE.

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<v Speaker 1>NFL i, MEAN i got back from the fishing ex

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<v Speaker 1>version and opened up my phone and started scrolling through

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing all the news that broke on my drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Home Miles garrett gets traded to The La. Rams Aj

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<v Speaker 1>brown gets traded to The New England, patriots and there

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<v Speaker 1>are some other transactions and whatnot that happened around the.

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<v Speaker 1>League just what did you what did you think of

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<v Speaker 1>Of june? ONE i, mean is this gonna be BECAUSE

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<v Speaker 1>i know there are always salary cap implications With june

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<v Speaker 1>one as. WELL i, mean is is this is this

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the new trend in THE nfl that On

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<v Speaker 1>june first there, moves but there are gonna be all

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<v Speaker 1>these like major you, know major, transactions, uh you, know

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<v Speaker 1>blockbuster trades going. ON i mean it was quite a.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, yeah it was. NUTS i mean Then Odell Beckham,

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<v Speaker 2>junior you, Know Braxon. BARRIOS i mean like there was

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of stuff that happened in THE,

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<v Speaker 2>nfl And i'm sure EVERYBODY nfl network and the media

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<v Speaker 2>entity of the league is probably excited about. It i'll tell. You,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay SO i was WATCHING i was actually sitting a

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<v Speaker 2>couple tables down from here and was in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of writing insider inbox AND i looked to my right

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<v Speaker 2>and the ticker came up there right. Away and you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's fast when they end up misspelling. It at

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<v Speaker 2>first THAT espn there was a type one. There compensation

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<v Speaker 2>had two season and then and then you see it quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Change it was during the McAfee. Show but what stunned

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<v Speaker 2>me the most was The La rams when they bring

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<v Speaker 2>up that graph of their first round picks over the

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<v Speaker 2>last twelve years and there's two players on it and

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<v Speaker 2>now one of them you just trade it like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the you give less sneed credit And sean, mcvahal,

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<v Speaker 2>mean they're doing it different than everybody else in the.

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<v Speaker 2>League everybody else is, like we won all the, picks

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<v Speaker 2>draft and, develop and obviously it. Works John schneider just

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<v Speaker 2>won a world championship with that. Strategy but this is

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<v Speaker 2>how The rams have done it. Forever they have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in some ways Rob peter to Pay, Paul but

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<v Speaker 2>this is a generational player AND i Like Jared. VERSE

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<v Speaker 2>i think he's going to be a player and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>everything goes okay for him In. Cleveland that's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different market in terms of the notoriety of it

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously the issues they've had just trying to rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>that franchise since they were reintroduced in a league now

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven years. Ago but For Miles garrett now to

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance to play on a. Contender there were

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<v Speaker 2>so many people that drew the comparisons between him And Matthew,

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<v Speaker 2>stafford a guy that has already established himself In garrett

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<v Speaker 2>as A Pro Football hall Of, famer probably the best

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<v Speaker 2>pass rusher of his, generation or in the, conversation is

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<v Speaker 2>like the one or two to now get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to go TO la and sort of get that last

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<v Speaker 2>part of his career that he hasn't really had, yet

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<v Speaker 2>having an established playoff run hopefully and then a world.

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<v Speaker 2>Championship this is this is what it's all. About thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>Old you've got to get. Moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well and The, rams obviously they there isn't a definitive,

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<v Speaker 1>timeline but the clock is ticking On Matthew. Stafford they know,

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<v Speaker 1>that they know what that's two year contract and they,

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<v Speaker 1>were you, know that close last, year right with facing

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<v Speaker 1>their division, rival The Seattle seahawks and THE nfc championship

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and the game comes right down with the, wire you,

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.919
<v Speaker 1>know could have gone either, way and The seahawks end

0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>up winning at, all and The rams are gonna are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make that push, now and, yeah With Miles, garrett

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you know you always wondered from was was

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<v Speaker 1>he gonna be the Next Joe, thomas you, know This

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<v Speaker 1>hall of famer for The Cleveland, browns who was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>play his whole career there and never really get a

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<v Speaker 1>realistic shot at you, know at a Super, bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Never played in the. PLAYOFFS i don't, think, RIGHT i

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<v Speaker 2>don't Think thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Did, NO i don't Think Joe thomas did did play

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<v Speaker 1>in a playoff, game although My Miles garrett has, Played,

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<v Speaker 1>yes one has played in In in the, postseason THE

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<v Speaker 1>Aj brown trade TO, uh to The New England patriots

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<v Speaker 1>was probably like the worst kept.

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<v Speaker 2>Secret were you surprised it was a first? Rounder? YEAH i?

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<v Speaker 1>WAS i. Was, YEAH i, Mean Elliott wolf gave, up

0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.840
<v Speaker 1>gave up a, lot but he you, know clearly he

0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.680
<v Speaker 1>went about revamping the receiver poss For Drake may as franchise.

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Quarterback you, know they Signed Romeo. Dobbs now they trade

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.439
<v Speaker 1>FOR Aj, brown it's going to be a completely different

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.479
<v Speaker 1>set of pass catching weapons for For Drake may now

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 1>moving forward AND uh and, yeah the with with The,

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.880
<v Speaker 1>patriots it's, like, okay if if they get their offensive

0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.639
<v Speaker 1>line squared, away you know for the, postseason that's a

0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 1>team that that a lot of people, think could you,

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<v Speaker 1>know make another run and get right back. There they

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<v Speaker 1>took advantage of took advantage of some real misfortune on

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the part of The Denver broncos last, year you, know

0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to get to the Super. Bowl but but then you,

0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.560
<v Speaker 1>know it was kind of a dud Super bowl for.

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<v Speaker 1>Them so there's a lot of motivation In New england, to,

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:40.639
<v Speaker 1>uh to make another run at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, yeah get over the hump, too and and hopefully for,

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<v Speaker 2>them you, KNOW i think they're looking At Mike vrabel

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.080
<v Speaker 2>sort of being the receiver whisperer and getting paired up

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:49.960
<v Speaker 2>again with Aj brown if he can get him, back you,

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 2>know kind of on. Track because just with How haywire

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that went last, year specifically In, PHILLY i JUST i

0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 2>just wondered what the market was going to be like

0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.480
<v Speaker 2>for him and for him to still get a first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick that's a lot of respect this day and, age

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<v Speaker 2>with what receivers are getting and, making there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that will just go out and pay a

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<v Speaker 2>receiver Like Romeo dobs seventeen and a half million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>say join our, roster no compensation in terms of the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Picks and then In New england was, like let's bring

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<v Speaker 2>it all on now With.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown, yeah it's it's, INTERESTING i, mean you, know to

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<v Speaker 1>see AND i guess speaking more more about Like Miles,

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<v Speaker 1>garrett where you're talking about a guy who's on A

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<v Speaker 1>hall Of fame, trajectory and you know The Micah parsons

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<v Speaker 1>trade By Green bay last, year we're seeing we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>more of. THIS i, mean you, know the big Time

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<v Speaker 1>hall Of fame level players getting moved as and you,

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<v Speaker 1>know it's not like it's not like The rams didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give up. ANYTHING i mean they gave Up Jared verse

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<v Speaker 1>and you, know three fairly high draft, picks just like

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<v Speaker 1>The packers gave Up Kenny clark and two first round. Picks,

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<v Speaker 1>RIGHT i, mean you don't get these guys for. NOTHING i,

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<v Speaker 1>mean these they're they're called blockbuster trades for a. Reason and,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah IT'S i mean two years in a. Row are

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<v Speaker 1>you'll believe now the you, know the two top edge

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<v Speaker 1>rushers in all of football have have changed. Teams all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Odell Beckham junior over under for number of catches

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<v Speaker 2>this season with The New York giants point. Five does

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<v Speaker 2>he make it To week? ONE i don't. Know i'm.

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<v Speaker 2>CURIOUS i don't, Know i'm. CURIOUS i was thinking in

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<v Speaker 2>my head after that all went. Down it's just there's

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<v Speaker 2>been so few examples OF Nfl i'm just talking about receivers,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically no other positions of franchise like face of the

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<v Speaker 2>franchise type receivers who have gone back home and then

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<v Speaker 2>gotten it back on. Track especially With beckham being out

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<v Speaker 2>of the league last year and just these ebbs and

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<v Speaker 2>flows of his career over the last five six. Years

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<v Speaker 2>i'm Just i'm. CURIOUS i count me. Curious, yeah everyone

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<v Speaker 2>loves a great. Story but even like as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>he signed, back immediately thought, of Like Jimmy graham going

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<v Speaker 2>back To New, orleans and it's, like this is the

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<v Speaker 2>only city where this guy's gonna play at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in his, career and what ultimately can he give you

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<v Speaker 2>at this. Point I'M nfl is gonna love. It but my, goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>man the amount of content that they pushed with, That

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<v Speaker 2>like it is That Odell Beckham junior is still a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Name oh, yeah and for how fast and how hot

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<v Speaker 2>he started his career the way it kind of tailed, Off,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah it's just the guy is Still maybe that's a

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<v Speaker 2>New york. Market maybe that's just his, personality but the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Still combination of BOTH i think, there but, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he still gets the. Clicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah the receiver position is always is always interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>me because when you get to the point as a

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver when you when you lose a, step you,

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<v Speaker 1>know in terms of the speed you lose a half

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<v Speaker 1>step or or, whatever do you does the does the

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<v Speaker 1>player have the you, know the savvy and the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>and everything of A DeVante adams where you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>notice necessarily that he's not as fast as he was

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<v Speaker 1>seven or eight years. Ago or does the offensive, coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach do they have to scheme the guy

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<v Speaker 1>open because he doesn't have what he had. Before AND

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<v Speaker 1>i think that's WHAT i, think that's what everybody's wondering

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<v Speaker 1>about About Odell beckham and how this is gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Go that's the hidden secret with, receivers isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It?

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<v Speaker 2>Right If DeVante runs a, four, three, nine he's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a first round pick in twenty, fourteen, Right but he

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<v Speaker 2>ran like a four or. Five, Yeah but at the same,

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<v Speaker 2>time it wasn't like he needed blazing speed to beat EVERY.

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<v Speaker 2>dB the guy has maybe the best footwork IN nfl

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<v Speaker 2>history for a, receiver or at least in the conversation for,

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<v Speaker 2>it with how much that is predicated on his. Game

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of like an old box or a

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<v Speaker 2>heavyweight boxer having the power just being able to still

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<v Speaker 2>knock him. Down you, know if the chin holds, up

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<v Speaker 2>they're still going to find a way to get you.

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<v Speaker 2>Down so, yeah, No i'm it'll be. Fun and ALSO

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<v Speaker 2>i got to tie it back before we close the.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversation packers will now See Miles garrett this. Year probably

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<v Speaker 2>he's worth mentioning. That you, know people were saying an insider. Inbox,

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<v Speaker 2>well at least he's not in The. North i'm like

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<v Speaker 2>he is in THE nfc. Now and The Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>packers are going to have A Thanksgiving eve pre dinner

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<v Speaker 2>with one of the best the games ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen and The packers are going to face that Revamped

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<v Speaker 1>New england receiving core With Romeo dobbs AND Aj. Brown

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to face that team as well in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Six so with, that we'll call it a rap on

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<v Speaker 1>this edition Of Packers. Unscripted be sure to follow all

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<v Speaker 1>videos and everything else for you this week on packers Dot.

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<v Speaker 1>Com we'll be back in a couple more days with

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<v Speaker 1>another episode and another practice to talk. About so For,

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<v Speaker 1>WES i Am, mike thank you for tuning.

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<v Speaker 2>In.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody we will say next.

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<v Speaker 2>Time