Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. Oh my goodness, you guys, we have
Speaker 1: the most special guest. It's the return of Easton, our producer.
Speaker 2: This is such a thrill. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I love having you back and for this particular episode especially.
Speaker 1: It's called The Big Time. It aired July thirtieth, two thousand.
Speaker 1: It is directed by Alison Andrews, written by Jenny Biks
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to have a male perspective. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to share. It's got some big topics in
Speaker 1: this one. Big topics. Okay. So when I think of
Speaker 1: this episode, I think of Charlotte storyline involving the boat.
Speaker 1: Like you know how there are some things that I
Speaker 1: remember really clearly, you know about about filming, and some
Speaker 1: things I have no memory. A little. The boat I
Speaker 1: definitely remember because it was very beautiful, very cold. There's
Speaker 1: two scenes on the boat. One I'm not wearing a
Speaker 1: rap and the other I have this like pashmina wrapped around.
Speaker 1: I think, I like, couldn't stop shivering level cold. I'm
Speaker 1: always cold, as you know, but it was gorgeous. But
Speaker 1: another situation like the Staten Island Ferry. This was like
Speaker 1: our boat season. For some reason. We start season three
Speaker 1: with the stet Island Ferry. Now we're on this like
Speaker 1: it's like a party boat, you know.
Speaker 2: Like a small yacht or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was pretty nice. I remember being
Speaker 1: pretty nice. And we also had to do the thing
Speaker 1: we did on the Stateland Ferry, which was turn the
Speaker 1: boat around so that the background matched.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, because you're.
Speaker 1: Getting the city on one side and New Jersey on
Speaker 1: the other. We were in the Hudson River, so you couldn't
Speaker 1: just keep sailing down the river, right, you had to
Speaker 1: turn back around so that it matched for each take, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's such a pain. But it was
Speaker 1: really pretty fun, except that it was really cold. But
Speaker 1: I remember being really fun. And I remember it being
Speaker 1: fun partly because Kyle at that point was this was
Speaker 1: his second episode. Weird that he came in the middle
Speaker 1: because we would have you know, a director would do
Speaker 1: two at a time. Yes, right, so I guess he
Speaker 1: came in the middle and did one with Alison, No, sorry,
Speaker 1: one with Nicole, one with Alison. Anyway, he was brand new, right,
Speaker 1: and this is the episode where you really see clearly
Speaker 1: that the original idea for Trey was that he was
Speaker 1: not interesting.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Because he's telling the story of how he met He's
Speaker 1: telling it so adorably right, and obviously I as Charlotte
Speaker 1: and like just hang on every word, and I think
Speaker 1: it's so cute and funny. And Carrie's voiceover is telling
Speaker 1: us that she already remembers all the details because she's
Speaker 1: heard it so many times, so that this I think
Speaker 1: we abandon this after this episode because he's Kyle and
Speaker 1: you just can't continue down this road of that he's
Speaker 1: not that interesting and exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even when he's delivering this like boring story, he's
Speaker 2: got that you know voice, I mean.
Speaker 1: The voice and the kind of delivery, Like, he's got
Speaker 1: a very interesting, off kilter delivery, which I think obviously
Speaker 1: makes so much sense sense for you know, Twin Pine,
Speaker 1: twin Peaks in the Pines whatever, toon Peaks, but also
Speaker 1: for all the he just brings that with him, you know,
Speaker 1: even though obviously very very different character, but it works
Speaker 1: so perfectly also, which is also I think for me,
Speaker 1: I just remember being so excited that we got him
Speaker 1: right and thinking like, well, wait, we can't we can't
Speaker 1: have him for just like three or five or whatever
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be, right, because he's him, and
Speaker 1: he's like so dreamy and so good and so nice. Yes,
Speaker 1: like it's just rare, you know, it's just pretty rare,
Speaker 1: I have to say. So obviously everyone agreed with me,
Speaker 1: and therefore we have two seasons pretty much. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly how many, but we have him
Speaker 1: definitely for for third season and for a season.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I look back at the Breath of
Speaker 2: Sex and the City, I always think, like with Charlotte,
Speaker 2: it's Harry and Trey, like those are the you know,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, like such a major.
Speaker 1: There are unfortunately a lot of other guys in between them,
Speaker 1: but they don't even really deserve a mention. I mean,
Speaker 1: but you know that they that I do love about her.
Speaker 1: And this is what I love about television as a viewer.
Speaker 1: I love a long arc, yes, Like that's the joy
Speaker 1: of television in my mind. It's not what we grew
Speaker 1: up on though, you know, when we grew up it
Speaker 1: was like sitcoms and soap oppers. I guess soap operas
Speaker 1: is a long arc, but in a different way, right,
Speaker 1: But like that's the joy of you know, HBO, that
Speaker 1: they would let you just lean in to things that
Speaker 1: weren't clear, you know. Obviously. Also we have such a
Speaker 1: big episode with Carrie and Aiden and big again, Like
Speaker 1: it's so good when you watch it back, and you
Speaker 1: know most of the things that people say to me.
Speaker 1: I did just meet a lady in Starbucks. She was
Speaker 1: thirty one, so I don't know what I should call
Speaker 1: a girl, a woman, a woman, a woman in Starbucks
Speaker 1: and she told me she had just started watching.
Speaker 2: Wow, I know, the first time, just now, and.
Speaker 1: She said, yes, it's really it resonates. I'm like, good, yes,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm really jealous. It's really fun to watch
Speaker 1: it the first time. She's very sweet, and I almost
Speaker 1: told her to listen to the podcast, but I didn't. Anyway,
Speaker 1: maybe she'd find us.
Speaker 2: I find you just start watching an episode then see Charlotte.
Speaker 1: I know, I was talking to her dog. She had
Speaker 1: a really cute dots and I was talking to her
Speaker 1: dog for a little bit before she figured it out.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. But also it's just so rare.
Speaker 1: It's so rare and kind of wonderful that people would
Speaker 1: just now be finding it. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that I thought about when one of the things people
Speaker 1: tell me and I thought about when I was rewatching
Speaker 1: this episode. You know how they just if you're on
Speaker 1: Netflix or on HBO Max, it just goes into the
Speaker 1: next episode. It's very hard to turn it off. It is.
Speaker 2: I fell into that trap.
Speaker 1: Me and I should totally know what is going to happen,
Speaker 1: but A I don't remember, and B you don't really
Speaker 1: care if you know what's gonna happen, you just don't
Speaker 1: want to stop. You don't want to stop. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that, you know, and it's it's
Speaker 1: all of us, I know. But like Sarah Jessica is
Speaker 1: just so fucking good, Like yes, it is crazy to me,
Speaker 1: Like I know her, I love her. Obviously, every time
Speaker 1: she went an word, I was like the biggest clapper,
Speaker 1: you know, like I always want her to win and
Speaker 1: I think she deserves everything. But like even now, I
Speaker 1: look back and I'm like the subtlety, the torn element
Speaker 1: you know in Big, because this is the episode where
Speaker 1: Big calls her when Aiden goes out to get a
Speaker 1: coffee filter. What I had forgotten all of this right,
Speaker 1: Like it's such a trip. But also John with his
Speaker 1: little baby face. It's just I mean, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And Chris, because you know, in the beginning, we're so
Speaker 1: so tortured. I felt as an audience and people are
Speaker 1: gonna text me and be like, are you talking about
Speaker 1: the show like it's real, And I'm like, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sucked in you guys, all right, yeah, And now
Speaker 1: it's real to me, I'm now understanding because all the
Speaker 1: whole time that I wasn't rewatching people talk to me
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, you know, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's faked. People. Right now, I totally understand. It seems
Speaker 1: so real. It seems so real because it's so well done.
Speaker 1: Like our writers did such a great job in the writing,
Speaker 1: and I mean all of us too, but like you
Speaker 1: have to start with the writing in these type situations,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like it's key. So anyway, She's
Speaker 1: just so good. And then when Chris, because we are
Speaker 1: I felt so tortured by him in the first season,
Speaker 1: like he's so withholding on and on and on. And
Speaker 1: then one of her things and this is the big
Speaker 1: theme of the episode that I need your male perspective
Speaker 1: on is timing, which I think is a really good question,
Speaker 1: really interesting question about people and relationships and what you're
Speaker 1: ready for and what you're not ready for, and how
Speaker 1: you can't really change that. Sometimes, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to be like, well, this person that I'm
Speaker 1: with needs a baby, Like in the Stephen Miranda situation,
Speaker 1: Steve wants a baby, and she's like, well, you're insane,
Speaker 1: And I totally see her point, Like we were talking
Speaker 1: about this before we started recording, like it does totally
Speaker 1: change your life. And on the other hand, I feel
Speaker 1: really bad for Steve.
Speaker 2: I do, but I am. I had a hard time
Speaker 2: to see you in this episode.
Speaker 1: He does seeild, Yes, And.
Speaker 2: I see this from men a lot that want a
Speaker 2: baby and do not think anything beyond the like, oh, Gewis,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great to play catch with my kid,
Speaker 2: won't it, And like they don't think about everything else
Speaker 2: that comes with it. Yeah, and you know who that
Speaker 2: falls on.
Speaker 1: I do, mom, I certainly do know. I certainly do know.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a single parent, as you know, but
Speaker 1: I mean it is I watch all my girlfriends go
Speaker 1: through this too. I mean it's like, in some ways
Speaker 1: I have it better because I don't have anybody to
Speaker 1: be mad at you know what I'm saying, which is great,
Speaker 1: I mean not County Hannah's husband. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I feel for both of them. That The reason that
Speaker 1: I feel for Steve is because I feel like when
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship with a person, man or woman,
Speaker 1: if that other person is having that baby feeling, you
Speaker 1: know that it's like a calling, you know, in my mind, right,
Speaker 1: you really have to honor it as the other person.
Speaker 1: Now that might mean saying to them, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm just not there, right, male or female. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that happens. Like Miranda's definitely not there. Of course we
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen, but let's just go with this episode. Right,
Speaker 1: she's not there. She's trying to be a partner at
Speaker 1: her job. She's very focused. She also feels like he's
Speaker 1: a child and she's not wrong, right, she is not
Speaker 1: wrong at all. But on the other hand, I feel
Speaker 1: like he's kind of he's so open, you know, he's
Speaker 1: so open, his heart is so open, and he puts
Speaker 1: up with her being kind of mean to him, you know,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, we just you know, we would
Speaker 1: be so great to have a baby, and like there's
Speaker 1: a part of me where I'm just like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: so pure, you know what I mean. But I can
Speaker 1: also see her point very much so, and of course
Speaker 1: we do know what does happen. But I have to say,
Speaker 1: because anyone who's seen the whole show, Steve is a
Speaker 1: great dat. Yes, yeah, he grows. He grows as a person,
Speaker 1: for sure, But when you see him watching that Scooby Doo,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I'm like, man, Miranda, hmm, you gotta.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. I mean the all me
Speaker 1: and mommy thing, and I mean we all do stuf
Speaker 1: refer to mean mommy. Like like I'll be like, like
Speaker 1: if we were working you know this this past past
Speaker 1: show and my kids were with us or whatever, I'd
Speaker 1: just be like, I was such a mean mommy. I
Speaker 1: was a mean mommy this morning. Like we're still it's
Speaker 1: like a lingo, you know what I mean, because we
Speaker 1: all get it. We've all been there. We've all been there. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about Carrie's storyline. Yes, Okay, So they
Speaker 1: start it's her and baby Face Aiden, which I think
Speaker 1: is just what we should call it because it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like almost like a different person. It's
Speaker 1: super interesting, like really adorable, very adorable, so adorable, and
Speaker 1: like like when I'm jumping around, but when he has
Speaker 1: his dog, I also love that all these dogs are
Speaker 1: showing up now and I'm about to get my dog too.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what came over our writers. They
Speaker 1: were just like, does everyone get dogs? But I love it?
Speaker 1: Of course. So Aiden's got his dog and Steve gets
Speaker 1: his dog. In this episode, Charlotte doesn't have her dog yet,
Speaker 1: but she's she's coming. But when he Carrie tells him
Speaker 1: that she has to go on the boat party, and
Speaker 1: he's out there by himself with the dog, and he's
Speaker 1: just like, oh shucks, Like he's adorable.
Speaker 2: That outfit he's wearing in that moment he looks just
Speaker 2: up at a studio fifty four. Yeah, he's got this
Speaker 2: like purple kind of shirt that's like unbuttoned a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's like cool glasses. It's very groovy and that see.
Speaker 1: I mean, John's pretty groovy. I would have to ask
Speaker 1: Mollie who put what on him? At that point. I
Speaker 1: do know, as I think I've said already, that John
Speaker 1: has a lot of say in his wardrobe. Yes, and
Speaker 1: John has a very unique, you know, sense of style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think his vibe it does.
Speaker 1: It definitely matches his vibe. He's a very unique person.
Speaker 2: And one other thing I want to point out about
Speaker 2: Aiden's room that I watching this. He has a Ouiji
Speaker 2: board at the foot of his bed that like out
Speaker 2: of He's using it as a counter for because there's
Speaker 2: like a bowl of cereal it. He has a Wigi
Speaker 2: board sitting down there. I'm like, what's Itiden doing in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. Is we submoning spirits who
Speaker 2: just asually has a Wigi board sitting around there? Phone,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Believe you notice that is so funny. I didn't even notice,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure John Corbett was like, yes, yes, leave
Speaker 1: the Ouiji board, the Oigi board stay. I mean, who
Speaker 1: in set deck came up with that would be my
Speaker 1: question for that. And I never ever noticed. But I
Speaker 1: did notice that we see Charlotte's door in hallway. So
Speaker 1: I'm getting more apartment. It's a good thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I've moved away from the two flats that were in
Speaker 1: my bedroom, even though previously we had that the time
Speaker 1: where Samantha sleeps with my dormant and we had a
Speaker 1: hallway with a bookcase in it. Yes, but that was
Speaker 1: a real apartment that wasn't a set, and we never
Speaker 1: see it again because I was like, wait, what is that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Luckily it was white, right, so it wasn't like not
Speaker 1: true to Charlotte. But I was like, I've never seen
Speaker 1: that hallway. And then also when I am a man
Speaker 1: and I take the picture, I hang it in a hallway. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I don't know what that hallway
Speaker 1: is either, where's that hallway? But maybe they got they
Speaker 1: put my white flat in a hallway position. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But this was an actual I feel like a set
Speaker 1: of an apartment door. I don't think we were on location.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I figure that out when I'm watching
Speaker 2: this and like, okay, this was a set. What was real?
Speaker 2: I thought that for a second. I'm sorry, this is
Speaker 2: so naive of me. I thought. When I was watching
Speaker 2: the boat, I was like, are they actually because I
Speaker 2: know it wasn't a The green screens were good at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, they were horrible. They were horrible. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is like the year two thousand, so we could
Speaker 1: never afford that it was like so expensive to us
Speaker 1: a green screen or should do anything in posts? Like
Speaker 1: when they would say like, oh we have to do
Speaker 1: it in post, that meant everyone was having a breakdown.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It like the digital of
Speaker 1: it all had not happened, had not made it to
Speaker 1: the screen, really, you know.
Speaker 2: And I also thought for a second that the boat
Speaker 2: was maybe just docked.
Speaker 1: We're out there, we're out there, and that wind is blowing.
Speaker 1: You can see my hair.
Speaker 2: That was my next question is how much adr did
Speaker 2: you have to do for that?
Speaker 1: Oh? I might have had to do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean we are always body micd Now you might
Speaker 1: ask where would we put those body mics because it
Speaker 1: is a big challenge, Okay, big challenge. And I'm wearing
Speaker 1: that little cheffon Doul chain to Gobana dress. I can
Speaker 1: tell you for sure that mic is in a place
Speaker 1: that we cannot discuss. That mic is hidden in a
Speaker 1: place that's super uncomfortable, and that involves being in a
Speaker 1: dressing room to do which is not normal for sets.
Speaker 1: Like the sound guys want to come up and put
Speaker 1: the mic on you on set. That's what they like.
Speaker 1: But we just teach our guys, like, just put the
Speaker 1: mic and the mic pack in my dressing room. I
Speaker 1: know how to turn it on. Let us handle it
Speaker 1: because it's going to be in some clothing in a
Speaker 1: way that you can't can't get to, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's just how it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: And back then the mike packs were like decently large,
Speaker 1: so it was uncomfortable. They're much smaller now, thank god,
Speaker 1: thank god it's a whole drama. But they never would
Speaker 1: trust like a boom. I mean, we would have a
Speaker 1: boom there because you're always trying to get double. And
Speaker 1: then we did do a fair amount of ADR. But
Speaker 1: when I watched the scene with Kyle, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like I didn't feel like it was ADR. But maybe
Speaker 1: that's just how good we are. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yea, the perform felt like it was in the moment,
Speaker 2: but it sounded really good. So I was like, they're
Speaker 2: on that. I know they're on a windy boat.
Speaker 1: I know I would because you can see my hair
Speaker 1: is going crazy. Because I was gonna say, I wonder
Speaker 1: if they put up a wind screen, because sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: put up like just off camera, like a windscreen that
Speaker 1: someone's holding like, oh, you know, but my hair is
Speaker 1: obviously very much wind blown, and Kyle's is like slightly
Speaker 1: wind blown, but not as much as mine because I'm
Speaker 1: on the edge, you know, the railing of the boat.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't know. I need to watch
Speaker 1: it now again to tell you. Easton. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but I think it's the body mic. I mean, if
Speaker 1: we looped it, we did. We did really well, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. But I mean I do
Speaker 1: feel like there was looping for every episode. I'd say
Speaker 1: at that point, like like we would go in and
Speaker 1: we knew our guys and we you know, it was
Speaker 1: like part of it, you know what I'm saying, It's.
Speaker 2: Part of the process.
Speaker 1: Totally, totally. Okay. So Carrie, we start in bed with
Speaker 1: the baby faced Aiden and they're like they're never leaving,
Speaker 1: They've got food. She says, when do you think they're
Speaker 1: going to send someone to get us? And he's like
Speaker 1: maybe when spring thaw comes or something. Adorable. It's very adorable,
Speaker 1: so it's obviously going very very well. Then she goes
Speaker 1: she goes out this crazy outfit with these lavender tights
Speaker 1: up to her her waist, which I feel like someone
Speaker 1: just dresses Halloween And did you see that, Hannah? Oh,
Speaker 1: it was on our social I think that someone wore
Speaker 1: it for Halloween. That particular outfit. It's like shorts or
Speaker 1: a skirt. It's a skirt over some purple tights with
Speaker 1: high high heels and some kind of a mid drift
Speaker 1: bearing situation. I don't know. It's adorable. It's not one
Speaker 1: that I remember, but I do need to ask Molly
Speaker 1: about it because it's really funny and good. It's like
Speaker 1: a six year old my dress.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I love the wide shot of her like exasperated,
Speaker 2: was stomping away from the dry clear.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. And the funny thing I think when
Speaker 1: I watch those moments, Sarah is so physical. Her comedic
Speaker 1: timing and her physicality is so good, and over time
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel I don't know if I
Speaker 1: should say this, but I feel like she didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that as much or whatever, but back in
Speaker 1: the day she was so free with it, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's really good because that shot across the street.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of what I love about Allison's direction
Speaker 1: this particular episode especially, there's a lot of two shots
Speaker 1: and a lot of masters, as we would call them,
Speaker 1: that they just keep in the master for a decent
Speaker 1: amount of time. Like there's a whole scene with Carrie
Speaker 1: and Big when they first bump into each other in
Speaker 1: the boat. I think they're in the master for a
Speaker 1: while because this guy kind of jostles them and they
Speaker 1: fall into each other. But then we cut into her
Speaker 1: face and you could just see her looking at him
Speaker 1: with such powerful eyes, you know, and then they when
Speaker 1: we go back and we see them again on the boat,
Speaker 1: there's a master for kind of a bit of time,
Speaker 1: just to see their body language. It's so good, And
Speaker 1: I remember really wanting to do that a lot more.
Speaker 1: And then someone somewhere, possibly HBO people, wanted to cut
Speaker 1: into two close ups. But I remember Sir Jessica used
Speaker 1: to always say, you know, we need the distant shots
Speaker 1: so that you can see the whole outfit and the
Speaker 1: shoes and really get a feeling of the city.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, And to me as a viewer, those shots
Speaker 2: feel I feel like I'm there at the party. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm part of this, you know, as watching
Speaker 2: TV shows, right, like if you were there.
Speaker 1: The party and you just looked over like you're a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That does feel like that. I totally felt
Speaker 1: that way too, and I was there, but I still
Speaker 1: totally felt that way. So we're with Aiden, we're with
Speaker 1: Aid and Carry, and they're in bed and they're not
Speaker 1: going to get out and they have to send people.
Speaker 1: Then she's going to go to this party for a
Speaker 1: magazine called Gab, which obviously made up right like what
Speaker 1: on Earth? And then she dropped some very funny names
Speaker 1: when they're on that boat. But she's going to go
Speaker 1: to the magazine party, and then Aiden basically says like
Speaker 1: I don't want to go, which is adorable and odd
Speaker 1: a little bit, but obviously we need to see big
Speaker 1: so it's fine. Then she tries to get her clothes
Speaker 1: from the dry cleaner in the funny outfit. She tries
Speaker 1: twice and they're like no, which I also feel. The
Speaker 1: drag cleaner's in New York City, for some reason, are
Speaker 1: never open and it makes no sense, like everything is
Speaker 1: supposed to be open, just like we say on the show.
Speaker 1: I've had this experience myself. You walk by in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day, the drag cleaner's closed, like why, why?
Speaker 1: It's odd? Anyway, I feel what carry's going through. So
Speaker 1: then we're at the boat and for some reason Natasha
Speaker 1: is not there, which he never explains, and she never
Speaker 1: really presses, which is also interesting. But she also kind
Speaker 1: of get the feeling that he came to see her
Speaker 1: where she feels, but then she doesn't know because she's
Speaker 1: all like trying to be appropriate and whatnot, you know,
Speaker 1: slightly aloof and she walks away from him, which I
Speaker 1: thought was so great, right, And he's very you know,
Speaker 1: charming basically in his way, and he asked her if
Speaker 1: they're seeing someone, and she says yes and that he's perfect,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so then this part I didn't remember
Speaker 1: this at all. And it's so funny to think about
Speaker 1: voicemail machines that we all used to have. But when
Speaker 1: you go to play the voicemail machine, everyone in the
Speaker 1: room can hear it, Like how mortifying? How do we
Speaker 1: live through this?
Speaker 2: It's funny I think about, like when you play it
Speaker 2: back when we can hear And also if you're at
Speaker 2: home with friends and someone calls her like, oh, let
Speaker 2: the machine get it, they're going to hear it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I mean I can't believe more problems didn't
Speaker 1: happen like you know, it's like, wow, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: So Carrie, Carrie comes home with Aiden, and Aiden says
Speaker 1: something vague about like I'm going to set the timer,
Speaker 1: and I was like timer, does he have a child
Speaker 1: who has iPad? Time? Like That's what went through my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, where did they didn't go? But the
Speaker 1: other funny thing is that her apartment's really tiny, so
Speaker 1: he just walks to the little kitchenette area. He could
Speaker 1: totally have heard Big yes, but he acts like he doesn't.
Speaker 1: And he says, you know, they do. They also cut
Speaker 1: to him from her angle right that looks like he's
Speaker 1: far away. He's so not far away, which I think
Speaker 1: we all know right, like now that we know her
Speaker 1: apartment like the back of her hand. But she's right
Speaker 1: there by the door playing and BIG's like loud like
Speaker 1: I carry him downstairs or whatever. I'm on your corner.
Speaker 1: He says something like in a panic. He sounds like
Speaker 1: panic for him, right, and she's like ah and she
Speaker 1: stops it. So then Aiden says, you're out of coffee filters,
Speaker 1: and I think he says, does he say he's going
Speaker 1: to the Korean to get it? He says something weird.
Speaker 2: That is what he said. Jumped out at me. As
Speaker 2: not having been a New Yorker in the two thousands,
Speaker 2: I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Assume Bodega, yes, Bodega, Aiden, do you not know? And
Speaker 1: I guess the truth is he might not. He's Aiden,
Speaker 1: he's from Virginia where he's from, right, like you know
Speaker 1: Woods totally. I was like, that's so funny that you're
Speaker 1: going to Korean but okay, So he's going to the
Speaker 1: Korean to get it, to get a coffee filter and
Speaker 1: then he there, he leaves and then there's not knocking.
Speaker 1: She opens the door. She thinks it's Aidan, but it's Big.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Panic. I felt panic. And then she says,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And he says, didn't you
Speaker 1: get my message? And she goes, what wait? I paused it?
Speaker 1: And then he says, was that the guy the perfect boyfriend?
Speaker 1: And she was like yes, and he's coming back. And
Speaker 1: I felt very stressed, very stressed, even though I couldn't
Speaker 1: really remember what happened. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: Aiden comes back and finds him, but I mean he
Speaker 1: totally could. What the heck? Right? And then Big is
Speaker 1: all like I'm so fucked up. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that is lame, man, what did you think?
Speaker 2: I had the exact same reaction. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I remember acting like this when I was like seventeen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like doing some big dramatic the drama.
Speaker 1: Drama. Yeah, the drama is a lot.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine hearing that. That's like how old is
Speaker 2: big supposed to be? Like it is like forties. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, man, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure that's who he is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess that's it is who he is.
Speaker 1: But it did I did think about the drama, and
Speaker 1: I did think about like, huh, like I don't really
Speaker 1: remember this, but it works, right because I think the
Speaker 1: reason that it works, or that it seems like it
Speaker 1: could happen, is that he is so withholding and covered
Speaker 1: that then like he's not fluid, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to communicate really, and she seems to understand
Speaker 1: that somehow, you know, which is kind of sweet, but
Speaker 1: then also really not.
Speaker 2: Does he leave the message? The message is before the
Speaker 2: party on the boat, okay, because I'm wondering, like how
Speaker 2: much of his overflow of emotion and passion for Carrie
Speaker 2: is from seeing her and learning that she has someone
Speaker 2: new in the idea that even though he's with Natasha,
Speaker 2: she is now even more entertainable.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Easton, you're right on. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about all those things. I mean, for me, what
Speaker 1: I thought, because I'm a woman, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's just been pining. He's just been pining and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to see her. So he gets
Speaker 1: he goes to this party thinking he's going to see her.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bring his wife because he's pining. Right, I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about the whole unobtainable But that's so true.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree that he did probably go without
Speaker 2: Natasha to see her, but then then the extra layer
Speaker 2: of like maybe the reality of seeing her coupled with
Speaker 2: she has a boyfriend that she thinks is perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that can hurt. That can hurt good
Speaker 1: time for sure. And I think he definitely seems to
Speaker 1: be And I don't know if this is true for
Speaker 1: all men. I know there are some people who think
Speaker 1: this is true for all men. But you know, he's
Speaker 1: seen to be the type of man who needs a
Speaker 1: bit of a chase situation.
Speaker 2: Yes, he does.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's what I think about that. But
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that's all men.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's all men, but I think it's
Speaker 2: a large majority. And I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: the right. Like I've seen this. I don't personally believe this,
Speaker 2: but I have seen this out there the whole like
Speaker 2: men are hunters. They want to you know, like I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of it's dumb, but like part of
Speaker 2: me is like, h God, is there any is there
Speaker 2: truth to that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if there's truth to
Speaker 1: it either. I wonder about that. I mean, they're very
Speaker 1: well might be truth. I mean it's also like you
Speaker 1: remember when Charlotte dates are a handyman. Yeah, because there's something
Speaker 1: adorable about a guy fixing things in your apartment. Like
Speaker 1: that's such a very old school kind of thing. But
Speaker 1: I mean I relate to it.
Speaker 2: It's true. I can't. I'll fix the WiFi. My wife doesn't.
Speaker 2: She does not react at.
Speaker 1: All but positive.
Speaker 2: She's excited, she's happy, but she's not like but if
Speaker 2: I man, I I've changed a light fixture the first time.
Speaker 2: That was another level. You know, when it's like something.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that's adorable. It's nice. It's definitely nice.
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend once who was frustrated with the
Speaker 1: door in my old New York apartment because it was
Speaker 1: like off or so I don't know something, and he
Speaker 1: took it off the hinges and he standed it and
Speaker 1: I took a lot of pictures wow, because it was
Speaker 1: so cute. Yeah, so I totally know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I totally know what you're saying. And what is that? Like,
Speaker 1: where does that come from?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, like is that socialization or is that
Speaker 1: like innately in our brain, I wants.
Speaker 2: To take care of me and make sure make me
Speaker 2: feel safe.
Speaker 1: I don't really want that, right, So it's interesting because technically,
Speaker 1: intellectually I don't actually want that, but then yet my
Speaker 1: brain still responds, know what I mean exactly. It's wacky.
Speaker 1: It's wacky. So with big, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: All the different things play in for sure, And I
Speaker 1: also feel like the drama plays in of like I'm
Speaker 1: on the corner, Like that's not that's like I don't
Speaker 1: like that, Like I would want someone to call me
Speaker 1: and be like I'm on your corner. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But obviously they're not us, right, But
Speaker 1: it's very high drama, Like he's making it high drama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing this like street.
Speaker 1: Car name definitely so streetcar, so streetcar. And then he
Speaker 1: waits till he leaves, and I mean it's a lot
Speaker 1: of drama. But this is back to Sara Jessca. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everybody's very good in this, but like, yes,
Speaker 1: the way that she doesn't overplay somehow, like she's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent grounded and there and her eyes are saying
Speaker 1: so much, but she's also just very she just trusts
Speaker 1: the material and the writing and the situation a wait,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't overdo it in any way because if
Speaker 1: she had, it would be bad. Yes, you know, like
Speaker 1: it makes me really appreciate her, the intelligent way that
Speaker 1: she looks at material.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's a it's a masterclass. I really watching it,
Speaker 2: really really is.
Speaker 1: And she's so funny in the early and so charming,
Speaker 1: and then she's so real and like so panicked, and
Speaker 1: you know she does have the amazing Aiden at this point,
Speaker 1: especially super amazing Aiden, right, like really none of his
Speaker 1: things have shown up yet.
Speaker 2: No, I'm a very public and longtime Aiden. I know,
Speaker 2: I know which I've talked to your ear off about
Speaker 2: watching this episode, and you know, trin this episode on
Speaker 2: and I go, this is an eight episode, and here
Speaker 2: we go, get let's fire up some hating and then no,
Speaker 2: he's he has not committed any since to at.
Speaker 1: This point, that really doesn't I don't think it's until
Speaker 1: the wall. Yes, I think the wall is when we
Speaker 1: get the first taste of like the oddities of Aiden
Speaker 1: or whatever. But he means, well, I mean I haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to rewatch that yet. I only have the veguess
Speaker 1: of memory. But it's kind of like what we're saying
Speaker 1: that the positives of him just kind of gone too far.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, exactly right. I think in a different excep
Speaker 2: thinking about this, I'm like, normally I would be on
Speaker 2: him for not going with her to the party. I know, like,
Speaker 2: it wasn't that it wasn't that big of a deal
Speaker 2: to her, so that he didn't come. She didn't, She
Speaker 2: wasn't mad.
Speaker 1: She was it's not her part. I mean, she's her party.
Speaker 2: She's just gonna go. She's not super excited about the
Speaker 2: GAB party. But I think there's another version where I'm like,
Speaker 2: he should have gone with her that party and then
Speaker 2: this big thing wouldn't have happened. I didn't. I did
Speaker 2: not react that way. But I could see that, and
Speaker 2: I was trying to think, like, why didn't I react
Speaker 2: that way? Because Aiden is fine at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing I think about it that I
Speaker 1: liked about it because also I was like, well, why
Speaker 1: didn't he go? I think it's because I think it's
Speaker 1: because they're very different. And part of what we like
Speaker 1: about him is that he's different from her, right, because
Speaker 1: Big is similar to her. I mean, he's a much
Speaker 1: more big deal than her, meaning the way the characters
Speaker 1: are at that point in their lives. Right. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes to those parties because he's in
Speaker 1: the business, which she makes a little side joke. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if people realize who he's based on
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, a publisher person. But you know,
Speaker 1: the idea of Big is that he was like a
Speaker 1: very successful person in her same social circles, right, and
Speaker 1: then Aiden is totally out of her social circles, a
Speaker 1: furniture maker from some country place that we don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they said it somewhere I have to look back.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's different, and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: kind of nice, right, And I think that's why Aiden
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go. And he's not saying I need
Speaker 1: to be with you all the time, which is actually
Speaker 1: nice from Aiden.
Speaker 2: Right, allowing her to have this separate part of her life. Right,
Speaker 2: And he's not jealous, Yeah, exactly, very secure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not like who are you going to meet?
Speaker 1: Which is good, which is very good, very good. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Aiden's super interesting at this point to me. So then
Speaker 1: Big comes, he's up mess self and she's very sweet
Speaker 1: to him, and she basically says at the very end
Speaker 1: that oh he leaves after he says himself up. And
Speaker 1: then Carrie listens to the message that he left on
Speaker 1: the machine and he says he misses her and he
Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about her. And she says, this is
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted to hear a year ago. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I felt that. I mean, like, this is the timing situation,
Speaker 1: and this is what I think if I could say,
Speaker 1: I have like a list of things that I would
Speaker 1: like to say to younger women, and this is one
Speaker 1: of them. And I have at some point said this
Speaker 1: to different younger women. I know, but here's the chance
Speaker 1: to say it to more. I think that one of
Speaker 1: the biggest things that I didn't understand was the timing
Speaker 1: of like where people are in life and how that
Speaker 1: is going to relate to a relationship. I felt like,
Speaker 1: if the feeling is strong enough, that is going to
Speaker 1: dictate what someone is ready for. But I do not
Speaker 1: think that's true. Now very Charlotte, I mean so Charlotte,
Speaker 1: so Charlotte. But also I think Charlotte thinks that she's
Speaker 1: only going to meet people that she's going to know
Speaker 1: and meet people who want what she wants, yes, right,
Speaker 1: and she makes a lot of efforts for that to happen,
Speaker 1: like her wacky episode where she's like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: call the married guys of my friends or whatever. She's
Speaker 1: just like, huh what what friends like what? But I
Speaker 1: guess Charlotte has other friends and then that doesn't go
Speaker 1: that well. But that's how she meets Trey. But you know,
Speaker 1: like she has her her different methodologies that she's going
Speaker 1: to try to use to get that. But I think
Speaker 1: she just assumes in an interesting way that you know,
Speaker 1: these other guys want to you know, settle down and
Speaker 1: get married and have you know, two point five kids
Speaker 1: and live in a big apartment or whatever she wants.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, isn't that what she wants?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do think that's naive, right, But
Speaker 1: I also think at the time, and I see this
Speaker 1: in the writing of the show in a way that
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of, but I really notice it now
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty five perspective. The background of the show,
Speaker 1: even with Miranda, who I never thought of as being
Speaker 1: like this, And I've actually said to Cynthia, like, did
Speaker 1: you remember that Miranda used to talk about trying to
Speaker 1: get married? She's like what, I'm like, there's multiple episodes
Speaker 1: where you just got not Like. What I remember Miranda
Speaker 1: is that she's super independent and she wants to be
Speaker 1: a partner, and she's you know, strong in all those things,
Speaker 1: and that she is worried about dying alone. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I feel like that makes perfect emotional sense. There's that
Speaker 1: one where her interior designer gets married to the guy
Speaker 1: and she's like, that should have been me, and now
Speaker 1: no one's going to be with me. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who's that person? But I think The
Speaker 1: background of the conversation in the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine was that all women want to get married.
Speaker 1: That was the background, right, So that's where we're coming from.
Speaker 1: So then like, that's why Samantha is like an outlier,
Speaker 1: like a total complete outlier. Whereas now in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: the statistics of the unmarried women are different. They were
Speaker 1: changing already, right, And that's why they put us on
Speaker 1: the cover of the Time magazine and wrote who needs
Speaker 1: a husband? Which is one of my most favorite things ever,
Speaker 1: as I think I say more than once. But now
Speaker 1: the statistics match it, right, And especially like women over forty,
Speaker 1: there's so many who've gotten divorced, and they're just like,
Speaker 1: I don't have time for that. I have my own income,
Speaker 1: I can travel, I can do what I want, and
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. But that
Speaker 1: was just starting in the year two thousand. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the background noise. The background noise was
Speaker 1: all women want to get married. Yes, it's interesting, Yes, okay, everybody,
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging with me in Easton. We have so
Speaker 1: much to talk about that we are going to come
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Speaker 2: Charlotte, We'll see you there, yeah,