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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a

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Speaker 1: to a special Quarantine edition of All the Smoke. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you all the day? Hey, it was a good morning, bro,

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Speaker 1: it was a good morning. I'm ready to rock one

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. What's up with you though? Bro? You're good? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good now you you didn't woke me up?

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Speaker 1: You you're in a good movie. I'm a good movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to rock. You're in a good move and

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm in a great move. Man. I like

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Speaker 1: to welcome man a former teammate of mine Man the

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Speaker 1: NBA iron Man twenty two years, half man, half amazing.

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Speaker 1: My friend, her brother Vince Carter Man, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: See what's something my mother Man. We finally tracked track

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Speaker 1: this man there as a busy man, right's years a

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Speaker 1: busy man man doing doing that. I can't stay off

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Speaker 1: we get there. I see you wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: So that year, you remember playing Memphis and Matt about

423
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: to get me thrown up because like it's just like

424
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Matt's energy. We know how it is. And he was

425
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: about to get into with the big fellow from Memphis

426
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: at the time to be was about to whip his

427
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: big ass to be from from Yukon. So he pushing,

428
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: he started pushing everybody. Well, but I watched that a

429
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, was like many just then, but

430
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: we're just about to get exacted, just because like it's

431
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: just it's just it's just a different game. And I

432
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: just love, like and I really had appreciation for playing

433
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: against both of you obviously playing two steps with Matt,

434
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I want to talk about quick like yeah,

435
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: just you know, the love and and for the game.

436
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: And you remember we had probably different teammates and we're depleted.

437
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 1: People don't understand like how many people got hurt, how

438
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: many people came to our team, Like who's it? Like

439
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 1: maybe me, you and maybe two other people are the

440
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: only ones who made it the whole season. Beginning of

441
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: the season that was outside of that, we're bringing guys

442
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: coming in at ten days start starting in playoff games,

443
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember coaches like you guys, you

444
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: know if you want to chill, you know, chilling and

445
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: not play or whatever. I'm like, hell now, like just

446
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: just ain't that, you know. So it just was appreciation

447
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: how how the league is now and what we've been

448
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: a part of so over four decades. It's like, Bro,

449
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: I've seen it all. I've seen a change, and you know,

450
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: it's just it's been. It's been. It's been fun. Did

451
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: it was great? I remember Pop tell me you can't

452
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: bring a spoon to a knife fight. When we just

453
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: playing San Antonio in the first round, Bro, we battled

454
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: our ass off. We just didn't have yeah, you know,

455
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean we just didn't have enough. And that's that's

456
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: what it was. It's like the pride like like that's

457
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: and that's that's why I'm playing. Why I am. But

458
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I want to play. I want to whoot like I

459
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: want to earn it. I want to earn it, Like

460
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: if if we were to beat the Spurs, Bro with

461
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: that group, come on, man, I want to wear like

462
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: me I came from the error of you. You gotta

463
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: earn it, bro, you gotta earn it, like I don't

464
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: want to give it to me, Like I just I

465
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: appreciate it, but now I want to go out there

466
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: and earn it. That's why I'm still playing. That's why

467
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to play. And yeah, I wanted to play ball,

468
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: like yeah, I didn't get a championship. I wanted one,

469
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: just like every other player, you know what I'm saying.

470
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: But it didn't happen that way. But at the same time,

471
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't sacrificing just me as a person like who lives. Yeah,

472
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: I love the game too much to just sit there

473
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: like and at the end of the day that I

474
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: hold that ring up, it's cool, like, oh he got

475
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: his dream, But did I earn it because I said that,

476
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: I just that's just not me and and and it

477
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: ain't no knocking to nobody. It's just came from a

478
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: different error. I don't want even bring home. I don't

479
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: count MU championship and state. I appreciate the opportunity, but

480
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: blah blah. But like, to me, I've earned everything like

481
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: that that I just had the best fucking seat in

482
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: the house to watch an amazing team winning championships. To me,

483
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: that should don't even him, like I appreciate the opportunity.

484
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: I still got to get that ship from Raymond. Shout

485
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: out Raymond. I told Hi, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna

486
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: come to a game this year and pick it up.

487
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: But I'm the same way man, like I was, like,

488
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, you pick it up at all. That's crazy,

489
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But I'm gonna grab but I'll tell you.

490
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you. But I say this, if they

491
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: asked forty five year old events, which two years away,

492
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: forty five year events, if you would love to come

493
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: for our team and be a mentor, that's different, you know.

494
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: But when I when I know I can still compete

495
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: against these guys, That's why I wanted to play. You know.

496
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna play big minutes or whatever. But

497
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: I still felt like I could give something. I can

498
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: give something the game, and I could do work in

499
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: the games too. Like when I feel like maybe the

500
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: game has passed, but y'all still want to give you

501
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: some monody to play, that's different. That's a different story.

502
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: But it's time. I know when it's time, and I

503
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: don't want to overstate my world. Talk to us a

504
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: little bit about to you personally to Vince Carter, what

505
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: was your favorite era to play in for sure, like

506
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: late nineties early two thousand's. I mean, that's that's what

507
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: it was. You earned your keys. So that goes back

508
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: on what I was just saying. You had to you

509
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: keep watching the Last Dance and just watching how the

510
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: Bad Boys was just destroying MJ through the lane. It's

511
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: just like that's just what it was. That just you

512
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: understood it made you tough mentally and physically. When I

513
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: was able to have my own team and win or lose,

514
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: That's just what it was. That's what I wanted. I

515
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: had to go through Indiana at the time to Pistons Cleveland,

516
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: when you know you had to go through, That's what

517
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, you're gonna get back last like oh

518
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: he can't do it? Like all right, well running back

519
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: next year. That's just what it was. And I enjoyed

520
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: playing back in the air. I learned a lot. It

521
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: made me mentally and physically tough and able to just

522
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: persevere through anything because, like I tell you, back back

523
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: in the day, bro like for all the dunk that

524
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: I was trying to do and do it like we

525
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: see the dunks with that man, there were sometimes when

526
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: I used to get fucked up. It was it's just

527
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: like yo, y'all, fella, no, but you ain't about to

528
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: keep flying up here and think it's all good because

529
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: you were people. You were sucking people like Ego up

530
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years. Like because the way

531
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: you were dunking on motherfucker's when you first came in.

532
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Like I still get chills thinking about some of your

533
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: dunks your first couple of years in Toronto. It's just

534
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: like you would really embarrassed motherfucker. So I can only

535
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: imagine how hard that I care put you right because

536
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: they wanted to bro you. That ship was crazy. Well

537
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: we'll get to it at that point. But like the

538
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: what the ship you used to do a little bit

539
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: about night tonight. Every night it was a battle. You're

540
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: going against Prime Code Prime, Paul Pierce, uh T mac

541
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: uh we on our test and Jack in Indiana. You

542
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There was every single night it

543
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: was a battle at that two or three position to

544
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: speak to the competition at that time as well. And

545
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: that's what it was like. It was like, let's say

546
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: you had to earn your keys. You didn't know any

547
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: other way. It wasn't like, oh yeah, we gotta do it. Obviously,

548
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: you hope through the draft and create agency, you form

549
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: your team, But you know, I wanted to I want

550
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: to beat those guys. I wanted to beat the best.

551
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to compete against the best. And that's how

552
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: you know where you stand in your career. I want

553
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: something I lost, and and that's just what it was

554
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: and how it goes. But I wouldn't have it any

555
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: other way. The last dance, we've touched on it a

556
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: little bit. What is it like for you, because I

557
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: think today we get spoiled the accessibility that fans have

558
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: due to social media. You know, I think MJ was

559
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: the one superstar and we're all, you know, fans and

560
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: respect MJ. We never got to see the other side

561
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: of Mike. We saw game Mike. We saw Mike selling

562
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: shoes and we just see nothing else. We've seen the

563
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: crying Jordan's face. You know, that was it, you know

564
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. So to be able to get there

565
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and almost like a social media look

566
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: at what the Bulls are going through back then in

567
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: the late nineties and in their runs. What are your

568
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? So It's crazy because for those who

569
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't play against them or wasn't far like we're we're

570
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: pretty much close to to to MJ's retirement him playing,

571
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: so we were right around that area that error. But

572
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: for those who only hear about Mike's worth that work ethic,

573
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: how much of an asshole he was? Uh? And all

574
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: he cared about women? You know, we don't We saw

575
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: that with Cole, but they didn't see it with Mike,

576
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: and you know, and and and you people didn't know

577
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: he was just like all right, you know, he the greatest,

578
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: but all right, that's why I think what younger generations

579
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: kind of in them, but like, all right, he was cool,

580
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: but exactly exactly, but what what the bottom was so special? Bro?

581
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: You watch that now when people ask this these questions

582
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: about who's the greatest and blah blah blah, I'm like,

583
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: what rules are we using? Because if you put some

584
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: of the players and start u stuff today in that

585
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: error with hand checking and the physicality and what is

586
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: considered a flavor, now, I don't care how good it

587
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: is right now, it's a different different Somebody holding on

588
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: your shots the whole way it's legal, and when you

589
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: run through the paint and you can get bumped. It's different.

590
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: And that's my argument with people. It's like, it ain't

591
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: no disrespect to anybody because they're all great. You're gonna

592
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: argue back and forth and everybody's gonna have their opinion.

593
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, which rules are we using? Because when

594
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: you say, if you say we're using today's rules, okay,

595
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: well didn't take Michael Jordan's who's batter than bruising getting

596
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: fucked up every time he was running around off the

597
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: screen through the paint and put them in the rules

598
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: today A And that's my argument, And it's no disrespect

599
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: to any of these guys, then that's my point. Whatever

600
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: you say, you're gonna ruffle feathers and that's cool. But

601
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: I got the opportunity to play against Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,

602
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: and Lebron James, so I've got to see all of

603
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: them in their element. Not obviously I didn't played against

604
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Pride Mike, but Mike was pretty damn good that points.

605
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: And fourth, yeah, where do you put those sir? You

606
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: got a chance to play against all those three in

607
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: your from your opinion, where do you put Mike, Kobe

608
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: and m J. I gotta go with m J. See,

609
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to pick current players and put

610
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: them against the past because I'm still playing one and

611
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna give them that advantage. That's just what

612
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: it is until I'm done. But too, it's just what

613
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, m m J. Okay, all right,

614
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna breaking down like this, how many times m

615
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: J went to the finals? Please anybody? Six times? And

616
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: one every time? Okay, So he's on the feast, so

617
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: you don't know what it's like to lose in the finals.

618
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: He can say undefeated. If you can say that, that's

619
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: number one right there. But at the same time, I

620
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: have to give lebronest problems. That man went to the

621
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: NBA finals eight straight nine times. Correct, Incredible, incredible, And

622
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: so I say this, and when you go that many times,

623
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. That's that's three you're gonna That's just

624
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: that's just how it goes. And and and we're in

625
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: the world where numbers matter, and said, look at his

626
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: winning records. How many times to cold go six or seven? Seven? Yeah, Look,

627
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: that's you know people always talking about their winning percentage. Well,

628
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: that's the time to talk about winning percentage. That's that's

629
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: and that's why, that's why I say it. But you know,

630
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: it depends on what you're talking about the greatest one

631
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: of the greatest athletes to play this game, James. See,

632
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: I can have that conversation with you. I can had

633
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: that conversation with you because you your future Hall of

634
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Fame and you didn't played the game a long time

635
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: and we didn't have a lot of bags. We've been

636
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: in the game. But when it's people that really don't

637
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: understand the game, I just leave it at they're all

638
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: on Goat Island and none of us is invited. I'm

639
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna leave it a dead no. And you know what,

640
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: that's well said. That's well said, And that's what I said,

641
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: cause you're gonna always rough for feathers if you're died

642
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: by bron fan, you think it's disrespect when you say

643
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: otherwise about him, Code and and and Mike. So that

644
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: that's just it's gonna be an ongoing battle because unless

645
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: they ever played against each other, just imagine them playing

646
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: against each other. Though, So for the record, you got

647
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: m J Code, but then lebron Ken Lebron and your

648
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: in your opinion with Lebron's maybe two three years left,

649
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe four? Can does he have an opportunity in your mind?

650
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Possibly jump code? He has an opportunity, I mean, and

651
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's just gonna be based off of what

652
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: he gets done. But I can said, uh, he gets

653
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: to the finals again, I mean, you're just gonna give

654
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: him more credit now ten times in the fight, like

655
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: just insane. He got to the finals double did you?

656
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: And you know it's just it's just let's I just

657
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: say to people, let's just wait and see, wait until

658
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: they're all when it's all set and done, then it's

659
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: fair to have a real debate. Because we're talking about

660
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: MJ and those they can't score any more points. That's it.

661
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: They can't score any more point, so they've they've already

662
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: done what they had to do. Let's let let's see

663
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: what Lebron does and how it all plays out and

664
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: go from there. See, Jack and I feel the same.

665
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: We feel covies to Lebron is three and to me

666
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, which don't mean ship, I'm just saying,

667
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: if Lebron is able to take a third franchise to

668
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: the finals and win a championship with three different teams.

669
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: That's when I think you saw something jumps code. Yeah,

670
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But to me, it's crazy,

671
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: and you made a good point. It's not disrespecting code,

672
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: MJ Mike. If you like one and you and you

673
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: rank them, everyone wants to put one a verse together

674
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: like only one can be there, only this can be that.

675
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: And if you like Mike, you hate Code. If you

676
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: love bron you know you hate And it's not like that,

677
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, especially for those who play. It's crazy because

678
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: some of the people have an opinion. Everyone has a

679
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: penny now and don't don't who never played? Never played?

680
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: And I got motherfucker's presenting the motherfucker to have an

681
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: opinion and get paid for their opinion never played. I mean,

682
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: so when you hear people like Skip Bayless saying, Scottie

683
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Pippot isn't one of the greatest, man, shut the funk

684
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: up with that ship man, Scottie. Do you know what

685
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean? So that kind of stuff really bothers me

686
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: because like you don't know what it's like to go

687
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: pit with it. You mean, you know, a pit with this,

688
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Skip people people listen to that. People listening to man,

689
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: they ride for it. Like, come on, man, like, don't

690
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: disrespect people like that because one, you've never been in

691
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: their shoes. I understand you get paid for it, but

692
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: have some respect, man like, straight up, I'd rather you

693
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: had that opinion to say. But hey, I've never played

694
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: a game, so I'm not you know what it's like, alright,

695
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I value That's all. That's my only beef with with

696
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: like people like that. Who if you haven't played in

697
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: the NBA game, Hey, one NBA game, you would not

698
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: understand like what it's like. Like point I just it's

699
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: just like you can study it, you can be a junkie,

700
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: you can watch all the film you want, but you

701
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: still never they don't know what it's like. But you

702
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: still don't know what it's like to come off for

703
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: a pick and roll and see a double team and

704
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: know how to read it react with quick. You don't

705
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: know that. You don't know what it's like to get

706
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: fifteen points scored on you straight and how you have

707
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: to bounce back or you know, or missing a couple

708
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: of shots. And then hearing people saying, well, you don't

709
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: know that. You don't know what it's like, like what

710
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: these dudes had to go through. They were rock stars,

711
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: and he can't praise Magic. You can't praise Magic and

712
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: not praise pimp. He shut him down on the finals,

713
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Like Magic is one of the best ever. You know

714
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: what it takes to shut down somebody in the finals.

715
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: Come on and Magic, get that. Come on, man, That's

716
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like crazy wants to find out that

717
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: the pip with with all that being said that he

718
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: was the hundred and twenty second hundred a second, he

719
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: was Robertson. He was Robertson. But Robertson is making and

720
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss cod, but I think he's

721
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: making somewhere between nine and twelve million though, you know

722
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he could have hit the house

723
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: and he was in the kitchen. He shoots a bas

724
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: the free throw line. Who does that? But it's a

725
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: different game, different games. It's a different game free all

726
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: in my life. And that's crazy. That's that's what it is.

727
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the that's the changes of the

728
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: of the error and how much money is out there

729
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: now to be made. Brother, Like you just like just

730
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: think if we could, if they could pull up a

731
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: number in your career, what the salary cap looks like

732
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: then and what it looks like now. It's it's crazy close.

733
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: So it's so much money available. But I may I

734
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: ask you one question real quick? What does Lebron have

735
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: to do to be in your opinions that y'all think

736
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: MJ's What does he have to do within his time

737
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: left to become me? I say it is not much.

738
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: I say, win two championships in l A. That's a lot.

739
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: When he passed code too, we're talking about not you

740
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: can have a conversation with him and m J. A conversation. Okay,

741
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: does does scoring if anything to do with it? Now?

742
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: You know what it's not to me because people don't

743
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: give Antoine Jamison points he got with twenty thousand points.

744
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, don't give him props he got twenty thousand.

745
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: But I'm saying what I'm saying now he becomes number

746
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: one is all time and scoring? Does that matter? I mean,

747
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: but let me two facts. Okay, Now that definitely asked

748
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: for Evince, because you also gotta keep in mind, Braun

749
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: is the only one we're talking about to top ten

750
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: and assists, so he might be top five by the

751
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: time he's finished playing number one or number two and

752
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: scoring and then won two more titles. That's when, to

753
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: me you could start talking about he is the greatest

754
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: of all time, no matter what is right. But you

755
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: got that count to Matt how many years more he

756
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: played in the So m J is what played fifteen years? Uh?

757
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: Number five and all time scoring swards Kareem, Karl Malone, Lebron, Kobe,

758
00:36:51,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Mike Braun is somewhere forty Yeah, sure, if I'm not mistaken.

759
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Giver takes. So that would be probably about twelve hundred

760
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: points a year for the next four years to possibly

761
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: catch Kareem. They said this year in sixty games, he

762
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: already had what fift hundred points, So four more years

763
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: at Lebron averaging possibly around twenty two points a game

764
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: to catch Kareem. I don't see that being far fetched.

765
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: I think it all depends on its supporting cast, you know.

766
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: And you know, in the beginning he was talking about

767
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: how he was trying to feature a d to be

768
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: a star and all of these things. So that's not

769
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: saying he still won't average five points a game, but

770
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on how loaded, if you would

771
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: his team could be down the line to take some

772
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: of the workload off of him what he's been doing

773
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: off of his career. So I mean it's a lot,

774
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: it's just one lot of one is so you made

775
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: a great point, So let's let him finish. There's a chance.

776
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: To me if Jack made a great point, I think

777
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: two chips puts him definitely in the same conversation as Mike.

778
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: And then you look at his historical context and his

779
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: his final numbers. There's a chance for for Broad to

780
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: be the greatest of all time man, and people don't

781
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: even if you don't look at it, Even if he

782
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: doesn't finish number one in scoring, even if he's a

783
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: couple of thousand away from number one, I mean he

784
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: would have three champions with three different organizations, you know.

785
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: So it's there's a lot to look at. But moving ahead,

786
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: I tell people, you're one of the greatest fucking purest

787
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: athletes I've ever seen. You shoot jump jump shots from

788
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: half court like they're nothing. You shoot left handed three,

789
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: it's like anohing. You could throw football sixty yards. You

790
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: golf like there's nothing you can't do. Tell us where

791
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: that all that athleticism came from. At an early age,

792
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: it's the water Florida kid that Florida water Man. You know,

793
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I tell anything, bro. I give mom some props though,

794
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: because she was one of those kids at first. You know,

795
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: I just love obviously football was but I especially growing up,

796
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, coming from Florida, which is a football state.

797
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: So I played football and and and that was a

798
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: quarterback and the receiver. But I tell you one thing,

799
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: She's like, bro, try try. Don't be afraid to try anything.

800
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I played volleyball. You know it's a bad and uh

801
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, pink Paula is one of my favorite sports.

802
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Like only these things. I wasn't afraid to try anything

803
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: and just was curious about it, and you know, just

804
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: tended to pick pick things up rather quickly and just

805
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: because I was curious about it. So I was lucky people. Yeah, volleyball.

806
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: And I did that as a as a joke with

807
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: my boys because we walked by the gym one day

808
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: going to food around the gym. Like volleyball, I was like,

809
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I bet you won't go I bet you'll go in

810
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: there and try out. I ended up playing three years,

811
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: had never played before, never played before, and I got

812
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: junior year. That's crazy. I mean, motherfucker, you're jumping and

813
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: getting your waist above the nets, spiking that btch on

814
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: everyone's whole entire school. I can only imagine. So my

815
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: my sedior year, I played like two or three games

816
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: because I had, you know, the slowdown with all this

817
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: stuff I was doing, because everything overlap. I played two games.

818
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: My last game, bro, Uh, they threw me a set

819
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: from out the back row. I hit the ball and

820
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: this kid who was in the back row waiting to

821
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: pass the back and hit him and split his glasses.

822
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: But because I was you know, like I said, I

823
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: used getting over the net. So they used to set

824
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: it up as high as I could just to see

825
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: if I could just in front of the first and

826
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: hit it down into the front line. That was that

827
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: was the challenge for me. You know, as far as

828
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: in high school, I jumped higher, Bro, I can touch

829
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: seeing that ship. I could touch the top of the

830
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: backboard in high school. Man, my senior year. In my

831
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: freshman year of college is when I was jumping my

832
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: high school, I could touch the top of the backboard.

833
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Just fucking insane. We couldn't even call it. Could you

834
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: imagine seeing this? You couldn't call Vince no band nerd.

835
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Could you think Van I mean the historical context of

836
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: a band is they're kind of like, you know, they're

837
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: a little different. Vince out here doing the ship during

838
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: the football season, the band, and then motherfucker touching the

839
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: top of the backboard during basketball season, like what the

840
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: fun like two months later? I don't know, Man was fun.

841
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Real niggas. Real niggas didn't do bad cause you have

842
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: to learn how to read music. Yeah, you're right, You're right.

843
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: And I started that at sixth grade, so my step

844
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: dad at the time. It was a band direct. So

845
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: band was always a part of me, and music saw

846
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: it was a part of me, you know. So that's

847
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: why I have a passion for music. I mean, I

848
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: got a little set up right here. Can music still Yeah, Yeah,

849
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: that's dope. I can record that. This motherfucker do anything.

850
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Brother way, I saw like you don't get to see

851
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: whatever you're ready, I can record. I wasn't gonna say no,

852
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: but I got I got it. Uh, you all got

853
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: a mixtape coming out. But what I was saying is

854
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: to see Vincent practice. And obviously I didn't catch early

855
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: early Vincent and you know, the late nineties, early two thousand,

856
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: but to see you in practice when we played together,

857
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: like some of the effortless ship you would do is

858
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: just like what the fuck like in like just your

859
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: skill and you're one of the most skilled people to

860
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: me to that's aver touch thing. And I've been we

861
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: both all been blessed to play with a lot of

862
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: talent to people, but I haven't seen just pure skill

863
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: like you have, man, and the ship is the first step.

864
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: His first step was unreal. No, I'm excited about this

865
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: man like that, you know, because of back in the

866
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: day's games so physicals, like you can't you can't just

867
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: play bulletball all the time after while, you know, you

868
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: got lodged on while you got j O back there

869
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: blocking shots. But your first step matter. I had to

870
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: learn that, like sometimes like you know what, dude hits

871
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: you like, oh no, you know, let's let's play this game.

872
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: And then after a while I was like, all right,

873
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: I need to outquick you because back then you you

874
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: had two big men. You had Junk and Robinson. You

875
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You had the Davis boys, Davis

876
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: boy Smith, you know what I'm saying, Like you know

877
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: j O, Jeff Foster, Scott Scott Jeff, you know what

878
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying like you had big men, so you had

879
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: to learn how to have a first step, and I

880
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: learned once I kind of got a step on you

881
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: and you beside me. In my mind, you weren't will

882
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: be able to jump me unless you met me at

883
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: the room and you just got looking. Some people match

884
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: you at the room, but you just went up a

885
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: little little last minute. So for all the times that

886
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: I got my dunk block, that helped me because I learned,

887
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I always knew I could hang in the air. And

888
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: that's why obviously you and practice. You see, I used

889
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: to just win around and do just stupid stuff. Hanging

890
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: up there like that was just my mentality, like okay,

891
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: sometimes I want to jump high to you, and it

892
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: used to be fun for me. That's why I did

893
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: a lot of one one hand shots just because it

894
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: used to be fun for me to hang up there

895
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: because you thought she was gonna block it, and that

896
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: used to be fun. Yeah, big gass hand so that

897
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: you can hold the ball, move it, trained it to

898
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: the side, dunked that ship. So it's that's why it

899
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: was easy to kind of dump on a lot of

900
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: the big man like my Tumbo and Zoe like when

901
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: I did the dunk on Zoe. If I don't have

902
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: big hands, I wouldn't be able to move it that

903
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: far like that. You know that ship was sick, very decorated.

904
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: High school career state champion McDonald's All American, recruited by

905
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: pretty much obviously every school in the country. Who were

906
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: your final couple choices and what made you pick North

907
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Carolina over everybody else? I had Duke Carolina Florida Florida State,

908
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: and I had Kansas and Kentucky initially. Then I dropped Kentucky,

909
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: then Kansas. I figured if I go to Kansas, I

910
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: can go to Carolina because Roy Williams was there at

911
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: the time and it was the same. Plus he had

912
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: already signed Paul Pierce. Once he signed Paul Pierce, I

913
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: was like uh. And then Ron Mercy, I was like, nah,

914
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: so Rob Mercer who was number one. Mercer was a

915
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: killer and so it was exactly shoot in high school too,

916
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: bro like he was. So he went to Kentucky. So

917
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, they already had Anto a Walker

918
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: and them over there, so it was like that's done deal.

919
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: And then once I took my visit to Carolina, I

920
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: was sold. I knew I had the opportunity to start

921
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: and playing in Antoine. Who you know who was shoot

922
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: my junior year. He was number one playing in the

923
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: country before KG and and and and Ron Mercer took over.

924
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I had Stephan Marberry who who ended up going to

925
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Billips McCoy a shout out, Army Darnlod's pass

926
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: is crazy. They needed you at Kentucky, uh that year

927
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: because I was We played Kentucky when I was okay

928
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: in ninety six, Bro, they won it. No, we played

929
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: him in preseason and beat him by Twinny school team.

930
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: I need footage, Jack, I don't believe it. We gotta, Matt.

931
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, my brain don't work like that. I can't

932
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: remember that far back. I had to see footage to remember. Yeah,

933
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I need funnage. It's like you called me. This is

934
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: my first called me on my football ship. Tell my

935
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: homeboy sent me some football footage. I'm like, yeah, look

936
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: at that. I was going to North Carolina. Like obviously,

937
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: with you being someone that was very similar to Jordan's,

938
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the way you attack, the way you dunk, did that

939
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: play anything into going to North Carolina at all? The

940
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: tradition of it obviously the tradition. But I'm gonna tell

941
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: you what I took my visit. I was sold, like

942
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: you walking out of and you just look at the

943
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: history of the banners one and then just up the

944
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: jerseys up there obviously Jordan's Worthy, Brad Doherty, Phil Ford.

945
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a laundry list of players. But Phil, yeah,

946
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: exactly so. So when I when I walked in there

947
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: the first time, he was just like, so I got

948
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: there that summer when I took my visit, We're playing

949
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: pick up and who's who's in there? Just imagine. So

950
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: let me just say my freshman year, it could have

951
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: been Jeff McGinnis at the point I probably played the two.

952
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: Stack would have played the three Antoine, Jameson would have

953
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: played the four Rashi would have been the five Goodness,

954
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: which Shaman Williams who ended up who played pro Dr Labor,

955
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: who played real quick plus an attitude, didn't you? But

956
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: he was like, the next that's my class next year,

957
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: like it used Stackhouse for She's Jeff leguinnis Jameson as

958
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: a starting group sham, Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying.

959
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: So just just walking into pick like on my visit,

960
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, just the NBA right here, everybody,

961
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: every Carolina guy who made it to the NBA was

962
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: was there, MJ Worthy, you name it. I'm in here,

963
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: playing in high school of playing against these guys. We

964
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: already knew Stack and she was going, bro, and I'm

965
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: holding my own against them. I was like, Bro, this

966
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: is what I need to be. You know what I'm saying.

967
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: So it's and then when I get there, it's just

968
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: like now you're in it with some of the best players,

969
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: and then here comes the same thing. You walk here,

970
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: m J give me, give me these four, give me

971
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: these four walk on and everybody, you know what I'm saying,

972
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: like like this, It's just that's that's what it was.

973
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: So it College was was fun, man. It was just

974
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: I learned a lot and I didn't put any pressure.

975
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, I played, I'm playing here,

976
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: and it's every but we looked at it like Dean

977
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: smith Man, just like I played for Dean Smith So

978
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, man, I'm playing for this man. Yeah,

979
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: this man got a dome named after him and he

980
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: was alive and still coaching. So it's exactly. So I

981
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: played for a legendary coach, So it wasn't the pressure

982
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: of kind of following the footsteps for MJ. It was

983
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: always like everybody knew who Dee Dean Smith was, so

984
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: you got to hold you on for him. With the

985
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: current climate of today, and you just saw U c

986
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: L a five star recruit d commit and it's going

987
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: to the G League? Can I is it? Is it good?

988
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: Safe to say, Vince, you had a blast in college

989
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: like I had a last l A blast wasn't change

990
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: it for the world, you know, wouldn't change for the world,

991
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: just like you mentioned all those people you said, So

992
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: we're in l A. My freshman coming in is the

993
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: ninety eight lockout. So we got Paul Pierced up there,

994
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Kobe Shack, jermaineo Need like you name them. I'm seventeen

995
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: eighteen coming into this at U c L A like hole,

996
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: like when you get a great taste of what that

997
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: that next level that other sizes like. And that ship

998
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: was incredible, like a young Ricky Davis man like, that

999
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: ship was a blast. But Barry Baron Baron doing Barry

1000
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: bar it was our teammate then that ship was incredible.

1001
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: But those summers are what got me and and you know,

1002
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: all my college teammates that had success in the pros

1003
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: ready for the Pros because it was those summer games.

1004
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: Like you said, you guys had your Carolina pickups. Those

1005
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: U l A pickups were legendary. But I get back

1006
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: to the fact that the college was such an amazing

1007
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: time for me, you know what I mean. Obviously the

1008
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: money's different, circumstances are different now, but I wouldn't trade

1009
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: my experience and my friends and what I learned and

1010
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: what I meant. I don't know if I could trade

1011
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: that for five hundred thousand. Hey watch this, I'm gonna

1012
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: tell you something crazy. And you know, I didn't think

1013
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: I was good enough to do it. So my year,

1014
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: obviously KG came out and went pro out of high school.

1015
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: There was a small rumor that I could possibly go

1016
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: pro out of high school. First of all, I didn't

1017
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: think I was good enough, so I was like breadful,

1018
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: what like, you know, I didn't I didn't think so

1019
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: it's just funny the mentality at the time. And then

1020
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was like, well, I made

1021
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: the right decision. And even when I got got I

1022
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: came out my junior because I did three years of college,

1023
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: and you know, it was the best three years. And

1024
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: after my freshman year, I was like bro, and I

1025
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: wasn't playing what it was in and out things didn't

1026
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: look great. I was just like I made the right decision,

1027
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: and it was still whispers like could he? Could he?

1028
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: And then after after my junior year, we made to

1029
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: the Final four. Back to back years. I had two

1030
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: great uh n c A tournament UH showings that played

1031
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: with average like one my junior didn't. I'm still kind

1032
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: of faking hesitating, like until I found out I can

1033
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: go top five, and I was like, all right, guys,

1034
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: let's be real, I gotta do it. But you had

1035
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: some dope runs like you mentioned back to back final

1036
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: four appearances ninety nine. You guys lost to Mike Bibbie

1037
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Every time I see him and Jason Terry

1038
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: hold On, hold On, hold on, sposed to Jack was

1039
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be here recruiting class. I was. I was

1040
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: when you like when you're talking about pick up Mike Dickinson,

1041
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: Miles Simon, Jason, Mike Bibby. So I was there the

1042
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: whole person Mester not in passing test. So I got

1043
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: kicked off. But I was supposed to be in that game.

1044
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Dog that it would have been crazy, was that? Yeah?

1045
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Adjact to that Arizona line if that would have been

1046
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: sick A J. Bramlett. Yeah, that they were cold, like

1047
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: we should have beat them though we had him beat

1048
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: in the first half and just Phillip part that kid

1049
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: by the name of Mike Bibby just like yeah. And

1050
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: then then all of a sudden, you know, Washington play

1051
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: against Kentucky in the finals, like he cold. Yeah, And

1052
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand like Jay Terry was killing, bawling bro

1053
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: like killing man. He he used to give us the blues?

1054
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: Who was that? U? C? L A? Jason Terry was

1055
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: a sucking killer. He was killing louse Mike Dickerson like

1056
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: they had that. That dude had to the quickst first

1057
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: step I've ever seen Mike Dickerson. Yes, but he strong too.

1058
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: People gonna listen to this to be like who Mike who?

1059
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: Look him up? Man? But he was unbelievable. He had

1060
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: back injuries right when he got to the league. Is

1061
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: that would slowed him down? It was a neat didn't

1062
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: had like a growing injury as well, Like it was growing. Yeah,

1063
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't that's what put Michael is growing Michaels nice. Yeah.

1064
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: So then then in the next year, losing to Utah

1065
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: was at Keith Van Horne's horn or Andre Mill just left.

1066
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: Andre Miller gave us a triple. Andre Miller too, we're

1067
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: talking about him. Shot Miller was he was Miller. He

1068
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: was built like he was he was built in the

1069
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: league like, yeah, he he was smart back then. He

1070
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: knew the game like Miller. It's crazy. You look at

1071
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: their team and adn't no disrespect, But he was looking

1072
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: at me like, bro, he ain't got enough. He got

1073
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: at Utah on top of it. Hell noah, yeah, you

1074
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: ain't got enough. Him and Ricky Jared's though, masterminds master

1075
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: Jared's masterminds. Somebody better though, he made anybody better than

1076
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: he was. He was so smart, man, he knew the game, bro,

1077
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Like obviously who he is, who he was in the NBA.

1078
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: He was like that in in college as well. Draft

1079
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: night pick, trading for your teammate from the Warriors to

1080
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: the Raptors Antoine Jamison swap. What was that? Like? It's

1081
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: crazy how how the whole experience went down? Like so

1082
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: when when he got drafted prior to it. So I'm

1083
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: working out in the summer um and the Raptors were

1084
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: out there. They're like, hey, you might as well come

1085
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: work out for us because if you're available, we're gonna draft.

1086
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, because I ain't know nothing about

1087
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: Canada and never been outside. You know, the do the

1088
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: US for basketball, That's that's not true. I've been to

1089
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Germany for the but I've never been to Canada, so

1090
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on. So I was like,

1091
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: all right, cool, so I go there. I had a

1092
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: terrible experience as far as like my flight was delayed,

1093
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: my room got canceled, my room got canceled. When I

1094
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: got there the next day. When they put me, they

1095
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: put me in another hotel. My room services two hours

1096
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: late that night. Got there the next day, the ball

1097
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: kid forgot my my practice gear. Uh, so I got

1098
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: staying there. He's like, oh man, so that was my practice.

1099
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: My singing started to two hours later and I was

1100
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: by myself. But they said I had a great workout,

1101
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: so I worked out toward never worked out for him.

1102
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: So they say, hey, fourth pick you, we're gonna get you. Well.

1103
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: Draft night comes and I'm like, okay, cool, old Candy

1104
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: goes one baby goes to all right, Because I worked

1105
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: out for Vancouver and they already made it clear to say,

1106
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: we just want to see you work out, but we're

1107
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: either gonna get Oliver Candy a bit, so I knew

1108
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: that the Clippers didn't didn't even invite me to like

1109
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: we were getting this baby or a little Candy Denver.

1110
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: I had a good workout there, but they took Racelet

1111
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: friends exactly. So four comes out. I was like, oh, Toronto.

1112
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I told my I was like, oh,

1113
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: this is it right here? Man, They said Antoine James said.

1114
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: I was like, and Twine looked at me. But because

1115
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: he never worked out for but we didn't know. Obviously

1116
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: they were working on a deal. Obviously when it happened that, uh,

1117
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: Golden State was trying to keep Twine from going to Dallas,

1118
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: so obviously they said they'll take him. And then I

1119
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: get drafted by Golden States. So I'm like, okay, okay,

1120
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm out West, go to stay cool whatever whatever. And

1121
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: as soon as I get up on the stage, I

1122
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: shook David Hits David Stirr's hand and he said, hold up, man,

1123
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: it's about to be a trade. I'm like, damn, get

1124
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: treated already. So as we went back, this is no bro.

1125
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: As I was walking up the steps, Town is at

1126
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: the side of the steps, you know, right before as

1127
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: soon as you get drafted, you gonna do your interview.

1128
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Trying to sit in there, He's like he's trying to say.

1129
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: He whispering something like what what like's you know? First

1130
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: of all, I ain't trying to knew. Yeah, I'm walking

1131
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: up the steps. I ain't trying to fall, so I

1132
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: ain't paying attention to all that he's talking. I'm like,

1133
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 1: what what what? Okay, hold on, let me take this picture.

1134
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: He was telling me, bro were about to get traded

1135
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: for each other. Yeah, that's crazy. So David sturns, like,

1136
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: it's about to be trade. Suff we gotta trade. The

1137
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: Toronto ratchors have traded Vince Card and Twine Jamison for

1138
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: Vince Card blah blah blah and for money. I'm like

1139
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: what he's like food, That's what I was trying to

1140
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: tell you, And that's how I got That's how I

1141
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: got introduced to the business. It's like that. So it's

1142
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: like a business, like said the business Candy was Little

1143
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: Candy was one, Baby was two, The Friends was three,

1144
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: Jamison was four. You were five. Tractor trailer arresting piece

1145
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: was six. Uh. Jason Williams will shout out bubbs, Larry

1146
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Hughes eight, Dirk new Whiskey nine, Paul, Paul was pissed

1147
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: TiO he went tin, Yes, he was. Paul was he

1148
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: was We forget your boy. Charlet Lewis, who was coming

1149
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: out of high school. Second round, second round, y, Yeah,

1150
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: sat in the green he was. I don't mean nothing

1151
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: about that draft because now you go to park parks

1152
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: and when people shoot at balls, you hear them say

1153
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: on what candy like when they do something stupid on

1154
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: the court. So he was the number one pick, So

1155
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: don't even worry about that. That is mean nothing. You

1156
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: number one pick was terrible. That was crazy. It was

1157
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: crazy leading up to it, like nobody watched specific play.

1158
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah if you're laughing and sack it, but you didn't know,

1159
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: didn't know much about it, Like okay, he's six ten

1160
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: seven feet but okay, but I never see Anyboddy play.

1161
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: So number one and leave it, leave it to the

1162
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: old clippers, leave it to the so when so when

1163
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: you got to Toronto. What was that like, I mean,

1164
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: when you know being a rookie after the trade, you

1165
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You said the workout didn't go good,

1166
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: so going there actually getting ready to play where you

1167
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: optimistic about it about it being better. So watch how

1168
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: this story happened. My junior year is when I found

1169
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: out Team back was my cousin. So he comes out

1170
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and he goes to the draft and he's coming in

1171
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: the workout and pick up and he's like, hey, bro,

1172
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: like nobody would let him to use his locker. Now,

1173
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: we played you ball together all right, so I knew

1174
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: he was on this younger team. I was on the

1175
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: big on the older team. So we used to watch

1176
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: to the play. Never knew we were cousins. Okay, we're

1177
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: playing pickup and Carolina all weeks. I said, hey, but

1178
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: you can use my locker whatever story stuff, uh, all

1179
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: week because I knew him from back in the crib

1180
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: all right. On on Thursday, he's like, b I ain't

1181
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: gonna be here Friday. On Friday, I'm said, he I

1182
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be on Friday because I'm going for a

1183
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: family union. Alright, cool, whatever, I see you next week

1184
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: and you get back just like that. I wasn't going

1185
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: because I was in school. You know what I'm saying.

1186
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: I was back in school playing pick up. He sits

1187
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: at the table with my grandmother. They get to talk

1188
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, so you went to school in

1189
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: North Carolina. She's like, my grandson plays college ball. And

1190
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: he's like, oh for real. She's like, Vince Carter. I

1191
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: get a call from on my grandmother, So what's up? Cuse?

1192
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: What's up? Cause? Man? Who the hell is this? This

1193
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: mac man? This team mat what's up cause? And that's

1194
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: how we found out with my cousin. So all season

1195
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: he called me the you need to keep dominating, bro,

1196
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: so you can get drafted high. I won'ta make sure

1197
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: they come. They're gonna raft. You're gonna make sure they

1198
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: draft you like this is this new you know whatever? Literally,

1199
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: when I got drafted, I go to the back room

1200
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: after I got traded, phone rings. Who is it? I

1201
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: told you? Because I told you she could like And

1202
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: that's why it was so so to answer your question.

1203
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Walking into my first year, I was cool. I got family.

1204
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: I'm playing with family. So he's gonna tell me the ropes.

1205
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: He knows what it's like. To be a rookie, and

1206
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: he knows what it'd be like to be a rookie

1207
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: and struggle. Yeah, so it was easy to walk into.

1208
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: And then obviously we bring Charles Oakley in and my

1209
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: second day of training camp, yes, my second day of

1210
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: training camp. He comes in. He puts his arm around you.

1211
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: He said, I got you. I'm gonna teach you to

1212
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: leave listen to me. So uh yeah, but what do

1213
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: you say to that? No, chill, I got, yes, sir, Yes, sir,

1214
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: that's what it was. How do you like your coffee? Yeah? Carry?

1215
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Carry back right here? Okay, cool? I got so thank you.

1216
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: Back to the last dance win they showed Scott yeah,

1217
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: bro that I was like, oh, snap, you've been doing

1218
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: this since eighty six, eighty seven. Yeah, that was me,

1219
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: that same thing. So ever since then, I was like, yo, y'all,

1220
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: see what happened to pick back then? That is me, bro,

1221
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: That's what. But like I knew I was in good hands.

1222
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: And to this day when I see Opra, he still

1223
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: treat me like a rookie, you know, heavy, old alligator hands,

1224
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: just rough, like every time, like he beat on your life. Right,

1225
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm not a rookie no more. But

1226
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: it's good, sir, You're good. He made the game easy

1227
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: for me. Man. He taught me because he played with

1228
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: m J. So he got to see his preparation. You know.

1229
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: I played with Doug Christie, who played with Magic. I

1230
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: played with Deep Brown who played with Bird. I played

1231
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: with Antonio Davis, who played with Reggie Miller. So I

1232
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: had guys on my team played real rates, right, he

1233
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: played with greatness, and they taught me how to how

1234
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: to handle myself. You know, with all the attention that

1235
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: was coming in, it made the game easy for me.

1236
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about open theyn't never see

1237
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: the other side. You know what I'm saying, like, is

1238
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys. They might see all that with

1239
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: Scott the people, but I guarantee you when he went

1240
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: brought suits, he probably bought Scott the pepper suits when

1241
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: he went shopping. You know what I'm saying, was that

1242
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: type of dude. He gonna gonna he gonna hate you

1243
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, but ain't nobody gonna protect you more

1244
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: than him? And that's true. I remember this, bro. I

1245
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: remember I was trying to dunk. I was playing and

1246
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: trying to dunk. The ball on shot and shot took

1247
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: me out to get out the air flatliney. So I

1248
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: hit the ground back first, looking at the the top

1249
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: of the lights and my eyes closed. Right, But who

1250
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: do I hear? I hear Charles hopefully eight like that

1251
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: right in shock face, like you know shocks like now, Bro,

1252
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't try to hurt him. It was just like,

1253
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what it was. You had nothing to

1254
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: worry about. It's like he's like, bro, you go playing hard.

1255
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: That's why I had no fear. I wasn't worried about

1256
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, nothing, really you're gonna try to dunk or whatever.

1257
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: Like it was. It was nothing like He's like, you

1258
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. Yeah. Yeah, that helped me

1259
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: shout out oak Man, that's we gotta get on the

1260
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: show because I know he got stories with a lot

1261
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: of he gotta get when we come back from recess.

1262
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: We gotta get up two thousand to me arguments, uh Argua,

1263
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: believe you chase the dunk contest forever and that we

1264
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: can talk about Mike's dunk from the free thrower and

1265
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: all the dunks in the history. But you came in

1266
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: and did some ship we had never seen. I remember,

1267
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: I've been fucking study hall at U C l A

1268
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: and the dunk Contest is coming on. So somehow I

1269
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: got the fucking lady to bring a TV and study

1270
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: hall and we watched you in Oracle Arena chase the

1271
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: dunk contest forever. How did you? I mean, you did

1272
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: dunks we never seen? Did you prep? How did you

1273
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: know what you were gonna do? Talk to us about that?

1274
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: So leading up to it, first of all, first of all,

1275
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: it took the Act the Congress to get Tea Mack

1276
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: to do it because he didn't want to do it.

1277
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: People don't know that. Like he put on the hell

1278
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: of a show himself and he did not want to

1279
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: do it. Who did in that dunk contest? People? That

1280
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: was a good dunk contest? Ricky Davis, c frank Uh Stackhouse,

1281
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting. That's That's all the one I could think

1282
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: of right now. That's it was crazy and T Mac

1283
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: and Mac and him Yeah that was six yeah, yeah, yeah,

1284
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: so it was. It was crazy. But I was just like, bro,

1285
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: we could go out here and put to run on

1286
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: the map and you know, we could show what we

1287
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: could do because like we fooled around like we were

1288
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: fooling around with different stuff. Our remember in San Antonio

1289
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: at a practice one day, was we were just going crazy,

1290
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: throwing the ball all over the gym off one bounce

1291
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: and just doing crazy stuff just from trying to figure

1292
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: stuff out. So we had an awful trip there. Our

1293
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: car didn't pick us up one time, so we missed

1294
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: our practice leading up to the contest, so we never

1295
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: got the practice. Our practice was the Layoup line or whatever,

1296
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: the warm up line right before this contest started, so

1297
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: we never got the practice. And my routine that I

1298
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: was gonna do. I saw all these people man and

1299
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: sitting around. You see all the stars and everything, and

1300
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: that was all of us, just bro I was like this,

1301
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: this routine is not good enough. So I scrapped all

1302
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: of that in the layoup line. It took I was

1303
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: so hype. It took me everything not to do my

1304
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: duct routine in the layoup line. I was just so

1305
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: hYP like I've been looking for the just fly, just fly,

1306
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm ready to show everybody what I could do.

1307
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: Like I take for all my high school in middle school,

1308
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: I didn't care about watching Sunday at the all Star Game.

1309
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to take. Watched the dun dunk contests

1310
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: on on Saturday, and I'm like, bro, I'm finally here.

1311
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I ain't about to blow this, but I'm about to

1312
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: go ham. So when I got out there, I saw

1313
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: all these people, man, and my my energy uh, and

1314
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: my my drilling was on ten thousand ro so uh,

1315
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: I scrapped it. And so I was just trying to

1316
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: figure out what to do. So that first dunk, the

1317
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: reverse three sixty, I had tried to fool God. So

1318
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: I tried that dunk and barely made it when I

1319
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: was practicing, So I originally I had scrapped that already.

1320
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: But when I got out there, I saw all these

1321
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: people and I saw Twine there and I was like,

1322
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: watch this year. What you about to do? I was like,

1323
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: you walked into that motherfucker perfect too. People just walked

1324
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: into that mother hey. But I was just so I

1325
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: was so hyped. So that's why. So if you notice,

1326
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: remember when I dugged the ball boom and go through,

1327
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: and then I was so hype my second bounce, I

1328
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: probably could have did a windmill, you know, Like I

1329
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: was just so high because I had never accomplished that

1330
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: dunk like that before, but that was all adrenaline that

1331
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: so every in between every dunk, I was just over,

1332
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: just like just trying to figure out what next, what next?

1333
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: What next? So I did the one step one eighty

1334
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: wind mill. But I wanted to show everybody, like you know,

1335
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: obviously you didn't see many people jumping the other way

1336
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: and right. So I had taught myself how to jump,

1337
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: to do the reverse three sixty and just practice, practice, practice,

1338
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: until I got it to this day. Like if you

1339
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: asked me to do a dunk, I would do a

1340
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: reverse three sixty before I do the regular one. Cannot

1341
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: I can't go the other way anymore, like I can't.

1342
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. Just makes no sense of me.

1343
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: It's so it's so crazy. You get lost in your

1344
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: old get lost, absolutely, but I can't do it, like

1345
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: I'll barely make it. So that's why I wanted to

1346
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: show just obviously going against the grain, obviously a full

1347
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: extended wind mill blah blah blah whatever, and I didn't

1348
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: know if I was gonna get that high, but whatever.

1349
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: So with the one eight dunk, I wanted to show

1350
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: that I could take one step out of the baseline

1351
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: sore to the front the ren while doing the extended

1352
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: wind bill and boom throw it through. So I didn't

1353
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: get it. I didn't get a tent from Kenny Smith,

1354
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, which kind of bothered me. So yeah, but

1355
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you set the bar too high. Well

1356
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: walking on the port. That's the last thing. That's the

1357
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: last thing I said to myself before my first dunk,

1358
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: I said, show up a show out, And that used

1359
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: to be our terminology in the band before. You know,

1360
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: obviously in the South, the band is huge, so we

1361
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: weren We're gonna show up and show out. So I

1362
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is my chance to show

1363
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: the world my imagination and what I'd be thinking about

1364
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: my head when it comes to duncan now you to

1365
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: to talk about that dunk contest and then to think

1366
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago? How does that make you feel?

1367
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: That ship was twenty exactly exactly. And I still get chilled.

1368
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: I still get chills, and I'm still like, man, what

1369
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: was I thinking? When? When? When? When? I No, that's crazy.

1370
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: Some of his teammates were even born that bro team,

1371
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: it's weren't even born yet. Think about that. Yeah, you

1372
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like that ship is insane. So

1373
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: it's just funny to kind of here and and see

1374
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: it and to just to think of all what transpired

1375
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: and and think once Kenny gave me that nine, and

1376
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, all right, I gotta step this

1377
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Huh, okay, I gotta get it in.

1378
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want the competition to be close. I but

1379
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted team back in there, because I

1380
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: knew he would push me, uh to do it because

1381
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: he he had like his dunk His dunks were crazy,

1382
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: stupid bound and that's what that's what pushed me to

1383
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: the next level. Did seeing what Steve Frances did, Like

1384
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: we forget about what Steve Friants was doing. He killing Hey,

1385
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: do y'all remember anything that Ricky Davis did. Didn't? Did

1386
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: he go between the legs and he did back up

1387
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: crazy back but nobody remembers that. But that's what I'm saying.

1388
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: Seeing that, I was like, Okay, I gotta step it up.

1389
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: So the arm in the rim came like this. I

1390
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: played in Gary Payton game and I was in the

1391
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: land line. I was jumping over the rim and I

1392
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: did it in the warm up too. But I jumping

1393
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: over the rim and I was just dropping the ball

1394
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: in and I was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna do that,

1395
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: but I gotta add something to it. So I'm gonna

1396
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: just trying to hang. I've never done it, but I

1397
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do it. I ain't gonna buy

1398
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: something all. He's right, you know how to do its

1399
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: dunk my fucking Let me dunck my fucking arm real quick, right.

1400
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: So the last thing, the last thing I remember leaving

1401
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: my coach, Butch Carter said, don't go out there and

1402
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: break your damn arm in your legs. That's what he

1403
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: said to me. So when I'm standing up the rim

1404
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: before I about the jug there, like, bro, please don't

1405
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: fall off this room, I was buying time like I

1406
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, how to do it, so

1407
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: when I walked it off, but I wanted to show.

1408
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: So what I wanted to show you is that how

1409
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: high I can jump. I want to show that I

1410
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: could get my arm a butter rim and then you

1411
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: know the rest is history. I wanted to kind of

1412
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: hang up there, and I don't want you to say, oh,

1413
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: I want you to be like what the fuck what

1414
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: I yeah, and I want you to realize what happened

1415
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: when you looked at that that jumper trump because they've

1416
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: never seen it. It didn't get the initial because people like,

1417
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: what did he just do? And that's what I wanted.

1418
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: That's what that ship reminded me of. What was the movie?

1419
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: What's the movie with? Uh? The Tropic Thunder? What's the

1420
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: movie semi pro when they when they first when they

1421
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: first threw the alley, you and Mothercker's didn't know how

1422
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: to read like that was like, what did he just do?

1423
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like that's when he's like, that's the

1424
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: foul that's two points. Yeah, it was that. It was

1425
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: that kind of awe though, like people like, did he

1426
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: just stick his fucking dunk his arm and hang up there?

1427
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: That's what I want. So if you notice when I

1428
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: walk away, I had my eyes closed, just making sure

1429
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: it was quiet and the arena and I just started laughing, yeah,

1430
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: because after that's what I wanted, Like they're gonna be like, oh,

1431
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: so that was that dunk and then between the legs

1432
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: dunks or the two that made up that night was

1433
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: the one though when it was over, we so so

1434
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing about every time. Every time I

1435
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: look at that dug, like I look at the first

1436
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: four dugs. Oh no, so yeah, between the legs. So

1437
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: I said it was over because like I'm trying dunks

1438
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: for the first time, making up tonight, and I'm making

1439
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: these on the first try. It's old. It's over. That's

1440
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: what out. Now I'm trying to push the envelope a

1441
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: little bit. I saw that in between the legs in

1442
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: East Bay Magazine for the Jump Souls member the Jump Souls,

1443
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: you know when I was in the East Bay magazine

1444
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: because it comes from the East Bay Gangster. Yeah, I

1445
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: saw that picture, right. I saw that picture. So I

1446
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna try that. But they said you

1447
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: got to use the teammate. So I was like, all right,

1448
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: uh t, Max, just gotta drop bounce the ball off

1449
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: the bounce. Yeah, And we never practiced. He was like,

1450
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: cause what you're about to do? I said, just bounced

1451
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: the ball, get hell out of the way. He bounced.

1452
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: He's like, what he bounced it the first time. He

1453
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: bounced it too high because I didn't know where to

1454
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: bounce it out high I need, I said, just bounce

1455
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: it waist height. That seemed logical. To me waist height,

1456
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: so I can just catch it and then put it

1457
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: between the last said, bounce the ball and walk out

1458
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: the way. And if you look at you see him

1459
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: bounced the ball and he looked back like what is

1460
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: he doing? And that's how I came up with it.

1461
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: I never tried in my life, so I didn't know

1462
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: if I was can make it or not. And that's

1463
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: where the point came when I did that, because I'm like, oh,

1464
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: that's what That's what it was. I was like, brother,

1465
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: Gods is on my side. The dunk Gods, it's over.

1466
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: So so I did you same boat? Steal that from you?

1467
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying I did in two Hey, alright,

1468
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: that's his ship now. I don't know if it did

1469
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: it first. Yeah, that's cool. Y. So talk about teaming

1470
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: up with Kate, with kg Ray, Allen Peyton, Jason Kidd

1471
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: and the gold medal team. It was a dream come

1472
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: true for me. Man. It was talked about obviously my

1473
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: ninety two and the Dream Team, and then you had

1474
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: Dream Team too. Then comes us in two thousand and

1475
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: the funny thing about it, guys, I wasn't on the

1476
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: initial team. I didn't make it so Shack was supposed

1477
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: to be on that team, Grant Hill was supposed to

1478
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: be on that team, and I'm missing another because I

1479
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: think Grant was hurt or Shack. I know Shack was

1480
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: hurt as well. Tim du Tim Duncan was supposed to

1481
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: be on the team, and then Tom Google YadA got hurt,

1482
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: so Ray Allen. Ray Allen actually made the team over me,

1483
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: and we played each other that night in Toronto forty seven.

1484
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: But it had nothing listen listening, you see, I just

1485
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: say that matter seven. But it was one of those

1486
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: things I wanted to show more so it had nothing

1487
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: to do with here. I wanted to show the Olympic

1488
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: folks that you know I'm working right that to be

1489
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: on that squad, I hit my first eight shots. I

1490
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 1: was eight eight from the beginning, I was just in

1491
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: another zone where I was in another zone. And in

1492
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: weeks later, Tom Google out and gets hurt. I get

1493
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: that call would you like to be? Would I like

1494
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: to be? Yeah? So I missed the original team, the

1495
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: original photo. I was photoshop then, so when you see

1496
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: that picture like on me on that I had to

1497
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: take a picture and then to get photoshop there right.

1498
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: So from there I had. I was like, I gotta go,

1499
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: I had to go earn my way. But it was

1500
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: it was all worth it, man. It was fun. It

1501
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: was great. You know. I was going through some ups

1502
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: and downs in my life. Really, That's why I had

1503
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: the Frow and all that. Me and GP rocking the

1504
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: throw out. There was something different, something different that was

1505
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: my favorite outside. I mean the dunk did the gold medal.

1506
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: My favorite part was seeing Vince with the frow everything.

1507
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: But I was angry. I was angry for a lot

1508
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: of reasons, man like because like that was during the

1509
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: time that Mac had left. The media was trying to

1510
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: put us against each other, which wasn't the case. So

1511
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, I was just like, let me just go

1512
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: out here and ball, and I got that chance. Just say,

1513
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: the dunk contest happened at the end of thee and

1514
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: then and then comes which at that time, the Olympics

1515
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: flowed right into the season. So the season started right

1516
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: after that and I ended up getting hurt, you know,

1517
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: because we didn't really get that much time off. It's

1518
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: not like it is now. But so being in the Olympics, bro,

1519
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm here, man, there was gout and

1520
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: have fun and obviously playing with like Jay Kidd and

1521
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway and GP with point guards. He was like, bro,

1522
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: young fella. You know, I'm one of the younger guys

1523
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: out there, me and Sharif go get it. Yeah, he's

1524
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: a young fellow. You know. GP ain't talking with to

1525
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: you young fellers. So anytime you half way over, but

1526
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm throwing all right. The rest was history, just making history,

1527
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: just doing some crazy stuff. And then the dump happen,

1528
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: making a real favorite moment. Frederick Wise jumped over a

1529
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: seven for what were you think that you came so

1530
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: dreaming it? You know we're not a dreamaline. Yes, I

1531
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: don't want to short change. And he was seven to

1532
01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: ship talk. But when he turned it head it put

1533
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: him seven feet, so it was he was legit seven.

1534
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: But so it happened. You know, when you're playing in

1535
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: the in the offstar again, sometimes like shots are few

1536
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: and far between. It just all depends if you'll let

1537
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: you roll them. But it was one of those things.

1538
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 1: He threw the ball behind his back. I get to

1539
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: steal while everybody running transition. I see it, I see

1540
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: the rim, I don't see him. I see the rep.

1541
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: So I said one too took a dribble and I

1542
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: just I ain't pay attention to where I was jumping from.

1543
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: So you know, the paint is different than the NBA.

1544
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: It's a different Yeah, it's wider. So in my mind,

1545
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: so when I jumped, I see him and all I remember,

1546
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: God's my witness. All I remember is touching his shoulder

1547
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: with my left arm. I'm focused on the rim because

1548
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: I thought I jumped too far. So in my mind,

1549
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm about to get hung and make a

1550
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: spright commercial brook like too far. But I was just

1551
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: trying to get up before the defense get back. You

1552
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: gotta pass it, set it up, blah blah blah. So

1553
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: I just attacked the rim. So when I jumped, I

1554
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 1: hit him. I didn't think about here no more. I

1555
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: thought he moved out of the way or he tried

1556
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: to take a charge and fell down, because I remember

1557
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: the initial bump and that's it. I'm focused on the rim.

1558
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: So when I get so, if you go back and

1559
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: look at it, I stretch out because I'm reaching for

1560
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: the rid because I thought I was too far. But

1561
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: I ended up dunking the ball with my wrists because

1562
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: I was I've actually had enough you know flight time.

1563
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I had some air miles,

1564
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: so I had enough. So when I hit the rim

1565
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: my celebration would almost punched KG. I was celebrating that.

1566
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't celebrating that I jumped over because I didn't know.

1567
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: That was my favorite. That was my favorite part of

1568
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: the dug saying you and KG, because j right, we

1569
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: were celebrating two totally different things. That was just crapy.

1570
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, made it. He's like yeah, but

1571
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, But I adin't know I jumped over

1572
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: buddy until after the game. After the game, not knowing

1573
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: you jumped over a seven footer seven two, I mean whatever.

1574
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: And when I didn't know, so the rest of the game,

1575
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: nobody said the word. So I asked Steve Smith. I said, Smithy,

1576
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: how come you ain't saying nothing? Like nobody said nothing

1577
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the game, and say, brother, we still

1578
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: didn't believe you just jumped over a person. Oh that

1579
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: means all right, that's fair. So after the game, Gary

1580
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: Payton Homeboy showed me on the camp quarter. That's when

1581
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: the little camp quarters just came out a little small Yeah,

1582
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: they just came out that summer and and and that's

1583
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: how I saw it. I watched it seven times, like

1584
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: wait what yeah? Hey, I tried to jump over due

1585
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: six five later on in the season, like in the

1586
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: middle season, couldn't do it. Almost died, almost almost killed

1587
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: both of us dead. Serious? Was your shoe? If I'm

1588
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: not mistaken, you introduced the Nike shocks? Right? Was that

1589
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: new to you? Here's a funny story to that. I

1590
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: could not wear I could not wear Nike shoes and

1591
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: it be shown so I could wear him in practice,

1592
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 1: But when the media came in for interviews during the practices,

1593
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: I had to take my shoes off. When I were

1594
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: the games, all my Nike shoes were cut out, all

1595
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: the Nike symbols were cut out. So I was playing

1596
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: in the Olympics up until the gold medal game with

1597
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: holes in my shoes. So the gold medal game is

1598
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: when I first was able to show the Nike shots.

1599
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: And and that's when the first time I was officially

1600
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: a Nike athlete. But you brought the shot? Was the

1601
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: shock technology? I'm talking about the technology? Were you the

1602
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: first one to get that on your shoes? Right? Yeah? Yeah?

1603
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,879
Speaker 1: So they had it done. They just didn't have anybody

1604
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: to kind of go with the whole boying type thing,

1605
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: and you know you were doing you were definitely a

1606
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: boy and gass motherfucker boy. Yeah, I mean it made sense.

1607
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: So I was like, it was like, yeah, when I

1608
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 1: saw the technology, I was like, bro, this is a

1609
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: no brainer. I'm in. So you touched on it a

1610
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: little bit, like you said, a lot of frustration things

1611
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: leading up to the Olympics. Um, after that. Now, when

1612
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: when the dust is settled, your cousin is gone, you guys,

1613
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: you know after only two years, do you guys, what

1614
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: do you feel if you guys could have got on

1615
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: the same page at the same time, you guys could

1616
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: have accomplished as one of the young, up and coming

1617
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: wing duos in the league. We've talked about it, man,

1618
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: We talked about it later on. Um, I was gonna

1619
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: say after our career, but you know, when when he

1620
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: was done, I mean and just talking about like, man,

1621
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: what if? Man? It could have been? But we were

1622
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: we were building something, and we played the Knicks and

1623
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: we got swept that year and then that's when he

1624
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: left the next year and we ended up winning. But

1625
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: you see what t Mac became, Man, and and and

1626
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: for me leading up into it, and he just wanted

1627
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: his opportunity to be if you would, batman and to me,

1628
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: I was like, brother, were both Batman, like, we could

1629
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: do this together. And and you know, it was just

1630
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: the time where he wanted to be. When you when

1631
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: you draw something in the in the in the huddle,

1632
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: if you wanted for him, and if you gotta defer,

1633
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: you gotta defer. So I understood it, like, and it

1634
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: was no hard time. I hate to see him go,

1635
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: but everybody made it something different, and you know, and

1636
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: he became a monster like like for real like and

1637
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: he and I felt like he was a monster already,

1638
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: so I could. I was just like me doing what

1639
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing, him doing what he's doing, bro Like and

1640
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: then you know, you know, when you're winning, you see

1641
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: potentially like that, free agents want to come play. And

1642
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: I felt like good things could have happened. Man, It's

1643
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: just like what if? What if? And you know we

1644
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: both said, bro, we we possibly could have had a

1645
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: ring or two. Um just because of it. Y'all have

1646
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: some good you guys have some good solid teams. If

1647
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: you would have kept him, definitely you touched on it. Earlier.

1648
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: We got a chance just recently to speak to John

1649
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Wall and Bradley Beale and how the media is trying

1650
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: to draw a wedge between them and this crazy Instagram

1651
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: climate where you know, social media kind of rules. This

1652
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: was pre social media, obviously, but they tried to do

1653
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: the same thing with you guys. Like I said, they

1654
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: tried to flip the narrative, trying to make it seem

1655
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: like you guys didn't like each other. What was your

1656
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: guy's relationship during that time? We were tight. We were tight,

1657
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: man like. We were still like, still communicating. It was

1658
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: funny for for a brief moment, like when it came out,

1659
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: because it came out like they'll do an interview and

1660
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: they'll take pieces of it and it's edited to where

1661
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: I it it comes out negative. So we didn't talk

1662
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of months, and then after while I

1663
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: was like, I can't imagine him saying what I'm reading

1664
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: or what y'all name he said. So we talked and

1665
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: he was like, bron I didn't even say that. He

1666
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: was like, cause I didn't say that. He was like,

1667
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,799
Speaker 1: and then it was like, now we look like y'all foolish.

1668
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: So even so they didn't know. Behind the scenes, we

1669
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: already talked. So now as these stories go on, we're talking.

1670
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: So when you hear the bullshit, you're like, no, Bro,

1671
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: now he didn't say that, you know why because I

1672
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: just talked to him. So that kind of killed that.

1673
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: But every time we played against each other, Bro, he

1674
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: he was trying to dog me. I was trying to

1675
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: dog him because it was just made good competition and

1676
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: that's what we did it. And when we were playing

1677
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: pick up, like especially when you playing against your family

1678
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: and in professional sports, but like we're cool, but like

1679
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: this this is this is for good bragging rights. And

1680
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: I remember the one time, the one game we played

1681
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: in Orlando and I couldn't play that game and he

1682
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: threw the ball off the blackboard and dumped that thing

1683
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: at me. Bro y'all remember y'all remember that? And everybody

1684
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he showed events up on the court.

1685
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: That was j y D who had the headband on

1686
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: number thirteen foods. I've been wanting to say that. I

1687
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to say that for a long time. Bro,

1688
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: that wouldn't even me. But I wasn't even on the court.

1689
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: That wasn't me. But he threw it on the backboard

1690
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: and dump that thing. And he looked at me. I

1691
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he's the lean on them. So

1692
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. So I want to give him

1693
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: his credit because you know, when I threw the ball

1694
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: off the backboard in the All Star Game, I want

1695
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: to say that was Denver. It was like all of it,

1696
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: but t mac was one of the first to do that. Man,

1697
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: one of the first to do it in the league.

1698
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: That people, you know, don't really give him credit for him.

1699
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,959
Speaker 1: And he used to catch and lean on that motherfucker

1700
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: just look on that nasty. Yeah. So you're you're making

1701
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: truck constant, you know, progress every year. You're you know,

1702
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: you're you're you're getting better, You're elevating your game. Two

1703
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: thousand one season, you know, the year after he left,

1704
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: you're after nearly twenty eight points of game. The Raptors

1705
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: win forty seven games. Fifth seed. You knocked the Knicks

1706
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: out in the first round, and then you have a

1707
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: knockdown drag out right finally you have a knockdown, drag

1708
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: out battle with AI in the second round. Talk to

1709
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: us about that about that second round series. To this day,

1710
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: that was one of the greatest, the best battles I've

1711
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: ever been in high school. Otherwise, I mean, I don't care.

1712
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: You know, you play your hot, your your rivals or whatever.

1713
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: Outside of the Duke Carolina robbery. Bro that that was

1714
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: one of the most epic battles I've been in. Um,

1715
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: we know what a I can do. Y'all know what

1716
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: a I can do because y'all have been around, y'all

1717
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: played against him. You know, it's it doesn't do him

1718
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: any justice of us or anyone who's played against him

1719
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: talking about it, because when you played against him, like

1720
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: he was a real it was just back and forth.

1721
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: And I want to say, we won game one, and

1722
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 1: and I had a good game, and that man responded

1723
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: with like fifty something like oh, okay, that's what we're doing.

1724
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: That's what we're doing, so and and and it just

1725
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: he just took that game to the next level. Man,

1726
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: He took the he took the series to the next level.

1727
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: And I responded, obviously with fifty right, and yeah, we scored,

1728
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: he scored. I think I scored scored forty six. Once

1729
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: did he responded with the fifties. So it was just

1730
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: crazy back and forth, like that's what It goes back

1731
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: to what we talked about earlier about I want to

1732
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: do for my team. Man, let me go out there

1733
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: like I love. I love to sit in the stage.

1734
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: I love the big the big games and stuff. And

1735
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: you know something, you know, unfortunately don't get a chance

1736
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: to really play on the big, big stage like some

1737
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: of somebody else to both of y'all, but um, that's

1738
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 1: what it was about, man. It was just playing against

1739
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: the best and showcasing what you can do and where

1740
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the best basketball I've ever

1741
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: played because I was just in a groove and it

1742
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: was tough getting beat on the tumbo, trying to get

1743
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: past my tumbo. You know what I'm saying, when you

1744
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: beat your guy whatever it was, it was crazy, bro,

1745
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: It was just crazy. Yeah. I think I think about

1746
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: the All Star Game that year when it was Ai, Tea,

1747
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Mac mar Barry and somebody else and uh and Vince

1748
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: and and there was four guards at the five DC one.

1749
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah it was you. It was you, Tracy, Ai Steph

1750
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: and you had another guard. It was small ball. I

1751
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: played the I played in the Rookie Game that year,

1752
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: but that was that was my favorite All Star game

1753
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: because they played y'all played small ball gets a big

1754
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Western conference and came back and won that game. They

1755
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: had like kg they had ever. Yeah, yeah, I remember

1756
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: that played good. But what you're talking about you and Mark,

1757
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: you and obviously going at it. Yeah, I was able

1758
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: to play together and which I was able to do together.

1759
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: That was good to see. That was dope. That serious.

1760
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, in that second round series, you know,

1761
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: you averaged over thirty, he averaged over third. You guys

1762
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: both dropped fifty. Game seven comes down to game seven,

1763
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: you do something that probably made every parent in America smile.

1764
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: H You made a promise to your mom that you

1765
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: were going to get your degree. Graduation happened to be

1766
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: that morning. You fly to North Carolina, get your degree,

1767
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: come back, and you get the last shot of the

1768
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like all that it would have never

1769
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: been a big deal at all. You would have gone

1770
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: down as a hero. They hit a game winning shot

1771
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: and got your degree in the same day. But you

1772
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: barely missed that last dropper, and then all the scrutiny

1773
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: comes talk to us about that. So it was disappointing

1774
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: because I go through uh, well, leading up to it,

1775
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I knew I had a decision to make it. It's like, okay,

1776
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: if it drags on. Uh, you know, I knew May

1777
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: twenty was was coming. That's the day it all took place.

1778
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: And uh what my mom was like, what you're gonna do?

1779
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna do both. You know, I'm

1780
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna fulfill my my requirements for both, you know. And

1781
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: I made sure because I graduated at nine o'clock that morning.

1782
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: The game was at seven till seven pm, and I

1783
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: walked through one until twelve, so I was back in time.

1784
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I made it. But I asked every player on that team,

1785
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, if they had a problem with it, man

1786
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: the man, face to face, saying what you gotta say,

1787
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: speak your piece. I'm going. I'm going. I did practice

1788
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: after practice, I'm flying out there. I'll already be there

1789
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: the next morning. I'm walking across that stage to get

1790
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: my degree, which means, you know, which is important to

1791
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: to my family because I come from a family to educated.

1792
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Everybody in my family, our school teachers, everyone. You know

1793
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So, uh, do you have a problem

1794
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: with it? I went to every man and or everyone

1795
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: in the organization. Now, now that's what something Why don't

1796
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: you back in time back. As soon as I get

1797
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: to get there, a couple of players on the team

1798
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: has something to say in the media. So it was

1799
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: it was disappointed to kind of pissed me off a

1800
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, you know, I'm a young guy,

1801
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: y'all speak up like I would. I came to you,

1802
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: man to man, It's like, I ain't just leaving, leaving

1803
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: to you whatever, say it now. That's what I wanted.

1804
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: And I was prepared for some of the some guys

1805
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: who have a problem with it, and nobody had a

1806
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: problem with it. But nevertheless, you know, I got past that, graduated,

1807
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: made it back, and you start hearing all, you know,

1808
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: the reporters and all of these experts are talking about

1809
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: jet lag and it's no way that he can play

1810
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: in the game and play well with that. So you know,

1811
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: at first, you know, you start buying into that. So

1812
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: the first couple of minutes down the down the court,

1813
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: my legs felt heavy, heavy, and I missed the first

1814
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, maybe they're right, maybe maybe

1815
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: they're right. And but I stepped out of it and

1816
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: played played well. I mean, I played very solid game,

1817
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: uh and and got down to that last shot. So

1818
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: I remember going into the hut, I said, I told us,

1819
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I said, I said, nah, let me give it here,

1820
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: let me me get it. So originally the play was

1821
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: a zipper basically up to the top of the floor,

1822
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: so it's wide open, so I can go left, the right,

1823
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: do what I had to do. Tyrone Hill we all

1824
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: know the great Tyrone Hill and you know his history.

1825
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, he denies the ball. So I get the

1826
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: ball in the corner and took that one puff faith

1827
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 1: to swing through to the perfect shot, to the shot

1828
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: I shot it. You know, I'm a faid of way shooter.

1829
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: You know, if y'all know me, you know I can't

1830
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: shoot it on ballot shot. That's just don't work. That's

1831
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: just not what I do. And uh, it felt like

1832
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: a perfect shot. So halfway through in the air, I'm like,

1833
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: oh that's good. So for all the people talk ship

1834
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 1: and got something to say when this, when this go in,

1835
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what I'm gonna do. I don't either

1836
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: go run the stands and be like I'm gonna jump

1837
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: on the stand Remember, like, like, yeah, what what I did?

1838
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: Both So halfway I was like, oh, here we go.

1839
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: Second half of that shot. You play the game, you

1840
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: know when your shot long or short or good. Yeah,

1841
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is long, so I'm hoping for

1842
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: the backgrim bounce up and bounce in, hits the back

1843
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: of the rim, bouncing, bounce it off, And all I

1844
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: could do it just hold my head up high and

1845
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of just laugh at it. Like man, when I

1846
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: made the decision, I was prepared for either either way,

1847
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: make or miss. And I was ready, like right after

1848
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: what they looked at me, like you want to wait

1849
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: for you? You do your media, now, let's let's go.

1850
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Like I made my decision. I'm gonna stand by it.

1851
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna standing by it,

1852
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: like and and it's a shot that you know it

1853
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: bothered me. I ain't gonna lie to you. It bothered me,

1854
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: but I was willing to take whatever scrutiny they had

1855
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: for me. And when we got back to Toronto that night,

1856
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I went straight to the gym and I knocked that

1857
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: shot down ten times just to make sure. You know

1858
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You've made, you made, before, you made, after,

1859
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: you made plenty of times you just happen to miss that.

1860
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: But the fact that you did something early in the morning.

1861
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: They want to point it, Okay, well he wasn't this,

1862
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't that. But to meet that shot, and exactly

1863
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: that's what they always do. It's what they gotta do.

1864
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: You mean, but you to me, you hit that shot,

1865
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: you move on. It's goddamn amazing. Vince Carter wouldn't graduated.

1866
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Then he came back and hit the game, win and

1867
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,759
Speaker 1: shot again. That that's the narrative, the whole another narrative,

1868
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a whole another there does

1869
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: do thinks with things not have got sour in Toronto

1870
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: after that. I'm not saying I'm not saying that led

1871
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: to your accent, because I'm hoping you tell us what

1872
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,879
Speaker 1: led to your accent. But I'm saying the whole scenario

1873
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: changes now, you know. I mean, you're you're still a

1874
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: superhero out there, you know, I mean, but it's so eating.

1875
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: It all happened like that, and it's just like it's

1876
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: one shot. So if I make that shot. Sixers go

1877
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: on to play Big Dog and and and and ray

1878
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: uh against Milwaukee in the in the in the conferences,

1879
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: they go on to play the Lakers. We felt whoever

1880
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: came out of that series against the Sixers could possibly

1881
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: play in the finals. So I'm watching the finals like

1882
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: it should have been us. One freak, yeah exactly. You know,

1883
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: one shot away from a great opportunity. You just don't know. Obviously,

1884
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, we could go up there and laying against Milwaukee.

1885
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: But it's just like at that time, we just felt

1886
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: like that was our moment. So, you know, you go

1887
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: through the seasons and a couple injuries and and and

1888
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, you get to the point now they're bringing

1889
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Chris Bosh in and things starting to change, and they

1890
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 1: kind of want to move to Chris being the franchise player.

1891
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: So I was like, that's cool. It is what it is.

1892
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: It's a business. I get it. It's that's one thing

1893
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: about me, bro, like and everybody, you know, everybody different.

1894
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, they were looking for me to to act

1895
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 1: the fool in the locker rooms and and and and

1896
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: do do whatever. That wasn't my thing. Bro. I'm like, bro,

1897
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: you I'm hooping. This is what I love to do.

1898
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: Just let me who I don't care about all the

1899
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: other stuff that not all that that that pouting and

1900
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: and being in the locker room and acting the fool

1901
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: and and and that that wasn't my thing, and that

1902
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: that that's what they wasn't gonna get out of me.

1903
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: So uh and my whole thing was like, you don't

1904
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: want to move into Chris Bosh and into being the guy.

1905
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: That's fine, I say, if y'all don't want me here,

1906
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: just move me. And it just became an ugly situation.

1907
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: And so when it actually happened, we're playing the Pacers

1908
01:31:54,640 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: that night in Indiana, and prior to that, the GM

1909
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: made he rest in peace. Uh he he um. He

1910
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 1: told uh told my agent that nobody called, there was

1911
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: no interest, nobody was really interested. Okay, cool, take my

1912
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: nap and wake up to seventy two calls and text.

1913
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking about like literally it went from

1914
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: nobody was interested to two hours later, I just got

1915
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: traded to the next. So I'm just like, bro, what's good? Like, okay, cool, um,

1916
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: what do I do? I ain't never been in that like,

1917
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: but I you know, I wasn't even thinking about no movement.

1918
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I just like, like, if y'all don't need me, if

1919
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: y'a don't want me anymore, Like I ain't trying to

1920
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: be no problem, just getting rid of the problem if

1921
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm the problem. When they got rid of the problem,

1922
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: but the problem, it made it look like I was

1923
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: a problem. Like basically, they just made it look like,

1924
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to be there. I didn't

1925
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: want to play. It got to the point where I

1926
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: was starting games uh Me and Jalen. The next thing,

1927
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, I come right out the game. And if

1928
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a real player, you know you

1929
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,560
Speaker 1: can't get no rhythm if you playing a couple of

1930
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: minutes and then sitting right down. That's just that's just

1931
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: how the game, especially if you're used to playing big minutes,

1932
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: especially for you. That's what I'm trying to say, right,

1933
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: So it was just weird how well and it was

1934
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: just like how do you react to that? And then

1935
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: you come back in out of rhythm? So it just

1936
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: looked bad. And I it was at the point, I

1937
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: don't win the battle in the media. What do I

1938
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: go to the media saying say what when when you

1939
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: got them saying I can't, I can't, I don't win that.

1940
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: So I just had to be patient and take my lumps.

1941
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: So bro I took lumps for nine years, ten years,

1942
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: and I was like one of these days. Next thing,

1943
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's just other people just started to understand

1944
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and catch window hide. It all took place. And let

1945
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: me say it's real quick. It was no oart feelings.

1946
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: But it's like, it's a business. I was introduced to

1947
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: the business the first night of my career, so I

1948
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: knew what it was, you know what I'm saying. So

1949
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: I know it's a business. You know, I love this game.

1950
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: And you know that's one thing they don't tell you

1951
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: get drafted in the NBA. It's like, oh, I made it.

1952
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I made it to the game of basketball. It's born

1953
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 1: in the game of basketball. You got in. You just

1954
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: made to the business of basketball. So it was a business.

1955
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 1: And I was hurt. So I had a bad achilles

1956
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: from from you know, you know, my shoes or whatever.

1957
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: But we'll just leave at that. And uh, you know

1958
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: that I was wearing and so I was down. So

1959
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: when I got back and was able to play as

1960
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: a new Jersey net, I had something to prove bro

1961
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: because they was like, oh, he don't love the game,

1962
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: like you're telling me, I don't love the game after

1963
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: what you've seen me do for five six years. Like that.

1964
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: That was like when you tell me that I don't

1965
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: love the game. That's that's one thing that I can't handle.

1966
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: And especially if you look now years later or whatever,

1967
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: fifteen years later, that that's the one thing I love

1968
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: to do. At this age, I love the game. Basketball

1969
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 1: is life. That's what we do. That's why we talk

1970
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: about this thing to this day because we love it.

1971
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: And that was a questioning. I couldn't handle that. So

1972
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: it all worked out and got that opportunity in New Jersey.

1973
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: Now I'm playing with j kids. So they're like, oh,

1974
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: how come he didn't do that? How come you wasn't

1975
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: doing that with with with the Toronto Raptors. Bro. I

1976
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 1: also didn't have Jason Kidd throwing throw him there. Ever,

1977
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: let's be real about it, like come on, like, let's

1978
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: let's look at it. Call of spade to spade, Like,

1979
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd is my point guard. Bro. You you turn

1980
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: around on the break, you look up the ball already there? Yep?

1981
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: Come on, man? Like yes, now as a score, all

1982
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: you mean all I gotta do is just score. I

1983
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: ain't gotta beat my man all the time. Oh man,

1984
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: come on, let's be real. What was it like playing

1985
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: with Jay Kid? Because I think he's someone that gets

1986
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: lost in the mix too, But he's one of the

1987
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: greatest point guards we've ever seen. I've ever seen, man,

1988
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: And I've been fortunate enough to play with a couple

1989
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: of them, and I'll talk about that later on. But um,

1990
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, play with j Kid the first day, I'm

1991
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: obviously playing against them and All Star Games or whatever.

1992
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: But and we played in the Olympics. But the first

1993
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: day he said, hey, man, he said, don't get mad

1994
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: at me because the first our first game, I'm throwing

1995
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: you alive and I'm just gonna see how high. That's

1996
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: the first thing he said. That's the first thing he

1997
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: said to me. So the first game he throws me

1998
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: a love that basically was at the top of the

1999
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: backboard where it was like, all right, bro, But me

2000
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: being me, I'm gonna try gotten that bit. You know,

2001
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: I got my hand on so I missed the first

2002
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: one went out about he said, Okay, so you're willing

2003
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 1: to You're just willing to try anything. Yeah, So it

2004
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: just makes exactly I was like, bro, and then and

2005
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: then what made it, um more fun is that so

2006
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: you run the court. So if you run in the court,

2007
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: you know J K gonna throw me the love. Everybody

2008
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna shift that way. But guess what, there was that

2009
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: other high jumping dude on the other side by the

2010
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: name of Argent. You I'm saying, So the game just

2011
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: got easier because it's now you got another athlete, another dunker.

2012
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: The game is open. It's just a different squad. I'm

2013
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: not playing with the squad that I played with, so

2014
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: it's a different, different team. So it was It was fun. Man.

2015
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: It just gave me new life and I just wanted

2016
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,799
Speaker 1: to go out there and show that I still belonged,

2017
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: that still you know, deserved to be and can be

2018
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: one of the best players out there. So we were

2019
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: pretty much out of the playoffs and we we ended

2020
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: up getting the a C that year and ended up

2021
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: playing the Miami Heat. M So that's that's a young

2022
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: That's when Wade and Shock first teamed up O five.

2023
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: They swept you guys in the first round, uh to

2024
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: to two thousand and six, you go up against Indiana

2025
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: in the first round of six games and you guys

2026
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: knocked uh Jack's team out. What do you guys remember

2027
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: about that series? Man? Knocked down drag out. Like you said,

2028
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: it was the inspected. So it was still the old

2029
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: East physical you know what I'm saying, Like y'all had,

2030
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: uh what's a j point guard? Big point guard? Uh?

2031
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: Just had They had a bunch of defenders. And it

2032
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: was just it was just like what we know, like

2033
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: watching the Last Dance. That's what it was like. It

2034
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: was in your face. I don't care about you, you

2035
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: don't care about me. We're gonna play hard. I'm expected them.

2036
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: But I knew if I didn't hit Jack first, he's

2037
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: gonna hit me. You know. We're trying to get that.

2038
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: We're trying to get to the next round. And that's

2039
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: what it was all about. So I think we had

2040
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: a young Danny Granger that time. YE show did. So

2041
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: I was seeing like different guys, like you know if

2042
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: if I was trying my best to get one guy

2043
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: in foul trouble, guess what. So it was crazy, I

2044
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: bet you do. You remember how how we won the series?

2045
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: The last game I want to say it was, I

2046
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: think it was game six. We beat him in six, right,

2047
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: so I wanted one. I won the game went on

2048
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: the left hand dunk on jail. I don't know if

2049
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: that was the game. Remember that dunk I remember that.

2050
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: I remember that. That was one of the first times

2051
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: of me duncan left handed. You know, I don't. I

2052
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: don't really dunk left handed that much? Was that for

2053
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: the game wanted too? Yeah? That was a game winner ship. Yeah,

2054
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:27,560
Speaker 1: so that was my first, Like I was one of

2055
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: the first times, like like, I have a lot of

2056
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: respect for shot blockers, and you know, I had a

2057
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: dunk list and I was trying to dunk on whatever.

2058
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: So to be able to dunk on somebody like Joe

2059
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: and I know Jail everything and he's strong with it too,

2060
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: so you know, to be able to pull that off

2061
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: on that on that level, it was cool. So then

2062
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: you guys, after you guys beat Indiana, you guys run

2063
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: into the heat again on their way to their title

2064
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: talked to us a little bit about what that young

2065
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: d d Way was a fucking monster in them and

2066
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: then down before you start on the way, please tell

2067
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: let people know how cold this motherfucker was, because now

2068
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: we're watching this last Dance ship and people trying to

2069
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: say that Lebron never played with a piper where the

2070
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Way was finals any people from Lebron got there, So

2071
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: talk about d Way, But please a monster he was

2072
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: he had shot who shot and who was killing? Who

2073
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: was dominating? But bro, like we couldn't. Okay, so we

2074
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: we we played uh game one and we won game one.

2075
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: Don't understand we beat them game one and we we

2076
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: made an adjustment to where uh we put cliff Robinson

2077
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: on shot that wasn't an adjustment then, well, yeah, what

2078
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: because Jason Collins was kind of getting used and used

2079
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: Cliffer dog yeah, and shot respect where he wasn't really

2080
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: going through him and you know the elbows that shocked

2081
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: like to throw where he going to the basket. And

2082
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: it was working for us, and we spread the court

2083
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: and Cliffy was shooting the three. So we win game one.

2084
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, we got him back. We're gonna get swept.

2085
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: We got these boys back. Five well, leading in the

2086
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: game to my boy uncle Cliffy, Um, you know got

2087
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: suspended for being dirty. Yeah, my boy, that's my guy,

2088
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: that's my bad man during the playoffs. That's man. He

2089
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: came to his house the night before and you know,

2090
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 1: and he got suspended. And then they proceeded to four

2091
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: owe us uh and we're using five and I didn't

2092
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: even know that crazy. Yeah, So man, that boy d

2093
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: Wade was just next level hitting shots. And you know

2094
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, you didn't consider him a

2095
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: great shooter, so you you're playing them for the drive.

2096
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 1: But did he started doing everything in a Wade track,

2097
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: pick and roll. Once he got back to the left

2098
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: hand man, it's over. Change the direction was unbelievable, unbelievable

2099
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: because remember you always wanted to force him, You always

2100
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: wanted to force him to the screen. But just like Genobli,

2101
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: he would get back to that baseline and there was

2102
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: he was you dunk on you post. It was killing

2103
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: good at it, man, and he knew how to use

2104
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:07,799
Speaker 1: his body. So once he got by shock, he crossed

2105
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the back over while you're still trying to get over shack. Yeah,

2106
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: and there gonna do about that, bro. You know what

2107
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I can talk basketball like this to y'all.

2108
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking. You know what I'm talking about.

2109
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it was impossible. And

2110
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 1: once he got that still, like you said, he was

2111
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: either dunking year old, drawing the foul, or doing all

2112
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the above. So problem. So you've been known from putting

2113
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: people on posters, obviously with the dunk of the Olympics,

2114
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the Alonzo Morning dunk in two thousand and five. Just

2115
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: walk us through that sequence, because that could be one

2116
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: of the sickest chest to chest face dunk on your

2117
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: motherfucking ass we've ever seen. So two thousand five, we're

2118
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,719
Speaker 1: playing at Miami and the first quarter the game starts

2119
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: and I go, baseline, boom dunk on Zoe. Alright, cool, whatever,

2120
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, when you dunk on Zo, you better be

2121
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 1: happy because Zoe coming back. Hen, That's just what it is.

2122
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Two plays later, r J boom dunk on him, So

2123
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: we both dunker him in the first half. That's it

2124
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: go we get the halftime. I'm sitting in the locker room,

2125
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: I said r J. Literally, I said this, this is

2126
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 1: my worst I said, r J. When you gonna be

2127
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: in the duncle's Zoe again, because he's gonna knock us

2128
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: out the air. He ain't going, So I said, what

2129
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to take

2130
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: the hit, bounce off of, and then hopefully you can

2131
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: dunk it. God's on his truth. So second half comes,

2132
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the ball goes out, r J tries to make a

2133
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: lamp gets bumped out I get the ball, go behind

2134
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the back of my boy j will On Bubbs, and

2135
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I take two dribbles. So I took the first dribble

2136
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: and I see the baskets, I see Zoe, so he's

2137
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: sitting there like, yeah, okay, I'm about to block it.

2138
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: But you know, Jason Collins was so smart, but so

2139
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: you don't know. He was holding zose On so he

2140
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: couldn't go. And as I took my second dribble, he

2141
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: let him go. So as soon as he let him go,

2142
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: Zoe was already too late. So once I got in

2143
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: the air, bro, he jumped at me. So I'm up.

2144
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: He jumping at me already have the momentum because I

2145
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 1: got up first. So when hire when he hit me,

2146
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: he bumps me up higher. So so when I hit

2147
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: him and I'm leading to the side, I'm like, oh, ship,

2148
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: the rim is right there. So I'm like, bro, don't

2149
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: miss it. I'm like, bro, don't miss this. This is

2150
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity. So I just caught it. And I just

2151
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: remember I was so high. I just threw it through

2152
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 1: and I remember running down the court like so fell

2153
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: bad and I was I just look at our bitch

2154
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 1: like and I ran down the court and then and

2155
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 1: then the wait was siding. He's like that ain't right, bro,

2156
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: I know him saying that I laughed, but I tried

2157
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: to play it like I was tough, like you know,

2158
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in me muggy. But he said that,

2159
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 1: but that body had been the funniest thing ever. Like

2160
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: his teammate got buked. He's like, ain't right, it's one

2161
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: of them. Just when it happened, everybody running around the

2162
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: house was running around the house. Oh God, like what

2163
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: just happened? Man? It was there was there any truth

2164
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: that you guys didn't talk for like six or seven

2165
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: years after that was Man, it was like five years

2166
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 1: so so so and I and see here's a crazying

2167
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 1: I heard. I saw his response somewhere. He's like, it

2168
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 1: wasn't true. I ain't got no reason to lie about it.

2169
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 1: But like it was a basketball play, you know what

2170
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's not like we said him up like

2171
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: trying to jump on it was just like he tried

2172
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: to block it. It happened, okay. But I think the

2173
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: backstory to it is a commercial was trying to be

2174
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do a commercial with that

2175
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 1: Uh Like he tried to use a commercial and ask

2176
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: for his permission. He didn't want it to be done.

2177
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Uh So they ran the commercial up until the point

2178
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 1: to where we bumped and before I dunked it and

2179
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: they cut it off. Damn. So they used that much

2180
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: of it, and I guess he felt like I had

2181
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 1: something to do with it. I ain't gonna do that

2182
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 1: the first time you've been dunk. Don't've been dunk don't

2183
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: by everybody. And I had dunked him my rookie year,

2184
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: and I flexed on him like he's like, you don't,

2185
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: fella calmed down. That's how young fellas get hurt. I

2186
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: was like, my bad, you know what I'm saying, Like

2187
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I ain't stopped, you know what I'm saying. It was

2188
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: one of those type of things. So so leading up

2189
01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: to us how it was like five years so All

2190
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Star Games Land though right All Star Gaming Orlando, uh

2191
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 1: is I helped. I hosted a dinner for Obama at

2192
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: my house and guests to coming in. Is only seventy people,

2193
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: doorbell rained, door open, you know, somebody open the door.

2194
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying at the front, like greeting people, and I

2195
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: see O. I was like, okay, so how are we

2196
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna play this one? Because he ain't talked to me

2197
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 1: in all these years, like you go walking in my house,

2198
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 1: keep going on, not like something I don't know. So

2199
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to because you know, it's like all right,

2200
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm you know, clearly you don't want to talk for

2201
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: whatever reason. So it's all good because al right, prior

2202
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 1: to we sat in the restaurant in Miami at Prime

2203
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: one twelve and see each other and he didn't speak.

2204
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't see me and not we were facing

2205
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: each other, but maybe he didn't see me whatever, So

2206
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: I didn't know how this was gonna play out. So

2207
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: that's why I was like in for five years. And

2208
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 1: finally when he walked in, we smoked, hug. It was

2209
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: all good, Like we talked, was like like nothing never happened,

2210
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: and I was like cool, whatever, it's a basketball play,

2211
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 1: so it is what it is. And I didn't want

2212
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 1: him and he probably never I probably I never actually

2213
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: said that, but I think I personally think that's what

2214
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 1: led to him being frustrated or not talked to me

2215
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,640
Speaker 1: because maybe he felt like I had something to do

2216
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: with that commercial and I didn't and Yeah, that's something

2217
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: I've read. That's what I'm saying. It already the word

2218
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 1: I've seen it already, bro, And that was my point.

2219
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: So like that's what I was like. It was a

2220
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: basketball play. Like if you block it, yo, that's your highlight.

2221
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: Now we see sports and like he he floored because

2222
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 1: if he blocked that, I'm hitting the floor. You know

2223
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it is what it is. He

2224
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: gonna get mad again because we're gonna I'm gonna make

2225
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: sure they edit this. Uh so we get that on

2226
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: the edits that we put on Instagram. So it was

2227
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,560
Speaker 1: it was a cool dumb bro. Like I'll tell you, like,

2228
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I ain't never like you know, when you feel like

2229
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: you're floating and then people like, oh, you're always floating out,

2230
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: But that's the next level float because I started going

2231
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: higher when I wasn't prepared to go high. But that's

2232
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 1: a scary feeling. I have never jumped as high as you,

2233
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: but I've dunked and got hit on the way up

2234
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and got hired. And that's scary for that one split

2235
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 1: second because you're not expecting to be that guy and

2236
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: knowing where the ring is at. So I've only how

2237
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 1: many times in my life? Right, you've done it all

2238
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: the time, But for motherfucker's that don't fly like you

2239
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: when you go up and someone hits you and propels

2240
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: you just a little bit hard. That's a scary feeling.

2241
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: It don't happen to me once twice. But I used

2242
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: to like it because now I know where it feels

2243
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: like to be that high, right, to be up there

2244
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: like you do it on my own. Yeah, that's all

2245
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It happened to me a couple of times,

2246
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 1: and that ship is scary. But so we've talked about

2247
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: legendary dunker throughout your career. Who were your top five

2248
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: dunk on? So we talked about the Olympic one, we

2249
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: talked about Zoe or those in your top five that

2250
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 1: you remember if you're dunk of your career? What are

2251
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:53,560
Speaker 1: another three? Number Tumbo Frederick Bce. So I'll tell you

2252
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: what I don't don't Patrick Ewing, And I don't know why,

2253
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: but that was like one of the happiest moment. I

2254
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: typically didn't didn't run home to watch Sports Center, But

2255
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: when I don't don't. When I don't know Patrick Ewing,

2256
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I felt like that I just accomplished something major that

2257
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I ran home, was like, oh, I gotta see this,

2258
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 1: because like he was considered one of the He wasn't

2259
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: the elite dunkers, I mean shot blockers of the of

2260
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:15,720
Speaker 1: the world, but he was on one of my on

2261
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: my list still still. And then and then I dumped

2262
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: on h I dun my guy a larger one two

2263
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: hands for a game winner. Uh when he was when

2264
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: he was in Houston, so he was playing for the Rockets,

2265
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was my teammate also in Toronto a

2266
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: couple of years later, and that you still I don't

2267
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: know him to two hands like body for the game.

2268
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 1: So that was one of my favorite. And then um,

2269
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 1: yeah I got something. I guess, um, that's that's fine

2270
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: right there. I think what that one it was? It

2271
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 1: was no nobody, That's what I'm gonna say. I can't.

2272
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 1: I can't I count that because I did. I dumped.

2273
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 1: I jumped under the rim and dunking backwards. Is that

2274
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: when you went by Chris Mullen, you went by Chris Basine, right,

2275
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 1: So I did. I dumped on the other side for

2276
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: fear that Dale Davis was gonna take there. So that's

2277
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: why I dumped on the other side, and after the

2278
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: game he said, I like you. That's why I sucked

2279
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 1: you up. His words, Man, you jumped. You jumped so high.

2280
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: Them niggas jumped out the frame. They couldn't do that anyway.

2281
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: That's why why you can't see Chris Mullin. You jumped

2282
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: my Hey. So that was that was playing b because

2283
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I was just gonna go two hand on brick Smith.

2284
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, okay, let me just see.

2285
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 1: Oh the rim there because I was gonna do this rim.

2286
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: That ship was sick. So you got Frederick Wise morning,

2287
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: you wing Alijah on in Houston, and then that Mullen

2288
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 1: Uh first step by Mullen on Indiana. Yeah, if y'all

2289
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: count that as a dunk on, that's cool. Yeah real quick.

2290
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 1: Toby had to kill list of players coming out that

2291
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: he wanted to uh knockout and prove you is better

2292
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 1: than you keep touching on your dunk list. Who who

2293
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: talked to us about what your dunk list was? Any

2294
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,679
Speaker 1: big man that was that was considered a great shot blocker.

2295
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: The only guy that I did not get. Um, Well,

2296
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: let me say this now because I know Shack gonna

2297
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 1: has something to say. I didn't dunk on Shock. You

2298
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: can't tell him he makes that? Yeah, I got I

2299
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: got Tim in college. Yeah, I got Tim in college

2300
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: almost almost, Like I dunkel timm In in the league

2301
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, I don't know in college two hands

2302
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: and I dun't on one hand in in in uh

2303
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: in San Antonio in front of the bench. Um, but

2304
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get Yao and Shock. I got Sean Bradley. Uh,

2305
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: he was a. He was a he was dunk baked. Yeah, No,

2306
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: you know who was dunk Make my guy Sam down there.

2307
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Any anybody that's gonna be close to leading

2308
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: the league in shot blocking is gonna get dunked on.

2309
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: To look back that they challenged. So I respect the

2310
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: funk out of them shot blockers, even if they do

2311
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: get dunked on, because they're challenging everything. Bro. That ship

2312
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 1: is tough. THEO Ratliffe I called a couple of times, like, yeah,

2313
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 1: he was a big blocker. Yeah, I mean you name me.

2314
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Any I dumped through bloody something disgusting, we had a

2315
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: discussion about it. So I did on Turt when he

2316
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: was in sack with Baseline, did a spin move back

2317
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 1: to the middle. So I was going right. They cut

2318
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: tried to cut me off. I did a spin move

2319
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 1: back into the center of the paint. Lady tried to

2320
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: come up there and put two hands up and I

2321
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: just two hands set on you know. So yeah, yeah, man, yeah,

2322
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: especially in the old building was looking low as hell. Yeah,

2323
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 1: because arena was a little small, tiny college arena. Two

2324
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: thousand nine year traded Orlando, Ryan Anderson, Austin Batti. Orlando

2325
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 1: had been in the finals the year before the Lakers.

2326
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 1: I come that year too. We got a hell of

2327
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: a team, hell of a team. Talked to us about

2328
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 1: that expen. We felt like I felt like we had

2329
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 1: a chance to go act to the finals. I say

2330
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: we because they did the privac year. But you know

2331
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,799
Speaker 1: we we came on the team that year in battle

2332
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: the Lakers uh in the finals. We had a hell

2333
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: of a season. I want to talk to you about

2334
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:13,320
Speaker 1: this because and this is all due respect, stand and stand,

2335
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 1: and we had some amazing I want to get hey,

2336
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: I want to get Jay Will on this because remember

2337
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 1: the one day in practice when Jay Will went on

2338
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: went in on standing through the behind the back, bullet

2339
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: passed and hit him in his stomach. Him man, funk

2340
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 1: that ring. I keep that ship under my motherfucking sink.

2341
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, Jason White Shocolate is a fucking oh. I

2342
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 1: can't wait to get him. But but but talk to

2343
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 1: talk to us about this. We had hell of a season.

2344
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: This is when to me, Dwight Howard was one of

2345
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: the best players in the game. He was unbelievable. I

2346
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,799
Speaker 1: never played with a more athletic strong I mean, obviously

2347
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 1: I missed Shack in his prime, but Dwight would talk

2348
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: to us a little bit about what Dwight, what you

2349
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 1: saw in Dwight in those in our years in Orlando

2350
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: with him. So it was crazy, man, because I was

2351
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 1: obviously living and being from Florida and living an our way.

2352
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 1: Finally get an opportunity to play at home. Before you

2353
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: go this, motherfucking Vince has the best house I've ever

2354
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 1: been to. He used to live right next to Tiger.

2355
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Tiger used to be right there. Vince's fucking house in

2356
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Orlando is unbelievable. But go ahead, unbelievable. Yeah, that's uh So,

2357
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: getting the opportunity to play at home finally, and you

2358
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 1: know it was it was perfect timing for me. I

2359
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 1: don't think I could have handled it as a young

2360
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: guy being at home with all, you know, just our way.

2361
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: So just getting there and just looking at their team

2362
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 1: and man, I feel like the same thing. Man, I

2363
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: looked at this squads like they went to the finals,

2364
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: so they got the final, they got finals experience, adding

2365
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: some some some some veterans who guy's been around, who

2366
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,959
Speaker 1: you know, who knew knew how to play, had experience,

2367
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: and like this is what you actually had scoring, you

2368
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 1: had defense, you had rebound everything and everything you you

2369
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: could possibly get. Shooting yeah, j J who shooting lights out?

2370
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 1: Like we had everything. So we were deep. It was

2371
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: crazy and what it was it's like, you know, I

2372
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: felt like I still belong as a as a star player.

2373
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like the White this

2374
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: is his team, Like he had just gone to the

2375
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: finals and did doing great things. You're mirror, you know,

2376
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 1: another guy who's just doing great things. And so it

2377
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: was just like just fit in, man, and then we

2378
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: bring that team though, like you were alright, go like

2379
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 1: we had the obviously Richard Lewis is on the big

2380
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 1: contract there. Yeah, but you are a go to guy

2381
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: that and like you said, we had everything in place

2382
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: to be a championship team with that team that year

2383
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: exactly so, and that's what it was for me. I

2384
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm just gonna be me and stands

2385
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: like I just need you to be You would just

2386
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: do your role beat because I don't care about who's

2387
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: the man like, but when you need a bucket, bro,

2388
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: give me a call, I'm ready giving it, you know

2389
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying, Like,

2390
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: this's whatever, But I knew how what what would need

2391
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: to be done. We had to establish the White and

2392
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: his dominance act like that's stupid if we didn't do that.

2393
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: So you give him the ball, it opens up the

2394
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: rest of the game, so or vice versa. If I

2395
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: got rolling like he wrote, like when the White was

2396
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: rolling down the paint, throwing lives and catching like ducks,

2397
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: like it's like, what do you do with that? You

2398
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:03,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it was just like he

2399
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: was just raw and and and still had, uh, you know,

2400
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot to learn it, but he was just he

2401
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: started to understand and I think making the finals that

2402
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 1: first year helped him kind of growing mature. I mean,

2403
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 1: he was still silly as hell, but like silly that

2404
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 1: that was the only thing that looking back, like this

2405
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker was so good. He just didn't take nothing serious. Man.

2406
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: He was so fucking good. But he would be looking

2407
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 1: around in Eastern Conference practice like my nigga, like we're

2408
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 1: playing the Celtics and damn right, just focus just for

2409
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: a second. But but like bro, your boy like hating bro.

2410
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: He tried to you know what I'm saying. Like so

2411
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 1: it was just crazy like and and just to go

2412
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 1: through it and and and just so it was just crazy,

2413
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 1: like we were like cool. Everybody was laid back, but

2414
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: dump when to kind of to take it seriously at all.

2415
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: As we as we got deep in the playoffs, I'm

2416
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, I'm gonna think I had an awful January.

2417
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: I was shooting from the field and you remember this man.

2418
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: Come February, we get rolled and were playing the Pelican

2419
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 1: and that night I got out of shooting something and

2420
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 1: I had forty eight HM, and I was just going,

2421
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't miss bro and We're playing at home. And

2422
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I felt after that we took off and became got

2423
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 1: into playoff mode from February because you know, it all

2424
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 1: start breaking cop back and then next thing, you know,

2425
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: we're getting into the playoffs and well that's the same

2426
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: year too that that's the ball fake year. So the

2427
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: ball fake with code people don't understand, like when that

2428
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 1: ship happened, that was that game that was that was

2429
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: that ballco So it was neated because everyone thinking like, yo, this,

2430
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna about to see these motherfuckers, you know what

2431
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean. So Cod was on this ship and people

2432
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know the whole time, I'm looking for you off

2433
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 1: the backscreen for this play, and the fucking ball fake

2434
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 1: just happens. But that game right there too, it's just like, Okay,

2435
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 1: we beat the Lakers late in the season in a battle,

2436
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have to see these dudes in another

2437
01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, six weeks and we're gonna play the ready

2438
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: had that game. We're not backing down from ship. They

2439
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: beat the last that the previous year. Trevor Reason was

2440
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 1: trying to punk turkle Wod might have worked, so they

2441
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 1: we bought reinforcement. We was ready for the Lakers that year,

2442
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: so we sweep through the playoffs. Jack caught some of it.

2443
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: Beat the Yeah, like I think we were winning by

2444
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 1: like twenty something a game like we said an NBA

2445
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: record we ran through at right. He was the only

2446
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:32,320
Speaker 1: one who got any kind of buckets on your right, Jack,

2447
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: check U out, Hey, I remember, I ain't say. But

2448
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 1: with the Hawks though, I remember playing for the Hawks

2449
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 1: were getting go in the game for the beginning, Say Bro,

2450
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: hurry if we get this over with so we can

2451
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: go home, because like that's how it was that nobody

2452
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: could miss with we were nobody through. Tell me if

2453
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because this is what I saw. And shock

2454
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 1: always comes into my head when I think that that

2455
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 1: stand freezes in big games. So I love Standing as

2456
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 1: far as X and O is one of the greatest

2457
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 1: coaches I've ever played for from a strategy stand point,

2458
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: our preparation standpoint, when you play for staying, you're gonna

2459
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: be ready. Outside of them shoot around practices where he

2460
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: had to be taped with with you know, we had

2461
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 1: tape and knee pads and shoot around bro and really practiced.

2462
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: That ship was the worst. That was the worst. But

2463
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: outside of that stand is gonna have you prepare. But

2464
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. If we did not change

2465
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 1: everything we had one with going into the Eastern Conference finals,

2466
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: we fucked everyone up in the playoffs we had beat

2467
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: we were we had success against Boston in the regular season.

2468
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 1: So we're going to the Eastern Conference Finals against Boston,

2469
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: says KG. This is their big three, right, yeah, Rondo,

2470
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:42,760
Speaker 1: they were all, yeah, they had a squad, but we

2471
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 1: had had a good success. Like we feel like no

2472
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: one could funk with us be going to that series

2473
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 1: and stands like, you know, this is a really veteran team.

2474
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 1: I think we need to add a few, you know,

2475
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 1: a few different plays and looks in our thing, and

2476
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: we change our whole offense, bro our whole entire offense.

2477
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: The one thing I remember from that that that that

2478
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 1: that kind of frustrated and and it kind of shifted everything,

2479
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,600
Speaker 1: especially as we started getting later into the into the series.

2480
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, I remember you remember the White wanted more

2481
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: touches and we tried his force feed the ball into

2482
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 1: White and it didn't work because like it was just

2483
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: like you know, he he perk Perkin, and they were

2484
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 1: they were just switching off and they just they were

2485
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,240
Speaker 1: not letting him get off because they didn't like they

2486
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:30,880
Speaker 1: didn't like thet Yeah, KG, they had the motherfucker's a

2487
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: rotate on the White. Yeah, like they weren't they weren't

2488
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to see it, and I think I just felt

2489
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 1: like we kept force feeding. So after a while, you know,

2490
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Rashard uh one on one side of the other side,

2491
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: we kind of just sitting there and trying to force feed.

2492
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 1: Force feed wasn't working. And then when the ball started

2493
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 1: coming back out, we weren't hitting shot because I remember,

2494
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: I remember we yeah, man, we just it just changes.

2495
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, let's open the floor up, Let's open

2496
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 1: the floor. We want to make their big we want

2497
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: to make the guard come in and then get get

2498
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,040
Speaker 1: a white going down. But when the white rolled down

2499
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 1: to the Cylina doing the duck in, what are you

2500
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: doing that? I couldn't do nothing, you know what I'm saying.

2501
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:08,720
Speaker 1: So that's that was the thing. So we kind of

2502
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,600
Speaker 1: changed it up. And it was unfortunate because we got

2503
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 1: we lost to them at six, and we felt that

2504
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 1: I definitely felt like that that was our chance, uh

2505
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,120
Speaker 1: to kind of get it done. Like we're a game,

2506
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 1: a game or two away from back in the finals

2507
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: and probably gonna see the Lakers again. Y'all was at

2508
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: your best man to pick and roll when you when

2509
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 1: you you was at the pick and roll at the

2510
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 1: top of the key, bringing it up and running the

2511
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 1: pick and roll, and I got shooters everywhere. That's why,

2512
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:41,640
Speaker 1: because we couldn't stop so crazy. That was so crazy

2513
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 1: because you had a veteran squad and the ball move, bro,

2514
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 1: It's like, who need to get the ball? Who was open?

2515
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 1: Was gonna get the ball? I have space in it? Everything?

2516
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Yea was was your offense was running clock like like

2517
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 1: everybody's on the same page. Yeah, because you have a

2518
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 1: veteran group. But it was about winning, bro, Like I

2519
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 1: really thought. I thought your headed to a head on

2520
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: finals rematch with the Lakers man and that ship would

2521
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:05,200
Speaker 1: have been a war, you know what I mean? That

2522
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 1: ship would have That ship would have been a blast,

2523
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,480
Speaker 1: but should have would have cult it didn't happen. And

2524
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:16,920
Speaker 1: that year I got hold on what is it like

2525
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 1: playing with Matt though? What is it like being a

2526
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:23,120
Speaker 1: match teammate? And it's it's it's like I'm saying, it's

2527
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 1: one of the Yeah, so I know what it's like

2528
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 1: being his real life brother. You know what I'm saying,

2529
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:32,280
Speaker 1: And and and and that and that ship. Oh my god,

2530
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 1: that's the whole other story. But it's crazy as as

2531
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,400
Speaker 1: we go. As we you know it's funny. So that

2532
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: was our younger years, the first thing in Orlando, and

2533
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:43,080
Speaker 1: it was just like it is what it is. It's

2534
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 1: like as soon as we side, I was like, oh, bro,

2535
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 1: we got yeah real one, like we're about to go

2536
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 1: over defense shoot like like I told you. It was

2537
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 1: just like you understood what it was and like, A

2538
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 1: that's what I said to beat. It was like, bro,

2539
02:01:56,600 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 1: you know he was down to get down with anybody

2540
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:02,480
Speaker 1: for his team. It is what it is. And and

2541
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 1: and then when you see that, it makes you when

2542
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 1: he go jump out there in in in the uh

2543
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:10,680
Speaker 1: in the rat hole, like bro, like dog were with you, Bro,

2544
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,720
Speaker 1: like you do that for us. We got your back

2545
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 1: to it like I said, that's why he said he

2546
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 1: he had me out there. We're trying to win the game.

2547
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm like kick down now like they're

2548
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 1: doing like that. Like it was just cool, Like I mean,

2549
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:28,000
Speaker 1: he's just it was contagious on who he isn't bro,

2550
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,000
Speaker 1: Like people say what they want to say about them, Bro,

2551
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Like like that's what the loyal love the game and

2552
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna play it one way. Bro, I'm playing my way.

2553
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm abouna play hard notes like here a football player

2554
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:44,040
Speaker 1: like you, you coming at me, I'm gonna hit you back, bro,

2555
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: Like that is what it is, Like, that's just how

2556
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: you want to that, right, That's what I'm saying. And

2557
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like and I'm you're gonna have

2558
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 1: to back those words up. If you're gonna talk ship

2559
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 1: to me, then I'm gonna see what's really good like

2560
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,160
Speaker 1: or do you mean that? Let's go that then mean

2561
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. And then as we get

2562
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 1: to our second stint, as we get older, like you

2563
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 1: know it was, it's the same thing. And then down

2564
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm playing with a team full of We had a

2565
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 1: whole kennel of dogs. We used to talk about that

2566
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:24,200
Speaker 1: all the time, like look at this locker room. We

2567
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 1: could have won any fight. We was. We was a

2568
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 1: solid team. Everybody got hurt, but we could have won

2569
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 1: any fight. Yeah hell yeah. So tell me what it's

2570
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 1: like from being a go to superstar throughout your career

2571
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 1: to being that solid veteran presence. We hear about you

2572
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:45,720
Speaker 1: being in the locker room, a mentor, a coach, a

2573
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,680
Speaker 1: father figured almost some guys talk to us, how you know,

2574
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:52,879
Speaker 1: like you you're some guys don't fall from startom gracefully,

2575
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:54,160
Speaker 1: and that's why they kind of end up out the

2576
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 1: league before they really want to. You were able to

2577
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 1: gracefully find your place to be. Like you said, you

2578
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: can still compete, you can still play, you can still

2579
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 1: give minutes, but you understand that you know your role

2580
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: was to get these younger guys going. What kind of

2581
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: mental barrier or hurdles did you have to take to

2582
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,920
Speaker 1: get to that process. So once I got traded from

2583
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: Orlando the Phoenix, we're playing playing and all of a

2584
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 1: sudden we were losing, we weren't in the playoffs, and

2585
02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: they put me on. They wanted me to come off

2586
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 1: the bench. Bro, that that that conversation. Sometimes being a

2587
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 1: go to guy, it's a shot to you, to you,

2588
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:32,200
Speaker 1: to your ego, and uh it was kind of like

2589
02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:36,400
Speaker 1: running by me again. Okay cool and and for me, Bro,

2590
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: I just like I said, I've been saying the whole time,

2591
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:40,280
Speaker 1: I just love playing ball, man. I just love a

2592
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,920
Speaker 1: hoop and I just want to hoop. So I remember

2593
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:48,120
Speaker 1: um hearing that and going home that day, I was like, Bro,

2594
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 1: not like this, man, this is crazy. You know what

2595
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. After being a surprise trade. I didn't know

2596
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna get trade out of Orlando, and we

2597
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 1: were right there. We were fourth to fifth, uh best,

2598
02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:02,760
Speaker 1: had the fourth fifth best record when I got traded,

2599
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, bro, what's good?

2600
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:06,920
Speaker 1: But you know, it is what it is. So I

2601
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:09,160
Speaker 1: got there, and you know, the team wasn't good, but

2602
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm now playing with Steve Dash and I'm like, bro,

2603
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 1: this is I get a chance player, another point guard,

2604
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:17,240
Speaker 1: great point guard, and Grant of course, but it was

2605
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 1: just it was just different. Bro. We weren't winning, Steve

2606
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 1: got hurt, Grant got hurt a little bit, and then

2607
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,320
Speaker 1: now it's just a reserve role. And it's kind of

2608
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:27,240
Speaker 1: like I gotta figure out how to how to master

2609
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 1: this point blank. And so I started just look in

2610
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,560
Speaker 1: the mirror, first of all, and one thing I said,

2611
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:34,400
Speaker 1: and and not that I was questioning, but it's kind

2612
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 1: of reassures like you love this game, right, You're trying

2613
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:38,680
Speaker 1: to stick here as long as you can, right, Okay, cool,

2614
02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 1: So let's figure this out. So I started looking at

2615
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 1: the old film of Vinnie Johnson, you know, for from

2616
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 1: all the you know, old heads who who know who

2617
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 1: Vinnie Johnson is let's started watching Michael. I started watching

2618
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:54,280
Speaker 1: the Great Six Men of the Game and and and

2619
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 1: watching how they prepared themselves and how they was ready

2620
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,240
Speaker 1: to go to Who's you call Vinnie Johnson off the bitch?

2621
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:00,840
Speaker 1: But you had to be ready. He was ready to go,

2622
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:05,040
Speaker 1: Jason Terry was ready to go. Your notally was ready

2623
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 1: to go. You know that and stuff. He was ready

2624
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 1: to go soon he call his name. He was ready

2625
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:10,200
Speaker 1: to go. So I had to figure out how to

2626
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: be a star in my new role and and and

2627
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:15,840
Speaker 1: and be effective and and once it was Buffy at first, Bro,

2628
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 1: I ain't got lot to you, like obviously, like, oh man,

2629
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm used to kind of getting into the game and

2630
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 1: and and and and and roll it as I need to.

2631
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 1: But now as when you come off the bench, it's

2632
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 1: like it's go time immediately. And uh. Once I got

2633
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 1: used to it, everything took off and I was like,

2634
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:32,160
Speaker 1: it's not so bad, and I'm gonna I'm gonna be

2635
02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:35,720
Speaker 1: a star in my role. I let that go to

2636
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:39,160
Speaker 1: guy different though, because like when when I have coaches

2637
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 1: say go to guys, are you to go to guy?

2638
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 1: I think of they saying that you got confidence to

2639
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:44,960
Speaker 1: take the shot just like you would taking in the

2640
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:46,880
Speaker 1: first quarter. A lot of guys on a lot of

2641
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: guys don't have the confidence like this. Shooters that come

2642
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 1: along in the NBA are knocked down shooters. They shoot

2643
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:54,280
Speaker 1: forty eight percent forty percent from the free through from

2644
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:56,160
Speaker 1: the peopt line of whole career. You give him the

2645
02:06:56,160 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 1: ball in the fourth quarter three seconds left, nothing, no confidence.

2646
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,920
Speaker 1: So I think when they say you a go to

2647
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:05,520
Speaker 1: guy or the go to guy of the team, I

2648
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:07,400
Speaker 1: think they know you got confidence to shoot that shot

2649
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,840
Speaker 1: and have the comment of like, and That's what I'm

2650
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna say to that is um So my goal was,

2651
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: regardless of if I'm starting to not, I want to

2652
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:20,040
Speaker 1: finish the game. I want to be that reliable guys

2653
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:22,920
Speaker 1: like like that go to when you need a bucket. Yeah, regardless, Okay,

2654
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,280
Speaker 1: we know he started, but that this guy has proven

2655
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 1: and we know he's not afraid to take the big shot.

2656
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 1: And I've never been afraid to take the big shot

2657
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,800
Speaker 1: on a big stage or a small stage or any

2658
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 1: stage at all. And and and I've been willing to

2659
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 1: deal with it. I think y'all, y'all chime in with

2660
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:41,280
Speaker 1: this and and tell what you think about this. But

2661
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I feel like guys, there's some guys who are afraid

2662
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:46,040
Speaker 1: to take the big shot in the fourth quarter because

2663
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 1: they're afraid of the backlash or what people gonna say

2664
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:56,000
Speaker 1: if you're afraid. Yeah, Kobe said he missed thirty straight

2665
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 1: shots and take the next ten. He didn't give a

2666
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 1: fun And that's the kind of mentality you have to have.

2667
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 1: I think you made it crazy great point just a

2668
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: second ago. I mean, starting is great, and people talk

2669
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 1: about starters. This isn't that, But guys who really know,

2670
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 1: it's about who finishes the game. Who's that Who a starter,

2671
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:13,560
Speaker 1: who's on the floor in the last three minutes. It's

2672
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 1: really what matters. Right, you could be a starter, bro.

2673
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 1: You could be a starter and the first three minutes, bro,

2674
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: and then and cock the second quarter right right, Like

2675
02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's great, you want to be

2676
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,680
Speaker 1: you want if you want to be a starter in

2677
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:32,680
Speaker 1: a closer Yeah, I want to I want to close

2678
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: the game. That's when you get pride of myself. Yeah,

2679
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 1: I prided myself on being in there at the end

2680
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:37,880
Speaker 1: of the game because they know we're gonna hate some

2681
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: stops and I'm gonna hit knocked down a couple of

2682
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 1: big shots, like that's what people. You don't start, you

2683
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 1: know this. You know starting is great and everyone sees

2684
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 1: the starters, but now their last motherfucking three minutes? Did

2685
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 1: see you close it? Though? Right? You don't see me

2686
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:54,520
Speaker 1: started Mat mat us to come off the bench. We

2687
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:56,480
Speaker 1: just start goose, you know what I'm saying. But at

2688
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 1: the end of games, Matt is at the four. But

2689
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:02,120
Speaker 1: the three we've always finished. We always finished the game

2690
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:05,120
Speaker 1: with small ball. Ye I had to go to president Day.

2691
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 1: How was it like working with Trade? Younger, young guys

2692
02:09:07,240 --> 02:09:09,000
Speaker 1: like John Collins. I know these guys in the future

2693
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,520
Speaker 1: of the NBA, and I know you're giving them the

2694
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 1: right game. You see me around a lot. I come

2695
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:13,760
Speaker 1: to the games and I see I see how you

2696
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,240
Speaker 1: beat with him. But it's refreshing to see how they

2697
02:09:16,360 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 1: respect you, because you get the same respect from guys

2698
02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:20,880
Speaker 1: your age. How was it giving them advice and being

2699
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 1: around those young guys? It was crazy. It's crazy because

2700
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, I look at Trade because I played against

2701
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 1: his pops in college. You know, when he played for

2702
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,080
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I don't know if if you remember Darvin

2703
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:35,120
Speaker 1: Ham when he broke the back. Yeah, Trades Dad was

2704
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 1: on that team, which is your coach. Yeah you want

2705
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 1: your coaches now though, right, so so you know what

2706
02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like so, so it's it's crazy to see him,

2707
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 1: but like just to see the one thing I was

2708
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:54,200
Speaker 1: impressed in Trade more so than anything outside anything basketball,

2709
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:56,000
Speaker 1: was how he was able to handle the media. So

2710
02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 1: when we came up and came to the league, like

2711
02:09:58,080 --> 02:10:00,240
Speaker 1: it was, it was no social media like but this

2712
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:03,200
Speaker 1: it was used to to to the big stages in

2713
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:07,400
Speaker 1: the social stage already like it is. He he knew

2714
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:09,840
Speaker 1: how to handle that. So it's been cool, Like I mean,

2715
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,720
Speaker 1: you just see how young guys they just got allow

2716
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:14,440
Speaker 1: to learn and they're they're so talented, but learning the

2717
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:18,240
Speaker 1: actual game of basketball is different than being good at basketball.

2718
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:20,280
Speaker 1: To me, like you could be you could be good,

2719
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:21,960
Speaker 1: but it's a bunch of dudes who are athletic. It's

2720
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes who can do this. But when

2721
02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:26,640
Speaker 1: it comes down to playoff basketball, that's when you see

2722
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 1: what what what you got? And and so that's right now,

2723
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:31,760
Speaker 1: my goal is to try to prepare these guys, and

2724
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 1: it's it's impossible to to to to teach a young

2725
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:39,960
Speaker 1: guy and and and and spit game to him about

2726
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,240
Speaker 1: what the playoffs are like until you actually get there,

2727
02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:46,760
Speaker 1: but until you actually playing a playoff game. But I

2728
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 1: can tell but every shot matters. I can tell you

2729
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 1: the whole world is really watching because it ain't. But

2730
02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:54,960
Speaker 1: so many teams playing, I can tell you it's gonna

2731
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:57,880
Speaker 1: be packed every night, all that stuff like until you

2732
02:10:58,200 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 1: until you feel it and you feel how your body

2733
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,840
Speaker 1: feels and how nervous you are when they hammer all

2734
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:07,880
Speaker 1: the time, Like every possession matters until you go through that,

2735
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:10,880
Speaker 1: it's just it don't matter. So like it's been fun

2736
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 1: to teach them, and you know, I try to try

2737
02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:16,720
Speaker 1: to spit game and and and and explain to them

2738
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 1: the history of the game and how Guy's handling, and

2739
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's always the debates about who's this, who's that.

2740
02:11:21,560 --> 02:11:25,400
Speaker 1: But I'm like, bro, you you don't establish yourself until

2741
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:29,480
Speaker 1: you you don't done done something in the playoffs, thank you. Well,

2742
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 1: that's why I think. That's why I think Milwaukee doesn't

2743
02:11:31,320 --> 02:11:33,560
Speaker 1: get there, just Doe, because they've been able to dominate

2744
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 1: the regular seasons kind of like patient Peyton Manning in

2745
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis coach used to be a great regular season team,

2746
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 1: great regular season team, m VP numbers, and then in

2747
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs they would, you know, they would come up short.

2748
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:44,920
Speaker 1: So that's why I think Milwaukee doesn't get the respect

2749
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:48,200
Speaker 1: they get because hell of a team. Jannice is a superstar,

2750
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:52,080
Speaker 1: but players know you gotta earn that in the playoffs straight,

2751
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:53,400
Speaker 1: all right, that's where you that's where you make your

2752
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 1: real money, that's where you make your name. So just

2753
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:57,520
Speaker 1: like we talked about these legendary guys in Hall of Fame,

2754
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:00,320
Speaker 1: which guys are thriving and wanted to be Like, what

2755
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 1: you're doing the regular season is admirable and it's it's

2756
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:09,000
Speaker 1: it's nice. But people a people are talking. Yes, they're

2757
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 1: talking about how much of a superstar you are in

2758
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:15,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs, whether you played four games or you played

2759
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:20,160
Speaker 1: for four rounds. Yeah you're going in four games? Bro,

2760
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,320
Speaker 1: you ain't you ain't. You ain't gonna get that respect.

2761
02:12:22,360 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna get that That that not you looking for.

2762
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:26,839
Speaker 1: But you can say, oh, because I score, you average

2763
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 1: twenty something the game, So what don't matter? Dogs come

2764
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:34,040
Speaker 1: out in regular season? Yeah? Who do you? Who do you?

2765
02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 1: Who do you feel like? Uh? Looking at had the

2766
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:44,240
Speaker 1: best chance to win the finals this year. I think, look,

2767
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,640
Speaker 1: you asked me this question or not you know that game.

2768
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to answer that question where you're

2769
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 1: still in the league. Bro. But Vince, no, goddamn one,

2770
02:12:53,320 --> 02:12:55,160
Speaker 1: they didn't have no shots, so he can still no,

2771
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:59,200
Speaker 1: we didn't have a shot. We Hey, they can give

2772
02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 1: us twenty games play. We can't make it, okay, so

2773
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:10,920
Speaker 1: we so we um I was I was trying to

2774
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:18,200
Speaker 1: spam man. I was trying to think career. I think

2775
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 1: Milwaukee got a legit shot in the East, and then

2776
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean you can go back and forth of the

2777
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 1: Lakers and the Clippers. Uh, that's must see TV. I

2778
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 1: hope if this season come back, I hope it comes

2779
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:37,680
Speaker 1: down to Lakers Clippers in the instead of an early

2780
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:40,000
Speaker 1: earlier I see, you know what I'm saying. I just

2781
02:13:40,360 --> 02:13:43,240
Speaker 1: I hope so, because that's that's what we need, you know.

2782
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 1: The East. I would like that. I honestly would like

2783
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:49,720
Speaker 1: to see uh Toronto or or or or Philly. I

2784
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:53,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know about Philly. Boston Young

2785
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:56,520
Speaker 1: Boston head in their stride right before this ship has stopped.

2786
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:58,680
Speaker 1: So it's that's the four teams in the East, like

2787
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, but I think Toronto, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee. I

2788
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 1: think Milwaukee still comes out of that. And uh, you know,

2789
02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 1: I still think the Western Conference gonna pull it off.

2790
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:13,400
Speaker 1: The Miami gonna surprised somebody. Then that's another square. That's

2791
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 1: that's the other squad of Miami. Something. Miami is tough.

2792
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:21,480
Speaker 1: But hey, this this, this, this off time is crucial

2793
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,960
Speaker 1: to to a young squad, a veteran squad. I like

2794
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 1: that because now they're rein a gibe. You know, had

2795
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 1: some time off, but it ain't it now like young

2796
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 1: guys like you know, young guys now they come up. Okay, yeah,

2797
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to lock back in and get ready,

2798
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:38,960
Speaker 1: but no, bro, it ain't you lock it back into

2799
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:42,120
Speaker 1: what they don't really know like these veterans too. So

2800
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:44,520
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna play a key role into the

2801
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,400
Speaker 1: second part of the season too, until when we get

2802
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 1: back to what did you think when you saw Donovan

2803
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell Honor and you were in your Raptor's jersey in

2804
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 1: the dunk contest? That was crazy, man, that was crazy.

2805
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:58,440
Speaker 1: Uh you know, uh, I don't watch it often, you know,

2806
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever said that I probably

2807
02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't watch the dunk contest often and and when

2808
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,040
Speaker 1: I heard but I was in the Bahamas when that

2809
02:15:05,080 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 1: when that happened, and I was walking around, and I

2810
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 1: heard the guys like, Hey, just that this guy because

2811
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:11,040
Speaker 1: he didn't know he was Scott got your jersey on

2812
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:13,040
Speaker 1: the dunk contest. So and I'll go up to and

2813
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:14,840
Speaker 1: look at And so I actually watched that. It was

2814
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:17,120
Speaker 1: pretty dope, you know what I'm saying, because you know,

2815
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:21,080
Speaker 1: I I'm on when people mentioned my name or or

2816
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:23,680
Speaker 1: or or or or show love like that. Bro, I'm

2817
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 1: definitely appreciative. Like I've been around for a long time,

2818
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:28,800
Speaker 1: but like these guys, I'm I'm so much older than

2819
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 1: these guys. And that just shows he's a historian of

2820
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:32,960
Speaker 1: the game. And you know, it was dope to see

2821
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,880
Speaker 1: he did. He showed love. And Terrence Ross actually did

2822
02:15:36,280 --> 02:15:39,000
Speaker 1: as well, Uh show some love. So that's that's that's

2823
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:40,800
Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. Who are your top five doctors

2824
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:45,480
Speaker 1: of all time? End game dunkers, top five top five

2825
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:50,520
Speaker 1: end game duckers of all time? You can put something

2826
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:57,720
Speaker 1: huh end game, end game, end game, end game. So

2827
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna give Dominique that Yeah, highlight film. Yeah. Uh,

2828
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,240
Speaker 1: dunkers in the league end game. Uh and see I'm

2829
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,920
Speaker 1: looking at it like I'm talking about not not just

2830
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:14,800
Speaker 1: dunking on people, talking about guys that that had that

2831
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:18,320
Speaker 1: some dunk contest dunks like who That's what I'm talking

2832
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,600
Speaker 1: about in the game, like that's you know, and you

2833
02:16:20,680 --> 02:16:24,120
Speaker 1: know it's hard to the name guys currently playing, you

2834
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:25,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So there's one of them that

2835
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 1: y'all probably can guess. You know what I'm saying. I say,

2836
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:31,440
Speaker 1: Josh Smith was out there doing something crazy. You know.

2837
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna give you one to go ahead,

2838
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:41,000
Speaker 1: stroke my swift who man and see and stroke out.

2839
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:44,560
Speaker 1: He wasn't out letting people. He was one step dunking

2840
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 1: on people and then gang bang and then throwing up.

2841
02:16:51,080 --> 02:16:54,920
Speaker 1: He was throwing that ship up after two. The young

2842
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:58,040
Speaker 1: Nick is dunking out the ball, bro It's just so

2843
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:04,680
Speaker 1: many people that yourself of course, all right, yeah, for sure,

2844
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 1: sure I was trying to do whatever, Like if you

2845
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 1: put me on the fast break and I had time

2846
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:12,279
Speaker 1: to think about it, I was gonna try to contest

2847
02:17:12,879 --> 02:17:15,680
Speaker 1: to me. You're you're you're the greatest in game. Dunker

2848
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:17,080
Speaker 1: of all time to me, and that's what it would

2849
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:18,880
Speaker 1: all due respect to other people, like you were the

2850
02:17:18,959 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 1: greatest in game dunkers whatever, But I wasn't afraid I

2851
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:29,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't camp on the break and on people. People couldn't

2852
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:32,120
Speaker 1: funk with you, bro, Yeah, that was my problem. That

2853
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:34,080
Speaker 1: was my only problem. Like, when I had a lot

2854
02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:35,600
Speaker 1: of time to think about it, you put me on

2855
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:38,240
Speaker 1: the break, and if I just gonna sound crazy when

2856
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:41,160
Speaker 1: I said so, my bad. So when I jumped into air,

2857
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:45,200
Speaker 1: initially I'm thinking I'm gonna do something like leaner or whatever,

2858
02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:47,760
Speaker 1: and I might end up get up there and be like, no,

2859
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win mill it just because you know, Jack,

2860
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:55,760
Speaker 1: imagine being able to think once you get up there,

2861
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:58,040
Speaker 1: Like we're thinking, Okay, I got the ball, I'm dribbling,

2862
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm at half court thinking about this nigd jumps. So

2863
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my mind twice, right, I'm trying to

2864
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:11,480
Speaker 1: My initial thoughts for Duncan, especially when I was younger,

2865
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:15,039
Speaker 1: never ended up being the actual dunk, uh, because sometimes

2866
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:17,360
Speaker 1: like there was a there was a dunk and I

2867
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:20,680
Speaker 1: played against the Chicago Bulls and I was on a

2868
02:18:20,720 --> 02:18:22,480
Speaker 1: fast break and I was going by myself. There's another

2869
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:24,360
Speaker 1: player running me down, so he jumped to trying to

2870
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:26,720
Speaker 1: jump over me. I end up going under him and

2871
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:31,040
Speaker 1: doing a one leg, one ft wind meal. But that

2872
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:34,600
Speaker 1: wasn't my initial plan on the dunk. You know, you know,

2873
02:18:34,680 --> 02:18:37,240
Speaker 1: you know what's funny before the show came out on Somebody,

2874
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:40,080
Speaker 1: it's on, It's on I g today. That's Dunky talking

2875
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:42,040
Speaker 1: about you on the fast breaking you go, you go

2876
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,080
Speaker 1: from my other side with one hand and one minute

2877
02:18:44,120 --> 02:18:46,120
Speaker 1: backwards like that. Yeah, it was like some I'm saying

2878
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:51,120
Speaker 1: I say so, it was more like, yeah, I was

2879
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:52,680
Speaker 1: playing it. I just played it by a year, bro,

2880
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:56,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, I when I said I'm gonna dunk,

2881
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dunkey, but I'm gonna see what you trying

2882
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:00,200
Speaker 1: to do, because like you said, you had to shop

2883
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,200
Speaker 1: blockers of the world, who's like, okay, I know they're

2884
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:04,280
Speaker 1: gonna jump, But then you had like the Darryl Armstrongs

2885
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 1: of the world was trying to Boy, I was dub

2886
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:13,560
Speaker 1: I was dumb. I remember catching a lot backwards on

2887
02:19:13,640 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 1: Black College and he's sitting in my chest and I'm

2888
02:19:15,640 --> 02:19:17,400
Speaker 1: dunking about back. It's like, bro, what's you doing, Man,

2889
02:19:19,480 --> 02:19:21,840
Speaker 1: I swear to guy, I lever forget that. So, I

2890
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 1: mean it just defends that's crazy. Toughest matchup for you.

2891
02:19:26,480 --> 02:19:28,480
Speaker 1: Who's that one opponent throughout your crew? Who was the

2892
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:31,560
Speaker 1: toughest matchup that toughest is tough to name one, but

2893
02:19:31,640 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna name one guy who people

2894
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,880
Speaker 1: probably never expects, free Will. And I say free Will

2895
02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:42,080
Speaker 1: because he didn't care and s free did not get tired. Yeah,

2896
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,440
Speaker 1: he had a motor. He did not get tired. Bro,

2897
02:19:44,560 --> 02:19:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't care what he was doing. So he was

2898
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:50,080
Speaker 1: one of the ones for when I first when I

2899
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:52,480
Speaker 1: first got in the league, Bro, I couldn't I could

2900
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:57,120
Speaker 1: not figure out Scottie Pippen bro in the hand checking

2901
02:19:57,160 --> 02:19:59,760
Speaker 1: in the hand checking there, like he was so crafty

2902
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 1: Martin quick with it, but like you run off screens,

2903
02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:04,320
Speaker 1: or he had tapping in your in your stomach while

2904
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 1: you're shooting, or just push your hip a little, you

2905
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 1: know all that stuff that used to be Yeah, man,

2906
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:11,160
Speaker 1: he had it all. I used to be like, ref

2907
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,400
Speaker 1: you don't see this, He's like and back then referees

2908
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 1: talk to you like, man, stop crying and play, Yeah,

2909
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:19,680
Speaker 1: stop crying to play. Like that's Joey Crawford, young Joey

2910
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:24,480
Speaker 1: Crawford or well you know the younger Joey Crawford. Yeah, bro,

2911
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:27,840
Speaker 1: he talked to you bad, like so him Bruce Bowing

2912
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:29,760
Speaker 1: in the beginning. And once I figure out Bruce, it

2913
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,880
Speaker 1: was it was nothing. But at first, like you know,

2914
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:36,760
Speaker 1: all the dirty tricks he had, uh uh shoot so

2915
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:40,280
Speaker 1: many Bruce played defense with his feet, with his feet, hands, knees.

2916
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:45,680
Speaker 1: You know. It's so many guys like like that, uh

2917
02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:49,240
Speaker 1: that you like y'all for sure, you know not that's

2918
02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:51,680
Speaker 1: that's not because y'all here, but like just playing against y'all,

2919
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,880
Speaker 1: because guys like that. I had to work and I

2920
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:57,280
Speaker 1: had to figure it out. Like it wasn't easy t

2921
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:02,200
Speaker 1: a yeah, you know in Boston, you know. So so

2922
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:05,960
Speaker 1: there's there's a bunch of guys, um man. It's like

2923
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:07,760
Speaker 1: that's just a few that I can name off offhand.

2924
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be mad later on because I'm gonna

2925
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:10,720
Speaker 1: thinking about this. I'm gonna text y'all and be like, bro,

2926
02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:15,080
Speaker 1: I forgot about somebody. But Spreetwell was a good call.

2927
02:21:15,160 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 1: Though Spreetwell was a mother. Yeah, I think I'm Yeah,

2928
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:20,440
Speaker 1: he's the first person I think of it. Is it

2929
02:21:20,879 --> 02:21:24,520
Speaker 1: Golden Station or Knicks free well for you? Right? Yeah,

2930
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:26,960
Speaker 1: Nick's free well. Bro, I had to heart that that

2931
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:30,040
Speaker 1: year they swept us. Man. Yeah, so two thousand three,

2932
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:32,920
Speaker 1: you're the leading vote getter in the league. Uh, MJ's

2933
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 1: last year. You decided to give MJ your starting spot.

2934
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:39,280
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that? Basically, yeah, I decided, But

2935
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:42,160
Speaker 1: it was it was it was encouraged by the league

2936
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,960
Speaker 1: that it was a good idea, you know, but by

2937
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:47,160
Speaker 1: the powers that be it was probably a good idea

2938
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,520
Speaker 1: that MJ starts in his last his last All Star game.

2939
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:52,200
Speaker 1: I ain't no food, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

2940
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:54,920
Speaker 1: I ain't no food. First of all, like we all

2941
02:21:54,959 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 1: look up the MJ and and he's a hero. And like, Bro,

2942
02:21:58,959 --> 02:22:01,480
Speaker 1: that that's that's a memory that nobody else can contend

2943
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:04,880
Speaker 1: talk about, like they can't be that can't be duplicated.

2944
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:06,800
Speaker 1: But I got a story, Like I could tell this

2945
02:22:06,879 --> 02:22:09,480
Speaker 1: story forever, Like you'd be like, oh man, nobody else

2946
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:12,000
Speaker 1: can say that. Like, and MJ wouldn't take the spot, Bro.

2947
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:14,560
Speaker 1: Like when they said it's probably good, I was like, Bro,

2948
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:16,880
Speaker 1: I was giving this is m J last year. Bro,

2949
02:22:17,160 --> 02:22:19,760
Speaker 1: And you're not starting, but I I got I got

2950
02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:22,400
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of do this again. This is you,

2951
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:24,880
Speaker 1: this is your time. MJ so and so I pulled

2952
02:22:24,879 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 1: them aside, but it was all day in the morning practice,

2953
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:29,880
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. I was like, m

2954
02:22:29,959 --> 02:22:32,080
Speaker 1: J bro, take no, no, no, you earned this whatever, alright,

2955
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:35,640
Speaker 1: cool about argue. So we get down there right before

2956
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:39,039
Speaker 1: we running out and said, m J bro to take

2957
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,400
Speaker 1: the spot. You're gonna start. Bro, I said, if you

2958
02:22:41,480 --> 02:22:43,080
Speaker 1: don't take the spot, I'm gonna stay in the back

2959
02:22:43,080 --> 02:22:47,560
Speaker 1: and I ain't gonna come out. It's not what I said.

2960
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:51,119
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not getting blackballed from the league because

2961
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:54,560
Speaker 1: you you're talking about just you know you earned it? Yeah, okay, cool,

2962
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:59,600
Speaker 1: I earned it. We know that, but you're starting. Before

2963
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:02,200
Speaker 1: right before they called him for the starting lineup, he

2964
02:23:02,280 --> 02:23:04,480
Speaker 1: still wouldn't go. You see it. The last minute is

2965
02:23:04,480 --> 02:23:07,080
Speaker 1: where he took it. If you see it, the last minute,

2966
02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:08,480
Speaker 1: he takes thirt and he go out there, but he

2967
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:10,600
Speaker 1: would not go. I was like, bro, please please just

2968
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:14,360
Speaker 1: go because I'm gonna walk to the back and I

2969
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 1: ain't happened. So he takes it, and it was like

2970
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I was like, man, thank god Bron because that's deal though,

2971
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:25,840
Speaker 1: because you got so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

2972
02:23:25,879 --> 02:23:27,800
Speaker 1: all good. But like I'm thinking there to say, I

2973
02:23:27,879 --> 02:23:30,920
Speaker 1: gave m his last start and then what happened that

2974
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:35,840
Speaker 1: fade away? Bro? He hit the right yea perfect man,

2975
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:38,240
Speaker 1: And I think the NBA messed up. Bro. I think

2976
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:40,279
Speaker 1: the NBA messed up. They're trying to be all technical

2977
02:23:40,360 --> 02:23:42,879
Speaker 1: and stuff. So m J, y'all might remember, Yeah, y'all

2978
02:23:42,879 --> 02:23:44,960
Speaker 1: definitely remb me up and around. MJ hit the fade

2979
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:47,480
Speaker 1: away and they called the time out. We're trying to

2980
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:51,080
Speaker 1: get the game stopped right there. Yeah, we're the game

2981
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:54,200
Speaker 1: should have been stopped right there. O't forget the one

2982
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:56,480
Speaker 1: point two seconds or two how many many seconds left?

2983
02:23:56,520 --> 02:23:59,200
Speaker 1: Forget all that, the game over the greatest of all

2984
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:04,360
Speaker 1: times just camped off his most famous shot, never in

2985
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:06,880
Speaker 1: the in the All Star Game. It should be old.

2986
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:09,280
Speaker 1: I think they dropped the ball in that. Any new

2987
02:24:09,320 --> 02:24:12,199
Speaker 1: hobby you've taken up since you've been in quarantine golf,

2988
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:17,600
Speaker 1: that's it, right, that's no call of duty. So I'm like, okay,

2989
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:19,880
Speaker 1: I'll say that. I will say that now. This first thing,

2990
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:23,000
Speaker 1: I pulled out the PS four because I had one

2991
02:24:23,360 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 1: PS four somewhere and I tried Call of Duty and

2992
02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I liked it. I'm guilty too, but I played ever

2993
02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:34,600
Speaker 1: so often, so I'll say I tried. I don't picked

2994
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:37,199
Speaker 1: up the Call of Duty. Trying to play video games again.

2995
02:24:37,320 --> 02:24:39,160
Speaker 1: The video I feel like it's giving me vertigo though,

2996
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,039
Speaker 1: I feel like Call of Duty is giving me vertigo.

2997
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:45,320
Speaker 1: PTSD all that, but everything is just off now because

2998
02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:48,000
Speaker 1: the screen be all up and down, and like many

2999
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you gotta think how video games started when

3000
02:24:53,879 --> 02:24:58,240
Speaker 1: we first started playing video games, like like graphic yeah,

3001
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:04,480
Speaker 1: right there. One Megabody was trash. Last movie you watched,

3002
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:06,960
Speaker 1: the Bad Boys movie, I haven't seen that. You have

3003
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:10,520
Speaker 1: the new Bad Boys, the new one, the one Yeah

3004
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:13,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty, It's it's called Yeah. I had to support

3005
02:25:13,560 --> 02:25:16,840
Speaker 1: in regardless. I was gonna support regardless type of music

3006
02:25:16,879 --> 02:25:18,160
Speaker 1: you poke with. What all did you poke with that?

3007
02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:19,880
Speaker 1: People would be surprised to hear that you listen to

3008
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm all over the place man, Being that I played

3009
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:24,480
Speaker 1: in music and I have a love for music, I

3010
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:28,080
Speaker 1: listened a little bit of everybody. Um. Mystical was a

3011
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:31,160
Speaker 1: I was a Mystical fan growing up, and then I

3012
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:35,640
Speaker 1: also was Wu Tang Fan. So I listened to woo

3013
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:39,240
Speaker 1: um now a little bit of everybody. I mean, I

3014
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:42,960
Speaker 1: give everybody a shot. I do. I mean, even if

3015
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:45,560
Speaker 1: if it ain't for me, I give everybody shot because,

3016
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:48,680
Speaker 1: like you said, some people like catchy catchy hooks is

3017
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:50,920
Speaker 1: is what it is now. You know, I'm a lyricist.

3018
02:25:50,959 --> 02:25:55,119
Speaker 1: I like lyrics. Who Who's who? Who's spitting some substance?

3019
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:58,120
Speaker 1: Yea who? You know what I'm saying. So that's where

3020
02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:01,119
Speaker 1: I am. But I give some guys. I give guys

3021
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:04,120
Speaker 1: a shot. You know what I'm saying. Kid, I still

3022
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:08,400
Speaker 1: listen to the baby right now is somebody I've been

3023
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:12,600
Speaker 1: listening to kind of catching You gotta get right, I

3024
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:15,000
Speaker 1: gotta get right. Rich some some love too, bro, because

3025
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:19,640
Speaker 1: he showed me some love, man, did he? Yeah? He

3026
02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:23,440
Speaker 1: put my name in the song man, Yeah, yeah, in

3027
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:25,320
Speaker 1: the riom. It's kind of yeah. I mean, I'm funny

3028
02:26:25,360 --> 02:26:31,879
Speaker 1: to three years old, funniest teammate you've ever had. Man,

3029
02:26:31,959 --> 02:26:35,400
Speaker 1: That's that's tough. That's tough. I had to dude my

3030
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:39,960
Speaker 1: name with Jabari Smith. I heard he was funny. Okay, okay,

3031
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:47,520
Speaker 1: you are not. I am, Bro, Oh my god, that

3032
02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:52,240
Speaker 1: might be what's the funniest character bro Like I had

3033
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:55,200
Speaker 1: him in Jersey, bro Like, he is funny is hell

3034
02:26:55,520 --> 02:27:00,640
Speaker 1: and you yeah, yeah, yeah, I got put him up there.

3035
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:04,320
Speaker 1: T A is funny, brod Like funny as hell. Man,

3036
02:27:04,400 --> 02:27:06,240
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I'm gonna stick with your bar. It's

3037
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:08,360
Speaker 1: so many bright it's over twenty two years. You you

3038
02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:11,280
Speaker 1: had a lot of teammates, a lot of Yeah, but

3039
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:13,280
Speaker 1: as soon as you say that, the first one that

3040
02:27:13,320 --> 02:27:15,119
Speaker 1: came to mind with the bar Smith, right, Yeah, that's

3041
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:20,879
Speaker 1: all the time. B best city to travel to for games,

3042
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:27,600
Speaker 1: the Garden. Let I've had some some some pretty special nights,

3043
02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:30,360
Speaker 1: and I've had some disappointed nights. But it's something about

3044
02:27:30,440 --> 02:27:34,400
Speaker 1: going into like the Garden. That's just it. It's history,

3045
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:38,160
Speaker 1: it's legendary. It's a lot of a lot of the

3046
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:40,840
Speaker 1: stars of stars have done some great stuff, some great

3047
02:27:40,879 --> 02:27:43,280
Speaker 1: things in there. So every time I walk in there,

3048
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:47,119
Speaker 1: I just I love it. That's what I mean. It's

3049
02:27:47,160 --> 02:27:49,760
Speaker 1: nothing better. They need to try to get that team right, man,

3050
02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:52,320
Speaker 1: because basketball is so much better. When the next irrelevant,

3051
02:27:52,480 --> 02:27:59,080
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely final question, historical sitdowns, whether it be taking shots,

3052
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:02,520
Speaker 1: having some cock hills, drinking wine, Who are five people,

3053
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:04,880
Speaker 1: not counting yourself. You'd want to have at the table

3054
02:28:05,000 --> 02:28:10,959
Speaker 1: anyone dead or alive for just a night a dope conversation. Um,

3055
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know VC technical man, he's

3056
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna break his brain trying to think about this. Man. Yeah,

3057
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:24,039
Speaker 1: I know you all right, give me I want Obama

3058
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:33,160
Speaker 1: give me uh Big and Poc both of them. Yep,

3059
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:39,120
Speaker 1: two more, give me. Give me Martin Lutheran, h the

3060
02:28:39,360 --> 02:28:46,240
Speaker 1: King and uh Dr j oh Julie. And I like

3061
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:49,720
Speaker 1: that he snuck that one. He snuck that in there.

3062
02:28:49,959 --> 02:28:51,640
Speaker 1: You gotta have some nice if you gotta have a

3063
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:58,800
Speaker 1: player at the table. So so Obama, Pock, Biggie, MLK, Julius, Irvin,

3064
02:28:58,879 --> 02:29:04,520
Speaker 1: and yourself. That's yeah, like that's this I mean, and

3065
02:29:04,600 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 1: I picked. I'm trying to pick people. That's like you,

3066
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:10,199
Speaker 1: You're talking about the entire room. We're talking about everything.

3067
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,840
Speaker 1: You can't anything you want to talk about. They can

3068
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:19,240
Speaker 1: hooping to smoke to music like you know, I want

3069
02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 1: to I'm I'm, I'm I want to learn a little bit.

3070
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys. I like to learn a

3071
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:24,880
Speaker 1: little bit about a lot of things. So if I

3072
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:27,400
Speaker 1: can't learn it all through that group, I ain't meant

3073
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:29,560
Speaker 1: to know it. And then Jack is right down the street.

3074
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Y'all can hit the strip cloud right after that dinner.

3075
02:29:31,959 --> 02:29:36,880
Speaker 1: What you said, Hey, Man, that's a rap man, Vince.

3076
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:40,400
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Man, it was an honor getting

3077
02:29:40,400 --> 02:29:43,480
Speaker 1: to play with you. Bro. If that was your final shot, man,

3078
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,040
Speaker 1: twenty two years, you held it down. You made a

3079
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of people proud, your legend, Hall of Famer. Fuck

3080
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:52,960
Speaker 1: anyone who don't like that. But we appreciate you, man.

3081
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,680
Speaker 1: We just want to let you know, Man, we appreciate

3082
02:29:54,680 --> 02:29:57,320
Speaker 1: your run. Brought twenty two years the longest career in

3083
02:29:57,520 --> 02:29:59,440
Speaker 1: NBA history. Man, that has a lot to do with men,

3084
02:29:59,560 --> 02:30:02,760
Speaker 1: just who you are as a person. And thank you. Man.

3085
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:04,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I've heard you say that before. Man,

3086
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh are you saying that? Man? It's

3087
02:30:08,440 --> 02:30:10,800
Speaker 1: been a pleasure, obviously battling both of you and knowing

3088
02:30:10,840 --> 02:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you guys for all these years and the support, so

3089
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been a pleasure. And thanks for

3090
02:30:15,560 --> 02:30:19,760
Speaker 1: having me on tournament and called tournament. I'm gonna come play.

3091
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:21,680
Speaker 1: Jack's gonna come drive my car. We're gonna be out

3092
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:24,959
Speaker 1: there just when you when you bring yours back. Let

3093
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:27,080
Speaker 1: me know, I mean no doubt, No doubt. Man, that's

3094
02:30:27,080 --> 02:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a wrap uh special edition with the one and only

3095
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:34,279
Speaker 1: Vince Carter. You can catch this on Showtime Basketball. YouTube

3096
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 1: are all platforms, streaming podcasts, all love them. It's something

3097
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:55,240
Speaker 1: about how this place forms a different kind of person.

3098
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,120
Speaker 1: On my high school team, we have five guys make

3099
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:11,080
Speaker 1: the NBA. We had the County Rock you mentioned prend

3100
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Short dis County. People know it's about it's the meta

3101
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:17,520
Speaker 1: of basketball. There are those who come before us, upon

3102
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,400
Speaker 1: whose shoulders we stand here for this area. You have

3103
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:23,040
Speaker 1: to have tough scares. The gym became the thank you

3104
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:33,640
Speaker 1: p G. County guys provide buckets for America Press. Georgia

3105
02:31:33,800 --> 02:31:38,520
Speaker 1: packs a lot of power, a lot of character. It's

3106
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:41,200
Speaker 1: nothing that you can do to stop that competitive and

3107
02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:47,040
Speaker 1: we're pushing the community and a culture for there's just

3108
02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:54,119
Speaker 1: in the water. This life was all I ever wanted.

3109
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:00,959
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping you can

3110
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:04,080
Speaker 1: say that we gotta hit the streets, make some money.

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