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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Spirit Daughter Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jill Winterestin aka Spirit Daughter, and today I am

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Speaker 1: talking with astrologer, terror reader, and psychic medium Megan Rose.

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Speaker 1: This is such a fun conversation. We dive deep into

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Speaker 1: her scorpios stellium and we understand why depth is part

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Speaker 1: of her soul's existence. She's here to transform and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for you to hear this one.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Megan.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Spirit Daughter Podcast. Meghan, I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to have you here to get into a nice,

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Speaker 1: deep astrological discussion. It's rare that I talk to another astrologer,

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Speaker 1: so I mean that's the Leo in me, but I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to do that over the next sixty.

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Speaker 2: Minutes or so. So welcome to the podcast. Than guys.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jill.

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Speaker 4: It's always a gift to be able to speak the

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Speaker 4: same astrological language as somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: When I first looked at your chart, I was like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of scorpio And it kind of makes

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Speaker 1: sense because I remember first meeting you and thinking like

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Speaker 1: is she a scorpio? And you know, and then I

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Speaker 1: found out you're actually a Virgo sun sign, and that

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Speaker 1: also tracks now that I know you. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like you actually have to get to know that part

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Speaker 1: of you, like your Scorpio.

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Speaker 2: Even though your tar is rising.

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Speaker 1: You know you have your your son in Virgo, your

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Speaker 1: scorpio Stellium, she has five placements in Scorpio. Everyone just

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Speaker 1: screams through the screen everywhere. It just exudes from you

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Speaker 1: in a great way. But I was like blown away

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Speaker 1: by that much scorpio.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it gets intense over here.

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Speaker 4: I kind of joke with people, especially we recently had

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Speaker 4: a full moon in Scorpio and I felt like everybody

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Speaker 4: in my life was texting me like what is going on?

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Speaker 4: I feel haywire, like nothing is making sense. I feel

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Speaker 4: like I'm gonna break down and cry, and I'm like, babe,

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Speaker 4: welcome to my everyday world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very intense, especially with that moon and twenty

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Speaker 1: nine degrees conjunct Pluto at twenty five. I like looked

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Speaker 1: at this and my Leo Stelliam was like, do you

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Speaker 1: need to go out dancing?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Do I need? Do you need a party of it?

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Speaker 4: Like just looking at my part is intense. No, Honestly,

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Speaker 4: I tell people all the time, like the meme of

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Speaker 4: like who's the black cat, who's the Golden Retriever and

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Speaker 4: all of your relationships, and I'm like, I'm black cat. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: eleven out of ten times. Yeah, like that's my role

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Speaker 4: yeah forever in this life and every other one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah I am. I am not I'm probably the

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Speaker 2: golden retriever.

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Speaker 3: That's why we get along. I like balance each other out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. But get into your chart.

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Speaker 2: You obviously know.

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Speaker 1: My first question most people is like how much do

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Speaker 1: you know about your chart? You obviously know a ton

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Speaker 1: about your chart. But we'll get into it. And we're

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Speaker 1: using placidus everyone. I asked because some astrologers are whole

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Speaker 1: sign astrologers, but Megan and I are both placidus astrologers,

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Speaker 1: so that means for most people. Usually what that means

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Speaker 1: is they'll have two signs, governing a house or connecting

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Speaker 1: with a house. I like to use connecting because I

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Speaker 1: feel like it just reads better. And when we say

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Speaker 1: like governed, it means like ruling, And then people are like,

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Speaker 1: can't there only be one sign ruling a house?

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Speaker 2: And it's like no.

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Speaker 1: Most of us, if we're using Placidus have two signs

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Speaker 1: sometimes three, even connecting with a house. And where that

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Speaker 1: really matters is when we're looking at the current sky.

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Speaker 2: So when we're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Where the moon is for a new moon or full moon,

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Speaker 1: you know, we want to know exactly the degree and

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Speaker 1: the exact house that falls in, so we'll get we'll

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Speaker 1: get right into it. So we have a charist right here,

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Speaker 1: and you have your south node though in Tarus, and

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Speaker 1: so I always one of the first things I look at.

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Speaker 1: I know we always talk about the Big three on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, Sunrising Moon. I also love to look at

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Speaker 1: the nodes. I have a deep fascination with the lunar

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Speaker 1: nodes because I think they just show us our life

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Speaker 1: path and they show us who we were in a

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Speaker 1: previous life, what we came into this world knowing having

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Speaker 1: as our comfort zone, what we're attached to, our shadows,

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Speaker 1: like anytime we're doing shadow work, which Scorpios love shadow work,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at the south node, and so you have

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Speaker 1: a south node that is in your first house, and

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Speaker 1: then you have your north node and scorpio with four

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Speaker 1: other placements and your seventh House, so you're really walking

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Speaker 1: from tarus into complexity. So your whole life path is

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Speaker 1: geared to go deeper and deeper and deeper and more

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Speaker 1: complex and more complex.

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Speaker 2: Specifically with the other.

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Speaker 1: And I find that fascinating that all this depth in Scorpio,

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Speaker 1: where your soul is headed, the direction you're here to

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Speaker 1: walk is in the seventh house, so it's in partnership,

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Speaker 1: it's with another, and so I would love to know

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Speaker 1: from you how that really shows up in your life,

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Speaker 1: to have not just your North note in Scorpio, but

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Speaker 1: also your Moon, your Pluto, your Jupiter, all in the

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Speaker 1: seventh house, and then you have your Venus right on

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Speaker 1: the descendant in the sixth also in Scorpio, so you're

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Speaker 1: reaching for that venus. Our descendants opposite are ascendant, and

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Speaker 1: so it always feels just out of reach. And I

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Speaker 1: would love to know how this all shows up for

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Speaker 1: you and how you navigate that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you broke it down perfectly, Jill. I

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Speaker 4: feel like so much of this starts from conception to

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Speaker 4: my early childhood age. My parents tried conceiving for over

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Speaker 4: eighteen months before I was conceived, and I'm a huge

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Speaker 4: believer in the south node playing a part in your

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Speaker 4: like in utero experience as well. My mom and I

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Speaker 4: have this kind of funky karmic thing with one another

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Speaker 4: where I'm a virgo son with a tourus rising and

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Speaker 4: she's a tourist son with a Virgo rising.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, So I.

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Speaker 4: Feel like that kind of like, yes, the comfort zone,

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Speaker 4: but also the familiarity with Torian energy for me started

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Speaker 4: comfort of being alone or in isolation with my South

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Speaker 4: node in the first really starts tracking. But the moment

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Speaker 4: that I got to I mean, I say, like an

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Speaker 4: appropriate dating age. But now in twenty twenty six, it's

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Speaker 4: just like looking back on all of this, I'm like

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Speaker 4: or rewriting everything. But I started getting into back to back,

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Speaker 4: didn't really break that cycle until I got into my

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Speaker 4: note a loop pison. So I had taken a year

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Speaker 4: meeting a partner that I was engaged to for a

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Speaker 4: period of time when I was in my notle opposition.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like this.

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Speaker 4: Dance between the familiarity of being alone or being in

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Speaker 4: very kind of surface level emotionally unavailable connections is where

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Speaker 4: my south note in Taurus translates so on the nose

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Speaker 4: out of my chart. And like you said, with that

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Speaker 4: house in Scorpio as well, it's like that feeling of

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Speaker 4: being able to go so deep and feel like all

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Speaker 4: of the good, bad, ugly and in between is not

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Speaker 4: only a part of the relationship but accepted and appreciated

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Speaker 4: has absolutely felt like it's just out of reach for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm in no way, shape or form disappointed by being

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Speaker 4: single at this point in my life. Or like you know,

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Speaker 4: I am a huge proponent of saying like wait until

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Speaker 4: post Saturn.

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Speaker 3: Returning to get married if you have that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so I mentioned like I got engaged, but I

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Speaker 4: am no longer engaged, And I think all of it

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Speaker 4: worked out perfectly, as much as it was messy and

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Speaker 4: it was raw and it was ugly at times, like

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Speaker 4: my journey of partnership and striving to find someone, and

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Speaker 4: not even just romantically, but like any relationships where I

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Speaker 4: can connect with other people and go deep.

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Speaker 3: I'm just not willing to settle.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where my north note and Scorpio

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Speaker 4: really and so with it sitting in my seventh.

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Speaker 1: I actually when I see this much in the seventh house,

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Speaker 1: but really, when I see all of these placements in

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Speaker 1: in your seventh house, don't you don't want to? You

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Speaker 1: end up in deep relationships, long term relationships, maybe even

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Speaker 1: getting engaged before you're sat in return.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with.

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Speaker 1: You, if we can, we should all wait to get

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Speaker 1: married until after our Satin return. Speaking of our experience,

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Speaker 1: my first marriage was well, I was. I had just

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Speaker 1: turned thirty, so I was right there. I literally two

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Speaker 3: So it's like the failed first try club, I swear too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I do find that people this much energy and

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Speaker 1: They're seeking a partner from a very early age, and

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Speaker 1: work out. Some do if they're lucky. But then my

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Speaker 2: I get to know who you are, what you like.

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Speaker 1: Because when we're in a long term, committed relationship, we

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Speaker 1: end up merging, and sometimes it can actually stop our

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Speaker 1: somebody else that that person doesn't recognize, or we actually

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Speaker 1: like suppress our true tendencies for this relationship. And so

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Speaker 1: I think anybody who has this much in their seventh

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Speaker 2: Year two years, three years, four years alone and like

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean you can't have flings, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean I have a lee ostellium, so I'm all like,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with the flanings, like have fun, have lots

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Speaker 4: Yes, And my scorpio stellium is just like girl, like

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have urges regardless of whether or not I'm

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Speaker 4: in a partnership. But it's almost like when especially looking

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Speaker 4: at my own chart or seeing anybody else's chart, where

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Speaker 4: there's a house Stellium. It's kind of like musical chairs

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Speaker 4: where it's like that chair is already occupied, so bringing

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Speaker 4: somebody else in it's like my seventh host Meellium's like no, babe,

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Speaker 4: Like we're fine, we don't need somebody else sitting on

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Speaker 3: Like we have this seat covered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, I like that. But you have

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Speaker 1: it that you have it covered, yeah yeah, and you do.

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Speaker 1: And so spend some time alone, right, get to know yourself,

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Speaker 1: have fun, have your flings.

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Speaker 2: Right you're in Rome. I mean that sounds like fun.

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Speaker 4: It's fun, just full of pasta and wine and all

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Speaker 4: of the other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pleasure, yeah and that like and like I said

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Speaker 1: when I was looking at your chart, because there's a

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Speaker 1: I've often looked at that I feel at home in LA,

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Speaker 1: So but if you, if everybody listening, if you've never

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that my parents, my poor parents

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Speaker 3: So like being born on those lines and.

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Speaker 4: Having so much focus on like I was an A

440
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: plus student, put myself through college, worked a full time

441
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 4: job while I went to school full time, still got

442
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: a four point zero, like I was in my Capricorn.

443
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: And I thought when I was living back where I

444
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: was born under those lines, that it was like, this

445
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: is my only option.

446
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: And then I moved to LA and I was like.

447
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: Oh, my actual interests and my actual passions matter so

448
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 4: much more than perceived success.

449
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And that Neptune right there. Usually

450
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: when I see Neptune right here on the mid Heaven,

451
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: they're usually like an artist of some type, like a

452
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: singer songwriter or something of that nature. But I think

453
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: that that creativity and that visionary and that imagination comes

454
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: out in the spiritual work you do, which you're highly

455
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: committed to. Because of that, Saturn and Pisces, that that

456
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: commitment to spirituality another replacement that says you're probably not

457
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: going to be in finance or.

458
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: Work on a whole street.

459
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: So Saturn and Pisces is like, you are committed to

460
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: the spiritual, You're committed to the mystical.

461
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: You're committed to understanding the.

462
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Bigger things of the universe, and it's in your eleventh house,

463
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: so you're here to bring them to the community in

464
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: a larger way. And I think that's really interesting because

465
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: your seventh house, Stellium, really speaks to depth in one

466
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: on one partnerships, and that also includes like one on

467
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: one client relationships, like the people who you give sessions to.

468
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: I think I've never had a session from you, but

469
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I can see from your chart you're probably amazing because

470
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: you can go deep and you actually can hold things

471
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: that other people can, Like nothing in anybody's psyche scares you.

472
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure that people could tell you, like the deepest,

473
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: darkest secrets that they've never told anybody, and you would

474
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: just hold them with compassion and care.

475
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: And be able to truly, truly hold them, not just

476
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: be like, oh, let's yeah, let's talk about that.

477
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, No, You're going to like sit in reverence

478
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: for their journey and like honor them and be able

479
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: to like go deep and even deeper with them so

480
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: they get to that understanding. This Saturn, though in Pisces

481
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: in the eleventh House, is a challenge. I see it

482
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: as a challenge in a way, and a good challenge

483
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: that says, Okay, how can you bring that depth that

484
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: you go into and you're one on one relationships with

485
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: people to a larger community eleventh house, right, And how

486
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: can you have boundaries there so that you don't feel

487
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: drained or burnt out?

488
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 4: Right?

489
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: Because when we see Saturn and Pisces in the eleventh

490
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you're meant to bring some of these

491
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: large universal topics to the community, but you need boundaries

492
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: with it, or else you'll end up depleted. You'll end

493
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: up taking on too much of other people's energy, and

494
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, the empathic nature of all of your water

495
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: placements will come out. And so it's I see it

496
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: as a journey, like when I saw this Saturn and eleventh,

497
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, she's got a journey here to like

498
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: bring all of this depth and all this knowledge that

499
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: she can go in these one on one sessions with

500
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: people to a larger community with proper boundaries that you

501
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: don't end up feeling resentful or burnt out or like

502
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: you can't tell who is who and what is what?

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: Is this mine?

504
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: Is this theirs?

505
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 2: And so like, how does that show up in the

506
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: work you do?

507
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's funny to me, Jill, because it goes

508
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 4: back to the initial conversation that we had about the

509
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: nodes and how much they play a part in our life.

510
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: Staff And right now as we're recording this, we have

511
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 4: the North Node in Pisces and it's.

512
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: Lighting that same house that my saturn is in.

513
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: And this truly was, as much as it was such

514
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: an incredibly challenging period of time, and also just coming

515
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: off of having my saturn return, this was the first

516
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: time that I started getting opportunities and almost like epiphanic

517
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: like subconscious expansion where I was like, I can't do

518
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: the one on one forever and get my life's purpose met.

519
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: So I just I guess this is kind of my

520
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: announcement I'm in the process of writing my first book.

521
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: I got signed to major publisher back in the States.

522
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: So congratulations, that's amazing.

523
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: Thank you.

524
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: That's being submitted this year, working on a larger project

525
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: with an app developer, and then also found my way

526
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: onto Substack, where I started building a subscription based community

527
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: that's being enjoyed online virtually from wherever in the world.

528
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: And that was really so much more of where I

529
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: wanted to start walking my talk, where it's like I

530
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: was resonating a lot with very deep people who had

531
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: very deep traumatic wounds, who ultimately wanted a better life

532
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: for themselves.

533
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: And in a way, it was like looking in a.

534
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: Mirror every time that I would have these one on

535
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: one sessions. But it gets to a point where it's

536
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: like you don't just want to stare in the mirror.

537
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: You want to be able to get out and enjoy

538
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: the life that you're living with the being that you're

539
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: seeing in the mirror. So my move to Italy and

540
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: then all of these opportunities that have allowed for scaling

541
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: and expansion of my work to more than just one

542
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: person for an hour at a time has been the

543
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: most transformational experience and really does make me feel like

544
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: I'm finally walking in my life's path and purpose and

545
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: hopefully giving and touching and reaching the people that actually

546
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 4: need me rather than solely the people who can invest

547
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: in the one on one work.

548
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it's interesting that you're talking about writing

549
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: as a natural boundary. When I first started Spirit Daughter,

550
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I have my north note in Virgo, So boundaries obviously

551
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: are a life lesson for me with a south note

552
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: and Pisces and a north note and Virgo. Like, I'm

553
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 1: here to kind of understand how to take all of

554
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: this fluid knowledge has no boundaries and like put it

555
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: in tight meat little boxes, which were the workbooks. Like

556
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: when I started writing the work books, I was like, oh,

557
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: I understand my notle path. I get this now. Before

558
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of like is it this isn't that?

559
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: But in any event, I found that like writing like

560
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about, is a way to bring knowledge to

561
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: the community on a much larger scale with boundaries. Right,

562
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: That act of writing is the boundary itself. Right, the

563
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: fact that it's you speaking on a stage, for instance,

564
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: since you're writing a book that people are going to read,

565
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: and so I think that is just a great way

566
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: and I found from my own experience, which my journey

567
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: with Spirit Daughter is kind of the reverse of what

568
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I started with highly scalable products that

569
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: served a very very very large community, and I almost

570
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: never did one on one work. And now, particularly with

571
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: the podcast, it's kind of a blend because it's like

572
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: a one on one reading with somebody where sometimes we

573
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: go really really deep, yet it is broadcasted, so it

574
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: serves like a larger community.

575
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: But and with my stuff, it was my nodal opposition

576
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: that finally got me to start using social media, which

577
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: I account heavily over to the eleventh House. And I

578
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: love now for you with this period of time being

579
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: nodal opposition time where it's like you start to see

580
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: those shifts in the world that you've done things into

581
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: the ways that you could.

582
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: Be doing things. Yeah, which is why.

583
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: I love those periods of time, like there's such wake

584
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: up calls to the monotony of the familiarity that we've created.

585
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so fascinating. We've talked a lot about

587
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I call them reverse nodal returns, the nodal opposition.

588
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: So many people come to me for a chart reading.

589
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Even just outside of this podcast during either a nodal

590
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: return or reversal return. Like it's such a pattern where

591
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: I think even the first like five guests that we

592
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: had on this podcast, I was like, Oh, you're in

593
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: a nodal return. Oh you're a reversal return. I'm like,

594
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: this is basically a podcast about nodal returns at the end.

595
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Unintentionally, but I just find.

596
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: There's so important periods, and you know, I'm coming towards

597
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the end of my reversonal return, which will end, you know,

598
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: in July when the notes shift into Leon and Aquarius,

599
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and that'll bring a whole new bag of things because

600
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: I have four placements in Leo, so that's going to

601
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: be really interesting in the South note.

602
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: Kisses them all. But so I'm ending that.

603
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: And I will say, like the last fifteen months or

604
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: so have just been so life changing with the launch

605
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: of my book, with the launch of this podcast, and

606
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: I really have felt the reverse nodal return, which I

607
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: find actually brings a little less drama than a true

608
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: nodal return. And so it's like you get all the

609
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: benefits of like the quantum leap on your karma path

610
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: without a ton of drama. So that's how I've always

611
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: felt them. I don't know if you agree. And I

612
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: actually like a reverse nodal return better than a nodal return.

613
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: No, totally.

614
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 4: I kind of tend to joke around. I'm an ex

615
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: theater kid, so I always talk about the nodal opposition

616
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: as like the time where you're testing the playout versus

617
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: like opening night being more of the nodal return. There's

618
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: so much less stress and pressure. It's almost like a checkpoint.

619
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: And I feel like it's a really great opportunity for

620
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: people to understand with grace and compassion, like where have

621
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: I been veering off track? And can I start to

622
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: honor the fact that when I'm quote unquote off tracked,

623
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: it's really just an ebb and a flow and your

624
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 4: ability to ride the highs and the lows. Yeah, much

625
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: more of a checkpoint than the opening night.

626
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick break. I'd love

627
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: to talk to about Jupiter and Leo, and so obviously

628
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: as a Leo and I have.

629
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Jupiter and Leo.

630
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm super excited about Jupiter entering Leo and.

631
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: Me.

632
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: It's so fun.

633
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: It's so fun. I can't wait. But looking at your chart,

634
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that. I'm like, oh wow, Jupiter is going

635
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: to square all of these scorpio placements for you. And

636
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: speaking as a Leo, like I celebrated when Uranus went

637
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: into Gemini and left Haarus because when Uranus wasn't Taurus,

638
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: it squared all my placements in Leo and I have

639
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: four placements in Leo, and I felt that, like I've

640
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: felt those squares like deep into my soul, and so

641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive to these squares right now. And so

642
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Jupiter and Leo and I'm like, oh, yeah,

643
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: how is she going to navigate? When Jupiter right off

644
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: the bat is going to square your Venus and then

645
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: it's going to square your Jupiter, and then it's going

646
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: to touch your you know, square.

647
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: Your north note.

648
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: And I think Jupiter is a much more lovely square

649
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: than Uranus, like the Uranas square. It's just like, okay,

650
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: we're we're going deep. We're breaking some things. There's some friction,

651
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Like it was painful, to be honest, and I kept

652
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: being like, what is going on?

653
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: What is happening?

654
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: And then I'd be like, oh right, yeah, Uranus is

655
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: scoring my Jupiter right now, so you know, for you

656
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Jupiter is going to square all of these placements, and

657
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I think it will be a lot softer, it won't

658
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: feel so tense compared to Urana square, but still, I mean,

659
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: it's going to square your Pluto, it's going to square

660
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: your Moon.

661
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: So do you have a plan for that? Have you

662
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: thought about that?

663
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: Now it starts off and my fourth transitions into my fifth,

664
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm definitely in the throws right now of kind of

665
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: breaking away from patterned familial ideologies and recognizing my role

666
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 4: in my family lineage to kind of self prioritize, listen

667
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 4: to my own inner voice, follow my own path obviously,

668
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 4: like quite literally but also figuratively. And then it's also

669
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: kind of making this kind of shift motion with the

670
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: south note entering into Leo as well, where I'm like,

671
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: this is really going to be a long period of

672
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: time for me to sit with the way that I

673
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: was raised, my idea of sense and safety, but then

674
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: also starting up at the end of the summer, like

675
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 4: activating how I can enjoy my life and play in

676
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: pleasure and my sexual expression and my creative hobbies and

677
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: all of these things at the same time, which to

678
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: me feels I mean like young and Freud were famous

679
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: and famed for their work for a reason, Like I

680
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: think that those things are so deeply interwoven. And I

681
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: guess when you ask if I have a plan, my

682
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: only plan is just to like let my inner child

683
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: run the show.

684
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Like I cut.

685
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: Myself off from so many of my hobbies that are

686
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 4: really young age due to rejection and bullying, like raised

687
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: at the period of time where like having red hair

688
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: meant that you were soulless, and like being in theater

689
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: meant that you were Like I mean, I grew up

690
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: in New England, so we were always like two hundred

691
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: and fifty years behind everybody else, but it meant like

692
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: so much about yourself outside of who you actually were.

693
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: And I think rediscovering the fact that, like I can

694
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: use social media as a stage, and like I've always

695
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: loved poetry and writing since I was very young. I

696
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: used to like compete in poetry contests and write my

697
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 4: own poems as a very young kid, So like rediscovering

698
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: that as an adult, and also, like you were saying,

699
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: like letting myself having fun without needing to be tied

700
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: down and realizing that my true actual dream partnership would

701
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: not have any sort of power dynamics.

702
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Or control involved with them.

703
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: So for anybody that knew me back when I was

704
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: dating men twice my age, I've healed.

705
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: I went to therapy.

706
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: That's such a Scorpio in the Seventh House. I have

707
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: to say, like so many people I talked to Scorpio

708
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in the seventh House, they end up. I'm always like,

709
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: did you date the bad boy who rides the motorcycle

710
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: and had tattoos at a young age and he was

711
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: like in his twenties and you were a teenager.

712
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: And everybody's like, yes, yes, I did.

713
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

714
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: My mom literally had to sign off on my twenty

715
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: one year old boyfriend going to prom with me when

716
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: I was sixteen because he could have brought alcohol there.

717
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: And I'm just like what wow, wow, But.

718
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: That's astrology like playing out.

719
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, we can deny the pattern of it all,

720
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: or we can kind of laugh and learn and like

721
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 4: use it as a language.

722
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it as a tool. I

723
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: mean I'm always looking at it as a framework, not

724
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: as like this is what you're destined, like we all

725
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: have free.

726
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: Will, but you know, it's a tool.

727
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: It's a tool, and so yeah, I think especially when

728
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Jupiter gets into your fifth house, like have fun, like

729
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: enjoy life, you know, and as it squares these you know,

730
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: placements and Scorpio, like have fun with them and let

731
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: it bring up things, you know, within the realm of partnership,

732
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: within the realm of the other while staying you know,

733
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: true to who you are, and let it show you

734
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: how to have fun, like even in your one on

735
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: one relationships, but.

736
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: Like keeping them light.

737
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: And I would highly suggest to if you don't want

738
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: to have a baby, be very careful because I have

739
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: found so many people that when Jupiter's transitting their fifth house,

740
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: they have a baby. And so if that's not in

741
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: your cards or you don't want that in your cards,

742
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: then just be aware of that.

743
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: So oh my god, I feel like we're going to

744
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: listen back on this episode at some point and it's

745
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 4: going to be like the seeds were sown as a

746
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 4: form of manifestation. I was just out in Tuscan, me

747
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 4: with three of my close girlfriends for an overnight trip

748
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: and I looked at them and I was like, would

749
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: you guys communally raise my baby with me if I

750
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: had a baby, And they all immediately.

751
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: Know pause were like yes, absolutely worthy.

752
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they don't want to have babies themselves, and

753
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 4: most of them are around ten years older than me, which,

754
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: again with the heavy Capricorn and Scorpio placements for me,

755
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 4: has always.

756
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: Kind of been my thing. But I'm an only child.

757
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 4: So part of the like bullying and getting laid into

758
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: when I was younger, it was this group of girls

759
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: that I went to school with, and it was like

760
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: they knew the subconscious things to hit and one of

761
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: my big insecurities was being an only child, and they

762
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: would be like, isn't it weird that you're never gonna

763
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 4: have aunts or uncles for your kids? Isn't it weird

764
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: that your kids won't ever have cousins? Like just wildly

765
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 4: like also psychologically.

766
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 3: Like no chosen family is a thing.

767
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Well also like I'm an old child and I married

768
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: a man who's one of four, and so my kids

769
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: have aunts and uncles and they have eight cousins.

770
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: So not true.

771
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 4: Okay, you're also an expander for me in that way

772
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: because I've said that, like I've always said, I see

773
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: myself eventually after I'm done with all of the craziness

774
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: of this seventh House Stellium and dating whoever, you know,

775
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 4: whenever that I would end up with a man who

776
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: came from a very large family and we would have

777
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: not only his family to rely on, but my chosen

778
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: family network to rely on.

779
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: And as much as it doesn't really make sense.

780
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: Now when I look at my chart in these trends

781
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: it's coming up, I'm like, it's beyond my human comprehension,

782
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: but I do see having my first child during that time,

783
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: falling in love with that allows me to make lightness

784
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: out of the darkness that I've been through and really

785
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 4: transmuting any of the familial issues that I.

786
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: Grew up around.

787
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and give me the opportunity to build a family

788
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 4: dynamic that is so rooted in open communication and everybody

789
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: feeling seen and heard and connecting with the world and

790
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: not feeling afraid to express yourself like all of the

791
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: Fifth House Chiron stuff where I agree with you and

792
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: I call it the wounded Healer, but I think that

793
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: placement in somebody's chart is such an indicator of where

794
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: you can do further wounding to yourself or finally deeply

795
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 4: healed in a way that you've not experienced.

796
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: Or proth to that, And that is my hope exactly.

797
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: And now a quick word from our wonderful sponsors. Sometimes

798
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: we have to, like, you know, deep in the wound

799
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: to heal it from its root. And I find that

800
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: happens a lot with Chirn especially. You know, Jupiter's going

801
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: to touch Chiron in twenty twenty seven for you, and

802
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: so when it shifts into Virgo and so that'll be interesting,

803
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: and then it'll hit your son and then eventually Jupiter

804
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: will get to all of these scorpio placements. And I'm like, hmm,

805
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: that might be the time that you really find your

806
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: true soulmate.

807
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: You've got time. I'm here to tell you you have time.

808
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, you have plenty of time, and anybody

809
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: listening plenty of time. You know, get through your sat

810
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: in return, have some fun, get through you know, a

811
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: few few of.

812
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: These Jupiter transiting your fifth house.

813
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the next time it comes around that

814
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: will bring, that will bring the family. But I hear

815
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: you with the only with the only child, and I

816
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: will say that my you know, I'm on my second marriage.

817
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: My first marriage was also to a man who was

818
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: one of four, and so I think that the only

819
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: child part of me really sought out and the two men,

820
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: by the way, I have very.

821
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Very little in common other than that, Like, I just.

822
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: Want everybody to know that I did heal, and.

823
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: I did I did heal.

824
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: And that's actually the subject of my book, or part

825
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: of my book is healing from my first marriage and

826
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: then getting into my second marriage. My second marriage is

827
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: also to a fellow Leo, which actually worked out really

828
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: well for me, I know a lot of it.

829
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we have a Leo. Our first son

830
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: is Leo, I know.

831
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: And then my second son is a cancer and he

832
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: has a Leo moon and a Leo rising, and so

833
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: we're just like the House of Leo, Like we couldn't

834
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: even get away with it if we tried.

835
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: So that's like.

836
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: A luminary house as well, Like I love your cancer baby,

837
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 4: just being like and I'm the reflector for all of this.

838
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: So yet, Yeah, when he was you know, he's kind

839
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: of grown out of it. But when he was like two,

840
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: he was obsessed with being a firefighter, Like that's all

841
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: he wanted to do was be a firefighter. And and

842
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, because he lives with a bunch

843
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: of Leos.

844
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: He's the water. He just wants to put us all out.

845
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: My whole existence is being the water around a bunch

846
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: of flames, Like of course that's what I wanted out.

847
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: Like he knew it from the age too, Yeah yeah, yeah.

848
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: So but I will say that was one of my worries,

849
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: and not because I was bullied, but even growing up,

850
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, are my kid's gonna have aunts and

851
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: uncles and cousins? Because I had really great aunts who

852
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: I loved, And I had my cousins because I was

853
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: the only child, were like my sisters and still are

854
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: to this day. Like my one cousin, she's like my sister,

855
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Like I call her my sister, her daughter I call

856
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: my niece, you know. And so I was so close

857
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: to them, and so it does give me great comfort

858
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: that my kids have aunts and uncles and they do

859
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: have cousins, and so it is possible as an only

860
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: child to have that.

861
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to heal some of this early wound that

862
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 2: you had, Thank you, Jill Well.

863
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: And it's funny too to me, like as you were

864
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 4: talking about, like everybody can take a little bit of

865
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 4: this and like realize that you're not in a rush.

866
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there having this wake up moment right now

867
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: where it's like confusing to.

868
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: Me as a society.

869
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: Why like we have the tradition of getting married and

870
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: then having kids if Jupiter is chronologically always going to

871
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: hit your fifth before you're seven, right, and like I'm

872
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 4: sitting here being like no, like you expand your family

873
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: and like do all these things. It's in your own time,

874
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: and your family is the family.

875
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: That you choose.

876
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just love how my chart has kind

877
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: of played that out where it's like anybody including like

878
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: my baby cousin is like my sister. We have that

879
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: same relationship and bond. But I have so many girls

880
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: friends that are that way with me too, where I'm like,

881
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: if you can meet my scorpionic seventh depth and like

882
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 4: be able to laugh about really heavy things with me,

883
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: like you're going the long haul with me, like you

884
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 4: will be.

885
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. The aunts and uncles to my kids, yes.

886
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and that's right, it's your chosen family. Like

887
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: my best friend she's Aunt Alie, you know. Our other

888
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: best friend is Uncle Ryan, you know. And so that's

889
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: just the way it is, and that's what happens. And

890
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are in la like my kids

891
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: actual aunts and uncles don't live in LA so you know,

892
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: they have their aunt Allie and their uncle Ryan, who

893
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: like they adore, you know, and and so you do

894
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: have your chosen you do. You have your chosen family,

895
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: and we do choose at all. And nobody ever needs

896
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: to be in a rush for anything. I mean, I

897
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: didn't have my first kid until I was forty, so,

898
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I really knew who I was and

899
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: I was and I had gone through I don't know,

900
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: like I feel like five different life times before I

901
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: had my first kid, and so you know, I mean,

902
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: I do probably get more like sometimes my husband and

903
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: I laugh because we're like, yeah, this is why people

904
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: have kids in their twenties, because we're exhausted. But overall,

905
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: it's now you have the money to hire exactly like

906
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, we we have the money to hire help now,

907
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: you know. Or I wouldn't have had the money to

908
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: hire help in my twenties. So it's all, you know,

909
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: it's all different different versions. Or like my cousin did

910
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: have a child very young, and she's like, yeah, I

911
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: kind of didn't reverse, you know, And now I'm traveling

912
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: the world, but like I have the money to travel

913
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: the world. You know, alone and I like travel the

914
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: world in my twenties with nothing, you know, So it's

915
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: all it's all how you want to play it. And

916
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has to feel like they have

917
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: to live by society's rules around when to get married

918
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: or when have kids, and it's all your own life

919
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: path and what you're called to do. And especially when

920
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: you're talking about children, because now you're entering in a

921
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: soul contract with another energy and you know, another being,

922
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's like you might have a soul contract with

923
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: somebody who wants to come in earlier or someone who

924
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: wants to come in later. And so we're dealing with

925
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of karmic relationships here, especially with our kids.

926
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: It's it's really really interesting and to see it play out,

927
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, like my oldest I'm like, wow, he chose

928
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: he chose me and my husband, Like it is so

929
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: crystal clear why this being chose us to be his parents.

930
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: And you know, people have heard me talk about it.

931
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: He's an amazing kid, but he's really really challenging. And

932
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: I think that with Garrett and I, like we needed

933
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: the maturity and we needed like the age on us

934
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: to be able to support him fully, like I would

935
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: have never been able to support this child in my

936
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: in even my thirties, like I needed my forties where

937
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: I had some maturity, where I had some depth, where

938
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I had some real life experience. Now that you can't

939
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: have that in your twenties or thirties. But like for me,

940
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: it's just like I love being in my forties. I

941
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: love it, and I feel like it's given me the

942
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: knowledge that this being that I that chose me like

943
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: you really needed. You know, I couldn't have been able

944
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: to be the mom that I am if I would

945
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: have had it when I was like thirty two, for instance.

946
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: And I love that too because it brings up as well,

947
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: like the difference between you and your partner's chart. And

948
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 4: there's going to be times where the partner that you choose,

949
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: or the kids that you have, or the friend that

950
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: you're in connection with, or the business partner that you

951
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: go in with is getting ignited or aspected so much

952
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: more heavily than you are.

953
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: So I love that.

954
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: You bring up the karma of bringing another person into

955
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: not only the world, but like the realm of the

956
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 4: transits that are happening at any given period of time.

957
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: Because it's like it might not make sense for your chart,

958
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: but it makes sense for the other persons, and to me,

959
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: it shows the interconnected oneness on such a deep and

960
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 4: visceral level where it's like there truly are no coincidences.

961
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 4: And I think astrology gives a language to that where

962
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 4: you start to understand yourself and other people in the

963
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: world around you so much more clearly and vibrantly because

964
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: you have this basis to understand it all. So I'm

965
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 4: so happy to hear that, Yeah, he found you, And

966
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: that's always been my hope, like at the period of

967
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 4: time where I did finally decide to bring this little

968
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 4: being earth side, that it would make sense for me,

969
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: my partner and this child in such an undeniable way.

970
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: And I'm very happy to be the first person for

971
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: many generations that's not having a baby during my Saturn

972
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: return because.

973
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: That was rightmare for my family.

974
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And it gets really interesting when you

975
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: start looking at sibling charts together, like I mean, even

976
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: just I won't go deep because we're gonna rap soon,

977
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: but even just looking at like my first son was

978
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: born when the south node was in Capricorn, north node

979
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: in cancer and then his brother is a cancer son

980
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and so and I will say, like my youngest Kai

981
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: for water the cancer. He is so emotionally intelligent, even

982
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: in his young age, like just blows everybody away, Like

983
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: even this morning, like he just like walks up to

984
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: me and he's like, I'm feeling sad.

985
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: The kid's three and a half. And I'm like, why

986
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: are you sad? Kai?

987
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, because body slammed the door

988
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: and it scared me and now I'm sad. And it's

989
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: just like that kind of like emotional intelligence for people

990
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: who don't have kids, like you send your kids to

991
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: play therapy and ot and you listen to doctor Becky

992
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: to get that kind of emotional intelligence normally in a child.

993
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: This like little cancer baby just came into the world

994
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: with it.

995
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: And like his older brother.

996
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: Who has his North note and cancer like means that

997
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: so much in his life. And it's just like so

998
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: clear to me. When I look at their charts, I'm like,

999
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: oh wow, this makes even more sense than even when

1000
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: you compare their charts to mine and my husband's. It's fascinating,

1001
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: like they are little puzzle pieces for one another, and

1002
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, if you can understand soulmates through the

1003
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: lens of romantic relationships, I feel like you also have

1004
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: the capacity to understand soulmates through familial bonds and with

1005
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: friends and with business partners, And to me, as a

1006
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: seventh House Selium, it's just so brilliant to see this

1007
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: transgress beyond just the tiny box of romantic relationships, because

1008
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: I truly do believe that we have more soulmates on

1009
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: this planet than we typically end up talking about.

1010
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: And your boys clearly have that bond.

1011
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do.

1012
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 3: Well.

1013
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: This has been such a fascinating conversation. I've so enjoyed

1014
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: talking to you. I just I could talk to you

1015
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: all day.

1016
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: Long, but.

1017
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: It probably would be about things that nobody would want

1018
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: to hear. But one day, who knows, who knows. One

1019
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: day maybe I'll either end up in Rome or you'll

1020
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: end up back in la and we will meet again.

1021
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for coming on the show.

1022
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for everything that you have coming up

1023
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: and let people know where to find you.

1024
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1025
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Jill. It's been incredible to sit

1026
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: down and talk with you again. For anybody that's open

1027
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: to connecting with me, I'm at the Underscore Megan Rose

1028
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 4: on all forms of social media, and I also have

1029
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: my Starcross substack and podcast that you can tune into

1030
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 4: for all of my intuitive astrology updates.

1031
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Thank you so much again and it's been a

1032
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: real pleasure.

1033
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: Likewise, thank you Chill for having me.

1034
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening today.

1035
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: I hope this episode sparks something within you, maybe a

1036
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: way of seeing yourself or a question where it's sitting with,

1037
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: or maybe it just helped you remember your power. And

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00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,080
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1039
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1040
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1044
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1047
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: honor your path, and remember the stars don't dictate your future,

1048
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: they illuminate it.

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Speaker 2: See you soon.