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Speaker 1: are going to get into a little draft talk. The
Speaker 1: draft is coming up, guys. I believe it is a
Speaker 1: week from two weeks from Thursday. That that is absolutely correct. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's coming up, and so we should. We've been
Speaker 1: checking in here and there in the last month or
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Speaker 1: we'll have Michael Burger, we just call him Burger. He
Speaker 1: is the producer um a great program Greg called Path
Speaker 1: to the Draft that's on Monday through Friday at what
Speaker 1: time it is at three o'clock Pacific, six o'clock Eastern daily.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah our our friend who wants to move the
Speaker 1: Sticks podcast. This has really moved the Sticks season right
Speaker 1: now draft season. But he's the star, I would say
Speaker 1: of the Path to the Bucky Brooks in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no offense to Bucky, but you know DJ gets more
Speaker 1: screen time and DJ carries himself in a different way.
Speaker 1: If you on the campus here at NFL medi, if
Speaker 1: you notice there's a little air about him ever since
Speaker 1: he was offered jobs to run the front office in
Speaker 1: Tampa and uh Philadelphia. Yeah, so we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: segment We're gonna call draft trigger points with Burger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we won't even get into what that means. I
Speaker 1: thought it was pressure point. Yeah, it is pressure points.
Speaker 1: Listen draft. It's too late now. I feel like pressure
Speaker 1: points is pressure points. You like the alliteration, yeah, plus
Speaker 1: trigger I had some bad connotations gun triggers and whatnot.
Speaker 1: It's like the PC pod with Greg Lately. It's not PC.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I like the sound pressure still recovering
Speaker 1: from you throw me under the bus of that Japanese
Speaker 1: pop music. Yeah, that was I spoke too soon. I
Speaker 1: actually asked my wife, Emmaica if she had heard of
Speaker 1: I think this song was didn't know that, didn't know
Speaker 1: the song. But when I gave her, you know, the
Speaker 1: name of the artist, she had heard of her. I
Speaker 1: don't wouldn't say she was a fan, but we found
Speaker 1: out she has four million Twitter followers, so she has
Speaker 1: plenty of fans. What is her equivalent in American music?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't ask that question based on the
Speaker 1: amount of Twitter followers and just listening to it, it
Speaker 1: seemed like a Selena Gomez type maybe signed me up followers. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking of like a young sort of
Speaker 1: airy pop star. So she's got like three followers more
Speaker 1: than Greg. Wait that almost I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good buddy. All right, and we're also gonna do some news.
Speaker 1: And before we do that, let's go behind the glass.
Speaker 1: Say hie to the irishman. What's up, buddy? How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, I'm doing great. Brandon was on our
Speaker 1: softball team. Uh season kicks off uh tomorrow Thursday, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody looked good in our first practice was Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought we looked pretty good. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of imfield practicing. We came out to the field starting
Speaker 1: to take batting practice. Little kids from Culver City started
Speaker 1: to swarm the area and just took over everything. We
Speaker 1: couldn't get much accomplished, little monsters, kids wanting to play
Speaker 1: games on the field. Monsters, little little news. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: We start on the throne of sleeves. Pretty cruesome stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah this is wait a minute, Oh there is nobody
Speaker 1: left the New England Paige. Sure it's used. They first
Speaker 1: round pick on Dominique easily in two thousand and fourteen,
Speaker 1: and uh easily did show some uh some ability flashed
Speaker 1: ability over his first two seasons, missed games with injuries.
Speaker 1: You expected him to be a big part of their
Speaker 1: rotation in two thousand sixteen, but then the news this
Speaker 1: drop shortly before we came upstairs. A big surprise Easily
Speaker 1: was released by the New England Patriots, is reported by
Speaker 1: a rap sheet on Wednesday. Um Comcast Sports Net New
Speaker 1: England first reported the news. Tommy Kerr and Tommy and Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the same Dominique Easily who had towards a
Speaker 1: c on Baltany's in college and ended his season with
Speaker 1: a knee injury towards quad in two thousand fifteen. However,
Speaker 1: this cannot just be an injury thing, right, Mark Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the timing of it. I mean, right the
Speaker 1: minute this happened, four thousand beat writers in Unison. Oh,
Speaker 1: there must be something else going on here. Wait I
Speaker 1: beat all those beat writers to that tape, all right,
Speaker 1: than four thousand beat writers. So basically West said it,
Speaker 1: and then everyone else copied West. That's Chamber, What about you, Greg?
Speaker 1: I agree with that. West said, as we were talking
Speaker 1: about it before the podcast. You don't just cut guys
Speaker 1: in April for perform for injury related reasons. He tore
Speaker 1: his quad, but we knew that months ago. He's a
Speaker 1: first round pick only entering the third year of a
Speaker 1: you know, pretty cheap contract cap issues is not. If anything,
Speaker 1: they're accelerating their cap hit in the short term by
Speaker 1: cutting him. So it's curious, and it's especially curious because
Speaker 1: he played so well last year. UH Pro Football Focus
Speaker 1: noted per snap only J. J. Watt was more productive
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher according to their metric, and obviously
Speaker 1: no one's saying he's the second. According to the game
Speaker 1: film I watched, he was easily the patriots most effective
Speaker 1: interior rushan, certainly their best interior Russian, and one of
Speaker 1: their best defensive players per snap. And that per snap
Speaker 1: is key because he only's you know, he's missed half
Speaker 1: the game's almost in his career. He only played two
Speaker 1: five snaps. He tores a c L twice in college,
Speaker 1: both knees, so he's had injuries going on forever. Tom Currn,
Speaker 1: who broke the story at an update after we came
Speaker 1: up here, that he that story by the way, when
Speaker 1: you went curd or whatever, like Tommy Tommy Tommy Tom
Speaker 1: Curran is the best best guy out there in the
Speaker 1: country we got it. We gotta philosophical difference differences on
Speaker 1: following injury programs, etcetera. That was he said, that's part
Speaker 1: of it. So that was my first inclination. Whenever you
Speaker 1: hear the Patriots surprisingly cut someone, isn't it because they
Speaker 1: won't get with the program in some kind of way,
Speaker 1: either they want too much money, they're not about the team,
Speaker 1: or in this case, he's probably not following the regimen
Speaker 1: laid out by the Patriots. Man also, could have you know,
Speaker 1: shown some personality, you know, been an actual human being.
Speaker 1: A lot of things can happen on Patriot way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I can only imagine how how the that Throne
Speaker 1: of Ease music would would sound if the Patriots had
Speaker 1: only one what how many playoff games in the last
Speaker 1: fifteen years. This is this is where I know it's working.
Speaker 1: When he gets all upset, I mean, they've they trade
Speaker 1: away Chandler Jones Suddenly. I wonder, if you're the Patriots,
Speaker 1: if it if it forces you to think about the
Speaker 1: draft a little differently to find people that can get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Well, I would say defensive tackle was
Speaker 1: a huge need for them even before this. It's been
Speaker 1: a huge need for them. That's why they've spent their
Speaker 1: last two first round picks on defensive tackles. Dominic easily,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown, and uh, it wouldn't surprise me if they
Speaker 1: take a defensive tackle pretty high in the draft again,
Speaker 1: because behind them, you really just have some some kind
Speaker 1: of get veterans. When you see that they signed pot
Speaker 1: Rose night, and doesn't that immediately trigger that thought they're
Speaker 1: gonna be showing more three four looks instead of four three.
Speaker 1: Well that was there was a bunch of people weighing
Speaker 1: and saying that too, that they it sounds like they're
Speaker 1: gonna shift over. Well, they're they're always gonna play both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever works that year, So yeah, maybe this year their
Speaker 1: roster will be set up that way. They tend to
Speaker 1: not be like most teams. They're gonna play thirty or
Speaker 1: one way, thirty or four to the other way. They're
Speaker 1: gonna mix it up. But the next best, really, their
Speaker 1: best defensive tackle last year overall was probably Alan Branch.
Speaker 1: I mean, Branch had like an in in summer kind
Speaker 1: of year, but it just shows you. I think Malcolm
Speaker 1: Brown has potential, but it was a position they absolutely needed,
Speaker 1: so to cut him not getting with the injury philosophical
Speaker 1: differences program. I mean that even but if he was
Speaker 1: lazy and just didn't rehab and he has a torn quad,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still think there's gonna be even
Speaker 1: by the way the quad connects to the knee where
Speaker 1: he's had major issues. In other Patriots news, we've been
Speaker 1: wondering how they're backfield is gonna look because Legarre Blunt
Speaker 1: was not attached to the team, but now he is.
Speaker 1: He's been reattached to the team. That's one way to
Speaker 1: stay things. Blunt. On Tuesday, we learned has signed a
Speaker 1: one year deal with the Patriots worth up to two
Speaker 1: million dollars. Bert Breer of NFL Media added that the
Speaker 1: deal UH seven sixty K and bass salary UH up
Speaker 1: to him one million in incentives. Later. Pats later confirmed
Speaker 1: the signing UH. Blunt miss most of or the back
Speaker 1: end of last season with a chip bone and his
Speaker 1: hip rap sheet reports or no surgery for that, and
Speaker 1: he should be ready for O. T A. S. Gregor.
Speaker 1: Are you happy to have Lagarrett blood back in your backfield? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? Can't hurt. He's good, He's been good for them,
Speaker 1: good clubhouse guy, good for parties, Well, unless you're on
Speaker 1: the Steelers, right, No, I'm saying that's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: great for parties if you want to drive around before
Speaker 1: a game. Rue. This signing really shakes my confidence in
Speaker 1: Greg's Patriots analysis. Why because I asked him a month
Speaker 1: ago when when Blunt was sitting out there and the
Speaker 1: Patriots had no backfield, Surely the Patriots are just gonna
Speaker 1: bring Blunt back on the chief. Greg said, no, I
Speaker 1: think they've watched him. I am surprised that they're gonna
Speaker 1: bother to bring him back. And it did take him
Speaker 1: a couple of months of Clearly, if any team in
Speaker 1: the league valued la Garrett Blunt, he would be playing.
Speaker 1: We can have another visit. I don't think he did.
Speaker 1: To me, he has a he has a fairly limited value.
Speaker 1: But he's just if you're gonna have four running backs,
Speaker 1: can he be one of them? He feels a role
Speaker 1: that nobody else in that roster can fill right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they need to draft a running back or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they have in the past where they drafted too.
Speaker 1: So to me, it wouldn't you know, what are they
Speaker 1: get a hundred thousand dollars signing bonus As a Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: I would not mind one million in incentives to I
Speaker 1: would not mind one bit if La Garan but doesn't
Speaker 1: make the team. That means they're if they were, what
Speaker 1: if they were, Like listen, Gary Blunt and Gary Blunt
Speaker 1: and Easily you just can't have them in the locker
Speaker 1: room together. So we just we just got Gary Blunt back.
Speaker 1: Easily is out. But brother Nick will be happy to
Speaker 1: know you're bringing Gary back. Did that for for your
Speaker 1: brother Nick? There's not enough Garies in the world anymore. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like Gary Blunt Blunt joins a running back group that
Speaker 1: includes Dion Lewis who's coming back from a tourn A
Speaker 1: c L James White, Donald Brown, Brandon Bolden, and Joey
Speaker 1: That's terrible. It's probably right. I say that almost with
Speaker 1: respect to the Patriots, that the other teams would be
Speaker 1: screwed with that lineup, but they'll be Dan Lewis if
Speaker 1: he comes back in full health. I mean that that
Speaker 1: if they had a better backfield, they might have won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year. I mean, I mean there
Speaker 1: was a big factor in them not winning a super
Speaker 1: Bowl that was out there to be one. When injuries though,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Lewis had been healthy, that would have
Speaker 1: been a completely different When's the last time you saw
Speaker 1: a backfield as in the playoffs as poor as the
Speaker 1: one the Patriots rolled out Stephen Jackson walking like two
Speaker 1: skyscrapers through the field. About the Steelers the year before
Speaker 1: when they didn't have Bellah. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about let's take away the number one and two
Speaker 1: running back, Yeah, it's gonna be a better But you're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy Dan Lewis who was just a
Speaker 1: shot in the dark, who started training camp fifth in
Speaker 1: the depth chart, that had injury problems. So look, it's
Speaker 1: better to have guys with some pedigree without all those
Speaker 1: injury problems. Obviously. Uh. Josh Gordon missed all of last
Speaker 1: season suspended after failing an alcohol test. Had not been
Speaker 1: really reinstated yet, and you started to wonder why hadn't
Speaker 1: that happened, And we got some light, uh shine on
Speaker 1: that situation. On Monday or Tuesday, I should say, rap
Speaker 1: sheet reported that Gordon failed another drug test last month. UM.
Speaker 1: The test showed traces of marijuana and UM dilute, which
Speaker 1: could be used to mask substances. UH. As a result
Speaker 1: of this test. Gordon his application for reinstatement has been
Speaker 1: denied until August. One. Leak spokesman told Rap Report he
Speaker 1: can reapply after that date. So there is good news.
Speaker 1: There's bad news obviously that it doesn't it doesn't appear
Speaker 1: that Gordon still doesn't have his head on straight. Uh.
Speaker 1: The good news, I guess if you're a Browns fan,
Speaker 1: and certainly Josh Gordon, is that he is still has
Speaker 1: a chance that appears to play this upcoming season, but
Speaker 1: he's got a by the time August first comes around.
Speaker 1: He needs to have everything together and not give them
Speaker 1: another reason. Mark Yeah, I mean from a from another angle,
Speaker 1: I think anyone still having any hopes tied to Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon needs to check themselves at the door because even
Speaker 1: if he were to pass this next thing by August first,
Speaker 1: he just sits out. There's and if you're trying to
Speaker 1: build a team as an absolute hazard, because at any moment,
Speaker 1: it feels like he's gonna get banged with another suspension.
Speaker 1: Three years in a row. He did. Now when he played,
Speaker 1: he missed two games and still led the league in receiving,
Speaker 1: So that that's tantalizing. That was also in two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: and you hold that hope for him. You know what, well, no,
Speaker 1: I am annoyed that that that his lack of accountability
Speaker 1: is annoying to me. And the fact that the drug,
Speaker 1: these players with this trauma are attached to it, to
Speaker 1: the Browns because really they're trying hard to move forward,
Speaker 1: and you know, just the same way that people feel.
Speaker 1: There's an entitlement complex to manziel I see it with
Speaker 1: Gordon too, because he's tweeting out guys, come on, not
Speaker 1: a real story, and in videos of him working out, well,
Speaker 1: you you have a deluded test and you've you've failed
Speaker 1: multiple test, so it is a real story, and you
Speaker 1: showed no ability to get healthy and get back into football.
Speaker 1: Whether or not marijuana should be a banned substances a
Speaker 1: whole different subject. I think we're gonna look back in
Speaker 1: twenty years and wonder how these careers were ruined by marijuana.
Speaker 1: On one hand, but on the other hand, you mentioned accountability.
Speaker 1: He's letting down teammates, he's letting down the front office,
Speaker 1: he's letting down the coaching staff. And frankly, you're not.
Speaker 1: No one told you you have a right to make
Speaker 1: millions of dollars playing kids. And how crazy is it
Speaker 1: that this guy under this microscope, uh seemingly could not
Speaker 1: avoid smoking weed or whatever is going out with Johnny
Speaker 1: Manzel and what's happening here where he in his mind thought,
Speaker 1: instead of keeping my nose clean, I'm gonna actually try
Speaker 1: to you know, I'm gonna still have fun and try
Speaker 1: to get away with it. It just shows, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have good common sense and it's killing the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ruining his career. It's insane how long
Speaker 1: he has not played for by now, and yet he's
Speaker 1: on the team and the Browns don't like being attached
Speaker 1: to him. While they could, they could cut him if
Speaker 1: they wanted. That's allowed. I'm not saying they don't. They could.
Speaker 1: He shows, ultimately what matters in the NFL, because he's
Speaker 1: been chosen by the Browns by four different regimes, two
Speaker 1: different ownership groups, that he's more he was more valuable
Speaker 1: than Homegren and then Ray Farmer, and then Michael Lombardi
Speaker 1: and pet and in all those coaches, He's kept his
Speaker 1: job this entire time, while all of those guys have
Speaker 1: gotten fired. So Gordon to the Browns as an organization
Speaker 1: has been deemed more important. They they lead the league
Speaker 1: and ghosts. Aren't they still paying Rob Chazinsky right there?
Speaker 1: They probably are still paying Romeo Crenic. I mean Rob
Speaker 1: Chazinski inherited Josh Gordon even he didn't draft it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's really crazy. But I mean for a team
Speaker 1: with zero playmakers, now I get it early zero, it's like,
Speaker 1: but they're not sitting around, they're not they have But
Speaker 1: about that, and you're saying, don't have hope? They have
Speaker 1: hope or else he wouldn't be on the team, and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And you have hope as
Speaker 1: a face in because you're saying that, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's very expensive number one right, And secondly, he's his
Speaker 1: contract tolls. There's no reason to just release him right now. Necessarily, Well,
Speaker 1: there is a reason if if he doesn't really if
Speaker 1: you're rebooting the machine again. But well, and you want
Speaker 1: a fresh start, and this guy keeps on getting busted
Speaker 1: and it's attaching your franchise to his name. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what's mark a guy going somewhere else and thrives, going
Speaker 1: to the Steelers and leading the NFL until three days
Speaker 1: ago the thought, probably with this new group of people,
Speaker 1: was he could be back very soon, and now it's
Speaker 1: he could be back in August. First. If it was
Speaker 1: he's going to be suspended another year, I think they
Speaker 1: would cut him. I tend to agree they might as
Speaker 1: well keep him in. The August first thing really surprised me.
Speaker 1: It showed some lead leniency and flexibility from the NFL
Speaker 1: that it's not just not just banished for another year.
Speaker 1: Necessarily we shouldn't. We shouldn't assume a ruling will come
Speaker 1: down in August first. It could, it could come down
Speaker 1: in October. And we especially shouldn't assume that he passes
Speaker 1: whatever test is in the meantime, because history would tell you,
Speaker 1: if you're a betting man, that he fails tests. That's
Speaker 1: what he does, so he will fail more tests. I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. I think that he should probably that
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's up there and with with Manzel
Speaker 1: and anyone else. In terms of we may never see
Speaker 1: him play again, the desire does not seem to be there.
Speaker 1: Moving on, Eddie Lacy, running back for the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: um out of shape for most of the last year
Speaker 1: and got a ton of criticism both from UH, the
Speaker 1: NFL world, the media, and even then his own head coach.
Speaker 1: After the season ended, UM has appeared to turn the
Speaker 1: corner in terms of conditioning. Bert Breer reported UH this
Speaker 1: week that uh Lacey has undergone a transformation, calling it
Speaker 1: quote remarkable, a red redistribution of weight from his midsection
Speaker 1: to his shoulders and arms. Here's a bird set on
Speaker 1: NFL HQ on NFL Network. I know the people around
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacey. He really feel like the Packers are going
Speaker 1: to be happy with what they see when Lacey reports
Speaker 1: of the off season program next week. Uh So, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: is this a narrative? This would have been good for
Speaker 1: by by Seller? Hold Eddie Lacey has lost the weight
Speaker 1: in his back to being Eddie Lacy. You believe it,
Speaker 1: every ounce of it. No pun intended, but yeah, of
Speaker 1: course I believe it. I've seen Eddie Lacey play when
Speaker 1: he's in shape, and he's one of the best running
Speaker 1: backs in the league. And Mike McCarthy said in February,
Speaker 1: I have complete faith that Eddie Lacy learned a lesson
Speaker 1: that he knows he can't make defenders miss or shake
Speaker 1: nagging injuries playing thirty pounds overweight. Uh, he said, I'll
Speaker 1: be confident in April we're gonna see a different guy,
Speaker 1: and even more in July, when it really matters, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a totally different guy. He's on that path.
Speaker 1: He's putting in the work. Mark's favorite player now. He said, well,
Speaker 1: I mean he's so he's done P ninety X, and
Speaker 1: I think that if you do, if you look at
Speaker 1: what happens before and after photos of P ninety X,
Speaker 1: and if he went through the program, it is it's excellent. Four.
Speaker 1: I can see exactly what he's describing that it takes
Speaker 1: whatever is down in your belly area and it melts
Speaker 1: off and it puts it up into where it's useful,
Speaker 1: up in your shoulders and norms. It's not to get
Speaker 1: some type of like sponsorship yourself. I am. I am
Speaker 1: keeping experience before or after Josh Gordon led the league
Speaker 1: in receiving What do you what are you saying? Well,
Speaker 1: I just like you have this fond memory of nine
Speaker 1: Oh well, no, I did it? What did it? When
Speaker 1: my first son, Luke was born in two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: and like around I did P sixty because I got
Speaker 1: about sixty days in and then then it was over,
Speaker 1: but I restarted it, and I think that it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a complete cross fit training. It's great
Speaker 1: for lazy, he's he's a perfect candidate. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: buy it because by the time he's going to get
Speaker 1: back with the team and then he'll be on the program.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy it long term. It's
Speaker 1: like it's one of those things that I buy Eddie
Speaker 1: Lacey in two thousand and sixteen. Now, if you're a
Speaker 1: fantasy guy and you're drafted him in two thousand seventeen eighteen, Like,
Speaker 1: what would it shock me if he's go was with
Speaker 1: his weight again or motivation. Usually those players tend to
Speaker 1: go up and down throughout their career. But I would
Speaker 1: bet big on it, like a big Eddie Lacy there
Speaker 1: this year. Totally agree with everything you said that. Uh,
Speaker 1: moving on, let's talk a little. Odell Beckham Jr. Former
Speaker 1: resident of Chris Westling's Table of Boys. He had his
Speaker 1: own suite, but you know what, he moved out of
Speaker 1: the Stable of Boys. I don't even know if he
Speaker 1: gave you notice west because now he's living he got
Speaker 1: kicked out because now he's living with a Toronto based
Speaker 1: hip hop star named Drake. Yeah, it's April in the NFL,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about this, Odell Beckham Jr. Told
Speaker 1: Rhonda Rousey of noted television station news gathering source Draft
Speaker 1: Kings TV. That's my guy right there, Beckham stead of Drake,
Speaker 1: somebody who's mindset is the same as yours, and they
Speaker 1: want nothing but success. They want to be the best.
Speaker 1: We just click on a of like that. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine how terrible the conversations, private conversations between these two
Speaker 1: guys are all they did. They're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta shut out all the haters and be be
Speaker 1: the best. And you know, we're so blessed and you
Speaker 1: know we love we love being the best. We're number one.
Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm at what what what is it with?
Speaker 1: We're asking these multimillionaires over and over in the past
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, who are you living with? And all
Speaker 1: these like dudes are living together all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened to just I'm rich, I bought
Speaker 1: a house, have a nice time. Great. It's a great question.
Speaker 1: And you know the video popped up in social media
Speaker 1: earlier this week of of O. D. B and a
Speaker 1: dance party with a bunch of men. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: there was a photo shoot of O. D. B with
Speaker 1: some patriots because Stephen Ridley is selling a line of
Speaker 1: clothing and they're all around this like pool, and the
Speaker 1: pool has statues of women that are thinking mermaids with bikini's.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's going on at Drake's.
Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree more. I want to hear the conca
Speaker 1: I want a reality show Drake's Backyard. Who wouldn't watch that? Well?
Speaker 1: I would not because I have enough Odell beckhaman Brake's Backyard? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean what like like Drake's an idiot. This is
Speaker 1: a guy who has come up with a pretty outstanding
Speaker 1: multimedia career. He's made the transition no one expect. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's doing pretty well. He's pretty successful. Maybe maybe ODIEB
Speaker 1: can learn what's your point of I'm not taking shots
Speaker 1: like Drake is like a hip hop talent. Well you
Speaker 1: just you wouldn't want to hear their conversation. They would
Speaker 1: be insufferable together. Drake is talented and Odell Beckham is
Speaker 1: telling it. I don't need to sit them and hear them.
Speaker 1: I don't believe for a second that Greg would listen
Speaker 1: to their conversation. I would want many episodes of this
Speaker 1: year olds. Do you listen to their conversation? I would
Speaker 1: watch the show. It would be I mean, granted, it
Speaker 1: would be kind of waiting to see what ridiculousness pops up,
Speaker 1: But your your dvring this and going through you've been
Speaker 1: to watch that's the thing. You guys would watch it too.
Speaker 1: Don't have TV. I think I would certainly check it out.
Speaker 1: But the the idea that it would have been sufferable,
Speaker 1: the conversations, it would be a hate watch for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be part of it. Uh, Shaws of Sunset
Speaker 1: might be something i'd watch before. The joy in O
Speaker 1: d B's dancing cannot be underestimated. And uh, he's got that.
Speaker 1: I wish I was that happy doing anything, as happy
Speaker 1: as od B is when he's danced. Irishman said he
Speaker 1: has a question, guys, I just want to know what
Speaker 1: TV show would you rather watch? Jake or Drake, Not
Speaker 1: Jake and O d B. Or Johnny Menzel and Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon as roommies, well the other one. The second show
Speaker 1: would quickly rule Gordon out of any sort of return
Speaker 1: to the unfl So I don't want to say that
Speaker 1: sounds depressed Menzel Gordon sounds more like depressing going down
Speaker 1: today's episode because TMZ article it just came out that
Speaker 1: Johnny Menzel was in a hit and run accident in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and then Josh Gordon picked up on on the sunset
Speaker 1: strip and then they had a circle back to the
Speaker 1: accident because they left the scene of it. What's going
Speaker 1: on here? It does sound like a reality show because
Speaker 1: we're getting an episode every two or three days. Brandon,
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith debate
Speaker 1: whether the the Warriors should push Kobe Bryant's game off
Speaker 1: ESPN to ESPN two. That's that's crazy, um all right?
Speaker 1: And finally, uh J J. Watt and we were playing
Speaker 1: that game yesterday or on our previous show by seller
Speaker 1: hold on offseason narratives, and you know, I found it
Speaker 1: suspicious that a new J. J. Watt stories popping up
Speaker 1: every week, like almost like every Wednesday morning, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's there's a publicist to play here? J J. Watt
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, I think you know my
Speaker 1: feelings about the gentleman talented ballplayer. But uh, this week
Speaker 1: J J. Watt appeared in a snapchat with Kate Hutson,
Speaker 1: the actress um really a strange snapchat uh video with Hudson,
Speaker 1: and then that sparked, Oh J J. Watt is he taken?
Speaker 1: And then he tweets out. He tweets out a reply
Speaker 1: to a fan who asked what how he went from
Speaker 1: quote single to dating two different blonds in twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: Replying to that bro, he write, he writes, that's l
Speaker 1: a hashtag single, get bro, get out of here? Bro?
Speaker 1: Is that l A wes get out of the dating
Speaker 1: world in a work? Wouldn't work if you were a
Speaker 1: you know, potentially a generation generational type defensive talent with
Speaker 1: millions of dollars and you know, multiple homes and all
Speaker 1: sorts of cash. Would it work for you that way? Then?
Speaker 1: And a sculpted six ft six pound body? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: get what is this? This this coupling though, what you
Speaker 1: were saying in terms of wanting to be in the news,
Speaker 1: that is a perfect pairing. Kate Hudson, she if I
Speaker 1: was doing when I was doing my Hollywood um Analytics
Speaker 1: blog website, she would lead the league in most magazine
Speaker 1: covers to lowest box office over the last five years.
Speaker 1: I mean, she has stayed remarkably on top of things
Speaker 1: and relevant with absolutely no movies or hits or anything.
Speaker 1: And she does it with stuff like going out with J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt excellent announces what is J. J. Watt doing in
Speaker 1: l A? Is he supposed to be like his pottery
Speaker 1: bar in log cabin in Wisconsin. Yeah, with like thirty
Speaker 1: seven bunk beds in there. A lot of these guys
Speaker 1: do train on here. I mean, Greg I will point
Speaker 1: out that once I don't know how old she is,
Speaker 1: but once you hit a certain age in Hollywood, it's
Speaker 1: stuff to land heat seeking roles as a female. I think,
Speaker 1: I think you're you know, you're on an interesting side
Speaker 1: of the of the debate there. That's absolutely fair, but
Speaker 1: in Hollywood podcast that's absolutely fair. But I think Kate
Speaker 1: Hudson had maxed out her her career as well as
Speaker 1: he possibly could have, so I I think ashtag nepotism.
Speaker 1: By the way, being six ft five alone would get J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt all the women in l A. Because I've never
Speaker 1: seen so many women obsessed with men's height. But it's
Speaker 1: it's incredible to me I never It was never a
Speaker 1: factor in any dealings I had with any woman in
Speaker 1: my life in any city until I moved to l A.
Speaker 1: And now it's like the number one qualification on their list.
Speaker 1: Are you six foot three or above? Nopek on the
Speaker 1: online site, we should ask that starts walking around and stilts.
Speaker 1: We should ask our upcoming guest here, Michael Berger walk
Speaker 1: into this studio he's lived in l A. Wow, not that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you're in the nepotism comment on
Speaker 1: Kate hus I don't think that's fair. Now, did she
Speaker 1: get into Hollywood that had helped her mother's Goldie Hawn?
Speaker 1: Of course, sure, But when she played Penny Lane in
Speaker 1: Almost Face, Yeah, that was that was She was captivating
Speaker 1: in that role and it launched her career, and I
Speaker 1: think fairly, and then she used up all that good
Speaker 1: right to be fair, I'm not I don't really have
Speaker 1: not been tracking Kate Hudson deeply enough, nor do I
Speaker 1: care about her. The nepotism bomb. Yeah, well, if she
Speaker 1: is the daughter of a extremely famous actress, that does
Speaker 1: not hurt in Hollywood. Your sons will be their father
Speaker 1: will be a famous NFL analyst that all over television
Speaker 1: and the silver screen possibly as well. Will you want
Speaker 1: them to be judged just because of your success? Yes? Dan.
Speaker 1: Before we move on from this, J Watt actually already
Speaker 1: heard this and he has a response for you. What
Speaker 1: all I know the problems, that's all I know. Whatever,
Speaker 1: bro come at me. Sitting to my left is Burger.
Speaker 1: Burger is the producer. I have a first name for
Speaker 1: crying out loud, do you Yeah? I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a Madonna type. We each have little names. Dan
Speaker 1: likes to give us. I'm the boss and you can
Speaker 1: just be Burger. Michael Burger is his god given name
Speaker 1: or his parents at least um. He is the producer
Speaker 1: of Paths to the Draft, which airs Monday to Friday
Speaker 1: on NFL Network at six eastern three Pacific. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the Around the NFL podcast. But I thought we
Speaker 1: were doing once every two years. Now it's once this
Speaker 1: once every two months. I'm did you guys scheduling error?
Speaker 1: What happened has progress? I'm not complaining, but it's a
Speaker 1: compliment towards you know, your epic performance last time. Oh
Speaker 1: I thank you, Yes, we all remember it. There were
Speaker 1: dozens of people told me, ye, Burger first off. Yes, Uh,
Speaker 1: you you're a single man in Los Angeles, le's not married.
Speaker 1: Uh have you found the same issues that Wes has
Speaker 1: that women are obsessed with height? Well, I will say,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what did uh what did actel
Speaker 1: fully say in Beverly Hills cop to six foot women
Speaker 1: grow on trees in California? So there, I mean there
Speaker 1: is a there is a proliferation of of you know,
Speaker 1: height uh women, a lot of tall women. That's fair,
Speaker 1: and tall women don't want to date. That's not who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who won't date
Speaker 1: men under six ft. It's quite quite a disparity. If
Speaker 1: it's for as we're talking about twenty inches there, it's
Speaker 1: it's a disease out here. I don't know that's that's
Speaker 1: but yes, I I wes. This point I think does
Speaker 1: does have some merit. Thank you. You're you're happily coupled.
Speaker 1: I am happily coupled. Yes, how tall's she's about five
Speaker 1: six pretty pretty standard? Boom, Yeah there we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk draft of Burger in a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes, but before we do that, we do want
Speaker 1: to touch on and and Mark I'm surprised this was
Speaker 1: your idea. You are not a fan of the NBA
Speaker 1: during the regular season, but there is a regular season
Speaker 1: game taking place tonight at Staples Center here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It is the Kobe Bryant uh finale of his UM
Speaker 1: twenty season career. I believe you played for twenty years,
Speaker 1: all with the l A Lakers and UM. So you
Speaker 1: said this is what we should talk about. Mark, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I'm not a Kobe fan, but
Speaker 1: I said it might not be a bad episode early
Speaker 1: on when it's April to maybe just all right? So
Speaker 1: what what Mark said? That wasn't quite the setup I
Speaker 1: was looking for. But who is the NFL equivalent of
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, a player that was undeniably talented, tremendously successful,
Speaker 1: but really viewed by many people as a villain or
Speaker 1: someone that is hard to like. Who's the NFL guy
Speaker 1: who makes you think that way? Now, hold on a second,
Speaker 1: I thought it was from any sport, that's any any sports, alright,
Speaker 1: An is there an NFL guy? Though? I don't think
Speaker 1: there is an NFL guy because struggle NFL feels more.
Speaker 1: There's not a uniform of opinion about things like Michael
Speaker 1: Vick popped to my mind. But then again, Michael Vick's
Speaker 1: you know when at the height of his U dog
Speaker 1: fighting stuff. But then again, Michael Vick is one of
Speaker 1: the most popular players of his generation, so like Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger for Browns fans certainly throughout the Midwest, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was universally reviled, not a lot
Speaker 1: of the only the only guy that popped in my head,
Speaker 1: and it was I quickly sort of rebuffed. It was
Speaker 1: t o just just just for just for the just
Speaker 1: kind of the just sheer in your face way that
Speaker 1: he played and kind of as polarizing is good. That
Speaker 1: was the only one I could think of in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, at a question of who do we love
Speaker 1: to hate, because that's a different question. Do you have
Speaker 1: a player that you like Ridgan, I'll admit that Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning for my career, I I did it, certainly. That's
Speaker 1: my Patriot and Patriots fandom that the Patriots never really
Speaker 1: had a rival other than Peyton Manning was arrival. Wasn't
Speaker 1: really the Colts or the Broncos. It was Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: That's where I would go with this anyway, and let
Speaker 1: me unpack this for me. So to me, Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: and Alex Rodriguez are inextricably that was mine. They came
Speaker 1: of age in the nineties when sports exploded financially an
Speaker 1: image wise, and at eighteen nineteen years old in the
Speaker 1: mid to late nineties, they are told by their handlers
Speaker 1: it's about image. You have to reject this image. And
Speaker 1: neither of those athletes built a base of character. Like
Speaker 1: if you read The Education of Alex Rodriguez by J. R.
Speaker 1: Mooring U a great long form, there's no soul there,
Speaker 1: there's no base of Alex Rodriguez has no personality, no character.
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like the opposite of that. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think he was too busy, wrapped up
Speaker 1: trying to be Michael Jordan for years and trying to
Speaker 1: protect this image. And I think Peyton Manning came of age,
Speaker 1: Hey Manning came of age in that era too, and
Speaker 1: he was all about spin controls, extremely about spin control
Speaker 1: an image earlier in his career. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a reviled star or anything, but but I see
Speaker 1: those three guys as coming from that kind of deriving
Speaker 1: from that era of professional sports exploding money wise, in
Speaker 1: image wise. The interesting person to put in that category
Speaker 1: as well, and I feel like they're all in that
Speaker 1: same era is Jeter, who is for something you know,
Speaker 1: in a in a in the polar opposite is just
Speaker 1: I mean, revered by almost everybody who in baseball pop culture.
Speaker 1: A lot of has to do with what he did
Speaker 1: off the field, you know, his exploits there as well.
Speaker 1: But but it's an interesting sort of dichotomy when you
Speaker 1: have an A Rod or a Kobe and then a
Speaker 1: guy like who again, same era, same time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: always thought there was more substance to get Kobe. I
Speaker 1: totally disagree. Kobe seems like a very smart individual. Uh.
Speaker 1: He certainly has an interesting background, He has strong views
Speaker 1: on things. He seems insanely calculating, doesn't seem very likable.
Speaker 1: But that seems different to me than an a Rod
Speaker 1: and and maybe even a Jeter, which just seems kind
Speaker 1: of like a black hole. Like Kobe was like a
Speaker 1: lot there there, you know, whereas Kobe, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot there it just you just might not like it. No.
Speaker 1: I think early in his career he was like a
Speaker 1: rod and that he had to take a poll before
Speaker 1: he would say any statement. I I would go from
Speaker 1: the NFL angle big bend because I see that there
Speaker 1: was an off the field incident that almost caused the
Speaker 1: Steelers to think about parting ways with him. But we
Speaker 1: also in a time where attention span is so brief
Speaker 1: that that's completely forgotten at this point and his career
Speaker 1: and who he is as a player has I respect
Speaker 1: him now, so I don't hate. He also never really
Speaker 1: captured the zeitgeist like the like a guy like Kobe
Speaker 1: or I think Vic is a good guy to look
Speaker 1: at in a lot of ways because he, like Kobe,
Speaker 1: came in with a ton of hype. He was involved
Speaker 1: with a draft day trade, He came into league then
Speaker 1: lived up to the height, was a star that had
Speaker 1: legal problems that changed the way people looked at him forever.
Speaker 1: But as personalities, they seem like very different people. So
Speaker 1: that's where that kind of falls apart. But I think
Speaker 1: Kobe is kind of on some level to me one
Speaker 1: of a kind. I mean that is Michael. I mean
Speaker 1: the other answer for me is Michael Jordan. I love
Speaker 1: to hate Michael Jordan's real I was surprised what I learned.
Speaker 1: I think the rest a lot of the country kind
Speaker 1: of jumped on and just became Bulls fans. I never
Speaker 1: got to that point. I always hated him, always rooted again,
Speaker 1: always root against because I was a Celtics fan. Not
Speaker 1: that they were rivals, certainly not by the end of it,
Speaker 1: but at the beginning, just didn't And you just don't
Speaker 1: like the guy that's on top of see for me,
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan came into bloom when I was in
Speaker 1: around fifth grade, and I have like notebooks from that
Speaker 1: time just filled of drawing Michael Jordan's pictures and I
Speaker 1: fell in love with the NBA for a period of
Speaker 1: time because of him. Even though I ended up being
Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, Jordan was fascinating to watch. I love
Speaker 1: the guy. I grew up in a city didn't have
Speaker 1: the NBA in Cincinnati, and to me, I always thought
Speaker 1: anyone would suspect if they hated Jordan's really yeah, like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you because you don't like watching Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan play, Well, it's like that was beating right if
Speaker 1: you're from Boston, I get that, but in Cincinnati, like
Speaker 1: how much of a contrarian are you trying to beat?
Speaker 1: Not like Michael Jordan. You would go up every year
Speaker 1: we would drive up, drive up by sixty five and
Speaker 1: go to I would see one Michael Jordan game a year.
Speaker 1: I didn't make sure it was on my my list
Speaker 1: to do with my parents. By the way, little in fact,
Speaker 1: do you guys know what my middle name is? Jordan?
Speaker 1: It is Jordan's. I thought it might be Michael Michael
Speaker 1: Berger Michael Jordan's Burger. Wow, that's amazing. And you were
Speaker 1: born obviously before Michael Jordan was named. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: like eight years there was Yeah, so that I was
Speaker 1: not after ro that would be weak. Michael Jordan Burger,
Speaker 1: by the real quick have you have you? That's gonna
Speaker 1: make a new podcast? Do you know what? Do you
Speaker 1: know what? You know what? People that don't know what
Speaker 1: you look like? And why would they don't? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't. You don't look like Jordan's. I find
Speaker 1: glasses alone and size well you can shooes who to
Speaker 1: share it with. I find I find what usually when
Speaker 1: I travel, like when I go internationally and I get
Speaker 1: and I pull out my passport and everyone and it
Speaker 1: takes them a second and it's always oh, Michael Jordans, Oh,
Speaker 1: and then it becomes a whole thing. I just your
Speaker 1: hair is somewhat similar to we do have similar hairlines, yes,
Speaker 1: or lack thereof in this case. But um wait, by
Speaker 1: the before real quick before us uh, we were talking
Speaker 1: about in the newsroom more compelling game tonight Kobe or
Speaker 1: the Warriors game. Yeah, Larriors by far Kobe stopped being compelling,
Speaker 1: and when he stopped being good. To know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people listen to this afterwards. But it just seems
Speaker 1: like that if you can great greatness and he's just
Speaker 1: if you could choose to be a one game I
Speaker 1: would probably choose Kobe because you know he's gonna jack
Speaker 1: up forty shots and maybe he gets hot and you
Speaker 1: see something crazy Golden State, it's gonna be up by
Speaker 1: thirty point to be like watching Peyton Manning in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Give me a break, I don't know. Alright,
Speaker 1: So Burger, here we go, Here we go draft. Here's
Speaker 1: a seg uh called draft? Sure points with Burger. Now
Speaker 1: it's pressures on me, right, Yeah, so Michael Jordan Burger
Speaker 1: and that's never Maybe I should have kept that one
Speaker 1: Burger And yeah, we saw Burger in the lobby yesterday
Speaker 1: and he said, what are we gonna do? What are
Speaker 1: we gonna talk about? We want to talk a little draft,
Speaker 1: and Burger, because he's an idea man, he said, well,
Speaker 1: there's certain parts of the draft. Why don't you explain it, producer. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm not gonna sit here in and
Speaker 1: evaluate players. That's not certainly what I'm qualified to do.
Speaker 1: But I do think that there are interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: teams picking in certain spots of the draft that I
Speaker 1: think will dictate certainly the first round, and how various
Speaker 1: teams not only pick after them, but kind of just
Speaker 1: change the complexion potentially of the first round. Um with uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it starts, I think with the Browns
Speaker 1: and two, assuming again no one trades up and Tennessee
Speaker 1: holds onto the top spot. It starts with the Browns
Speaker 1: at two, and there's some other interesting spots as we
Speaker 1: kind of moved down the first, right, So why don't
Speaker 1: we start with the Browns at two? Well? Look, I
Speaker 1: mean for a lot of these teams, it comes down
Speaker 1: to will they are won't they draft a quarterback? And obviously, um,
Speaker 1: you know, did the r G three signing take the
Speaker 1: Browns out of uh, the mindset of drafting a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Who knows is it went is it Golf? Do they
Speaker 1: like either one enough to sit it too and take
Speaker 1: a quarterback? The argument for the Browns is, on one hand,
Speaker 1: shirt you need a franchise guy. Obviously you don't think
Speaker 1: Josh McCown or r G three, Uh is that guy?
Speaker 1: Moving forward? Having said that, we all know the Browns
Speaker 1: need help at a lot of different places, on a
Speaker 1: lot of different levels of the field. So do they
Speaker 1: trade back and try to get more picks and maybe
Speaker 1: hope that a quarterback, if they like a quarterback is
Speaker 1: there at six or seven? Do they think that Wentz,
Speaker 1: Golf and Lynch are maybe the same guy, and they
Speaker 1: moved back even further to you know, and hope that
Speaker 1: he's there fifteen, middle of the first round, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: They could either take the best player on their board,
Speaker 1: whether it's a Jalen Ramsey and Miles Jack somebody like that,
Speaker 1: and and certainly store up what was not a very
Speaker 1: good defense last year. Um or they take a quarterback
Speaker 1: and that will have a major domino effect on what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, Cowboys at four, the Niners at seven, even
Speaker 1: the Rams at fifteen, um, and I'll kind of start
Speaker 1: the ball rolling. I think in the first round a
Speaker 1: little bit, Mark, how would you feel if the Browns
Speaker 1: did not come out of this draft with a quarterback?
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the fant of me would be disappointed,
Speaker 1: but I'd I'd be more interested to find out who
Speaker 1: made that decision, because the sense that we're getting word
Speaker 1: that you know, Pet Hamilton's the offensive corner, really wants golf.
Speaker 1: But maybe Hugh Jackson does too, but maybe the front
Speaker 1: office just wants to compile picks. Well, Cleveland's made a
Speaker 1: cottage industry of trading down. You didn't get Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and you ended up getting Phil Taylor, who's not on
Speaker 1: the team anymore. How many times do this? I think
Speaker 1: you gotta swing at a quarterback if Hugh Jackson loves
Speaker 1: one of them, if they aren't sold on one, You're right,
Speaker 1: that glass half full is you could pick any position
Speaker 1: and it would be a position of need in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 1: But I am not buying the idea. And look, it's
Speaker 1: on our website that it's coming out in these couple
Speaker 1: of days, in the last few days that the Browns
Speaker 1: are not in love necessarily with anyone to take at
Speaker 1: number two, and so that they're more than willing they're
Speaker 1: trying to trade out. There's a lot of smoke that
Speaker 1: they're gonna trade out. You got the number two pick
Speaker 1: in the draft, and by all accounts, these two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are worthy top ten quarterback picks. So it seems crazy
Speaker 1: to me that they would not view either one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks as a franchise quarterback. I don't care that
Speaker 1: their number two or number eight either their franchise quarterbacks
Speaker 1: or they're not. And if they if they deem one
Speaker 1: of those two guys, you have to take them. There's
Speaker 1: no better way to change your team and take one
Speaker 1: next year, just keeping just keep taking them. And and
Speaker 1: don't you have to kind of with the new regime,
Speaker 1: link yourself for better for worse, inextricably to somebody a
Speaker 1: face the franchise and kind of just not Jeremy Tunsil,
Speaker 1: who will play right tackle for three years, like Jeremy's
Speaker 1: his cousin. It's you take one of these guys early,
Speaker 1: you put you get him in the lineup, don't be
Speaker 1: starting r G three deep into the seas and see
Speaker 1: what he can do. If there's a lot of bad
Speaker 1: juju around the guy, you're gonna have a top five
Speaker 1: pick next year to probably get the best quarterback. Just
Speaker 1: get the quarterback. That's what they gotta get the quarter
Speaker 1: You hit it and everything changes. You want to don't
Speaker 1: get too smart, right, Um, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think the Browns at two are interesting,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you go right down to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at four. And this is kind of the million
Speaker 1: dollar question pressure. Okay, go ahead, look creepy, but that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's a guy. Uh million dollar question in this draft
Speaker 1: is will the Cowboys take a quarterback at four? Um?
Speaker 1: They Now, it's really crazy they you know, whether you
Speaker 1: believe Jerry Jones or not, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: the scuttle, but seems to be that they are really
Speaker 1: looking at either even if Whence or GoF is taken,
Speaker 1: it too that they are looking at the other one
Speaker 1: potentially at four. Now, look, they say they have Tony
Speaker 1: Roma is their guy. He's gonna be there for the
Speaker 1: next however many years he has left three, four or five,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe more. But they don't have that quarterback
Speaker 1: of the future, certainly, And if you know, we've been
Speaker 1: saying all year on path of the draft. If you
Speaker 1: you know, I think one of these guys is that
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. We're guardless of whether you have your in
Speaker 1: Romo on your roster or not, you take a quarterback
Speaker 1: at four. If not, you know, they probably go edge
Speaker 1: rusher with a Joey Bosa, Miles Jack will still be there,
Speaker 1: maybe a deforced Buckner. But it's really that to me
Speaker 1: is is the most interesting question of the first round
Speaker 1: is what the Cowboys do it for and specifically will
Speaker 1: they take a quarterback? And if your Dallas, you want
Speaker 1: to If you're it's like and you know, you get
Speaker 1: the draw four card and you blow the opponent up,
Speaker 1: like you want to be one of those twos. I
Speaker 1: don't know where that like the Packers and the cults
Speaker 1: where you have a franchise quarterback for a decade plus
Speaker 1: and then you just insert the next one without any
Speaker 1: nonsense in between the And if there is a scenario
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys have the choice of any quarterback on
Speaker 1: the board of that pick, I think they would live
Speaker 1: to regret the day. I don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: Tony Romo and his health of the stage people and
Speaker 1: not forgotten by the way that I wrote this in
Speaker 1: a mail bag that we published yesterday. You know, he
Speaker 1: has this classical thing that he got the Mumford and
Speaker 1: Son's surgery on, and now people have forgotten that he
Speaker 1: has a back injury that can go on him at
Speaker 1: any time, and that could end his career too. So
Speaker 1: is two potentially career ending injuries that can pop up
Speaker 1: at any time. You gotta get the next guy. Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is not the next guy. The third You know
Speaker 1: who the third quarterback on the roster is West. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a made up name. It's like Strongs
Speaker 1: or something strong something like. It's like, he's not the guy.
Speaker 1: I feel like they would make a huge mistakes. Couldn't
Speaker 1: just a real human being who has achieved a lifelong
Speaker 1: dream to make the NFL. The entire Showers family is
Speaker 1: proud of Jamille. You're just mocking him. Alright, sorry, all right,
Speaker 1: let's move down. I mean real quick. Couldn't they just
Speaker 1: take a quarterback at the top of the second round.
Speaker 1: This is a draft word. Supposedly that you know that
Speaker 1: that there will be three three quarterbacks maybe taken in
Speaker 1: the second round. I I. It's an interesting one for
Speaker 1: the Jones is too, because it's a definite Are we
Speaker 1: still trying to win a super Bowl with Tony Romo?
Speaker 1: You would think, yes, they they have not lost sight
Speaker 1: of that. Do we really have the patience to take
Speaker 1: a quarterback versus a guy like an addresser like Buckner
Speaker 1: or Ezekiel Elliott. Maybe put him in the backfield and
Speaker 1: you just Jerry Jones gets excited about that and tries
Speaker 1: to win the super Bowl. Right now, that seems more
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys. And you've got to think they're chopping
Speaker 1: at the bit after what happened last year, just a
Speaker 1: lost season, completely lost that they just well they don't
Speaker 1: want to you know, they are going all in. You
Speaker 1: would think this year and drafting a quarterback for a
Speaker 1: long term play doesn't necessarily fit, you know what they
Speaker 1: and I know the money isn't crazy at the top anymore,
Speaker 1: but it's still a lot of money. If you take
Speaker 1: a quarterback four and you have Tony Romo as the top,
Speaker 1: you know, top paid quarterback in the league, just about
Speaker 1: that's a lot. It's got to be voices in the
Speaker 1: buildings saying no, no, no, no, we need we need
Speaker 1: something else. But to West's point, couldn't you take a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the second round if they want to go
Speaker 1: edge rusher or defensive tackle in the you know, if
Speaker 1: that need for them this draft that this is by
Speaker 1: far the strength of the draft is defensive ends and
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. So they if they think there's that much
Speaker 1: difference between Wentz and Golf there when Dallas picks that's
Speaker 1: my prediction. Yeah, and they may they may not be.
Speaker 1: So it's it's gonna be it'll be interesting. But that
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's that's a really interesting part of
Speaker 1: the draft. Give us another pressure point. Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you gotta go down. I'm just gonna crawl
Speaker 1: into the table here. Uh, Niners at seven because again
Speaker 1: it's will it will one of those quarterbacks still be there?
Speaker 1: And if uh, if they are, do they take one?
Speaker 1: You know, they have a lot of needs obviously up
Speaker 1: front at the offensive line, linebackers, and they're not gonna
Speaker 1: take a linebacker at seven, certainly you wouldn't think. But um,
Speaker 1: you know they've well that's seven eight, that's yeah the
Speaker 1: Eagle or yeah, the Niners at seven and the Eagles
Speaker 1: at eight. You know you're round in the corner. If
Speaker 1: the Eagles are doing something strange. I mean, we talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit, just that that they're really
Speaker 1: they're you know, working out every they're working out whence
Speaker 1: I believe today Wednesday, as we're taping this, they're working
Speaker 1: out all the guys. They're in all these like I
Speaker 1: don't really buy I don't quite buy that, but I
Speaker 1: think I think if you're really interested in one of
Speaker 1: those two guys, it's hard to imagine really any scenario
Speaker 1: they get past seven eight. Yeah, and and they all
Speaker 1: we know they also someone will trade to Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: a I think, to take the second guy if they're
Speaker 1: not off the board. They also love Ezekiel Elliott. I
Speaker 1: mean that's something that's been connected to them for a
Speaker 1: long time, and that's you know, we saw Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: go on the top ten last year. By all accounts,
Speaker 1: ezekiellett Is is kind of, you know, a very similar
Speaker 1: different styles, but as well, there's whisper similar talents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's whispers of Philly going up to number two to
Speaker 1: take get there. So the Dallas Camp forty niners seem
Speaker 1: and I would throw the Rams in this and maybe
Speaker 1: they're a pressure at fifteen, Tould put them, I sound
Speaker 1: as creepy as Greg creep it's a it's a common
Speaker 1: it's a nice combination of creepy. Uh. I would think
Speaker 1: that they're about as likely as anyone to make a
Speaker 1: big time trade, because desperation equals trades, and the Rams,
Speaker 1: especially at fifteen. Can't you just see them knowing that
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher is the first coach since Dave Shula to
Speaker 1: make it to a fifth season without a winning record
Speaker 1: in less sneed has never had a winning record, and
Speaker 1: they're moving to l A and you just need a
Speaker 1: face of the franchise, and they just give up their pick,
Speaker 1: They give up next year's first who knows you're throwing
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's or something, and you move up wherever you
Speaker 1: need to move Fisher and here the opposite r G
Speaker 1: three they do, and then seeing them as their starting quarterbacks, thill,
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher has never been condescendingly padded on the head
Speaker 1: by one of his players while giving him a lecture.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yes, that is not a guy to ever
Speaker 1: be connected to historically on any level. Dave. Al Right, Burger,
Speaker 1: let's hear about another team under well, I think Uh,
Speaker 1: the Bears at eleven are interesting because again if if
Speaker 1: for some reason, let's say the Browns don't take a quarterback,
Speaker 1: Let's say the Cowboys don't take a quarterback. Okay, and
Speaker 1: let's say for all tends purposes, the Niners take offer
Speaker 1: went at seven, the Eagles go offensive line, let's say,
Speaker 1: which is a big need for them at eight. Then
Speaker 1: the Bears at eleven. You know, some team either is
Speaker 1: gonna want that last quarterback, that second quarterback to you know,
Speaker 1: and worried that maybe the Rams taking a fifteen or
Speaker 1: do the Bears who don't really have quarterback in the
Speaker 1: future behind Jay Culor, who I believe is entering the
Speaker 1: last year of his contract. Is that correct? Someone check
Speaker 1: me on that. It might be the last year of guaranteed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. But but either way, you
Speaker 1: know that color is not exactly the most reliable option
Speaker 1: at the position that we've seen in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. And and maybe they take a quarterback at
Speaker 1: a level I mean, again, it's the first the first
Speaker 1: half of the draft is where these first two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: end up, and that really will affect what so many
Speaker 1: other teams. I'd be shocked if they got that far.
Speaker 1: But New Orleans Ian Rappaport mentioned New Orleans as a
Speaker 1: team that is major interest in a quarterback to right.
Speaker 1: So it's their their number, their number twelve. So no one,
Speaker 1: none of these guys are getting that low. But if
Speaker 1: they do, that's it and that and that's where you
Speaker 1: could see the movement again. If one of those guys
Speaker 1: is still on the table, do the Rams move up
Speaker 1: a couple of spots? Do the Saints jump up a
Speaker 1: couple of spots? Do the Jets move from twenty? You know,
Speaker 1: if they're not sold, if Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't done yet
Speaker 1: there and they don't think Bryce Petty Orgino Smith is
Speaker 1: the answer, do they move up? There's a lot of
Speaker 1: play that could happen. And then sort of middle ten picks.
Speaker 1: If one of those guys is still on the board,
Speaker 1: take Color wouldn't be on the airs if anyone had
Speaker 1: taken him in a trade last year, right, Burger, give
Speaker 1: us one more team that's feeling the well, I just
Speaker 1: I'll give you too quickly because they're both they're both
Speaker 1: similar sort of dynamics. So in the at the end
Speaker 1: of the first round, you have the Texans at twenty
Speaker 1: two and the Steelers at twenty five. What's interesting about
Speaker 1: those two teams is if you look at the draft
Speaker 1: orders starting at twenty two, you have the Texans at
Speaker 1: twenty two, the Vikings at twenty three, and the Bengals
Speaker 1: at twenty four, all three of whom you could argue
Speaker 1: their first biggest need is a wide receiver. So and
Speaker 1: you have, you know, these receivers. You you might not
Speaker 1: see the first one taking, whether it's Lakwan Treadwell or
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman or Josh Dockson or whoever it is, that
Speaker 1: they may not be taken until right or you know,
Speaker 1: in eighteen nineteen somewhere in that back half of the
Speaker 1: first round. So you could see a run on receivers there,
Speaker 1: maybe all all three of those teams Texans, Vikings, Bengals
Speaker 1: taking receivers or if they're gone before the Bengals pick,
Speaker 1: then the bank, you know, so you could see one
Speaker 1: of those teams kind of get shut out if there's
Speaker 1: a little run on receivers there in that early twenties,
Speaker 1: and then at the Steelers want to get caught at
Speaker 1: the end of the run exactly exactly. It's like again
Speaker 1: on the top of that. It's like a crappy Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a crappy closer run in a baseball Fantasy
Speaker 1: baseball draft. You don't want. You don't want the J. J.
Speaker 1: Hoovers or any of those guys. Yeah. Anyways, the only
Speaker 1: person in this room that knows who well, he's the
Speaker 1: close Come on, Yeah, that's my team, thank you. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then and then the Steelers at twenty five quickly
Speaker 1: Steelers twenty five, Seahawks at twenty six, Packers of twenty seven.
Speaker 1: You could argue their biggest need each is a cornerback,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of corners who we've seen mocked
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round of William Jackson
Speaker 1: and Eli Apple already burns. Those guys. We gotta run.
Speaker 1: You could see very interesting kind of positional runs. Uh
Speaker 1: in the late mided late twenties. As we kind of
Speaker 1: get through the first end, Steelers need to trade Big
Speaker 1: Bend to the Jets for Darrell Reavis. Do that a
Speaker 1: second that both needs both teams needs. Well, Burger, you've
Speaker 1: done it again, came on the show, and uh, you
Speaker 1: shocked the world, knocked another and you now you know
Speaker 1: my middle name. Yeah, what did we learn? Uh, Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's burger. He has to do with that a lot
Speaker 1: and it's not always fun, but this is fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do we already know? You are a former Wheel
Speaker 1: of Fortune contestants, that's right, championship not let's not sell
Speaker 1: a short here dating a woman that is somewhere between
Speaker 1: five six seven. Yes, and very attractive woman, I should say, so,
Speaker 1: good job there, burger um passionate Bengals fan. Yes, so
Speaker 1: you're a man that feels pressure. Are your team to
Speaker 1: win in January? So there's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: That workout last year, same way it always do. And
Speaker 1: you how to get that in there? Didn't That's but
Speaker 1: not least he's the producer of path to the drafts today.
Speaker 1: Yea Eastern tune in. Uh, yeah, it's gonna we're what's
Speaker 1: uh fifteen days out now until the two thousand six
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, so close Chicago. I know I will be
Speaker 1: here sort of overseeing our studio coverage as we lead
Speaker 1: up to uh the big day on and then the
Speaker 1: rest of the weekend. It's weird that path to the draft.
Speaker 1: It's not it makes sense, but there's path to the
Speaker 1: draft after the draft too. Yeah, it should be path
Speaker 1: from the draft at that point after the confusing. I
Speaker 1: think you gotta work on the branding a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do. It's just one preposition
Speaker 1: change or just like it's a graphic or just like
Speaker 1: the path to the draft is over the path to
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Speaker 1: still a tad Cumberson is that when DJ goes on
Speaker 1: vacation for like nine months after that's after that week,
Speaker 1: the week after the draft, we will not see Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it also doesn't remind me of the other show
Speaker 1: you produced around the NFL uh confusing that they also
Speaker 1: name this podcast around the NFL. UH And and for
Speaker 1: so long there was no link between the two programs
Speaker 1: that we've made. Maybe that maybe that means you just
Speaker 1: have to have me on more. That's all. Perhaps the
Speaker 1: glass you are the bridge between the two programs. UH
Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on. What's your Twitter handle again,
Speaker 1: Mikey b TV. Mikey BTV, mikey b TV follow him?
Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about Mike Burger, Michael Jordan Burger.
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