WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Johnny Ringo

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff Josh, Chuck, Jerry, Infra,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave and we are quick on the draw. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>short stuff, pew.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not lasers, though you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Draw a lasers consola.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good point. But not in the Old West unless

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<v Speaker 2>it's Westworld, I guess, because we're talking about the Old West,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking about a lesser known Old West gun

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<v Speaker 2>slinger by the name of Johnny Ringo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not Johnny Angel. Johnny Ringo, although you can substitute

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<v Speaker 1>his name for that for Johnny Angel in the song

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<v Speaker 1>if you sing it in your head.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you could.

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<v Speaker 1>He is. He was at the time very well known.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an outlaw. He was one of those cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He was a highed gun. He was a mercenary,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess is a higher gun. He also ran

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<v Speaker 1>gangs that were known to murder and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't like a bank robber. He wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>train robber even. He just seems to have been a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who just kind of made his way from town

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<v Speaker 1>to town, ended up in kind of famous situations, and

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<v Speaker 1>did nefarious things here there, just enough to make a

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<v Speaker 1>name for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was born in May eighteen fifty in what

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<v Speaker 2>is now Greens Fork, Indiana, shout out to greens Forks

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually got tangled up. Like you said, he sort

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<v Speaker 2>of found himself getting tangled up with various more famous

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<v Speaker 2>people that included early on the younger Brothers who were

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<v Speaker 2>led by Jesse James and Frank James, the bank robbing group.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was had a pretty awful incident happened to

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<v Speaker 2>him that when he was a teenager that seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>it really kind of shaped the rest of his life,

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<v Speaker 2>and how could it not.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, his parents and his brothers and sister were all

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<v Speaker 1>on the trail to move from Missouri to California, and

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<v Speaker 1>part way through Martin Ringo was I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing with his rifle or shotgun. I saw both,

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<v Speaker 1>but it went off when it happened to be pointing

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<v Speaker 1>up at his head from his chin, and he died instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously in a very gruesome way, right in front of Johnny.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can basically explain the rest of Johnny Ringo's

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<v Speaker 1>life from that incident, because it doesn't matter was eighteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>ten fifty, twenty fifty If his son sees his dad

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<v Speaker 1>die in that manner that's going to shape your life

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much single handedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, he was obviously traumatized. They had to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they were moving, like you said, to California,

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<v Speaker 2>so they just had to kind of keep going. They

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<v Speaker 2>buried him along the road, kept that wagon train going.

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<v Speaker 2>And by that age he was he was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good shot himself. He was pretty good with a quick draw,

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<v Speaker 2>good with a rifle. They landed in San Jose, his

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<v Speaker 2>mom and his brothers and sisters, and he was there

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<v Speaker 2>till about eighteen seventy when he moved to Mason County, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>where he kind of fell in with a bad gang

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<v Speaker 2>of cattle rustlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it almost seems like so he was twenty then.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like he just basically moved to Texas to

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<v Speaker 1>look for trouble and he found it very quickly. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a Texas ranger, well a former Texas ranger turned

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<v Speaker 1>outlaw named Scott Cooley, and they just kind of hit

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<v Speaker 1>it off pretty quickly. They became friends. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where Johnny Ringo really kind of started to become known

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<v Speaker 1>as a like an outlaw gun slinger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, because Mason County. You know, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen like the Three Amigos, you know had Germans

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<v Speaker 2>in it, and you kind of don't really think about

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<v Speaker 2>the Old West having like, you know, British people and

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<v Speaker 2>German people, but they did. In fact, Mason County was

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<v Speaker 2>mainly colonized by German and British descended cattle people, and

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<v Speaker 2>the tensions between them were pretty rough. Between those groups,

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<v Speaker 2>they were often accusing one of her stealing their stock

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<v Speaker 2>and taking their cows and rustling horses. And then in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy five it really sort of launched when a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of the Brits, including a guy named Tim Williamson,

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<v Speaker 2>were pulled out of jail by these Germans and killed

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<v Speaker 2>in retaliation for a cattle theft.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they were being transported by a deputy sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>named John Worley, and these Germans assumed Germans who killed

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Williamson and took some other guys and hung them

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<v Speaker 1>and shot them. Scott Cooley, who was friends with Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Williamson and some of the other guys, he assumed that

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<v Speaker 1>John Worley had allowed this to happen, that he was

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<v Speaker 1>basically in on it. So this kicked off what became

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Mason County War or the Hoodoo War.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first victim in this war, after Williamson, was

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<v Speaker 1>John Worley, who was killed by Scott Cooley, who not

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<v Speaker 1>only killed them but scalped him on August tenth, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels like maybe a time for a break, I think, so,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll be right back with Moron Johnny Ringo

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<v Speaker 2>right after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so when we left you, the Hoodoo War

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<v Speaker 2>had kicked off, John Morley had been killed and scalped.

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<v Speaker 2>This is eighteen seventy five, and Ringo was a part

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<v Speaker 2>of this war. And you know, it seems like he

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of just a sideman, supporting his buddy Coolie

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever he wanted. He was friends with the guys

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<v Speaker 2>in his gang. He was part of the gang essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>And when a guy named Moses Baird, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the gang, was killed in that Hoodo War.

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<v Speaker 2>About a month later, in September of that year, Ringo

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<v Speaker 2>went on the attack big time. Shot two of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that he suspected was involved in the murder, a

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<v Speaker 2>guy named Dave dool and another guy named James Cheney

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<v Speaker 2>went to their houses and shot him, and he actually

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<v Speaker 2>went to jail for this one, but because it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Old West, he escaped not too long after, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean like he's really starting to build on

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<v Speaker 1>his legend as a black hat outlaw. Right. He spends

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<v Speaker 1>the next few years moving around looking for new cattle wars,

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico, Arizona, Texas. He was known to do things

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<v Speaker 1>like he pistol whipped and then shot a man who

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<v Speaker 1>he offered a drink to and the guy refused. He

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<v Speaker 1>murdered another man that he saw harassing a woman, robbed

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<v Speaker 1>a poker game that he had just left because the

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<v Speaker 1>players wouldn't loan him any money so he could stay

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<v Speaker 1>in and keep playing. But his his I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody has heard of Johnny Go it's because of

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<v Speaker 1>he crossed paths. It's his association with the guys from

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<v Speaker 1>the Ok Corral in Tombstone, Arizona. Doc Holiday and Wyatt

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<v Speaker 1>are in Virgil or you can't forget Virgil.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you've seen the movie Tombstone, you

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<v Speaker 2>were probably yelling, like, guys, we've heard of Ringo. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Michael Bean, right, Yeah, John Connor's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. So Ringo didn't like these guys. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like Holiday and IRP either, IRP. And eventually they

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<v Speaker 2>did like a real Old West sort of high noon

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<v Speaker 2>showdown in the middle of the town streets and it

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<v Speaker 2>was pistols were going to be drawn, for sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>a local constable came in intervened and nothing happened at

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<v Speaker 2>that point. But that was about a year before Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>Ringo would be found dead against a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I have never understood what that I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>huckleberry meant, So I looked it up. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what it means?

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen too, believe it or not all the

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<v Speaker 2>way through.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't either. I just know that that Val Kilmer

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<v Speaker 1>says that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, that's a hole for me, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>He says I'm your huckleberry. And what I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>was the old timey way at the time was saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the man for the job. I can do this,

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess he was saying, I'm the man who

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<v Speaker 1>can kill you essentially or take you down, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least gunfight you. Okay, So at any rate, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fight at Doc Holliday in Wyatt or he wasn't there

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<v Speaker 1>at the famous gunfight at the Ok Carral. Apparently he

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<v Speaker 1>was out of town that day, and I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 1>was quite upset when he came back to town and

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<v Speaker 1>found out what had happened, because he definitely would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on the side of the other guys. And like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, all that happened about a year before. He

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<v Speaker 1>was found dead just outside a tombstone, up against a

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<v Speaker 1>tree on July fourteenth, eighteen eighty two. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>single gunshot wound to his head and a cold forty

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<v Speaker 1>five revolver in his hand, so it seemed like it

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<v Speaker 1>was probably a pretty clear cut case of suicide. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been known to have been deep in the drink at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, was very depressed, and he'd given an interview

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<v Speaker 1>to the Tombstone Epitaph newspaper just before his death that

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he was going to be run down

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<v Speaker 1>or killed at some point, and a local historian named

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Bo's Bell, so that he certainly sounded down in

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, So you could make a pretty good case

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<v Speaker 1>that it was suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, other people say it was probably you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie at least it was Val Kilmer. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Doc Holiday, and that historian Bell was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone thought pretty much that this is a suicide until

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<v Speaker 2>that movie came out. There were of course whispers that

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been Holiday and erb in the gang,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was really that movie that kind of solidified

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<v Speaker 2>it in the minds of people, because you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a big Hollywood movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's some problems with that one. Doc Holiday

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<v Speaker 1>was almost certain li in Pueblo County, Colorado, a few

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<v Speaker 1>days before Ringo's death and after because he had to

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<v Speaker 1>appear in court and he's on the record as having

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<v Speaker 1>been there. It's a fifteen hundred mile trip in three

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<v Speaker 1>days that I guess you could make, But that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of trouble to go out of your

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<v Speaker 1>way when Doc Holladay could have just killed them basically

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<v Speaker 1>at any time. And then Wyatt Earp he did claim

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<v Speaker 1>credit for him, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he for sure did. But this seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things where and I think this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of happened a lot in the Old West, where it

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<v Speaker 2>was a badge of honor and you could claim that

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<v Speaker 2>you murdered someone when you didn't at all, and that

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<v Speaker 2>seems like it had some pretty big holes, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>account of his killing wasn't it didn't line up with

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<v Speaker 2>like how the body was found. And he also recanted

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<v Speaker 2>later and was like, you know, I didn't really kill

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<v Speaker 2>that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And there was another piece of evidence that just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of at least it's circumstantial, that was written later

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<v Speaker 1>by Doc Holliday's common law wife, Big Nose, Kate Cummings,

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<v Speaker 1>And not only does it kind of support the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that he died by suicide, it also really paints him

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<v Speaker 1>as a tragic figure. If you'll indulge me, will you chuck? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Cummings wrote, Ringo was a fine man anyway you

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<v Speaker 1>look at him physically, intellectually, morally. He was six feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>rather slim and build, although broad shouldered, medium fair is

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<v Speaker 1>to complexion, with gray blue eyes and light brown hair. Kay,

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<v Speaker 1>so far, so good. His face was somewhat long, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He was what might be called an attractive man. So

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<v Speaker 1>she described him physically as basically handsome, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>says his attitude toward all women was gentlemanly. He must

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<v Speaker 1>have been a gentleman born. Sometimes I noticed something wistful

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<v Speaker 1>about him as if his thoughts were far away on

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<v Speaker 1>something sad, and he would say, oh well and sigh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he would smile. But his smiles were always sad.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something in his life that only he himself

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<v Speaker 1>knew about. He was always neat, clean, well dressed, show

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<v Speaker 1>that he took good care of himself. He never boasted

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<v Speaker 1>of his deeds, good or bad, a trade I have

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<v Speaker 1>always liked and men. John was a loyal friend, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was noble for he never fought anyone except face

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<v Speaker 1>to face. Every time I think of him, my eyes

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<v Speaker 1>fill with tears.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean that sounds like a guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>haunted by seeing his father blow his own head off

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<v Speaker 2>by accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I think it says a lot that that

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<v Speaker 1>was Doc Holliday, his sworn enemy's wife who wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Johnny Ringo. Kind of a murder mystery, but

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily and anyway you slice it, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>unsung outlaw bandits of the Old West. Attractive Chuck said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, which means short stuff is out.

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