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Speaker 1: Well it happened. We had been waiting. We have an answer.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker has selected the Los Angeles Dodgers. He signs

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Speaker 1: a four year deal. He has opt outs after years

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Speaker 1: two and three. It's a cool two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Plar were going to be joined by others

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Speaker 2: KP.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we can talk about how it appeared as

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Speaker 1: But the Dodgers get richer. They have won back to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a free market for

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Speaker 3: all these teams to go out and bid for these players.

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Speaker 3: It just and obviously there's going to be interest from

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Speaker 3: proven track record of making their players better. They're back

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Speaker 3: to back World Series champs. They have a collection of riches.

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Speaker 3: They have some of the best players in baseball. They

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of people are gonna sit here

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Speaker 3: But everyone has the opportunity to go out and bid

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Speaker 3: but you know, if you are close to another team

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Speaker 3: those things I mentioned, and the Dodgers kind of just

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Speaker 3: kind of been operating, you know, with Kyle Tucker, kind

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Speaker 3: But at some point you're like, there's no way they're

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Speaker 3: change the game again. The highest a ever for a

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Speaker 3: that's somewhere in that lineup. It's crazy. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: We always hear this from Ken Rosenthal. He loves to

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Speaker 1: use this terminology. Dodgers just hang around the backboard and

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Speaker 1: they wait, and they have their plan. They want high

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Speaker 1: in something super long term. Wipe away the show Hay situation.

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Speaker 1: There are many times where they've made offers like this.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Harper comes to mind. Bryce said, Nah, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sign for a very long time with

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies. Clearly KP. Kyle Tucker had other thoughts

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Speaker 1: what was likely a much longer term offer and more

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Speaker 1: agency again and perhaps get even more cash. Right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. If he looks like a superstar over

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Speaker 3: Field, Yeah, I mean, how could he not mean, if

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Speaker 3: I don't know Kyle Tucker personally. Maybe he's like, holy crap,

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Speaker 3: after that. Either way is not wrong. I just don't

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Speaker 3: And you know, you think about some stuff with like

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Speaker 3: they got more out of him. You know. I feel

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Speaker 1: Other people just think, you know what, the Dodgers have

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Speaker 1: so funny to me, KP how in trouble the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: they're winning. They're producing talent homegrown, right, they're developing despite

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Speaker 1: of a sudden they're supplementing that. They're becoming a dominant

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Speaker 2: Right. Well, hey, if.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to them. I was hoping you were gonna

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Speaker 3: It just seems like good business to me to go

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Speaker 2: Is that not what the Blue Jays just did?

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Speaker 1: Exactly what the Blue Jays just did that to a

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Speaker 1: We can talk later about ti Oscar Hernandez and how

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Speaker 2: Jb what do you think?

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Speaker 1: What are the Dodgers doing right now in the front

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're popping some domb champagnes. What they're doing right now, Scott,

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Speaker 4: But it was very clear that he's not a new

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Where did things go wrong for me? I would have

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think he's going to find out how much

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, KP. Do you want to ask your Toronto question.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really gotten to it yet, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. And I think the other thing Kevin though,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, agree with you on all of those points. And

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's a great problem, or a great I should say,

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Speaker 1: Right, Actually, Dave Roberts said that himself, and actually, up

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Speaker 1: until a couple weeks ago, the Blue Jays were starting

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Speaker 1: to join the Dodgers in ruining baseball. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like this further emphasizes an issue in the sport and

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Speaker 1: causes fans to get angry or are fans angry at

437
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Speaker 1: an evil empire just like they were back when the

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Speaker 1: Yankees kept winning?

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Speaker 4: No, I'd see it different. Look, I have compassion, right,

440
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Speaker 4: I mean I was a GM as you know, small

441
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Speaker 4: market team in Cincinnati for most of my professional career.

442
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Speaker 4: I always had that challenge and when you can't compete

443
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Speaker 4: with the big boys, you've got to find different ways

444
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Speaker 4: to try to win. It's easy to say, well, anybody

445
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Speaker 4: can win, and Tampa's been to the World Series and

446
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Speaker 4: all that is true, But I think we can't deny

447
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Speaker 4: the realities of the following Scott. The last ten years,

448
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Speaker 4: there has not been a single major League team in

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Speaker 4: one of the bottom fifteen markets that has won a

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Speaker 4: World Series. That's a decade of baseball hasn't happened. Los

451
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Speaker 4: Angeles Dodgers literally paid in luxury tax more than sixteen

452
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Speaker 4: teams major league payrolls. And so a lot of people

453
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Speaker 4: are going to complain because a lot of small markets,

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Speaker 4: they don't spend the revenue sharing they get. They don't

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Speaker 4: try to win because they know they can't, because they

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Speaker 4: can't compete. And so I try to tell people, like,

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Speaker 4: if you're living right now in a three hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars house, and I ask you, why are you not

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Speaker 4: living in a twenty million dollar mansion on the ocean

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Speaker 4: in Miami, what is the answer. It's because you can't

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Speaker 4: afford it. Otherwise you would be probably right. And that's

462
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Speaker 4: kind of where the pirates are, right, That's kind of

463
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Speaker 4: where the Marlins are. They're not going to be able

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Speaker 4: to go sign Tucker at sixty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 4: So is that what you want for the sport? You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, every other sport is a salary cap.

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Speaker 4: My opinion is we should be talking about a salary

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Speaker 4: floor and then we should be talking about a cap,

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Speaker 4: and we should try to try to get a more

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Speaker 4: competitive balance on the lowest payroll teams and the highest

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Speaker 4: payroll teams. Look, the big market teams like LA and

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Speaker 4: New York are always going to have bigger payrolls. The

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Speaker 4: superstar players like Tucker and Soto and Otani are always

474
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Speaker 4: going to get more money than everybody else. But should

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Speaker 4: it be this much more than everybody else or should

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Speaker 4: we have a system. The other thing is players aren't

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Speaker 4: even getting fifty percent of the revenues. They're getting less

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Speaker 4: share of the revenues than the NFL, the NBA and

479
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Speaker 4: the NHL. Like that doesn't make sense either. So look,

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Speaker 4: I think the minimum needs to go up. I think

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Speaker 4: we need to have a salary floor making the smaller

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Speaker 4: markets spend more money. We need to continue to add

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Speaker 4: more money to the revenue sharing for the smaller markets,

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Speaker 4: and then I think we have to put how much

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Speaker 4: of a differential do you want one hundred million, two

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Speaker 4: hundred million, three in a million. I don't know. Let

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Speaker 4: everybody decide. But you can't sit there and have a

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Speaker 4: system where one team can spend whatever they want, whenever

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Speaker 4: they want, and fifteen teams can't. And the other thing

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Speaker 4: is have compassion for fifty percent of major league players

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Speaker 4: who spend their whole life go into high school, going

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Speaker 4: to college, going to the minor leagues, going to the

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Speaker 4: big leagues. They're all trying to win a world championship.

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Speaker 4: But if you're in one of the fifteen smallest markets

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Speaker 4: on opening Day, you have zero chance of winning a

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Speaker 4: World Series? Is that really the system we want? Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it is. And I think it's okay

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Speaker 4: in the NBA that the Oklahoma City Thunder have the

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Speaker 4: best team, and I think it's okay in the NFL

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Speaker 4: the teams can go from last to first, and I

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Speaker 4: don't think this system works. I look, I'm happy if

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Speaker 4: you're a Dodger fan. I think I'd be thrilled if

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Speaker 4: I'm a big market team. This system is perfect for you.

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Speaker 4: But when you have the fifteen smallest markets that have

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Speaker 4: not won a single World Series in a decade. The

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Speaker 4: last team to do it was the Kansas City Royals.

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Speaker 4: That's a problem for me.

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Speaker 2: JB.

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Speaker 1: Did you think that the Diamondbacks had a chance in

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Speaker 1: twenty three or that the Brewers with the best record

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Speaker 1: had a chance this past season?

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a great point because the Brewers had

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Speaker 4: the best record in the regular season, and how many

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Speaker 4: people thought they could beat the Dodgers. I know I

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Speaker 4: wasn't one, and I watched those guys play each other.

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Speaker 4: I think it's great that they were able to have

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Speaker 4: the best record. I like the division they were playing

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Speaker 4: in for that, and I I like the fact they

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Speaker 4: got there. Yes, they had a chance, But really, did

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Speaker 4: any of us look ourselves in the mirror and say, yep,

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Speaker 4: those Brewers are going to beat the Dodgers and get

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Speaker 4: to the World Series, Because I'll tell you I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, seems to win. I'm sorry. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, if a small market team wins, how much

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Speaker 4: how long is that window to keep it? Because it's

527
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Speaker 4: only so long before they can afford and then they

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Speaker 4: have to move on from their team. Brewers are already

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Speaker 4: talking about moving Freddie Peralta, who is one of their

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Speaker 4: best pitchers because they know they can't sign them long term.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, is that really what we want?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny I think that the Dodgers are

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Speaker 1: mostly causing the problem and the hate, right if we

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Speaker 1: didn't have the Dodgers right now, even though many other

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Speaker 1: teams can spend at a very high level, right, it's

536
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Speaker 1: not like the Mets that are spending a ton or

537
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Speaker 1: running away. They didn't even make the freaking playoffs, right.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees were fine this year. They weren't great. Right,

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Speaker 1: if we eliminate what the Dodgers are doing, they have

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Speaker 1: built a machine. So I'm with you on the disparity

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Speaker 1: right now. But they've built a machine. It starts from

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Speaker 1: the farm system up right, and then they're making a

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Speaker 1: ton of money. I think sho Hey Otani is making

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Speaker 1: them an extra hundred and fifty million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: at this point. That's enabling them to do this. So

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Speaker 1: it leads me to my last question for you, Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 1: We don't know the exact amount on deferrals, but is

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Speaker 1: getting paid about sixty million dollars a year now That

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Speaker 1: might go down on net present value based on how

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Speaker 1: much money we get in deferrals, right, But sixty million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year and the Dodgers are pasted all the

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Speaker 1: luxury tax numbers, so that's one hundred and ten percent tax.

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Speaker 1: So they are paying him what one thirty or forty

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Speaker 1: something like that mill is what it would cost him

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Speaker 1: if there's no deferrals on the contract this year. So

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Speaker 1: my question for you is it worth it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like Mark Bowman who covers the Braves, just threw this

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Speaker 1: out there. It's never had a six plus war season.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't that a five plus war? The past two years

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Speaker 1: two seasons nine hundred ops and just one of those

562
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Speaker 1: was nine to twenty and he gets sixty million bucks

563
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Speaker 1: a year. Do you think that Kyle Tucker is worth

564
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five million dollars after luxury taxes

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Speaker 1: go through then.

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Speaker 4: The Dodgers, I do. Yeah, they have the money, they

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Speaker 4: can deserve that, they can pay it, and they have it,

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I think he's a great player. I like

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Speaker 4: a In fact, I didn't like the position the Yankees

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Speaker 4: took where they didn't think he could play in New York.

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Speaker 4: Is I think he can play in New York? I'm

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Speaker 4: a fan of Kyle Tucker. He's just not you know,

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Speaker 4: he's just not going to carry a team, right, He's

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Speaker 4: not the face of the franchise. That's not the personality.

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Speaker 4: But as a baseball player, oh absolutely, I love it.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, when you get the net present value,

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Speaker 4: whenever we get the deferrals, which we haven't gotten leaked

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Speaker 4: out yet, the number is going to be a lot

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Speaker 4: less than this. I promise you. It's probably going to

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Speaker 4: be in the forties to be honest, but we'll wait

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Speaker 4: and see when we get that to make that determination.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, he's that great of a player. And keep

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Speaker 4: in mind what's happened with the Dodgers. They have one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest minds in the game, and Andrew Friedman.

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Speaker 4: So you've got a small market genius running the large

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Speaker 4: market Dodgers. And the Dodgers every time they went and

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Speaker 4: got Atana Yamamoto.

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Speaker 2: What did they do.

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Speaker 4: They did all these marketing deals all over Japan. They

590
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: are so brilliant and what they're doing, they're bringing in

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Speaker 4: so much revenue they can afford to do all of

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Speaker 4: this and more. And so the scary part for baseball

593
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Speaker 4: is when you have great a great mind like Andrew

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Speaker 4: Friedman running a large market team. It's a machine. And

595
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Speaker 4: by the way, I love their farm Systemsire Hope. Oh

596
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Speaker 4: my god. I can't wait till he gets to the

597
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Speaker 4: big leagues and he joins the outfield with Tucker and Pothes.

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Speaker 4: That is going to be phenomenal. They do everything right

599
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Speaker 4: from the bottom to the top. Analytics, technology, science, scouting.

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Speaker 4: They're the best all the way around. They're destroying people.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just because of the money. I mean,

602
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Speaker 4: look what the Mets are doing. I mean, come on, stop.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, they deserve credit for

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Speaker 4: the baseball movies they're making. But do they have a

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Speaker 4: huge advantage financially, Yeah, of course they do. But they

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Speaker 4: also have the baseball minds that are matching in that's

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Speaker 4: what's been scary for the sport, and they're putting together

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Speaker 4: one of the great greatest dynasties in the history of

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Speaker 4: Major League Baseball. This is incredible what they're doing, and

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Speaker 4: it's also going to lead to a CBA that might

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Speaker 4: cause a work stoppage, or at the very least is

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Speaker 4: going to cause a salary floor in a salary cap.

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Speaker 4: That's the one thing about this signing that it's going

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Speaker 4: to do. It's probably that tip of the iceberg that's

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Speaker 4: going to change everything going forward for the entire industry.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget they cleaned up the ninth thing a

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Speaker 1: little bit too with Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 2: No big deal. So a what a.

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Speaker 1: Freaking off season, man, unbelievable. Will talk more, of course, JB,

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Speaker 1: thanks for hopping on with us.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome. Appreciate you man.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Wow. That's JB.

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Speaker 1: Jimboden resident GM. We're looking at Dodger contracts from June

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Speaker 1: Lee online. He posted worth more than one hundred million bucks.

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Speaker 1: You've got glass now, Will Smith, Reddy Freeman, Blake Snell,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, Yoshiyamamoto. He's pretty damn good. Pokie Pets show hoo, Tani.

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Speaker 1: What did you think, KP about what Jim said in

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Speaker 1: regards to the Dodgers being unfair. That's the funny thing

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Speaker 1: to me. If the Dodgers didn't exist right now, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it would be as much of an issue, right,

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Speaker 1: Like sure, when fans want every team to spend the

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Speaker 1: same amount, do the same everything, right, they have the

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Speaker 1: same Let's have the same robots on the field. Let's

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Speaker 1: make everything exactly the same. That's stupid and boring. But

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Speaker 1: my point is it's the Dodgers that are bringing this

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Speaker 1: front and center. It's not like we have every single

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Speaker 1: big spender just swinging left and right and crushing everyone right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Mets are the prime example right now.

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Speaker 1: They have and can spend as much as the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: and they've been pretty close with them. I know, the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers separate a little bit over the past year or

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Speaker 1: so because they win so much more so you're gonna

644
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Speaker 1: make more money when you win. But Mets are capable

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Speaker 1: of doing this, and they can't make the playoffs for

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Speaker 1: two out of the past three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I always sit back kind of just listening,

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Speaker 3: observing what he was saying. And I mean, I have

649
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: some compacts too, But in the same breath, I also

650
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: understand if an owner can't go out and you know,

651
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: spend the money that he wants to spend or feels

652
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: like he can afford to spend to go out there

653
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: and try to win, there's always an option to selling

654
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: your franchise. You know, Steve Cohen bought the franchise and

655
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: he's willing to spend money, but it hasn't worked. The

656
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: Dodgers just happened to have the perfect balance of an

657
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: ownership group that is willing to spend the money, and

658
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: they also have a brilliant mind and Andrew Friedman, and

659
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: they've been able to draft, and they've been able to develop,

660
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: and they've been able to out tech and outthink and

661
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: outdo everyone. And they also play in an unbelievable market

662
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles where a lot of players want to play.

663
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: It's a historical franchise with a pedigree of winning. It's

664
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: sunny southern California. You know, they draw forty five forty

665
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: eight thousand fans a night. Who wouldn't want to be

666
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: a Dodger. And also, when he was talking about just

667
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: kind of creating parody in the game, I'm an avid

668
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: NBA fan, so I understand how the NBA salary cap

669
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: works and all that stuff. And it's easy to point

670
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: to a team like Oklahoma City and how they just

671
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: recently won the NBA Finals. But what we're not talking

672
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: about is the five years previously where they weren't very good,

673
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: but they were able to draft and develop some good players,

674
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: and they kept trading them and kept trading them, and

675
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: they finally were able to stockpile multiple first round picks

676
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: over multiple years, and they went out and they were

677
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: able to win an NBA championship. And they're only getting

678
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: better now because they still have first round draft picks

679
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: that they're able to go out and get the best

680
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: players in the NBA draft. You know, it's just I

681
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: feel like teams can do it. It's just a matter

682
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: of if they want to do it.

683
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the comments are wild right now,

684
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: Terry with the super Chat, appreciate that for Russel on

685
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: Late Night with the Crew.

686
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: Opening Day is going to be electric.

687
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Speaker 1: We are also going to talk to Ken Rosenthal coming

688
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: up in a moment to get his thoughts. Here's showtime,

689
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: not Shoho Tani, but in the comments, face at the

690
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: Dodgers are the best team in Major League Baseball. Just

691
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible turn of events here. I really thought

692
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: he was going to end up with the Blue Jays,

693
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: and fans are obviously like, oh, Scott's glazing the Dodgers. Well,

694
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: what I mean for being super successful? What can't we

695
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: can't give praise to what they've done and for the

696
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: signing again we're talking about them not being the only

697
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: team that can throw.

698
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: The hammer down.

699
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: The Mets tried, they just came up short. We might

700
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: end up finding out that the Mets put up a

701
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: similar number in terms of net present value.

702
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: Right, look up deferrals. We're not going to spend time

703
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: doing that.

704
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: We do it sometimes on foul territory, but KP for

705
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: all we know, there's so many deferrals that net present value,

706
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: like Boden mentioned, could be lower, could be in the

707
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: forties or something, and the Mets could have actually beaten them.

708
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: We'll find all of those details out at some point

709
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: pretty soon. But regardless, I also did genuinely feel like

710
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker did not want to spend time in New

711
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: York with the Mets. I don't think he's that kind

712
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: of guy. I've covered him quite a bit in my

713
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: career many interviews. It's not really his thing. He is

714
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: more mild mannered. Guess how much attention Kyle Tucker is

715
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: going to get in LA. A lot less attention than

716
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: he would have gotten in New York. You played for

717
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: the Mets, right, you've spent time in LA. What's the

718
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: ratio going to be? And actually, real quick, because then

719
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: we got Ken ready to go. But the ratio of

720
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: attention and pressure and all of that in New York,

721
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: even versus LA, when you can be like sixth fiddle

722
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: on the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I also don't think maybe

724
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: some of the potential friction with what was going on

725
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: in the Mets clubhouse is probably an ideal destination for

726
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, if you're choosing between the two teams, and

727
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: you obviously, if you're a baseball fan, and you know,

728
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: maybe Kyle Tucker is, you know, once his season was

729
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: over and he's turning on you know, the World Series,

730
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: and you know, you look at both of those teams

731
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: and maybe that's why they were the two finalists for

732
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: his services. Not necessarily because they were the last two

733
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: teams standing, which he obviously wants an opportunity to win.

734
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: But if you looked at both of those dugouts, they

735
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: both looked like they were a ton of fun. The

736
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: guys genuinely liked each other. It looks like an environment

737
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: that you'd want to put yourself in. And you know,

738
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: if you're a guy who doesn't want to be the

739
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: face of a franchise, what better place to go hide

740
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: than go play for the Dodgers. I mean, Mookie's arguably

741
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: one of the best players in the game. Freddie's one

742
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: of the best players in the game. Will Smith might

743
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: be the best catcher in the game. We're talking about

744
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: Max Munsey potentially hitting seventh or eighth in this lineup,

745
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: you know, and every all those guys are superstars. But

746
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: when it comes to show, hey, Tawani, he is the

747
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: one who gets all the attention. So if he just

748
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: wants to go out and play baseball and help his

749
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: team win and make a ton of money and not

750
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: have to answer questions every single day or not have

751
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: to carry the load, go hide in la.

752
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get the scoop on this. Here comes up

753
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: to senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken, I know you just

754
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: posted an article in The Athletic. Tell us what you

755
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: wrote about.

756
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: What I wrote about was just the immediate impact on

757
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 5: all three teams as far as the team they're going

758
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: to put on the field next season. Now, of course

759
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 5: there is much more to this. I'm going to start

760
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: writing again the moment we hang up. But this deal,

761
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: to me, Scott was not that surprising. Now the number

762
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 5: is surprising, yes, of course, sixty million dollars a year.

763
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: It's a record aav It's crazy. We need to hear

764
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 5: the deferrals. We need to hear what the present day

765
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 5: value of this deal is. It's not going to be

766
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: sixty million. I can assure you that it might be

767
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: closer to forty.

768
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: I don't know yet.

769
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: That is a critical detail that we have not yet heard.

770
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 5: It will affect the luxury tax number, of course, and

771
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 5: I don't know that it even matters to the Dodgers.

772
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: They're already thirty five million over the luxury tax before

773
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: even agreeing with Kyle Tucker. So that is one element

774
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 5: of this. But essentially, for the Dodgers, what I wrote

775
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: was they needed an outfielder. Remember they were looking at

776
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 5: to start the season if Tommy Edmond was not ready

777
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 5: to go from ankle surgery. They were looking at Teoscar

778
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: Hernandez in one corner, Andy Pahz in centerfield, and the

779
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 5: other corner would have been Ryan Ward and Alex call

780
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: perhaps platooning. That wasn't what we would expect from the

781
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 5: Los Angeles Dodgers. So from a strictly baseball perspective, they

782
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: needed him. They got him, and the reason I'm not

783
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 5: surprised it was them kind of goes to what Kevin

784
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: was saying a minute ago. So I'm not sure he

785
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 5: wanted to go long term. I'm not sure he wanted

786
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: to go to Toronto. Toronto is much more of a

787
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 5: destination than it has been in the recent years, and

788
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: actually all the players they missed out on it was

789
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: circumstances in each case. We have seen this offseason the

790
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: Blue Jays spend more than every other team three hundred

791
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 5: thirty seven million total with their four free agent signings,

792
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 5: including of course Dylan Cees right at the top of that.

793
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: So free agents do want to go there. Doesn't mean

794
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 5: every free agent wants to go there, and it doesn't

795
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: mean in Kyle Tucker's case, he wanted to sign long

796
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 5: term there. So if his preference was short term with

797
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 5: opt outs, which is what he got four years with

798
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: opt outs after years two and three, then it comes

799
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 5: down to, of course, the Mets and the Dodgers, and

800
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: if you're a player right now, and Kevin touched on.

801
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: This, where would you rather play.

802
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 5: Here's a guy also with kind of a low key personality,

803
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: well established low key personality. He's going to go to

804
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 5: New York, whereas Kevin was saying the clubhouse was a

805
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 5: mess last year, when he can go to LA for

806
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: perhaps even more money. It never made sense to me

807
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: that that was going to happen in the Mets favor,

808
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 5: So I am not surprised by the outcome in that sense.

809
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Hey, for Toronto fans, ken they want to know where

810
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: all of that money is going to go.

811
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: You know how that works.

812
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: Fans always want to know what we were about to

813
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: throw the bag at Kyle Tucker? Are we going to

814
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: throw that at Bobashett or somebody else.

815
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: I don't expect them to sign Bobashett. I have not

816
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 5: expected it the entire offseason. So yes, they have money

817
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: that they would have devoted to Kyle Tucker that they

818
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: could now redirect to Boba Sheett. But I still believe

819
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 5: rather strongly that Bobaschet's gonna end.

820
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: Up with the Philadelphia Phillies.

821
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 5: Now the Blue Jays, it's not like they haven't spent

822
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 5: here and they're already over the highest threshold. So perhaps

823
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: they will do some things, maybe get another outfielder. I

824
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 5: don't see them, maybe going after Cody Bellinger, who still

825
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 5: seems headed to the New York Yankees. They could do

826
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: that and could go about it that way, but it

827
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 5: would seem to me they probably now will kind of

828
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: go with what they have, and they can play Nathan

829
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: Lucas and left as they have. They can put Barger

830
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: in the outfield and right field at some point two.

831
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 5: But the issue that they face, and this is what's

832
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: interesting about them, and this is why maybe they do

833
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 5: go make a run. Bellinger, Varshow and George Springer are

834
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 5: free agents.

835
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Speaker 2: After this season.

836
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Speaker 5: They're gonna have a hole. And while they don't necessarily

837
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: need an outfielder right now for twenty twenty six, they

838
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 5: will need one going forward. And the free agent class

839
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: next offseason is not one that has a cornerstone type outfielder.

840
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 5: So sure I would watch out for the Blue Jays

841
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: still wow.

842
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: And then last one for you can the Dodgers with

843
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: the ti Oscar Hernandez conversations like a month ago or so,

844
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: do you think that gets revisited or like you said,

845
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: it actually works to move him over to left like

846
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker play right. And then nice offseason. You got

847
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: Edwin Diz two.

848
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: By the way, certainly they could trade him and it's

849
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: something that they have at least thought about, but it

850
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 5: seems to me, Scott, they're gonna do exactly what you said.

851
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: Tayo and left.

852
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 5: Andy Paje is in center. They've got Alex call coming

853
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 5: off the bench. They should be pretty well positioned this way.

854
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 5: They probably wanted to get Tayo out of right field

855
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 5: anyway and move them over to left. This facilitates that conceivably.

856
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: Could they maybe go trade to Askar Hernandez and then

857
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: sign another outfielder.

858
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Sure they could do that.

859
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 5: I'm not sure why they would want to do that.

860
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 5: He yes has questions defensively, but my goodness, he has

861
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 5: been a force for them in the playoffs at times

862
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 5: of the regular season.

863
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: It's been a really good Dodger. Ken.

864
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. We'll look forward to more work

865
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: in the athletic and then we'll talk to you actually

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Speaker 1: tomorrow on FT.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thank you. That's Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look for all his work in the athletic, the

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Speaker 1: one he already put out there, and then I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you'll see a lot more from him and his colleagues,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get questions for Ken. On Friday's edition

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Speaker 1: of Foul Territory. One more thing for you, kp So

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Speaker 1: it appears as if we have a little information on

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Speaker 1: the deferrals, thirty million dollars in deferrals out of the

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Speaker 1: two forty mil. That's actually probably lower than most people anticipated.

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Speaker 1: That will bring the net present value the number down

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Speaker 1: for Tucker, but it's not going to bring it down below,

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Speaker 1: say the Mets.

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Speaker 2: That's my guess. You know, it probably won't bring it

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Speaker 2: down to where.

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Speaker 4: The Mets do the math.

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Speaker 3: It's trying to do the math.

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Speaker 2: So thirdy depends where the deferral.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where where the deferrals are at. It's hard to

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Speaker 3: know exactly, but yeah, still, I mean, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess that's a little bit lower than I thought,

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Speaker 3: just given kind of what the Dodgers had done over

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Speaker 3: the last you know, a couple years with their deferrals.

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Speaker 3: You know, players have been willing to, you know, take

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Speaker 3: some bigger deferrals to come play with the Dodgers. So

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would have thought the number was going

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Speaker 3: to be bigger.

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Speaker 2: Well think about it.

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Speaker 1: So, out of two forty, if thirty is deferred, you're

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Speaker 1: still at to ten mil. So that is still more

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Speaker 1: reportedly than what the Mets put out there, unless their

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Speaker 1: offer changed, right, because the Mets were four two hundred,

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Speaker 1: so that's that's two ten plus still getting thirty million deferrals.

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Speaker 1: So the Dodgers definitely beat the Mets offer. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like some super chats to finish up here, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll do a full two hours of FT on Friday.

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Speaker 1: In this Dodgers ara This from Herado, which fan base

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Speaker 1: is the most bit or due to Dodgers free agens,

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Speaker 1: trades and preventing teams from winning the World Series Padres, Giants,

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays, Yankees, Mets, Phillies, et cetera. I've gotten text

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Speaker 1: from a fan of almost each of those teams over

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Speaker 1: the last forty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, off the top of my head, I would

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Speaker 3: say the Phillies because I think the Phillies went out

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Speaker 3: over there, you know, the previous offseasons getting you know,

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Speaker 3: Bryce Harper and Trey Turner and going out is Zach

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Speaker 3: Wheelers and signing all these guys and spending a lot

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Speaker 3: of money. But they also did it signing these guys

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Speaker 3: over a long period of time, and it kind of

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00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: feels like that window maybe closing a little bit. They

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Speaker 3: were hoping maybe that Dodger window would close a little

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Speaker 3: bit and maybe they would clash, but to me, it's

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Speaker 3: got to be the Phillies because that was a team

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Speaker 3: who was willing to go out and spend a ton

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Speaker 3: of money and it just hasn't worked out for him.

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Speaker 1: We saw nice super Chat about Kyle Tucker's numbers, especially

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. He was on a ridiculous pace,

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Speaker 1: but he only played half a season. This past year

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Speaker 1: also put up really good numbers but missed some time,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he was dinged for that by some

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Speaker 1: teams that weren't interested JJ with super Chat boohoo.

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Speaker 2: Owners have the money, they refuse to allocate it correctly.

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Speaker 2: It's on them.

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Speaker 1: Players that are good should be able to come to

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Speaker 1: the table and say what they're worth. Just more x

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Speaker 1: GM cope. I guess someone that was not pleased with

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Speaker 1: the whole salary cap conversation thinking that that's the end

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Speaker 1: all be all that's going to solve everything. Also, just

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Speaker 1: to hint for everyone, if you do get a cap eventually,

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Speaker 1: and we do have a soft cap, it does actually

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Speaker 1: prevent many teams from going above a certain mark. We do,

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Speaker 1: but even if we get a hard cap, it's not

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Speaker 1: like every team's going to be tied to a very

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Speaker 1: small amount of money, it's still going.

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Speaker 2: To be a huge disparity.

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Speaker 4: Also.

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Speaker 1: Lol, if we do get a cap and the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: have to somehow shed like three quarters of their roster,

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Speaker 1: that would be a little bit funny. Anyway, KP, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time, dude, This was great. Appreciate everyone for hanging

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Speaker 1: with us. Good crowd tonight. Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: late night here on the East coast and on the

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Speaker 1: West coasts. Dinner time, party time for Dodger fans. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to them. They're having the time of their lives right now.

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00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: Back to back champs. They had the best closer in

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Speaker 1: the baseball in baseball, and they had the best position

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Speaker 1: player that was available this offseason.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable, unbelievable offseason, unbelievable off season. Check check.

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal on Foul Territory with us.

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Speaker 1: Trevor May will be on the show on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: also Eric Kratz and you'll see KP very soon. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk spring training schedule very soon too. See you Friday.