WEBVTT - Will the Real Jim Carrey Please Stand Up?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm heather Dy Brow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doctor Terry Brow, and we're going to keep this

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<v Speaker 2>between us, but not really.

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<v Speaker 1>I cut my hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks so good. That is what I used to

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<v Speaker 2>call heady hair from sitcom era. What's funny is I

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<v Speaker 2>met you have this hair.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you know how your phone and I know

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<v Speaker 3>it listens to us whatever. But it was pulling up

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<v Speaker 3>pictures of that's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was. That was twenty five years ago

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<v Speaker 1>and it's almost the same hair I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to post a side by side picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. By the way, the guy who did the Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>Right from Friends, didn't he do this original haird on you?

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<v Speaker 2>No he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Kelly cliinbed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought, did he ever? Do?

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<v Speaker 1>Want to know Kelly didn't cut this?

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I tested for There was a spinoff of

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<v Speaker 3>Friends with Matt LeBlanc Right called Joey Right, and I

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<v Speaker 3>tested to play his sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and got really close to getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It was between me and Geda Gershan and Debbie Mazar

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<v Speaker 3>and which was weird because we're all friends.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so difficult And.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they were like thinking about it and circling and

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<v Speaker 3>then they ended up just giving it to Dre D

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<v Speaker 3>Matteo in.

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<v Speaker 2>The Sopranos thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because of whatever, she's talented, because she's great. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a completely different way to go. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But while I was there, the part that the

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<v Speaker 3>part character was a hairdresser, and so it was so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So Chris McMillian, who's very famous hairdresser, did the chel

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<v Speaker 3>He did the Rachel among other things. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>in the dressing room and he came in to do

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<v Speaker 3>my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>And he came in to do my hair and he's

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<v Speaker 3>playing around with my hair and he goes, you want

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<v Speaker 3>me to cut it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like no, I mean I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like, I was just about to screen test

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<v Speaker 3>for this major show.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I want someone to cut my hair? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like no, and he goes, okay, and he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you And I knew he was someone from

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<v Speaker 3>the chrispick mellon team, right, and he said something and

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<v Speaker 3>he goes, well, you know i'm here, you might as

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<v Speaker 3>well take advantage of it. And I said, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a Chris mc millan and.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, yes, oh cut away, Oh you did get Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Cute, that wasn't this hair? Oh? By the way, this

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<v Speaker 2>is my favorite hair on you. You know, I love

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<v Speaker 2>this hair. You know why some people they need the

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<v Speaker 2>hair to augment the face or to cover the face,

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<v Speaker 2>or to cover the face, or to minimize the face. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well augment you can. Yeah, you you just need the

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<v Speaker 2>hair to go with the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, how much? How sweet? Is my husband?

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<v Speaker 2>Too good?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now? What does he want?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember on an episode of Housewives, everyone asked what's

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite body part of your significantly significant other?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone said vagina?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And they asked Brooks, right, and they asked me

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<v Speaker 2>about you and I said face, yeah, yeah, because that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>You really like me right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have a nice weekend. I think, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you look so good. And the hair is saga.

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<v Speaker 2>You love me. And the hair was perfect. That's fun. No,

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<v Speaker 2>And the hair's perfect. His hair was perfect? Werewolf of London? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many things in the news right now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>some very bad things and some very weird interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>like Carrie, Jim I keep you know's calling me? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about Jim Carrey. What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about Jim Carrey? And do you think about Jim care Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, I had heard it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, that it was Alexis Stone, that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>This a major impersonator and TMZ very talented. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's not him. I hear and DMZ called

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<v Speaker 2>me and said, oh no, no, no, we already know

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<v Speaker 2>it's him. He was there with this whole family and

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<v Speaker 2>eight other guests.

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<v Speaker 1>In his publicist I think, came out also and said

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<v Speaker 1>it's him.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's why I'll tell you what I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care, that's what I think. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I think Jim Carrey is an incredibly talented guy who

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<v Speaker 3>went to an awards thing with his family, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>why is the only take home about his looks? I

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I cannot stand the plastic surgery talk. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's gross. I think asking people what they've had

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<v Speaker 3>is gross. I think talking about people's looks is gross? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>why why do we have.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I mean, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably now you know, Bradley Cooper's best friend. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>because now no one's talking about Brad Cooper anymore. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's the new it's the new Brad Cooper moment. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>did someone else Let's just let's just I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>we can just ignore it and say, but let's just

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. I mean, everyone wants to know what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he have plastic surgery? And you know, obviously our

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<v Speaker 2>answer is no, one's business. It's rude, it's uncivilized, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is it's rude, it's uncivilized. But he does look

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<v Speaker 2>very different, so you know, and and everybody's gonna conject

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<v Speaker 2>pure and discuss and talk about it. I've already seen

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<v Speaker 2>all the idiot plastic surgeons online saying, yeah, I'm roll

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<v Speaker 2>up his umbrellain is on fat tram mid face. You

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<v Speaker 2>know they're all doing that, right, I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he does look different. My theory maybe is that

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever seen anyone in your entire life has

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<v Speaker 2>been able to contort their face as well as Jim Carrey?

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, I went on a GLP one

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<v Speaker 2>drug a while ago, and I lost weight very very quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>and your face changed, and my body skin changed and

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<v Speaker 2>my face changed a little bit. My body skin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so maybe that's part of whether he's done anything

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<v Speaker 2>or not. I mean, clearly, when you can do that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of insanity with your face, maybe it's just still

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<v Speaker 2>part and parcel of that process. I know that's not

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<v Speaker 2>really an answer.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying, maybe he con towarts his face so

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<v Speaker 3>much that it's sagged or aged weird. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>know there are people that just age differently than others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, it's true. But you know, without putting

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<v Speaker 2>to you find a point on it. Why are women

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<v Speaker 2>having things done and looking so amazing and men and

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<v Speaker 2>men are looking weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that all right? Not knowing who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>who and where everyone? And why?

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you the same surgeons are doing both. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's women and the men. The same three guys are

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<v Speaker 2>doing all these people. This is why I don't do celebrities,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to be judged and I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be part of that whole scene. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've said for years that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to do men completely, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to do men differently. But it's also you know,

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<v Speaker 3>also it's not one size fit all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you have to look at people differently.

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<v Speaker 3>If a woman has a very hooded upper eyelid and

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<v Speaker 3>that is her look, and you do an upper bluff

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<v Speaker 3>and you completely take away all the eyelid.

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<v Speaker 1>Skin, she will look different.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you should leave a little And I guess

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<v Speaker 3>it's the same thing for men. Men like, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 3>at your upper eyelids line right, you have upper eyelid skin.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you had your eyes done, you would specifically

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<v Speaker 3>tell them leave upper eyelid skin.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't take it all out, or I'm gonna look weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that take home messages. If you're a guy

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna have facial work done, say to the surgeon,

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<v Speaker 2>let's make this stage one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, get so they have a lighter hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Get me fifty percent of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>There, go to second base, not a home run.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave me with excess upper elid skin. Don't add volume

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<v Speaker 2>to my cheeks. Don't pull the neck completely tight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too feminizing. This is the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have a surgeon that's gonna do the same

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<v Speaker 3>exactly work on a man and a woman, the man

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<v Speaker 3>is going to look weird. Women look different. Women They

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<v Speaker 3>have faces are tighter, their eyes have less skin, they

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<v Speaker 3>have more volume in the cheek.

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<v Speaker 1>Than a guy. You can't do the same thing on

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<v Speaker 1>a dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fine. I've never been afraid to do men

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<v Speaker 2>because I always have always had such a light hand

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<v Speaker 2>anyway that i'd much rather a guy say to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I always tell the ill this. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to feminize your eyes. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave you with significant amount of a brylet hooting

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<v Speaker 2>like you did when you were nineteen. Okay, right, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's do this. Let's do this. If I leave

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<v Speaker 2>you with too much of brailid skin, I will take

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<v Speaker 2>more for free later. But you can't put it better, no, ken,

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<v Speaker 2>So less is more when it comes to a guy's pluss.

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<v Speaker 1>What else is going on? You've been so sweet to

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<v Speaker 1>me the last few days. Mean, well, look at my wrist.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that? Is that a skin test that you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm allergic to all hair dye except the one

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<v Speaker 3>that I use, and it's just the worst hair dye

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<v Speaker 3>and it really doesn't last.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the stuff in your hair. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know if you could see this, but

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<v Speaker 3>I have like a huge red raw patch on my

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<v Speaker 3>wrist from a patch test for a new hair color

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<v Speaker 3>that clearly I'm allergic to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so you didn't use it?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Okay, this was the patch test to see if

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<v Speaker 3>I could tolerate very sensitive, very yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Very sensitivo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna eat at Craigs tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna have the usual question.

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<v Speaker 3>Chop salad, extra corn, extra tomatoes, and a steak? Or

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<v Speaker 3>are you going to get chicken with hot mare and

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<v Speaker 3>Aarra sauce?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yu, he orders two things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you have your go to meal, right, ARTI Choke?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Craig will come by and visit art of.

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<v Speaker 1>Choke Pigs in a blanket.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And then maybe it's you love when Craig comes by.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sweet and he loves you and he's so nice

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, it makes you feel like you're

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<v Speaker 2>like something.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey, we all know you like being famous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, I think he's just great.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, he's great in the place in Patty there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love that Craigs is the best. You haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been to Craigs and you want to see some really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like our version of the Polo bar in Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 3>right that that is exactly what I would equate it to.

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, you know, interestingly, the Polar Bar has

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<v Speaker 3>been everywhere recently, a lot of celebrities and and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people talking about how you cannot get into

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<v Speaker 3>the Polar Bar. Yeah, that is the toughest I think,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the toughest restaurant get in Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just happy that the last several times that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been to Craigs, the pup Rozzi has taken pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's either because they've taken pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it, they didn't turn up anywhere. Let me ask you,

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<v Speaker 3>is this like if a tree falls in the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you a question. What's more important for

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<v Speaker 3>you the excitedness and edulation of having the flash bulbs

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<v Speaker 3>go up as you are walking into the restaurant or

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<v Speaker 3>is it having the photo out there? Because I got

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you something, nine out of ten times, even

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<v Speaker 3>if they take the photo, No, no, it's not that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a good picture. It doesn't go anywhere. No

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<v Speaker 3>one cares, no one buys it, and no one posts it.

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<v Speaker 3>No one cares. So do you just like the attention?

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<v Speaker 2>I like the flash bulbs going off as we're entering

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<v Speaker 2>into the road.

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<v Speaker 1>So that people in the restaurant know someone important.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rest you to Craigs. The door of Craigs

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<v Speaker 2>is a solid door, but above it is this window

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<v Speaker 2>pane transo window, transom window. That's what it's called. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And so when there's somebody of significance out in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Craigs walking, it goes flashbulb crazy and everybody kind

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<v Speaker 2>of looks at the door, Oh, who's that. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of flashball that you walk in,

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<v Speaker 2>people looking they go, oh, it's you.

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<v Speaker 3>So you love it because it's the modern day equivalent

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<v Speaker 3>to announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Entering or dub like that doctor and missus Sandwich has

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<v Speaker 2>come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know the era and dud Jesseph Dubrow coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so obvious. Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like an announcement. I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, someone asked me and Terry to be

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<v Speaker 3>on another show today and I can't say what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, but I don't know. I say it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for that. One last episode. We talked about anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>We did, yeah, and how we've dealt with it, how

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<v Speaker 3>I've dealt with it for years and all that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing. But I got a lot of questions about

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<v Speaker 3>it because I just think, I mean, look, especially.

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<v Speaker 1>With what's going on in the world right now, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has anxiety. Everyone has anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm I'm not. My scrolling is tripled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's crazy. Let's talk about anxiety. How would you say?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, for me, anxiety has.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruled a lot of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I started to tell this story last week

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<v Speaker 3>that when I was growing up, I always at stomach aches.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go to school. That was all anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had terrible anxiety in my twenties. Yeah, mess

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<v Speaker 3>anxiety like all so so bad. So I think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>much better now than I used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your but you have social anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm very shy and I'm sweet sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>He always tells that the family he's sweet. If he

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<v Speaker 3>everyone should describe it as sweet easy?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he going in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have social anxiety because I'm not very good

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<v Speaker 2>with chit chat small talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you don't really like people, then.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I like, I love people. When I

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<v Speaker 2>meet them in my office, I'm fascinated by them, wanting

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know everything about.

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<v Speaker 1>But outside of your note.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I go to a party, for example, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to make the small chit chat. I'm incredibly uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>And for example, there's there's a guy that lives in

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<v Speaker 2>this building. He's a very well known sort of well

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<v Speaker 2>known guy in Hollywood, and we're friendly with him. Every

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<v Speaker 2>time I see him, always say something stupid to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I regret it, I walk out go And so

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him the other day in the elevator, and

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<v Speaker 2>I went, do not say something stupid. So I basically

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<v Speaker 2>just said, how are you? What's new? And I complimented

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<v Speaker 2>him good And then he said what's new with me?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I said something like, well, I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to take my fitness to the next level. And so

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<v Speaker 2>he said something and then I said something stupid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like oversharing. Sometimes when I'm nervous, I overshare.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really bad at the chit chat. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really good at talking about you know. Do you do peptids? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>What peptides?

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<v Speaker 1>You do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Something with you know, substantial informative content.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think anxiety has limited you at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I don't think it's Uh No, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I have that kind of anxiety. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>like you are just you know, you're younger than you particularly,

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<v Speaker 2>but your generation and the generations before you were after you,

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<v Speaker 2>that anxiety is like you know, baseline, it's just an epidemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, Why do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, it'd be easy to try

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<v Speaker 2>to tie it to some socio political thing, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't know. Because you know, you had I can

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<v Speaker 2>understand the anxiety you had because you came out to

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood and there was always the big question mark. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>am I a fraud? Am I an imposter? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to work? Even though you were obviously so talented?

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately you got here, he got jobs and are you

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<v Speaker 2>know doing?

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<v Speaker 3>But I didn't have anxiety about it. I had, like

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<v Speaker 3>to me, you know, anxiety for me is a it's

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<v Speaker 3>part of my genetic makeup. It's biological.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, sometimes my anxiety can be situational, right, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's biology.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the problem that the problem is. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think situational anxiety is necessarily a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Because I think it's a problem if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have situational anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there always has to be.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are a person who has never experienced one

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<v Speaker 3>second of anxiety from anything in your whole life, I

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<v Speaker 3>almost think you might be a sociopath because something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the chance you'll be successful.

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<v Speaker 3>Is low if you don't have any Also, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something gives everyone anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>It does have to be terrible anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, going into a job, interview, speaking in

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<v Speaker 3>public for the first time, you know, usually auditioning for

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<v Speaker 3>a play.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all normal. What about just this free floating anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>that people have as a baseline.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrible and that is a biological thing. I had that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it starts off with little kids. The stomach aches. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>physical ailments can be about anxiety or dolgorm.

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<v Speaker 3>Maxis like that too, but she knows it so because

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>For me growing up, it wasn't discussed.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't figured out, and so you know, you always

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<v Speaker 3>find something else to attribute to it. So it's like

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<v Speaker 3>you're chasing shadows, right, you know, like, oh, your stomach

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<v Speaker 3>hurts because why because you're not eating breakfast, or because

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<v Speaker 3>you're eating too much break you know, whatever, it is

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, no, it's just anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>So the why of it, I don't think we'll ever

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<v Speaker 2>figure out. But the question is what do you do

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<v Speaker 2>about it?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do about it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I think the the obvious things are getting

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<v Speaker 2>more sly beat, right. I think exercise one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best remedies.

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<v Speaker 3>Run of the best remedies. You were a thousand percent correct.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always say to our kids, I wish I

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<v Speaker 3>had had the gift of fitness as a younger, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because that really would.

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<v Speaker 1>Have helped me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know even now, if I if it's a base,

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<v Speaker 3>like a nothing anxiety, like I have an audition and

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<v Speaker 3>like nerves excited, I will go on the elliptical machine

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<v Speaker 3>for thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like well it's like you know, kids or dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the zoomies out, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you go on.

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<v Speaker 3>The treadmill or whatever, and you just get a little

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<v Speaker 3>energy out and you feel a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think anxiety is best treated with exercise. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course there are men cages.

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<v Speaker 3>But the family I grew up in, it wasn't okay

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about meds or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they didn't want to admit to that WEEKENDSS

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<v Speaker 2>or something. But I think meds can be very helpful,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have to have side effects. Short term meds

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<v Speaker 2>are good for as I think, if you have I

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<v Speaker 2>remember this, I'm such a doctor. There was this thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I was about to go through that is anxiety provoking.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter who you are, even if you're a sociopath,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a little anxious about this. But I

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<v Speaker 2>knew it was going to be about six weeks of

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<v Speaker 2>severe anxiety. So in anticipation of that, I started myself

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<v Speaker 2>on lexapro and I just started taking it and it

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<v Speaker 2>worked for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, I saw but do I remember this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, and everybody and I remember my buddies got

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<v Speaker 2>foreman and saying what's with your personality? That the dampened

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<v Speaker 2>it just me. It made me very you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt no anxiety but I and that was nice. But

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have my usual bubble loubliness and craziness and silliness.

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<v Speaker 2>It got rid of all of that. And really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you remember this, and you said you need to get

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<v Speaker 2>off this. Yes, you're not arry anymore. I liked how

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<v Speaker 2>it felt, though, It's like nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bothered me, isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Have you ever tried that to the president?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Never, no, never. We talked about you on anti anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>medicaid when there was a time you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Before the kids, before we had kids. Yes, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get pregnant. Yes, yes, but we didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I first started having perimenopausal symptoms, my

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<v Speaker 3>then g yn wanted to put me on antidepressants because

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<v Speaker 3>that's what they were taught would help, right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>asked another friend of mine who was a g in surgeon,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, absolutely not. Don't go. That is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>help your.

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<v Speaker 3>Symptoms, and it's gonna you kill your libido and your

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<v Speaker 3>personality and you're gonna gain like all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>You've never been on an anti anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Medication, an antidepressant, you said, anxiety. I've never been on

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<v Speaker 1>anti I've never been on SSRI.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I've been on psychotropic medication.

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<v Speaker 1>What is vali in one of those?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wouldn't really call that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a benzer, but I will say to.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm talking about, you know, alexapro.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because I have to say I have had such

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<v Speaker 3>terrible bouts of anxiety. In my life, terrible debilidating anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not a depressive person, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Which no, I know, but.

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<v Speaker 3>So I never went on a antidepressive. But there was

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<v Speaker 3>a period of time in my twenties, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>this that when I got PMS, I was so anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I couldn't even breathe.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have episodes and so I would and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really sensitive to medications. So I would take like

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<v Speaker 3>a five milligram valume and break it into quarters and

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<v Speaker 3>take a quarter of one and I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it was a placebo. I have no idea, but

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<v Speaker 3>it fixed me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean for me. There was another period of

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<v Speaker 2>severe sort of situational anxiety, like during the global financial

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>crisis of two thousand and seven and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I found some things I found very useful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Buddhism, Yeah, and stoicism. You like reading.

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Quotes Buddhism really stoicism now, but Buddhism really resonated with

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<v Speaker 2>me and erased and deleted a lot of my anxiety.

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Just the whole concept of what are you doing. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not getting out if you're alive, you're dust. In the wind,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing that you're dust in the wind, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>wish you would have said, Oh my gosh, right, no

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<v Speaker 2>one's getting out of here alive. So it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any difference anyway, So I'm just going to relax and

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<v Speaker 2>go with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that we have helped each other through

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<v Speaker 3>anxiety and anxious periods of time?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? You? I remember the most useful thing you said

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<v Speaker 2>to me during global financial price don't pussy. You said,

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<v Speaker 2>get your shit together, don't be a pussy. And I

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<v Speaker 2>went and you appealed to the sort of testosterone laden

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>maleness in me, like get up, stand up and be

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<v Speaker 2>a man and move forward and do your thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I went, oh, right, right, yes, of course, do my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like you know that scene in a movie

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<v Speaker 2>where a woman shakes the man go go do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes and he just goes out there and

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<v Speaker 2>he kills the enemy. It was like that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>helped me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it did.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know it's funny because you know I I well,

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<v Speaker 3>I know after so many years together. But there's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just like with the kids, there's certain times someone needs

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<v Speaker 3>a hug and to be just taken care of, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's certain times they need the man up speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I are the woman up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be like misogynistic about this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm just saying you need the get up and

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<v Speaker 3>get it done speech. And I know with you that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I need. I never need a hug, Oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you do. I do. Do I need a hug?

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<v Speaker 1>You've needed hugs, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe when Shunky died.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been other times, and trust me, you have needed

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<v Speaker 1>hog times.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's interesting with the kids because as they get older,

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<v Speaker 3>it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Nikki had to have a little nothing procedure, not.

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<v Speaker 2>A big right. So I mean, if you think about

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<v Speaker 2>we have both extremely stressful careers. You're on the Housewives, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. I have felt massive anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>when you like before you go to the reunion and

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<v Speaker 2>in seasons you have any I have anxiety for you

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<v Speaker 2>in all day long. It's going, oh my gosh, one hours,

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<v Speaker 2>two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you wait to hear you have been texts.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you alive? You're good? And you know I obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I get I get very little intra operative. Well, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you deal with housewife anxiety. Okay, Well, others of

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<v Speaker 2>those on your cast sometimes take value at event apparently, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they come sedated.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is crazy. Not, by the way, not usually No,

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not everyone and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not usually right, but there have been a few isolated incidents,

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<v Speaker 3>right that that has happened. Yes, And I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bullshitty to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Show up man.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, you know, I'll get anxiety before a big

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<v Speaker 3>audition or something like that. But I relish that kind

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 3>of anxiety, right because it like spurs me on, right,

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.719
<v Speaker 3>and I need that energy and that kind of nervous

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 3>energy and my personality and all those things on Housewives.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just, man, the anxiety and Housewives is

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 3>a whole different animal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're you're going to an all cast event.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Someone looked at you sideways as they're walking by you

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<v Speaker 3>at a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they looking at me like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The but the reunions the worst.

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<v Speaker 3>Meaning I actually like the reunion because I'm good at

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<v Speaker 3>talking and I feel comfortable sitting there and just owning

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is and arguing out what needs to be

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 3>argued out or whatever it is. But I will spend

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 3>days before the reunion talking and arguing in my sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, all night long.

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>There's a it's worse than that, it's that oh like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we've mentioned this in a previous episode. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think the single best thing or situational anxiety or

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>even free floating anxiety is pro panel.

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>All love prop. Isn't that funny?

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<v Speaker 3>I've never taken propanal al before a reunion.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I I have taken it before I've testified

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>in court. Like I'm on the stand in a difficult

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 2>case and I walk in and I'm like.

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's exactly what you need it for, because you

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 3>need to be focused and clear.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.719
<v Speaker 2>And not distracted by yeah, anxiety.

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>But I'm still like game on. It's a performance.

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 3>I need my nerves and my personality to do it properly,

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<v Speaker 3>so I wouldn't want to be dampened at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for me, I don't have anxiety during surgery unless

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I'm dissecting in an area where

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you know i'll see suddenly I'm supposed to be above

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 2>the abdominal wall, because the abdominal wall is so compromised.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 2>There's a piece of intestine that's actually right there.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's like danger.

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I look at I go what is that? And I

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>keep going whoa, whoa, whoa, And it's a piece of intestine.

0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Had I gone two millimeters further, I would contaminate the

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>whole field and turn the operation into now like almost

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>a surgical emergency. Or every surgeon will tell you two

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 2>or three or four or more times if you did

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 2>my level surgical training where I did general surgery for

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>seven years, you know maybe thirty forty times in my

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 2>life where patient's literally dying in front of me and

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>you have to make the right decision.

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And that would give one anxiety.

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>And there's two levels of the anxiety. One you have

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<v Speaker 2>to make the right decision to try to save the person,

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and two you know that this decision will be comprehensively

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 2>reviewed and dissected at what they call morbidity Immortality conference

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>next week, where you're standing in front of the professors

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and they have residence and then you go, okay, we

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>add thirty operations last week, seventeen traumas, three deaths, two

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>cop two infections, and all they want to hear about

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>is the deaths and they want to determine and you

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>want to hopefully if you had a death in general surgery.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>The way you tell the story and the way it

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>came out is that it was just you did everything right,

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately they succumbed to their injury. But there's still

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you're still going to present that and you know it's

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>going to be a thing. So I when you have

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>that kind of anxiety.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Like anything else is nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a different kind of anxiety because you you

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.479
<v Speaker 2>can freeze, or make the wrong decision or be a

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>blithering idiot. And I've gotten pretty good at Like I

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>think if I were on the road and there was

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a I mean I've been on the road a few

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>times and somebody seizing in a car that was moving.

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<v Speaker 1>In a car with you.

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<v Speaker 2>No that I'm I'm walking on a road and a

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>person's having a seizure or driving their car. Yes, I've

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>had this happen and there they're puts not on the pedal,

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 2>but their car is moving.

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>What'd you do?

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 2>You? You know how you're right and you reach in

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and you put it in park or whatever?

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Done that?

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I did that?

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Once you did that?

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't you remember I've also had a person in

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a car that wasn't moving, that was seizing. Had that

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>one or two times that I've.

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Had to see people from choking.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 2>We know that people from choking, but by the way,

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that's more anxiety producing. I guess what scared me so

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>much in those in the back of my mind and

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>those Heimlich moments is that I'm trained to go to

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the next level. I really want to go to the

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>next level, which is you know, the surgical airway. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, I think You've helped me a lot with

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 3>my anxiety over the years, whether it was talking to

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 3>me about you could look back if you had a

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 3>crystal ball and dah da dadah, or even like helping

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 3>me be okay taking an anti anxiety medicine like the chip,

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 3>a valium or the panel all or whatever it was,

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 3>because to me, it was to fail to do that. Yeah, no,

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 3>because I didn't, because that's how I grew up. So

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 3>that was very helpful to me. We talked about this

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 3>last week. I think about the Marines and the whole

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>This is what I know. But I think the take

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 3>home for the message for the anxiety is you have

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 3>to find the thing that works for you, because it's

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 3>not a one size fits all things. Even amongst our kids,

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 3>a couple of them will get anxiety and it manifests

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 3>itself differently.

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>The way you talk to them, it's different.

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 3>You've got to find what works for you and what

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>your thing is, whether it's exercise, talking to yourself, talking

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 3>to a therapist, taking meds, whatever it is. But I mean, obviously,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, life is short. If I could go back

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>in time, one of the only things that would redo

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 3>is finding a better way to deal with anxiety at at.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>A at a younger age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is