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Speaker 2: Graham McCauley joining us right now to do a little

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Speaker 2: Braves talk. You can hear him on ninety two nine

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Speaker 2: the game down in atl also host of from the

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Speaker 3: So great, great to have you back on.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of the weekend for the Braves,

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Speaker 3: With the delay on what was that Saturday night?

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Speaker 1: I think the Braves just needed a win in whatever

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Speaker 4: What if when Ronald lcunyr Junior comes back, it's not

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Speaker 4: But you sit there and you go the current guys

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Speaker 1: And I talked about this on my show on Sunday

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Speaker 1: It took a year for him to get back to

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Speaker 1: better in my eyes, in whatever way that can be,

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Speaker 2: Snee right, we've got a loaded Ump Show segment. We're

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Speaker 4: I saw that too, gone.

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Speaker 2: Aj I shed a tear when I saw us post

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Speaker 3: You are a human being. He got it wrong. That

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Speaker 5: I thought it was great. I thought it was honest,

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Speaker 5: do I wish you would have used the curse words? No,

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Speaker 4: That they actually do care is cool and I like

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Speaker 2: This is why access is important. So the more of

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Speaker 2: we going to have you know, many umps leaving their

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Speaker 2: mics on like that? No, but umps miked up where

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Speaker 2: we can play it later on, you know, just more

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Speaker 3: Stuff like that to me is super cool. I'm all

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Speaker 2: People just want to hear what's happening on the field.

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Speaker 2: you guys both know Bill right, Aja, he's been around

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Speaker 5: Mm hm. He's fun, he's he's all right. He has

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Speaker 5: his good days and as bad days. He can get

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Speaker 5: with him. What's his name, Brett Lowry had a problem

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Speaker 5: Bill Miller went down like a you know something we

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Speaker 4: He is. He's quiet, and I think sometimes his quietness

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Speaker 4: He's not a big chatty guy. But I never had

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Speaker 2: Some people do have trouble focusing on multiple things at once.

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Speaker 2: This isn't a knock on him. He might just be

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Speaker 2: it actually makes umpires look really good when you hear

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Speaker 2: something like this. Again, Yeah, the cursing, Sure, do you

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what I want out of a

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Speaker 4: In Boston though. Two of the words that he said

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kindergartner first grade? Is is it in the curriculum?

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Speaker 4: Because they learn it in cursive first they learned how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move to someone who's using that word somewhat

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Speaker 2: frequently when it comes to getting into it with an umpire,

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Speaker 2: Max Scherzer, who's on the sixty day IL so he's

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Speaker 2: So CB got trolled by Max for those listening on

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Speaker 5: We used to do this all the time. We used

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Speaker 5: It's just funny to see Max do it. Actually in

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there was many times where you just just

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Speaker 4: Because you can't tell in and out all the time.

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Speaker 2: Since you're a game broadcaster here consistently, would you like

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean it was a nice hop. First of all,

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Speaker 5: Good bunt makes a play, jumps and still gets the

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Speaker 5: perfect execution of the out call. Some of some empires

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Speaker 5: know I love you Joe, But I don't think you're

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Speaker 5: You're good at once. You know you're a good guy,

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Speaker 5: guc And that was a perfect Wendel stat umpire school

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Speaker 3: Ryan McMahon went freaking for his legs.

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Speaker 2: I was dicey umps are going down and maybe breaking

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Speaker 3: Not Chris.

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Speaker 4: They got rid of that play that McMahon just had.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't need to check it out, Okay, behind the.

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Speaker 4: Dish, you have to. You have to go check it out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you need to text me the clip next

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Speaker 4: Good up just saying it was. It was popped up.

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Speaker 4: It was a fout off the catcher's mint mask and

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I need to see it lastly, Krats, you

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Speaker 2: What was the score for our perfect game?

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Speaker 4: Oh? It was? I mean it wasn't white perfect, but

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Speaker 4: it was kind of perfect close. Yeah, I mean ed winning.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 5: But Psychondres, Colorado's isn't a perfect game as much as

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Speaker 5: We can't call that a perfect game. There's two miss calls.

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Speaker 3: You're right, I take that back.

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Speaker 2: See I'm accountable, unlike MLB saying that you know they

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Speaker 5: I'll actually take that game though from the umpire like

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Speaker 5: that's a great called game. There's no complaints. He missed too,

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Speaker 5: and you're like they were borderline. But still, I mean

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Speaker 4: I don't know. He's not, he's not, he's not. Mark

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Speaker 4: this outing so great job, Edwig.

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Speaker 2: It was a complete game, shutout AJ with like one

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Speaker 2: hit a lab something like that.

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Speaker 3: It was an elite performance.

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Speaker 5: Not perfreat it was a great It was a great

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Speaker 5: game for him. He deserves credit for when when you

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Speaker 5: see this good of a game call, we deserve to

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Speaker 5: call it out.

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Speaker 4: Let's just not call it perfect, fair,