WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Gobekli Tepe 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.600 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 back to straight audio, So be warned. We sound a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.040 little different today than we do in what you're about 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:47.720 to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:57.680 You never know stories of things. We simply don't know 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:05.240 the answer too. Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:10.199 Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.880 and today we're going to talk about a mystery. A 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.840 mystery I know. We're gon we're gonna solve it. We're 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.959 we're not going to solve this one. This is like 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.160 strapping folks. Because it's a long one. So Ian Hotter 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.319 of Stanford University said of this that it changes everything. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.640 It overturns the whole apple cart, and all of our 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.320 theories are wrong. Okay, So radio carbon dating puts this 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.840 temple site roughly between ten thousand and nine thousand BC, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.160 which is like eleven to twelve thousand years old. Wait 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.680 what temple? Say that? Are you referring to this one 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.600 that we're going to talk about in a second. Calm down, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:54.080 mysterious Joe. For reference, more, time has elapsed between the 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.120 building of this site and the building of Stonehenge, then 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.040 elapsed between the building of Stonehenge, and now that's a 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.280 long time. Yeah, it's a really long time. Stonehenge was 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.720 built in three thousand BC. Yeah, that's a lot. That's 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.079 a long time. That's so that's way back. Yeah. So 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.280 this is for the generally accepted time frame of human evolution. Um, 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.200 the first Homo sapiens are like kind of starting to 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.960 appear at ten thousand BC. So we're kind of in 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.959 the like just walk starting to walk upright, using tools, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.440 making paintings, killing animals, kind of how stuff has self consciousness, 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.760 but we're still seeing cro magnut Man. We're solidly in 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.240 the Stone Age, and one archaeologist explained that this is 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.840 like finding out the three year old built the Empire 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.760 state building with legos. Okay, I like that. Yeah, I 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.040 like that analogy too. I think it's really perfect because 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.400 I think it's a little arrogant. It's it's like really 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.639 a put down of ancient man. I think Asian man 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.400 was a lot cleverer than a three year old. I 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.280 think they were capable of great things. Maybe maybe this, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.640 you know, in the reference of time and you know, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:03.799 you're you're growing up, understand what analogy? Yeah, so we're 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:09.280 talking about oh, yes, we would be, we would be 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.760 wouldn't talk h Yeah. So they call this the world 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:19.080 oldest temple or something or something something re example, we 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.720 don't know. We don't know. I mean, we just don't know. Okay. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:22.840 So I just want to get a little bit of 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.000 terminology out of the way because this trips me up 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.880 a lot when thinking about history and prehistory. Yeah, it's weird. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.239 It's a weird terminology. And the thing about it is 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.600 is that you know this. For the purposes of this episode, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.400 we're basically going to say history started when writing started, okay, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:46.200 which is a kind of an anthropological accepted use of 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:52.600 those terms. Again, everybody uses different things, but this for this, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.720 for this episode, we're gonna talk. We're gonna be talking 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.520 a lot about prehistory. And I just want to make 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.680 it clear that we're referring to a time before writing. Okay, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.080 let's or they started writing things. We have a recording 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.600 of events history. There is a little bit of history 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.160 from before because there were tales handed down by orally 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.680 for for many many generations. Sure, right, but those are 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.920 harder to track. They are very concrete, and yeah, I 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.320 understand why, Devin. So we're gonna use that. It's kind 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.760 of our our reference point. That is the reason where 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.680 it's from. So I just want to make it very 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.240 clear that for the it's just for the purposes of 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.719 this episode, we're going to be talking about prehistory a lot. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.320 I don't want everybody to know. We're not talking about 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.400 the dinosaurs. We're talking about a time before writing. Where 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.920 was the trace sarratos in this There weren't any dinosaurs 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.360 when this was built. I don't think so. I think 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.800 they were wiped out by then. I'm so, how do 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.240 you know, the dinosaurs didn't build this, I don't you 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.159 know what? And there's like, you know again, who knows? 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.000 All right, let's talk a little bit about what this 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.120 thing temple space site. Yeah, I think site is probably occurred. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.760 So it's in Turkey. It's two thousand, four hundred and 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.919 ninety three ft above sea level. It's on this hill 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:14.400 called god Beckley Tepee, which translates roughly into pot belly 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.200 hill or maybe navel of the Earth. It's what the 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.640 hill is called itself. So the site has been just 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.000 named after the hill that it was found on. Okay, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:29.320 So it's whereas we have let's say Mount Rushmore. They're saying, well, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.200 the name of it or Mount Everest would be better. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.800 You know. It's something that we recognize, got a name. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.840 It's like, oh and this is we're just calling it 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.080 what the name of that hill has always been. Yeah. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.599 So this, this hill has been called this for you 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.039 know ever since anybody can ever remember, I got it. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.800 The site itself is a series of rings um. Most 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.280 of these rings have two large stones that are like 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.359 T shaped pillars that are surrounded by a circle of 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.080 slightly smaller stones which face inward. The tall pillars are 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.520 usually about twenty feet high and way up to twenty tons. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.080 They're fitted into sockets that were either cut out of 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.479 the bedrock or um set into like a concrete like floor. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.760 There are more than two hundred pillars um in about 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.880 twenty circles. That's the current estimate through geophysical surveys. There 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.040 may be more, there may be less. They can't really 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.440 and the geophysical surveys correct me if I'm wrong. That's 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.279 basically where they're making a little rolling card that does 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:34.360 ultrasonic readings of what it sees underground. Yeah, done any 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.800 ground radar scans or anything like that. Yeah, so they've 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.680 done all that stuff. They're kind of trying to That's 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.960 as far as they can tell. That's what there is. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.960 But you know, again, as far as they can tell 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.080 from what they're seeing. Yeah, through what they're seeing, you know, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.000 there's you can only dig things up so fast, you know, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.920 and especially with a site like this, you don't want 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.440 to just like hurry it up already and get everything 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:58.839 out because who knows. Yeah, Okay, the stones, most of 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.840 them have carvings of animals on them in the stone, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.000 and the circles range from thirty two ft to eighty 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:16.120 nine ft in diameter. Yeah, thank you. Um, it's the difference, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.760 it turns out. And that's so we had this discussion 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.560 before we started recording. I didn't know what thirty two 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.920 ft was, you know, actually put it into physical form. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.560 You I joked, how many football fields is that? It's none? 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:35.760 So if you two rulers and yeah, so it's like 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.160 about the size of like those big r vs you see, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.800 or like a school school bus sort of yeah, about that, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.840 but also not tiny. No, So I don't know. And 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:54.520 when you say that it these have the T shaped pillars, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.280 is that what you call them? In the center? That 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.960 was really hard for me to understand. And and I 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.200 was looking at the photos. So when you say teeth 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.720 shaped pillar, it's not one piece of rock that's been 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.960 carved into a T, but it's two rocks set on 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.200 top of each other to make a T shape. To 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.880 one's long and skinny at the top, and then one 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.880 skinny and going down in the ground. Is that because 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.360 T shaped rock is a weird way to say it, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.440 we should clarify this as an upper case an upper 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.600 case T. And um, I'm actually not sure about that. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.000 I have the impression that some of them are one. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.960 I had thought that they were because if you look 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.480 at them, there there they and flat, and if you 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.200 try to stack them on top of one or another, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.880 it probably wouldn't work out that one. And again it's 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.520 I didn't I didn't get that impression from when I 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.560 looked at the photos of this, but I mean, I 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.080 don't know. It's my impression. Some of the accounts that 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:54.120 I read said that these stones would have been sixties 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.520 tons when they took them out of the quarry and 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.800 like brought them up. So it's my impression they brought 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:04.600 these one like giant carbon carved one giant unit. But 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.760 I mean, you know it, maybe that would be simpler. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.000 That's true. So that's the impression that I have, although 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.839 I can't tell you that I explicitly saw that anywhere. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.280 Um So, there are three layers of this thing. And 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.400 you know, we kind of had this discussion earlier to 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.360 about the impressions of layers, and I'm like sure that 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.319 the layers are just like different time, different gales, kind 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.400 of different like places on the hill, not that one 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.760 is like layered literally on top of the other. And 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.960 again that's just the impression I have and you know 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.480 there there there are to be three different structures, a 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.280 big medium with a small one. Well, there are lots 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:52.200 of different structures. There's there's like twenty. Yeah, so they're 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.439 they're different kinds of different eras. So the layer three 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.280 is the oldest um and the deepest, so like the 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.160 lowest on the hill um and it's where you see circles. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.320 The archaeologists suspect that they may have had roofs on 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.760 them at one point. What kind of roofs hatch? Maybe 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.559 nobody is really totally sure because there isn't any really 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.600 evidence of these things being left behind. So and then 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.880 you the kind of animal carvings you see in this 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.520 layer are basic animal reliefs. They look like this, dear listeners, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.360 you cannot see, but if you go to the website 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.440 you'll be able to see them. Yeah, they're just like 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:33.960 relief carving. Yeah, they're very simplistic basic relief. And by 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.720 the way, for anybody who doesn't know, relief means that 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:42.400 you carve away anything that is not going to be shown. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.680 So in the one we're looking at, it was a bird, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.800 so everything around the bird is carved away, so only 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.520 the bird is sticking forward, right, it's actually a tougher 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.160 way to do things. You know, it's a lot easier 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.360 to chisel a bird into a rock than the chisel 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.040 away everything that doesn't look like a bird rock and 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.760 that and and the the other ones that you see 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.240 are also released, but they're way more complex. This is 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.800 just like a basic one dimensional well three dimensional, but 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:10.480 like it's just flat basically. Um again, you know, it's amazing. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.440 I mean there's no evidence of tools, and then what 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.520 kind of tools did these guys use? So that's that's 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.400 pretty interesting. Yeah, So there are no humanoid figures that 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.319 are carved. They're all animals, although some people suggest that 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:29.119 the large T shapes are in fact the humanoid figures. Um. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.360 A lot of them have kind of arms at their sides, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.760 and we'll get into this theory a little bit more. Um, 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.080 but some of them have kind of like arms carved 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.640 into them a little bit. So some people think maybe 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.959 that they're supposed to be like human animal hybrids or 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.520 like kind of god esque figures like you would see 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.360 an ancient Egypt where they're like a human with a 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.880 something head okay or okay, so there's actually carvings of 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.679 on some of them on some of them, not all 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.720 of them. And I mean, you know, when we're looking 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.920 at a picture of one of the reliefs right now, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.840 when it's like a couple of different animals carved into 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.920 this one thing and there's no arms, and it doesn't 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.880 look like it's a representation of a human something hybrid. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.080 And that's what I was trying to understand is I'm thinking, Okay, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.000 was the stone itself, as in just the T shape 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.280 supposed to be a representation. Some people are kind of 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.360 talking about that a little bit, and again, you know, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:24.240 it's these are so old, it's kind of her It 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.120 seems unlikely though, because these guys seem good enough at 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.960 carving stone that if they wanted to really represent human being, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.439 they probably would have carved more detail and more accurate representation. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.160 Being um so layer to the structures, um start to 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.800 be more rectangular, so instead of being big circles, they're 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.520 they're kind of rectangles, which is consistent since they're younger, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.560 and rectangles are more efficient use of space. Um So 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.480 it's kind of you kind of see a development of 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:59.120 use of building. The Yeah, rectangles are easier to build 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.840 and easier to stabilized in a circle. Yeah, and they're 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.439 and they're more efficient. So and then the reliefs start 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.720 to look way more complex. They're like really three D 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.040 images that are carved out of this one stone still, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.280 so they're technically a relief, but they're really like full 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.840 on I guess, carvings on the rock like this is, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.520 which is really really interesting and really perhaps Yeah, it's 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.040 very Yeah, they're very intricate. It's no longer one dimensional 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.280 just raised out of the stone at just a set 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.400 distance away. Now we've got full depth almost, and not 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.520 a use of perspective, but a use of form and 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.360 and everything that you see in an animal in terms 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.600 of its shape and punct So I guess the way 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.240 to describe it is that the reliefs in the beginning, 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.280 the first ones are more like drawings. They look like 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.440 just drawings on a piece of paper, do you just 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.720 cut away? Yeah, these are like sculptures full on. Yeah, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.719 absolutely correct, Yeah, I agree with that. And then um, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.640 layer three, which is kind of the most oh I'm sorry, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.880 those they dated to be in like eight thousand BC. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.120 Maybe those structures. And then layer one, which I think 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.440 is like one of the most interesting parts, is all 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.800 backfill it's all this stuff they dug up so in 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.520 like eight thousand BC, they just filled everything in. So 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.160 now they filled in all three layers, all three of 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.680 these things covered the whole thing over. Yeah, they filled 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.640 everything in, or somebody filled everything and maybe the original 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.520 owners didn't do it. Yeah, you know that's and this 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.760 is kind of one of the most mysterious parts of 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.160 like why would you do that? You know, I mean, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.200 they're I can actually I can actually think of a 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.920 couple of reasons why this is just really interesting. They 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.680 think that they brought in filler from other places that 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.120 it's not like the feeling that they dug out of 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:01.440 these places, not just like yeah, and it's not like 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.600 because you know, these are all all these spaces are 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.520 like in the earth a little bit, all of these structures, um, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.720 so it's not like the stuff they pulled out of 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.040 these holes that they dug to build in. It's like 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.560 stuff from kind of far away teams have they actually 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.520 like taken the samples of some of the stuff and 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.960 gone around and done geological surveys to see if they 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.240 can figure out where it came from. Yeah, and they 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.720 found debris from up to like a hundred miles away. UM. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.040 So that you know, that supports some theories that people 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.200 have about these but it's it's it wasn't intentional. It 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.480 was intentional that they filled this in. It was, yeah, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.600 and it seems to have been a really peaceful filling, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.880 if that makes sense. That, like, if it was a 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.280 group that wasn't the group that was in charge of 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.160 this place or that built this place, they were very 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.600 respectful of it. They took the time to really fill 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.080 it in and try and make sure that all the 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.160 stones were filled in really well, almost as if they 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:02.920 were preserving it, which is really interesting. U. Yeah, maybe, 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.200 you know, it's I just think it's a really interesting 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.280 given where we were in the like again, you know, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.240 I'm going to say yeah, I'm gonna say yeah, I'm 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.680 gonna use the term currently accepted because I think that 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.640 this is the big interesting part of this is that 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.680 it may force us to reconsider how human evolution happened 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.880 and when it happened, which, by the way, we probably 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.400 had to be doing all the time because pops up 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.240 all the time. So it doesn't according to my science 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:38.240 book from fifth grade. So the UM they've only excavated 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.960 like five percent. They think of this structure, so there's 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.880 a lot to go. There's a lot to go, so 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.480 there may be more stuff that we find concluding alien artifacts. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.520 How long have they been digging this thing up? Um? 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.080 So they found it in uh and I don't think 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.080 they started digging it up until a couple of years 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.040 after that, and it's been kind of touch and go. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.720 And as far as them actually people actually excavating it, 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.560 but I mean, you know, more than five years, and 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.200 if it's in Turkey, you gotta think. Okay, well, if 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.520 we think about we always see those TV shows where 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.640 let's say it's somewhere in Egypt, they're they're rapidly digging 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.200 everything up. And the one thing that nobody ever talks 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.760 about usually they can't excavate all year long because in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.640 the summer in anywhere that's in this part of the world, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.440 it's super hot. Yeah I know that gets cold, the 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.640 cold and rainy, so you can't dig up. So I'm 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.160 guessing best six months a year they can do. Yeah, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.119 I don't forget, like you know, archaeologists, they can't just 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.639 go in there with the pick acts and the shovel. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.800 They usually work with a plastic spoon from McDonald's and 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.560 a fresh about the size of what they like script, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.800 you know, to stop and make notes in the notebook 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.399 and well and on top of that, since they found 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.960 that like this was intentionally backfilled. You know, often in 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.520 archaeological sites like this, if they're if you know, it's 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.879 like these big moolithic stones, you can kind of just 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.080 like you don't totally discard what you're finding, but you 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.840 don't really have to worry so much about that, And 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.960 like this they're saying, well, like this is part of it. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.119 We have to preserve literally every bit of rock that 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.560 comes out of this place, just you know, see if 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.640 we can find out any information from any of it. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:22.480 Um Days of Indiana, Jones grab the most valuable items 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:28.440 and ran out. Yeah. Unfortunately, Yeah, they've radio carbon dated 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.960 this place, and you know, people are just really astounded 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:38.160 that it exists. I mean, conservative estimates put the invention 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.840 of the wheel um two thousand years after the building 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.239 of this place. You know, I've seen these images of 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.080 people like using logs and they're like rolling these stones along. 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.919 But you know, and I don't know, I don't know 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.240 when people figured out that that worked. I think that 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.800 probably the first time somebody stepped on a round rock. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.399 This sip the whale is probably invented and then lost 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.000 and invented, lost many times during human history. Yeah, okay, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.600 so so I don't know that. How old did they say? 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:15.240 This is ten BC? So eleven to twelve thousand years old. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.199 They've estimated it would have taken five men per pillar 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.080 to move it from the quarry. We're talking about just 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.239 lifting and lifting and caring or pushing again. I mean, 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:29.280 you know, it's like tons rock. Good luck at five 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.240 men underneath it. Yeah, Like it's just I mean, it's 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.600 it's a giant project. And you know, we're still in 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.720 our hunter gatherer phase. We're not really starting with big 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.880 tribes or anything like that. For you know, that many 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.960 people to have worked towards something that wasn't necessary for 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:52.280 survival is kind of mind boggling in a way. Yeah. 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.440 You know, it makes you wonder too if they actually 0:19:55.480 --> 0:20:00.800 had domesticated some beasts of burden. Yeah, that a little bit. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.560 I just think you know, the thing, one of the 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.480 things that makes this place so interesting is that, you know, yeah, 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.040 it's a massive amount of work, but people aren't really like, well, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.760 it's totally unreasonable that people could have moved those stones. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.080 You know, we're not talking about Stonehenge where we're like, well, 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.919 how did they get them on top of their you know, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.880 like that's okay, those are big stones and people moved 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.080 them and you know whatever, and that's a mystery and 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.000 of itself. But we can understand how people could have 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.720 moved these But that's like more people than we thought 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.200 like would have been together in a spot, working towards 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:38.320 a common goal, you know. And and you know, we 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.800 think of these people as like kind of figuring out 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.280 how like the bone arrow works, but not really concerned 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.359 about their spiritual well being. Right, So that's you know, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.680 another part of it is that if it were clearly 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.800 a place where you know, everybody was hunting people and 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.840 or hunting animals and you know, it was a survival place, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.879 it would make more sense. But it's it doesn't seem 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.600 to be that, and so that's really astounding, it is. 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.520 But here's here's the thing that bothers me. Whenever we're 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:17.159 looking at a monolithic site, so we always say that 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.800 it is X number years old, and that is always 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:27.639 based on radio carbon dating. The thing that bothers me, 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.280 and I think I mentioned this to you guys before 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.119 is when we've done monolithic science is something never I 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.520 can never wrap my head around. I finally figured out 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.040 what it is, which is my problem is is that 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:44.960 carbon dating can only be done to biological material. So 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.359 if it's a stone, we can't carbon date it because 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.840 it's eons old, because it's a hunk on the earth. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.840 So all we can do is whatever organic material we 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.879 find at the site is what we can base our 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.679 dates upon. The reason that we can't do it on 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.840 anything but organic material is because the way carbon dating 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.879 works is we all have carbon in us, and we 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:17.040 were carbon based life forms. Okay, um, but we all 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.040 have carbon twelve in us, but there is what's called 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.280 carbon fourteen which is present in all of us, but 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.680 in very small amounts. And carbon fourteen has this half 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:32.800 life of five thousand, seven hun some odd years basically 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.959 fifty years, and that's it's half life. So they know 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.880 the approximate amount of carbon fourteen that's in the air, 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.600 in the atmosphere and implants at that time, so they 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.439 know how much should be there, and then they do 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.120 the math from there how much of it is broken down? Okay, well, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.680 that's that makes sense. But then if we're going into 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.760 a site that's all stone, there's not a lot of 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.800 biological material left over, and especially on a site like 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.879 this where it's been backfill. I've got it, and and 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:07.119 not that I don't recognize how phenomenal the site is, 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.560 but I've got to ask how sure are we of 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.320