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Speaker 1: the answer too. Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: and today we're going to talk about a mystery. A
Speaker 1: mystery I know. We're gon we're gonna solve it. We're
Speaker 1: we're not going to solve this one. This is like
Speaker 1: strapping folks. Because it's a long one. So Ian Hotter
Speaker 1: of Stanford University said of this that it changes everything.
Speaker 1: It overturns the whole apple cart, and all of our
Speaker 1: theories are wrong. Okay, So radio carbon dating puts this
Speaker 1: temple site roughly between ten thousand and nine thousand BC,
Speaker 1: which is like eleven to twelve thousand years old. Wait
Speaker 1: what temple? Say that? Are you referring to this one
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about in a second. Calm down,
Speaker 1: mysterious Joe. For reference, more, time has elapsed between the
Speaker 1: building of this site and the building of Stonehenge, then
Speaker 1: elapsed between the building of Stonehenge, and now that's a
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, it's a really long time. Stonehenge was
Speaker 1: built in three thousand BC. Yeah, that's a lot. That's
Speaker 1: a long time. That's so that's way back. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: this is for the generally accepted time frame of human evolution. Um,
Speaker 1: the first Homo sapiens are like kind of starting to
Speaker 1: appear at ten thousand BC. So we're kind of in
Speaker 1: the like just walk starting to walk upright, using tools,
Speaker 1: making paintings, killing animals, kind of how stuff has self consciousness,
Speaker 1: but we're still seeing cro magnut Man. We're solidly in
Speaker 1: the Stone Age, and one archaeologist explained that this is
Speaker 1: like finding out the three year old built the Empire
Speaker 1: state building with legos. Okay, I like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that analogy too. I think it's really perfect because
Speaker 1: I think it's a little arrogant. It's it's like really
Speaker 1: a put down of ancient man. I think Asian man
Speaker 1: was a lot cleverer than a three year old. I
Speaker 1: think they were capable of great things. Maybe maybe this,
Speaker 1: you know, in the reference of time and you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're growing up, understand what analogy? Yeah, so we're
Speaker 1: talking about oh, yes, we would be, we would be
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk h Yeah. So they call this the world
Speaker 1: oldest temple or something or something something re example, we
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know. I mean, we just don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I just want to get a little bit of
Speaker 1: terminology out of the way because this trips me up
Speaker 1: a lot when thinking about history and prehistory. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's a weird terminology. And the thing about it is
Speaker 1: is that you know this. For the purposes of this episode,
Speaker 1: we're basically going to say history started when writing started, okay,
Speaker 1: which is a kind of an anthropological accepted use of
Speaker 1: those terms. Again, everybody uses different things, but this for this,
Speaker 1: for this episode, we're gonna talk. We're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: a lot about prehistory. And I just want to make
Speaker 1: it clear that we're referring to a time before writing. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's or they started writing things. We have a recording
Speaker 1: of events history. There is a little bit of history
Speaker 1: from before because there were tales handed down by orally
Speaker 1: for for many many generations. Sure, right, but those are
Speaker 1: harder to track. They are very concrete, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand why, Devin. So we're gonna use that. It's kind
Speaker 1: of our our reference point. That is the reason where
Speaker 1: it's from. So I just want to make it very
Speaker 1: clear that for the it's just for the purposes of
Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to be talking about prehistory a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't want everybody to know. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs. We're talking about a time before writing. Where
Speaker 1: was the trace sarratos in this There weren't any dinosaurs
Speaker 1: when this was built. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: they were wiped out by then. I'm so, how do
Speaker 1: you know, the dinosaurs didn't build this, I don't you
Speaker 1: know what? And there's like, you know again, who knows?
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about what this
Speaker 1: thing temple space site. Yeah, I think site is probably occurred.
Speaker 1: So it's in Turkey. It's two thousand, four hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety three ft above sea level. It's on this hill
Speaker 1: called god Beckley Tepee, which translates roughly into pot belly
Speaker 1: hill or maybe navel of the Earth. It's what the
Speaker 1: hill is called itself. So the site has been just
Speaker 1: named after the hill that it was found on. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's whereas we have let's say Mount Rushmore. They're saying, well,
Speaker 1: the name of it or Mount Everest would be better.
Speaker 1: You know. It's something that we recognize, got a name.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh and this is we're just calling it
Speaker 1: what the name of that hill has always been. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this, this hill has been called this for you
Speaker 1: know ever since anybody can ever remember, I got it.
Speaker 1: The site itself is a series of rings um. Most
Speaker 1: of these rings have two large stones that are like
Speaker 1: T shaped pillars that are surrounded by a circle of
Speaker 1: slightly smaller stones which face inward. The tall pillars are
Speaker 1: usually about twenty feet high and way up to twenty tons.
Speaker 1: They're fitted into sockets that were either cut out of
Speaker 1: the bedrock or um set into like a concrete like floor.
Speaker 1: There are more than two hundred pillars um in about
Speaker 1: twenty circles. That's the current estimate through geophysical surveys. There
Speaker 1: may be more, there may be less. They can't really
Speaker 1: and the geophysical surveys correct me if I'm wrong. That's
Speaker 1: basically where they're making a little rolling card that does
Speaker 1: ultrasonic readings of what it sees underground. Yeah, done any
Speaker 1: ground radar scans or anything like that. Yeah, so they've
Speaker 1: done all that stuff. They're kind of trying to That's
Speaker 1: as far as they can tell. That's what there is.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, as far as they can tell
Speaker 1: from what they're seeing. Yeah, through what they're seeing, you know,
Speaker 1: there's you can only dig things up so fast, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially with a site like this, you don't want
Speaker 1: to just like hurry it up already and get everything
Speaker 1: out because who knows. Yeah, Okay, the stones, most of
Speaker 1: them have carvings of animals on them in the stone,
Speaker 1: and the circles range from thirty two ft to eighty
Speaker 1: nine ft in diameter. Yeah, thank you. Um, it's the difference,
Speaker 1: it turns out. And that's so we had this discussion
Speaker 1: before we started recording. I didn't know what thirty two
Speaker 1: ft was, you know, actually put it into physical form.
Speaker 1: You I joked, how many football fields is that? It's none?
Speaker 1: So if you two rulers and yeah, so it's like
Speaker 1: about the size of like those big r vs you see,
Speaker 1: or like a school school bus sort of yeah, about that,
Speaker 1: but also not tiny. No, So I don't know. And
Speaker 1: when you say that it these have the T shaped pillars,
Speaker 1: is that what you call them? In the center? That
Speaker 1: was really hard for me to understand. And and I
Speaker 1: was looking at the photos. So when you say teeth
Speaker 1: shaped pillar, it's not one piece of rock that's been
Speaker 1: carved into a T, but it's two rocks set on
Speaker 1: top of each other to make a T shape. To
Speaker 1: one's long and skinny at the top, and then one
Speaker 1: skinny and going down in the ground. Is that because
Speaker 1: T shaped rock is a weird way to say it,
Speaker 1: we should clarify this as an upper case an upper
Speaker 1: case T. And um, I'm actually not sure about that.
Speaker 1: I have the impression that some of them are one.
Speaker 1: I had thought that they were because if you look
Speaker 1: at them, there there they and flat, and if you
Speaker 1: try to stack them on top of one or another,
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't work out that one. And again it's
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get that impression from when I
Speaker 1: looked at the photos of this, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's my impression. Some of the accounts that
Speaker 1: I read said that these stones would have been sixties
Speaker 1: tons when they took them out of the quarry and
Speaker 1: like brought them up. So it's my impression they brought
Speaker 1: these one like giant carbon carved one giant unit. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it, maybe that would be simpler.
Speaker 1: That's true. So that's the impression that I have, although
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that I explicitly saw that anywhere.
Speaker 1: Um So, there are three layers of this thing. And
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of had this discussion earlier to
Speaker 1: about the impressions of layers, and I'm like sure that
Speaker 1: the layers are just like different time, different gales, kind
Speaker 1: of different like places on the hill, not that one
Speaker 1: is like layered literally on top of the other. And
Speaker 1: again that's just the impression I have and you know
Speaker 1: there there there are to be three different structures, a
Speaker 1: big medium with a small one. Well, there are lots
Speaker 1: of different structures. There's there's like twenty. Yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: they're different kinds of different eras. So the layer three
Speaker 1: is the oldest um and the deepest, so like the
Speaker 1: lowest on the hill um and it's where you see circles.
Speaker 1: The archaeologists suspect that they may have had roofs on
Speaker 1: them at one point. What kind of roofs hatch? Maybe
Speaker 1: nobody is really totally sure because there isn't any really
Speaker 1: evidence of these things being left behind. So and then
Speaker 1: you the kind of animal carvings you see in this
Speaker 1: layer are basic animal reliefs. They look like this, dear listeners,
Speaker 1: you cannot see, but if you go to the website
Speaker 1: you'll be able to see them. Yeah, they're just like
Speaker 1: relief carving. Yeah, they're very simplistic basic relief. And by
Speaker 1: the way, for anybody who doesn't know, relief means that
Speaker 1: you carve away anything that is not going to be shown.
Speaker 1: So in the one we're looking at, it was a bird,
Speaker 1: so everything around the bird is carved away, so only
Speaker 1: the bird is sticking forward, right, it's actually a tougher
Speaker 1: way to do things. You know, it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to chisel a bird into a rock than the chisel
Speaker 1: away everything that doesn't look like a bird rock and
Speaker 1: that and and the the other ones that you see
Speaker 1: are also released, but they're way more complex. This is
Speaker 1: just like a basic one dimensional well three dimensional, but
Speaker 1: like it's just flat basically. Um again, you know, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean there's no evidence of tools, and then what
Speaker 1: kind of tools did these guys use? So that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Yeah, So there are no humanoid figures that
Speaker 1: are carved. They're all animals, although some people suggest that
Speaker 1: the large T shapes are in fact the humanoid figures. Um.
Speaker 1: A lot of them have kind of arms at their sides,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this theory a little bit more. Um,
Speaker 1: but some of them have kind of like arms carved
Speaker 1: into them a little bit. So some people think maybe
Speaker 1: that they're supposed to be like human animal hybrids or
Speaker 1: like kind of god esque figures like you would see
Speaker 1: an ancient Egypt where they're like a human with a
Speaker 1: something head okay or okay, so there's actually carvings of
Speaker 1: on some of them on some of them, not all
Speaker 1: of them. And I mean, you know, when we're looking
Speaker 1: at a picture of one of the reliefs right now,
Speaker 1: when it's like a couple of different animals carved into
Speaker 1: this one thing and there's no arms, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like it's a representation of a human something hybrid.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was trying to understand is I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: was the stone itself, as in just the T shape
Speaker 1: supposed to be a representation. Some people are kind of
Speaker 1: talking about that a little bit, and again, you know,
Speaker 1: it's these are so old, it's kind of her It
Speaker 1: seems unlikely though, because these guys seem good enough at
Speaker 1: carving stone that if they wanted to really represent human being,
Speaker 1: they probably would have carved more detail and more accurate representation.
Speaker 1: Being um so layer to the structures, um start to
Speaker 1: be more rectangular, so instead of being big circles, they're
Speaker 1: they're kind of rectangles, which is consistent since they're younger,
Speaker 1: and rectangles are more efficient use of space. Um So
Speaker 1: it's kind of you kind of see a development of
Speaker 1: use of building. The Yeah, rectangles are easier to build
Speaker 1: and easier to stabilized in a circle. Yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: and they're more efficient. So and then the reliefs start
Speaker 1: to look way more complex. They're like really three D
Speaker 1: images that are carved out of this one stone still,
Speaker 1: so they're technically a relief, but they're really like full
Speaker 1: on I guess, carvings on the rock like this is,
Speaker 1: which is really really interesting and really perhaps Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very Yeah, they're very intricate. It's no longer one dimensional
Speaker 1: just raised out of the stone at just a set
Speaker 1: distance away. Now we've got full depth almost, and not
Speaker 1: a use of perspective, but a use of form and
Speaker 1: and everything that you see in an animal in terms
Speaker 1: of its shape and punct So I guess the way
Speaker 1: to describe it is that the reliefs in the beginning,
Speaker 1: the first ones are more like drawings. They look like
Speaker 1: just drawings on a piece of paper, do you just
Speaker 1: cut away? Yeah, these are like sculptures full on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely correct, Yeah, I agree with that. And then um,
Speaker 1: layer three, which is kind of the most oh I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: those they dated to be in like eight thousand BC.
Speaker 1: Maybe those structures. And then layer one, which I think
Speaker 1: is like one of the most interesting parts, is all
Speaker 1: backfill it's all this stuff they dug up so in
Speaker 1: like eight thousand BC, they just filled everything in. So
Speaker 1: now they filled in all three layers, all three of
Speaker 1: these things covered the whole thing over. Yeah, they filled
Speaker 1: everything in, or somebody filled everything and maybe the original
Speaker 1: owners didn't do it. Yeah, you know that's and this
Speaker 1: is kind of one of the most mysterious parts of
Speaker 1: like why would you do that? You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're I can actually I can actually think of a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons why this is just really interesting. They
Speaker 1: think that they brought in filler from other places that
Speaker 1: it's not like the feeling that they dug out of
Speaker 1: these places, not just like yeah, and it's not like
Speaker 1: because you know, these are all all these spaces are
Speaker 1: like in the earth a little bit, all of these structures, um,
Speaker 1: so it's not like the stuff they pulled out of
Speaker 1: these holes that they dug to build in. It's like
Speaker 1: stuff from kind of far away teams have they actually
Speaker 1: like taken the samples of some of the stuff and
Speaker 1: gone around and done geological surveys to see if they
Speaker 1: can figure out where it came from. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: found debris from up to like a hundred miles away. UM.
Speaker 1: So that you know, that supports some theories that people
Speaker 1: have about these but it's it's it wasn't intentional. It
Speaker 1: was intentional that they filled this in. It was, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it seems to have been a really peaceful filling,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. That, like, if it was a
Speaker 1: group that wasn't the group that was in charge of
Speaker 1: this place or that built this place, they were very
Speaker 1: respectful of it. They took the time to really fill
Speaker 1: it in and try and make sure that all the
Speaker 1: stones were filled in really well, almost as if they
Speaker 1: were preserving it, which is really interesting. U. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I just think it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: given where we were in the like again, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say yeah, I'm gonna say yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use the term currently accepted because I think that
Speaker 1: this is the big interesting part of this is that
Speaker 1: it may force us to reconsider how human evolution happened
Speaker 1: and when it happened, which, by the way, we probably
Speaker 1: had to be doing all the time because pops up
Speaker 1: all the time. So it doesn't according to my science
Speaker 1: book from fifth grade. So the UM they've only excavated
Speaker 1: like five percent. They think of this structure, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot to go. There's a lot to go, so
Speaker 1: there may be more stuff that we find concluding alien artifacts.
Speaker 1: How long have they been digging this thing up? Um?
Speaker 1: So they found it in uh and I don't think
Speaker 1: they started digging it up until a couple of years
Speaker 1: after that, and it's been kind of touch and go.
Speaker 1: And as far as them actually people actually excavating it,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, more than five years, and
Speaker 1: if it's in Turkey, you gotta think. Okay, well, if
Speaker 1: we think about we always see those TV shows where
Speaker 1: let's say it's somewhere in Egypt, they're they're rapidly digging
Speaker 1: everything up. And the one thing that nobody ever talks
Speaker 1: about usually they can't excavate all year long because in
Speaker 1: the summer in anywhere that's in this part of the world,
Speaker 1: it's super hot. Yeah I know that gets cold, the
Speaker 1: cold and rainy, so you can't dig up. So I'm
Speaker 1: guessing best six months a year they can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't forget, like you know, archaeologists, they can't just
Speaker 1: go in there with the pick acts and the shovel.
Speaker 1: They usually work with a plastic spoon from McDonald's and
Speaker 1: a fresh about the size of what they like script,
Speaker 1: you know, to stop and make notes in the notebook
Speaker 1: and well and on top of that, since they found
Speaker 1: that like this was intentionally backfilled. You know, often in
Speaker 1: archaeological sites like this, if they're if you know, it's
Speaker 1: like these big moolithic stones, you can kind of just
Speaker 1: like you don't totally discard what you're finding, but you
Speaker 1: don't really have to worry so much about that, And
Speaker 1: like this they're saying, well, like this is part of it.
Speaker 1: We have to preserve literally every bit of rock that
Speaker 1: comes out of this place, just you know, see if
Speaker 1: we can find out any information from any of it.
Speaker 1: Um Days of Indiana, Jones grab the most valuable items
Speaker 1: and ran out. Yeah. Unfortunately, Yeah, they've radio carbon dated
Speaker 1: this place, and you know, people are just really astounded
Speaker 1: that it exists. I mean, conservative estimates put the invention
Speaker 1: of the wheel um two thousand years after the building
Speaker 1: of this place. You know, I've seen these images of
Speaker 1: people like using logs and they're like rolling these stones along.
Speaker 1: But you know, and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: when people figured out that that worked. I think that
Speaker 1: probably the first time somebody stepped on a round rock.
Speaker 1: This sip the whale is probably invented and then lost
Speaker 1: and invented, lost many times during human history. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so so I don't know that. How old did they say?
Speaker 1: This is ten BC? So eleven to twelve thousand years old.
Speaker 1: They've estimated it would have taken five men per pillar
Speaker 1: to move it from the quarry. We're talking about just
Speaker 1: lifting and lifting and caring or pushing again. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like tons rock. Good luck at five
Speaker 1: men underneath it. Yeah, Like it's just I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's a giant project. And you know, we're still in
Speaker 1: our hunter gatherer phase. We're not really starting with big
Speaker 1: tribes or anything like that. For you know, that many
Speaker 1: people to have worked towards something that wasn't necessary for
Speaker 1: survival is kind of mind boggling in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it makes you wonder too if they actually
Speaker 1: had domesticated some beasts of burden. Yeah, that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just think you know, the thing, one of the
Speaker 1: things that makes this place so interesting is that, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a massive amount of work, but people aren't really like, well,
Speaker 1: it's totally unreasonable that people could have moved those stones.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about Stonehenge where we're like, well,
Speaker 1: how did they get them on top of their you know,
Speaker 1: like that's okay, those are big stones and people moved
Speaker 1: them and you know whatever, and that's a mystery and
Speaker 1: of itself. But we can understand how people could have
Speaker 1: moved these But that's like more people than we thought
Speaker 1: like would have been together in a spot, working towards
Speaker 1: a common goal, you know. And and you know, we
Speaker 1: think of these people as like kind of figuring out
Speaker 1: how like the bone arrow works, but not really concerned
Speaker 1: about their spiritual well being. Right, So that's you know,
Speaker 1: another part of it is that if it were clearly
Speaker 1: a place where you know, everybody was hunting people and
Speaker 1: or hunting animals and you know, it was a survival place,
Speaker 1: it would make more sense. But it's it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be that, and so that's really astounding, it is.
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that bothers me. Whenever we're
Speaker 1: looking at a monolithic site, so we always say that
Speaker 1: it is X number years old, and that is always
Speaker 1: based on radio carbon dating. The thing that bothers me,
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this to you guys before
Speaker 1: is when we've done monolithic science is something never I
Speaker 1: can never wrap my head around. I finally figured out
Speaker 1: what it is, which is my problem is is that
Speaker 1: carbon dating can only be done to biological material. So
Speaker 1: if it's a stone, we can't carbon date it because
Speaker 1: it's eons old, because it's a hunk on the earth.
Speaker 1: So all we can do is whatever organic material we
Speaker 1: find at the site is what we can base our
Speaker 1: dates upon. The reason that we can't do it on
Speaker 1: anything but organic material is because the way carbon dating
Speaker 1: works is we all have carbon in us, and we
Speaker 1: were carbon based life forms. Okay, um, but we all
Speaker 1: have carbon twelve in us, but there is what's called
Speaker 1: carbon fourteen which is present in all of us, but
Speaker 1: in very small amounts. And carbon fourteen has this half
Speaker 1: life of five thousand, seven hun some odd years basically
Speaker 1: fifty years, and that's it's half life. So they know
Speaker 1: the approximate amount of carbon fourteen that's in the air,
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere and implants at that time, so they
Speaker 1: know how much should be there, and then they do
Speaker 1: the math from there how much of it is broken down? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that's that makes sense. But then if we're going into
Speaker 1: a site that's all stone, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: biological material left over, and especially on a site like
Speaker 1: this where it's been backfill. I've got it, and and
Speaker 1: not that I don't recognize how phenomenal the site is,
Speaker 1: but I've got to ask how sure are we of
Speaker 1: this number? Because these pieces of material that we're dating,
Speaker 1: which there's not a whole lot of it, it sounds
Speaker 1: like that they're finding if it's backfilled and they're digging
Speaker 1: up somewhere else to cart material in. Well, that could
Speaker 1: be older material that's in the ground, older organic material.
Speaker 1: It's already been breaking down for god knows how long
Speaker 1: this transferred in. So but this is the one that
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes me question the whole date. I
Speaker 1: and s it's amazing if it's as old as they
Speaker 1: say it are. But I wonder. But you know, you uh,
Speaker 1: I know that from my own experience, like safe you get,
Speaker 1: you know about my pile of concrete slabs in my driveways,
Speaker 1: keeping organic material out of that it's hard. So if
Speaker 1: they chills it up, all this rocket busted up, all
Speaker 1: this rock froods somewhere else and transported to the site
Speaker 1: and up it in It's almost a certainty that some
Speaker 1: leaves and stuff like that would get in there, you know,
Speaker 1: And so maybe that's what they're basing they're dating on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure again, but it could be.
Speaker 1: It could be that they went down the other side
Speaker 1: of the hill and they started digging a hole and
Speaker 1: they got some old stuff. I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the age is wrong. I'm just I have a
Speaker 1: hard time swallowing it. Knowing that there's this bit of
Speaker 1: an issue when it comes to monolithic site. That's fair.
Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't do any research on that
Speaker 1: because literally everyone I've read about on this, and they're
Speaker 1: all like pretty impressive accredited scientists and archaeologists, have also
Speaker 1: not had a problem with carbon dating, So I you know,
Speaker 1: when I was doing my research, I've just kind of
Speaker 1: been taking it on faith that like, if this were
Speaker 1: an issue, if they really had questions about it, somebody
Speaker 1: would have brought it up um, And it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be the case. I mean, if anything, people are
Speaker 1: saying it's probablybly older than this carbon dating is saying
Speaker 1: it is, which is, you know, an interesting thing in
Speaker 1: and of itself, but it seems that when people are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, or twelve thousand years old, that it's
Speaker 1: kind of a conservative estimate, and it could very well be.
Speaker 1: It could also be that because they're all involved in
Speaker 1: the project, they're all drinking the kool aid. To use
Speaker 1: the old term it heard thinking. I mean I would
Speaker 1: have to actually like talk to one of these guys
Speaker 1: and find out their methodology. So if they're they're if
Speaker 1: they're excavating all this stuff, I mean, if you if
Speaker 1: you pluck some piece of debris out of there and
Speaker 1: radiocarbon dated, well that's a little sketchy. If what you're
Speaker 1: doing is is getting every little bit or from all
Speaker 1: over the place, you know, varying depths and varying locations,
Speaker 1: and you pretty much get the same reading, that's that
Speaker 1: would be to me an indication that probably they're getting
Speaker 1: an accurate estimate. YEA, I never thought how much material
Speaker 1: they were finding other things. Yeah, I had some stuff
Speaker 1: that said that it was a lot. Yeah, you got
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of hope these guys actually know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. We're taking a little bit of stuff on faith.
Speaker 1: They really they were a yeah, there's one lead archaeologist
Speaker 1: on this thing and his team are the team that's
Speaker 1: working on it, But everybody else who does writing about
Speaker 1: it isn't actually like a part of the excavation of
Speaker 1: this project, so they're all kind of independent. It's essentially
Speaker 1: being pure viewed. Yeah. Um, so, as far as I
Speaker 1: can tell, nobody really has the problem a problem with this,
Speaker 1: And I don't know that it just one of those
Speaker 1: things that always crops off what I think about these things.
Speaker 1: It always there have been there have been some some
Speaker 1: pretty big errors in the past and carbon dating, you know,
Speaker 1: they have been So it's a it's a reasonable issue
Speaker 1: to bring up. Yeah, all right, So let's so we've
Speaker 1: got some theory. I'm assuming you've got theory. We have
Speaker 1: a just a few theory about why how it was done, Um,
Speaker 1: why they did it? Mostly okay, the how it's done
Speaker 1: pretty obvious and stood it up, I guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not really a lot of theories on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about some stuff maybe, but I mean most
Speaker 1: of the stuff is, you know, it's it's the mystery
Speaker 1: of how they did it is kind of I think
Speaker 1: at this point people just accept that it means that
Speaker 1: we have to reevaluate the probably prehistoric humans work, which
Speaker 1: we're able to actually you know, actually make metals like
Speaker 1: bronze at least. But so let me let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, sorry if I'm jumping ahead or anything. But
Speaker 1: have they found the place where these stones were quarried from? Yes,
Speaker 1: they have, and they were quarried in quote Neolithic times,
Speaker 1: which is like this time, but also in more classical times. Um.
Speaker 1: They found big gashes in the earth where they thought
Speaker 1: the big stones were probably taken from. UM, but they
Speaker 1: can't find any information on like where this core is is.
Speaker 1: It's close. It's pretty close. That's they call the plateau,
Speaker 1: and you can think about it. They may not if this,
Speaker 1: if they're still doing all this research, there may be
Speaker 1: a certain amount of information that you want to hold
Speaker 1: back so that not every time Dick and Harry runs
Speaker 1: out there to check it out and take their own
Speaker 1: piece of the rock and say, look this was carved
Speaker 1: by you know man ten tho years ago and destroy
Speaker 1: a sign. Yeah, so they But also I mean, I
Speaker 1: suppose what I was curious about was whether there were
Speaker 1: any unfinished T shaped slabs or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: but but now that I think about it, I suppose
Speaker 1: that those corries probably would have been in use years
Speaker 1: after it was a mention of them, of the Romans
Speaker 1: corrying some of it for like watch toowers and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's been I mean, it's been in use for
Speaker 1: you know, a long time afterwards, a long time. So
Speaker 1: you know, again they have these like big trenches. They
Speaker 1: think this is probably where this rock came from, but
Speaker 1: they don't actually know about any of that. Alright, Ready
Speaker 1: to get some theories in here, theories up in here. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: the first theory. So it's a temple, like a normal
Speaker 1: human temple. That's good theory. It's pretty good theory, right,
Speaker 1: So most scientists agree this is probably the first example
Speaker 1: of what's called the cathedral on the Hill, which would
Speaker 1: have been the first place that people would have taken
Speaker 1: pilgrimages to. So this is interesting for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: They've found a lot of butchered bones and artifacts in
Speaker 1: this area that shouldn't be around for like a hundred miles,
Speaker 1: which kind of suggests that people came from a distance.
Speaker 1: Can no like um like plant materials, and well, if
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a if it's butchered bones, that
Speaker 1: means it's the animal carcasses that you know, they're rather
Speaker 1: either doing sacrifices or they were showing down. That would
Speaker 1: actually that would actually you know, discredit my concern about
Speaker 1: the carbon dating, because if it's animal bones, you can
Speaker 1: carbon date the heck out of those. It's not just
Speaker 1: animal bones, but it's bones. There's lots of bones. Um.
Speaker 1: They think it was a cult of the dead type
Speaker 1: of a place, which is um instead of worshiping gods
Speaker 1: or anything like that, you bring your dead to this place,
Speaker 1: probably like wrapped in like you know, shrouds basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they animal the animals would just watch over
Speaker 1: your ancestors carbon animals. Um. The problem with this is
Speaker 1: they haven't found any tombs. They found a lot of bones,
Speaker 1: like sacrifice bones, animal, but they haven't found any tombs
Speaker 1: anything that looks like an intentional burying of dead people,
Speaker 1: which it's been clearly documented that you know, thousands of
Speaker 1: years prior to this, chro magnut man, Homo sapiens all
Speaker 1: started burying their dead in like a field position, So
Speaker 1: that's like that we've already had that in our history.
Speaker 1: So the problem with the idea of a tomb situations,
Speaker 1: they haven't found any tombs the whole. The whole problem
Speaker 1: with that theory too is that it's dangerous to be
Speaker 1: around the rotting corps for very long, especially back in
Speaker 1: those days. Yeah, so I think that people probably would
Speaker 1: have buried their dead and maybe made a pilgrimage later
Speaker 1: on to pay respect to them at this place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there are a couple other really interesting things that
Speaker 1: happened like near this site. One of them is that
Speaker 1: really close to this area, Genesis have traced the first
Speaker 1: like DNA of domesticated wheat to this area, like within
Speaker 1: twenty miles of this hill, So that would have been
Speaker 1: like the first instance of agriculture in our history. So yeah,
Speaker 1: an indication that there was some sort of civilization. Actually,
Speaker 1: there was some kind of shift in societal norms happening here.
Speaker 1: This is really the first place that you see that happen. Um.
Speaker 1: There's also kind of some speculation that it's the first
Speaker 1: accounts of animal husbandry. One of the things they talk
Speaker 1: about a lot is that up until now, in like
Speaker 1: the paintings that you see, the cave painting stuff like that,
Speaker 1: any animal that's depicted is pretty much depicted in a
Speaker 1: state of like either attacking somebody or being attacked by somebody,
Speaker 1: so as in like a hunter gatherer society. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: in the hunt or you know, they're hunting you or
Speaker 1: you're hunting it. And this is the first instance of
Speaker 1: animals being depicted, even predatory animals like you know, we
Speaker 1: said one of those reliefs looks just like a jaguar
Speaker 1: or something, animals that are traditionally you know, against us
Speaker 1: being depicted in just like a normal passive state. Um,
Speaker 1: which is also kind of interesting. So they're talking about
Speaker 1: this maybe being the first instance of domesticated animals in
Speaker 1: this kind of situation, or at least a shift in
Speaker 1: thinking towards what animals might be for us, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, they could be allies and not just
Speaker 1: enemies or food. Yeah. And again this is one of
Speaker 1: those those things in this story that that got me
Speaker 1: thinking about how we look at this stuff, because I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I remember looking one of the photos and
Speaker 1: the photo said this is a fox, and I looked
Speaker 1: at it and I thought, that's a big, ugly lizard.
Speaker 1: It didn't look like a fox time. I thought it
Speaker 1: looked like a rock exactly. I mean, and that's really
Speaker 1: an interesting thing too. But so it What it got
Speaker 1: me thinking though, is that from our point of view today,
Speaker 1: because of the way that information goes, we know what
Speaker 1: just about every creator in the world looks like, but
Speaker 1: at that time they didn't. So they may have been
Speaker 1: trying to depict something else, whether it be you know,
Speaker 1: I in the dark, I saw this thing and it's
Speaker 1: this mytho Lodge school. Whatever that they've built is something around,
Speaker 1: a story around. But to us, we're going, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a cute little fox. I totally get it. It's exactly
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for is we're projecting what we
Speaker 1: know onto it. Yeah, and we can talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that. Um. I have some stuff to say
Speaker 1: about that, a little bit, um. But it's true that
Speaker 1: there there are carvings of animals that, like, you look
Speaker 1: at and you're like, what that doesn't exist in Turkey
Speaker 1: and it never has and it's fairly clearly an animal
Speaker 1: like Anyways, we'll get into that. Okay, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: that's totally fine. Um. So one of the other things
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people are saying these are
Speaker 1: depictions of gods, which is kind of a problem because
Speaker 1: it's five thousand years too early, although it's the same
Speaker 1: place Mesopotamia, right, the Fertile Crescent was too early for
Speaker 1: what too early for God's, it's too early for God. Um.
Speaker 1: This is the first time, I mean the fully formed
Speaker 1: depiction of a God that sits in this guy. We've
Speaker 1: had idols, right, and we've had ancestors before then, but
Speaker 1: not gods. It's a really big anthropological like discussion, um
Speaker 1: that happens. But essentially five about five thousand years later
Speaker 1: in Mesopotamia we see the first instance of God's. So
Speaker 1: when you say it's too early for gods, what you're
Speaker 1: saying is that we don't have any record of people
Speaker 1: recording these beings that they're worshiping, or any or any
Speaker 1: implication that they are worshiping anything. There's been a cult
Speaker 1: of the dead for a long time. As like a
Speaker 1: reverence to your ancestors. There's some you know, using of idols,
Speaker 1: sort of you know, recognizing that there are things that
Speaker 1: are bigger than us, but like a fully formed idea
Speaker 1: of like a god, like an omni patent sort of
Speaker 1: being above us that maybe created us, a creator situation
Speaker 1: that apparently doesn't exist until much later. So again, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. Um, So there's a kind of a sub
Speaker 1: theory on this, and that's the Ryan sub theory. It
Speaker 1: basically says that this is a constellation, the constellation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of discussion that we'll talk about
Speaker 1: later that every monolithic stone thing from the past ages
Speaker 1: was to Ryan. Okay, fine, you know, fine, but Ryan
Speaker 1: is pretty prevalent in the sky, especially at this time
Speaker 1: of our of our planet's history. So they talk about
Speaker 1: we're talking about a little bit earlier with the arms,
Speaker 1: and um, there's a there are some of the carvings
Speaker 1: that have like belts, like really clear belts on them.
Speaker 1: Some looks like a belt like about but if they
Speaker 1: were modeling after Orion's belt, wouldn't it just be three dots? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have belts like us, So that the
Speaker 1: things that looked like a belt. Yeah. I mean so,
Speaker 1: like even the people who are kind of making this claim,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a really weak theory right now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like an idea they're throwing out there,
Speaker 1: and you know, it seems to be in the really
Speaker 1: early stages and they're kind of saying, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we could see it being this but we don't really know,
Speaker 1: We don't really have any good information on it yet.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna like throw it out there and
Speaker 1: if people connect the dots for us, great. If we
Speaker 1: continue to find information that connects the dots, great, But yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, the problem I had with this theory
Speaker 1: is that we we know Oriyan the Constellation as Ryan
Speaker 1: the Hunter. That's doesn't mean that people twelve thousands of
Speaker 1: years ago I would have looked at that, that bunch
Speaker 1: of stars and and said, oh wow, check it out
Speaker 1: as a hunter. Yeah, it's a human I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no reason to think. I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: most constant relations, they don't look anything like what they're
Speaker 1: supposed to. It's very it's a very loose track. It's
Speaker 1: extremely listen. Yeah, and there's no reason to believe that
Speaker 1: anybody would have interpreted Ryan the Constellation as even being
Speaker 1: a humanoid, much less being a hunter. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of historic references to Brian being a
Speaker 1: hunter from the Greece, the Romans, Mesopotamia. Fine, but again
Speaker 1: yeah so, but it might do so Joe, the next
Speaker 1: theories for you ancient aliens. Oh even better, Yeah, even better?
Speaker 1: So of course, I mean, of course this is a theory, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course it is. Who didn't see this coming?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a theory for Stonehenge because people can't
Speaker 1: figure out how Stonehenge is made, and that's like everything
Speaker 1: there's seven thousand years later. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, of
Speaker 1: course it is. And you know, I think it does
Speaker 1: go a little bit to towards Joe's question of like, well,
Speaker 1: how I personally choose to believe that it's totally possible
Speaker 1: that humans made this stuff at that point in time.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's outrageous to think of, but I
Speaker 1: do understand that a lot of people have a hard
Speaker 1: time without tools, would be awfully hard to quarry stones. Sure,
Speaker 1: it really would be, but or at least at least
Speaker 1: copper or bronze or something. Yeah. So you know, one
Speaker 1: of the big selling points of this theory is that,
Speaker 1: as Joe mentioned, they haven't found any stone carving tools
Speaker 1: in the site, which I think to a lot of
Speaker 1: people's like really really like, oh my gosh, it was
Speaker 1: aliens to me, all signs point to the making and
Speaker 1: then like very frequent use of this place, right, So,
Speaker 1: like I guess you like, if you go to a
Speaker 1: modern church and you're like, oh man, there's so much
Speaker 1: ornate stuff in here, but I can I can't find that.
Speaker 1: You know, how they plated this gold in this place?
Speaker 1: A must be aliens, you know. For me, that doesn't
Speaker 1: really hold water. The other thing to think of, okay, well,
Speaker 1: is if this is as old as they say, you
Speaker 1: know how, one of the easy ways that you can
Speaker 1: break rock apart is with another rock. Huh. So you
Speaker 1: take two rocks and you start beating them against each
Speaker 1: other and eventually they're both gonna crumble. So not in
Speaker 1: that my tool gives away. Yeah. The only problem I
Speaker 1: have with that there is is it's great for for
Speaker 1: sort of breaking a rock down into smaller pieces, but
Speaker 1: if you look at some of the carvings, those look
Speaker 1: like they had to have been done with more precise
Speaker 1: tools and just bad. But to be fair, we are
Speaker 1: in the Stone Age. I mean like we're in the
Speaker 1: Stone Age. But we're in the Stone Age, so you know,
Speaker 1: we do kind of know how to work rock. I mean,
Speaker 1: you find some other idols that are carved not I mean,
Speaker 1: this is is an incredible detail amount, but you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the same thing is looking at you know,
Speaker 1: the absidian arrowheads that we see from Native Americans and
Speaker 1: other cultures. Those things are beauty full in their own right,
Speaker 1: and they're all very precisely done with the rock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one rock against another. Knowing exactly how rock breaks,
Speaker 1: isn't that technical? Once you've done it a couple hundred,
Speaker 1: couple of thousand times, you just keep breaking. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: well now I kind of understand how this is gonna
Speaker 1: break apart. Yeah, they could have made tools also out
Speaker 1: of a city, and they could have you know, they
Speaker 1: could have made carving tools out of the city and
Speaker 1: not had to have bronze or copper or whatever. It
Speaker 1: just means that, you know, you're gonna be spending a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of time carving out your T
Speaker 1: shaped rock and the quarry. Yeah, I mean so that
Speaker 1: you know, again it's like, well it might have been
Speaker 1: you know, I mean thinking back to those times, you know,
Speaker 1: think about this, you know, your grandfather actually started working
Speaker 1: on quarry and this T shaped rock, you know, and
Speaker 1: and you're like done, Okay, we're getting close to done here,
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, it's it's still not quite corried out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's a big mystery for sure, And I think
Speaker 1: that that really helps to explain why people are so
Speaker 1: prone to going to something like ancient aliens, because it
Speaker 1: makes much more sense to a lot of people to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they use plasma cutting tools. Yeah, the alien laser cut
Speaker 1: it apart with that, then we targeted by hand from there.
Speaker 1: I nobody sort of chipped it up so to make
Speaker 1: it look like ancient cut of by alien plasma. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're as you know, Steve was kind of saying
Speaker 1: a little bit this the next like part of this
Speaker 1: is a little more solid to me. Um, you see
Speaker 1: things in these carvings, like geese. They're pretty clearly geese.
Speaker 1: I when you look at it and you're like, that's
Speaker 1: definitely a goose, which never existed in Turkey, nor do
Speaker 1: they have any records of it ever having existed in Turkey.
Speaker 1: So people talk about like, well, I was aliens because
Speaker 1: aliens were like, hey, carve a thing that looks like this,
Speaker 1: that exists a lot in the world. I think that
Speaker 1: actually feeds like a theory that I have a little later,
Speaker 1: a little better than the ancient alien theory, but that
Speaker 1: it seems to get kind of like clumped in there
Speaker 1: with aliens. You know, let's let's let's not say that
Speaker 1: it's a goose per se. But if you see birds
Speaker 1: flying around all the time, there are birds that have
Speaker 1: big bodies, and they're birds that have long necks and
Speaker 1: big wings, and there's all kinds of birds around that
Speaker 1: are like that. Marn't necessarily geese. So it could be
Speaker 1: that it was some indigenous bird that has died out
Speaker 1: or was hunted out, or god knows it was might
Speaker 1: have been the dodo for all I know. But you actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it could be also that the aliens look
Speaker 1: like geese. It could be it's true. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: I I don't want to belabor this too much. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that I don't buy that it's goose. That's fair.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they're more in There are other instances.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, like we don't know, like what
Speaker 1: was there then, you know, so maybe they're we don't
Speaker 1: know what wasn't there. The whole the whole Middle East
Speaker 1: being the cradle of civilization, everything was subjected to quite
Speaker 1: a bit of environmental abuse. And it used to be
Speaker 1: forest land and grassland, and now it's basically a desert.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, they you knows it totally. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were a lot more animals living there back in
Speaker 1: the back of the day. Yeah. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the things they talked about is that like this would
Speaker 1: have been a really beautiful place, this hill, it would
Speaker 1: have looked over like this really beautiful like paradise plan
Speaker 1: and you know, the Black Sea was like way higher,
Speaker 1: and there was this ice thing that was like a
Speaker 1: couple of thousand miles away that really like it just
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. Apparently it was a paradise. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a paradise. So the next theory that I
Speaker 1: want to talk about, because we're on crazy theories right now,
Speaker 1: is that the Robert M. Shots is probably how you
Speaker 1: pronounce that. He the who who knows he's an associate
Speaker 1: professor of Natural Sciences at the College of General Studies.
Speaker 1: In the College of General Study, it is a two
Speaker 1: year non degree granting unit of the Boston University. So
Speaker 1: take this with a grain of salt. Ye, wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be embarrassing? I have agreed from those guys I was
Speaker 1: accepted here. You're not that um. So he thinks that
Speaker 1: there's a connection with the Easter Island and also Um
Speaker 1: thinks that Stone Stonehenge is also connected. He thinks basically
Speaker 1: like every single monolithic prehistoric site is all connected, that
Speaker 1: they were all built at the same time, including the Pyramids.
Speaker 1: And oh well, so he comes in with like a
Speaker 1: theory that I'm going to talk about next that is uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of partners with this other guy at this
Speaker 1: opper theory. We're we're in the crazy theories. Guys were
Speaker 1: in the crazy part, deep in the crazies. So he's
Speaker 1: quoted as saying, both the moi and the anthropomorphic central
Speaker 1: pillars of goldbeck A Tepe have arms and hands positions
Speaker 1: similarly against the body, with hands and fingers extended over
Speaker 1: the belly and naval region. The moi are looking at
Speaker 1: the sky, and I believe the goldbeck A Tepe pillars
Speaker 1: are also looking towards the skies. Are they looking at
Speaker 1: identical phenomenon? So he thinks that there are these things
Speaker 1: called plasma events, which is a thing that we have
Speaker 1: on Earth. It's a real thing. Yeah, essentially, it's we
Speaker 1: see a lot of as lightning or like aurora borealist um.
Speaker 1: But apparently, uh, they used to be way more frequent
Speaker 1: and they would have been way more apparent. Wait wait
Speaker 1: what why would they have been more frequent? Well, so
Speaker 1: I guess this like a little bit makes sense to
Speaker 1: me that like the sun was still settled. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a long time ago, and yet it's like
Speaker 1: a long time after the creation of the universe, but
Speaker 1: it's still a long time ago. The Sun was a
Speaker 1: little more volatile. Apparently, you know, it's you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of the history of the Sun, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: twelve thousand years ago is basically basically basically like late
Speaker 1: this morning, not even late this morning. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like maybe six o'clock. For whatever reason, the
Speaker 1: Sun was more like volatile in the period. Ostensibly, this
Speaker 1: is again, this is just what I could find on
Speaker 1: this theory from this dude. Like I I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it's right or wrong, but apparently they were more
Speaker 1: He also said, it's more solar flares, is what I'm getting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's entirely possible the Sun did go to
Speaker 1: a period of like a lot of intense solar flares,
Speaker 1: like you've heard about the Carrington event, correct, I think
Speaker 1: it was eighteen fifty six the sun this Yeah, the
Speaker 1: suns the sun like speed out a huge solar flare
Speaker 1: which hit the Earth. Um and by the way, we
Speaker 1: should be gearing up for another one because it's going
Speaker 1: to happen against sooner or later. But this big solar
Speaker 1: flare hits the planet and basically a lot of borealist
Speaker 1: type stuff in the sky. But it also fried what
Speaker 1: we what little we had in terms of electronic sandwich
Speaker 1: basically was maybe telegraph lines, but telegraph office is caught
Speaker 1: on fire and stuff like that. I mean, our crude
Speaker 1: infrastructure was was kind of kind of destroyed. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so imagine what would happen today. Really, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of solar activity our atmosphere. Yeah, over a period of
Speaker 1: I'm guessing hundreds of years, there's a lot of it
Speaker 1: going on. To I got her, this kind of it
Speaker 1: would have to go on for a while. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: there's this other guy named Anthony Parrott and he's a
Speaker 1: lost alamos plasma physicist and they apparently have established that
Speaker 1: there are some petroglyphs that have been found worldwide that
Speaker 1: record a really intense plasma event or events in prehistory. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's determined that powerful plasma phenomenon observed in the skies
Speaker 1: take on characteristic shapes resembling humanoid figures and humans with birdheads,
Speaker 1: sets of rings or doughnut shapes, and writing snakes or serpents.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that, which are just Yeah, can I
Speaker 1: say projection once again? Yeah, yeah, you totally can't. So
Speaker 1: they also addressed the backfield. This is the only theory
Speaker 1: that really addresses the back Okay, okay, I'm game for this.
Speaker 1: So basically they say, you know there were roofs on there.
Speaker 1: They say they back build it so that they would
Speaker 1: be protected from the plasma events. So, yeah, they built
Speaker 1: these things because of some for some reason, because they
Speaker 1: thought in the sky, and they decided to build hundreds
Speaker 1: of years quarrying rocks that are like and then they
Speaker 1: decided to like fill them into protect them from those
Speaker 1: sames things that they built them for because they understood
Speaker 1: that it was radiation and that if you're underground you
Speaker 1: could have a fallout shelter. Yeah, okay, well I just
Speaker 1: don't all board of that. No, I don't like that theory.
Speaker 1: So to go along with this theory, there's another theory.
Speaker 1: It's called the third party theory. It's been developed by
Speaker 1: this man named Graham Hancock. He's a mother culture proponent
Speaker 1: and according to his Wikipedia site, he specializes in quote
Speaker 1: unconventional theories. What is mother culture? So it's this theory, okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was something different. No, it's
Speaker 1: all the same, um so as it pertains to like
Speaker 1: Goldbecky tepee, but it also pertains to like a lot
Speaker 1: of basically everything that this other guy was saying. They're
Speaker 1: all connected. This guy says, um that there's this long
Speaker 1: forgotten third like branch of humanity that evolved way faster
Speaker 1: than we did and did all of this stuff and
Speaker 1: then was just wiped out ten thousand years ago and
Speaker 1: we forgot about them, and they built this thing that
Speaker 1: makes sense? Right. Actually, I feel really bad, okay, because
Speaker 1: when I was reading this and everybody was saying, well,
Speaker 1: van wasn't evolved enough. I started looking in and wondering, well,
Speaker 1: when did the chromas go away? Well, the chromags went
Speaker 1: away thirty thou years ago, so it couldn't have been them.
Speaker 1: So then I was saying, well, maybe it was some
Speaker 1: culture that I didn't necessarily think that it was some
Speaker 1: offshoot of humanity in terms of another Homo Sapien line.
Speaker 1: But what if it was some culture that was isolated
Speaker 1: from all their hunter gather warring neighbors for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: They start to move along and evolve and use tools,
Speaker 1: and do these things become really peaceful and they can
Speaker 1: you know, they can cultivate grain and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and then they build the whole thing and then everybody
Speaker 1: finds them, but they're peaceful. So everybody else is going,
Speaker 1: you're freaking me out. I'm gonna hit you with my
Speaker 1: acts because that's what I do to things that freaked
Speaker 1: me out. But talking about for this one site, right,
Speaker 1: because this theory pertains to literally every monolithic I'm saying
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying, go back, okay, and I'm willing to,
Speaker 1: like a little bit get on board with you on
Speaker 1: that as far as and we're saying it's just this
Speaker 1: one thing. But he says, even the Pyramids were built
Speaker 1: at the same time as all this other stuff, because
Speaker 1: it looks like there was rain damage to it, and
Speaker 1: the only time that Egypt has ever had rain that
Speaker 1: much was in ten thousand years ago, so obviously they
Speaker 1: were built ten thousand years ago, along with the Moi
Speaker 1: at Easter Island, along with all of the stuff down
Speaker 1: in South America, all of the oh eight, nothing in
Speaker 1: North America because we're not special, you know. So he says,
Speaker 1: it's like all of these were created by this like
Speaker 1: Mother culture, which I think a lot of people kind
Speaker 1: of retribute to the ancient Aliens and the Mother culture.
Speaker 1: So the Mother Culture was basically all over the world.
Speaker 1: So he was a a offshoot not humans, but an
Speaker 1: offshoot of humanity that spread and then died for some reason.
Speaker 1: And just a beer didn't look any different from us
Speaker 1: on a bone structure level or a DNA level or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Right, But if they were that sophist good,
Speaker 1: they should have left a lot more ruins. Well, no,
Speaker 1: they were. They were using the those awesome skimmers that
Speaker 1: you get from the Aliens. Yeah, and so what was
Speaker 1: what was the movie? It was the Flash Gordon skimmers.
Speaker 1: They were jumping for all over the world and then
Speaker 1: rebuilding their new and building their new sites. That's what
Speaker 1: it is, Ah Gordon Wake, Runners of the Sky. It is.
Speaker 1: So now we're gonna come anyway, not to address that
Speaker 1: your theory that these guys have built go Beckley Tempe
Speaker 1: or a peaceful culture that's just highly unlikely. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they were like, you know, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of like if you're a rabbit and you're in the woods,
Speaker 1: living in the woods, and and you decide, you and
Speaker 1: your your bust of rabbits decide, Hey, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna sweat this whole predator thing. We're just gonna, like,
Speaker 1: you know, go out and eat our grass and just
Speaker 1: pretend like they don't I mean the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: man lived in this environment of scarcity and conflict and warfare.
Speaker 1: I mean that's our history, that's that's in our DNA.
Speaker 1: So the idea of a peaceful culture somehow popping up,
Speaker 1: it's like kind of hard to believe. But you could
Speaker 1: mean maybe on an island they could be isolated. Because
Speaker 1: if you think about if you ever looked at the
Speaker 1: maps and again this is something that I saw, let's
Speaker 1: say in the chro magnet man. Is if you look
Speaker 1: at where chromagnet man was, and then you look where
Speaker 1: home and Homo sapiens started. Knowing how we encroached in,
Speaker 1: it might have been that these guys were just kind
Speaker 1: of in a pocket. Have you ever been in the
Speaker 1: woods and you came across something and you realize that
Speaker 1: there's an old tractor park there that's probably been there
Speaker 1: for fifty or seventy years and nobody's messed with it.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a random spot. It could be
Speaker 1: that they were just in a lucky zone that nobody
Speaker 1: had gone to for whatever reason. And it's plausible. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's what it is, but I think it's
Speaker 1: plausible that a group of people could live in an
Speaker 1: area for an extended period of time and never be found.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're finding people in South America today still
Speaker 1: they still have no clue who the hell we are. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but yeah again and that and that's possible. But
Speaker 1: those cultures aren't going to be by any sense advanced
Speaker 1: because any culture that's that isolated, where it's just a
Speaker 1: small pocket of people off somewhere there, you know what,
Speaker 1: in isolation from the rest of humanity, with no trading
Speaker 1: back and forth of ideas and stuff, then you simply
Speaker 1: don't advantage. It was the prehistoric engineers. It was a
Speaker 1: group of engineers. Yeah, it could have been dropped back
Speaker 1: in time. Okay, I'm sorry making fun that's a that's
Speaker 1: a good point, though it might be it might be that, uh,
Speaker 1: and this might be they might have been predisposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, figuring things out like that rather than just
Speaker 1: going with the status quo. And this is well, you know,
Speaker 1: imagine this how this ties in with the city atom
Speaker 1: and legend. Say, these two really really hyperintelligent people somehow
Speaker 1: find each other copyright, have children, start a little tribe
Speaker 1: of very smart people, and they do actually wind up
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of amazing things. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that, are we I ain't kind of a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about that because we have arrived
Speaker 1: at the biblical theories. So there's I guess we'll just
Speaker 1: go We'll just go into it and then we'll have
Speaker 1: the discussions as we go. Do that noise exactly? Awesome? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the first one is a Noah's Ark theory. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: a pretty easy leap to make, right. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like this large, huge collection of animals for prehistoric time
Speaker 1: from what a lot of people identify as a biblical
Speaker 1: time right in the in the biblical land. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I can kind of see how this is again getting
Speaker 1: back to the variety of animals that are carved in
Speaker 1: the stone. Yeah pretty much. Okay, so this this is
Speaker 1: where this theory is being lent from. Yeah, just so
Speaker 1: I get my frame. Are So it's you know, like
Speaker 1: a lot of animals, a lot of animals that probably
Speaker 1: aren't really from around there as far as we can tell.
Speaker 1: And again, who knows what was there? What wasn't how
Speaker 1: much we're projecting, you know, find whatever? And gold back
Speaker 1: to Tepe is like three and fifty miles from where
Speaker 1: Biblical scholars are pretty sure that Noah's ark would have
Speaker 1: ended up. You know, if you kind of look at
Speaker 1: the Bible stories as parables, kind of accepting this place
Speaker 1: as a place that everybody was like, oh hey, that
Speaker 1: totally existed. Uh, you know, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: problems with this theory. It's not it's not a really
Speaker 1: sound theory. Okay. Wait, so in in it's been a
Speaker 1: long time since I've read the Bible, and I will
Speaker 1: admit this. Uh, where was Where was Noah from? Was
Speaker 1: he from harang? You know what? As far as I
Speaker 1: can tell, he was from Mesopotamia at the general area.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't. I it's also been
Speaker 1: a while for me to be honest with you, and
Speaker 1: I don't recall it being in my research, I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything where they were like and he was from here,
Speaker 1: so blah blah blah. I think the more important part
Speaker 1: of the whole story is like where he ended up
Speaker 1: now where he started because he was in the flood.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, are you kidding me? He's on this
Speaker 1: giant boat in the flood flood the whole world or
Speaker 1: maybe just the whole world, and but okay, like the
Speaker 1: whole world. It flooded, and then they ended up someplace,
Speaker 1: which sounds way more interesting when you say it that
Speaker 1: way than that John Cusack movie about it. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was so bad. I never thought anyway. So, so where
Speaker 1: are they saying that that Noah's came to rest, his
Speaker 1: ship came to risk at gate Temper? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's if you take it as like most people kind
Speaker 1: of take those stories as parables at this point, right,
Speaker 1: Like Noah probably didn't really make a giant arc. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that this would have been some sort of like
Speaker 1: representation of the arc of the preserving of all of
Speaker 1: the species that were there at that time, which is
Speaker 1: a fair thing to say about it because essentially even
Speaker 1: it maybe somebody it was like it was kind of
Speaker 1: like a smithsonian istude or something something like that, kind
Speaker 1: of like just keeping like a recording of everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned her On though, and he is another big one.
Speaker 1: They're the two big ones that everybody talks about. And
Speaker 1: Heran they think is like twenty five miles from Gobeck
Speaker 1: a Tepe, so they're really really close, Yeah, really close.
Speaker 1: There are some problems with this one is the like,
Speaker 1: Abraham was a pretty smart guy and he lived in
Speaker 1: her On, and he if this were a Noah's Ark situation,
Speaker 1: the theories a little confused, but like he would have
Speaker 1: known about this place, but the flood happened after Abraham,
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't have known about this place. But Abraham
Speaker 1: definitely didn't exist in ten thousand BC and this place
Speaker 1: and this place would have been long buried. So that's
Speaker 1: not so much of a problem for me, except that
Speaker 1: Bob Ballard did this expedition in the Black Sea and
Speaker 1: he found a bunch of stuff, a lot of really
Speaker 1: amazing stuff that was it was mostly like flooded houses
Speaker 1: and stuff that people would have lived in. They found,
Speaker 1: they found an old they found old shore lines. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a really deep black sea is
Speaker 1: really deep, so yeah, I bet it used to be
Speaker 1: a lot smaller than it is. Yeah, it used to
Speaker 1: be way smaller than the ice cap. Whatever. Anyways, a
Speaker 1: flood actually happened in that area, but it happened in
Speaker 1: five thousand BC, and people kind of except that that's
Speaker 1: when like Noah's flood would have happened, is five thousand BC,
Speaker 1: which is five thousand years later. Then our are a
Speaker 1: little temple, which couldn't possibly be So it sounds like
Speaker 1: I had again, this is a convenient marrying of two stories.
Speaker 1: And the next is Joe was kind of hinting at earlier,
Speaker 1: is that this is the historical site of the parableistic
Speaker 1: Garden of Eden. So okay, So most people again except
Speaker 1: that the Garden of Eden story is a parable it's
Speaker 1: not an actual thing that happened that, Like God didn't
Speaker 1: actually like reach out of the sky and and from
Speaker 1: dirt create one single man and then from his rib
Speaker 1: create one single woman. Most people kind of exact that
Speaker 1: it was kind of the moment when we turned from
Speaker 1: the hunter gatherer society into kind of a more agricultural
Speaker 1: society kind of gained the knowledge of right and wrong.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's when we became when when with
Speaker 1: the apple and everything, we became the knowledge of good
Speaker 1: and evil. In other words, would be we became more
Speaker 1: than animals. We became people human who were able to
Speaker 1: understand what our actions were all about. And therefore, you know,
Speaker 1: we couldn't just I catch this, like you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm a wolf, I can go devour another creature. And
Speaker 1: while I'm not a murderer, I'm just a wolf. I'm
Speaker 1: a human being, and I go kill another human being, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a murder because I know better. And that's that's
Speaker 1: what it's all about, because you recognize that it's another
Speaker 1: person and it's not just some preying Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like and and so the whole gist of
Speaker 1: that is that is that that's our intelligence is also
Speaker 1: our curse. That's the ancient wisdom, is that I'm even
Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, and you know, most people kind of
Speaker 1: accept that it was a thing that actually happened in
Speaker 1: human history. It was kind of an event. To add
Speaker 1: to this, the Bible has kind of like vague coordinates,
Speaker 1: like it's between two rivers for the actual well, we're
Speaker 1: in the two rivers, which it says which two rivers,
Speaker 1: and it kind of talks about the land mass, and
Speaker 1: previously biblical historians had placed it within fifty mils of
Speaker 1: where gold back at Tepe is. That's really i mean,
Speaker 1: like of all of the places in the world, that's
Speaker 1: really pretty close to the pin. Yeah. And again, you know,
Speaker 1: like the Fertile Crescent Mesopotamia, there's not all like a
Speaker 1: whole you kind of you know, you put it up
Speaker 1: on the dartboard and you're pretty close to everywhere. People
Speaker 1: are kind of talking about it being like a geographical
Speaker 1: turning point, like the place where we came together as
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens and realized that there was maybe something more
Speaker 1: than just killing everything became like what we would call
Speaker 1: fully human, and we were more than just running around
Speaker 1: and chasing critters down and eating everything we found, we
Speaker 1: could make it ourselves and cultivating. Yep. So you know,
Speaker 1: that was kind of the thing that we were talking
Speaker 1: about a little bit earlier, that this place was really
Speaker 1: like paradise at that point. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 1: looked beautiful, unled, it was totally unspoiled. There were there
Speaker 1: was everything we needed. There were rivers, there were fish,
Speaker 1: there were you know, like massive amounts of wheat and
Speaker 1: stuff like that that we could cultivate, and there were
Speaker 1: animals that we could turn into herds, and we could
Speaker 1: become shepherds. And it seems like it would have been
Speaker 1: like if there was gonna be a place for this
Speaker 1: historical turning point in our revolution, this would have been it.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's conceivable. You know, there's a theory
Speaker 1: that originally, the old theory is that Egypt had a
Speaker 1: very advanced, wealthy society and then they decided to build
Speaker 1: the pyramids. And yet there's another theory that essentially the
Speaker 1: building of the pyramids actually drew people in from the
Speaker 1: countryside and got people learning skills and stuff. And actually
Speaker 1: that's in a sense is what kick started and created
Speaker 1: Egyptian society and their civilization. Basically, the city had jobs,
Speaker 1: which is what we see today in all over the
Speaker 1: world is what we go to the city because there's jobs,
Speaker 1: and then you learn and so yeah, and so and so.
Speaker 1: It sort of reverses that whole thing and the and
Speaker 1: and it is a possibility if you can sort of
Speaker 1: see this idea that the building of the thing, which
Speaker 1: would have been a monumental o' taking back in those states,
Speaker 1: would have drawn people in from all over and and
Speaker 1: actually created a civilizy. It actually could have been the
Speaker 1: kernel of the civilization, which of course is long and
Speaker 1: long since died out. And that and that's a that's
Speaker 1: a compelling theory. Except where did where did all the
Speaker 1: buildings go? Maybe they're still buried somewhere, they probably are,
Speaker 1: but that that's the interesting thing, is that there there
Speaker 1: should be villages surrounding this thing. Maybe they're there and
Speaker 1: they're still just buried and we haven't found him yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, as we said, they've only astivated what they
Speaker 1: estimate to be five percent of this place. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it turns out that all the rest of the
Speaker 1: things were actually like living facilities or working facilities or something,
Speaker 1: or with tense or if you think about if intense
Speaker 1: is kind of where I'm going, if you think about
Speaker 1: a lot of major cities in third world countries where
Speaker 1: they have very advanced building technology, but that everybody goes
Speaker 1: home to a very poor, ragged society. Right, it's well,
Speaker 1: and you know today's skin, but back then it may
Speaker 1: have been seven sticks and a couple of pieces of
Speaker 1: high hung up, and you had this barrio, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, all around it. That's where everybody
Speaker 1: lived in their kind of barrio Tens City. And when
Speaker 1: you were done, every oh, well, he laughed, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take his stick, and I'm gonna take that stick and
Speaker 1: take this skin. And then of course they break down
Speaker 1: and they wear out and they get beat down, and
Speaker 1: that would explain why there's no record of this stuff,
Speaker 1: because it was so thin is the word I can
Speaker 1: come to mind, but just so short lived that of
Speaker 1: course we can't find it so well. No, but but
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing about it is is people leave,
Speaker 1: People leave junk behind. People have garbage stumps and things
Speaker 1: like that. If if I were, if I were an
Speaker 1: archaeologist and I we're working on this project, you be
Speaker 1: looking for USB drive, Yeah yeah, and now I would
Speaker 1: you know, I would be I would be looking for
Speaker 1: the nearest spring, the nearest creek, the nearest river where
Speaker 1: probably people would have set up camp and built their
Speaker 1: villages and stuff. And I would be looking for garbage
Speaker 1: dumps and just looking for a residue of human beings.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the difficult. If it's been years,
Speaker 1: that's going to be hard. Everything's moved. Yeah, it's also
Speaker 1: not uninhabited. There are people who have been living here.
Speaker 1: It's literally like the cradle of civilization. Hundreds of different
Speaker 1: communities have come and lived in spaces like this. The
Speaker 1: reason they found this place is because a shepherd, that is,
Speaker 1: sheep wandering over it. I mean as possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know where the nearest village is in relation
Speaker 1: to this. How far a mile? Two miles? Yea far? Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean that village might actually have been one of
Speaker 1: the villages of this little civil civilization that built the
Speaker 1: side maybe you know, built there's an airport away. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not yea possible. That's why we need to
Speaker 1: go into those villages and basically kick the people out
Speaker 1: and start excavating. I think that's probably fair. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: sounds were still going to be on society committee, Joe.
Speaker 1: That's all the theories, but I guess you know, they're
Speaker 1: just so. I mean, they're the stories of like why
Speaker 1: and how why? Why did they fill them in? Who knows?
Speaker 1: That's That's the thing that throws me every stinking time
Speaker 1: that I review this story. Is why in the hell
Speaker 1: did somebody fill it in? Yeah, and I know I
Speaker 1: said this before, but I can only see that one
Speaker 1: culture built it and another culture was scared of them.
Speaker 1: And let's say they considered him demons or something they
Speaker 1: were gods or I don't care which way you go
Speaker 1: with it, but there was some hesitation to just destroy
Speaker 1: what they had made because of the backlash. So you
Speaker 1: fill it in. Well, it was pretty much until pretty
Speaker 1: recently in human history, whenever you um overthrew another city
Speaker 1: or overthrew another people, you always raised their city and
Speaker 1: murdered all the inhabitants. And so in this case, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not exactly a city, it's kind of underground a
Speaker 1: little bit, so we'll just fill it instead. That's good enough.
Speaker 1: But I think I think another possibility is that the
Speaker 1: people have built this and thinking of course this is
Speaker 1: a long term project, they might have intended to actually
Speaker 1: put a roof on this thing of stone. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if you and if you look at those those those
Speaker 1: T shaped stones that are by the way, we're set
Speaker 1: in holes in the ground. Every hold them up right
Speaker 1: and everything, they look like they look like freeway supports.
Speaker 1: Almost you know what I'm talking about. If they do,
Speaker 1: they look like something that was built to support a span.
Speaker 1: Something that's something that somebody at some point was planning
Speaker 1: on coming and setting a big slab of rock on
Speaker 1: top of you to make a roof for that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's where the mother ship. Yeah, that's that too. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to do that, the logistics of it our daunting.
Speaker 1: The the easiest way to do it, I would think,
Speaker 1: would be to fill in that whole area around them.
Speaker 1: Then you wheel in your slab and muscle on top
Speaker 1: of that thing, and then afterwards, when you're all done,
Speaker 1: you scoop the fill out again and waha, you've got
Speaker 1: your thing. But of course, ancient civilizations like our own
Speaker 1: civiliation civilization today, being fragile and subject to disruption and
Speaker 1: even extinction. Uh, Somewhere between the filling in and actually
Speaker 1: the quarrying of this big piece to go on top,
Speaker 1: something happened and the project never got completed. Another possibility
Speaker 1: is that they got the roof on there, and then
Speaker 1: somebody else came along afterwards after they were extinct and
Speaker 1: wanted to salvage those big slabs of stone for some
Speaker 1: of their project, so they filled it in just to
Speaker 1: facilitate getting the stones down, the big slabs of stone.
Speaker 1: I like the idea that, um, it's preservation. I think
Speaker 1: we as humans, we don't tend to destroy things that
Speaker 1: we perceive is very important. I mean, we tend to
Speaker 1: destroy things we perceived as important to other people. That
Speaker 1: tell other people. Yeah, but if we if we think
Speaker 1: they're important. I mean it's you know, things like the Pyramids. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: there was like marble on their once, right, and like, okay,
Speaker 1: we stripped that off, but like we didn't destroy, like
Speaker 1: demolish them. That would have been a major undertaking. It
Speaker 1: would have been a major undertaking to destroy these things too, right.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, in my like beautiful utopian world, right,
Speaker 1: this is the Garden of Eden, and we've just like
Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh man, we should keep this,
Speaker 1: Like people are gonna want to know about this, all right,
Speaker 1: let's start it, let's let's fill it in. I understand
Speaker 1: that's like it's totally a bad theory, but like in
Speaker 1: my brain, in my like little fantasy world, that's totally
Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, Yeah, I think I think that either
Speaker 1: somebody wanted to destroy them by by burying them, or
Speaker 1: somebody had a practical purpose in doing it. That's fair.
Speaker 1: What do you think you you just look angry. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look angry. I just there's there's
Speaker 1: and and as with everything, there's a piece missing that
Speaker 1: doesn't add up for me. I've already said my piece
Speaker 1: of I don't buy into the age of these things
Speaker 1: based on the evidence that we can find. But I do. I.
Speaker 1: I find it intriguing an odd that the whole thing
Speaker 1: was filled in, but I don't know why, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know which way to go. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I I kind of feel like one group built it,
Speaker 1: and another group founded and were mystified and either revered
Speaker 1: or afraid of that first group back filled it. Because
Speaker 1: the back field is the big mystery to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not why the hell did somebody build us in the
Speaker 1: first place? Why did somebody Because I can only imagine
Speaker 1: the size of this site. That had to take a
Speaker 1: long time to fill this in, and not just fill
Speaker 1: it in, but you gotta overfill it because anybody who's
Speaker 1: filled in a whole nose that which means that you
Speaker 1: know you've got us just cover tons and tons of
Speaker 1: material over so that's where the big mystery for me
Speaker 1: is maybe they were scared of falling in. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to fall in inuld could they were afraid of lawyers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we can get sued. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in the future. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys
Speaker 1: of stoneheage, they're taking their own risk, but not us.
Speaker 1: That's why. But that's why I think that in my theory,
Speaker 1: and it's still probably incredibly fallible, but the idea that
Speaker 1: they somebody filled it in just so they could spirit
Speaker 1: away those big slabs of stone, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? The slabs of stone
Speaker 1: they would have taken to span those things would have
Speaker 1: been huge. But and if I think, if you have
Speaker 1: somebody take the time to cut it up for you
Speaker 1: ahead of time, yeah, yeah, it's pretty awesome. So if anybody,
Speaker 1: if you come along and you're looking at those things
Speaker 1: and you think, and how can we salvage those things?
Speaker 1: We can either we can get down to that some
Speaker 1: quarry and we can spend fifty years chiseling these things
Speaker 1: out of the rock. We can get them out of here,
Speaker 1: getting them out by filling in that whole thing and
Speaker 1: spiriting them away would probably be a much easier job
Speaker 1: than inquirying them yourself. And so that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: why I'm thinking, either somebody and did that to salvage
Speaker 1: those things, or they did that because that in order
Speaker 1: to get them on there to begin with. And of
Speaker 1: course it's a share pure speculation, and I'm probably totally
Speaker 1: full of it. So that's all the theories. And we
Speaker 1: already talked about what we like and what we don't like. Aliens,
Speaker 1: maybe probably plasma events, I don't know, Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: plasma event thing. It was the mother race that that's that.
Speaker 1: That is one of the most far flown theories. Rather,
Speaker 1: I just even I couldn't. I try to be the
Speaker 1: pregmatist of the group maybe, but even I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't find the idea that seven is going to
Speaker 1: look up at the s guy see a bunch of
Speaker 1: Aurora borealis events and thing, Wow, let's go carve a
Speaker 1: ton of stone out and build a thing. Yeah that
Speaker 1: looks exactly like a bird. Yeah yeah yeah. And and
Speaker 1: of course remember these things must have taken a long
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, And so at some point somebody to say,
Speaker 1: why are we doing this exactly. Yeah, Dad, why have
Speaker 1: I been doing this for the last seven years because
Speaker 1: I told you to? Yeah, we had to light to
Speaker 1: the sky, that's it, because I thought once maybe exactly.
Speaker 1: So you know, so this is big, big mystery. We've
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of mysteries. Yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah. I think that ancient man really liked
Speaker 1: carving stone a lot. You know, it was his pastime.
Speaker 1: Invented soccer yet, yeah, you know, like well, you know
Speaker 1: when I was in Peru and I was looking at
Speaker 1: there's these incredible stone work creations that they made, these
Speaker 1: incredible walls and stuff like that, and the amount of
Speaker 1: care it must have taken, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: you know, why did they do this? And my then
Speaker 1: that the only theory I could come out that was
Speaker 1: plausible is that this was their form of art. This
Speaker 1: was this This was like they didn't have like painting
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. This was what everybody was into.
Speaker 1: It was like, wow, these really awesome walls. Think about
Speaker 1: it this way, though, is that if you look at
Speaker 1: it from an art standpoint, I can do watercolors on paper,
Speaker 1: or I can do oil paintings on canvas, which one
Speaker 1: degrades and falls apart. First, what our color on paper?
Speaker 1: Paper falls apart, especially paper at the time. So I
Speaker 1: can carve a log and I can do beautiful work,
Speaker 1: but that means that it's gonna be outside and it's
Speaker 1: going to be displayed for everybody to see, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna fall apart. Don't fall apart within ten years at
Speaker 1: the outside, it'll of degree at it completely. So that
Speaker 1: means the only way that I can show my reverence
Speaker 1: is to do it and show my artistic ability. Used
Speaker 1: to put it in something permanent, which would be stone.
Speaker 1: So that's to me, that would be a logical reason
Speaker 1: why to you stone all time? Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was just what people were into. You know, it was there,
Speaker 1: it was their art form, it was and you know,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just so interesting to see something as
Speaker 1: a large scale as this. Yeah, you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: was just like a giant art exhibit, but it's a
Speaker 1: big art exhibit, very big, you know on this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh they have Yeah. So anyways, that's a Tempe, very
Speaker 1: cool Tempe. We've been mangling it all my I think
Speaker 1: it's that's what it is. Okay, it's Turkish anyway, we
Speaker 1: have solved them as sure, So it was aliens. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you can put your money on that. Yes
Speaker 1: it was aliens. Right, So thank you Joe for solving
Speaker 1: that mystery for us. Ar'll just disband. So if you
Speaker 1: want to see any of the pictures, because I know
Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot of stuff that you
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Speaker 1: We're not doing a popularity contest. We're just presenting awesome
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Speaker 1: like the overly attached girlfriend of podcasts is always happening
Speaker 1: right now. You sendty you sound like Barnie. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess that's everything. So on that note,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say goodbye and we'll see you next week. Goodbye.
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