1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, So be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: You never know stories of things. We simply don't know 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: the answer too. Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: and today we're going to talk about a mystery. A 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: mystery I know. We're gon we're gonna solve it. We're 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: we're not going to solve this one. This is like 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: strapping folks. Because it's a long one. So Ian Hotter 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: of Stanford University said of this that it changes everything. 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: It overturns the whole apple cart, and all of our 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: theories are wrong. Okay, So radio carbon dating puts this 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: temple site roughly between ten thousand and nine thousand BC, 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: which is like eleven to twelve thousand years old. Wait 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: what temple? Say that? Are you referring to this one 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about in a second. Calm down, 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: mysterious Joe. For reference, more, time has elapsed between the 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: building of this site and the building of Stonehenge, then 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: elapsed between the building of Stonehenge, and now that's a 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, it's a really long time. Stonehenge was 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: built in three thousand BC. Yeah, that's a lot. That's 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: a long time. That's so that's way back. Yeah. So 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: this is for the generally accepted time frame of human evolution. Um, 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: the first Homo sapiens are like kind of starting to 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: appear at ten thousand BC. So we're kind of in 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: the like just walk starting to walk upright, using tools, 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: making paintings, killing animals, kind of how stuff has self consciousness, 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: but we're still seeing cro magnut Man. We're solidly in 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: the Stone Age, and one archaeologist explained that this is 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: like finding out the three year old built the Empire 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: state building with legos. Okay, I like that. Yeah, I 44 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: like that analogy too. I think it's really perfect because 45 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a little arrogant. It's it's like really 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: a put down of ancient man. I think Asian man 47 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: was a lot cleverer than a three year old. I 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: think they were capable of great things. Maybe maybe this, 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, in the reference of time and you know, 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: you're you're growing up, understand what analogy? Yeah, so we're 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: talking about oh, yes, we would be, we would be 52 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk h Yeah. So they call this the world 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: oldest temple or something or something something re example, we 54 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know. I mean, we just don't know. Okay. 55 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: So I just want to get a little bit of 56 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: terminology out of the way because this trips me up 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot when thinking about history and prehistory. Yeah, it's weird. 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: It's a weird terminology. And the thing about it is 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: is that you know this. For the purposes of this episode, 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: we're basically going to say history started when writing started, okay, 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: which is a kind of an anthropological accepted use of 62 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: those terms. Again, everybody uses different things, but this for this, 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: for this episode, we're gonna talk. We're gonna be talking 64 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: a lot about prehistory. And I just want to make 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: it clear that we're referring to a time before writing. Okay, 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: let's or they started writing things. We have a recording 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: of events history. There is a little bit of history 68 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: from before because there were tales handed down by orally 69 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: for for many many generations. Sure, right, but those are 70 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: harder to track. They are very concrete, and yeah, I 71 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: understand why, Devin. So we're gonna use that. It's kind 72 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: of our our reference point. That is the reason where 73 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: it's from. So I just want to make it very 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: clear that for the it's just for the purposes of 75 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to be talking about prehistory a lot. 76 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't want everybody to know. We're not talking about 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the dinosaurs. We're talking about a time before writing. Where 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: was the trace sarratos in this There weren't any dinosaurs 79 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: when this was built. I don't think so. I think 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: they were wiped out by then. I'm so, how do 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, the dinosaurs didn't build this, I don't you 82 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: know what? And there's like, you know again, who knows? 83 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about what this 84 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: thing temple space site. Yeah, I think site is probably occurred. 85 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: So it's in Turkey. It's two thousand, four hundred and 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: ninety three ft above sea level. It's on this hill 87 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: called god Beckley Tepee, which translates roughly into pot belly 88 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: hill or maybe navel of the Earth. It's what the 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: hill is called itself. So the site has been just 90 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: named after the hill that it was found on. Okay, 91 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: So it's whereas we have let's say Mount Rushmore. They're saying, well, 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: the name of it or Mount Everest would be better. 93 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: You know. It's something that we recognize, got a name. 94 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: It's like, oh and this is we're just calling it 95 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: what the name of that hill has always been. Yeah. 96 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: So this, this hill has been called this for you 97 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: know ever since anybody can ever remember, I got it. 98 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: The site itself is a series of rings um. Most 99 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: of these rings have two large stones that are like 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: T shaped pillars that are surrounded by a circle of 101 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: slightly smaller stones which face inward. The tall pillars are 102 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: usually about twenty feet high and way up to twenty tons. 103 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: They're fitted into sockets that were either cut out of 104 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: the bedrock or um set into like a concrete like floor. 105 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: There are more than two hundred pillars um in about 106 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: twenty circles. That's the current estimate through geophysical surveys. There 107 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: may be more, there may be less. They can't really 108 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: and the geophysical surveys correct me if I'm wrong. That's 109 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: basically where they're making a little rolling card that does 110 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: ultrasonic readings of what it sees underground. Yeah, done any 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: ground radar scans or anything like that. Yeah, so they've 112 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: done all that stuff. They're kind of trying to That's 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: as far as they can tell. That's what there is. 114 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: But you know, again, as far as they can tell 115 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: from what they're seeing. Yeah, through what they're seeing, you know, 116 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: there's you can only dig things up so fast, you know, 117 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: and especially with a site like this, you don't want 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: to just like hurry it up already and get everything 119 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: out because who knows. Yeah, Okay, the stones, most of 120 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: them have carvings of animals on them in the stone, 121 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: and the circles range from thirty two ft to eighty 122 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: nine ft in diameter. Yeah, thank you. Um, it's the difference, 123 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: it turns out. And that's so we had this discussion 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: before we started recording. I didn't know what thirty two 125 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: ft was, you know, actually put it into physical form. 126 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: You I joked, how many football fields is that? It's none? 127 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: So if you two rulers and yeah, so it's like 128 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: about the size of like those big r vs you see, 129 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: or like a school school bus sort of yeah, about that, 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: but also not tiny. No, So I don't know. And 131 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: when you say that it these have the T shaped pillars, 132 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: is that what you call them? In the center? That 133 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: was really hard for me to understand. And and I 134 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: was looking at the photos. So when you say teeth 135 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: shaped pillar, it's not one piece of rock that's been 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: carved into a T, but it's two rocks set on 137 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: top of each other to make a T shape. To 138 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: one's long and skinny at the top, and then one 139 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: skinny and going down in the ground. Is that because 140 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: T shaped rock is a weird way to say it, 141 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: we should clarify this as an upper case an upper 142 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: case T. And um, I'm actually not sure about that. 143 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: I have the impression that some of them are one. 144 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: I had thought that they were because if you look 145 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: at them, there there they and flat, and if you 146 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: try to stack them on top of one or another, 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't work out that one. And again it's 148 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get that impression from when I 149 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: looked at the photos of this, but I mean, I 150 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: don't know. It's my impression. Some of the accounts that 151 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: I read said that these stones would have been sixties 152 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: tons when they took them out of the quarry and 153 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: like brought them up. So it's my impression they brought 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: these one like giant carbon carved one giant unit. But 155 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it, maybe that would be simpler. 156 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: That's true. So that's the impression that I have, although 157 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: I can't tell you that I explicitly saw that anywhere. 158 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: Um So, there are three layers of this thing. And 159 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of had this discussion earlier to 160 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: about the impressions of layers, and I'm like sure that 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: the layers are just like different time, different gales, kind 162 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: of different like places on the hill, not that one 163 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: is like layered literally on top of the other. And 164 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: again that's just the impression I have and you know 165 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: there there there are to be three different structures, a 166 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: big medium with a small one. Well, there are lots 167 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: of different structures. There's there's like twenty. Yeah, so they're 168 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: they're different kinds of different eras. So the layer three 169 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: is the oldest um and the deepest, so like the 170 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: lowest on the hill um and it's where you see circles. 171 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: The archaeologists suspect that they may have had roofs on 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: them at one point. What kind of roofs hatch? Maybe 173 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: nobody is really totally sure because there isn't any really 174 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: evidence of these things being left behind. So and then 175 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you the kind of animal carvings you see in this 176 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: layer are basic animal reliefs. They look like this, dear listeners, 177 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: you cannot see, but if you go to the website 178 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: you'll be able to see them. Yeah, they're just like 179 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: relief carving. Yeah, they're very simplistic basic relief. And by 180 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: the way, for anybody who doesn't know, relief means that 181 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: you carve away anything that is not going to be shown. 182 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: So in the one we're looking at, it was a bird, 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: so everything around the bird is carved away, so only 184 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: the bird is sticking forward, right, it's actually a tougher 185 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: way to do things. You know, it's a lot easier 186 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: to chisel a bird into a rock than the chisel 187 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: away everything that doesn't look like a bird rock and 188 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: that and and the the other ones that you see 189 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: are also released, but they're way more complex. This is 190 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: just like a basic one dimensional well three dimensional, but 191 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: like it's just flat basically. Um again, you know, it's amazing. 192 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's no evidence of tools, and then what 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of tools did these guys use? So that's that's 194 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Yeah, So there are no humanoid figures that 195 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: are carved. They're all animals, although some people suggest that 196 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,119 Speaker 1: the large T shapes are in fact the humanoid figures. Um. 197 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: A lot of them have kind of arms at their sides, 198 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: and we'll get into this theory a little bit more. Um, 199 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: but some of them have kind of like arms carved 200 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: into them a little bit. So some people think maybe 201 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: that they're supposed to be like human animal hybrids or 202 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: like kind of god esque figures like you would see 203 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: an ancient Egypt where they're like a human with a 204 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: something head okay or okay, so there's actually carvings of 205 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: on some of them on some of them, not all 206 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: of them. And I mean, you know, when we're looking 207 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: at a picture of one of the reliefs right now, 208 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: when it's like a couple of different animals carved into 209 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: this one thing and there's no arms, and it doesn't 210 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: look like it's a representation of a human something hybrid. 211 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: And that's what I was trying to understand is I'm thinking, Okay, 212 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: was the stone itself, as in just the T shape 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: supposed to be a representation. Some people are kind of 214 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: talking about that a little bit, and again, you know, 215 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: it's these are so old, it's kind of her It 216 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: seems unlikely though, because these guys seem good enough at 217 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: carving stone that if they wanted to really represent human being, 218 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: they probably would have carved more detail and more accurate representation. 219 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: Being um so layer to the structures, um start to 220 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: be more rectangular, so instead of being big circles, they're 221 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: they're kind of rectangles, which is consistent since they're younger, 222 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: and rectangles are more efficient use of space. Um So 223 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of you kind of see a development of 224 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: use of building. The Yeah, rectangles are easier to build 225 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: and easier to stabilized in a circle. Yeah, and they're 226 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: and they're more efficient. So and then the reliefs start 227 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: to look way more complex. They're like really three D 228 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: images that are carved out of this one stone still, 229 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: so they're technically a relief, but they're really like full 230 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: on I guess, carvings on the rock like this is, 231 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: which is really really interesting and really perhaps Yeah, it's 232 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: very Yeah, they're very intricate. It's no longer one dimensional 233 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: just raised out of the stone at just a set 234 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: distance away. Now we've got full depth almost, and not 235 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: a use of perspective, but a use of form and 236 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: and everything that you see in an animal in terms 237 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: of its shape and punct So I guess the way 238 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: to describe it is that the reliefs in the beginning, 239 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: the first ones are more like drawings. They look like 240 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: just drawings on a piece of paper, do you just 241 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: cut away? Yeah, these are like sculptures full on. Yeah, 242 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, Yeah, I agree with that. And then um, 243 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: layer three, which is kind of the most oh I'm sorry, 244 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: those they dated to be in like eight thousand BC. 245 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: Maybe those structures. And then layer one, which I think 246 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: is like one of the most interesting parts, is all 247 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: backfill it's all this stuff they dug up so in 248 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: like eight thousand BC, they just filled everything in. So 249 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: now they filled in all three layers, all three of 250 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: these things covered the whole thing over. Yeah, they filled 251 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: everything in, or somebody filled everything and maybe the original 252 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: owners didn't do it. Yeah, you know that's and this 253 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: is kind of one of the most mysterious parts of 254 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: like why would you do that? You know, I mean, 255 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: they're I can actually I can actually think of a 256 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: couple of reasons why this is just really interesting. They 257 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: think that they brought in filler from other places that 258 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: it's not like the feeling that they dug out of 259 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: these places, not just like yeah, and it's not like 260 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: because you know, these are all all these spaces are 261 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: like in the earth a little bit, all of these structures, um, 262 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: so it's not like the stuff they pulled out of 263 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: these holes that they dug to build in. It's like 264 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: stuff from kind of far away teams have they actually 265 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: like taken the samples of some of the stuff and 266 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: gone around and done geological surveys to see if they 267 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: can figure out where it came from. Yeah, and they 268 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: found debris from up to like a hundred miles away. UM. 269 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: So that you know, that supports some theories that people 270 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: have about these but it's it's it wasn't intentional. It 271 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: was intentional that they filled this in. It was, yeah, 272 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: and it seems to have been a really peaceful filling, 273 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. That, like, if it was a 274 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: group that wasn't the group that was in charge of 275 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: this place or that built this place, they were very 276 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: respectful of it. They took the time to really fill 277 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: it in and try and make sure that all the 278 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: stones were filled in really well, almost as if they 279 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: were preserving it, which is really interesting. U. Yeah, maybe, 280 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's I just think it's a really interesting 281 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: given where we were in the like again, you know, 282 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to say yeah, I'm gonna say yeah, I'm 283 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: gonna use the term currently accepted because I think that 284 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: this is the big interesting part of this is that 285 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: it may force us to reconsider how human evolution happened 286 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: and when it happened, which, by the way, we probably 287 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: had to be doing all the time because pops up 288 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: all the time. So it doesn't according to my science 289 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: book from fifth grade. So the UM they've only excavated 290 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: like five percent. They think of this structure, so there's 291 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot to go. There's a lot to go, so 292 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: there may be more stuff that we find concluding alien artifacts. 293 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: How long have they been digging this thing up? Um? 294 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: So they found it in uh and I don't think 295 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: they started digging it up until a couple of years 296 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: after that, and it's been kind of touch and go. 297 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: And as far as them actually people actually excavating it, 298 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, more than five years, and 299 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: if it's in Turkey, you gotta think. Okay, well, if 300 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: we think about we always see those TV shows where 301 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: let's say it's somewhere in Egypt, they're they're rapidly digging 302 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: everything up. And the one thing that nobody ever talks 303 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: about usually they can't excavate all year long because in 304 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: the summer in anywhere that's in this part of the world, 305 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: it's super hot. Yeah I know that gets cold, the 306 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: cold and rainy, so you can't dig up. So I'm 307 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: guessing best six months a year they can do. Yeah, 308 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: I don't forget, like you know, archaeologists, they can't just 309 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: go in there with the pick acts and the shovel. 310 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: They usually work with a plastic spoon from McDonald's and 311 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: a fresh about the size of what they like script, 312 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, to stop and make notes in the notebook 313 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: and well and on top of that, since they found 314 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: that like this was intentionally backfilled. You know, often in 315 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: archaeological sites like this, if they're if you know, it's 316 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: like these big moolithic stones, you can kind of just 317 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: like you don't totally discard what you're finding, but you 318 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: don't really have to worry so much about that, And 319 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: like this they're saying, well, like this is part of it. 320 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: We have to preserve literally every bit of rock that 321 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: comes out of this place, just you know, see if 322 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: we can find out any information from any of it. 323 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Um Days of Indiana, Jones grab the most valuable items 324 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: and ran out. Yeah. Unfortunately, Yeah, they've radio carbon dated 325 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: this place, and you know, people are just really astounded 326 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: that it exists. I mean, conservative estimates put the invention 327 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: of the wheel um two thousand years after the building 328 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: of this place. You know, I've seen these images of 329 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: people like using logs and they're like rolling these stones along. 330 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: But you know, and I don't know, I don't know 331 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: when people figured out that that worked. I think that 332 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: probably the first time somebody stepped on a round rock. 333 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: This sip the whale is probably invented and then lost 334 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: and invented, lost many times during human history. Yeah, okay, 335 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: so so I don't know that. How old did they say? 336 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: This is ten BC? So eleven to twelve thousand years old. 337 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: They've estimated it would have taken five men per pillar 338 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: to move it from the quarry. We're talking about just 339 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: lifting and lifting and caring or pushing again. I mean, 340 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's like tons rock. Good luck at five 341 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: men underneath it. Yeah, Like it's just I mean, it's 342 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: it's a giant project. And you know, we're still in 343 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: our hunter gatherer phase. We're not really starting with big 344 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: tribes or anything like that. For you know, that many 345 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: people to have worked towards something that wasn't necessary for 346 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: survival is kind of mind boggling in a way. Yeah. 347 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: You know, it makes you wonder too if they actually 348 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: had domesticated some beasts of burden. Yeah, that a little bit. 349 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: I just think you know, the thing, one of the 350 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: things that makes this place so interesting is that, you know, yeah, 351 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: it's a massive amount of work, but people aren't really like, well, 352 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: it's totally unreasonable that people could have moved those stones. 353 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about Stonehenge where we're like, well, 354 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: how did they get them on top of their you know, 355 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: like that's okay, those are big stones and people moved 356 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: them and you know whatever, and that's a mystery and 357 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: of itself. But we can understand how people could have 358 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: moved these But that's like more people than we thought 359 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: like would have been together in a spot, working towards 360 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: a common goal, you know. And and you know, we 361 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: think of these people as like kind of figuring out 362 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: how like the bone arrow works, but not really concerned 363 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: about their spiritual well being. Right, So that's you know, 364 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: another part of it is that if it were clearly 365 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: a place where you know, everybody was hunting people and 366 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: or hunting animals and you know, it was a survival place, 367 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: it would make more sense. But it's it doesn't seem 368 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: to be that, and so that's really astounding, it is. 369 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that bothers me. Whenever we're 370 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: looking at a monolithic site, so we always say that 371 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: it is X number years old, and that is always 372 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: based on radio carbon dating. The thing that bothers me, 373 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this to you guys before 374 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: is when we've done monolithic science is something never I 375 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: can never wrap my head around. I finally figured out 376 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: what it is, which is my problem is is that 377 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: carbon dating can only be done to biological material. So 378 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: if it's a stone, we can't carbon date it because 379 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: it's eons old, because it's a hunk on the earth. 380 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: So all we can do is whatever organic material we 381 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: find at the site is what we can base our 382 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: dates upon. The reason that we can't do it on 383 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: anything but organic material is because the way carbon dating 384 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: works is we all have carbon in us, and we 385 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: were carbon based life forms. Okay, um, but we all 386 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: have carbon twelve in us, but there is what's called 387 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: carbon fourteen which is present in all of us, but 388 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: in very small amounts. And carbon fourteen has this half 389 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: life of five thousand, seven hun some odd years basically 390 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: fifty years, and that's it's half life. So they know 391 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: the approximate amount of carbon fourteen that's in the air, 392 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: in the atmosphere and implants at that time, so they 393 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: know how much should be there, and then they do 394 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: the math from there how much of it is broken down? Okay, well, 395 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: that's that makes sense. But then if we're going into 396 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: a site that's all stone, there's not a lot of 397 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: biological material left over, and especially on a site like 398 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: this where it's been backfill. I've got it, and and 399 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: not that I don't recognize how phenomenal the site is, 400 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: but I've got to ask how sure are we of 401 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: this number? Because these pieces of material that we're dating, 402 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: which there's not a whole lot of it, it sounds 403 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: like that they're finding if it's backfilled and they're digging 404 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: up somewhere else to cart material in. Well, that could 405 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: be older material that's in the ground, older organic material. 406 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: It's already been breaking down for god knows how long 407 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: this transferred in. So but this is the one that 408 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes me question the whole date. I 409 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: and s it's amazing if it's as old as they 410 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: say it are. But I wonder. But you know, you uh, 411 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: I know that from my own experience, like safe you get, 412 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: you know about my pile of concrete slabs in my driveways, 413 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: keeping organic material out of that it's hard. So if 414 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: they chills it up, all this rocket busted up, all 415 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: this rock froods somewhere else and transported to the site 416 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: and up it in It's almost a certainty that some 417 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: leaves and stuff like that would get in there, you know, 418 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: And so maybe that's what they're basing they're dating on. 419 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure again, but it could be. 420 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: It could be that they went down the other side 421 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: of the hill and they started digging a hole and 422 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: they got some old stuff. I mean, I'm not saying 423 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: that the age is wrong. I'm just I have a 424 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: hard time swallowing it. Knowing that there's this bit of 425 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: an issue when it comes to monolithic site. That's fair. 426 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't do any research on that 427 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: because literally everyone I've read about on this, and they're 428 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: all like pretty impressive accredited scientists and archaeologists, have also 429 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: not had a problem with carbon dating, So I you know, 430 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: when I was doing my research, I've just kind of 431 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: been taking it on faith that like, if this were 432 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: an issue, if they really had questions about it, somebody 433 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: would have brought it up um, And it doesn't seem 434 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: to be the case. I mean, if anything, people are 435 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: saying it's probablybly older than this carbon dating is saying 436 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: it is, which is, you know, an interesting thing in 437 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: and of itself, but it seems that when people are saying, oh, 438 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, or twelve thousand years old, that it's 439 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: kind of a conservative estimate, and it could very well be. 440 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: It could also be that because they're all involved in 441 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the project, they're all drinking the kool aid. To use 442 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: the old term it heard thinking. I mean I would 443 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: have to actually like talk to one of these guys 444 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: and find out their methodology. So if they're they're if 445 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: they're excavating all this stuff, I mean, if you if 446 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: you pluck some piece of debris out of there and 447 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: radiocarbon dated, well that's a little sketchy. If what you're 448 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: doing is is getting every little bit or from all 449 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: over the place, you know, varying depths and varying locations, 450 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: and you pretty much get the same reading, that's that 451 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: would be to me an indication that probably they're getting 452 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: an accurate estimate. YEA, I never thought how much material 453 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: they were finding other things. Yeah, I had some stuff 454 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: that said that it was a lot. Yeah, you got 455 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: you gotta kind of hope these guys actually know what 456 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: they're doing. We're taking a little bit of stuff on faith. 457 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: They really they were a yeah, there's one lead archaeologist 458 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: on this thing and his team are the team that's 459 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: working on it, But everybody else who does writing about 460 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: it isn't actually like a part of the excavation of 461 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: this project, so they're all kind of independent. It's essentially 462 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: being pure viewed. Yeah. Um, so, as far as I 463 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: can tell, nobody really has the problem a problem with this, 464 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know that it just one of those 465 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: things that always crops off what I think about these things. 466 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: It always there have been there have been some some 467 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: pretty big errors in the past and carbon dating, you know, 468 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: they have been So it's a it's a reasonable issue 469 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: to bring up. Yeah, all right, So let's so we've 470 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: got some theory. I'm assuming you've got theory. We have 471 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: a just a few theory about why how it was done, Um, 472 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: why they did it? Mostly okay, the how it's done 473 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: pretty obvious and stood it up, I guess. I mean, 474 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: there's not really a lot of theories on it. I mean, 475 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: we'll talk about some stuff maybe, but I mean most 476 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: of the stuff is, you know, it's it's the mystery 477 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: of how they did it is kind of I think 478 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: at this point people just accept that it means that 479 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: we have to reevaluate the probably prehistoric humans work, which 480 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: we're able to actually you know, actually make metals like 481 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: bronze at least. But so let me let me ask 482 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: you this, sorry if I'm jumping ahead or anything. But 483 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: have they found the place where these stones were quarried from? Yes, 484 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: they have, and they were quarried in quote Neolithic times, 485 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: which is like this time, but also in more classical times. Um. 486 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: They found big gashes in the earth where they thought 487 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: the big stones were probably taken from. UM, but they 488 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: can't find any information on like where this core is is. 489 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: It's close. It's pretty close. That's they call the plateau, 490 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: and you can think about it. They may not if this, 491 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: if they're still doing all this research, there may be 492 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: a certain amount of information that you want to hold 493 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: back so that not every time Dick and Harry runs 494 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: out there to check it out and take their own 495 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: piece of the rock and say, look this was carved 496 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: by you know man ten tho years ago and destroy 497 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: a sign. Yeah, so they But also I mean, I 498 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: suppose what I was curious about was whether there were 499 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: any unfinished T shaped slabs or anything like that. But 500 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: but but now that I think about it, I suppose 501 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: that those corries probably would have been in use years 502 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: after it was a mention of them, of the Romans 503 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: corrying some of it for like watch toowers and stuff. 504 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: So it's been I mean, it's been in use for 505 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, a long time afterwards, a long time. So 506 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, again they have these like big trenches. They 507 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: think this is probably where this rock came from, but 508 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: they don't actually know about any of that. Alright, Ready 509 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: to get some theories in here, theories up in here. Okay, yes, 510 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: the first theory. So it's a temple, like a normal 511 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: human temple. That's good theory. It's pretty good theory, right, 512 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: So most scientists agree this is probably the first example 513 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: of what's called the cathedral on the Hill, which would 514 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: have been the first place that people would have taken 515 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: pilgrimages to. So this is interesting for a lot of reasons. 516 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: They've found a lot of butchered bones and artifacts in 517 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: this area that shouldn't be around for like a hundred miles, 518 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: which kind of suggests that people came from a distance. 519 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Can no like um like plant materials, and well, if 520 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: if it's if it's a if it's butchered bones, that 521 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: means it's the animal carcasses that you know, they're rather 522 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: either doing sacrifices or they were showing down. That would 523 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: actually that would actually you know, discredit my concern about 524 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: the carbon dating, because if it's animal bones, you can 525 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: carbon date the heck out of those. It's not just 526 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: animal bones, but it's bones. There's lots of bones. Um. 527 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: They think it was a cult of the dead type 528 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: of a place, which is um instead of worshiping gods 529 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: or anything like that, you bring your dead to this place, 530 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: probably like wrapped in like you know, shrouds basically, yeah, 531 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: and then they animal the animals would just watch over 532 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: your ancestors carbon animals. Um. The problem with this is 533 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: they haven't found any tombs. They found a lot of bones, 534 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: like sacrifice bones, animal, but they haven't found any tombs 535 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: anything that looks like an intentional burying of dead people, 536 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: which it's been clearly documented that you know, thousands of 537 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: years prior to this, chro magnut man, Homo sapiens all 538 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: started burying their dead in like a field position, So 539 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: that's like that we've already had that in our history. 540 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: So the problem with the idea of a tomb situations, 541 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: they haven't found any tombs the whole. The whole problem 542 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: with that theory too is that it's dangerous to be 543 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: around the rotting corps for very long, especially back in 544 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: those days. Yeah, so I think that people probably would 545 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: have buried their dead and maybe made a pilgrimage later 546 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: on to pay respect to them at this place. Yeah. 547 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: So there are a couple other really interesting things that 548 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: happened like near this site. One of them is that 549 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: really close to this area, Genesis have traced the first 550 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: like DNA of domesticated wheat to this area, like within 551 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: twenty miles of this hill, So that would have been 552 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: like the first instance of agriculture in our history. So yeah, 553 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: an indication that there was some sort of civilization. Actually, 554 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: there was some kind of shift in societal norms happening here. 555 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: This is really the first place that you see that happen. Um. 556 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: There's also kind of some speculation that it's the first 557 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: accounts of animal husbandry. One of the things they talk 558 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: about a lot is that up until now, in like 559 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: the paintings that you see, the cave painting stuff like that, 560 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: any animal that's depicted is pretty much depicted in a 561 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: state of like either attacking somebody or being attacked by somebody, 562 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: so as in like a hunter gatherer society. Yeah, it's 563 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: in the hunt or you know, they're hunting you or 564 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: you're hunting it. And this is the first instance of 565 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: animals being depicted, even predatory animals like you know, we 566 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: said one of those reliefs looks just like a jaguar 567 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: or something, animals that are traditionally you know, against us 568 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: being depicted in just like a normal passive state. Um, 569 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: which is also kind of interesting. So they're talking about 570 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: this maybe being the first instance of domesticated animals in 571 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: this kind of situation, or at least a shift in 572 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: thinking towards what animals might be for us, if that 573 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, they could be allies and not just 574 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: enemies or food. Yeah. And again this is one of 575 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: those those things in this story that that got me 576 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: thinking about how we look at this stuff, because I'll 577 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: be honest, I remember looking one of the photos and 578 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: the photo said this is a fox, and I looked 579 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: at it and I thought, that's a big, ugly lizard. 580 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: It didn't look like a fox time. I thought it 581 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: looked like a rock exactly. I mean, and that's really 582 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: an interesting thing too. But so it What it got 583 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: me thinking though, is that from our point of view today, 584 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: because of the way that information goes, we know what 585 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: just about every creator in the world looks like, but 586 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: at that time they didn't. So they may have been 587 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: trying to depict something else, whether it be you know, 588 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: I in the dark, I saw this thing and it's 589 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: this mytho Lodge school. Whatever that they've built is something around, 590 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: a story around. But to us, we're going, oh, it's 591 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: a cute little fox. I totally get it. It's exactly 592 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for is we're projecting what we 593 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: know onto it. Yeah, and we can talk a little 594 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: bit about that. Um. I have some stuff to say 595 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: about that, a little bit, um. But it's true that 596 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: there there are carvings of animals that, like, you look 597 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: at and you're like, what that doesn't exist in Turkey 598 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: and it never has and it's fairly clearly an animal 599 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: like Anyways, we'll get into that. Okay, no, no, no no, 600 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: that's totally fine. Um. So one of the other things 601 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: is that a lot of people are saying these are 602 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: depictions of gods, which is kind of a problem because 603 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: it's five thousand years too early, although it's the same 604 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: place Mesopotamia, right, the Fertile Crescent was too early for 605 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: what too early for God's, it's too early for God. Um. 606 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: This is the first time, I mean the fully formed 607 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: depiction of a God that sits in this guy. We've 608 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: had idols, right, and we've had ancestors before then, but 609 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: not gods. It's a really big anthropological like discussion, um 610 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: that happens. But essentially five about five thousand years later 611 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: in Mesopotamia we see the first instance of God's. So 612 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: when you say it's too early for gods, what you're 613 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: saying is that we don't have any record of people 614 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: recording these beings that they're worshiping, or any or any 615 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: implication that they are worshiping anything. There's been a cult 616 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: of the dead for a long time. As like a 617 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: reverence to your ancestors. There's some you know, using of idols, 618 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: sort of you know, recognizing that there are things that 619 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: are bigger than us, but like a fully formed idea 620 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: of like a god, like an omni patent sort of 621 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: being above us that maybe created us, a creator situation 622 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: that apparently doesn't exist until much later. So again, yeah, 623 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: pretty much. Um, So there's a kind of a sub 624 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: theory on this, and that's the Ryan sub theory. It 625 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: basically says that this is a constellation, the constellation. Yeah, 626 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of discussion that we'll talk about 627 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: later that every monolithic stone thing from the past ages 628 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: was to Ryan. Okay, fine, you know, fine, but Ryan 629 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: is pretty prevalent in the sky, especially at this time 630 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: of our of our planet's history. So they talk about 631 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about a little bit earlier with the arms, 632 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: and um, there's a there are some of the carvings 633 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: that have like belts, like really clear belts on them. 634 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: Some looks like a belt like about but if they 635 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: were modeling after Orion's belt, wouldn't it just be three dots? Yeah, 636 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have belts like us, So that the 637 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: things that looked like a belt. Yeah. I mean so, 638 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: like even the people who are kind of making this claim, 639 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a really weak theory right now. 640 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: It's kind of like an idea they're throwing out there, 641 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: and you know, it seems to be in the really 642 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: early stages and they're kind of saying, well, you know, 643 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: we could see it being this but we don't really know, 644 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: We don't really have any good information on it yet. 645 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: So we're just gonna like throw it out there and 646 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: if people connect the dots for us, great. If we 647 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: continue to find information that connects the dots, great, But yeah, 648 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, the problem I had with this theory 649 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: is that we we know Oriyan the Constellation as Ryan 650 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: the Hunter. That's doesn't mean that people twelve thousands of 651 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: years ago I would have looked at that, that bunch 652 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: of stars and and said, oh wow, check it out 653 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: as a hunter. Yeah, it's a human I mean, there's 654 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: no reason to think. I mean, if you look at 655 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: most constant relations, they don't look anything like what they're 656 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: supposed to. It's very it's a very loose track. It's 657 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: extremely listen. Yeah, and there's no reason to believe that 658 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: anybody would have interpreted Ryan the Constellation as even being 659 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: a humanoid, much less being a hunter. Yeah. I mean 660 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of historic references to Brian being a 661 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: hunter from the Greece, the Romans, Mesopotamia. Fine, but again 662 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: yeah so, but it might do so Joe, the next 663 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: theories for you ancient aliens. Oh even better, Yeah, even better? 664 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: So of course, I mean, of course this is a theory, right, 665 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, of course it is. Who didn't see this coming? 666 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: You know, it's a theory for Stonehenge because people can't 667 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: figure out how Stonehenge is made, and that's like everything 668 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: there's seven thousand years later. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, of 669 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: course it is. And you know, I think it does 670 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: go a little bit to towards Joe's question of like, well, 671 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: how I personally choose to believe that it's totally possible 672 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: that humans made this stuff at that point in time. 673 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it's outrageous to think of, but I 674 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: do understand that a lot of people have a hard 675 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: time without tools, would be awfully hard to quarry stones. Sure, 676 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: it really would be, but or at least at least 677 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: copper or bronze or something. Yeah. So you know, one 678 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: of the big selling points of this theory is that, 679 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: as Joe mentioned, they haven't found any stone carving tools 680 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: in the site, which I think to a lot of 681 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: people's like really really like, oh my gosh, it was 682 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: aliens to me, all signs point to the making and 683 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: then like very frequent use of this place, right, So, 684 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: like I guess you like, if you go to a 685 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: modern church and you're like, oh man, there's so much 686 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: ornate stuff in here, but I can I can't find that. 687 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, how they plated this gold in this place? 688 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: A must be aliens, you know. For me, that doesn't 689 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: really hold water. The other thing to think of, okay, well, 690 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: is if this is as old as they say, you 691 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: know how, one of the easy ways that you can 692 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: break rock apart is with another rock. Huh. So you 693 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: take two rocks and you start beating them against each 694 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: other and eventually they're both gonna crumble. So not in 695 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: that my tool gives away. Yeah. The only problem I 696 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: have with that there is is it's great for for 697 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: sort of breaking a rock down into smaller pieces, but 698 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: if you look at some of the carvings, those look 699 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: like they had to have been done with more precise 700 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: tools and just bad. But to be fair, we are 701 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: in the Stone Age. I mean like we're in the 702 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: Stone Age. But we're in the Stone Age, so you know, 703 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: we do kind of know how to work rock. I mean, 704 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: you find some other idols that are carved not I mean, 705 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: this is is an incredible detail amount, but you know, 706 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: I guess I'm the same thing is looking at you know, 707 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: the absidian arrowheads that we see from Native Americans and 708 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: other cultures. Those things are beauty full in their own right, 709 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: and they're all very precisely done with the rock. Yeah, 710 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: it's one rock against another. Knowing exactly how rock breaks, 711 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: isn't that technical? Once you've done it a couple hundred, 712 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: couple of thousand times, you just keep breaking. Oh okay, 713 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 1: well now I kind of understand how this is gonna 714 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: break apart. Yeah, they could have made tools also out 715 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: of a city, and they could have you know, they 716 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: could have made carving tools out of the city and 717 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: not had to have bronze or copper or whatever. It 718 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: just means that, you know, you're gonna be spending a 719 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: hell of a lot of time carving out your T 720 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: shaped rock and the quarry. Yeah, I mean so that 721 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, again it's like, well it might have been 722 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean thinking back to those times, you know, 723 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: think about this, you know, your grandfather actually started working 724 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: on quarry and this T shaped rock, you know, and 725 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: and you're like done, Okay, we're getting close to done here, 726 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,959 Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, it's it's still not quite corried out. Yeah, 727 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: it's that's a big mystery for sure, And I think 728 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: that that really helps to explain why people are so 729 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: prone to going to something like ancient aliens, because it 730 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: makes much more sense to a lot of people to say, oh, yeah, 731 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: they use plasma cutting tools. Yeah, the alien laser cut 732 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: it apart with that, then we targeted by hand from there. 733 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: I nobody sort of chipped it up so to make 734 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: it look like ancient cut of by alien plasma. Yeah, 735 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: so they're as you know, Steve was kind of saying 736 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: a little bit this the next like part of this 737 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: is a little more solid to me. Um, you see 738 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: things in these carvings, like geese. They're pretty clearly geese. 739 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: I when you look at it and you're like, that's 740 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: definitely a goose, which never existed in Turkey, nor do 741 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: they have any records of it ever having existed in Turkey. 742 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: So people talk about like, well, I was aliens because 743 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: aliens were like, hey, carve a thing that looks like this, 744 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: that exists a lot in the world. I think that 745 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: actually feeds like a theory that I have a little later, 746 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: a little better than the ancient alien theory, but that 747 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: it seems to get kind of like clumped in there 748 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: with aliens. You know, let's let's let's not say that 749 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: it's a goose per se. But if you see birds 750 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: flying around all the time, there are birds that have 751 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: big bodies, and they're birds that have long necks and 752 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: big wings, and there's all kinds of birds around that 753 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: are like that. Marn't necessarily geese. So it could be 754 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: that it was some indigenous bird that has died out 755 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: or was hunted out, or god knows it was might 756 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: have been the dodo for all I know. But you actually, 757 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, it could be also that the aliens look 758 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: like geese. It could be it's true. Yeah, I guess. 759 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: I I don't want to belabor this too much. I'm 760 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: just saying that I don't buy that it's goose. That's fair. 761 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: I think, you know, they're more in There are other instances. 762 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: But again, you know, like we don't know, like what 763 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: was there then, you know, so maybe they're we don't 764 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: know what wasn't there. The whole the whole Middle East 765 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: being the cradle of civilization, everything was subjected to quite 766 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: a bit of environmental abuse. And it used to be 767 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 1: forest land and grassland, and now it's basically a desert. 768 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: Because yeah, they you knows it totally. So I'm sure 769 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: there were a lot more animals living there back in 770 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: the back of the day. Yeah. So that's one of 771 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: the things they talked about is that like this would 772 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: have been a really beautiful place, this hill, it would 773 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: have looked over like this really beautiful like paradise plan 774 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: and you know, the Black Sea was like way higher, 775 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: and there was this ice thing that was like a 776 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: couple of thousand miles away that really like it just 777 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. Apparently it was a paradise. It was. 778 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: It was a paradise. So the next theory that I 779 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,479 Speaker 1: want to talk about, because we're on crazy theories right now, 780 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: is that the Robert M. Shots is probably how you 781 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: pronounce that. He the who who knows he's an associate 782 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: professor of Natural Sciences at the College of General Studies. 783 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: In the College of General Study, it is a two 784 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: year non degree granting unit of the Boston University. So 785 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: take this with a grain of salt. Ye, wouldn't that 786 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: be embarrassing? I have agreed from those guys I was 787 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: accepted here. You're not that um. So he thinks that 788 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 1: there's a connection with the Easter Island and also Um 789 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: thinks that Stone Stonehenge is also connected. He thinks basically 790 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: like every single monolithic prehistoric site is all connected, that 791 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: they were all built at the same time, including the Pyramids. 792 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: And oh well, so he comes in with like a 793 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: theory that I'm going to talk about next that is uh, yeah, 794 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: he kind of partners with this other guy at this 795 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: opper theory. We're we're in the crazy theories. Guys were 796 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: in the crazy part, deep in the crazies. So he's 797 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: quoted as saying, both the moi and the anthropomorphic central 798 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: pillars of goldbeck A Tepe have arms and hands positions 799 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: similarly against the body, with hands and fingers extended over 800 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: the belly and naval region. The moi are looking at 801 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: the sky, and I believe the goldbeck A Tepe pillars 802 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: are also looking towards the skies. Are they looking at 803 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: identical phenomenon? So he thinks that there are these things 804 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: called plasma events, which is a thing that we have 805 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: on Earth. It's a real thing. Yeah, essentially, it's we 806 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: see a lot of as lightning or like aurora borealist um. 807 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: But apparently, uh, they used to be way more frequent 808 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: and they would have been way more apparent. Wait wait 809 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: what why would they have been more frequent? Well, so 810 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: I guess this like a little bit makes sense to 811 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: me that like the sun was still settled. I mean, 812 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: this is a long time ago, and yet it's like 813 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: a long time after the creation of the universe, but 814 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: it's still a long time ago. The Sun was a 815 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: little more volatile. Apparently, you know, it's you know, in 816 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: terms of the history of the Sun, though, I mean, 817 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: twelve thousand years ago is basically basically basically like late 818 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: this morning, not even late this morning. It was like 819 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: it was like maybe six o'clock. For whatever reason, the 820 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: Sun was more like volatile in the period. Ostensibly, this 821 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: is again, this is just what I could find on 822 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: this theory from this dude. Like I I'm not saying 823 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: that it's right or wrong, but apparently they were more 824 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: He also said, it's more solar flares, is what I'm getting. Yeah, 825 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: I guess it's entirely possible the Sun did go to 826 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: a period of like a lot of intense solar flares, 827 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: like you've heard about the Carrington event, correct, I think 828 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: it was eighteen fifty six the sun this Yeah, the 829 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: suns the sun like speed out a huge solar flare 830 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: which hit the Earth. Um and by the way, we 831 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: should be gearing up for another one because it's going 832 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: to happen against sooner or later. But this big solar 833 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: flare hits the planet and basically a lot of borealist 834 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: type stuff in the sky. But it also fried what 835 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,280 Speaker 1: we what little we had in terms of electronic sandwich 836 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: basically was maybe telegraph lines, but telegraph office is caught 837 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 1: on fire and stuff like that. I mean, our crude 838 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: infrastructure was was kind of kind of destroyed. Yeah, and 839 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: so imagine what would happen today. Really, it's a lot 840 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: of solar activity our atmosphere. Yeah, over a period of 841 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm guessing hundreds of years, there's a lot of it 842 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: going on. To I got her, this kind of it 843 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: would have to go on for a while. Yeah. The 844 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: there's this other guy named Anthony Parrott and he's a 845 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: lost alamos plasma physicist and they apparently have established that 846 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: there are some petroglyphs that have been found worldwide that 847 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: record a really intense plasma event or events in prehistory. Uh. 848 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: He's determined that powerful plasma phenomenon observed in the skies 849 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 1: take on characteristic shapes resembling humanoid figures and humans with birdheads, 850 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: sets of rings or doughnut shapes, and writing snakes or serpents. 851 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm not buying that, which are just Yeah, can I 852 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: say projection once again? Yeah, yeah, you totally can't. So 853 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: they also addressed the backfield. This is the only theory 854 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: that really addresses the back Okay, okay, I'm game for this. 855 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,919 Speaker 1: So basically they say, you know there were roofs on there. 856 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: They say they back build it so that they would 857 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 1: be protected from the plasma events. So, yeah, they built 858 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: these things because of some for some reason, because they 859 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: thought in the sky, and they decided to build hundreds 860 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: of years quarrying rocks that are like and then they 861 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: decided to like fill them into protect them from those 862 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: sames things that they built them for because they understood 863 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: that it was radiation and that if you're underground you 864 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: could have a fallout shelter. Yeah, okay, well I just 865 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: don't all board of that. No, I don't like that theory. 866 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: So to go along with this theory, there's another theory. 867 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: It's called the third party theory. It's been developed by 868 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: this man named Graham Hancock. He's a mother culture proponent 869 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: and according to his Wikipedia site, he specializes in quote 870 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: unconventional theories. What is mother culture? So it's this theory, okay, Okay, 871 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was something different. No, it's 872 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: all the same, um so as it pertains to like 873 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: Goldbecky tepee, but it also pertains to like a lot 874 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: of basically everything that this other guy was saying. They're 875 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: all connected. This guy says, um that there's this long 876 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,720 Speaker 1: forgotten third like branch of humanity that evolved way faster 877 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: than we did and did all of this stuff and 878 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: then was just wiped out ten thousand years ago and 879 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: we forgot about them, and they built this thing that 880 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: makes sense? Right. Actually, I feel really bad, okay, because 881 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: when I was reading this and everybody was saying, well, 882 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: van wasn't evolved enough. I started looking in and wondering, well, 883 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: when did the chromas go away? Well, the chromags went 884 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: away thirty thou years ago, so it couldn't have been them. 885 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,320 Speaker 1: So then I was saying, well, maybe it was some 886 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: culture that I didn't necessarily think that it was some 887 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: offshoot of humanity in terms of another Homo Sapien line. 888 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,399 Speaker 1: But what if it was some culture that was isolated 889 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: from all their hunter gather warring neighbors for whatever reason. 890 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: They start to move along and evolve and use tools, 891 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,240 Speaker 1: and do these things become really peaceful and they can 892 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, they can cultivate grain and all that stuff, 893 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: and then they build the whole thing and then everybody 894 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: finds them, but they're peaceful. So everybody else is going, 895 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: you're freaking me out. I'm gonna hit you with my 896 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 1: acts because that's what I do to things that freaked 897 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: me out. But talking about for this one site, right, 898 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: because this theory pertains to literally every monolithic I'm saying 899 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: just I'm just saying, go back, okay, and I'm willing to, 900 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: like a little bit get on board with you on 901 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: that as far as and we're saying it's just this 902 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: one thing. But he says, even the Pyramids were built 903 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: at the same time as all this other stuff, because 904 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: it looks like there was rain damage to it, and 905 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: the only time that Egypt has ever had rain that 906 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: much was in ten thousand years ago, so obviously they 907 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: were built ten thousand years ago, along with the Moi 908 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: at Easter Island, along with all of the stuff down 909 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: in South America, all of the oh eight, nothing in 910 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: North America because we're not special, you know. So he says, 911 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 1: it's like all of these were created by this like 912 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: Mother culture, which I think a lot of people kind 913 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: of retribute to the ancient Aliens and the Mother culture. 914 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,800 Speaker 1: So the Mother Culture was basically all over the world. 915 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,319 Speaker 1: So he was a a offshoot not humans, but an 916 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: offshoot of humanity that spread and then died for some reason. 917 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: And just a beer didn't look any different from us 918 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: on a bone structure level or a DNA level or 919 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,719 Speaker 1: anything like that. Right, But if they were that sophist good, 920 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: they should have left a lot more ruins. Well, no, 921 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: they were. They were using the those awesome skimmers that 922 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: you get from the Aliens. Yeah, and so what was 923 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: what was the movie? It was the Flash Gordon skimmers. 924 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: They were jumping for all over the world and then 925 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: rebuilding their new and building their new sites. That's what 926 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 1: it is, Ah Gordon Wake, Runners of the Sky. It is. 927 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: So now we're gonna come anyway, not to address that 928 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: your theory that these guys have built go Beckley Tempe 929 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: or a peaceful culture that's just highly unlikely. I mean, 930 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, they were like, you know, it's it's kind 931 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: of like if you're a rabbit and you're in the woods, 932 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: living in the woods, and and you decide, you and 933 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: your your bust of rabbits decide, Hey, you know, we're 934 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: not gonna sweat this whole predator thing. We're just gonna, like, 935 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, go out and eat our grass and just 936 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,399 Speaker 1: pretend like they don't I mean the whole thing. I mean, 937 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,879 Speaker 1: man lived in this environment of scarcity and conflict and warfare. 938 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's our history, that's that's in our DNA. 939 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,400 Speaker 1: So the idea of a peaceful culture somehow popping up, 940 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: it's like kind of hard to believe. But you could 941 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: mean maybe on an island they could be isolated. Because 942 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 1: if you think about if you ever looked at the 943 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: maps and again this is something that I saw, let's 944 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: say in the chro magnet man. Is if you look 945 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: at where chromagnet man was, and then you look where 946 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: home and Homo sapiens started. Knowing how we encroached in, 947 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: it might have been that these guys were just kind 948 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: of in a pocket. Have you ever been in the 949 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,360 Speaker 1: woods and you came across something and you realize that 950 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: there's an old tractor park there that's probably been there 951 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: for fifty or seventy years and nobody's messed with it. 952 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: It's just kind of a random spot. It could be 953 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: that they were just in a lucky zone that nobody 954 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,799 Speaker 1: had gone to for whatever reason. And it's plausible. I'm 955 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: not saying that's what it is, but I think it's 956 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: plausible that a group of people could live in an 957 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: area for an extended period of time and never be found. 958 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we're finding people in South America today still 959 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,919 Speaker 1: they still have no clue who the hell we are. Yeah, yeah, 960 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: but but yeah again and that and that's possible. But 961 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: those cultures aren't going to be by any sense advanced 962 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: because any culture that's that isolated, where it's just a 963 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: small pocket of people off somewhere there, you know what, 964 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: in isolation from the rest of humanity, with no trading 965 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: back and forth of ideas and stuff, then you simply 966 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: don't advantage. It was the prehistoric engineers. It was a 967 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: group of engineers. Yeah, it could have been dropped back 968 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,359 Speaker 1: in time. Okay, I'm sorry making fun that's a that's 969 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: a good point, though it might be it might be that, uh, 970 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,920 Speaker 1: and this might be they might have been predisposed to, 971 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, figuring things out like that rather than just 972 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: going with the status quo. And this is well, you know, 973 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 1: imagine this how this ties in with the city atom 974 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: and legend. Say, these two really really hyperintelligent people somehow 975 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: find each other copyright, have children, start a little tribe 976 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,799 Speaker 1: of very smart people, and they do actually wind up 977 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: doing all kinds of amazing things. We're going to talk 978 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,439 Speaker 1: about that, are we I ain't kind of a little bit. Yeah, 979 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about that because we have arrived 980 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 1: at the biblical theories. So there's I guess we'll just 981 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: go We'll just go into it and then we'll have 982 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:41,359 Speaker 1: the discussions as we go. Do that noise exactly? Awesome? Yeah, 983 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: So the first one is a Noah's Ark theory. No, 984 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair. I mean, I think it's 985 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 1: a pretty easy leap to make, right. I mean, it's 986 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,680 Speaker 1: like this large, huge collection of animals for prehistoric time 987 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: from what a lot of people identify as a biblical 988 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,880 Speaker 1: time right in the in the biblical land. Okay, all right, 989 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: I can kind of see how this is again getting 990 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 1: back to the variety of animals that are carved in 991 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: the stone. Yeah pretty much. Okay, so this this is 992 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: where this theory is being lent from. Yeah, just so 993 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: I get my frame. Are So it's you know, like 994 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot of animals, a lot of animals that probably 995 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: aren't really from around there as far as we can tell. 996 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: And again, who knows what was there? What wasn't how 997 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 1: much we're projecting, you know, find whatever? And gold back 998 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: to Tepe is like three and fifty miles from where 999 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: Biblical scholars are pretty sure that Noah's ark would have 1000 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: ended up. You know, if you kind of look at 1001 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 1: the Bible stories as parables, kind of accepting this place 1002 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: as a place that everybody was like, oh hey, that 1003 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: totally existed. Uh, you know, there are a lot of 1004 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 1: problems with this theory. It's not it's not a really 1005 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: sound theory. Okay. Wait, so in in it's been a 1006 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 1: long time since I've read the Bible, and I will 1007 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: admit this. Uh, where was Where was Noah from? Was 1008 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: he from harang? You know what? As far as I 1009 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: can tell, he was from Mesopotamia at the general area. 1010 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't. I it's also been 1011 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: a while for me to be honest with you, and 1012 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't recall it being in my research, I didn't 1013 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,919 Speaker 1: see anything where they were like and he was from here, 1014 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: so blah blah blah. I think the more important part 1015 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: of the whole story is like where he ended up 1016 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 1: now where he started because he was in the flood. 1017 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like, are you kidding me? He's on this 1018 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: giant boat in the flood flood the whole world or 1019 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 1: maybe just the whole world, and but okay, like the 1020 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,000 Speaker 1: whole world. It flooded, and then they ended up someplace, 1021 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: which sounds way more interesting when you say it that 1022 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 1: way than that John Cusack movie about it. Yeah, that 1023 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,000 Speaker 1: was so bad. I never thought anyway. So, so where 1024 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: are they saying that that Noah's came to rest, his 1025 00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: ship came to risk at gate Temper? I mean, you know, 1026 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: it's if you take it as like most people kind 1027 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: of take those stories as parables at this point, right, 1028 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: Like Noah probably didn't really make a giant arc. Yeah, 1029 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: so that this would have been some sort of like 1030 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: representation of the arc of the preserving of all of 1031 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: the species that were there at that time, which is 1032 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: a fair thing to say about it because essentially even 1033 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: it maybe somebody it was like it was kind of 1034 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: like a smithsonian istude or something something like that, kind 1035 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: of like just keeping like a recording of everything. Yeah, 1036 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned her On though, and he is another big one. 1037 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: They're the two big ones that everybody talks about. And 1038 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,440 Speaker 1: Heran they think is like twenty five miles from Gobeck 1039 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: a Tepe, so they're really really close, Yeah, really close. 1040 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: There are some problems with this one is the like, 1041 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 1: Abraham was a pretty smart guy and he lived in 1042 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,160 Speaker 1: her On, and he if this were a Noah's Ark situation, 1043 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: the theories a little confused, but like he would have 1044 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: known about this place, but the flood happened after Abraham, 1045 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: so he wouldn't have known about this place. But Abraham 1046 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 1: definitely didn't exist in ten thousand BC and this place 1047 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 1: and this place would have been long buried. So that's 1048 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: not so much of a problem for me, except that 1049 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Bob Ballard did this expedition in the Black Sea and 1050 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: he found a bunch of stuff, a lot of really 1051 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: amazing stuff that was it was mostly like flooded houses 1052 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: and stuff that people would have lived in. They found, 1053 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: they found an old they found old shore lines. Yeah, yeah, 1054 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a really deep black sea is 1055 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: really deep, so yeah, I bet it used to be 1056 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot smaller than it is. Yeah, it used to 1057 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: be way smaller than the ice cap. Whatever. Anyways, a 1058 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,200 Speaker 1: flood actually happened in that area, but it happened in 1059 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: five thousand BC, and people kind of except that that's 1060 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: when like Noah's flood would have happened, is five thousand BC, 1061 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,160 Speaker 1: which is five thousand years later. Then our are a 1062 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: little temple, which couldn't possibly be So it sounds like 1063 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 1: I had again, this is a convenient marrying of two stories. 1064 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 1: And the next is Joe was kind of hinting at earlier, 1065 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: is that this is the historical site of the parableistic 1066 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Garden of Eden. So okay, So most people again except 1067 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: that the Garden of Eden story is a parable it's 1068 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,400 Speaker 1: not an actual thing that happened that, Like God didn't 1069 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: actually like reach out of the sky and and from 1070 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,439 Speaker 1: dirt create one single man and then from his rib 1071 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: create one single woman. Most people kind of exact that 1072 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: it was kind of the moment when we turned from 1073 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the hunter gatherer society into kind of a more agricultural 1074 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: society kind of gained the knowledge of right and wrong. 1075 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 1: And that's and that's when we became when when with 1076 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 1: the apple and everything, we became the knowledge of good 1077 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,120 Speaker 1: and evil. In other words, would be we became more 1078 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 1: than animals. We became people human who were able to 1079 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,720 Speaker 1: understand what our actions were all about. And therefore, you know, 1080 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: we couldn't just I catch this, like you know, if 1081 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm a wolf, I can go devour another creature. And 1082 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: while I'm not a murderer, I'm just a wolf. I'm 1083 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: a human being, and I go kill another human being, Well, 1084 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm a murder because I know better. And that's that's 1085 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,080 Speaker 1: what it's all about, because you recognize that it's another 1086 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,800 Speaker 1: person and it's not just some preying Yeah. Yeah, it's 1087 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: like it's like and and so the whole gist of 1088 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,479 Speaker 1: that is that is that that's our intelligence is also 1089 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: our curse. That's the ancient wisdom, is that I'm even 1090 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, and you know, most people kind of 1091 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: accept that it was a thing that actually happened in 1092 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: human history. It was kind of an event. To add 1093 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 1: to this, the Bible has kind of like vague coordinates, 1094 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,640 Speaker 1: like it's between two rivers for the actual well, we're 1095 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: in the two rivers, which it says which two rivers, 1096 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: and it kind of talks about the land mass, and 1097 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: previously biblical historians had placed it within fifty mils of 1098 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,439 Speaker 1: where gold back at Tepe is. That's really i mean, 1099 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,320 Speaker 1: like of all of the places in the world, that's 1100 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 1: really pretty close to the pin. Yeah. And again, you know, 1101 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 1: like the Fertile Crescent Mesopotamia, there's not all like a 1102 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 1: whole you kind of you know, you put it up 1103 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: on the dartboard and you're pretty close to everywhere. People 1104 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: are kind of talking about it being like a geographical 1105 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: turning point, like the place where we came together as 1106 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,439 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens and realized that there was maybe something more 1107 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: than just killing everything became like what we would call 1108 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,919 Speaker 1: fully human, and we were more than just running around 1109 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 1: and chasing critters down and eating everything we found, we 1110 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 1: could make it ourselves and cultivating. Yep. So you know, 1111 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,760 Speaker 1: that was kind of the thing that we were talking 1112 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,160 Speaker 1: about a little bit earlier, that this place was really 1113 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 1: like paradise at that point. I mean, you know, it 1114 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: looked beautiful, unled, it was totally unspoiled. There were there 1115 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,640 Speaker 1: was everything we needed. There were rivers, there were fish, 1116 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: there were you know, like massive amounts of wheat and 1117 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: stuff like that that we could cultivate, and there were 1118 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: animals that we could turn into herds, and we could 1119 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: become shepherds. And it seems like it would have been 1120 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: like if there was gonna be a place for this 1121 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: historical turning point in our revolution, this would have been it. 1122 01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,360 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's conceivable. You know, there's a theory 1123 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 1: that originally, the old theory is that Egypt had a 1124 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 1: very advanced, wealthy society and then they decided to build 1125 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the pyramids. And yet there's another theory that essentially the 1126 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: building of the pyramids actually drew people in from the 1127 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: countryside and got people learning skills and stuff. And actually 1128 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,120 Speaker 1: that's in a sense is what kick started and created 1129 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: Egyptian society and their civilization. Basically, the city had jobs, 1130 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: which is what we see today in all over the 1131 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,840 Speaker 1: world is what we go to the city because there's jobs, 1132 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 1: and then you learn and so yeah, and so and so. 1133 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: It sort of reverses that whole thing and the and 1134 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,400 Speaker 1: and it is a possibility if you can sort of 1135 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: see this idea that the building of the thing, which 1136 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 1: would have been a monumental o' taking back in those states, 1137 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,400 Speaker 1: would have drawn people in from all over and and 1138 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 1: actually created a civilizy. It actually could have been the 1139 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,160 Speaker 1: kernel of the civilization, which of course is long and 1140 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,080 Speaker 1: long since died out. And that and that's a that's 1141 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: a compelling theory. Except where did where did all the 1142 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,880 Speaker 1: buildings go? Maybe they're still buried somewhere, they probably are, 1143 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 1: but that that's the interesting thing, is that there there 1144 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: should be villages surrounding this thing. Maybe they're there and 1145 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: they're still just buried and we haven't found him yet. Yeah, 1146 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean, as we said, they've only astivated what they 1147 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 1: estimate to be five percent of this place. I mean, 1148 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe it turns out that all the rest of the 1149 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: things were actually like living facilities or working facilities or something, 1150 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: or with tense or if you think about if intense 1151 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,560 Speaker 1: is kind of where I'm going, if you think about 1152 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,640 Speaker 1: a lot of major cities in third world countries where 1153 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: they have very advanced building technology, but that everybody goes 1154 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: home to a very poor, ragged society. Right, it's well, 1155 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: and you know today's skin, but back then it may 1156 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,440 Speaker 1: have been seven sticks and a couple of pieces of 1157 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: high hung up, and you had this barrio, for lack 1158 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: of a better term, all around it. That's where everybody 1159 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,640 Speaker 1: lived in their kind of barrio Tens City. And when 1160 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,600 Speaker 1: you were done, every oh, well, he laughed, I'm gonna 1161 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 1: take his stick, and I'm gonna take that stick and 1162 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,680 Speaker 1: take this skin. And then of course they break down 1163 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: and they wear out and they get beat down, and 1164 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,120 Speaker 1: that would explain why there's no record of this stuff, 1165 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,280 Speaker 1: because it was so thin is the word I can 1166 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: come to mind, but just so short lived that of 1167 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,200 Speaker 1: course we can't find it so well. No, but but 1168 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing about it is is people leave, 1169 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 1: People leave junk behind. People have garbage stumps and things 1170 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 1: like that. If if I were, if I were an 1171 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: archaeologist and I we're working on this project, you be 1172 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:07,480 Speaker 1: looking for USB drive, Yeah yeah, and now I would 1173 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, I would be I would be looking for 1174 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,400 Speaker 1: the nearest spring, the nearest creek, the nearest river where 1175 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,480 Speaker 1: probably people would have set up camp and built their 1176 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 1: villages and stuff. And I would be looking for garbage 1177 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: dumps and just looking for a residue of human beings. 1178 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,040 Speaker 1: But I think that's the difficult. If it's been years, 1179 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,640 Speaker 1: that's going to be hard. Everything's moved. Yeah, it's also 1180 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,400 Speaker 1: not uninhabited. There are people who have been living here. 1181 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: It's literally like the cradle of civilization. Hundreds of different 1182 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 1: communities have come and lived in spaces like this. The 1183 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: reason they found this place is because a shepherd, that is, 1184 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,200 Speaker 1: sheep wandering over it. I mean as possible. I mean, 1185 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know where the nearest village is in relation 1186 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,919 Speaker 1: to this. How far a mile? Two miles? Yea far? Yeah, so, 1187 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean that village might actually have been one of 1188 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,040 Speaker 1: the villages of this little civil civilization that built the 1189 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: side maybe you know, built there's an airport away. I 1190 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 1: mean it's not yea possible. That's why we need to 1191 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,840 Speaker 1: go into those villages and basically kick the people out 1192 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 1: and start excavating. I think that's probably fair. Yeah, that 1193 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,400 Speaker 1: sounds were still going to be on society committee, Joe. 1194 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 1: That's all the theories, but I guess you know, they're 1195 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 1: just so. I mean, they're the stories of like why 1196 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 1: and how why? Why did they fill them in? Who knows? 1197 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,559 Speaker 1: That's That's the thing that throws me every stinking time 1198 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: that I review this story. Is why in the hell 1199 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,600 Speaker 1: did somebody fill it in? Yeah, and I know I 1200 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,719 Speaker 1: said this before, but I can only see that one 1201 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 1: culture built it and another culture was scared of them. 1202 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 1: And let's say they considered him demons or something they 1203 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,479 Speaker 1: were gods or I don't care which way you go 1204 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,679 Speaker 1: with it, but there was some hesitation to just destroy 1205 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,800 Speaker 1: what they had made because of the backlash. So you 1206 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,439 Speaker 1: fill it in. Well, it was pretty much until pretty 1207 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,599 Speaker 1: recently in human history, whenever you um overthrew another city 1208 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 1: or overthrew another people, you always raised their city and 1209 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,920 Speaker 1: murdered all the inhabitants. And so in this case, it's like, well, 1210 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,600 Speaker 1: it's not exactly a city, it's kind of underground a 1211 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,679 Speaker 1: little bit, so we'll just fill it instead. That's good enough. 1212 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,560 Speaker 1: But I think I think another possibility is that the 1213 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,600 Speaker 1: people have built this and thinking of course this is 1214 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,400 Speaker 1: a long term project, they might have intended to actually 1215 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,400 Speaker 1: put a roof on this thing of stone. So I mean, 1216 01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,240 Speaker 1: if you and if you look at those those those 1217 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: T shaped stones that are by the way, we're set 1218 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,439 Speaker 1: in holes in the ground. Every hold them up right 1219 01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,280 Speaker 1: and everything, they look like they look like freeway supports. 1220 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 1: Almost you know what I'm talking about. If they do, 1221 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880 Speaker 1: they look like something that was built to support a span. 1222 01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Something that's something that somebody at some point was planning 1223 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,240 Speaker 1: on coming and setting a big slab of rock on 1224 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: top of you to make a roof for that. Well, 1225 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,519 Speaker 1: that's where the mother ship. Yeah, that's that too. If 1226 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,919 Speaker 1: you wanted to do that, the logistics of it our daunting. 1227 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 1: The the easiest way to do it, I would think, 1228 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,040 Speaker 1: would be to fill in that whole area around them. 1229 01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,200 Speaker 1: Then you wheel in your slab and muscle on top 1230 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 1: of that thing, and then afterwards, when you're all done, 1231 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,120 Speaker 1: you scoop the fill out again and waha, you've got 1232 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: your thing. But of course, ancient civilizations like our own 1233 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,479 Speaker 1: civiliation civilization today, being fragile and subject to disruption and 1234 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,360 Speaker 1: even extinction. Uh, Somewhere between the filling in and actually 1235 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,679 Speaker 1: the quarrying of this big piece to go on top, 1236 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,080 Speaker 1: something happened and the project never got completed. Another possibility 1237 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,280 Speaker 1: is that they got the roof on there, and then 1238 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,240 Speaker 1: somebody else came along afterwards after they were extinct and 1239 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,640 Speaker 1: wanted to salvage those big slabs of stone for some 1240 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: of their project, so they filled it in just to 1241 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,599 Speaker 1: facilitate getting the stones down, the big slabs of stone. 1242 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,719 Speaker 1: I like the idea that, um, it's preservation. I think 1243 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: we as humans, we don't tend to destroy things that 1244 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,200 Speaker 1: we perceive is very important. I mean, we tend to 1245 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,519 Speaker 1: destroy things we perceived as important to other people. That 1246 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: tell other people. Yeah, but if we if we think 1247 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,679 Speaker 1: they're important. I mean it's you know, things like the Pyramids. Yeah, okay, 1248 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: there was like marble on their once, right, and like, okay, 1249 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: we stripped that off, but like we didn't destroy, like 1250 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,040 Speaker 1: demolish them. That would have been a major undertaking. It 1251 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 1: would have been a major undertaking to destroy these things too, right. 1252 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,040 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, in my like beautiful utopian world, right, 1253 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,639 Speaker 1: this is the Garden of Eden, and we've just like 1254 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh man, we should keep this, 1255 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Like people are gonna want to know about this, all right, 1256 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 1: let's start it, let's let's fill it in. I understand 1257 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:46,080 Speaker 1: that's like it's totally a bad theory, but like in 1258 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,439 Speaker 1: my brain, in my like little fantasy world, that's totally 1259 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, Yeah, I think I think that either 1260 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,000 Speaker 1: somebody wanted to destroy them by by burying them, or 1261 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 1: somebody had a practical purpose in doing it. That's fair. 1262 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,840 Speaker 1: What do you think you you just look angry. No, 1263 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,679 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look angry. I just there's there's 1264 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,519 Speaker 1: and and as with everything, there's a piece missing that 1265 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,839 Speaker 1: doesn't add up for me. I've already said my piece 1266 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,240 Speaker 1: of I don't buy into the age of these things 1267 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,040 Speaker 1: based on the evidence that we can find. But I do. I. 1268 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,439 Speaker 1: I find it intriguing an odd that the whole thing 1269 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,200 Speaker 1: was filled in, but I don't know why, and so 1270 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,679 Speaker 1: I don't know which way to go. I mean again, 1271 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,439 Speaker 1: I I kind of feel like one group built it, 1272 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,800 Speaker 1: and another group founded and were mystified and either revered 1273 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,479 Speaker 1: or afraid of that first group back filled it. Because 1274 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,519 Speaker 1: the back field is the big mystery to me. Yeah, 1275 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,360 Speaker 1: not why the hell did somebody build us in the 1276 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,280 Speaker 1: first place? Why did somebody Because I can only imagine 1277 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: the size of this site. That had to take a 1278 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 1: long time to fill this in, and not just fill 1279 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,519 Speaker 1: it in, but you gotta overfill it because anybody who's 1280 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: filled in a whole nose that which means that you 1281 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 1: know you've got us just cover tons and tons of 1282 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,360 Speaker 1: material over so that's where the big mystery for me 1283 01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,599 Speaker 1: is maybe they were scared of falling in. They didn't 1284 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 1: want to fall in inuld could they were afraid of lawyers. Yeah, 1285 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,439 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we can get sued. Yeah, 1286 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 1: you're in the future. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys 1287 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: of stoneheage, they're taking their own risk, but not us. 1288 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 1: That's why. But that's why I think that in my theory, 1289 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,240 Speaker 1: and it's still probably incredibly fallible, but the idea that 1290 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,759 Speaker 1: they somebody filled it in just so they could spirit 1291 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,120 Speaker 1: away those big slabs of stone, which, by the way, 1292 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: what do you think about it? The slabs of stone 1293 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,880 Speaker 1: they would have taken to span those things would have 1294 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,519 Speaker 1: been huge. But and if I think, if you have 1295 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,600 Speaker 1: somebody take the time to cut it up for you 1296 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,880 Speaker 1: ahead of time, yeah, yeah, it's pretty awesome. So if anybody, 1297 01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,639 Speaker 1: if you come along and you're looking at those things 1298 01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,719 Speaker 1: and you think, and how can we salvage those things? 1299 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,479 Speaker 1: We can either we can get down to that some 1300 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,479 Speaker 1: quarry and we can spend fifty years chiseling these things 1301 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: out of the rock. We can get them out of here, 1302 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,720 Speaker 1: getting them out by filling in that whole thing and 1303 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,559 Speaker 1: spiriting them away would probably be a much easier job 1304 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,479 Speaker 1: than inquirying them yourself. And so that's that's kind of 1305 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,479 Speaker 1: why I'm thinking, either somebody and did that to salvage 1306 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,360 Speaker 1: those things, or they did that because that in order 1307 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,240 Speaker 1: to get them on there to begin with. And of 1308 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,200 Speaker 1: course it's a share pure speculation, and I'm probably totally 1309 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,880 Speaker 1: full of it. So that's all the theories. And we 1310 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,680 Speaker 1: already talked about what we like and what we don't like. Aliens, 1311 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,519 Speaker 1: maybe probably plasma events, I don't know, Yeah, that's the 1312 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: plasma event thing. It was the mother race that that's that. 1313 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: That is one of the most far flown theories. Rather, 1314 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,400 Speaker 1: I just even I couldn't. I try to be the 1315 01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,479 Speaker 1: pregmatist of the group maybe, but even I'm like, no, 1316 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,360 Speaker 1: I can't find the idea that seven is going to 1317 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:04,640 Speaker 1: look up at the s guy see a bunch of 1318 01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,120 Speaker 1: Aurora borealis events and thing, Wow, let's go carve a 1319 01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,200 Speaker 1: ton of stone out and build a thing. Yeah that 1320 01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: looks exactly like a bird. Yeah yeah yeah. And and 1321 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,960 Speaker 1: of course remember these things must have taken a long 1322 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,840 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, And so at some point somebody to say, 1323 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,680 Speaker 1: why are we doing this exactly. Yeah, Dad, why have 1324 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,759 Speaker 1: I been doing this for the last seven years because 1325 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 1: I told you to? Yeah, we had to light to 1326 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 1: the sky, that's it, because I thought once maybe exactly. 1327 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,920 Speaker 1: So you know, so this is big, big mystery. We've 1328 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: been doing a lot of mysteries. Yeah, yeah, I guess 1329 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,800 Speaker 1: we do. Yeah. I think that ancient man really liked 1330 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,400 Speaker 1: carving stone a lot. You know, it was his pastime. 1331 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Invented soccer yet, yeah, you know, like well, you know 1332 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,400 Speaker 1: when I was in Peru and I was looking at 1333 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,080 Speaker 1: there's these incredible stone work creations that they made, these 1334 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,280 Speaker 1: incredible walls and stuff like that, and the amount of 1335 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 1: care it must have taken, and I thought to myself, 1336 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, why did they do this? And my then 1337 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,160 Speaker 1: that the only theory I could come out that was 1338 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,800 Speaker 1: plausible is that this was their form of art. This 1339 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,400 Speaker 1: was this This was like they didn't have like painting 1340 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,960 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. This was what everybody was into. 1341 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,639 Speaker 1: It was like, wow, these really awesome walls. Think about 1342 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,599 Speaker 1: it this way, though, is that if you look at 1343 01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:32,439 Speaker 1: it from an art standpoint, I can do watercolors on paper, 1344 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,559 Speaker 1: or I can do oil paintings on canvas, which one 1345 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,120 Speaker 1: degrades and falls apart. First, what our color on paper? 1346 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,640 Speaker 1: Paper falls apart, especially paper at the time. So I 1347 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,400 Speaker 1: can carve a log and I can do beautiful work, 1348 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: but that means that it's gonna be outside and it's 1349 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,639 Speaker 1: going to be displayed for everybody to see, and that's 1350 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,639 Speaker 1: gonna fall apart. Don't fall apart within ten years at 1351 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the outside, it'll of degree at it completely. So that 1352 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: means the only way that I can show my reverence 1353 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 1: is to do it and show my artistic ability. Used 1354 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,120 Speaker 1: to put it in something permanent, which would be stone. 1355 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,719 Speaker 1: So that's to me, that would be a logical reason 1356 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,680 Speaker 1: why to you stone all time? Yeah, I mean it 1357 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,920 Speaker 1: was just what people were into. You know, it was there, 1358 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,640 Speaker 1: it was their art form, it was and you know, 1359 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's just so interesting to see something as 1360 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,360 Speaker 1: a large scale as this. Yeah, you know, maybe it 1361 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: was just like a giant art exhibit, but it's a 1362 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:37,240 Speaker 1: big art exhibit, very big, you know on this one. Yeah, 1363 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:43,320 Speaker 1: oh they have Yeah. So anyways, that's a Tempe, very 1364 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:50,400 Speaker 1: cool Tempe. We've been mangling it all my I think 1365 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:59,160 Speaker 1: it's that's what it is. Okay, it's Turkish anyway, we 1366 01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: have solved them as sure, So it was aliens. Okay, 1367 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, you can put your money on that. Yes 1368 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,759 Speaker 1: it was aliens. Right, So thank you Joe for solving 1369 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,600 Speaker 1: that mystery for us. Ar'll just disband. 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