WEBVTT - Hot Fuzz 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.920 Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:15.120 of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.800 and today on the show Hot Fuzz, we're talking about 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:24.560 wuffy animals who manage cairdoos without hair per se. That's right. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.520 These are furries without the fur, critters that look really petible, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.440 but you probably shouldn't. So how do you get fuzzy 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.760 without being mammalian? Discover this and more as we answer 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.760 the age old question are moth's just tiny flying bunnies 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.760 to Joining me today is Friend of the Show, Friend 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.800 to All Animals, and hosts of Just the Zoo of Us, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.479 as well as Spellbound and gag Ellen Weatherford. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:58.240 Welcome, what's up? Hello, let's go. I probably just clipped 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.400 my mic, but that's okay. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:04.160 All right, we're getting mad hyped for fluff on this show. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.760 We're talking fuzzy guys, and these aren't mammals, so it's 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.680 not technically fur, but boy, they're bringing it. They're bringing 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.040 the fluff. Look in like the sort of Paris Hilton wearing. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:18.520 Was it? 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.680 Like? I think it was fake fur? Maybe it's real 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.399 for I'm not really sure, but it's very Paris Hilton. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.080 Yeah, the like a like a fluffy boa for a moment. Yeah, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:34.480 the the like gothic, sort of like widowed, like standing 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.440 in the doorway with a glass of wine, answering the door, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.280 like very suspiciously. Yeah, going my husband, No idea where 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:43.160 he was that evening. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:48.520 My husband's been missing for a you would you like 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:53.160 to see my rose garden? It's been nice and in 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.279 the shape of a single funeral plot. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.560 Always with that cigarette that's like a foot Yeah, the 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.600 one on the cigarette holder that she has, and she 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.240 kind of like makes little shapes. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.080 In the air with it, Like, of course I didn't 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.160 murder my husband. I'm too busy planting roses in the 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.560 shape of a human body outside. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.680 I have no idea where who was that evening? For 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.600 the questions, no one. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.320 Eh, how I hated him and would have benefited financially 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:28.200 from his death. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.200 So that's that's what the vibes of these crabs are. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.720 I'm gonna say. So we're first, we're going crab Ellen. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.079 You ready for crab? 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.160 I have never been more ready for crabs. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.320 It's crab times. We've talked about crabs on the show. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.920 How the Universe the arc of the universe is long, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:53.240 but it bends towards crab. These crabs are perhaps my 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.640 favorite crab now that I've learned what they are. These 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.520 are fuffy crabs with sponge chats. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.600 Now, the image you've provided for me is putting a 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.359 lot of work in. There's a lot of heavy lifting 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:13.120 being done by this image, and so it's so good 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:18.440 the word picture. Okay, So the lower crab, the lower 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.440 image is a crab with arms outstretched, sort of like 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.040 if a crab could t pose. It's in sort of 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.239 like a has arms sort of straight out in front 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.799 of it, like it is perhaps like Superman flying through 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.600 the Airman. Yeah. And the arms on this thing, first 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:42.080 of all absurdly long, yeah, stretch armstrong looking dude, and 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.400 covered in like what what looks to me like an 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:50.480 eighties fringe, sort of like how you would expect maybe 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.520 like a jacket from the eighties, or I think even 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.880 like Ken in the Barbie movie had a jacket with 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.240 this sort of leg like a fluffy fringe. So that 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.480 fringe is just kind of running all down the arms 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.440 and also a little bit on the legs as well. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.440 And the upper image has a crab from the front 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.560 where the crab is also decked out in this fluff. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.680 This fluff looks a little bit more like hair. It 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.520 looks a little bit more like like a hairstyle. But 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.960 it does have a great big lump on top of 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.400 a great big brown sort of mass, just plopped right 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:25.840 on top of the old mogan. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:31.280 A lovely crabby lump. So, yes, these are We're going 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.120 to talk about both of them. Let's first talk about 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.480 the one with the fluff and the lumps. So this 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.479 is Lamark Dromia beagle. It is a spies. Yeah, it's 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.560 Lamark Dromia beagle. It's a say species of crab that 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.960 has two amazing things going for it. It wears a 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.240 completely vegan fur coat and then a not exactly vegan 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.800 hat made from a living sea sponge. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.440 That's an animal product for sure, Yeah, it's it is. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:08.320 I guess it's still technically an animal product if it's alive, right, Like, uh. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.760 Now, I think there's a suffering component to be considered here, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.760 Like I think it has to be, like because I 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.760 don't know if the animals not suffering, is that is 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:17.680 that vegan friendly? 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.640 You know? Like because in this situation, the sponge is fine, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.440 it's alive, it's getting a free piggyback ride. It is 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.000 technically a hat though, so I don't know if I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.600 would call it a vegan hat. But it's also not. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:31.800 Like being exploited. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.200 It's being It is in a way being exploited for 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:42.160 both fashion and also to protect it from potential predators. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.600 But as far as I understand it, the sponge is 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.640 okay and possibly but it's great. The sponge is doing 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.960 just fine, possibly benefiting from it. I don't know how 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.800 strong the evidence is of the sponge benefiting, but it 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:01.159 does get a free move around, and it maybe has 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.479 more access to filter feeding options and gets distributed in 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.240 a way. So I would say that this is much 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.719 more likely symbiosis than exploitation. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.800 It is everything's coming up, sponge, everything great for this. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.960 It's kind of like if mister Crabs had like a 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.880 super seventies beard and hairstyle and like war SpongeBob as 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.560 a hat. And I'm sure there's already art online of 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.000 that that you don't want to look at, So yeah. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.040 Don't look up mister Crabs and SpongeBob Fani. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.800 Yeah, don't, Yeah, just don't. Mister Crab's wearing SpongeBob. Not 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.680 a good idea, don't do it, sad search, bad search, 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:50.960 and then yeah. But this crab, called the Lamark Dromia 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.520 beagle is not called that because it looks like a 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.279 little fluffy puppy crab, even though that certainly certainly helps. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.599 It is also named after Darwin's O the Beagle, and 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:06.320 also the other less celebrated evolutionary biologist Lamarck, who came 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.360 up with some not exactly right theories of evolution that 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.559 were helpful nonetheless in getting as closer to evidence based truth. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.840 He was not as wacky and like goofy as I 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.800 think we learned sort of in middle school. He actually 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.400 did come up with some pretty good ideas, but you know, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:28.200 not always completely right there, but fun but fun but 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.280 fun and also not completely wrong. Now that we know 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.640 about epigenetics, so la mark, the ideas that you could 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.800 get some traits that you pass on through sort of 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.680 your environment, the way in which he conceptualized it not correct. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.760 You can't like gain muscles or something that you pass 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:51.120 on to your child necessarily, but there are epigenetics, so 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.960 that that idea that the environment can affect your the 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.160 structure of your DNA when it comes to your gam 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.360 mets potentially correct and it's it's a but yeah, he 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.800 that's not why he thought that, so he was still 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:06.400 pan wrong. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.240 Anyways, he was ahead of his time, that's all. We 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:12.760 were ready for him. We were ready. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.560 He was a time traveler, and he was like, I 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.840 believe if you have a swool giraffe, it's gonna have 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.480 a baby's pool giraffe. Because he didn't really understand what 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.240 was going on. So, uh, this crab was discovered in 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.160 Western Australia in twenty twenty two. So this is a 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.360 recent discovery. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.000 Uh, wake up, babe, wake up new crab. Just trup 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:35.480 you fluffy crab. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.120 Just dropped in Australia. Are you surprised? It's Australia and 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.640 all the cool stuff they really do. So Uh, it's 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.880 only about nine millimeters wide, so it's it's pretty little. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.720 That's probably why it hasn't been discovered before. There's just 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.120 so many different crabs. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:51.520 Uh. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.000 It is covered in golden fur and it's a sponge crab, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.400 meaning it wears that sponge on its back. There are 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.360 many species of sponge crabs, most of them are not 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.920 fluffy like this though, so sponge crabs have specifically adapted 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.439 tiny hook like back claws back legs that they use 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.520 to hold sponges onto their backs, which provide them camouflage 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:18.720 and protect protection from predators, especially when they choose species 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.720 of sponges which have toxic compounds in them that definitely 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.959 yuck a predators yum. Also, the texture the mouth feel 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.600 of sponges aren't very gone. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.160 I've heard that. I talked to a biologist who worked 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.199 with freshwater sponges, and she mentioned that if you were 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.320 to kind of like you know, I don't know, squeeze 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.040 or like, you know, feel the texture of a sponge, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.760 it would feel very gritty because they're made of a 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.240 lot of like silica, Yeah, a lot of like glass 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.960 like structures, so it would be very it would be 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.120 like just kind of crunching on fiberglass. I guess. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.440 Yeah. It's like when you see insulation as a kid 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.440 and you're like, that looks like hot and candy, and 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.760 then you stick all your mouth and then boom, you've 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:02.880 got mess with thelma. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.040 Childhood is a series of discoveries about like the differences 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.680 between something looking tasty and being tasty. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.920 I still contend that those little white crusty things in 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.200 dirt are pretty good. They tasted pretty good. They're like 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.319 some kind of fertilizer. Don't eat them, they're bad. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:23.640 Squad rise up. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.959 Yeah, I like you dirt. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.960 It's it's it's the little egg pieces from the Wingspan 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.440 game for me. Yeah, just I want to put them 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:31.959 in my mouth. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.560 I do appreciate it now when restaurants make sort of 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.680 like a dirt crumble around ice cream, because I'm like, yes. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:45.320 That's exactly what I want to think, thank you. So yeah, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.880 don't eat sponges, don't eat sponges, and don't eat dirt. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.960 I'm gonna say you can get I do. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.080 I feel like I've heard a lot of I've heard 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.439 a lot about crabs putting other sessile creatures just right 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.199 on their old noggin. I feel like this is a thing. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:10:59.920 Crabs are really. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.319 Yes, like pom pom crabs sessile. It means anything that 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.920 basically latches itself onto a rock and they're like, I'm 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.440 good for the rest of their life and they just 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:16.200 sit there like sn Enemies say like sea squirts do that, 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:21.280 sponges do that, coral they're all sessile. Uh And yeah, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:22.920 there are a lot of crabs that make you say 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.080 of that, like the pom pom crabs that they hold 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.040 little sea an enemies on their little front claus like 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.760 boxing gloves, and it's this like symbiotic relationship. It's actually 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.400 one of the only cases in nature where an animal 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.280 like helps another an like a separate species helps another 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.360 species with reproduction. Obviously flowers and pollinators, that's the symbiosis 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:52.480 before these crabs they because they pull apart sn enemies. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.720 That helps them reproduce because basically they split and then 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.319 they butt into two unique individuals. So they take one 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.680 sea an enemy, pull it apart. Now it's two semies, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.840 and they wear them on their little arms like boxing gloves. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.040 And then this it's an infinite glitch. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.360 It really is. And they feed them and it's it's 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.640 like having a sentient pair of gloves. Uh. And these ones, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.680 well they're maybe sentient is possibly overstated there for sea enemies, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.280 but yes, so sponge crabs, they wear sponges on their hats. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.840 I highly recommend uh you look up sponge crabs online. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.560 I'll have the picture of the fluffy one. But there's 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.080 so many different flavors of these guys and I love 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.760 all of them. They're all like they're like the little 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.160 goblins of the sea or elves of the sea. Like 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.839 they all have like creative little hats made out of sponges. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:46.720 It's incredible. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:48.160 You can't go wrong. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.920 They're like great, they like sea cobalds. I love them 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:58.720 so uh yeah, they also look so grumpy. They you 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.240 mean my head alone, don't you dog me? Don't you 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.960 do me here by head? Ever again? 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.120 I do like how often crabs come upon an animal 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.559 just sitting there minding its own business, and you're coming 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.920 with me. Let's go, let's ride. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.040 We're rolling a damn jen. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:32.079 You're going. I like the crab character my sponge. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:41.480 Road little boot lega some sea moon can. I can 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.240 only do this for so long before my throat gives out. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.400 I love this little guy. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.439 He's amazing. I love sponge crabs are incredible. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.640 You didn't tell me you had another guest booked for 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:59.480 this episode. That's incredible, snake sponge crab. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:07.800 So the reason it has fluff, well, it was discovered 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.320 in twenty twenty two. So the basic answer is we 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.040 don't know. Nobody really knows yet, but the guess is 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.000 that it might help them camouflage better. It might make 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:22.040 their outline more indistinct. So like when a predator comes up, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.040 it's like, this thing is covered in a sponge and 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.760 it's furry. I don't know what's going on here, and 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:34.360 the spongecrab is like heye, Kevin. So this is an 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.360 interesting thing. So I would suspect that because it's a 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.240 recent discovery that we will get more information about, Like 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.640 why does it have these these hairs? These are it's 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:49.359 not fur exactly, these are you know, hair like protrusions. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.480 These are filaments that they have all over their bodies. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.960 That I mean, it really does just look like fluff, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.120 like soft fluff, but it's super super cute. So the 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:09.800 other example of a fluffy uh crustacean is the Yeti crab, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.120 which is the other picture you pointed out, that one 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.480 with the really long arms with the fringe like kin 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.160 in the Barbie movie. It's sort of this. It's a 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.360 it's an eggshell white. It's very classy looking, uh crustacean. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.080 Uh and uh. I keep calling it a crustacean because 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.880 weirdly enough, this is not a crab. Uh. Yeah, it's 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.640 it's yet not yet well, it's in there there. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:36.280 Uh. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.120 Yeah, this is yet another victim of carsonization who has 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:46.520 gone I shouldn't say victim, another beneficiary of carsonization. Yeah, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.880 this is the Yeti crab. And it's called a Yeti 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.160 crab because it looks like a crab, but technically it 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.280 is not a real crab. Uh. It's in its own 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.240 family of weird hairy arm decapods. Like it's just its 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:58.720 own thing. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.360 Uh it is it is, Yeah, pioneer. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:06.320 It's Kineff all right. So it's found in the depths 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.640 of the South Pacific Ocean on the ocean four at 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.320 about two thousand, two hundred meters below, so that's like 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.160 seven thousand, two hundred feet. It's deep down in there, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.400 and it's about five inches long. Its arms are like 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:26.280 most of its body length. They are blind, and their 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:32.160 hair filaments are actually covered in bacteria. And this bacteria 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.920 the idea is that this bacteria may help detoxify water 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.000 that comes from thermal vents, like they have their own 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.240 little like Britta water system on their arms. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:43.880 That's so cool. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.720 Yeah, So it's it's really fascinating. And the reason I 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.440 bring them up is because I suspect we'll find some 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:57.240 kind of interesting quality about the the Beagle the Beagle 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.000 crabs in terms of what they use that hair for. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.920 It could be just for camouflage, but I wouldn't be 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.919 surprised if there was. If we found some interesting bacterial 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.680 growth in there, that could be another example of symbiosis 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.640 in addition to the sponge hat. Because these crabs are 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.760 just they're all about making friends and bringing them on 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.480 a road trip. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.200 Just it's the more the merrier with crab exactly. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.919 Well, we are going to take a quick break and 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.719 when we get back, Ellen is going to drop some 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:29.520 dope moth facts on me. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:34.840 Mouths. All right, we are back. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:35.960 It's moth time. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.200 It's moth time. It's real moth hours. I hope you're 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.200 listening to this at night, because that would be real 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.600 moth hours. Yeah, there's a isn't there a Star Wars 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.800 person named moth mon Mathma. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:54.120 Mon Mathma, Is he a mothman? I would love that ona. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.520 Unfortunately they're not brave enough to put moth doesn't he. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.720 Doesn't have just like a moth. He's you know, they really. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:01.960 Well, mon Mathma is a woman. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.240 Okay, it's mon Mathma mom Yathma. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.080 Yeah, yeah, have fun trying to say that wars on Mathma. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:14.159 Oh, she's just a lady. That's disappointing. She should have 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.960 had big moth eyes at least, and like. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.680 Cre more moth elements, I feel it, really they. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.240 Really drop the ball on that, and I really want 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.840 mothman to be cast in movies more. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.960 You know, we need more roles for cryptid actors. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.480 We do need more roles for cryptid Cryptid representation, I 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.440 think is a good idea. So so let's let's talk 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:43.679 about moths. Uh, they're basically fluffy butterflies. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.240 I'm gonna say butterflies exactly. You switched to night mode, right, Yeah, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.960 So Lepidopterans or the family of the moths and the butterflies, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.960 and the butterflies are the ones that are more active 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.200 in the day, so they're bright and colorful, and then 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.080 the moths are usually the ones that are more active 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:03.280 at night, and so they tend to be fluffy. Now, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.000 most moths are to some degree fluffy, Like the body, 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.760 the sort of abdomen and thorax area will be fluffy 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.960 to some degree, and some moths really lean into the 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.600 fluff where they'll have fluff all over their legs and 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.800 even on their wings a little bit. But so before 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.440 I get into some examples of of my favorite fluffy moths, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.080 I wanted to look at what makes moths fluffy? Like 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:30.879 why are they? 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.400 I mean, it's fluff, Ellen, It's just fluff. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.600 It's so often during like while doing like research for this, 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.920 I was like, what does it matter? What the difference? 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.720 Like, it's flocking. You dip you dip him in hot 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.840 mod podge and then you flock them. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.680 It's like functionally, you know, it works so similarly to 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.320 hair or feathers or things like that. So for for 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.520 moths and for butterflies also, their coating is made up 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.359 of lots and lots of tiny, tiny elongated scales. So 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.080 even what looks like hair on their body, those are 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.639 just long, skinny scales. And I think sort of a 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.040 key difference between like the scales and how like hair 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.760 would be is that they are they're not just growing 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:22.159 out of like the exoskeleton or the cuticle. They're attached 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.119 by a pedicel, which is like a like a little 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.360 stalk that they're like attached by it, and they're attached 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.560 pretty loosely, so they come off very easily. So if 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.119 you've ever don't do this. But if you've ever touched 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.800 the wings of a moth or a butterfly, either one, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.760 you may look at your fingers afterwards and find that 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.880 there's like a powder fudge, a little residue. Yeah, there's 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.000 just a little something on your fingers. And those are 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:49.320 detached scales, right, So the scales come off very very easily. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.360 They just just like a nudge, we'll detach those scales. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.840 Which there's a reason for that, which I'll get into 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.879 in just a second. But basically, for months they have 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.760 really leaned into these long, fluffy scales all over their body, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.560 not just like the ones on the wings that give 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:04.200 them colors. 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.440 So are they like a dandelion where if you pick 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.480 up one of these guys and blow hard enough, all 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.000 of that fluff is just gonna come off because it's 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:12.160 so loosely attached. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.400 I feel like you'd have to blow really hard for that. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.680 But get out, my heart driver. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.000 Put one of these dudes in one of those like 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:21.920 wind tunnels. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.680 Oh, the poor little babies, don't they're too cute. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.880 Don't do that, they are cute. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:28.719 I don't want tunnel. 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.440 I don't want anything bad to happen to a moth ever, I. 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.119 Know, I know, just sit them in one of those 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.840 like G force training units for sending off astronauts. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.080 That does seem like something some board scientists with with 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:45.200 like a spare grant. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.360 Yeah, it's a little proboscous, like waggling behind them. 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.080 With the moths they got those fluffy antennas would just 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.720 be like spirally like like a dog with its head 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:03.320 out the window. So cute, They're so cute and so okay. 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.600 So there's a few different reasons why moths have this fluff, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.239 which can be all over their body even like they 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.680 can even have like fluffy wings, which is pretty interesting 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:17.600 to see. Oh. But so moths are typically nocturnal. They're 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.640 out at night and during the nighttime temperatures are cooler. 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:23.800 It is a lot colder than it is during the daytime. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.720 So fluff can help insulate them against the colder nighttime temperatures. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.399 So there's like insulation. That's like a normal thing that 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.159 things have fluff for. Another thing which you touched on 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.760 for the fluffy crabs is having a fuzzy outline because 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.880 moths spend a lot of time at rest, so they'll 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:42.640 spend a lot of time just laying on the side 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.480 of a tree or you know, on a branch or 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.720 something like that, and having a fuzzy outline breaks up 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.280 their silhouette and it can make it really difficult to 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.960 see them when they're at rest. It's a lot easy. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.159 It's a lot more difficult to make out that shape 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.600 if it's a blurry shape, and it can make predators 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.960 just like miss them entirely, which is cool. Another reason 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.639 for the fluff is that those scales fall off very 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.360 very easily. Like I mentioned that, you could just yank 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.600 them right off, so it makes them slippery. So if 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.840 they get, for example, like caught in a spider web, right, yeah, 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.840 they can just sort of like scotch tape themselves right 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.200 off that thing and leave all their scales behind and 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.280 lets the rest of them off li free. 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:29.400 It's the classic move like if say, you know someone's 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.720