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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show Hot Fuzz, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: wuffy animals who manage cairdoos without hair per se. That's right.

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Speaker 1: These are furries without the fur, critters that look really petible,

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Speaker 1: but you probably shouldn't. So how do you get fuzzy

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Speaker 1: without being mammalian? Discover this and more as we answer

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Speaker 1: the age old question are moth's just tiny flying bunnies

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Speaker 1: to Joining me today is Friend of the Show, Friend

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Speaker 1: to All Animals, and hosts of Just the Zoo of Us,

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Speaker 1: as well as Spellbound and gag Ellen Weatherford.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, what's up? Hello, let's go. I probably just clipped

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Speaker 2: my mic, but that's okay.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're getting mad hyped for fluff on this show.

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Speaker 1: We're talking fuzzy guys, and these aren't mammals, so it's

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Speaker 1: not technically fur, but boy, they're bringing it. They're bringing

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Speaker 1: the fluff. Look in like the sort of Paris Hilton wearing.

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Like? I think it was fake fur? Maybe it's real

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Speaker 1: for I'm not really sure, but it's very Paris Hilton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the like a like a fluffy boa for a moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the the like gothic, sort of like widowed, like standing

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Speaker 2: in the doorway with a glass of wine, answering the door,

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Speaker 2: like very suspiciously. Yeah, going my husband, No idea where

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Speaker 2: he was that evening.

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Speaker 3: My husband's been missing for a you would you like

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Speaker 3: to see my rose garden? It's been nice and in

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Speaker 3: the shape of a single funeral plot.

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Speaker 2: Always with that cigarette that's like a foot Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: one on the cigarette holder that she has, and she

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Speaker 2: kind of like makes little shapes.

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Speaker 3: In the air with it, Like, of course I didn't

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Speaker 3: murder my husband. I'm too busy planting roses in the

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Speaker 3: shape of a human body outside.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea where who was that evening? For

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Speaker 2: the questions, no one.

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Speaker 3: Eh, how I hated him and would have benefited financially

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Speaker 3: from his death.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's what the vibes of these crabs are.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. So we're first, we're going crab Ellen.

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Speaker 1: You ready for crab?

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Speaker 2: I have never been more ready for crabs.

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Speaker 1: It's crab times. We've talked about crabs on the show.

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Speaker 1: How the Universe the arc of the universe is long,

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Speaker 1: but it bends towards crab. These crabs are perhaps my

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Speaker 1: favorite crab now that I've learned what they are. These

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Speaker 1: are fuffy crabs with sponge chats.

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Speaker 2: Now, the image you've provided for me is putting a

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Speaker 2: lot of work in. There's a lot of heavy lifting

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Speaker 2: being done by this image, and so it's so good

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Speaker 2: the word picture. Okay, So the lower crab, the lower

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Speaker 2: image is a crab with arms outstretched, sort of like

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Speaker 2: if a crab could t pose. It's in sort of

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Speaker 2: like a has arms sort of straight out in front

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Speaker 2: of it, like it is perhaps like Superman flying through

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Speaker 2: the Airman. Yeah. And the arms on this thing, first

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Speaker 2: of all absurdly long, yeah, stretch armstrong looking dude, and

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Speaker 2: covered in like what what looks to me like an

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Speaker 2: eighties fringe, sort of like how you would expect maybe

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Speaker 2: like a jacket from the eighties, or I think even

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Speaker 2: like Ken in the Barbie movie had a jacket with

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Speaker 2: this sort of leg like a fluffy fringe. So that

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Speaker 2: fringe is just kind of running all down the arms

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Speaker 2: and also a little bit on the legs as well.

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Speaker 2: And the upper image has a crab from the front

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Speaker 2: where the crab is also decked out in this fluff.

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Speaker 2: This fluff looks a little bit more like hair. It

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Speaker 2: looks a little bit more like like a hairstyle. But

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Speaker 2: it does have a great big lump on top of

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Speaker 2: a great big brown sort of mass, just plopped right

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Speaker 2: on top of the old mogan.

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Speaker 1: A lovely crabby lump. So, yes, these are We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about both of them. Let's first talk about

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Speaker 1: the one with the fluff and the lumps. So this

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Speaker 1: is Lamark Dromia beagle. It is a spies. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Lamark Dromia beagle. It's a say species of crab that

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Speaker 1: has two amazing things going for it. It wears a

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Speaker 1: completely vegan fur coat and then a not exactly vegan

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Speaker 1: hat made from a living sea sponge.

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Speaker 2: That's an animal product for sure, Yeah, it's it is.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's still technically an animal product if it's alive, right, Like, uh.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think there's a suffering component to be considered here,

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Speaker 2: Like I think it has to be, like because I

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Speaker 2: don't know if the animals not suffering, is that is

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Speaker 1: You know? Like because in this situation, the sponge is fine,

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Speaker 1: it's alive, it's getting a free piggyback ride. It is

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Speaker 2: Like being exploited.

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Speaker 1: It's being It is in a way being exploited for

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Speaker 1: both fashion and also to protect it from potential predators.

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Speaker 1: But as far as I understand it, the sponge is

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Speaker 1: okay and possibly but it's great. The sponge is doing

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Speaker 1: just fine, possibly benefiting from it. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: strong the evidence is of the sponge benefiting, but it

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Speaker 1: does get a free move around, and it maybe has

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Speaker 1: more access to filter feeding options and gets distributed in

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Speaker 1: more likely symbiosis than exploitation.

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Speaker 2: It is everything's coming up, sponge, everything great for this.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like if mister Crabs had like a

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Speaker 1: super seventies beard and hairstyle and like war SpongeBob as

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Speaker 1: a hat. And I'm sure there's already art online of

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Speaker 1: that that you don't want to look at, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: Don't look up mister Crabs and SpongeBob Fani.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, Yeah, just don't. Mister Crab's wearing SpongeBob. Not

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Speaker 1: a good idea, don't do it, sad search, bad search,

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Speaker 1: and then yeah. But this crab, called the Lamark Dromia

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Speaker 1: beagle is not called that because it looks like a

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Speaker 1: little fluffy puppy crab, even though that certainly certainly helps.

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Speaker 1: It is also named after Darwin's O the Beagle, and

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Speaker 1: also the other less celebrated evolutionary biologist Lamarck, who came

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Speaker 1: up with some not exactly right theories of evolution that

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Speaker 1: were helpful nonetheless in getting as closer to evidence based truth.

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Speaker 1: He was not as wacky and like goofy as I

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Speaker 1: about epigenetics, so la mark, the ideas that you could

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Speaker 1: your environment, the way in which he conceptualized it not correct.

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Speaker 1: You can't like gain muscles or something that you pass

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Speaker 1: on to your child necessarily, but there are epigenetics, so

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Speaker 1: that that idea that the environment can affect your the

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Speaker 2: Anyways, he was ahead of his time, that's all. We

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Speaker 2: were ready for him. We were ready.

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Speaker 1: He was a time traveler, and he was like, I

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Speaker 1: believe if you have a swool giraffe, it's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a baby's pool giraffe. Because he didn't really understand what

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Speaker 1: was going on. So, uh, this crab was discovered in

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Speaker 2: Uh, wake up, babe, wake up new crab. Just trup

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Speaker 2: you fluffy crab.

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Speaker 1: Just dropped in Australia. Are you surprised? It's Australia and

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Speaker 1: all the cool stuff they really do. So Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: only about nine millimeters wide, so it's it's pretty little.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why it hasn't been discovered before. There's just

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Speaker 1: so many different crabs.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It is covered in golden fur and it's a sponge crab,

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Speaker 1: meaning it wears that sponge on its back. There are

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Speaker 1: many species of sponge crabs, most of them are not

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Speaker 1: fluffy like this though, so sponge crabs have specifically adapted

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Speaker 1: to hold sponges onto their backs, which provide them camouflage

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Speaker 1: and protect protection from predators, especially when they choose species

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Speaker 1: of sponges which have toxic compounds in them that definitely

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Speaker 1: yuck a predators yum. Also, the texture the mouth feel

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Speaker 2: I've heard that. I talked to a biologist who worked

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Speaker 2: with freshwater sponges, and she mentioned that if you were

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Speaker 2: it would feel very gritty because they're made of a

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Speaker 2: lot of like silica, Yeah, a lot of like glass

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Speaker 2: like structures, so it would be very it would be

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Speaker 2: like just kind of crunching on fiberglass. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like when you see insulation as a kid

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Speaker 2: Childhood is a series of discoveries about like the differences

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Speaker 2: between something looking tasty and being tasty.

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Speaker 1: I still contend that those little white crusty things in

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Speaker 1: dirt are pretty good. They tasted pretty good. They're like

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Speaker 1: some kind of fertilizer. Don't eat them, they're bad.

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Speaker 2: Squad rise up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you dirt.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's the little egg pieces from the Wingspan

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Speaker 2: game for me. Yeah, just I want to put them

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Speaker 1: I do appreciate it now when restaurants make sort of

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Speaker 2: don't eat sponges, don't eat sponges, and don't eat dirt.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard a lot of I've heard

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Speaker 2: a lot about crabs putting other sessile creatures just right

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Speaker 2: on their old noggin. I feel like this is a thing.

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Speaker 2: Crabs are really.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like pom pom crabs sessile. It means anything that

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Speaker 1: sponges do that, coral they're all sessile. Uh And yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of crabs that make you say

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Speaker 1: of that, like the pom pom crabs that they hold

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Speaker 1: little sea an enemies on their little front claus like

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Speaker 1: boxing gloves, and it's this like symbiotic relationship. It's actually

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Speaker 1: one of the only cases in nature where an animal

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Speaker 1: like helps another an like a separate species helps another

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Speaker 1: species with reproduction. Obviously flowers and pollinators, that's the symbiosis

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Speaker 1: before these crabs they because they pull apart sn enemies.

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Speaker 1: That helps them reproduce because basically they split and then

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Speaker 1: sea an enemy, pull it apart. Now it's two semies,

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Speaker 1: and they wear them on their little arms like boxing gloves.

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Speaker 2: And then this it's an infinite glitch.

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Speaker 1: It really is. And they feed them and it's it's

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Speaker 1: like having a sentient pair of gloves. Uh. And these ones,

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Speaker 1: well they're maybe sentient is possibly overstated there for sea enemies,

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Speaker 1: but yes, so sponge crabs, they wear sponges on their hats.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend uh you look up sponge crabs online.

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Speaker 1: I'll have the picture of the fluffy one. But there's

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Speaker 1: all of them. They're all like they're like the little

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Speaker 1: So the reason it has fluff, well, it was discovered

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Speaker 1: It's Kineff all right. So it's found in the depths

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Speaker 2: That's so cool.

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Speaker 2: Just it's the more the merrier with crab exactly.

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Speaker 2: Mouths. All right, we are back.

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Speaker 1: It's moth time.

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Speaker 2: It's moth time. It's real moth hours. I hope you're

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Speaker 2: listening to this at night, because that would be real

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Speaker 2: moth hours. Yeah, there's a isn't there a Star Wars

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Speaker 2: person named moth mon Mathma.

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Speaker 1: Mon Mathma, Is he a mothman? I would love that ona.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately they're not brave enough to put moth doesn't he.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have just like a moth. He's you know, they really.

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Speaker 2: Well, mon Mathma is a woman.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's mon Mathma mom Yathma.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she's just a lady. That's disappointing. She should have

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Speaker 2: Cre more moth elements, I feel it, really they.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need more roles for cryptid actors.

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Speaker 1: We do need more roles for cryptid Cryptid representation, I

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Speaker 1: think is a good idea. So so let's let's talk

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Speaker 1: about moths. Uh, they're basically fluffy butterflies.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say butterflies exactly. You switched to night mode, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So Lepidopterans or the family of the moths and the butterflies,

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Speaker 2: I get into some examples of of my favorite fluffy moths,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to look at what makes moths fluffy? Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's fluff, Ellen, It's just fluff.

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Speaker 2: It's so often during like while doing like research for this,

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Speaker 1: Like, it's flocking. You dip you dip him in hot

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Speaker 2: It's like functionally, you know, it works so similarly to

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Speaker 2: They just just like a nudge, we'll detach those scales.

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Speaker 2: Which there's a reason for that, which I'll get into

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Speaker 1: So are they like a dandelion where if you pick

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Speaker 1: Oh, the poor little babies, don't they're too cute.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that, they are cute.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything bad to happen to a moth ever, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, I know, just sit them in one of those

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Speaker 2: With the moths they got those fluffy antennas would just

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Speaker 2: So there's a few different reasons why moths have this fluff,

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Speaker 1: It's the classic move like if say, you know someone's

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying a Scooby Doo move.

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Speaker 1: It's a Scooby Doo move. I'm saying I'm not encouraging

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Speaker 2: Jackets are always doing righteous crimes.

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Speaker 1: If the jacket don't fit, you must have quit. I'm

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Speaker 2: That's a real Cinderella crime right there. You leave your

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Speaker 1: Whose dope bath denim jacket is this?

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Speaker 2: They have to try it on everybody to.

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Speaker 2: They're just checking to see who's cool. Yea jacket I

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Speaker 2: But another reason for the fluff, which I think is

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Speaker 1: a fluffy mic phone. Can you do this? Yeah? Yeah,

432
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: we're just like moths. And it's to help reduce echo

433
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: and stuff in the room so that the podcast sounds

434
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: nicer hopefully, hope you'll like it. Uh And so yeah,

435
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, I hadn't really thought about that,

436
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but yeah, that completely makes sense.

437
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: The ways that moths try to evade that sound detection.

438
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: What better way than scattering sound off your body, because

439
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: that's the way the fluff works in recording studios is

440
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: that it like scatters the sound. It doesn't, it does.

441
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: It's not that it absorbs the.

442
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: Sound, that it scatters it in multiple directions so that

443
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: you never you no longer have this like sharp hard echo.

444
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and this was actually a pretty recent like development.

445
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: So the paper I was reading about this is called

446
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: Thoracic scales of moths as a stealth coating against.

447
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: Banter title bangers.

448
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Really cool, like every cool word. It's just borassic scales

449
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: and stealth coding against scales. Really cool. Title that was

450
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: by Thomas r. Neil and that was in the Journal

451
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: of the Royal Society Interface and that was in February

452
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, so not you know, this is pretty

453
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: pretty recent stuff. And basically, so there's there's kind of

454
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: two different bat evasion methods that that moths can use,

455
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: and this is one of them. One of them is

456
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: just being really really fluffy to kind of bounce that

457
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: sound like away from them, and then the other So

458
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: those are for what's called death moths, but other moths

459
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: can actually hear, like they have a very very simple

460
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: but very very sensitive like ear drum like structure that

461
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: can actually pick up like ultrasonic sounds. So some types

462
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: of moths can just hear the bats and then if

463
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: they hear the calls, they'll just leave. But a lot

464
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: of moths are relying on that fluff to get away

465
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: from bats, which I think is just super cool. So

466
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: there are a few moths that I feel like are

467
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: really doing this very well. I feel like are sort

468
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: of exemplifying the fluff. My favorite is the rosy maple moth.

469
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: I am looking this up because yes, I knew it.

470
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: I knew it so good. I call this the sorbe moth.

471
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it does look like just the little like a

472
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: little pink lemonade.

473
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: It's so, it's a delicious looking little little guy, just

474
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: fluffy with right back to right, yeah, right. This is

475
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: how I interface with the world. It's bright pink and

476
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: bright yellow. I remember these guys from yes the Autoba

477
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: on Society Field Guide to North American Insects and Spiders,

478
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing this like sorbet moth and being like, whoa,

479
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: why am I not? Why isn't this in school? Why

480
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: aren't they teaching this in school? I'm learning about I'm

481
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: learning about like the Civil War, which is important, but

482
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: this is also important. The fact that there's a bright

483
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: yellow and pink moth that looks like, uh like some

484
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: sorbet and is amazing. It looks like it doesn't look real.

485
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 2: Guys like this is have a lot more entomologists if

486
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: we were more forward with that in I.

487
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: Really think so this was this was a This was

488
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: sort of a pivotal moment in my childhood. Was seeing

489
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: this moth was like, this is actually we live in

490
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: we live in a fantasy world.

491
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: It's real the wait bug.

492
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: Wait, wait a minute, I like bug.

493
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Wait? I don't like bugs.

494
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Good bug is good.

495
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these moths are bright pink and yellow. A

496
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: lot of times people who take pictures of them will

497
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: kind of bump the saturation on it to kind of

498
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: lean into it, like you don't even have to, you know,

499
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's cute, but like they just naturally

500
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: are this like very very bright pink and yellow. And

501
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: so since I've never seen one in the wild, so

502
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: I am just going off of pictures, But the every

503
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: time I see a picture of them, I think, why,

504
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: why would like bright pink and yellow doesn't seem to

505
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: me like stealthy, like subtle, you know nature coloring. It

506
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a good camouflage color to me, until

507
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: until I saw pictures of the seeds of their host trees,

508
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: maple seeds, like red maple seeds. Do a quick Google

509
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: search for red maple s Yes.

510
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's it's so you are so right. It

511
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: looks because it's kind of a greenish yellow and it's

512
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: those wing like seeds the kind that like when they

513
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: it's the two kind of wings.

514
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: With the little seeds pod samara.

515
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: And then when you like let it go, that structure

516
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: lets them twirl in the wind. So they disperse better.

517
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: Very whimsical, super whimsical.

518
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: They it looks just like I totally see it. In fact,

519
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: there's like a rosy maple moth image on top of

520
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: these seed pods, and it totally blends in. That is fantastic.

521
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they they you wouldn't, they wouldn't blend in

522
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: outside of that context. But when they're like in their

523
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: element with like their host seeds, like it's perfect.

524
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: And you can and you can remember it with this

525
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: handy neumonic device, which is uh, pink and yellow kills

526
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: a fellow yellow and pink makes you stink.

527
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, makes you think hmmm,

528
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: see you.

529
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Know, there you go. Anyways, I hate useless mnemonic devices

530
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: about color order on snakes, is my point. It's never helpful.

531
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm always confused. Uh so that's incredible, Yeah, no, it completely.

532
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean Also, these maple seed pods are beautiful, man.

533
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: I just want to put those in my mouth too. Yeah,

534
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: a lot of delectable looking stacks.

535
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I would rather put the seed pods in my mouth

536
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: than the adorable because I do feel like the mouthfeel

537
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: would be worse for the moth. Also, it's cute and alive,

538
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and I don't wanna. I don't wanna get it hurt.

539
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 2: Get that call it a dimorphous expression, I get that

540
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: cute aggression.

541
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: That's oh yeah, scralert.

542
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: So rosy maple moth, extremely extremely cute. The next moth

543
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: that I really wanted to highlight is has leaned super

544
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: far into the fluff, but more so as a caterpillar,

545
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: and that is the Southern flannel moth, which their caterpillars

546
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: are also called asp caterpillar.

547
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes, of course it's Southern flannel because she's wearing

548
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: the ug boot all over her body.

549
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: She's got very Yeah, it's very Stanley Tumblr.

550
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Stanley Tumblr. Basic girl boots, Yeah, yeah, which

551
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with you know what, I know people

552
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: call it basic. There's nothing wrong with being comfortable.

553
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: I love like basic. Just I love a Stanley tumbler,

554
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: I love an ug boot, I love a pumpkin spice latte. Yeah,

555
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: I love it. It's great. There's a reason there is.

556
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: There's so many people like it.

557
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Because flannel is comfortable, and fluffy boots are comfortable, and

558
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: pumpkin spice tastes very good. Like personally, I don't wear

559
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: that style but every time I see someone wearing it,

560
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: it's like I would I would be in those clothes

561
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: because they look very comfortable.

562
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: It's nice. It's very the Southern flannel moss. So as

563
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: a caterpillar, the caterpillars are so fluffy that you actually

564
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: can't even see the body under.

565
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: No, it's just pure fluffs, like a it looks like a.

566
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Wig on the ground. Yeah, tiny, tiny little two pegs

567
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: on the ground.

568
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: It does look like a certain American authoritarian leader did, like, yeah,

569
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: hair fall off and on the ground.

570
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: A very obvious comparison.

571
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: There is a very obvious comparison to a certain American

572
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: authoritarian leader that you know, like I don't want the

573
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Musk's future groc to like get me into the grock

574
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Rey education camps. But yes, it does definitely look like that,

575
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: but cuter.

576
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: The caterpillar has a better stock.

577
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Way better way, fuller. It looks richter.

578
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: The caterpillar looks style.

579
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: It's like what a certain American authoritarian leader wishes his

580
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: hair look like. But in reality it's nothing. It's got

581
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: He's got nothing on these caterpillars.

582
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: The profile picture versus the tag.

583
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like one of those AI images that

584
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: they make with the really buff Donald Trump with the

585
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: cool hair, and it's like in the yeah, kissing Amnion,

586
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: I've seen that, but even the even I mean the

587
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: the caterpillar is for sure super fluffy, but the adult

588
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: has it going on when it comes to like the

589
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: sort of color coordination, Dude, like.

590
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: It's still hitting, it's got sitting.

591
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Because it's like the caterpillar is more uniform. But then

592
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: the adult has this beautiful sort of it's got a

593
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: bit of that camel color on its back, its wings

594
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: are tipped in white.

595
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: It's got allow it's it.

596
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: It seriously does it's little, it's got the and it's

597
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: got the sort of little black boots fashion going on.

598
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: You know.

599
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a tope sweater with like black boots.

600
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: You know that look right, Like it's an incredible look.

601
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. It does look like a toasted marshmallow. But

602
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: you know what, it also kind of looks like to

603
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: me bird poop, which I'm saying not to be insulting, because.

604
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: That what they're going for.

605
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: I think they might in some ways be going for

606
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of bird poop because it does have

607
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: like the black when whenever there's sort of like black

608
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: white and sort of brown mixed together, you could get

609
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: a little bit a bird poop vibes from it, which

610
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's really cute. I'm gonna say.

611
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: It's apothetically bird poop.

612
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: It's aesthetically pleasing. I'm just saying to something that might

613
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: be a predator who's taking a quick glance around, it

614
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: might just be like, that's bird poop and move on.

615
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing about the caterpillars is that they

616
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: are very very fluffy and very very cute and also

617
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: very very very venomous. So those those fluffy hairs are

618
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: hiding in like amidst the fluffy soft hairs are sharp

619
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: venomous spines. It's diabolical, Yeah, And all it takes is

620
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: just kind of brushing up against one. Like you don't

621
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: have to like grab it or harass it or anything.

622
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: You can just kind of like brush up against one.

623
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: And those spines can, you know, really inject a lot

624
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: of venom. Usually it's not the sort of thing that

625
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: kills people, but people regularly have to go to the

626
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: er from these little caterpillars. And I've even heard of

627
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: I think it was an, Texas that one year, I

628
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: think it was one fall they had a particularly bad

629
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: outbreak of these caterpillars and kids being the.

630
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Way that they are fluffy, it looks it's fluffy.

631
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: It's it's unusual, right, Yeah, it's something if you can't

632
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: see the body, right, so it's hard to see, you

633
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: tell what it is immediately. Kids are curious, kids are tactile,

634
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: kids are sensory seeking. Yeah, so they see these little

635
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: things and they just grab I.

636
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: Had one hundred percent do that as a child, by

637
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: the way, so yeah, I had to be My mom

638
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: had to come get me from school one time because

639
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: they grabbed a cactus off of a teacher's desk, like

640
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: one of those fluffy cactuses.

641
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I just grabbed it with my whole hand. Of course,

642
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, my mom had to bring me home.

643
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I was constantly picking up bugs. I probably shouldn't have,

644
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I mean that is a good rule

645
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: of thumb, is that. Yeah, fluffy caterpillars. I know, like

646
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: there are some that are safe to pick up, but

647
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: unless you really know which ones those are, there's a

648
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: really good chance that at the very least those are

649
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna be irdicating hairs. They're gonna be like really irritating. Uh,

650
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: and then on the other end of the spectrum, you

651
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: might have to go to the hospital.

652
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: Like nothing, it can't be good.

653
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: It isn't You're probably not gonna be good.

654
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Like you you're not gonna pick up a caterpillar and

655
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: suddenly you're like super buff and strong and can jump

656
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: ten feet in the air. Like it's not gonna.

657
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Help, but you when you say that, like that's specifically now,

658
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe you do, and I kind of

659
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: want to try.

660
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: It maybe the like have I not been living up

661
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: to my full potential?

662
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Like right, I feel like I feel like.

663
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: I haven't tried to pick up anything really heavy.

664
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I feel like when you specifically make a warning about that,

665
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you're hiding something from me, just

666
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: like the raw milk. You're hiding the raw milk and

667
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: the fluffy caterpillars, And I'm gonna have a bowl of

668
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: raw milk and touch some caterpillars.

669
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: There's only one way to know. No, the the adult

670
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: moth is harmless. The adult moth can't do anything. They

671
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: lose like the venomous spine, everything that the adult moth.

672
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: They're still fluffy, they're not venomous.

673
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: They're to find them and pet them. Then that's it.

674
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: Gotta find for you, you adult moths. I'm gonna pet

675
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: all of you.

676
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: Then, So the venom of the southern flannel moth caterpillar

677
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: and being like really fluffy but also don't touch it.

678
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: Uh makes a lot of people make that same conclusion

679
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: about wooly bears, which are also a tiny, little, very

680
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: very very fluffy caterpillar. If bushy, black and red fluffy

681
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: sort of hairs on them also not hair, technically hairs,

682
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: they're like sea tea. I guess those are not venomous. Now,

683
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: people with like sensitive skin might react to them, but

684
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: that's probably just like either an allergic or like a

685
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: you know, just like some sort of dermal logical reaction. Yeah,

686
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: that is not very common. They're probably fine, but still,

687
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: like you said, you know, air on the side of

688
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: caution and just leave the caterpillars alone.

689
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, yeah, unless you're like it, unless you're like

690
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: a professional caterpillar whisperer and you're like, I know this caterpillar,

691
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: we're buds.

692
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, me and this caterpillar go way back, right, well,

693
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: probably not that far back. Because I don't live that long.

694
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's you know, it's whole life life.

695
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: There was one more fluffy moth that I wanted to

696
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: touch on, and it's you're gonna have to go for

697
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: a ride on this because it's called called I'm putting

698
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: in air quotes the Venezuelan poodle moth.

699
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I you know what I think. I'm I'm

700
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: actually aware of this one because I have seen it,

701
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: like a feltered version of it that people think is real. Yes,

702
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: so like this is the one where where people so

703
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: like people, so people think it's a there's two camps,

704
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: or probably more than two camps. There's a few camps

705
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: of people where it's like some people are like, it's real,

706
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: And here's a photo of it being felt of a

707
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: feltered version of it that looks super adorable and someone's

708
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: holding and it's pretty large, and people think that's the

709
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: photo of it, and it's like, well, that is not real.

710
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: That is a felted version. Then there are those who

711
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: have realized that that's a fake photo and they're like, so,

712
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: then this does not exist. It is not a real insect.

713
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: And then there's those who know the Secrets of the Universe,

714
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: like Ellen Weatherford.

715
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the it is a real moth, but the

716
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: Venezuela the poodle moth is a very informal name. It's not.

717
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: So what makes us even weirder is that it's an

718
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: unidentified species. Like it was just photographed one time in

719
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Venezuela by a zoologist named doctor Arthur Anker. He posted

720
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: the photo on flicker, like it's on his Flicker account,

721
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: you can go see it, and he just titled it

722
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: poodle moth. Nobody knows like this, it doesn't seem to

723
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: belong to any like known species of moth. Nobody has

724
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: ever like idd it to a species, and so everyone

725
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: just called it the poodle moth because it's white and

726
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: fluffy and really really cute.

727
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: It's also it's also that it's fluff comes out in

728
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: like little tuffs like a poodle, right, you know how

729
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: like the poodle has the I forgot what that haircut

730
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: is called for the poodle, but it's the one where

731
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: you have the little like butt circles and little like

732
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: pom poms on its legs and then the tiny legs

733
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: stick out. And this photo, the one the sort of

734
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: famous photo of the real one. It's like that it's

735
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: got little tufts on its little legs and then it's

736
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: got little tiny feet sticking out. It is incredibly cute.

737
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: It's very cute. So yeah, just it's just an unidentified

738
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: species of moth that it was. The guy called it

739
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: a poodle moth, and it was photographed in Venezuela, so

740
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: everyone called it the Venezuelan poodle moth. And then that

741
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: kind of gets like thrown around like it's like the

742
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: species name and it's not, I mean, right, because there

743
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: would be a common name anyway. But you know, it's

744
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: just it's just an informal name for an unidentified species.

745
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: And it's not that there aren't other photos of fluffy

746
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: white moths that are found in Venezuela.

747
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: There are.

748
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: The point is that it's not it has not been

749
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: determined which species this belongs to or what exactly this

750
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: one is.

751
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fluffy white there's a lot of fluffy.

752
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: White moths, and it's not so surprising to me that

753
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what it is because like in

754
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Venezuela and in sort of especially like very like like

755
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: in South American rainforest areas, there's such a huge diversity

756
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: of animals and it's so like densely packed like with

757
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: different species, it's really hard to identify them all.

758
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. So the those are my

759
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: those are my heavy hitters. Those are my my big ones,

760
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: my big three in the family.

761
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: Those are incredible, and I do love them. I kind

762
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I feel like I want to be, uh,

763
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: sort of just have that be the person that walks

764
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: around the neighborhood with a bunch of moths on my

765
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: shoulders and be known as that, like as the moth.

766
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: All you have to do is just carry a little lantern.

767
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly, just walk around, you know. I had

768
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: a sphinx moth land on me once and refused to

769
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: let go, and I was chosen and it did it

770
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: did eventually die so like it wouldn't like I tried

771
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: to get it off of my shirt. I was hiking

772
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: and I tried to get it off my shirt, and

773
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: it really like as soon as I would kind of

774
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: pull it off, it would fly back on and like

775
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: it did this like death grip on my shirt. And

776
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I was worried about crushing it because I couldn't like

777
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: pull it off. So then I like took it home,

778
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: took my shirt off, put it in a box and

779
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: put some flowers in it and put it outside. It

780
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: did die, so it it was I think it was

781
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: just kind of posed to though I think it had.

782
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: This is my theory is that it had already made

783
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: it and it saw me and it was like, dude,

784
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die on you. Is that cool? Uh? So

785
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: like just like hung on to mean, just wanted somewhere

786
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: like you know, nice and comfortable to settle down for

787
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: its retirement.

788
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: And so attracted to your inner light.

789
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: My my, my inner mothiness, my appreciation for months. Anyways,

790
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: that was a magical experience and I really connected with

791
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: this moth and I feel like, uh we got to

792
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: be really good friends. And it did leave me in

793
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: its will, and it left me like a stick.

794
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: It left you some dust.

795
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, some scaled us. We are going to take another

796
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back, we're going to

797
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: talk about some more blah blah blah. All right, we

798
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: are back and on exciting news coming out of Australia.

799
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: There news clearly gunning for like some Olympic metal in

800
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: country with the most fluffy arrapods because a new fluffy

801
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: beetle has been discovered in Australia. Actually kind of around

802
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: the time of the fluffy crab was discovered. I think

803
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: it was in twenty twenty one.

804
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: This beetle is big news. I feel like beetles aren't

805
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: usually fluffy.

806
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Beetles are not typically fluffy. There are some beetles that

807
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: are fluffier than others. They have more bristles called setee

808
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: than your average beetle, and it happens. But this one

809
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: is particularly fluffy and is so. This is called the

810
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: ex Castra albo pilosa. It is a longhorned beetle which

811
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: was discovered in Australia and it is cute with very

812
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: long antinna as most longhorned beetles have. Because the name,

813
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: and it has black and red splotches, and of course

814
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: it is covered in tufts of fluffy white fur that

815
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: makes me want to pet it. Hold me back, keep

816
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: me from petting this beetle. It was found in Queensland, Australia,

817
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: by University of Queensland PhD biodiversity student James Tweed while camping.

818
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: At first he thought it was bird poop, which is

819
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: fair enough. You know, like it see it. I can

820
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: see it too. It's got the white splotchiness, the black

821
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of it's that classic mix

822
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: of white, brown and red where it's like, if it's

823
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: from a distance and you're just glancing, you could be

824
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, bird poop, But up close it's very cute,

825
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of like our flannel moth. Actually, in terms of

826
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: like from a distance, I bet that kind of looks

827
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: a little bit like bird Doodoo, and that might be intentional,

828
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: but then up close you're like, you know what you're

829
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: actually you're not bird Dodo. You're a cute little guy.

830
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: Guy.

831
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: It's a little guy. I if I saw this beetle

832
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: that you've provide a photo of, just like out and

833
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: about my first guess if I if it wasn't like

834
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: actively moving, would be that it had been overtaken by

835
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: a fungus. It is really interesting.

836
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks.

837
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: Like it's coded in a sort of like because I

838
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: used to work at a pet store and we had like,

839
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of fish tanks, and one of

840
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: the things we would have to look for on the

841
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: fish was like white fuzz because white fuzz was commonly

842
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: like a fungal infection. So I when I look at it,

843
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: that's that's what it looks like to me. Is it

844
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: looks like a white fungus.

845
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a Cordyceps infection. We've talked about

846
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 1: Cops on the show. It's type of fungus that invades UH,

847
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: infests various arthropods. It's that's the fungus that if it

848
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: sounds familiar and you don't know where to place, it's

849
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: from the video game and TV show The Last of Us.

850
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: Obviously not scientifically accurate, but yes, it is a real

851
00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: fungus that infects UH animals ophiol cord aceps UH. But

852
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: the this is actually not fungus. And it's interesting you

853
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: bring that up though, because we don't know yet what

854
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: the fluff is for. And one of the theories is

855
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: that it is meant for it to look like fungus,

856
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: such that predators or ants or anything that might hassle

857
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: this beetle will leave it alone, because you don't want

858
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: to mess with something that is infected with like a

859
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: contagious fungus. Potentially.

860
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when it gets fluffy, exactly, stuff that's white

861
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: and fluffy.

862
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely throw away my bread when it's fluffy.

863
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: So it is, uh, it is called it's about ten

864
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: millimeters long, so it's like, you know, it's a little guy.

865
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: And uh it is called extra castra albow pillowsa which

866
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: means from the camp covered in white hair, which is

867
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: It's an okay name, but I think he should have

868
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: named it. I think he should have named it. Sorry,

869
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: thought you were bird poop, but you're not. Uh my bad.

870
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, sorry, I.

871
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: Thought you were bird poop, then thought you were weird fungus.

872
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah it is. It's a it's thought that, yeah,

873
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: the the these these bristles that look very soft and fluffy,

874
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: may be uh, some form of camouflage because it doesn't

875
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: seem like they're venomous or irritating or anything. So it's like,

876
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: maybe it's meant to look like fungus. Maybe it's meant

877
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: to look like bird doodoo. Maybe it's a little bit

878
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: of both. Maybe it's meant to look like fungus covered

879
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: bird doodoo. Either way, this beetle is very humble, trying

880
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: to present itself as not cute and edible. But I'm

881
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, buddy, you're still cute, no matter how hard

882
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: you try.

883
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't fool me. I know you're cute under there.

884
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: You're beautiful because you don't know you're beautiful and you're

885
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: trying to look like fungus covered bird poop. Is the song? Yeah? Yeah?

886
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: That? Wait? Was that direction?

887
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the song was girl, You're

888
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: beautiful because you're trying to look like bird poop.

889
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: That that's a quote directly from one direction.

890
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know it's I know their entire discography.

891
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: I have a lot of songs about bird poop.

892
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: You're just saying, all right, Ellen, how long do you

893
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: think would be the velvet ant?

894
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: So short? I have one paragraph on velvet ants real quick.

895
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's cap off with this episode with uh

896
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: with something something small and probably not touchable.

897
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: No, no, you don't want to touch these. It doesn't

898
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: stop a lot of people. People do it anyway, because

899
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: I think they just don't know. This is another one

900
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: of those things. It's like you find out about it

901
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: as an adult and you're like, oh my gosh, why

902
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: weren't we all told about this? They're velvet ants and

903
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: they are beautiful, lovely little guys. They are are not

904
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: actually ants. They are wingless wasps, which is like, okay,

905
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: what is an ant but a wingless wasp? I know,

906
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: like ants like evolved from wasps, right, they're like derived.

907
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know you fo evolutionary history and they

908
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: have a common ancestor with with winged wasps.

909
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the velvet ants are like not even in

910
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: like the ant group. They are just wasps. They're not

911
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: social either, They're they're solitary. Now what velvet ants are

912
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: known for. First of all, they're fluffy. There's lots of

913
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: different types of velvet ants. The velvet ants where I

914
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: am from are red velvet ants. So they're red and

915
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: black and very pretty actually like this downy sort of

916
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: like like hair like structures covering their body.

917
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: There. They are our widow who definitely didn't kill her husband,

918
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: uh with the red with the red going, yeah, yeah,

919
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: I would never kill my husband for his substantial inheritance.

920
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: This new four coat, I didn't buy it with my

921
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: dead husband substantial inheritance.

922
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Now, don't look too closely at the update to his

923
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: will submitted the day before he disappeared. Yeah, so the

924
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: red velvet ants are really really pretty. They're pretty well known.

925
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 2: They're called cow killers, although they probably don't actually kill.

926
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: Never, I would never.

927
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: They do have extremely painful stings. Yes, they were given

928
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: a three out of four on the Schmidt pain Index.

929
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: Isn't that that guy who like stung himself?

930
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: When they say the Schmidt pain Index, it's a guy.

931
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: It's a guy Schmidt. He's like, got stung himself. Yep,

932
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: that's smart insects.

933
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're not joking. We aren't joking. This is

934
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: not a bit. It's a it's a guy, a biologist

935
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: named He was like, I'm gonna rank the stings and

936
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: how much they suck. And he's stung himself and he

937
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: was like, that's a Nate.

938
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: He's like, that's pretty bad.

939
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

940
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: So they they got a pretty high ranking on that one,

941
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: not like the highest, but like about on par with

942
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: most other wasps. So do you have a very painful sting.

943
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: It's said to hurt for about thirty minutes or they're

944
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: somewhat common where I'm from in Florida. I saw them

945
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: in the wild in Florida. Once again. That problem with

946
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: like little kids where they see something like bright and

947
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: colorful and they don't know any better, and they just

948
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: grab it. So you know, that is kind of like

949
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 2: they can't fly, so they don't I think I remember,

950
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: like the ones that have wings don't have stingers, and

951
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: the ones that have stingers don't have wings, so like

952
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: it's either way, like just just don't don't mess with them, Yeah,

953
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: pull them up. They have a very painful sting. The

954
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: bright red and black coloration is thought to be aposomat.

955
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: That's a warning for predators of their very very painful sting.

956
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: There's also a type of velvet ant called the thistle

957
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: down velvet ant that is once again white and fluffy

958
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: and has these long, this long, bristly sort of white hair.

959
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: I think are those found in southern California, because I

960
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: think I've seen some version of those as Yeah, I

961
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: think I've seen some version of those in southern California.

962
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that exact species, but I've

963
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: seen white velvet wasps or sorry, white velvet ants who

964
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: are wasps in southern California.

965
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: And for a long time it was thought to be

966
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: like because they're mimicking a type of like seed pod,

967
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: like a fluffy, white type of like seed that is

968
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: found in that area. But there was a more there

969
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 2: was more recent research. Unfortunately I didn't write this one down,

970
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: but there was research within the last few years that

971
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: suggested that it's not that they're mimicking the seeds, is

972
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: that they're mimicking other velvet ants. And like they have

973
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: this mimicry ring where there's all these like wasps and

974
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: stinging insects that all kind of look like each other,

975
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: and they're all just kind of mimicking each other because

976
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: this has become a very effective signal of like we

977
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: are something that will hurt you very badly. So it's

978
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: like it's this like Mulerian micry ring.

979
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: So essentially like when you have each other, when you

980
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: have like a knockoff of a show and then like

981
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: or or franchise, and then there's a knockoff of the knockoff,

982
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: and then there's like a big knockoff of the knockoff.

983
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all they're all kind of mimicking each other,

984
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: but they do they do look like these little seed pods.

985
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: I just I can't think of why that would deter

986
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: a predator, you know, Like, I don't think there's anything

987
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: particularly wrong with that seed pod. Maybe it just makes

988
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: them not look like an ant.

989
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found the one. The one that's in southern

990
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: California is white and fluffy and it's called seconds velvet Ant.

991
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, adorable.

992
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: I do like the ones that are called thistle Down.

993
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: I like that because thistle Down sounds a lot like

994
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: the person from Bridgerton.

995
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: It also just sounds fanciful, like a little fairy.

996
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: Very cool name.

997
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: My name is this Down and.

998
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: Grand true wishes Dan you a lot of character there.

999
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: You cry. It's hard not to. They're so fluffy. I

1000
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: just want to like when something is fluffy. And I

1001
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: do this with my dog, but I just I have

1002
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: to give them a stupid little voice. So I'm constantly

1003
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: like I'm constantly talking in the voice of my dog

1004
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: to my husband. Uh. And I've gotten him to start

1005
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: doing it. And it's a it's a it's a shared madness.

1006
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: We have always done that, like, you know, narrating the

1007
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: internal dialogue of your pets. Yeah, thing, It's like we've

1008
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: always done that, and we do it with our cat,

1009
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: who's a monster. He's a goblin, he's the worst, and

1010
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: we do it so often. We have a four year

1011
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: old and the four year old has just started trying

1012
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: to do that, like trying to be like his name

1013
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: is Aki. The cat's name is Aki. Sorry, the four

1014
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: year old name is not Aki. As the four year

1015
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: old has started trying to be like Aki's like and

1016
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: then like say what he thinks the cat would say

1017
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: in that moment, but he didn't really get it at first,

1018
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 2: so he would be like act, He's like.

1019
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, ya, he is probably much more into what the

1020
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: cat's actual thoughts than you guys.

1021
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: He probably would say that I.

1022
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: Think he's I think he's probably got a better beat

1023
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: on this cat than you guys, because like what is

1024
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: going through the cat's head probably yam yam, yam yao.

1025
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: You nailed it, dude. That is so him. That is

1026
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: so classic cat.

1027
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be great at impressions as when he gets grows.

1028
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: Up, Aki's like.

1029
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

1030
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: So I was. I did try. I earnestly tried to

1031
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: look around to see if I could get like an

1032
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: explanation as to why velvet ants in general tend to

1033
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: be fuzzy. Could not find anything. Found absolutely nothing. It

1034
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like it's a question a lot of people

1035
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: have asked, so if anyone knows a better answer, I

1036
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: would love to hear it. I tried to come up

1037
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: with a few guesses of my own. They don't live

1038
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: in cold places, so I don't think it's for thermoregulation,

1039
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: unless maybe they're like coming out at night, so I

1040
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: don't I don't think. I don't know if it's for

1041
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: heat retention. They aren't preyed on by bats, they don't

1042
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: fly around, so I don't think it's for dampening sound.

1043
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: They're relatives. The bees tend to be fluffy, but that's

1044
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: more for pollen collection, so I don't think that that's

1045
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: like what's going on here. The velvet ants don't collect pollen.

1046
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: So my best thought that I could come up with

1047
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: is maybe repelling water. Since they crawl around on the

1048
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: ground and maybe would be crawling through like puddles or

1049
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, accidentally getting water. Maybe they're trying to repel

1050
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: water off of their body. That was really the best

1051
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: I could think of. I could not find much on

1052
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: why velvet ants tend to be fuzzy.

1053
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: It could also be a part of their sort of warning, right,

1054
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: like I'm pleasant to put in your mouth look at like,

1055
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: because you know, even though the thing is something that's

1056
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: like really fluff like poofy and fluffy in nature, like

1057
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: especially an insect. Insect. Even though to human beings we're

1058
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: like I want to pet you, it might be to

1059
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: an animal that's thinking about putting it in its mouth,

1060
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: like I don't want a mouthful of fluff like that.

1061
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: It might also like the texture of it might because

1062
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: I know that this is the case for plant hoppers,

1063
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: Like they have these big waxy, fluffy tufts that they

1064
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: wear and it's meant to be like, look, dude, this

1065
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: looks nasty and it's not going to be fine to

1066
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: put in your mouth, and then if something does try

1067
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: to bite them, it's gonna get a mouthful of fluff

1068
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: of the And perhaps this is the same case for

1069
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: these velvet ants, Like something tries to bite it, it's

1070
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: like the mouthful of fluff. Because even though it could

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00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: use its stinger to ward off predators, it's a valuable resource, right,

1072
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: so it's better to like it might it might be

1073
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: that it has like two defense mechanisms, right, like that

1074
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: that color, the the texture and then also the stinger.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it could also like there could

1076
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: be something about its environment, like maybe it helps it,

1077
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: like as it's crawling through sand or something. Maybe the

1078
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: bristles help it move better through the sand or so something,

1079
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: or keeps like water from uh you know, getting through too.

1080
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: It's cuticle. That's I think those are all all good,

1081
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: all good ideas or fashion fashion. You know, it could

1082
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: just look nice, just look cool.

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01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: I know that the the Saharan silver ant is a

1084
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: type of ant that lives in African deserts, and they

1085
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: also have they're coated in hairs. They're not like fluffy.

1086
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call them fluffy because the hairs are more

1087
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: like streamlined, but the hair is real selective. Yeah, and

1088
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: they help like reflect light from the sun. So that

1089
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: is a beautiful regulation in the other opposite direction keeping

1090
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: them cool. But I didn't think that was applicable here

1091
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: because the velvet ants, like hairs aren't reflective right in

1092
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: the same way that the silver ants are, So I

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: don't think that's very applicable here. Just yeah, there's some

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01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: some interesting I guess room for room for research, I.

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: Think, yeah, yeah, for sure. I feel like given that

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: some of them have really either really long bristles or

1097
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: short ones, but really brightly colored, I feel like that

1098
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: being like a warning of like I'm not palatable. You

1099
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: don't want to eat? Ye feels the most right to me,

1100
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know.

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01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: I did just have a mental like image of putting

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: cotton balls in your mouth. If you've ever had to

1103
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: do that, like it's.

1104
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 4: A good well I played the godfla. You come to

1105
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: the you come to my daughter's wedding right after a.

1106
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: I've heard actors say that that's how they do it.

1107
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: All Australian accent is believe that they like just pretend

1108
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: they have cotton balls in their mouth.

1109
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, I'm Australia. I'm not. I'm not hearing it. I

1110
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't get down. You come to my dollars

1111
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: wearing in Australia.

1112
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: It's in there, it's in there. You got it.

1113
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: All right? Well, before we go, we got to play

1114
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: a little game, a game called guess you squawk on

1115
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: the Mystery Animal Sound game. The last last year we

1116
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: had a Mystery Animal sound the last sound from twenty

1117
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: twenty four, and this is the hint for that. Just

1118
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: let him grab his winter coat and he's ready to

1119
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: start caroling because this was done around when this time.

1120
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: And then we had a bunch of interlude episodes and now, hey,

1121
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: it's January twenty seventh. Man, I'm back. I'm back in business.

1122
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: I guess it's probably later now because it's gonna get released.

1123
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: In a few days.

1124
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: But hey, we're back. More game, new year, new sounds.

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01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: Let's Oh. I love this. I love this little guy.

1126
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: So you got any guesses?

1127
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: It's I see it in my mind's eye. I see it.

1128
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: It's a little bird? Is it? Is it a ptarmigan?

1129
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: It is? Indeed? Good job?

1130
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: Oh nice? I like, I just was cracky. I was

1131
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: showing my kids videos of them making this stupid little sound,

1132
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: and my kids were very delighted by it. So the

1133
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: timing could not have been better. I was just like

1134
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago watching videos.

1135
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: Nice little nice.

1136
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

1137
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so absolutely correct. This is a willow ptarmagin uh.

1138
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: These are found in the cold parts of northern Europe, Alaska, Scandinavias,

1139
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: Iberia in Canada, so they you know, they like the tundra.

1140
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: They are very round birds. In the summer, they're brown.

1141
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: They just kind of look like brown round birds. And

1142
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: they're about fifteen inches or thirty eight centimeters tall, so

1143
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're they're a handful of bird and

1144
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: they have this modeled brown and white plumage. Males actually

1145
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: have this fantastic red flesh around the tops of their

1146
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: eyes because they can work at baby and in the

1147
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: winter they trade their brown coats for white plumage so

1148
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: that they can blend in with the snowy background more.

1149
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: And I mean they really fit for this fluffy episode

1150
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: because their feet are super super fluffy. They're covered in

1151
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: these protective feathers. They've got all if you look at

1152
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: like their little tootsies. They've got all this fluffy, downy

1153
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: feathering around their toes and then very thick leathery soles,

1154
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: thick leathery soles on the bottoms of their feet to

1155
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: stay warm on the tundras. So these are these are

1156
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: like real snow birds. They have the same kind of

1157
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: adaptations of say, like a snowhair or like a lynx,

1158
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: which is I don't know if I find that wild

1159
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: that you have, like it's this is these are birds.

1160
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: These are dinosaurs and they have the same adaptations as say,

1161
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: like an arctic fox or a snowhair.

1162
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: Let me copy your homework, just change it up a

1163
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: little bit so yeah it doesn't notice.

1164
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah, it's it's fantastic.

1165
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: Uh they're fluffy. And then the sound and the sound

1166
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: they make is so goofy coming out of Would.

1167
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: You spell that sound like waddle like.

1168
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: Glaggle glaggles? How I would spell it. I feel that.

1169
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: We'll just we'll just not be putting them in any

1170
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: comics where we have to be uh putting an automn.

1171
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1172
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: I feel like glaggling is a great sounding word, glaggle exactly.

1173
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: All right? Onto uh onto the next oops, Nope, ignore that,

1174
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: Onto the next mysteral sound. The hint is this, I

1175
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: got some wild news for you guys. Fat bay all right, Ellen,

1176
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: you got any guesses?

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: What gosh? At first it sounded like a like a pig,

1178
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: like a pig of copcon. And then it sounded like

1179
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: a like a large frog, like.

1180
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: A Sorry, I was kind of gassy, I was. I

1181
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: just drank a bunch of a bunch of soda.

1182
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: It sounds I think it's giving like like a bullfrog,

1183
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: like large frog. That's what I'm gonna Say'm gonna say's

1184
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: a large frog.

1185
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: All right, we got large frog. If you think you

1186
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: know who is making that sound, you can write to

1187
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: me at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You

1188
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: can also write to me your questions, your comments, your observations,

1189
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: or pictures of your adorable pets. Ellen, thank you so

1190
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: much for joining me today. Where can people find you?

1191
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: Just the Zoo of Us is on the Maximum Fun Network.

1192
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: You can listen to that where you get podcasts. Also,

1193
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: my other podcast, which is not for kids, by the way,

1194
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: is Spellbound and Gagged. Katie's been on talking about parasites.

1195
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: You've also been on Just the Zoo of Us, so

1196
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 2: I have.

1197
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: I've been in the Extended Ellen Universe.

1198
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in the Cinematic Universe.

1199
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm in there. I've got my own wiki page.

1200
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: You're canon, You're in the fan wiki. So yeah, those

1201
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: are places where you can listen to my boys. I'm

1202
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 2: also on Blue Sky. I think that's probably the only

1203
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: ski media I use regularly these days. Yeah, I'm skeating,

1204
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: all skating everywhere, set on the rig.

1205
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh well, you know what, I highly recommend those

1206
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: shows and not just the ones I'm on. I do

1207
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: recommend those two as well, because if.

1208
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: You want to really focus, if you really you.

1209
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Want a full dose of Katie. But the whole shows

1210
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: are great, definitely recommend, so do check those out. Guys,

1211
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. If you're enjoying the

1212
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: show and you leave me a rating or review, you

1213
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: that tangibury helps me. I'm gonna say that like I'm

1214
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: not Scooby Doo, that tangibly helps me, And thank you

1215
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: so much for listening. Thanks to the Space Cossics for

1216
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: their super awesome song XO. Lumina Creature Feature is a

1217
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like the one you

1218
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: just heard, visit the iHeartRadio app. Apple podcasts are Hey.

1219
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 4: Guess what already listen to your favorite shows.

1220
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: I can't judge you. I'm not your mother. I can't

1221
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,879
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. But don't pet the velvety.

1222
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: They don't want it, they don't need it, and they

1223
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: will sting you until you're like, oh my god, that

1224
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: Schmidt guy was right. This hurts real. This is twenty schmidtz.

1225
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: It hurts bad.

1226
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: See your next one. You need to see you next Wednesday.

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: M m hm mm hmm