Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans? Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of the Mets, the podcast series lost to the Milwaukee Brewers,
Speaker 1: best team in baseball record wise. Mets played a weird one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the twenty twenty six Mets. The experience
Speaker 1: of watching this team will always be an up and
Speaker 1: down and shockingly, we have a lot to talk about,
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Speaker 1: I mean, just rip the band aid off real quick
Speaker 1: with this one, James.
Speaker 2: Just as a bad team playing a good team. The
Speaker 2: good team won two of the games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it started with Freddy Peralta being unfathomably bad,
Speaker 1: about as bad as he's ever been in his entire
Speaker 1: career he has. It's really still shocking considerably, been going
Speaker 1: on like a month and a half now of like
Speaker 1: bad performance after bad performance after bad performance. I still
Speaker 1: can't believe Freddy Perlta has ended up being this bad
Speaker 1: as a New York Met. No, it's shocking, it's sad.
Speaker 2: Like I was trying to go through the disappointment roll
Speaker 2: decks in my head of Mets acquisitions, who've been even
Speaker 2: close to this bad as Mets when they had when
Speaker 2: the expectations were even somewhat high and deservedly high. But
Speaker 2: people have been arguing about this a lot on Twitter
Speaker 2: about how this is like this really underscores all the
Speaker 2: problems with the Mets and David Sterns. I really can't
Speaker 2: see that for the life of me, this guy had
Speaker 2: a three four ERA for a half of a decade.
Speaker 2: I think it was a three two eight ERA for
Speaker 2: half a decade before coming here as like one of
Speaker 2: the ten or so most productive pitchers in the league
Speaker 2: twenty five or so votes, Yes, I hung votes, one
Speaker 2: of the twenty five or so best pitchers in the league.
Speaker 2: And this is like deployably bad. And this isn't even
Speaker 2: like normal bad.
Speaker 1: This is like Cooper Pratt and Joey Ortiz hitting missiles
Speaker 1: off you bad. Yeah, it was not a good homecoming
Speaker 1: for Freddy, so much so that like people down in
Speaker 1: the league are talking about, like, U, what is the
Speaker 1: actual value on Freddy Perlta, Because if he pitches like this,
Speaker 1: he's not a playoff pitcher. Teams definitely are gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk themselves into find the problems right now with
Speaker 1: Freddy and how they can fix it, because it's just
Speaker 1: it is kind of crazy the fall off that he's had.
Speaker 1: And shout out again to all the Monday morning quarterbacks saying,
Speaker 1: how you know you said this is an organizational problem?
Speaker 1: How how did they think that Freddie pelt is gonna
Speaker 1: be good? Another guy that can't handle in New York.
Speaker 1: It's just that the pitches are horrible, Like he's just
Speaker 1: become a worse version of himself for a guy who
Speaker 1: we thought was actually consistently good, there's now that question.
Speaker 1: And I as much as we want to blame David
Speaker 1: Stearns for the shortcomings this season, who saw Freddy Praulta
Speaker 1: being this bad? Who's like if Freddy prolt was a
Speaker 1: four ra pitcher, the Mets would be significantly better than
Speaker 1: they are right now.
Speaker 2: And it's funny the Freddy Praulta asker to start on
Speaker 2: June third, he had I think it was a three
Speaker 2: six or three eight era. Yeah, and this has happened
Speaker 2: this quickly, and even this start like it was really
Speaker 2: now the fastball just getting pieced, like completely destroyed. He
Speaker 2: also couldn't locate it. It was either down the middle or
Speaker 2: missed the plate. Freddie Prault in this game, he threw
Speaker 2: eighteen first pitch fastballs to the twenty six hitters he faced.
Speaker 1: Only six of them were strikes. That's impossible.
Speaker 2: A thirty three percent first pitch strike rate with his
Speaker 2: fastball doesn't make any sense. And like I've said, the
Speaker 2: last few starts, like it actually has felt like there
Speaker 2: are moments where Freddy's breaking ball consistency has improved lately,
Speaker 2: But now this fastball command is so bad that doesn't
Speaker 2: even matter anymore.
Speaker 1: Slider was getting pieced up. It was not looking good
Speaker 1: against the Brewers. It felt like every time that he
Speaker 1: was giving up a big shot, it was off of
Speaker 1: the slider.
Speaker 2: It was just I thought it was all the fastball.
Speaker 2: I think all the home runs were fastballs.
Speaker 1: I think he gave up a bunch of hits on
Speaker 1: the sliders too. Take a look at that, because the
Speaker 1: slider was the slider was horrible. The slider hasn't been
Speaker 1: good for a couple of starts. He's not fooling anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was three three hits on the fastball. I think
Speaker 1: was one of them. The edge of Von home run,
Speaker 1: I can't remember I think what I thought there. I
Speaker 1: just swear the edge of Von home run. Now, the
Speaker 1: Pratt home run was definitely a slider. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a pitch that's not particularly good right now,
Speaker 1: and it's something that Freddy perwl To obviously needs because
Speaker 1: if you're a fastball change a pitcher from the right side,
Speaker 1: it's not typically one of the best profiles, and the
Speaker 1: fact that the slider is not doing anything is really
Speaker 1: hurting his value and production even more. I just I
Speaker 1: never saw this version of Freddy Peralta happening. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: As soon as he brought up the extension talks, he
Speaker 1: went completely south. Talk about a guy who has absolutely
Speaker 1: nuked his off season value. He's he's not pitching, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what his value is going to ultimately
Speaker 1: look like it's a short term deal, prove it type stuff. No,
Speaker 1: just to confirm the Von home run was on the fastball.
Speaker 1: The Cooper Pratt home run that was a breaking ball,
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, And it is kind of funny too
Speaker 1: with those two home runs. The Vaughn was a home
Speaker 1: run three of the thirty ballparks, the Pratt was seven.
Speaker 1: So again, that does feel like sometimes it is like
Speaker 1: an avalanche falling off Freddy praulta or he's pitching horribly.
Speaker 1: Some of it's not deserve, but everything just goes wrong
Speaker 1: every single opportunity. Yeah, and I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: noticed this, maybe you'll watch it in the next start.
Speaker 1: Watch what he throws. It looks like he's aiming, like everything.
Speaker 1: Feel like, even when he's throwing, he's like like this.
Speaker 1: And we've you've mentioned before on various different videos we
Speaker 1: do on our channels about how his extensions not as
Speaker 1: good as in the past. It feels like when he's throwing,
Speaker 1: he's kind of just like trying to place it in there.
Speaker 1: It looks like at times rather than like coming through
Speaker 1: and really throwing hard, which would also make sense with
Speaker 1: the extension issues. Yeah, it also felt weird.
Speaker 2: For him being back in Milwaukee to a degree, like
Speaker 2: just spent his whole career there, came up with them,
Speaker 2: and then like the kind of sad ovation he got
Speaker 2: when he left the mound after pitching really really poorly.
Speaker 1: It was just it was kind of like a surreal image. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't one of his best memories ever
Speaker 1: in that ballpark, for sure, No, but they probably actually
Speaker 1: one of the worst. They gotta be up there for
Speaker 1: the worst. Now, it's just it's just sad.
Speaker 2: And again, like this series, you're watching Cooper Pratt, Joey Ortiz.
Speaker 1: Like Joey Ortiz owns the Mets. That guy has got
Speaker 1: our number. Jo Ortis took over the game on Wednesday. Defensively, offensively,
Speaker 1: was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I was just this is just and it felt much
Speaker 2: worse on Monday than it wound up being the rest
Speaker 2: of the series. They were closter games like this was
Speaker 2: Misowski for only four innings against this version of Freddy Peralta,
Speaker 2: but just felt like one team was there to play
Speaker 2: baseball and one team was there because they had to
Speaker 2: play baseball.
Speaker 1: He was so dominant, The Brewers had such a commanding
Speaker 1: leader on this game that the Brewer they just decide
Speaker 1: four for Mizraowski's fine, we don't need to waste his bullets.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 2: The mis Rasky conversations are weird. The Brewers said they
Speaker 2: wanted to keep him down to like seventy pitches in
Speaker 2: this start because of how long the layoff he had
Speaker 2: they had to rebuild him back up.
Speaker 1: They also mentioned too during the broadcast that they don't
Speaker 1: want to misstarts with him, that they still want him
Speaker 1: to pitch every five days. Yeah, so a lot of this,
Speaker 1: Like I think Pat Murphy said it, that they want
Speaker 1: him to still go out there every single day to
Speaker 1: keep rhythm, but they're gonna very very strictly monitor his
Speaker 1: pitches moving forward. And in a game where you have
Speaker 1: a seven run lead or six run lead very early on,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good time to take
Speaker 1: your ace pitcher out in a game that you're guaranteed
Speaker 1: to win. Basically, Yeah, again.
Speaker 2: Thirteen days between those starts from Mizrawski. Very weird situation
Speaker 2: right now, but they're just they know more than we do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna nurse him right to the top of their
Speaker 2: playoff rotation. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It was also infuriating to see just how the Mets
Speaker 1: bats had nothing against the bullpen as well. Like Craig
Speaker 1: Joho is a good guy. But then like even Lance McCullers,
Speaker 1: I know, we've got a couple runs off. He put
Speaker 1: it together against McCullers a little bit. It's just struck
Speaker 1: out four guys like, oh totally.
Speaker 2: It's just never close enough to actually make this game
Speaker 2: really feel like anything was going on.
Speaker 1: No none whatsoever.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a bad game, to put it simply. God,
Speaker 1: Freddy has an ERA over five. Oh, he's the worst
Speaker 1: pitcher in baseball this year, I think qualified.
Speaker 2: Pitcher, no qualified pitchers. We have Jeffrey Springs, Aaron Nola,
Speaker 2: and future Met Mitch Keller. Keller actually might have gotten
Speaker 2: below Freddie's e RA today. Does he have the highest
Speaker 2: whip then I feel like he has something that's the
Speaker 2: highest live stats full season, because I think Keller pitched
Speaker 2: today on Wednesday, Yeah he did, so Keller went. Actually
Speaker 2: now he has a four to nine, but Meryl Kelly
Speaker 2: got hit hard, so now he has a five to one.
Speaker 2: So fred Caralt still the fourth highest ERA among all
Speaker 2: qualified pitchers.
Speaker 1: Just never in my life thought that he was going
Speaker 1: to be this bad for the Mets. It is going
Speaker 1: to go down some way somehow as one of the worst.
Speaker 1: David sertains trade and litany of bad trades, and the
Speaker 1: whip was the highest in the league heading into playing Wednesday,
Speaker 1: but the bad Meryl Kelly start has pushed it higher.
Speaker 1: That will do nice him and Meryl Kelly. Yeah, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: It's just really bad.
Speaker 2: Even like Sierra stat that's supposed to be like a
Speaker 2: little nicer to this version of Freddy PERALTI still on
Speaker 2: the bottom thirty in the league about he's twenty second highest.
Speaker 1: You think it's turning his trade value, because I do.
Speaker 1: I think now it's gone on so far turning his
Speaker 1: trade value. But I still think that once we get
Speaker 1: into the throes of the deadline to starting pitcher who's
Speaker 1: been streaking in the past, who I'm sure teams are
Speaker 1: gonna convince themselves they can help in the short term.
Speaker 1: I still think the Mets gat like a fringy top
Speaker 1: hunch of prospect for him at least and then probably
Speaker 1: one lottery ticket with it. Hope, so need something back
Speaker 1: for him. I think we will get something back fro him.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: We're gonna interview Robert Murray and it's gonna come out
Speaker 2: to you guys on Friday, So we're gonna ask him
Speaker 2: very openly, like how much does this short term lack
Speaker 2: of success to be very mild about it with Freddie
Speaker 2: Perl to hurt his actual trade value to the deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's giving us some really good stuff for trades
Speaker 1: in the past. So excited to hear what he has
Speaker 1: to say about this Mets team next next day, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the game that the best win much better
Speaker 1: for nothing win against Brandon Sprote who Brandon Sproke came
Speaker 1: out ready to pitch. He was like, what if I
Speaker 1: throw one hundred on every single fat Granted didn't pitch
Speaker 1: that well. He walked a bunch of guys give a
Speaker 1: bunch of hits. Wasn't the sharpest, but he was definitely motivated.
Speaker 1: Shout out Zach Thornton, though no more Zach Zac. H
Speaker 1: dropped the H. Zac. He said he's always felt like
Speaker 1: he was a ZAC. Never understood why the H was there.
Speaker 1: Loved to hear that from my left handed pitcher. What
Speaker 1: is with lefty pitchers just being like on another planet
Speaker 1: at all times?
Speaker 2: I think lefty pitchers are I don't know he get
Speaker 2: the advantage of the lefties. I feel like they have
Speaker 2: the advantage all the time, especially Thornton right now, he's
Speaker 2: just on such a roll.
Speaker 1: I can't eat such a.
Speaker 2: Heather Good reporting by Laura Albany's Newsday about why Zach
Speaker 2: Thornton dropped the h and like Mark said, he always
Speaker 2: didn't like the agent's name anyway, but he said, no
Speaker 2: one asked him before, and now they actually asked him
Speaker 2: at the major league levels. I guess that was also
Speaker 2: kind of like a mental moment of like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: actually gonna stick on this team now, which is cool
Speaker 2: after being up and down the first part of the season.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, I didn't want the HO.
Speaker 2: I took the h off, which again very funny. He
Speaker 2: also mentioned a drill in that interview with Laura that
Speaker 2: him and his dad would throw ninety foot ballpens when
Speaker 2: he was in high school or like at this I
Speaker 2: think she's in between thirteen fift teen years old. His
Speaker 2: dad was like, if you can throw strikes from ninety,
Speaker 2: he'll be very easy to throw strikes from sixty.
Speaker 1: I'm in if you could. If you could dodger wrench,
Speaker 1: you could dodge a ball.
Speaker 2: It's exactly how that felt to me. But another six
Speaker 2: ding star, another star of just manipulating.
Speaker 1: The heck out of that color.
Speaker 2: So this was three starts for Zach Thornton where he's
Speaker 2: completed six inns.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's more than fred Pralton now right, it's close.
Speaker 2: So Freddy Perlt has done so six times and twenty
Speaker 2: one starts. Shalman and I has done it twice in
Speaker 2: seven starts. Clay Holme's done it four times and nine
Speaker 2: starts normal clean leadsway. I think he's done it like
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen times, and Christian Scott still has not
Speaker 2: completed six innsach.
Speaker 1: Zach Thornton, though, he's got you and gets his first
Speaker 1: major league win two in this one, which is always nice.
Speaker 2: She should have gotten that Sunday, but the Francisco Indor
Speaker 2: error costs that.
Speaker 1: But still he's just he's fun. I think.
Speaker 2: Now this is an interesting time though, for a guy
Speaker 2: like Zach Thornton breaking out, where we have to contain
Speaker 2: ourselves to being like overtly excited, like I see every
Speaker 2: single twenty twenty seven Mets rotation prediction. I've seen something.
Speaker 2: Zack Thorton's has the number three starter. We have a
Speaker 2: long way to go before that comes. But I do
Speaker 2: think Zach Thornton is is showing a lot of the
Speaker 2: things that's very important of like a back end star
Speaker 2: than a guy who can stick when we're still just
Speaker 2: kind of waiting for him to take more steps to
Speaker 2: show he can be that guy.
Speaker 1: For all the underhood stuff. Right now, the results phenomenal
Speaker 1: under the hood, we need more. Yeah, not the same
Speaker 1: type of picture, but like this, he's doing what we
Speaker 1: were hoping our other lefty that was in this rotation
Speaker 1: was gonna do this year, which is David Peterson, which
Speaker 1: is like, really, just give you a quality starts. That's
Speaker 1: what you need out of a guy like Zach Thorn.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be an ace, He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a cy Young Award winner, but if he can, you
Speaker 1: can make a great career out of being a really
Speaker 1: good major league picture like he has been so far.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, he'll be around forever.
Speaker 2: I love the fact that, like I said before, he
Speaker 2: just he manipulates that color well, he's comfortable on both
Speaker 2: sides of the plate. He can kind of also change
Speaker 2: the depth of it at times to make it kind
Speaker 2: of like two different pitches, which I like he broke
Speaker 2: off some nice ones where it was like two different
Speaker 2: colors in the same at back to Jackson Chorio to
Speaker 2: basically close his start in the sixth inning. He only
Speaker 2: faced Chorio and Terank third time through. I feel like
Speaker 2: Andy Green really wanted him to get through that sixth
Speaker 2: inning and that there was like a ton of stress
Speaker 2: around that. It felt like he was good to do it,
Speaker 2: but it was cool to see him mix a match.
Speaker 2: I liked as Villa was up a good bit too,
Speaker 2: because his cother was over eighty eight in this game.
Speaker 2: It's average about eighty seven in the Major League this season.
Speaker 2: Everything was up a tick mostly. I like seeing him
Speaker 2: mix in a couple of change ups, a couple of curveballs,
Speaker 2: more sweepers. He's going to need to have lots of
Speaker 2: junk to make this all work long term, so the
Speaker 2: more that keeps happening the better. And we're seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of good short term growth here from Zach Thoron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super excited again. Keep him in that rotation the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. Let's see what the young kids got,
Speaker 1: because he's been pretty good so far, and then offensively
Speaker 1: in this one. Ah, did you see you share? Buddy? Francisco,
Speaker 1: lindoorhes that hope ye a start with there.
Speaker 2: James was still seven after Wednesday, though after Wednesday it
Speaker 2: was because he got a hit in his last that bat,
Speaker 2: didn't he Lindor, it's seven thirteen.
Speaker 1: It was actually higher or it's higher seven thirteen. So
Speaker 1: do you think you still think he ends the season
Speaker 1: eight hundred? I think they're pretty close to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's played forty games and he's, from what
Speaker 1: we've been told by others, the worst forty games ever.
Speaker 1: You would think that friends to school Indoor did something
Speaker 1: to your family based on how everyone talks about how
Speaker 1: he played. But through forty games, he's a league average hitter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good feeling that the guy who
Speaker 1: does this every single year that he's been a met
Speaker 1: we'll do it again. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We did a lot of yapping about Lindor and all
Speaker 2: the murmurs and the rumors and the chat there on
Speaker 2: the last episode. So thank you guys off for sporting
Speaker 2: that last year. He came out and said they like
Speaker 2: we said podcut direct apologies by me. When I edited
Speaker 2: that episode uploaded, I didn't realize how full the storage
Speaker 2: was on my computer, so an export that I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it's gone to YouTube fast, and then I shot my
Speaker 2: computer and went to bed because it was like one
Speaker 2: in the morning, and I was like, ah, I like
Speaker 2: upload seventeen minutes of the podcast. So that went up
Speaker 2: neon the next day. So apologies to you guys, but
Speaker 2: I just it's kind out of control. We can't talk
Speaker 2: about every episode. Probably talk about it a lot with
Speaker 2: Robert next. But it's just nice to see him play
Speaker 2: good baseball, and I think he does tons of good
Speaker 2: baseball left in him. It's not really much of a
Speaker 2: concern from my end about it. No, he's still like
Speaker 2: definitely rusty in the field. He even had that awkward
Speaker 2: play in that.
Speaker 1: Was Wednesday the days yeah, and Wednesday's game, well, he
Speaker 1: had a couple of awkward plays with like the jumping
Speaker 1: on the kind of soft liner where he jumped a
Speaker 1: little bit too early. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: Contraras or Churio hit it, the awkward play with Marcus Simian.
Speaker 1: It feels very much like it's still spring training for
Speaker 1: Francis School and doors. That is not an excuse because
Speaker 1: it's the regular season. You want him to play at
Speaker 1: the one hundred games in yeah, at the top level.
Speaker 1: But right now for him, it feels like he's still
Speaker 1: in spring training mode a bit.
Speaker 2: And not an excuse, but it's just sometimes players have
Speaker 2: seasons that just don't go their way, and this just
Speaker 2: feels like it's one of those, fella door And I
Speaker 2: still feel like a lot of the numbers will be
Speaker 2: okay by the end.
Speaker 1: But looks pretty good in this game.
Speaker 2: In game two, yeahy, everyone kind of look god in
Speaker 2: this game. But everyone he felt like they showed up
Speaker 2: to play. I mean, Louis repair at the home run
Speaker 2: around the world four fifty.
Speaker 1: Do you guys see that? Guardians? You see that? Phillies Braves,
Speaker 1: You guys see what this guy can do? Unbelievable? Hither
Speaker 1: you wouldn't you want to catch lighting in a bottle
Speaker 1: like this? Yeah, I mean, listen, we'll take some of
Speaker 1: your prospects. Taking prospects.
Speaker 2: It's funny that for all the horrible decisions David Stearns
Speaker 2: has made, somewhere in his faults, I'm definitely his fault
Speaker 2: probably can get a successful arbitrage on Louise Robert Jr.
Speaker 1: That and also for all the horrible decisions that have
Speaker 1: been made in trades, all that kind of stuff. Probably
Speaker 1: gonna have some of the most impactful players traded at
Speaker 1: the deadline by any team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also one of the last times you're going
Speaker 2: to get to see the Mets bullpen just be lockdown
Speaker 2: between Beaver, Raley and Devin Williams having a nice clean
Speaker 2: return to a to Milwaukee, which was funny. But Weaver
Speaker 2: and Raley just so free and easy as relievers. We
Speaker 2: saw again with minter Aro on Wednesday, we get to
Speaker 2: finish his frame. But these guys are really gonna be
Speaker 2: parts of the playoff race night.
Speaker 1: I wish I wish them so well for that. I
Speaker 1: think the Mets ever considered trading Jared Young. I mean,
Speaker 1: does he have any value? I think he does.
Speaker 2: Jared Young is I think why like the on the
Speaker 2: twenty the eighties scathing scale, like the forty five exists. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you are. You're a fine defensive first baseman. You're
Speaker 2: gonna hit Riley's but probably not like the best in
Speaker 2: the league. You can never get in a bad against
Speaker 2: the lefty. But you're as far as twenty six guys
Speaker 2: on a roster. I'm very okay with you having one
Speaker 2: of the spots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. No, he had a nice game too, hitting
Speaker 1: that home run. He's got Bob. He's got Bob. He's
Speaker 1: a good athlete, and like you said, he plays a
Speaker 1: pretty good first base. So shout Jared Young. Everybody in
Speaker 1: this game was hitting well. I'm Soto badies didn't play
Speaker 1: in Game three. Just I don't know. Milwaukee's weird. Again.
Speaker 1: We say this every time we play there. I hate
Speaker 1: watching games in that stadium. It's very dark and dreary,
Speaker 1: and it feels like the weirdest shit happens. Also, it
Speaker 1: felt like the infield grass in the outfield grass is
Speaker 1: extremely long. I feel like watching some of the balls roll,
Speaker 1: it felt like the ball was moving so slow. On
Speaker 1: balls that were hit particularly hard, especially to the outfield,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, that ball didn't reach the right field,
Speaker 1: or what the hell are you calling it out?
Speaker 2: Like another Dame against USC, they let the grass run out.
Speaker 1: I think the Brewers are letting the grass run thick.
Speaker 1: And I also looked up this is a fun little
Speaker 1: research I did the other night while I was home
Speaker 1: in Jersey. The Brewers have the most groundball singles in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, but away teams have the least amount
Speaker 1: of ground ball singles in Major League Baseball in American
Speaker 1: family field. I don't know what that means, but that's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. I feel like that just means they
Speaker 1: have great defensive positioning. I think it's that. I think
Speaker 1: it's that thick grass. How are they playing to thick
Speaker 1: grass but no one else because they've got great defense too.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: You mentioned before how Spro came out right at the
Speaker 2: pitch and this was like a classic Spro game where
Speaker 2: it was like did you see the flash? And he's like,
Speaker 2: I can't miss any bats. Ten of the eleven hardest
Speaker 2: pitch they threw in this game.
Speaker 1: We're in the first inning. Yeah, he came out ripping
Speaker 1: Gary and Keith made note of that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Gary, Keith had the good series as well.
Speaker 2: This is also on this game started the discourse with
Speaker 2: Louise Robert Junior's return about off days and this game.
Speaker 2: So those in DH we had benj in right and
Speaker 2: we had Ewing in left. But once we got to
Speaker 2: the game on Wednesday, so there was on the bench
Speaker 2: and baby wasn't right with Ewing back in center and
Speaker 2: people are up in arms about well fairly about Brett
Speaker 2: baby played the outfield again as we start to move
Speaker 2: on to the next game here, but more so about
Speaker 2: the fact that Benj and ewing because youwing was off
Speaker 2: on Monday. Yes, it's about the fact that these guys
Speaker 2: are going wrong about that buzzing off one of these
Speaker 2: days and there was a there's a Twitter storm about it.
Speaker 1: No, I think Benj was off on Monday, right, Ben
Speaker 1: was off on which my rookie is confused. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. To jump in a little bit here, I
Speaker 1: think like the rational fan and again, the guys who
Speaker 1: were listening to us and women shout to women who
Speaker 1: listened to mets up all six of them. Yeah, all six.
Speaker 1: I think we can understand why Louise Robert is getting
Speaker 1: the playing time over some of these guys right now,
Speaker 1: because Louis Roberar is probably not gonna be on this
Speaker 1: team August fourth, So yeah, you've got to showcase him.
Speaker 1: For a guy who's missed a lot of time. The
Speaker 1: only reason he didn't play on Wednesday is because it's
Speaker 1: the late night game on Tuesday, early game on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: For a guy who has the worst muscles, can't get hurt.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing we can do with this guy,
Speaker 1: but he does have to play to showcase the teams
Speaker 1: that he's healthy and a good baseball player, all those
Speaker 1: things that you would expect. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: particularly care. Again, if we were like missing one game
Speaker 1: for Carson Bench in the series and aj Ewing didn't sit,
Speaker 1: it feels like we're really, really, really nitpicking at that point.
Speaker 2: It's also something about and I think this gets overlooked
Speaker 2: when players transition from the minor leagues to the major league,
Speaker 2: is that the major league season is significantly longer than
Speaker 2: the longest minor league season.
Speaker 1: Yes, by almost fifty games.
Speaker 2: So last year through the minor league season, Carson Bench
Speaker 2: played one hundred and sixteen baseball games. He's already the
Speaker 2: at ninety eight this year twenty twenty four. The year
Speaker 2: before that between college sixty one games in college, which
Speaker 2: is a long college season, and fifteen games in Saint Lucy.
Speaker 2: And we've seen a lot of other young players over
Speaker 2: the last few years kind of run out of gas
Speaker 2: just because they've never played this long of a season.
Speaker 2: So it happened Alvarez a few years ago. We saw
Speaker 2: the James Wood in Washington last year. So it's just
Speaker 2: it's probably not the worst thing to give these guys
Speaker 2: a day off here and there. It's not the end
Speaker 2: of the world, even though some Mets fans were acting
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that being said, there is no excuse for Ret
Speaker 1: Baty to be playing right field. It makes the thing
Speaker 1: quite literally zero sense on a team that has five
Speaker 1: primary position outfielders on the roster at the time of
Speaker 1: Wednesday's game. Like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but
Speaker 1: that's gotta be Tyrone Taylor. Then if it's not going
Speaker 1: to be Soto A Robert, it can't be Brett Baty.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're playing him out there, and
Speaker 1: if it's to showcase him, he just showed everyone in
Speaker 1: the league he can't play the outfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the flip side. The only reason that
Speaker 2: happens was because he Brett Baby, relative to his season,
Speaker 2: has been swinging the.
Speaker 1: Bat well of late. And you get a home run
Speaker 1: in this game. Yes he had a home run.
Speaker 2: She's only down one run after the error, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't even called there a hometown score, and I think
Speaker 2: that want being a triple And sure Joey Ortiz was
Speaker 2: a home run away from the cycle in that game
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, after making the game saving defensive playing the
Speaker 2: ninth inning as well. But digress, there's probably something where
Speaker 2: it's like, this guy's playing too well right now. Just
Speaker 2: put him in the field so we can get them
Speaker 2: at bad, so we could just see where see if
Speaker 2: we can build any confidence here, if we can get
Speaker 2: the back going with this, that, the other thing, whatever
Speaker 2: it may be. But then the problem is again you
Speaker 2: make a horrible error. Probably realistically, Semish just be losing
Speaker 2: playing time. I know he hit the home run also
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, but Baty has at least showed do you
Speaker 2: want to actually showcase value and show that this player
Speaker 2: is still versatile worthwhile to keep on a baseball team.
Speaker 2: Second and third makes way more sense than second, third,
Speaker 2: than right field, which he's been pretty bad a lot
Speaker 2: of times in the Outfield's so.
Speaker 1: So interesting to me. Why would Jared Young not go
Speaker 1: to the outfield and then Brett Batty at first? Jared
Speaker 1: Young He's been even worse at first this year, and
Speaker 1: Young's bad in the outfield.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just think it's the wrong guys from the
Speaker 2: wrong spots. I also think if you're going to do
Speaker 2: that not that the Met's avenue ground ball pitchers besides
Speaker 2: McClain anymore. As I say this out loud, but like
Speaker 2: Christian Scott's a textbook flyball guy. Probably all the all
Speaker 2: the lefties are in the line up against Christian Scott,
Speaker 2: like you're just you're just throwing brickey the Wolves. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's what you have to do to get him better
Speaker 2: in the outfield. But and wins and losses don't matter,
Speaker 2: like we've been saying. But just it's a shitty visual
Speaker 2: and it hurt a guy like Christian Scott at the
Speaker 2: time when he was rolling, when he was about to
Speaker 2: get out of a first and third no OU.
Speaker 1: Jam, for that ball to drop, Yeah, it would have
Speaker 1: been a big difference. Because again I don't particularly care
Speaker 1: about the winning and losing right now, it's not about that.
Speaker 1: But like process wise, it was like I don't really
Speaker 1: don't really love Brett Baty getting more reps in the outfield,
Speaker 1: Like we've seen it. He's not good out there. It's
Speaker 1: not a position for him. He could play three spots
Speaker 1: in the infield. Let's just let's just do that. We
Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about in this game.
Speaker 2: Like again, whatever happened with Christian Scott, the lineup, all
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Speaker 1: Back to game number three, you mentioned Christian Scott almost
Speaker 1: got out of that jam. The final lines not pretty,
Speaker 1: but not got it. I don't think he pitched poorly.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it was as sharp as hiss
Speaker 1: previous starts. No, and there's another one of those starts
Speaker 1: which was kind of like a heat checked moment for Scott,
Speaker 1: just to remind us that there still are steps to
Speaker 1: be taken. The lefties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the lefties, because this was a game where
Speaker 2: it didn't seem like he super trusted his cother so
Speaker 2: we didn't the Brewis basically didn't chase a few of
Speaker 2: them early that were in on the hands of the lefties,
Speaker 2: and then he kind of stopped using it. Then he
Speaker 2: threw the curve ball a few times for cold strikes
Speaker 2: and it got some. Also wasn't really great, and again
Speaker 2: the whole thing kind of felt like it spun out
Speaker 2: after that Brett Baby misplay, which credit to Baity. He
Speaker 2: did hit the home run later and he went to
Speaker 2: Scott after the inning, was like, my bad. Yeah, Scott
Speaker 2: tapped him. He's like, no, Burry's like, you'll pick me
Speaker 2: up another time, Like all big deal, but just with
Speaker 2: the command if he for Scott with the Brewers team
Speaker 2: that didn't chase anything.
Speaker 1: They chased like one or two pitches out of strikes
Speaker 1: on his whole start. It was early on with Churio,
Speaker 1: Cherio chased the nasty sweeper, but I don't even think
Speaker 1: he had one chase from a lefty.
Speaker 2: It just was when you can't get that chase against them.
Speaker 2: Scott still has some trouble inside the zone against lefties
Speaker 2: with that fastball.
Speaker 1: Currently is the only pitcher you can really throw it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he threw one too Christianelch, and Christian Elch is like,
Speaker 1: watch this easy, like single to left field. He's like,
Speaker 1: you can't get that by me, dude.
Speaker 2: And then when he falls behind in the account against
Speaker 2: the lefties and they're not going for the color and
Speaker 2: he has to throw the fastball. They know he's throwing
Speaker 2: the fastball. It's just it got hit hard than it's
Speaker 2: got hit in the last few starts. Again, young pitcher, happens,
Speaker 2: We're gonna try again next week.
Speaker 1: That's also struck out fifteen times in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that time it does he even struck out
Speaker 2: on a Monday that was like twelve times.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's just a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: swing and missing going on. Jorge Polanco looks about as
Speaker 1: not useful as a player as we've seen in a
Speaker 1: long time, and that includes Marcus Simeon in that conversation
Speaker 1: and semi.
Speaker 2: In terms of what he did earlier in this series
Speaker 2: offensively defensively, it looked like it made I think, I
Speaker 2: said on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It made my eyes bleed.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was shocked at how vocal Gary and Keith were
Speaker 1: about the awkward almost double play that wasn't double play
Speaker 1: between Lindor and Simion, and mostly blaming Simeon. They're like,
Speaker 1: he's not even in a position to try and turn
Speaker 1: two and that's something that like I think I've said you,
Speaker 1: me and my dad have like texted back and forth
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the Mets. It feels like there's
Speaker 1: a major inability to turn double plays as a team.
Speaker 1: There's no there's there's no speed, there's no quick turns.
Speaker 1: And Marcus Imien has been so bad at second base.
Speaker 1: Like the one thing that we thought was gonna stick
Speaker 1: was at least that he was gonna give us plus
Speaker 1: defense at that position. I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: worst defensive second basemen in the league this year. Oh
Speaker 1: he is, for sure.
Speaker 2: And he bunkled like easy plays this whole series, like
Speaker 2: that one behind the base that clanked off his hand
Speaker 2: and they were in like the shift and that played
Speaker 2: with Lindor and send me in for the double play.
Speaker 2: Lador led him around the bag with a flip in
Speaker 2: the air as if he was gonna come around the
Speaker 2: bag as we went to back and throw, but send
Speaker 2: me and planted on the base like we're just playing
Speaker 2: for one.
Speaker 1: Which I think Contreras might have been running. I turned
Speaker 1: two without a doubt. Yeah I remember who was running,
Speaker 1: So don't quote me on that one. But I was
Speaker 1: just like this is.
Speaker 2: It was a weird moment, it was a weird play,
Speaker 2: and it was one where it just didn't feel like
Speaker 2: these guys are on the same page again. They really
Speaker 2: actually haven't played that much because of all the choppiness
Speaker 2: with the Door and his injuries, and send me with
Speaker 2: the recent one when the Door was back, but still
Speaker 2: not an excuse for this. And Polanco like that ball
Speaker 2: training made amazing play up the middle, fantastic, but like, uh,
Speaker 2: you anyone once in the league probably beats that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the combination of not being healthy and
Speaker 1: also not hitting the ball, well, it's it's a tough
Speaker 1: it's a tough combo because he's a DH who can't
Speaker 1: hit right now. That's not normally what you look for.
Speaker 1: We have plenty of those kind of players.
Speaker 2: So he's also Dash doesn't have any power right now,
Speaker 2: which is something that Planco is very much supposed to have.
Speaker 2: Something he showed last year, Like the Shrake out rate's
Speaker 2: still really low. Like that's really cool, but like it's
Speaker 2: a weird situation with Polanco and Semion because we're thinking
Speaker 2: a lot about twenty twenty seven. These are two guys
Speaker 2: under contract you definitely can't trade at least take on
Speaker 2: a contract that's of equal or worse value. And these
Speaker 2: are two guys that, if you told me right now,
Speaker 2: they're in denying on opening day next year, I probably
Speaker 2: don't feel tremendous about either of them, especially that this
Speaker 2: planco thing the team has. By thing, I mean his
Speaker 2: heel injury that seems.
Speaker 1: To not be going away. The team has made the
Speaker 1: assessment that surgery won't help very much and he has
Speaker 1: to basically play it off and improve, and the teammate
Speaker 1: that assessment. Medically, I can't really argue with that.
Speaker 2: Then looking with my eyes and I'm like, this guy
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he's a healthy baseball player.
Speaker 1: He's hobbling around like his name's Jed Lowry. So like,
Speaker 1: it's it's bad between those two that we're giving what
Speaker 1: like forty five million dollars a year to those two
Speaker 1: guys to basically be useless players. It's really really difficult.
Speaker 1: It makes the roster so much tighter. And the fact
Speaker 1: that they're getting paid that amount of money, they're gonna
Speaker 1: play and you're not just gonna cut them, Like as
Speaker 1: much as I would love to, they're not just going
Speaker 1: to cut Horiy Polanco and Marcusimie it won't happen. How
Speaker 1: many of them?
Speaker 2: How many innings has Horriy Blanco played at first base
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Do you have a number? It's coming up right now.
Speaker 1: How many games has he played? How many just games?
Speaker 1: Horry Plank has played in twenty one games. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say he's played seventy five innings at first base. Twenty whoa,
Speaker 1: that's way less. Oh my god, he's playing first base
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 2: No, because he had a little injury or the neck.
Speaker 2: I think he played the first base in like two
Speaker 2: of the first seven games.
Speaker 1: And that was it. Mark vien Dos and Breviti know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying this whole and Jared Young okay took
Speaker 1: his lunch, but it was just it always felt weird.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, he's give me the first base,
Speaker 2: and we were kind of like are you sure. We're
Speaker 2: like why, and like he kind of flashed defensively in
Speaker 2: his spring trainding. I think if he would have played there,
Speaker 2: he would been fine defender there. It's not really the point,
Speaker 2: but it just seems like his whatever's gonna happen to
Speaker 2: his lower body in a short period of time has
Speaker 2: sunk him, this guy who multiple home runs off terror
Speaker 2: Schooble in the ALCS less and like it's it's amazing
Speaker 2: how big of a piece he was not even long ago,
Speaker 2: and how hotly saw that after he was on the
Speaker 2: free agent market allegedly, and to be this much of
Speaker 2: a zero this deep in the season, and again, maybe
Speaker 2: he just has to play this off.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is all everything we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Lindor also should be true Planco to a much lesser
Speaker 2: degree because he's less of a player. But he could
Speaker 2: just wind up the season with a hot month. We
Speaker 2: could be like, all right, if this guy is first
Speaker 2: base DH next year, We're okay. But as of right now,
Speaker 2: that feels so far away it's not even funny.
Speaker 1: I feel like as an organization, and again this is
Speaker 1: directly on David Stearns, and this isn't even about Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 1: I'm not going there. But I'm gonna talk about first
Speaker 1: base position as a whole. I think something that me
Speaker 1: and you have always said is who cares about first
Speaker 1: base defense? We personally don't really care that much. The
Speaker 1: Brewers first baseman are Jake Bowers and Andrew Vaughan, who I
Speaker 1: think combined have like negative TENA at first base this year,
Speaker 1: but they're absolutely mashing. You gotta get bats, you gotta
Speaker 1: get guys who actually know how to play the position,
Speaker 1: and even still they might not be that great defense.
Speaker 1: We like, I we should not have prioritized first base defense,
Speaker 1: and like, let's.
Speaker 2: Let's really rage bait people for a second. You want
Speaker 2: to do that, Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna get positional splits for every single team in the
Speaker 2: league as the player that day who started that first
Speaker 2: base nice.
Speaker 1: I like that. I know the Mets have the second
Speaker 1: lowest ops and it's only in front of the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: who have basically been playing a crippled.
Speaker 2: Person at first base this year. So the Mets have
Speaker 2: actually risen in that. I'm gonna get the split to
Speaker 2: include to live stats full season, the Mets of the
Speaker 2: second lowest WRC plus. That's good, But the Mets have
Speaker 2: risen to the third lowest ops.
Speaker 1: Who do we pass?
Speaker 2: And weirdly, the Diamondbacks Diamonbacks have jumped there's seven oh four.
Speaker 1: Now, somehow that can't be right. It is, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it right now, but it's their first space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this positional split first base. Oh, they can't
Speaker 2: do live stats full season, so clicked it off. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh the Mets are the Mets are still fourth lowest.
Speaker 2: So the Diamondbacks are the worst. The Diamondbacks first baseman
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what That's what I'm like there, dude,
Speaker 1: there's no way they jumped up that much. Diamonbacks first
Speaker 1: baseman of a five eighty six OPS. Dude, have you
Speaker 1: seen oldamorro of Argus since May? I think he has
Speaker 1: a four to twenty OPS.
Speaker 2: Cleveland Guardians six forty four, and then us in the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays who plays first base.
Speaker 1: For the Blue Jays. How much money did he get made?
Speaker 1: We're tied.
Speaker 2: I mean we wanted them pretty badly. We're tied six
Speaker 2: six forty eight OPS. Then the Mariners who took the
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks first baseman. There's six seventy two also in the
Speaker 2: first basement of the big contract. Orioles first baseman this year.
Speaker 2: I just just to throw it out there have the nineteenth.
Speaker 1: Highest OPS in the league. Interesting, of all people who
Speaker 1: played first base for that team all year. It is
Speaker 1: a clear hundred points higher than the Mets. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's infield defense. Now, It's just it's it's very bad.
Speaker 1: Just for a full season stat line too.
Speaker 2: If you guys want more of this horrible, horrible news,
Speaker 2: Mets first base this year of a two fifteen, two
Speaker 2: seventy three, three seventy five.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 2: And if if you want to take the median of
Speaker 2: first base WRC plus it is one to nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something that the Dinebacks at least have
Speaker 1: though five to OA at first base this year. Elite defense.
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna hit the Mets, this is a
Speaker 1: fun one. The Mets have the second worst first base
Speaker 1: defense according to OAA in Major League Baseball, negative ten.
Speaker 1: The Brewers are the worst. Orioles are where's Baltimore Orioles?
Speaker 1: Why can't I find their logo? Oh? The Orioles are
Speaker 1: the second best no in OAA at Oh that's all positions.
Speaker 1: At first base they have the second best. Good for them?
Speaker 1: Good for Pete, Good for Pete? I have That is
Speaker 1: a double fisted fucking concerns.
Speaker 2: Our common section is gonna be fighting with the opposite
Speaker 2: pe with they're fighting with un normal episodes.
Speaker 1: Right now. But it's just it just goes to show
Speaker 1: how bad this team is. So bad they can't they
Speaker 1: can't do anything right almost no.
Speaker 2: And it just makes it really complicated. Think about next
Speaker 2: season with these two guys sent me in a planco
Speaker 2: on the roster, and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much you.
Speaker 1: Can trust them. I wish one of them would pull,
Speaker 1: could die er and just take one for the team
Speaker 1: and say I'm out. But there're owed so much money.
Speaker 1: I would never do that. No, They're pockets are twenty mil,
Speaker 1: and send means you're twenty four mil, right, Yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: four mil for another two years. Oh my god, Marcus
Speaker 1: Simon's gonna be here for another two and a half seasons, James,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he doesn't get through two more seasons. Wow,
Speaker 1: the guy, love the guy came back from a fucking
Speaker 1: six week injury in two weeks.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's gonna it's gonna be robsy Cano
Speaker 2: thing superhuman. That's gonna be huge in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: similar to twenty twenty two, where we do the early
Speaker 2: season semi and cut gives the whole team a boost.
Speaker 1: Just just squeeze him for whatever juice could possibly left,
Speaker 1: and then once you decide that there's like not a drop,
Speaker 1: it's goodbye. SMELLU later.
Speaker 2: That was when we cut him, right, twenty twenty two officially, Yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to two. Yeah, so again that that's
Speaker 2: gonna be a day, right. He did play opening Day
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Robs In Cano three sixteen three, fifty
Speaker 2: five forty, the triple slash in fifty Games twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Robinson Cano one last year twenty that was very bad, Rober.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Robinson Canoe. We did it again. We
Speaker 1: did it again? How did we do it again? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: have an agent as GM and do it again from sea.
Speaker 1: I was even talking about Sammy and you could even
Speaker 1: do both of them for this.
Speaker 2: But the girl's got some new rumors from Big Ken
Speaker 2: Rosenthal Will Salmon Athletic article. A lot of mess fans
Speaker 2: want Clay Holmes to be on this team forever.
Speaker 1: But Ken Roosevelt basically says, it's good. It's gone.
Speaker 2: Much more likely gets trade than extended, which makes so
Speaker 2: much sense, and that Robert, it is getting trade interest.
Speaker 1: Nice good, my king, But you know what it was
Speaker 1: a good run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, not gonna do rumors too much in this
Speaker 2: episode because Robert Murray coming on Friday.
Speaker 1: But it's the Mets have to trade lay Holmes for
Speaker 1: anything they can get. Yeah, and I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: get something decent. I really don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: that bad. I think it will be a prospect outside
Speaker 1: the top. It will be maybe like a hipster top
Speaker 1: one hundred guy, but not like a consensus top one hundred.
Speaker 1: That's the ceiling possibly, or it's just a tools the
Speaker 1: nineteen year old. Yeah, we've been told that the Mets
Speaker 1: just want the best available prospect. They're not looking for
Speaker 1: anything in particular best available, which is the right way
Speaker 1: to go about it.
Speaker 2: And they're not steadfast in twenty twenty seven, which we
Speaker 2: thought could be a possibility, and we've done some most trade
Speaker 2: episodes with you guys recently. We've been told that they're
Speaker 2: just looking for absolute best talent what they could get.
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Speaker 1: All right, we know yoshinob Yamamota MacLean Saturday, you told
Speaker 1: us Peralta Sunday, give us all the pitching matchups one
Speaker 1: more time.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are basically a college baseball team where they
Speaker 2: have pitchers that pitch on days of the week, which
Speaker 2: is kind of funny. So Dodgers Friday guy Roki Sasaki
Speaker 2: facing Sean and Ayah. Remember the Remember the NLCS how
Speaker 2: was a long time ago. Sold you guys Saturday, Yoshinobiya
Speaker 2: mood Versula MacLean, Sunday Mattina one for the m Mitchi
Speaker 2: and versus Freddie Peralta in the disappointment off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is two guys who are like, man,
Speaker 1: you stink this year. Emmachian probably gonna be used in
Speaker 1: a trade to go get Trek Scougle. So possibly we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see winds up happening with the trade deadline. But
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have gotten to a joy a nice East
Speaker 2: Coast trip right off the break. Very easy trial for
Speaker 2: the Dodgers to come off the All Star break must
Speaker 2: be nice New York, filling New York before heading back home.
Speaker 1: If their guys didn't even have to leave, they just
Speaker 1: got to stay in the same area that they were in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they mostly did that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, this Dodgers teams wagon the Brewers actually
Speaker 2: by beating us in the series this week, past the
Speaker 2: Dodgers for best record in baseball, which is Brewers. I
Speaker 2: want the Brewis to get the number one seed just
Speaker 2: so this even possibly chance the Dodgers don't go to
Speaker 2: the World Series again. So it's a you know, we're
Speaker 2: asking for a lot there to ask for that, but
Speaker 2: that's what we got. And this Dodgers team is like amazing,
Speaker 2: and they've honestly, most of the guys that we expect
Speaker 2: to be really good aren't even playing that well and they're.
Speaker 1: Still this good. No shout out on America's favorite player though,
Speaker 1: fault and rushing. If he's got no fans, I'm dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're the only one left. You have a big home run.
Speaker 1: He's long home run on a ball, respect ball, and
Speaker 1: I like I like to do with a little chip
Speaker 1: on his shoulder. It might just be a little too big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's just a jerk. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder could use some fucking assholes
Speaker 1: on their team. They have New York Mets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely could have way too many nice guys
Speaker 2: in this team right now. But I mean Tany's otan
Speaker 2: he's not going to pitch for a little while because
Speaker 2: he has a little new thing. But I think they
Speaker 2: just want to make sure he's pitching for the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Mookie Betts hasn't hit this year. Kyle Tucker's been dreadful
Speaker 2: this year yet really bad. So I thing on Twitter
Speaker 2: that Kyle Tucker with the tax bill is getting paid,
Speaker 2: like he's costing the Dodgers like one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: million dollars. He's gonna have like a one and a
Speaker 2: half win season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got an ops under seven hundred at the
Speaker 1: time recording, so that's not particularly good. As does Tasker
Speaker 1: and Andwsho's on a three year, like sixty million dollar contract. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, as much as the Dodgers do spend
Speaker 1: money and get all the guys that they want, some
Speaker 1: of these guys are starting to get old now that
Speaker 1: money is going to catch up at some point.
Speaker 2: And like Eric Lower pitches this team every single week too,
Speaker 2: Like they justin Roal Bleski's taking a mass step forward
Speaker 2: not getting him.
Speaker 1: Did you see what Roki this first start out of
Speaker 1: the break on Friday against the Yankees. He looked pretty good,
Speaker 1: didn't he? He was around one hundred and two. He
Speaker 1: threw I think was like fifteen to the seventeen hardest
Speaker 1: pitches of his career in that game. Yeah, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to trade for a minute. Dynasty League. I think it's
Speaker 1: finally time. I think I think give him another next
Speaker 1: season twenty twenty seven play, which is fine. They got time.
Speaker 1: They a lot of team don't care. He's free.
Speaker 2: He's still free for another full year after this. Andy
Speaker 2: paj has has really regressed lately, but he's been a
Speaker 2: great run producer hitting between Otani and Freeman, as Betts
Speaker 2: has had a bad season.
Speaker 1: Edmund just came back off the Ange. Listen, he's ripping
Speaker 1: the ball. Right now.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to watch prime Tommy Edmond against US.
Speaker 1: Can I say something crazy? What this version of the
Speaker 1: Dodgers cannot win the World Series? I think that's still
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, the no Tani pitching version. I think
Speaker 1: they can't. I mean, I don't think that they're the
Speaker 1: best team in the National League as as the roster
Speaker 1: currently stands today.
Speaker 2: I think, don't matter what when the games get tight
Speaker 2: and you have to say, play the next best. Would
Speaker 2: you think I'm assuming's the best team National League, which
Speaker 2: the Brewers Brewers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the team that the Dodgers don't want
Speaker 1: to see is the Phillies more than the Brewers. So
Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I think the Dodgers know how easily that series could
Speaker 2: have changed last year against the Phillies.
Speaker 1: I see the Brewer. I see the Dodgers respecting the
Speaker 1: Brewers more than the Phillies, almost because the Phillies similar
Speaker 1: ish to the Yankees, where it's like, oh, we know
Speaker 1: this team plays dogshit defense and makes, as we saw,
Speaker 1: some of the worst base running decisions in baseball. I
Speaker 1: feel like from a process standpoint, they don't respect them.
Speaker 2: I think the Dodgers respect the Brewers like you respect
Speaker 2: your little cousin who plays really hard against you in
Speaker 2: like backyard sports but just can't can't get one over
Speaker 2: on you. But I see the Dodgers busy cousins, so
Speaker 2: that means nothing to me.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yes, I'm actually the big one. So
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: I mean, and Anthony Pool basketball, this is this Sunday
Speaker 2: can't wait at start on his calendar for years.
Speaker 1: Since last time. But that's just to me how they
Speaker 1: view them.
Speaker 2: But I see them viewing the Phillies as like a
Speaker 2: true adversary, who's someone that could get them and a
Speaker 2: team that's going to buy again, not talking trade deadline
Speaker 2: for other teams, but like even yeah, day wound is
Speaker 2: not a World Series rotation as it stands without Otani, No.
Speaker 1: Of course, but Blake Snell is going to back I
Speaker 1: think next week or the week after, and that changes
Speaker 1: things dramatically. Yeah, we'll see, No, it does, even we'll
Speaker 1: see it does. No, I'm saying we'll see if he's
Speaker 1: back and the Dodgers are guaranteed to get a starting
Speaker 1: pitcher the day. Oh yeah, no, they are going to
Speaker 1: win the World Series. It's not me saying no. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying if they if they take this exact version
Speaker 1: that exists on July twenty second, with no show hal
Speaker 1: Tony pitching, I don't think it's so. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's free. Do you do you remember the rotation they
Speaker 1: won with in twenty twenty four. Yeah, but their offense
Speaker 1: was a juggernaut.
Speaker 2: I think when they're going gets tough, this offense will
Speaker 2: straight towards juggernaut again. Like Max Montsy is so good
Speaker 2: still somehow god like at some point Taskar and Kyle
Speaker 2: Tucker will be like activated the sleeper cells inside of
Speaker 2: them as we was a dick.
Speaker 1: Why did nobody hate him? I think they hate Dalton Rushing.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think that's gonna be best friends,
Speaker 2: like Bill Smith isn't even playing right now, and like
Speaker 2: Dalton Rushing is gonna get to mix in as like
Speaker 2: a mixing match guy. Once the team goes on a
Speaker 2: run the playoffs, like they're just so good. They are
Speaker 2: so good, they're ridiculously good.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm trying to do anything different than just
Speaker 1: say it's the Dodgers. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think the one thing that's funny about
Speaker 2: the Dodgers is we start to talk more about labor stuff,
Speaker 2: and like, oh, there's no paroy in baseballok at the
Speaker 2: pair of the only other sports. I think if Shoho
Speaker 2: Tony was never born, there's still be tons of parody
Speaker 2: in baseball.
Speaker 1: I think more so.
Speaker 2: In the Dodgers spending all this money is in the
Speaker 2: fact that they have the best baseball player ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you had out don't know, let's say,
Speaker 1: in football, the best quarterback and then also the best
Speaker 1: defensive end, it probably changed that it's the same guy.
Speaker 1: I think that would help out your roster a lot.
Speaker 2: I think today's university of a tiny's major league debut.
Speaker 2: That can't possibly No, it's not. He started opening day.
Speaker 2: Why does he have exactly eight years of service time?
Speaker 2: Then I guess that's injuries.
Speaker 1: Injuries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the exactly eight years. You've never seen eight point
Speaker 2: zero zero zero on a fangrass.
Speaker 1: Service time, service time on Baseball Reference and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. At this point, for like, it's like,
Speaker 1: what does that even do? That's tight. And I think
Speaker 1: the other thing that Mets fans really have to watch out.
Speaker 2: For again pick star for Nolan McLain on Saturday. The
Speaker 2: Mets more so than anything, we need Nolan McLain to
Speaker 2: win Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: Yeah so badly.
Speaker 2: I'm really gonna push this narrative. We have to do
Speaker 2: our job here because I mean JJ weatherhallt if he
Speaker 2: winds up with a two fifty average and the seven
Speaker 2: four of the ops. I don't know it at home
Speaker 2: runs twenty three steals. That's not Rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're batting average, we know is important.
Speaker 1: I look at batting average and era when I do
Speaker 1: my Rookies of the Year, And right now Nol McLain
Speaker 1: is a better ra than JJ weatherholl has bad average
Speaker 1: by a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's knife and closes out of the camera finally
Speaker 2: went off. That should that should almost call it.
Speaker 1: That's a signal, thank you much for watching. Let me
Speaker 1: get let me get FRANKI Peppers. Oh yeah, get Frankie
Speaker 1: Pepper's philibuster, uh, philibuster. JJ weatherhol is a really good player,
Speaker 1: though I think you guys know that I I uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's gonna be tough although his numbers
Speaker 1: are falling though he is. You can't have a seven
Speaker 1: fifty oh ps and win the Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: over Noel McLain. Also, what's what JJ aj Ewing's ops? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's seven sixty six aj Ewing Because right now JJ
Speaker 1: Weatherhole has about four hundred plate appearances, about four war.
Speaker 1: Aj Ewing has about two hundred and twenty five, two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty played appearances, two and a half war.
Speaker 1: If we're talking about value, aj Ewing currently is pacing
Speaker 1: for more value than JJ Weatherhol that's something to considered too.
Speaker 2: I happen to me, JJ Weatherhill doesn't even look like
Speaker 2: you should be top Like we're going second base defense
Speaker 2: for top five top rookid of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if he could play center field, that'd
Speaker 1: be a different story.
Speaker 2: No, I mean saying second base is premium now because
Speaker 2: the way we've gotten rid of the shift.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a long way.
Speaker 2: To go with his Rookie of the Year race, and
Speaker 2: it would matter so much to the Mesican compic. But
Speaker 2: where's Frankie Pepper's also before Frankie Pepper's. I want to
Speaker 2: tell you guys, Mark and I just want to find
Speaker 2: ways to like engage with you guys by the end
Speaker 2: of the season, and we're still gonna go to a
Speaker 2: bunch of met games. So if you guys are done
Speaker 2: with this team and don't want to go to the ballpark,
Speaker 2: I respect that decision. If you guys do want to
Speaker 2: go to the game's rest of way, what I.
Speaker 1: Forgot to tell you, I got my email about canceling
Speaker 1: the season tickets. You gotta see what they're doing for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season because they know it is
Speaker 1: going to be empty. Oh say yeah, let me let
Speaker 1: me load it up real quick. You say what you
Speaker 1: were going to though.
Speaker 2: But we want to do some kinds of community mess
Speaker 2: up community engagement events at City Field.
Speaker 1: Like we were gonna sit in like section five thirty,
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna like bring food. Yes, like we're
Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirts and we'll pull you guys.
Speaker 2: You guys, let us know in the commas what you
Speaker 2: like something like a Hawaiian shirt night or Buddy Ernie
Speaker 2: said he wanted to go to a game in a suit, yeah, which,
Speaker 2: like we all go to the games and suits I
Speaker 2: think will be funny.
Speaker 1: And the woman in formal wear dresses like like black
Speaker 1: tigh optional Mets game is funny. Yeah. Mark had that,
Speaker 1: Like we all sit again like in the four hundreds
Speaker 1: or five hundreds, and everybody brings a rotissary chicken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we just.
Speaker 2: Have ro tissary chicken eat off like on the picnic
Speaker 2: tables behind home plate in the upper deck. Weird weird
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I think we're gonna organize a
Speaker 2: lot of this through the met Stuff Discord. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna put the link to join the met Stuff Discord
Speaker 2: in the description for this episode audio version and video version.
Speaker 2: And if you guys don't have Discord or don't know
Speaker 2: how to do discord, but you want to engage in
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Speaker 2: as possible. Eve though a lot of them get you know,
Speaker 2: trapped in the in the in the abyss of sex robots,
Speaker 2: So just yeah, just try try a few times. Maybe
Speaker 2: then it'll actually get to our primary folders, not the
Speaker 2: spam where they all go usually.
Speaker 1: I ever think we'd say sex robots on the podcast.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a new one. It's just insane. When
Speaker 1: you like how many of these dms come through, you're like,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. Okay, So I got my thing that
Speaker 1: the ticket window to cancel opens on Friday, which is electric.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, when does it end? I just want
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them sweat a little bit. But they're
Speaker 1: introducing new things before the end of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six season. We're offering an exclusive season ticket member benefit
Speaker 1: twenty percent discount on food, beverage, and twenty percent discount
Speaker 1: on all retail purchases. Honestly, just kind of a good deal.
Speaker 1: Save me twenty bucks on twenty percent on all that,
Speaker 1: my fifteen dollars beer becomes like twelve bucks. It's a
Speaker 1: little bit better. Plus, every ticket for the remaining regular
Speaker 1: season home games this year, including each ticket in your
Speaker 1: membership plan, comes with ten dollars in free money to
Speaker 1: spend every single game. The Mets are literally going to
Speaker 1: give you if you have a ticket to a game.
Speaker 1: And this for everybody out there, make sure you use
Speaker 1: the ten dollars amazing fan reward toward food, beverages or
Speaker 1: merchandise at city Field. They're giving away free money. Use it,
Speaker 1: cash it in, do everything you can again, maybe even
Speaker 1: just don't get the tickets for next season. Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting those. Although my seats I saw like
Speaker 1: an ad or something like that. Apparently the guy filmed
Speaker 1: the ad in my seats, like literally at where my
Speaker 1: seats are. I'm like, go, if I was at the game,
Speaker 1: I would have gotten in there. You picked a good seat.
Speaker 1: It's just bad team. If anybody wants Dodgers ticket, hit
Speaker 1: me up. I am not going to that one, and
Speaker 1: I'm cashing in on those now. You'll do a nice
Speaker 1: litt summer weekend. But got Frankie Peppers. Frankie Peppers, here.
Speaker 3: We go, gentlemen, this is Frankie Peppersay knowing for a
Speaker 3: team that uses artificial intelligence eight I as much as
Speaker 3: the Mets, though they're pretty stupid. I don't think Zach
Speaker 3: Thorne used any AI in his beautiful while pitching yesterday
Speaker 3: on Tuesday. Good for him, Good for that, young man.
Speaker 3: Tell me a favorite way my hot takers don't use
Speaker 3: AI to think. Tell me about your favorite time that
Speaker 3: you didn't use AI. Okay, gentlemen, thank you, let's go. Mets.
Speaker 3: Take care boys.
Speaker 1: My favorite time I didn't use AI to get my
Speaker 1: college degree. AI was not existing when we got our degrees.
Speaker 1: That's my proudest non AI moment. Yeah, thank god. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that it really was good to this new generation.
Speaker 2: They don't know the rush of like eleven fifteen, you guys,
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty words right by twelve.
Speaker 1: Because I promise you, if it existed, I would have
Speaker 1: been using it. Yeah, I mean, I mean we use quizling.
Speaker 2: I remember my dad like a master's degree lately, and
Speaker 2: he learned about quzzling.
Speaker 1: He was like this, thank guys, sitting exist went. I
Speaker 1: was like, student it rocks quizzling. Yeah, because it was great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, AI really happen. Not to use for education,
Speaker 1: really happy not to use it for all the actual
Speaker 1: writing I do. Yeah, you actually write.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these sports websites are gonna
Speaker 2: get caught using tons of AI and flaying off a
Speaker 2: lot of actual people, which is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1: But that's just the way it's going. Sadly, it's called talent, James.
Speaker 1: That's what we got over here. Thank you guys for watching,
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