WEBVTT - He Stayed a Dude

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong, Joe Jetty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm strong and Jetty and he armstrong and Yetty.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you worried that this strike is going to hurt

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<v Speaker 3>the everyday American? The farmers that need to read. They

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<v Speaker 3>reached the export market. They're telling me that they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>hurt them.

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<v Speaker 4>You start to realize who the long Shormen are, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody can.

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<v Speaker 4>People never gave a shout us until now when they

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<v Speaker 4>finally realize that the chain is being broke. Now, cars

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<v Speaker 4>won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't come in.

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<v Speaker 4>You know how many people depend on odd jobs half

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<v Speaker 4>the world, and it's time for them and time for

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<v Speaker 4>Washington to put so much fresh on them to take

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<v Speaker 4>care of us, because we took care of them and

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<v Speaker 4>we're here at in thirty five years. It brought tom

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<v Speaker 4>where they are today, and they don't want to share.

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<v Speaker 5>So it doesn't sound at all like a guy who'd

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<v Speaker 5>crack your head open. That's the leader of the Long Showman.

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<v Speaker 5>That's Harold Jay Daggett, the leader of the union.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but that's the leader of the union.

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<v Speaker 6>That's not just some rank and file guys don't give

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<v Speaker 6>a us about us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the guy in charge.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's not just a guy who will break open

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<v Speaker 5>the head of a scab.

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<v Speaker 1>He ses the head of the union.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I realize I risk getting my teeth kicked in by

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<v Speaker 6>saying this, But so often when I hear from the

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<v Speaker 6>big unions, I think you sound like thugs. You sound

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<v Speaker 6>like people that have gotten your way for so long,

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<v Speaker 6>and you're so entitled, you feel like you deserve a

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<v Speaker 6>way better deal than anybody else in America gets for

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<v Speaker 6>their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're willing to have leverage and you're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>be violent for it.

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<v Speaker 6>And oh, by the way, regularly these big unions, it

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<v Speaker 6>turns out the people at the top are crooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>Not saying that this guy is, but it happens all

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<v Speaker 6>the time with the United Auto Workers, for instance.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, here's say headline from Yahu News, no notable conservative

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<v Speaker 5>outlet Harold Daggett, how union leader who fought mob tie

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<v Speaker 5>allegations is holding the US economy for ransom.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocking. I think we would be buried the leading case.

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<v Speaker 6>You're not paying attention and Only Fox is really covering

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<v Speaker 6>this story. The longshoreman went on strike last night, forty

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<v Speaker 6>five thousand members of this and it's going to cost

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<v Speaker 6>the economy about five billion dollars a day, which is

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<v Speaker 6>not a ton in our economy. But the whole supply

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<v Speaker 6>chain thing could get out of whack really really fast,

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<v Speaker 6>and then it would be a full on political issue.

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<v Speaker 5>Port employers, pressed by Biden administration officials to resolve the impass,

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<v Speaker 5>raised their offer on wages to a fifty percent increase

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<v Speaker 5>over six years from an earlier forty percent increase, along

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<v Speaker 5>with other improvements and benefits, in the twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 5>before the strike deadline that was rejected. The International long

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<v Speaker 5>Shorman's Association is seeking a seventy seven percent wage increase

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<v Speaker 5>over six years as a condition to sit down to talks.

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<v Speaker 5>You come up with seventy seven percent or we're not

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<v Speaker 5>even discussing anything. Well, you think you're gonna get any

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<v Speaker 5>sympathy from the average person out there who has taken

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<v Speaker 5>a fifteen to thirty percent cut depending on your lifestyle

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<v Speaker 5>because of inflation, and they're wanting They're not even gonna

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<v Speaker 5>sit down unless they get a seventy someeven percent increase.

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<v Speaker 5>The main sticking issue is they're saying, no automation. You

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<v Speaker 5>get to rule out the idea of any automation. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't care about AI or robots or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's insane, that's absolutely insane. That's just that's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't compete as a country against the rest of

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<v Speaker 6>the world if you're gonna still unload trucks by hand

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<v Speaker 6>when everybody else is doing it automatically, much faster, much cheaper.

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<v Speaker 6>So yesterday Joe Biden was asked, mister President, will you

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<v Speaker 6>intervene in the dock workers strike if they go on

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<v Speaker 6>strike on Tuesday, which they did at midnight last night.

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<v Speaker 1>No, said the ancient president.

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<v Speaker 6>Why not because there's no because there's collective bargaining and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't believe in taft Hartly. The response to that,

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<v Speaker 6>by one of my favorite journalists was the irony here

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<v Speaker 6>is at nuclear levels. Biden, who has tried in a

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<v Speaker 6>multitude of ways to illegally use executive power to get

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<v Speaker 6>what he wants, refuses to invoke executive authority where he

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<v Speaker 6>has the statutory right to do so. Taft hardly gives

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<v Speaker 6>the President of the United States in a situation where

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<v Speaker 6>it's going to harm the economy in a general way

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<v Speaker 6>or national security. He can jump in, jump into these

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<v Speaker 6>big strikes and say you got to stay at work

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<v Speaker 6>while we're working out the deal. He has the right

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<v Speaker 6>to do that. But in this case, unlike some stuff

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<v Speaker 6>around the immigration or canceling student loans or a number

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<v Speaker 6>of other things he's been willing to do illegally, he

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<v Speaker 6>has the legal right and is saying no.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, Oh yeah, I can't wait for him to be gone.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming up later, what do immigrants do for government budgets?

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<v Speaker 5>New research has answers. We promised, Yes, we promised that yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't get to it. I apologized. We'll squeeze it

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<v Speaker 1>in this hour.

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<v Speaker 5>This is interesting and not terribly shocking. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 5>when you get down to the granular details, it is

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<v Speaker 5>fairly shocking. But Americans are more reliant than ever on

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<v Speaker 5>government aid. An aging population, economic distress, raised dependence on

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<v Speaker 5>federal and state support, and it matters a hell of

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<v Speaker 5>a lot for our elections. As you might guess. Wall

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<v Speaker 5>Street Journal looking into a major study. This is a

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<v Speaker 5>little graphics heavy, but I can interpret it for you.

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<v Speaker 5>They're talking about the share of personal income from government assistance.

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<v Speaker 5>How in how many counties is it twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 5>or more? In nineteen seventy, government safety net money accounted

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<v Speaker 5>for significant income.

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<v Speaker 1>That's more than twenty five percent.

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<v Speaker 5>Twenty five percent or more in fewer the one percent

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<v Speaker 5>of America's counties. So say that again, in what year

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<v Speaker 5>In nineteen seventy it was less than one percent? Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>In two thousand it went from less than one percent

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<v Speaker 5>to roughly ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the year two than ten percent, which a tenfold

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<v Speaker 1>increase is not minor.

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<v Speaker 5>In the year twenty twenty two, fifty three percent, more

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<v Speaker 5>than half of US counties drew at least a quarter

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<v Speaker 5>of their income from government eight.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is we were talking about this last week,

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<v Speaker 6>and now that it's the average person in the bottom quintile.

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<v Speaker 6>I know this is a lot of complicated talking, but

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<v Speaker 6>the bottom twenty percent of income earners in America get

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<v Speaker 6>on average sixty eight thousand dollars per household of transfer payments.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's left out of every argument about we have

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<v Speaker 6>the highest inequality of any nation in the world. They

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<v Speaker 6>never include this stuff. And what you just talked about there,

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<v Speaker 6>that's never included in these conversations from Bernie Sanders or

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<v Speaker 6>probably Tim Walls tonight in the debate. People live in

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<v Speaker 6>paycheck to paycheck. Well, more people are getting the handouts

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<v Speaker 6>from the government than ever before by a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>And as we've discussed with Craig the healthcare Guru, socialism

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<v Speaker 5>is not a light switch. It's a a fungus oh

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<v Speaker 5>that spreads across a country and it's programmed, crafts benefits

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It starts getting across. There's just no stopping it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So the big reasons for this dramatic growth are interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Some of them I think most conservatives would reject out

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<v Speaker 5>of hand. But it gets a little complicated when you

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<v Speaker 5>dig into it. There are much larger share of Americans

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<v Speaker 5>who are seniors. Period, We're living longer, and we've aged

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<v Speaker 5>as a population, We're not having kids anymore. And healthcare

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<v Speaker 5>raw sorry, healthcare costs have risen fairly dramatically.

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<v Speaker 1>As they've gotten or fantastic.

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<v Speaker 5>The technology we have at our disposal to keep ourselves

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<v Speaker 5>healthy and alive is truly awe inspiring, but it costs.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And as my doctor said last week, what exactly

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<v Speaker 6>is the point?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he wonders.

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<v Speaker 6>Well as we just get you know, our brains don't work,

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<v Speaker 6>our bodies don't work, but we hang around longer at

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<v Speaker 6>a great expense.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Well, it could be the money is the point

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<v Speaker 5>in at least some situations, although it's I understand it's

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<v Speaker 5>an odd conundrum that a person could sit around rubbing

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<v Speaker 5>their chin thinking about for a long time. You're not

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<v Speaker 5>going to turn down medical advances, Nope, because it's every

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<v Speaker 5>advance is an incremental step. It can lead toward other

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<v Speaker 5>advances or cures or what have you. But at the

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<v Speaker 5>same time you and your doctor are quite right, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>good news. We can keep alzheimer suffering Granny alive for

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<v Speaker 5>one more year. We can stave off or cancer with

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<v Speaker 5>this new gene therapy. Blah blah blah. What are we

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<v Speaker 5>doing here anyway? To get back to the major threat

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<v Speaker 5>of the thing rouni here. At the same time, many communities,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's the aging and the development of medical technology

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<v Speaker 5>number one. At the same time, many communities have suffered

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<v Speaker 5>from economic declient because of the challenges, including the loss

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<v Speaker 5>of manufacturing, leaving government money. Is the larger share of

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<v Speaker 5>people's income in such places. I you know, I could

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<v Speaker 5>bore you to death. I won't because I do this

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<v Speaker 5>for a living and kind of enjoy getting the paycheck.

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<v Speaker 5>But one of the big debates in conservative circles these

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<v Speaker 5>days is the question of the reagan esque free trade

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<v Speaker 5>global economy conservatives versus what's being called the new conservatism

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever you want to call it. And everybody's always

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<v Speaker 5>government conservatism. People call it, yeah, industrial planning, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes people even call it central planning, what have you,

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<v Speaker 5>And are bellowing at each other about it as if

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<v Speaker 5>the solutions and the questions and answers are very simple.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not at all.

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<v Speaker 5>They're trillions of dollars at stake. So I understand why

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<v Speaker 5>the people making lots and lots of money want to

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<v Speaker 5>keep that money flowing. They don't care how much unemployment

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<v Speaker 5>there is in rural Pennsylvania, for instance. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 5>oh oh, and the other point I was going to

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<v Speaker 5>make the side of the new.

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<v Speaker 1>Conservatives.

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<v Speaker 5>Back in Reagan's day, we didn't have the situation where

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<v Speaker 5>our chief global adversary is our one of our chief

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<v Speaker 5>trading partners, technology partners, and practically indispensable to the world economy.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you are pitching free global trade of a

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<v Speaker 5>reaganesque sort. You are pitching continued interaction slash dependence with China,

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<v Speaker 5>which is just a idea. Times have changed, the arguments

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<v Speaker 5>have to change too, So I have sympathy with both sides,

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<v Speaker 5>but it is not simple getting back. I'm sorry, it's

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<v Speaker 5>income that includes spending on programs that Americans pay into,

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<v Speaker 5>such as Medicare and Social Security. Another major government health program, Medicaid.

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<v Speaker 1>Is counted.

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<v Speaker 5>The analysis also includes unemployment insurance, food stamps, the Earned

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<v Speaker 5>Income Tax Credit, veterans benefits, PELL grants, COVID era payments,

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<v Speaker 5>and other income supports. States help pay for some of

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<v Speaker 5>these programs, like Medicaid, but the federal government covers the

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<v Speaker 5>roughly seventy seventy percent of the cost, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>include other ways government spending floods into corners of America,

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<v Speaker 5>such as farm subsidies or military bases. So this spending

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<v Speaker 5>accounts for big and growing share of not only the

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<v Speaker 5>income of the nation, but also our national debt. We

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<v Speaker 5>are addicted to government spending slash social programs as a country.

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<v Speaker 6>There's there's no weaning off that either. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 6>in no backwards. I don't think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 5>No, but you do have to be honest about the

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<v Speaker 5>dollars and cents coming and going, and we're headed for

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<v Speaker 5>a cliff.

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<v Speaker 6>So we went from one percent nineteen seventy to over

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<v Speaker 6>half now correct.

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<v Speaker 1>That's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 6>Not very many people could tell you that, and it

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<v Speaker 6>won't be a topic tonight in the debate either.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with us. You're like a rare at the live

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<v Speaker 1>the thing a lap.

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<v Speaker 5>He made bull the dugout Davy can supt beyond Pollock,

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<v Speaker 5>blub way by Pitcher dug the pilla.

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<v Speaker 6>Wait a second, So Pete Rose baseball player, greatest hitter

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<v Speaker 6>of all time, all time leader in a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of things, hits at bats, doubles, just all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>But why did that clip from nineteen seventy eight sound

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<v Speaker 6>like it was from nineteen thirty nine. I was alive

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<v Speaker 6>in nineteen seventy eight. That's not what audio sounded like

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<v Speaker 6>in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 5>It sounds like he was recorded off of a transistor radio.

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<v Speaker 6>Or they went out of their way to make it

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<v Speaker 6>sound old timy. It doesn't need to sound like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Things sounded much like they do now in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 6>But oh, so this thing. So Pete Rose died yesterday.

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<v Speaker 6>He got banned from baseball. If you know this at all,

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<v Speaker 6>you know this. He was the biggest star in the sport.

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<v Speaker 6>Then he got banned for gambling. When he became a manager,

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<v Speaker 6>never bet against his team.

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<v Speaker 1>He claims. He always bet for his team because if.

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<v Speaker 5>You're better how he lied about everything all the time,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's difficult to say.

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<v Speaker 6>And he never admitted it, but I guess he finally

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<v Speaker 6>did admit it at one point to Charlie Gibson, and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't remember this because I didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, you're now saying for the first time publicly, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet on baseball. I've bet on baseball in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven, in nineteen eighty eight, did you bet on

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<v Speaker 2>your own team?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever believe in my team?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I knew my team.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever bet against your No, No, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be uh, that'd be the last thing I'd ever even

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<v Speaker 2>even consider.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe that too. I think he's too competitive. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>he was competitive to the point of mental illness. And

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<v Speaker 6>I just there's no way he would bet against him

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<v Speaker 6>or his team.

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<v Speaker 5>He was one of the most driven human beings who's

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<v Speaker 5>ever played sports, and everybody's driven in sports.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and he was the manager of the team at

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<v Speaker 6>the time, player manager for a while then just manager.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's no way he's going to bet against himself.

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<v Speaker 6>He's just not that kind of person. Yeah, But uh,

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<v Speaker 6>he was trying to get back into the good graces

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<v Speaker 6>of baseball when he admitted it, right, so he could

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<v Speaker 6>be in the Hall of Fame while he was alive.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, he was trying to meet him halfway, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>confess his sins and get some measure of forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 6>Also interesting that he was a giant star back at

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<v Speaker 6>a time when you made good money.

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<v Speaker 1>But not insane money. So he needed money.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, whereas you know, you're that level of star now

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<v Speaker 6>and you're so incredibly wealthy, he wouldn't. Okay, kick me

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<v Speaker 6>out of the Hall of Fame or whatever. I'm worth

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<v Speaker 6>a half a billion dollars. Yeah, you do one significant contract. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you're you're set for life and sorry your kids plus endorsement.

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<v Speaker 1>That whole world has changed so much. Yeah, yeah, he had.

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<v Speaker 6>He had an odd haircut throughout most of his career too.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a haircut of like a bowl haircut, the

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Valiant. Yeah, Chris Jenner, right right, Well you get

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<v Speaker 1>at least Pete's stated, dude. Anyway, Hey, hey, I fight

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<v Speaker 1>for team dude. All right. I love women, I treasure women,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm on team dude.

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<v Speaker 6>That's your expert support analysis at least, he stated.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you hate it when one of your best dudes

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<v Speaker 5>changes teams, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>So we'll get to a little bit later this hour.

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<v Speaker 6>There's more info coming out. US officials say they have

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<v Speaker 6>knowledge of an imminent attack Iran is planning on Israel

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<v Speaker 6>ballistic missiles. The latest is that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 6>similar to what happened back in April that was a

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<v Speaker 6>big attack that it took an awful lot of technology

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<v Speaker 6>in different countries to work together to thwart. So this

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<v Speaker 6>could be happening, Well, it means, immin it could be happening.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to and I'm anxious to hear what Mike

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<v Speaker 5>has to say about what Israel is going to do

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<v Speaker 5>next with Hesbelan how much this means to the region.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick look back at baseball.

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<v Speaker 5>Was just made aware of a me that's going around

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<v Speaker 5>showing Pete Rose and then show Hey Otani the memes

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<v Speaker 5>saying Pete Rose should have had an interpreter.

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<v Speaker 6>Ah, you don't think that wasn't me?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was my interpreter over there.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't think show Hayes Betten, do you? I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think he is, probably not. That's pretty funny joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, Armstrong and Geeddy.

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<v Speaker 6>So if you're into following hotspots around the world and

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<v Speaker 6>knowing what's going on on a moment by moment basis,

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<v Speaker 6>one of the best sites out there is osint defender.

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<v Speaker 6>That's open source intelligence, which is followed by lots of

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<v Speaker 6>smart people Barrywise, Tim Sandifer and Mike Lyons who were

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<v Speaker 6>about to talk to and this is.

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<v Speaker 1>What they say about today's news.

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<v Speaker 6>US officials have stated that the Iranian attack against Israel

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<v Speaker 6>will most likely begin in the next twelve to twenty

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<v Speaker 6>four hours, involving hundreds of long rage ballistic missiles, as

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<v Speaker 6>well as drones and cruise missiles launched against both military

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<v Speaker 6>and intelligence to targets. Great Scott, sounds like quite an attack.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's discuss that and other developments in the region. We

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<v Speaker 6>seeing a military analyst, Mike Lyons who joins US now. Mike,

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<v Speaker 6>how are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Monny, guys, great to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, what's your reaction to those headlines?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be a little cynical here, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is sounding like an Israeli id FOP. Why would the

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<v Speaker 2>White House announce this? Why I'm not following this on

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<v Speaker 2>some level, Why would the Why would they come out

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<v Speaker 2>and say the level of attack is going to be that?

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<v Speaker 6>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand it. It's almost to the point

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<v Speaker 2>are they trying to Maybe they're prepping forces there, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that they should be somewhat silent about.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a back channel to Iran? We you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the senior wide of official. I'm looking at the Water

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<v Speaker 2>Journal article says, a direct military attack from Rand against

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<v Speaker 2>Israel Carrie severe consequences for a rant. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what that's that's what this is. It's it's that

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<v Speaker 2>level of messaging. And now we're now hit deep in it.

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<v Speaker 2>If we know this is going on, if this is

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<v Speaker 2>what's what's happening here, this is what We're past the

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<v Speaker 2>point of something that we're able to get out of

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<v Speaker 2>here peacefully. This is not good on a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different levels. And I'm just really concerned that the United

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<v Speaker 2>States decided to make this statement here. It might be true,

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<v Speaker 2>it might not be true, but why the United States

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<v Speaker 2>would put this out to me, seems like something that

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<v Speaker 2>Israel would wanted us to do, and I'm just not

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<v Speaker 2>getting it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it certainly runs if if what you're saying is correct.

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<v Speaker 6>It certainly runs counter to the things Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 6>the Secretary of State have been saying out loud, which

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<v Speaker 6>is all about ceasfire, ceasefires, ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel don't go.

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<v Speaker 2>In, yeah, I mean, they can't get off a plane

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<v Speaker 2>fast enough in the Middle East. And the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that Anthony Lincoln says is we want to cease fire,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want we want to de escalate situations. This

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<v Speaker 2>comment is basically now an active war saying if you

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<v Speaker 2>attack Israel, We're going to do something back at you.

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<v Speaker 2>So again the whift song back and forth that the

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<v Speaker 2>administration has has been somewhat troubling to begin with. It

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<v Speaker 2>just goes back to there's not a consistency within this messaging.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, Israel's not a warfitting, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got minor incourasions now into Lebanon. There stated military

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<v Speaker 2>objective is to move sixty thousand people back into the north,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're not then I'll call two bar artillery range

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<v Speaker 2>and that's within let's say twenty to thirty five kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>from the border. They're always going to be subject to

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<v Speaker 2>the long range strategic missiles and that's what iron domes

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<v Speaker 2>for and all those other things. But going after the

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of heads blood, now, you know, Iran is very exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only thing I'm thinking is that Uranians, the

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis are going, you know what, we definitely this is

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<v Speaker 2>the time for more. This is the time to destroy

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<v Speaker 2>that nuclear capability. There's no better, no better time to

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<v Speaker 2>do it than now. And that may be why I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're leaning in that direction, but the United States

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get dragged into this.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like, wow, Well, putting aside the confusing announcement

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<v Speaker 5>and the muddled and inconsistent foreign policy of the Biden

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<v Speaker 5>administration which has left US muddled and confused, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>The Wall Street Journal editorial board also calling for the

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<v Speaker 5>US to seize the moment, put Iran and its proxies

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<v Speaker 5>on the defensive. But they're talking about, you know, beating

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<v Speaker 5>the hell out of the Houthis and Yemen, who, to

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<v Speaker 5>my mind, the United States has been incredibly hesitant to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do anything about.

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<v Speaker 5>But right, well, why don't we talk about that for

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<v Speaker 5>a minute, then we can talk about attacking.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Yeah, I mean, the Houthi's been firing

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the other day a couple dozen missiles, and

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<v Speaker 2>my sources of the Navy telling me that they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot them down and they're working there. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the Hoothi's fire at a drone is raelly drone. And

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<v Speaker 2>what do the Israelis do? They turn around and destroy

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<v Speaker 2>a petroleum plant in Yemen. So it just gets back

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<v Speaker 2>to there's a lot of mis signals with regard to

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<v Speaker 2>what exacts our postures and if our answers, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around and start hammering people. It's all coming

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<v Speaker 2>from the sky, my spear of this whole thing. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>is this overreach that ends up happening. The same confidence

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<v Speaker 2>that Vladimir Putin had about taking Ukraine three days, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis might think it's the same thing. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do here and destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities in

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<v Speaker 2>three days. And this over confidence, that's the thing I'm

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about. Given right now that they've taken out the

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<v Speaker 2>hes blog leadership, they've taken out those second third team levels,

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<v Speaker 2>let that kind of let's take a moment see where

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<v Speaker 2>that actually goes. And then maybe four the United States

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<v Speaker 2>to focus back on who's these focus back on what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening there as it continues to impeach shipping lanes across

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East and within the Red Sea.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we won't even get into because who knows who's

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<v Speaker 6>actually making these decisions. I don't know at what moments

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<v Speaker 6>and during the day Joe Biden's capable of making these decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Some days I'm sure he's times some days I think

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<v Speaker 1>he is. But some days I'm sure he's not. So

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<v Speaker 1>you got that issue out there.

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<v Speaker 6>But is there ever going to be a better time

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<v Speaker 6>for Israel to try to take out the nuclear program

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<v Speaker 6>in Iran than now?

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I think that's what their calculation is. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's exactly right as they They've done it in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. They took out you know, OSRIC and eighty one,

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<v Speaker 2>they took out the capability there than this in Syria.

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 2>They've taken it out before in Iraq. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that there's a better time for it. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was, if I was the military advisor to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the Prime Minsiter, I'd say, if we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it now at the time, I mean last

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<v Speaker 2>time when they fired back, when Iran fired three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>missiles our way. Uh, they basically put a posted note

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<v Speaker 2>on where the nuclear facilities was because they attacked the town,

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't attack the facility itself. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a difficult mission though, it's not going to once

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<v Speaker 2>again get rid of the program, and we'll set it back,

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<v Speaker 2>which is all all that's really happening is this is

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<v Speaker 2>these attacks. Set back has bled, they set back well,

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:57.919
<v Speaker 2>God's I think is different I think Hamas has been

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 2>pretty much stripped of all capability there there there, they

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<v Speaker 2>would have a very difficult time in the army. But

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Hesbela is still different because of the amount of weapons

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>they have and the amount of support they've gotten from Iran.

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 2>They've been Iran's proxy jewel for the last twenty years,

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>built specifically to do nothing but antagonized Israel. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is where Israel said we've had enough and this is

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<v Speaker 2>why they're going to try to destroy them. So Iran's

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<v Speaker 2>explosed and now the time to do it well.

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<v Speaker 5>And from the Israeli point of view, if Harris were

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<v Speaker 5>winning to win the election, the lack of support would continue,

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<v Speaker 5>and if Trump were to get elected, they would get

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<v Speaker 5>a high five for having done what they did. So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see any reason to hesitate and wait for

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<v Speaker 5>the US to come along. Hey, I want to go

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<v Speaker 5>back to the Hesbela and their impressive arms, which we've

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<v Speaker 5>talked about through the recent months. We've talked with you

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<v Speaker 5>in the past about decapitation operations, you know, taking out leadership,

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 5>but I mean this took out some of the key

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<v Speaker 5>leadership and two levels below them.

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<v Speaker 1>Has Bolas got to be an utter disarray right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one thing to take out the one guy that's

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the answers the phone and whatever and gets

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 2>blown up. But it's right, they've taken out multiple levels

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 2>of command and control within within has a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you saw those pictures on CNN of the attack

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<v Speaker 2>where they were, you know, they just didn't take out

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 2>the top ten guys there. They took out their staff,

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>They took out all the other people that all the communications,

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the entire the casualties from that attack are

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<v Speaker 2>have to be off the charts. And so yeah, there

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 2>as they try to scramble, and again let's take a

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<v Speaker 2>moment here and see what exactly comes of it, which

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>is why Israel wants to take advantage of it right now,

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<v Speaker 2>given the fact that lines of communications are cut within

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>within Lebanon from there and Iran is very much exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's maybe small little militia groups that could go

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<v Speaker 2>after you know, US forces maybe in certain places, but

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>everything right now is very strategic over the horizon because again,

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>if you look at a map, there's no other allies

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Ron has to go to war against Israel. All these

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.120
<v Speaker 2>other Arab entries don't have they don't have any military.

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to Gypsians aren't going to talk to

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Jordanians aren't going to There's no If this was forty

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>years ago, yeah, the Syrians had a military and there

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>was that capability, but that doesn't exist anymore. It's just

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>a Ron versus Israel at this point, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to come down to hooplinks first. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>So if they're going to try to take out the

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<v Speaker 6>nuclear facilities in Iran, they would use the same method

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<v Speaker 6>they used to take out the leader Hesblo, wouldn't they

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<v Speaker 6>Just the succession of those two thousand pounds bombs until

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<v Speaker 6>you finally get far enough underground.

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<v Speaker 2>It's likely what they would do. The program is very

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<v Speaker 2>much spread out, though it's dispersed. They would have eleven

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 2>or twelve targets there would They would take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>a very weak Iranian air defense system that is completely aged,

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been upgraded, hasn't hasn't had any kind of advances

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<v Speaker 2>to it, So they would have that going for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually they wouldn't get it all. But that's likely

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<v Speaker 2>what it would be. I think it's about eleven or

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<v Speaker 2>twelve targets, so to speak. The place where they attacked

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>last time was probably the most important place. That's where

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>uranium is enriched. Right, three levels of creating a nuclear bomb.

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, mine it, enrich it, and then you obviously

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>create the bomb. The enrichment is the key part of it.

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 2>If they can take out that plan close to fourdoh,

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what it's called, that would be very significant,

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>setting their program back.

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<v Speaker 5>I know this sort of prediction making is silly, but

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<v Speaker 5>in your mind, is it at one out of ten

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<v Speaker 5>prospect that the Israelis do it, nine out of ten

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere in between?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say six, six out of ten. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to depend on the next forty eight hours, what

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<v Speaker 2>the what the Uranians do. If they don't follow through

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>with this attack that we're saying is going to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it doesn't give Israel cause to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel won't necessarily preemptively strike just yet, as they've done

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<v Speaker 2>in the past. Israel has preemptively struck its enemies in

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the past, but it's going to if they do strike.

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>If the Iranians do strike, well, then that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>open the door for or Israel to respond back, and

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it'll be a Tehrana. It'll be at this nuclear capability,

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick exit question before we think and.

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<v Speaker 2>When we're saying in the United States forms is now

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<v Speaker 2>part of this because they'll will provide air defense systems

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>of anything. That's eventually, once a round figures out it's

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>getting attacked, it's going to start unleashing its missiles. The

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>US will be hip deep in it to trying to

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>defend Israel at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, quick exit question a different topic before we

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<v Speaker 5>let you go, Mike. Given the lack of change, certainly

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<v Speaker 5>for the Ukrainian side on the battlefield of late how

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<v Speaker 5>soon do you expect to see serious negotiations for a

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<v Speaker 5>peace deal taking place?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Russia seems to be digging in. Saw a report

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<v Speaker 2>that said they want to fight this until twenty twenty six.

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's going to take a negotiator to come in and

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<v Speaker 2>see what Ukraine is willing to give up. As Russia

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>continues to grind away and get the rest of Europe involved.

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine did taking that land in a few months back.

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Now it's going back in a couple of months. It

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't really made a difference with regards to Russia's calculation.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>They still have more capacity, capability, and they can still

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty much do what they want. They could

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>grind Ukraine down. The question is whether Ukraine would be

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>willing to give up those areas in the Dombas and Crimea.

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<v Speaker 2>The number one thing that Russia wants is Crimea. They

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>want complete control over its about to pull. They want

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>complete control over that of the back sea, and that

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>gives them a one more report. They have to have it.

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<v Speaker 6>We keep asking you more questions when we tell you

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<v Speaker 6>you're done. So I don't know if you saw this.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't see it till yesterday. Apparently Trump told a

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 6>reporter recently, and he reiterated it yesterday that his deal

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 6>with Putin is going to be here's the deal, and

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<v Speaker 6>if you don't take it, I'm going to give Ukraine

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 6>whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah again that so that means, yeah, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty amazing. But I'm not sure the deal that

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>would be. Well, So the question is whether the Ukrainians

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>would give would want the deal, because that deal involves

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>giving up land. The question about it, right, so whether

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine agrees with it remains to be seen. That might

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>be true, but but Ukraine might not be willing to

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>take their side of the deal. That's the only thing

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I could think of for that one.

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 5>CNN military analyst Mike lyons, Mike, thanks so much for

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 5>the time and and the thoughts, and we'll talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, I think for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, of course. Wow, that's something.

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<v Speaker 6>So in the eighty one, monockem Began was Prime Minister

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 6>at the time and he bombed the but Jesus out

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 6>of their nuclear facilities or they would have gotten a

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 6>bomb way way back then, and we went nuts over

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 6>it in public. Eventually gave him a medal years later

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 6>for doing what he did. So what the administration says

0:31:53.600 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 6>out loud about Israel going aps is not necessarily what

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 6>we think, right.

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 5>And they're terrible at their jobs, so it is difficult

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 5>to assess what they're doing and what they mean and

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 5>what they don't need. You mean the White House, yes, boy,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 5>this is their their whole foreign policy team. So this

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 5>is the level of attack that Open Sources reporting on.

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 5>And then Mike Client says, well, we got to be

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 5>in it because we're providing the air support to make

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<v Speaker 5>this whole thing go away, Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 1>This next twenty four or forty eight hours could be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 5>And not because J. D. Vance is wrestling with the

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<v Speaker 5>old coach on TV tonight talking about cat ladies and whatnot.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 5>Cat eaton the whole debate.

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<v Speaker 6>If it happens before the debate, the whole debate, half

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 6>the debate could be about this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's entirely possible. Yes, heck of a thing.

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<v Speaker 6>What are your thoughts text line four one five two

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<v Speaker 6>nine five k FDC.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the polling, you know, I don't. I

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>don't believe any of the polls. I don't believe the

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:09.959
<v Speaker 1>polls that I like. I don't believe the polls I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like.

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<v Speaker 6>That's Charlie Hurt of Washington Examiner. Doesn't believe the poles

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 6>he likes, doesn't believe the polls you don't like. Who

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 6>knows how accurate the polls are, But we got a tied.

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<v Speaker 1>Racing all of them. Okay, okay, okay. We have a

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>debate tonight between the vice presidential candidates, which I don't

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>think in the history of debates has ever moved the

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<v Speaker 1>needle at all. I keep seeing.

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<v Speaker 5>Will it entertain me? Is my only question? And I

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<v Speaker 5>think it will on one level or enough for ninety minutes.

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<v Speaker 7>No, no, no, I predict at the very end of

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<v Speaker 7>the debate, they could all just sit there scrolling through

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 7>their phones and nobody would notice because there'll be nobody

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 7>watching the last half hour.

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<v Speaker 5>Margaret Brennan could just say to JD, Hey, do you

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<v Speaker 5>see this about Pete Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>In a little two feet chat.

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<v Speaker 6>An hour in Margaret Brennan could say, Okay, I just

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 6>got the word from the producers. There's nobody currently watching.

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 6>We have the datus, so let's just let's just hang

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 6>out here until the end. You start scrolling through your phone.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I can put my legs back behind the

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<v Speaker 5>desk because there's nobody looking at them.

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<v Speaker 6>That is something the modern news show where the women

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 6>wear super short skirts, but they gotta have a glass

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 6>desk and a high stool so that their legs can show. Yes,

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 6>he wouldn't have thought we'd have gone that direction in

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 6>the modern world. I got Harry legs. My point was

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<v Speaker 6>going to be, if you haven't heard this, CBS announced

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 6>that Margaret Brennan will not be doing fact checking. They're

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 6>gonna leave the fact checking up to the candidates, which

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:55.280
<v Speaker 6>is what a debate is. So it's interesting that they're

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<v Speaker 6>having to step out a line to get back in

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 6>line with what debates are. That's the whole point of

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<v Speaker 6>a debate is the two candidates argue with each other

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<v Speaker 6>and present different facts.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you hear that, David Muir, hope you choke

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<v Speaker 5>on your kale shake in.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 6>Terms as opposed to the moderators jumping in with their

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 6>facts randomly, uh uh and not accurately. I had another point.

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<v Speaker 6>What was the point do oh? It just came across this.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if this will come out in the

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<v Speaker 6>debate tonight. The Harris price fixing campaign and all that

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 6>sort of stuff. The economy's got to be part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the number one issue in America. Gallup poll just

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<v Speaker 6>out more Americans give a negative view of grocery stores

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<v Speaker 6>than a positive view for the first time since Gallup

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<v Speaker 6>started asking about this many many decades ago. How would

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<v Speaker 6>a majority of Americans have a negative view of grocery stores.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they do for the first.

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<v Speaker 6>Time ever because of Kamala Harrison, Joe Biden coming out

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<v Speaker 6>and saying it's the grocery stores that are screwing you.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why the price of price of bacon is so high,

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<v Speaker 6>That's why eggs are so high. The grocery stores are

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<v Speaker 6>just greedy bastards stealing from you, and it drove down

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<v Speaker 6>their positive ratings.

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<v Speaker 5>There is no limit to the dishonesty in politics. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean that's stating the obvious, but I mean they will

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<v Speaker 5>lie about everything.

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<v Speaker 6>And in this case it worked unbelievable. That sort of

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<v Speaker 6>stuff polls well. Price fixing, rent control, claiming you're being

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<v Speaker 6>gouged really polls well.

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<v Speaker 1>I stand up for the humble grocery store.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't care who's with me and who's against me.

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<v Speaker 5>You can get a cucumber over there, yogurt over there,

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<v Speaker 5>A delicious chunk of meat there in the back. Grocery store.

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<v Speaker 5>Thumbs up, chunk of meat. Do you know what