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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong, Joe Jetty.
Speaker 1: I'm strong and Jetty and he armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: Are you worried that this strike is going to hurt
Speaker 3: the everyday American? The farmers that need to read. They
Speaker 3: reached the export market. They're telling me that they're gonna
Speaker 3: hurt them.
Speaker 4: You start to realize who the long Shormen are, right.
Speaker 1: Nobody can.
Speaker 4: People never gave a shout us until now when they
Speaker 4: finally realize that the chain is being broke. Now, cars
Speaker 4: won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't come in.
Speaker 4: You know how many people depend on odd jobs half
Speaker 4: the world, and it's time for them and time for
Speaker 4: Washington to put so much fresh on them to take
Speaker 4: care of us, because we took care of them and
Speaker 4: we're here at in thirty five years. It brought tom
Speaker 4: where they are today, and they don't want to share.
Speaker 5: So it doesn't sound at all like a guy who'd
Speaker 5: crack your head open. That's the leader of the Long Showman.
Speaker 5: That's Harold Jay Daggett, the leader of the union.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's the leader of the union.
Speaker 6: That's not just some rank and file guys don't give
Speaker 6: a us about us.
Speaker 1: That's the guy in charge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not just a guy who will break open
Speaker 5: the head of a scab.
Speaker 1: He ses the head of the union.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I realize I risk getting my teeth kicked in by
Speaker 6: saying this, But so often when I hear from the
Speaker 6: big unions, I think you sound like thugs. You sound
Speaker 6: like people that have gotten your way for so long,
Speaker 6: and you're so entitled, you feel like you deserve a
Speaker 6: way better deal than anybody else in America gets for
Speaker 6: their jobs.
Speaker 1: And you're willing to have leverage and you're willing to
Speaker 1: be violent for it.
Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, regularly these big unions, it
Speaker 6: turns out the people at the top are crooks.
Speaker 1: Happens all the time.
Speaker 6: Not saying that this guy is, but it happens all
Speaker 6: the time with the United Auto Workers, for instance.
Speaker 5: Well, here's say headline from Yahu News, no notable conservative
Speaker 5: outlet Harold Daggett, how union leader who fought mob tie
Speaker 5: allegations is holding the US economy for ransom.
Speaker 1: Shocking. I think we would be buried the leading case.
Speaker 6: You're not paying attention and Only Fox is really covering
Speaker 6: this story. The longshoreman went on strike last night, forty
Speaker 6: five thousand members of this and it's going to cost
Speaker 6: the economy about five billion dollars a day, which is
Speaker 6: not a ton in our economy. But the whole supply
Speaker 6: chain thing could get out of whack really really fast,
Speaker 6: and then it would be a full on political issue.
Speaker 5: Port employers, pressed by Biden administration officials to resolve the impass,
Speaker 5: raised their offer on wages to a fifty percent increase
Speaker 5: over six years from an earlier forty percent increase, along
Speaker 5: with other improvements and benefits, in the twenty four hours
Speaker 5: before the strike deadline that was rejected. The International long
Speaker 5: Shorman's Association is seeking a seventy seven percent wage increase
Speaker 5: over six years as a condition to sit down to talks.
Speaker 5: You come up with seventy seven percent or we're not
Speaker 5: even discussing anything. Well, you think you're gonna get any
Speaker 5: sympathy from the average person out there who has taken
Speaker 5: a fifteen to thirty percent cut depending on your lifestyle
Speaker 5: because of inflation, and they're wanting They're not even gonna
Speaker 5: sit down unless they get a seventy someeven percent increase.
Speaker 5: The main sticking issue is they're saying, no automation. You
Speaker 5: get to rule out the idea of any automation. I
Speaker 5: don't care about AI or robots or anything like that.
Speaker 5: That's insane, that's absolutely insane. That's just that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 6: You can't compete as a country against the rest of
Speaker 6: the world if you're gonna still unload trucks by hand
Speaker 6: when everybody else is doing it automatically, much faster, much cheaper.
Speaker 6: So yesterday Joe Biden was asked, mister President, will you
Speaker 6: intervene in the dock workers strike if they go on
Speaker 6: strike on Tuesday, which they did at midnight last night.
Speaker 1: No, said the ancient president.
Speaker 6: Why not because there's no because there's collective bargaining and
Speaker 6: I don't believe in taft Hartly. The response to that,
Speaker 6: by one of my favorite journalists was the irony here
Speaker 6: is at nuclear levels. Biden, who has tried in a
Speaker 6: multitude of ways to illegally use executive power to get
Speaker 6: what he wants, refuses to invoke executive authority where he
Speaker 6: has the statutory right to do so. Taft hardly gives
Speaker 6: the President of the United States in a situation where
Speaker 6: it's going to harm the economy in a general way
Speaker 6: or national security. He can jump in, jump into these
Speaker 6: big strikes and say you got to stay at work
Speaker 6: while we're working out the deal. He has the right
Speaker 6: to do that. But in this case, unlike some stuff
Speaker 6: around the immigration or canceling student loans or a number
Speaker 6: of other things he's been willing to do illegally, he
Speaker 6: has the legal right and is saying no.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Oh yeah, I can't wait for him to be gone.
Speaker 5: Coming up later, what do immigrants do for government budgets?
Speaker 5: New research has answers. We promised, Yes, we promised that yesterday.
Speaker 1: We didn't get to it. I apologized. We'll squeeze it
Speaker 1: in this hour.
Speaker 5: This is interesting and not terribly shocking. Well, I guess
Speaker 5: when you get down to the granular details, it is
Speaker 5: fairly shocking. But Americans are more reliant than ever on
Speaker 5: government aid. An aging population, economic distress, raised dependence on
Speaker 5: federal and state support, and it matters a hell of
Speaker 5: a lot for our elections. As you might guess. Wall
Speaker 5: Street Journal looking into a major study. This is a
Speaker 5: little graphics heavy, but I can interpret it for you.
Speaker 5: They're talking about the share of personal income from government assistance.
Speaker 5: How in how many counties is it twenty five percent
Speaker 5: or more? In nineteen seventy, government safety net money accounted
Speaker 5: for significant income.
Speaker 1: That's more than twenty five percent.
Speaker 5: Twenty five percent or more in fewer the one percent
Speaker 5: of America's counties. So say that again, in what year
Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy it was less than one percent? Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: In two thousand it went from less than one percent
Speaker 5: to roughly ten percent.
Speaker 1: That's the year two than ten percent, which a tenfold
Speaker 1: increase is not minor.
Speaker 5: In the year twenty twenty two, fifty three percent, more
Speaker 5: than half of US counties drew at least a quarter
Speaker 5: of their income from government eight.
Speaker 6: So this is we were talking about this last week,
Speaker 6: and now that it's the average person in the bottom quintile.
Speaker 6: I know this is a lot of complicated talking, but
Speaker 6: the bottom twenty percent of income earners in America get
Speaker 6: on average sixty eight thousand dollars per household of transfer payments.
Speaker 6: And that's left out of every argument about we have
Speaker 6: the highest inequality of any nation in the world. They
Speaker 6: never include this stuff. And what you just talked about there,
Speaker 6: that's never included in these conversations from Bernie Sanders or
Speaker 6: probably Tim Walls tonight in the debate. People live in
Speaker 6: paycheck to paycheck. Well, more people are getting the handouts
Speaker 6: from the government than ever before by a lot.
Speaker 5: And as we've discussed with Craig the healthcare Guru, socialism
Speaker 5: is not a light switch. It's a a fungus oh
Speaker 5: that spreads across a country and it's programmed, crafts benefits
Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: It starts getting across. There's just no stopping it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the big reasons for this dramatic growth are interesting.
Speaker 5: Some of them I think most conservatives would reject out
Speaker 5: of hand. But it gets a little complicated when you
Speaker 5: dig into it. There are much larger share of Americans
Speaker 5: who are seniors. Period, We're living longer, and we've aged
Speaker 5: as a population, We're not having kids anymore. And healthcare
Speaker 5: raw sorry, healthcare costs have risen fairly dramatically.
Speaker 1: As they've gotten or fantastic.
Speaker 5: The technology we have at our disposal to keep ourselves
Speaker 5: healthy and alive is truly awe inspiring, but it costs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And as my doctor said last week, what exactly
Speaker 6: is the point?
Speaker 1: Sometimes he wonders.
Speaker 6: Well as we just get you know, our brains don't work,
Speaker 6: our bodies don't work, but we hang around longer at
Speaker 6: a great expense.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, it could be the money is the point
Speaker 5: in at least some situations, although it's I understand it's
Speaker 5: an odd conundrum that a person could sit around rubbing
Speaker 5: their chin thinking about for a long time. You're not
Speaker 5: going to turn down medical advances, Nope, because it's every
Speaker 5: advance is an incremental step. It can lead toward other
Speaker 5: advances or cures or what have you. But at the
Speaker 5: same time you and your doctor are quite right, Hey,
Speaker 5: good news. We can keep alzheimer suffering Granny alive for
Speaker 5: one more year. We can stave off or cancer with
Speaker 5: this new gene therapy. Blah blah blah. What are we
Speaker 5: doing here anyway? To get back to the major threat
Speaker 5: of the thing rouni here. At the same time, many communities,
Speaker 5: so it's the aging and the development of medical technology
Speaker 5: number one. At the same time, many communities have suffered
Speaker 5: from economic declient because of the challenges, including the loss
Speaker 5: of manufacturing, leaving government money. Is the larger share of
Speaker 5: people's income in such places. I you know, I could
Speaker 5: bore you to death. I won't because I do this
Speaker 5: for a living and kind of enjoy getting the paycheck.
Speaker 5: But one of the big debates in conservative circles these
Speaker 5: days is the question of the reagan esque free trade
Speaker 5: global economy conservatives versus what's being called the new conservatism
Speaker 5: or whatever you want to call it. And everybody's always
Speaker 5: government conservatism. People call it, yeah, industrial planning, you know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes people even call it central planning, what have you,
Speaker 5: And are bellowing at each other about it as if
Speaker 5: the solutions and the questions and answers are very simple.
Speaker 1: They're not at all.
Speaker 5: They're trillions of dollars at stake. So I understand why
Speaker 5: the people making lots and lots of money want to
Speaker 5: keep that money flowing. They don't care how much unemployment
Speaker 5: there is in rural Pennsylvania, for instance. At the same time,
Speaker 5: oh oh, and the other point I was going to
Speaker 5: make the side of the new.
Speaker 1: Conservatives.
Speaker 5: Back in Reagan's day, we didn't have the situation where
Speaker 5: our chief global adversary is our one of our chief
Speaker 5: trading partners, technology partners, and practically indispensable to the world economy.
Speaker 5: So if you are pitching free global trade of a
Speaker 5: reaganesque sort. You are pitching continued interaction slash dependence with China,
Speaker 5: which is just a idea. Times have changed, the arguments
Speaker 5: have to change too, So I have sympathy with both sides,
Speaker 5: but it is not simple getting back. I'm sorry, it's
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Speaker 5: So for its analysis of government spending, EIG, which is
Speaker 5: the folks doing the analysis use the government definition of
Speaker 5: income that includes spending on programs that Americans pay into,
Speaker 5: such as Medicare and Social Security. Another major government health program, Medicaid.
Speaker 1: Is counted.
Speaker 5: The analysis also includes unemployment insurance, food stamps, the Earned
Speaker 5: Income Tax Credit, veterans benefits, PELL grants, COVID era payments,
Speaker 5: and other income supports. States help pay for some of
Speaker 5: these programs, like Medicaid, but the federal government covers the
Speaker 5: roughly seventy seventy percent of the cost, and it doesn't
Speaker 5: include other ways government spending floods into corners of America,
Speaker 5: such as farm subsidies or military bases. So this spending
Speaker 5: accounts for big and growing share of not only the
Speaker 5: income of the nation, but also our national debt. We
Speaker 5: are addicted to government spending slash social programs as a country.
Speaker 6: There's there's no weaning off that either. I don't believe
Speaker 6: in no backwards. I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 5: No, but you do have to be honest about the
Speaker 5: dollars and cents coming and going, and we're headed for
Speaker 5: a cliff.
Speaker 6: So we went from one percent nineteen seventy to over
Speaker 6: half now correct.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Not very many people could tell you that, and it
Speaker 6: won't be a topic tonight in the debate either.
Speaker 1: Stay with us. You're like a rare at the live
Speaker 1: the thing a lap.
Speaker 5: He made bull the dugout Davy can supt beyond Pollock,
Speaker 5: blub way by Pitcher dug the pilla.
Speaker 6: Wait a second, So Pete Rose baseball player, greatest hitter
Speaker 6: of all time, all time leader in a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of things, hits at bats, doubles, just all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 6: But why did that clip from nineteen seventy eight sound
Speaker 6: like it was from nineteen thirty nine. I was alive
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy eight. That's not what audio sounded like
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 5: It sounds like he was recorded off of a transistor radio.
Speaker 6: Or they went out of their way to make it
Speaker 6: sound old timy. It doesn't need to sound like that.
Speaker 6: Things sounded much like they do now in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 6: But oh, so this thing. So Pete Rose died yesterday.
Speaker 6: He got banned from baseball. If you know this at all,
Speaker 6: you know this. He was the biggest star in the sport.
Speaker 6: Then he got banned for gambling. When he became a manager,
Speaker 6: never bet against his team.
Speaker 1: He claims. He always bet for his team because if.
Speaker 5: You're better how he lied about everything all the time,
Speaker 5: so it's difficult to say.
Speaker 6: And he never admitted it, but I guess he finally
Speaker 6: did admit it at one point to Charlie Gibson, and
Speaker 6: I don't remember this because I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Here we go, you're now saying for the first time publicly, yes,
Speaker 2: I bet on baseball. I've bet on baseball in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven, in nineteen eighty eight, did you bet on
Speaker 2: your own team?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Did you ever believe in my team?
Speaker 1: I mean I knew my team.
Speaker 2: Did you ever bet against your No, No, that would
Speaker 2: be uh, that'd be the last thing I'd ever even
Speaker 2: even consider.
Speaker 1: I believe that.
Speaker 6: I believe that too. I think he's too competitive. Yes,
Speaker 6: he was competitive to the point of mental illness. And
Speaker 6: I just there's no way he would bet against him
Speaker 6: or his team.
Speaker 5: He was one of the most driven human beings who's
Speaker 5: ever played sports, and everybody's driven in sports.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was the manager of the team at
Speaker 6: the time, player manager for a while then just manager.
Speaker 6: And there's no way he's going to bet against himself.
Speaker 6: He's just not that kind of person. Yeah, But uh,
Speaker 6: he was trying to get back into the good graces
Speaker 6: of baseball when he admitted it, right, so he could
Speaker 6: be in the Hall of Fame while he was alive.
Speaker 5: And yeah, he was trying to meet him halfway, you know,
Speaker 5: confess his sins and get some measure of forgiveness.
Speaker 6: Also interesting that he was a giant star back at
Speaker 6: a time when you made good money.
Speaker 1: But not insane money. So he needed money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whereas you know, you're that level of star now
Speaker 6: and you're so incredibly wealthy, he wouldn't. Okay, kick me
Speaker 6: out of the Hall of Fame or whatever. I'm worth
Speaker 6: a half a billion dollars. Yeah, you do one significant contract. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're you're set for life and sorry your kids plus endorsement.
Speaker 1: That whole world has changed so much. Yeah, yeah, he had.
Speaker 6: He had an odd haircut throughout most of his career too.
Speaker 1: He had a haircut of like a bowl haircut, the
Speaker 1: Prince Valiant. Yeah, Chris Jenner, right right, Well you get
Speaker 1: at least Pete's stated, dude. Anyway, Hey, hey, I fight
Speaker 1: for team dude. All right. I love women, I treasure women,
Speaker 1: but I'm on team dude.
Speaker 6: That's your expert support analysis at least, he stated.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 5: Well, you hate it when one of your best dudes
Speaker 5: changes teams, you know.
Speaker 6: So we'll get to a little bit later this hour.
Speaker 6: There's more info coming out. US officials say they have
Speaker 6: knowledge of an imminent attack Iran is planning on Israel
Speaker 6: ballistic missiles. The latest is that it's going to be
Speaker 6: similar to what happened back in April that was a
Speaker 6: big attack that it took an awful lot of technology
Speaker 6: in different countries to work together to thwart. So this
Speaker 6: could be happening, Well, it means, immin it could be happening.
Speaker 5: You need to and I'm anxious to hear what Mike
Speaker 5: has to say about what Israel is going to do
Speaker 5: next with Hesbelan how much this means to the region.
Speaker 1: Quick look back at baseball.
Speaker 5: Was just made aware of a me that's going around
Speaker 5: showing Pete Rose and then show Hey Otani the memes
Speaker 5: saying Pete Rose should have had an interpreter.
Speaker 6: Ah, you don't think that wasn't me?
Speaker 1: And that was my interpreter over there.
Speaker 6: You don't think show Hayes Betten, do you? I don't
Speaker 6: think he is, probably not. That's pretty funny joke.
Speaker 1: Though, Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 6: So if you're into following hotspots around the world and
Speaker 6: knowing what's going on on a moment by moment basis,
Speaker 6: one of the best sites out there is osint defender.
Speaker 6: That's open source intelligence, which is followed by lots of
Speaker 6: smart people Barrywise, Tim Sandifer and Mike Lyons who were
Speaker 6: about to talk to and this is.
Speaker 1: What they say about today's news.
Speaker 6: US officials have stated that the Iranian attack against Israel
Speaker 6: will most likely begin in the next twelve to twenty
Speaker 6: four hours, involving hundreds of long rage ballistic missiles, as
Speaker 6: well as drones and cruise missiles launched against both military
Speaker 6: and intelligence to targets. Great Scott, sounds like quite an attack.
Speaker 6: Let's discuss that and other developments in the region. We
Speaker 6: seeing a military analyst, Mike Lyons who joins US now. Mike,
Speaker 6: how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Hey, Monny, guys, great to be back.
Speaker 1: First of all, what's your reaction to those headlines?
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a little cynical here, and this
Speaker 2: is sounding like an Israeli id FOP. Why would the
Speaker 2: White House announce this? Why I'm not following this on
Speaker 2: some level, Why would the Why would they come out
Speaker 2: and say the level of attack is going to be that?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it. It's almost to the point
Speaker 2: are they trying to Maybe they're prepping forces there, but
Speaker 2: this is something that they should be somewhat silent about.
Speaker 2: Is this a back channel to Iran? We you know,
Speaker 2: the senior wide of official. I'm looking at the Water
Speaker 2: Journal article says, a direct military attack from Rand against
Speaker 2: Israel Carrie severe consequences for a rant. So I think
Speaker 2: that's what that's that's what this is. It's it's that
Speaker 2: level of messaging. And now we're now hit deep in it.
Speaker 2: If we know this is going on, if this is
Speaker 2: what's what's happening here, this is what We're past the
Speaker 2: point of something that we're able to get out of
Speaker 2: here peacefully. This is not good on a lot of
Speaker 2: different levels. And I'm just really concerned that the United
Speaker 2: States decided to make this statement here. It might be true,
Speaker 2: it might not be true, but why the United States
Speaker 2: would put this out to me, seems like something that
Speaker 2: Israel would wanted us to do, and I'm just not
Speaker 2: getting it.
Speaker 6: Well, it certainly runs if if what you're saying is correct.
Speaker 6: It certainly runs counter to the things Joe Biden and
Speaker 6: the Secretary of State have been saying out loud, which
Speaker 6: is all about ceasfire, ceasefires, ceasefire.
Speaker 1: Israel don't go.
Speaker 2: In, yeah, I mean, they can't get off a plane
Speaker 2: fast enough in the Middle East. And the first thing
Speaker 2: that Anthony Lincoln says is we want to cease fire,
Speaker 2: and we want we want to de escalate situations. This
Speaker 2: comment is basically now an active war saying if you
Speaker 2: attack Israel, We're going to do something back at you.
Speaker 2: So again the whift song back and forth that the
Speaker 2: administration has has been somewhat troubling to begin with. It
Speaker 2: just goes back to there's not a consistency within this messaging.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Israel's not a warfitting, no question about it.
Speaker 2: There's got minor incourasions now into Lebanon. There stated military
Speaker 2: objective is to move sixty thousand people back into the north,
Speaker 2: so they're not then I'll call two bar artillery range
Speaker 2: and that's within let's say twenty to thirty five kilometers
Speaker 2: from the border. They're always going to be subject to
Speaker 2: the long range strategic missiles and that's what iron domes
Speaker 2: for and all those other things. But going after the
Speaker 2: leadership of heads blood, now, you know, Iran is very exposed.
Speaker 2: And the only thing I'm thinking is that Uranians, the
Speaker 2: Israelis are going, you know what, we definitely this is
Speaker 2: the time for more. This is the time to destroy
Speaker 2: that nuclear capability. There's no better, no better time to
Speaker 2: do it than now. And that may be why I
Speaker 2: think they're leaning in that direction, but the United States
Speaker 2: is going to get dragged into this.
Speaker 5: It looks like, wow, Well, putting aside the confusing announcement
Speaker 5: and the muddled and inconsistent foreign policy of the Biden
Speaker 5: administration which has left US muddled and confused, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: The Wall Street Journal editorial board also calling for the
Speaker 5: US to seize the moment, put Iran and its proxies
Speaker 5: on the defensive. But they're talking about, you know, beating
Speaker 5: the hell out of the Houthis and Yemen, who, to
Speaker 5: my mind, the United States has been incredibly hesitant to.
Speaker 1: Do anything about.
Speaker 5: But right, well, why don't we talk about that for
Speaker 5: a minute, then we can talk about attacking.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Yeah, I mean, the Houthi's been firing
Speaker 2: I guess the other day a couple dozen missiles, and
Speaker 2: my sources of the Navy telling me that they continue
Speaker 2: to shoot them down and they're working there. And then
Speaker 2: the Hoothi's fire at a drone is raelly drone. And
Speaker 2: what do the Israelis do? They turn around and destroy
Speaker 2: a petroleum plant in Yemen. So it just gets back
Speaker 2: to there's a lot of mis signals with regard to
Speaker 2: what exacts our postures and if our answers, we're going
Speaker 2: to turn around and start hammering people. It's all coming
Speaker 2: from the sky, my spear of this whole thing. Also,
Speaker 2: is this overreach that ends up happening. The same confidence
Speaker 2: that Vladimir Putin had about taking Ukraine three days, Well,
Speaker 2: the Israelis might think it's the same thing. They're going
Speaker 2: to do here and destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities in
Speaker 2: three days. And this over confidence, that's the thing I'm
Speaker 2: concerned about. Given right now that they've taken out the
Speaker 2: hes blog leadership, they've taken out those second third team levels,
Speaker 2: let that kind of let's take a moment see where
Speaker 2: that actually goes. And then maybe four the United States
Speaker 2: to focus back on who's these focus back on what's
Speaker 2: happening there as it continues to impeach shipping lanes across
Speaker 2: the Middle East and within the Red Sea.
Speaker 6: Well, we won't even get into because who knows who's
Speaker 6: actually making these decisions. I don't know at what moments
Speaker 6: and during the day Joe Biden's capable of making these decisions.
Speaker 1: Some days I'm sure he's times some days I think
Speaker 1: he is. But some days I'm sure he's not. So
Speaker 1: you got that issue out there.
Speaker 6: But is there ever going to be a better time
Speaker 6: for Israel to try to take out the nuclear program
Speaker 6: in Iran than now?
Speaker 2: No, And I think that's what their calculation is. I
Speaker 2: think it's exactly right as they They've done it in
Speaker 2: the past. They took out you know, OSRIC and eighty one,
Speaker 2: they took out the capability there than this in Syria.
Speaker 2: They've taken it out before in Iraq. So I think
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a better time for it. Frankly,
Speaker 2: if I was, if I was the military advisor to
Speaker 2: the to the Prime Minsiter, I'd say, if we're going
Speaker 2: to do it now at the time, I mean last
Speaker 2: time when they fired back, when Iran fired three hundred
Speaker 2: missiles our way. Uh, they basically put a posted note
Speaker 2: on where the nuclear facilities was because they attacked the town,
Speaker 2: but they didn't attack the facility itself. It's going to
Speaker 2: be a difficult mission though, it's not going to once
Speaker 2: again get rid of the program, and we'll set it back,
Speaker 2: which is all all that's really happening is this is
Speaker 2: these attacks. Set back has bled, they set back well,
Speaker 2: God's I think is different I think Hamas has been
Speaker 2: pretty much stripped of all capability there there there, they
Speaker 2: would have a very difficult time in the army. But
Speaker 2: Hesbela is still different because of the amount of weapons
Speaker 2: they have and the amount of support they've gotten from Iran.
Speaker 2: They've been Iran's proxy jewel for the last twenty years,
Speaker 2: built specifically to do nothing but antagonized Israel. So this
Speaker 2: is where Israel said we've had enough and this is
Speaker 2: why they're going to try to destroy them. So Iran's
Speaker 2: explosed and now the time to do it well.
Speaker 5: And from the Israeli point of view, if Harris were
Speaker 5: winning to win the election, the lack of support would continue,
Speaker 5: and if Trump were to get elected, they would get
Speaker 5: a high five for having done what they did. So
Speaker 5: I don't see any reason to hesitate and wait for
Speaker 5: the US to come along. Hey, I want to go
Speaker 5: back to the Hesbela and their impressive arms, which we've
Speaker 5: talked about through the recent months. We've talked with you
Speaker 5: in the past about decapitation operations, you know, taking out leadership,
Speaker 5: but I mean this took out some of the key
Speaker 5: leadership and two levels below them.
Speaker 1: Has Bolas got to be an utter disarray right now.
Speaker 1: Don't you think.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to take out the one guy that's
Speaker 2: sitting in the answers the phone and whatever and gets
Speaker 2: blown up. But it's right, they've taken out multiple levels
Speaker 2: of command and control within within has a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you saw those pictures on CNN of the attack
Speaker 2: where they were, you know, they just didn't take out
Speaker 2: the top ten guys there. They took out their staff,
Speaker 2: They took out all the other people that all the communications,
Speaker 2: I mean, the entire the casualties from that attack are
Speaker 2: have to be off the charts. And so yeah, there
Speaker 2: as they try to scramble, and again let's take a
Speaker 2: moment here and see what exactly comes of it, which
Speaker 2: is why Israel wants to take advantage of it right now,
Speaker 2: given the fact that lines of communications are cut within
Speaker 2: within Lebanon from there and Iran is very much exposed.
Speaker 2: So there's maybe small little militia groups that could go
Speaker 2: after you know, US forces maybe in certain places, but
Speaker 2: everything right now is very strategic over the horizon because again,
Speaker 2: if you look at a map, there's no other allies
Speaker 2: Ron has to go to war against Israel. All these
Speaker 2: other Arab entries don't have they don't have any military.
Speaker 2: They're not going to Gypsians aren't going to talk to
Speaker 2: Jordanians aren't going to There's no If this was forty
Speaker 2: years ago, yeah, the Syrians had a military and there
Speaker 2: was that capability, but that doesn't exist anymore. It's just
Speaker 2: a Ron versus Israel at this point, and it's going
Speaker 2: to come down to hooplinks first. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to be Israel.
Speaker 6: So if they're going to try to take out the
Speaker 6: nuclear facilities in Iran, they would use the same method
Speaker 6: they used to take out the leader Hesblo, wouldn't they
Speaker 6: Just the succession of those two thousand pounds bombs until
Speaker 6: you finally get far enough underground.
Speaker 2: It's likely what they would do. The program is very
Speaker 2: much spread out, though it's dispersed. They would have eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve targets there would They would take advantage of
Speaker 2: a very weak Iranian air defense system that is completely aged,
Speaker 2: hasn't been upgraded, hasn't hasn't had any kind of advances
Speaker 2: to it, So they would have that going for them,
Speaker 2: but eventually they wouldn't get it all. But that's likely
Speaker 2: what it would be. I think it's about eleven or
Speaker 2: twelve targets, so to speak. The place where they attacked
Speaker 2: last time was probably the most important place. That's where
Speaker 2: uranium is enriched. Right, three levels of creating a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 2: You know, mine it, enrich it, and then you obviously
Speaker 2: create the bomb. The enrichment is the key part of it.
Speaker 2: If they can take out that plan close to fourdoh,
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's called, that would be very significant,
Speaker 2: setting their program back.
Speaker 5: I know this sort of prediction making is silly, but
Speaker 5: in your mind, is it at one out of ten
Speaker 5: prospect that the Israelis do it, nine out of ten
Speaker 5: somewhere in between?
Speaker 2: I'd say six, six out of ten. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to depend on the next forty eight hours, what
Speaker 2: the what the Uranians do. If they don't follow through
Speaker 2: with this attack that we're saying is going to happen,
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't give Israel cause to do it.
Speaker 2: Israel won't necessarily preemptively strike just yet, as they've done
Speaker 2: in the past. Israel has preemptively struck its enemies in
Speaker 2: the past, but it's going to if they do strike.
Speaker 2: If the Iranians do strike, well, then that's going to
Speaker 2: open the door for or Israel to respond back, and
Speaker 2: it'll be a Tehrana. It'll be at this nuclear capability,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Quick exit question before we think and.
Speaker 2: When we're saying in the United States forms is now
Speaker 2: part of this because they'll will provide air defense systems
Speaker 2: of anything. That's eventually, once a round figures out it's
Speaker 2: getting attacked, it's going to start unleashing its missiles. The
Speaker 2: US will be hip deep in it to trying to
Speaker 2: defend Israel at that point.
Speaker 5: All right, quick exit question a different topic before we
Speaker 5: let you go, Mike. Given the lack of change, certainly
Speaker 5: for the Ukrainian side on the battlefield of late how
Speaker 5: soon do you expect to see serious negotiations for a
Speaker 5: peace deal taking place?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Russia seems to be digging in. Saw a report
Speaker 2: that said they want to fight this until twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: It's going to take a negotiator to come in and
Speaker 2: see what Ukraine is willing to give up. As Russia
Speaker 2: continues to grind away and get the rest of Europe involved.
Speaker 2: Ukraine did taking that land in a few months back.
Speaker 2: Now it's going back in a couple of months. It
Speaker 2: hasn't really made a difference with regards to Russia's calculation.
Speaker 2: They still have more capacity, capability, and they can still
Speaker 2: you know, pretty much do what they want. They could
Speaker 2: grind Ukraine down. The question is whether Ukraine would be
Speaker 2: willing to give up those areas in the Dombas and Crimea.
Speaker 2: The number one thing that Russia wants is Crimea. They
Speaker 2: want complete control over its about to pull. They want
Speaker 2: complete control over that of the back sea, and that
Speaker 2: gives them a one more report. They have to have it.
Speaker 6: We keep asking you more questions when we tell you
Speaker 6: you're done. So I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 6: I didn't see it till yesterday. Apparently Trump told a
Speaker 6: reporter recently, and he reiterated it yesterday that his deal
Speaker 6: with Putin is going to be here's the deal, and
Speaker 6: if you don't take it, I'm going to give Ukraine
Speaker 6: whatever they want.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah again that so that means, yeah, that would
Speaker 2: be pretty amazing. But I'm not sure the deal that
Speaker 2: would be. Well, So the question is whether the Ukrainians
Speaker 2: would give would want the deal, because that deal involves
Speaker 2: giving up land. The question about it, right, so whether
Speaker 2: Ukraine agrees with it remains to be seen. That might
Speaker 2: be true, but but Ukraine might not be willing to
Speaker 2: take their side of the deal. That's the only thing
Speaker 2: I could think of for that one.
Speaker 5: CNN military analyst Mike lyons, Mike, thanks so much for
Speaker 5: the time and and the thoughts, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2: Great, I think for me.
Speaker 1: Yep, of course. Wow, that's something.
Speaker 6: So in the eighty one, monockem Began was Prime Minister
Speaker 6: at the time and he bombed the but Jesus out
Speaker 6: of their nuclear facilities or they would have gotten a
Speaker 6: bomb way way back then, and we went nuts over
Speaker 6: it in public. Eventually gave him a medal years later
Speaker 6: for doing what he did. So what the administration says
Speaker 6: out loud about Israel going aps is not necessarily what
Speaker 6: we think, right.
Speaker 5: And they're terrible at their jobs, so it is difficult
Speaker 5: to assess what they're doing and what they mean and
Speaker 5: what they don't need. You mean the White House, yes, boy,
Speaker 5: this is their their whole foreign policy team. So this
Speaker 5: is the level of attack that Open Sources reporting on.
Speaker 5: And then Mike Client says, well, we got to be
Speaker 5: in it because we're providing the air support to make
Speaker 5: this whole thing go away, Holy cow.
Speaker 1: This next twenty four or forty eight hours could be
Speaker 1: pretty exciting.
Speaker 5: And not because J. D. Vance is wrestling with the
Speaker 5: old coach on TV tonight talking about cat ladies and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Cat eaton the whole debate.
Speaker 6: If it happens before the debate, the whole debate, half
Speaker 6: the debate could be about this.
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. Yes, heck of a thing.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts text line four one five two
Speaker 6: nine five k FDC.
Speaker 1: In terms of the polling, you know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't believe any of the polls. I don't believe the
Speaker 1: polls that I like. I don't believe the polls I
Speaker 1: don't like.
Speaker 6: That's Charlie Hurt of Washington Examiner. Doesn't believe the poles
Speaker 6: he likes, doesn't believe the polls you don't like. Who
Speaker 6: knows how accurate the polls are, But we got a tied.
Speaker 1: Racing all of them. Okay, okay, okay. We have a
Speaker 1: debate tonight between the vice presidential candidates, which I don't
Speaker 1: think in the history of debates has ever moved the
Speaker 1: needle at all. I keep seeing.
Speaker 5: Will it entertain me? Is my only question? And I
Speaker 5: think it will on one level or enough for ninety minutes.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I predict at the very end of
Speaker 7: the debate, they could all just sit there scrolling through
Speaker 7: their phones and nobody would notice because there'll be nobody
Speaker 7: watching the last half hour.
Speaker 5: Margaret Brennan could just say to JD, Hey, do you
Speaker 5: see this about Pete Rose.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: In a little two feet chat.
Speaker 6: An hour in Margaret Brennan could say, Okay, I just
Speaker 6: got the word from the producers. There's nobody currently watching.
Speaker 6: We have the datus, so let's just let's just hang
Speaker 6: out here until the end. You start scrolling through your phone.
Speaker 5: I guess I can put my legs back behind the
Speaker 5: desk because there's nobody looking at them.
Speaker 6: That is something the modern news show where the women
Speaker 6: wear super short skirts, but they gotta have a glass
Speaker 6: desk and a high stool so that their legs can show. Yes,
Speaker 6: he wouldn't have thought we'd have gone that direction in
Speaker 6: the modern world. I got Harry legs. My point was
Speaker 6: going to be, if you haven't heard this, CBS announced
Speaker 6: that Margaret Brennan will not be doing fact checking. They're
Speaker 6: gonna leave the fact checking up to the candidates, which
Speaker 6: is what a debate is. So it's interesting that they're
Speaker 6: having to step out a line to get back in
Speaker 6: line with what debates are. That's the whole point of
Speaker 6: a debate is the two candidates argue with each other
Speaker 6: and present different facts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you hear that, David Muir, hope you choke
Speaker 5: on your kale shake in.
Speaker 6: Terms as opposed to the moderators jumping in with their
Speaker 6: facts randomly, uh uh and not accurately. I had another point.
Speaker 6: What was the point do oh? It just came across this.
Speaker 6: I don't know if this will come out in the
Speaker 6: debate tonight. The Harris price fixing campaign and all that
Speaker 6: sort of stuff. The economy's got to be part of it.
Speaker 6: It's the number one issue in America. Gallup poll just
Speaker 6: out more Americans give a negative view of grocery stores
Speaker 6: than a positive view for the first time since Gallup
Speaker 6: started asking about this many many decades ago. How would
Speaker 6: a majority of Americans have a negative view of grocery stores.
Speaker 1: Well, they do for the first.
Speaker 6: Time ever because of Kamala Harrison, Joe Biden coming out
Speaker 6: and saying it's the grocery stores that are screwing you.
Speaker 6: That's why the price of price of bacon is so high,
Speaker 6: That's why eggs are so high. The grocery stores are
Speaker 6: just greedy bastards stealing from you, and it drove down
Speaker 6: their positive ratings.
Speaker 5: There is no limit to the dishonesty in politics. I
Speaker 5: mean that's stating the obvious, but I mean they will
Speaker 5: lie about everything.
Speaker 6: And in this case it worked unbelievable. That sort of
Speaker 6: stuff polls well. Price fixing, rent control, claiming you're being
Speaker 6: gouged really polls well.
Speaker 1: I stand up for the humble grocery store.
Speaker 5: I don't care who's with me and who's against me.
Speaker 5: You can get a cucumber over there, yogurt over there,
Speaker 5: A delicious chunk of meat there in the back. Grocery store.
Speaker 5: Thumbs up, chunk of meat. Do you know what