WEBVTT - Nancy Guthrie Went Missing Exactly One Month Ago Today

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, March first, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was one month ago today that eighty four year old

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Guthrie was reported missing, and now here we are

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<v Speaker 1>one month later, and authorities are actually pulling back resources

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<v Speaker 1>in finding her. And with that, welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ Rope. No way we would have

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<v Speaker 1>guessed a month ago we'd be here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you think about, yes, we know that there are

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<v Speaker 2>tens of thousands of missing persons every year in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>But to think that one of the most visible national

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<v Speaker 2>news media hosts loses her eighty four year old mother

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<v Speaker 2>at a time right when NBC is already in the

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<v Speaker 2>spotlight with the Olympics about to start. She had every resource,

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<v Speaker 2>every media outlet, people around the world looking for talking

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<v Speaker 2>about wondering what could have happened to Nancy Guthrie. And

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<v Speaker 2>even with all of that attention and all of those resources,

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<v Speaker 2>we still one month later, have no idea where Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>Guthrie is.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say no idea, it really at least

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<v Speaker 1>feels robes when you read and put together a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the headlines which try to almost sometimes fool you

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<v Speaker 1>into clicking and thinking there's something going on. When you

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<v Speaker 1>take them as a collective, there seems to be nothing

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<v Speaker 1>and no movement. In this case. Some of the headlines

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<v Speaker 1>or some of them are misleading to downright deceptive and

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<v Speaker 1>mean quite frankly, but it makes clear there has not

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<v Speaker 1>been The headline is that there's no new headline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so interestingly enough, Yes, if you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>head at the tabloids, they try to make you think

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<v Speaker 2>they've got some new nugget. Trust us, they do not.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the more I felt like disappointing and

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<v Speaker 2>discouraging things today. You asked me, Hey, is there anything new.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look and see if there's one thing we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. And I actually found these headlines from reputable

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<v Speaker 2>sources and they all kind of say the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Savannah Guthrie's mom update. It's not good news, says trusted

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<v Speaker 2>source on day twenty eight. Nancy Guthrie Nancy Guthrie update Today.

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<v Speaker 2>Search reaches crossroads one month and to ask Nancy Guthrie's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too early to declare this a cold case. Savannah

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<v Speaker 2>Guthrie may never know what happened to her loved one

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<v Speaker 2>in the US. She is not alone. Those were the

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<v Speaker 2>headlines on this one month anniversary from reputable news organizations

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't trying to fool you into thinking they've got

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<v Speaker 2>some new bit of information. But honestly, the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>scarier than maybe even the.

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<v Speaker 1>Clickbait, and let's go with the reality right now. The

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<v Speaker 1>official word, at least throws lately from authorities is not

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<v Speaker 1>that they're throwing something new at the case. They're actually

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<v Speaker 1>having to settle back in and pull resources back.

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<v Speaker 2>They're calling it refocusing their resources, but what that means

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<v Speaker 2>is they're scaling back their forces. So yes, they did

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<v Speaker 2>just get fifteen hundred tips from that million dollar reward

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<v Speaker 2>that the Guthrie family put out there this week. But

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<v Speaker 2>even with all of those tips, we're also getting in

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<v Speaker 2>this same breath reports from the FBI that they are

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<v Speaker 2>moving its command post back to Phoenix from Tucson, that

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<v Speaker 2>even the Pima County Sheriff's Department is returning officers, and

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<v Speaker 2>they made this announcement on Friday. They are returning officers

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<v Speaker 2>to their original posts pending any new development. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>while they all still have dedicated folks on the Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>Guthrie case, whereas it was an all hands on deck

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<v Speaker 2>situation that is no longer the.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, and it just seems impossible that this could go

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<v Speaker 1>into the cold case file in some way. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is still only a month, a month new robes.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen cases that go for years and years and

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries that have never been solved. It's hard to think

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<v Speaker 1>we could be seeing the beginning of such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least at this moment, it's hard to unless

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<v Speaker 1>somebody talks, and often people do, but ropes, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to as you said at the top, here all the resources, eyes, attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and money, even like people had incentive to keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye out. People had incentive even if you knew something,

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<v Speaker 1>to risk it to get the money and nothing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just hard to fathom.

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<v Speaker 2>In this day and age, with the technology we have,

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<v Speaker 2>with the resources available to the Guthrie family, with the

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<v Speaker 2>media attention that was created because Savannah Guthrie is who

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<v Speaker 2>she is. Yes, it is actually almost unthinkable. I never

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<v Speaker 2>would have guessed that a month later we would literally

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea, no indication, because we got word that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the higher Guthrie family and their spouses were completely ruled

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<v Speaker 2>out as suspects and named victims in this case. And

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<v Speaker 2>so of course that is the most likely potential suspect

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<v Speaker 2>in any criminal investigation. When you rule out the obvious,

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've got to go look for what could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>motivate a stranger to become a part of this. So

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<v Speaker 2>we actually went to go back because this has been

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<v Speaker 2>really just this exceptional period of time where we have

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<v Speaker 2>been doing Guffree updates up until the last few days daily,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we went back to take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the timeline of events and there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was stuff to report actually that were significant defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you go back to exactly a month ago or

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the day before, on January thirty first, the

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<v Speaker 2>last time Nancy Guffrey was seen alive. We know at

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<v Speaker 2>five thirty pm, Nancy Guthrie ubers to her daughter Annie

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<v Speaker 2>and her son in law Thomaso's home for dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>a card game. And then we got word at nine

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight pm on January thirty first, Nancy's garage door

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<v Speaker 2>opens and then it closes two minutes later, and Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>says that he watches her make it safely inside. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was the following day we got our last real

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<v Speaker 2>bit of forensic data because at one forty seven am

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<v Speaker 2>we know that Nancy's front door camera is disconnected, and

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<v Speaker 2>then twenty five minutes later a camera detects motion, but

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<v Speaker 2>we know that she didn't have any sort of subscription

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<v Speaker 2>to actually get the video of that, so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that, and then we know it two twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>her pacemaker loses contact with her cell phone and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until the next day that the Guthries were notified.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but that next day was February first. We

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<v Speaker 1>were talking February first, spokes a month ago today. This

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<v Speaker 1>woman was reported missing. And I'm not sure when it

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of started to catch fire in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>but they came out fairly early on, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this being a reduction for you're a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the thoughts you didn't wasn't in good health,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe she wandered off. They came out pretty immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and said no, this woman is her her mind is sharp,

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<v Speaker 1>even if her body is failure.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were specific signs at Nancy's home from the

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<v Speaker 2>moment her family got word from a friend who said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy was supposed to show up here and watch church service.

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<v Speaker 2>They watched a live stream church service every day, so

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<v Speaker 2>when she didn't show up, They notified the family, The

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<v Speaker 2>family goes over and then we got worried about what

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy left behind, which led authorities to directly tell the

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<v Speaker 2>media that she did not go on her own, that

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<v Speaker 2>what she left behind nobody would leave behind if they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually choosing to leave a home in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Say it's his own februel, Yeah, February first, February second.

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<v Speaker 1>They're letting us know. Yes, her phone was left behind,

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<v Speaker 1>her phone is off. It's not being you, This is

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<v Speaker 1>not their purse, everything. There were no belongings that you

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<v Speaker 1>would walk out. You would barely even walk out to

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<v Speaker 1>your ma a box without some of this stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>she left everything behind. It seemed odd, of course, robed

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Who is kidnapping an eighty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old woman. It didn't make sense. But in the very

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<v Speaker 1>early hours they said there were signs inside, possibly that

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<v Speaker 1>she left without her will, against her will, But they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't early on, at least a month ago, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the clarity we have now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, including her medication. This was a woman who said,

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<v Speaker 2>they claimed couldn't go more than twenty four hours without

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<v Speaker 2>her medication. And that was left behind as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course those blood spatters at the front door stoop,

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<v Speaker 2>which we later found out were Nancy's blood. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>was the following day. This is crazy, I forgot. By

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<v Speaker 2>February second, they already had the first ransom note to kold.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't know about it, but that was when the

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<v Speaker 2>first ransom note made its way to a local Tucsan station.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first of many, and to this day

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<v Speaker 1>we still don't know if any are legit, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they started very early on.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised by that, I forgot we got one

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<v Speaker 2>so early. And it was the next day, on February third,

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<v Speaker 2>that TMZ got a copy of that ransom note. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the idea was perhaps that the person who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>it was annoyed that the local affiliate didn't let all

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<v Speaker 2>of us know. They actually just gave it to authorities

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't announce it. TMZ then let us know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until February fourth that we finally heard from

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<v Speaker 2>Savannah and her siblings. You remember that first video of

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<v Speaker 2>the three of them sitting there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, saying that she was the only one that

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<v Speaker 1>was she did most of the talking or sister said

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<v Speaker 1>something and the brother said something at the end, very short,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was dire or was desperate, and it sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have much of an idea at the

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<v Speaker 1>time what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. They were actually the first video of

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<v Speaker 2>the siblings. They were trying to speak out to the

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapper and say hey, we're ready to talk, and it

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<v Speaker 2>seems strange, like, wow, they really aren't in communication with them.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just getting like breadcrumbs basically from the family

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<v Speaker 2>about what they knew or what they didn't know. And

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<v Speaker 2>then February sixth, they got another ransom note kold from

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<v Speaker 2>a different IP address, but the same methods were used

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<v Speaker 2>to try and mask their identity. So yes, we were

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<v Speaker 2>all still thinking something was going on, and there were deadlines,

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<v Speaker 2>and those deadlines led to more videos from Savannah and

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<v Speaker 2>her family, So they were trying to react to these

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<v Speaker 2>ransom notes, and that's when they said, remember that cryptic video,

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<v Speaker 2>We received your message and we understand well, that was

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<v Speaker 2>just the second video message. We got so many more

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<v Speaker 2>from the Guthrie siblings and certainly from Savannah, and they

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<v Speaker 2>became more and more desperate. We will take you back

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<v Speaker 2>through what we know about the Nancy Guthrie investigation, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back everyone as we take a look back at

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<v Speaker 2>what we know and talk a lot about what we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about nan See Guthrie's disappearance. It was exactly

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<v Speaker 2>one month ago today. Does it seem like that much

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<v Speaker 2>time has passed from when we first got word that

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<v Speaker 2>Savannah Guthrie's mom was missing, disappeared out of nowhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>now a month later to see where we are. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some people, I mean we followed every single

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<v Speaker 1>day and have been and been keeping count, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people who maybe not fall well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like everybody's following it that closely. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you just just like a blank of an eye and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a month, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I just heard word? You know, it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>does Sabine and her This is something that obviously folks

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<v Speaker 2>are age and people who know Savannah and watch the

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<v Speaker 2>news are really heavily interested and invested in. But it

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't It hasn't made the round on TikTok. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just curious in terms of trying to get the word out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised how little our children knew about this

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<v Speaker 2>case because they get their news from TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised when wasn't didn't even know that the

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<v Speaker 1>war with Iran had started, right because she looks at tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>though I know it's the first thing she does when

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<v Speaker 1>she opens that phone. And to hear her say way

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on was surprising to me. But yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>so some are following it closer than others.

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<v Speaker 2>I just heard word from my ninety year old that

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<v Speaker 2>she even knew what was going on. So it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>that things are just trickling down to younger folks. But

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the Guthrie is trying to reach just about anybody

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody. And yes, the days were it's surprising it

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<v Speaker 2>took until February tenth. I didn't realize that was the

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<v Speaker 2>day the surveillance video was finally released. They were able

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<v Speaker 2>to get it back dooring it through Google, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and they found this black and white video, this mass

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<v Speaker 2>man with a gun and a backpack. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>day February tenth. You and I both thought, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a matter of hours, days at most, before we

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<v Speaker 2>figure out who took Nancy Guthrie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, I thought that was going that the hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even put days on it. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>said a matter of hours, there's going to be some movements,

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<v Speaker 1>some development. And here we are with what did that produce?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing? And they actually detained someone that day and we

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<v Speaker 2>thought this is it. They questioned him and then they

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<v Speaker 2>released him in the middle of the night. We've all

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<v Speaker 2>seen the video. A door dash driver who was very believable,

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<v Speaker 2>very credible in saying, hey, you got the wrong guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't even know who Savannah Guthrie was. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know that Nancy Guthrie had been kidnapped. It was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty obvious when he spoke to reporters on his front

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<v Speaker 2>porch that he was not the person that they were

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<v Speaker 2>looking for. Yes, and they investigated neighbors homes, They questioned

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<v Speaker 2>people and released them. They had vehicles impounded. Bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>After all of that, even unknown DNA found in gloves

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<v Speaker 2>that they believed matched the gloves worn by the man

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<v Speaker 2>in that surveillance video. There were so many moments where

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<v Speaker 2>you thought, Aha, this is it, and then nothing. And

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<v Speaker 2>then finally we got word that investigators had at least

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<v Speaker 2>ruled out a significant group of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the family people were poying the finger, in particular

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<v Speaker 1>at one family member and a prominent journalist. It did

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<v Speaker 1>so and a lot of people will remember that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was unfair and that was wrong. And fine, the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff came out and even talked about having a duty

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you all need to stop this. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the family has been cleared and obviously they were

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<v Speaker 1>the first suspects, so they were cleared.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's nothing out of the ordinary. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>most people know who follow any kind of news or

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<v Speaker 2>crime stories understand that is what police have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You immediately look at the people who last saw your victim,

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<v Speaker 2>the people who purported to love the people who saw

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<v Speaker 2>that person the last time. So, yes, that makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>that that's where police went to specifically, So to have

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<v Speaker 2>them rule out the family was a huge moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>then after that there really wasn't any movement. And this

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<v Speaker 2>last big push by the Guthrie family February twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>the Guthries are offering a one million dollar reward. We

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<v Speaker 2>get this video, Savannah acknowledges, Yes, Mom might be gone,

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<v Speaker 2>Mom might be dead, We still want to know, we

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<v Speaker 2>still want to recover her are you surprised. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>heard about all the tips, but nothing silence. And you'd

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<v Speaker 2>think if something were going to happen, it would have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think it would happen sooner rather than later.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, somebody needs to or try to. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you collect a reward anonymously to not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>be tracked down because you could still be the person

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for taking her and still want to get away

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<v Speaker 1>with this money free and clear. You want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you can't be traced and you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be accused. I don't know that process at all,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe it takes time. Maybe it is happening behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. I don't know, But man, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you have a transaction in which we cannot

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<v Speaker 1>trace this back to you?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems unlikely. And I look at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, the Guthrie family had and has done everything

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<v Speaker 2>they could possibly do. They have kept the story alive

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<v Speaker 2>for a month, they have offered an exorbitant amount of money,

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<v Speaker 2>They've had so many folks dedicate their time and resources

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<v Speaker 2>to try and find their mom, and nothing makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the thing that's so hard to get

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<v Speaker 2>your head around, there is no obvious motive, And we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this, and so if there's no obvious motive,

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<v Speaker 2>who do you look for?

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<v Speaker 1>I lean towards You have to lean towards money, because

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<v Speaker 1>nobody just takes eighty four year old women who need

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<v Speaker 1>help getting around and who have immediate medical needs. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to do that for giggles.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when money is offered and there is no response,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do with that? Where does it go

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<v Speaker 2>from here? And we know there obviously are questions, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are stories that never have answers. And most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, even if you do find out what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to your loved one, you never really get the why.

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<v Speaker 2>It's rare you get the why. But I know they

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<v Speaker 2>just want to know the what what happened to Nancy Guthrie.

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<v Speaker 2>And we will of course continue to follow the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything that rises to the level we will of course

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<v Speaker 2>pass along to you. We aren't going to do daily

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<v Speaker 2>updates or find ways to just push the story forward.

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<v Speaker 2>If something big happens, we will be on it. But

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<v Speaker 2>certainly it was important to at least acknowledge that it's

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<v Speaker 2>been exactly one month since Nancy Guthrie was reported missing

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<v Speaker 2>and we certainly hope that the Guthries get an answer

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<v Speaker 2>sooner rather than later. And with that everyone, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside DJ Holmes. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you soon