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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, March first, and it

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Speaker 1: was one month ago today that eighty four year old

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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie was reported missing, and now here we are

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Speaker 1: one month later, and authorities are actually pulling back resources

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Speaker 1: in finding her. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Rope. No way we would have

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Speaker 2: No, you think about, yes, we know that there are

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of missing persons every year in this country.

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Speaker 2: But to think that one of the most visible national

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Speaker 2: news media hosts loses her eighty four year old mother

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Speaker 2: at a time right when NBC is already in the

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Speaker 2: every media outlet, people around the world looking for talking

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Speaker 2: about wondering what could have happened to Nancy Guthrie. And

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Speaker 2: even with all of that attention and all of those resources,

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Speaker 2: we still one month later, have no idea where Nancy

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Speaker 1: And when you say no idea, it really at least

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Speaker 1: feels robes when you read and put together a lot

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Speaker 1: of the headlines which try to almost sometimes fool you

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Speaker 1: into clicking and thinking there's something going on. When you

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Speaker 1: take them as a collective, there seems to be nothing

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Speaker 1: and no movement. In this case. Some of the headlines

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Speaker 1: mean quite frankly, but it makes clear there has not

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Speaker 2: Yes, so interestingly enough, Yes, if you look at the

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Speaker 2: head at the tabloids, they try to make you think

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Speaker 2: But one of the more I felt like disappointing and

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Speaker 2: discouraging things today. You asked me, Hey, is there anything new.

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Speaker 2: Let's look and see if there's one thing we can

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Speaker 2: talk about. And I actually found these headlines from reputable

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Speaker 2: sources and they all kind of say the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie's mom update. It's not good news, says trusted

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Speaker 2: source on day twenty eight. Nancy Guthrie Nancy Guthrie update Today.

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Speaker 2: Search reaches crossroads one month and to ask Nancy Guthrie's disappearance,

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Speaker 2: it's too early to declare this a cold case. Savannah

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Speaker 2: Guthrie may never know what happened to her loved one

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Speaker 2: in the US. She is not alone. Those were the

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Speaker 2: headlines on this one month anniversary from reputable news organizations

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Speaker 2: who aren't trying to fool you into thinking they've got

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Speaker 2: scarier than maybe even the.

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Speaker 1: Clickbait, and let's go with the reality right now. The

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Speaker 1: that they're throwing something new at the case. They're actually

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Speaker 1: having to settle back in and pull resources back.

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Speaker 2: They're calling it refocusing their resources, but what that means

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Speaker 2: is they're scaling back their forces. So yes, they did

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Speaker 2: just get fifteen hundred tips from that million dollar reward

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Speaker 2: that the Guthrie family put out there this week. But

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Speaker 2: moving its command post back to Phoenix from Tucson, that

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Speaker 2: even the Pima County Sheriff's Department is returning officers, and

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Speaker 2: they made this announcement on Friday. They are returning officers

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Speaker 2: to their original posts pending any new development. So yes,

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Speaker 2: while they all still have dedicated folks on the Nancy

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Speaker 1: Case, and it just seems impossible that this could go

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Speaker 1: this is still only a month, a month new robes.

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Speaker 1: We've seen cases that go for years and years and

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Speaker 1: But at least at this moment, it's hard to unless

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Speaker 2: In this day and age, with the technology we have,

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Speaker 2: the higher Guthrie family and their spouses were completely ruled

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Speaker 2: so of course that is the most likely potential suspect

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Speaker 1: Was stuff to report actually that were significant defense.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you go back to exactly a month ago or

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Speaker 2: I guess the day before, on January thirty first, the

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Speaker 2: last time Nancy Guffrey was seen alive. We know at

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Speaker 2: it was the following day we got our last real

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Speaker 2: bit of forensic data because at one forty seven am

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Speaker 2: we know that Nancy's front door camera is disconnected, and

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Speaker 2: then twenty five minutes later a camera detects motion, but

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Speaker 2: wasn't until the next day that the Guthries were notified.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that next day was February first. We

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Speaker 1: were talking February first, spokes a month ago today. This

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Speaker 1: but they came out fairly early on, and we were

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Speaker 2: And there were specific signs at Nancy's home from the

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Speaker 2: Nancy was supposed to show up here and watch church service.

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Speaker 2: They watched a live stream church service every day, so

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Speaker 2: when she didn't show up, They notified the family, The

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Speaker 2: what she left behind nobody would leave behind if they

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Speaker 1: Say it's his own februel, Yeah, February first, February second.

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Speaker 1: They're letting us know. Yes, her phone was left behind,

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Speaker 1: not their purse, everything. There were no belongings that you

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Speaker 1: she left everything behind. It seemed odd, of course, robed

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Speaker 1: didn't early on, at least a month ago, we didn't

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Speaker 1: have the clarity we have now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, including her medication. This was a woman who said,

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Speaker 2: they claimed couldn't go more than twenty four hours without

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Speaker 2: her medication. And that was left behind as well. And

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Speaker 2: then of course those blood spatters at the front door stoop,

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Speaker 2: was the following day. This is crazy, I forgot. By

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Speaker 2: February second, they already had the first ransom note to kold.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know about it, but that was when the

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Speaker 2: first ransom note made its way to a local Tucsan station.

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Speaker 1: It was the first of many, and to this day

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Speaker 1: we still don't know if any are legit, but yes,

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Speaker 2: I was surprised by that, I forgot we got one

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Speaker 2: that TMZ got a copy of that ransom note. I

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Speaker 2: it wasn't until February fourth that we finally heard from

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Speaker 2: Savannah and her siblings. You remember that first video of

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, saying that she was the only one that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. They were actually the first video of

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Speaker 2: the siblings. They were trying to speak out to the

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Speaker 2: seems strange, like, wow, they really aren't in communication with them.

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Speaker 2: We were just getting like breadcrumbs basically from the family

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Speaker 2: a different IP address, but the same methods were used

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Speaker 2: We received your message and we understand well, that was

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Speaker 2: just the second video message. We got so many more

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Speaker 2: became more and more desperate. We will take you back

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Speaker 2: through what we know about the Nancy Guthrie investigation, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back everyone as we take a look back at

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Speaker 2: what we know and talk a lot about what we

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Speaker 2: don't know about nan See Guthrie's disappearance. It was exactly

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Speaker 2: one month ago today. Does it seem like that much

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Speaker 2: now a month later to see where we are. It's

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Speaker 1: I mean some people, I mean we followed every single

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Speaker 1: it seems like everybody's following it that closely. But if

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Speaker 1: it's been a month, really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just heard word? You know, it's interesting,

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Speaker 2: does Sabine and her This is something that obviously folks

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Speaker 2: it isn't It hasn't made the round on TikTok. I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious in terms of trying to get the word out.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised how little our children knew about this

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Speaker 2: case because they get their news from TikTok.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised when wasn't didn't even know that the

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Speaker 1: war with Iran had started, right because she looks at tickets,

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Speaker 1: though I know it's the first thing she does when

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Speaker 2: I just heard word from my ninety year old that

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Speaker 2: obviously the Guthrie is trying to reach just about anybody

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Speaker 2: and everybody. And yes, the days were it's surprising it

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Speaker 2: to get it back dooring it through Google, I believe,

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Speaker 2: day February tenth. You and I both thought, that's it.

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Speaker 2: It's a matter of hours, days at most, before we

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I thought that was going that the hours.

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Speaker 2: Nothing? And they actually detained someone that day and we

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Speaker 2: seen the video. A door dash driver who was very believable,

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Speaker 2: He didn't even know who Savannah Guthrie was. He didn't

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Speaker 2: even know that Nancy Guthrie had been kidnapped. It was

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Speaker 2: pretty obvious when he spoke to reporters on his front

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Speaker 2: looking for. Yes, and they investigated neighbors homes, They questioned

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Speaker 2: people and released them. They had vehicles impounded. Bottom line.

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Speaker 2: After all of that, even unknown DNA found in gloves

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Speaker 2: then finally we got word that investigators had at least

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the family people were poying the finger, in particular

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Speaker 1: that was unfair and that was wrong. And fine, the

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Speaker 2: And that's nothing out of the ordinary. And I think

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Speaker 2: You immediately look at the people who last saw your victim,

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Speaker 2: then after that there really wasn't any movement. And this

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Speaker 2: the Guthries are offering a one million dollar reward. We

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Speaker 2: get this video, Savannah acknowledges, Yes, Mom might be gone,

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Speaker 2: Mom might be dead, We still want to know, we

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Speaker 2: still want to recover her are you surprised. Yes, we

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Speaker 2: heard about all the tips, but nothing silence. And you'd

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Speaker 1: I mean, somebody needs to or try to. How do

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Speaker 1: how do you have a transaction in which we cannot

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Speaker 2: It seems unlikely. And I look at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, the Guthrie family had and has done everything

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Speaker 2: they could possibly do. They have kept the story alive

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Speaker 2: for a month, they have offered an exorbitant amount of money,

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Speaker 2: They've had so many folks dedicate their time and resources

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Speaker 1: I lean towards You have to lean towards money, because

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Speaker 1: nobody just takes eighty four year old women who need

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Speaker 2: And then when money is offered and there is no response,

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Speaker 2: from here? And we know there obviously are questions, and

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Speaker 2: there are stories that never have answers. And most of

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Speaker 2: to your loved one, you never really get the why.

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Speaker 2: It's rare you get the why. But I know they

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Speaker 2: just want to know the what what happened to Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: And we will of course continue to follow the story.

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Speaker 2: Anything that rises to the level we will of course

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Speaker 2: pass along to you. We aren't going to do daily

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Speaker 2: If something big happens, we will be on it. But

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Speaker 2: certainly it was important to at least acknowledge that it's

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Speaker 2: been exactly one month since Nancy Guthrie was reported missing

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Speaker 2: and we certainly hope that the Guthries get an answer

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Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. And with that everyone, thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside DJ Holmes. We

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Speaker 2: will talk to you soon