1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am grateful today 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: to be joined by Vice President Mike Pence and his 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: daughter Charlotte Pence to talk about the book they wrote 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: together called Go Home for Dinner My Dad and I. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: This book is like really important to me because my 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: dad and I had a very close relationship and this 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: interview means a lot to me because I lost my 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: dad to cancer last year and he was also someone 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: who believed that it was very important to go home 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: for dinner, and I wanted to share a little story 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: about that because sometimes you don't realize when you're a 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: little kid that this is happening. You know, you don't 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: always know what the behind the scenes of your parents is. 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: But when I was older, I worked with my dad. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: I had the blessing of being able to work with 16 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: him for many years. And one of the guys that 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: he worked with had worked with him when we lived 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: in Illinois and was one of his vice presidents at 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: the time, and so my dad we lived in Illinois, 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: in the suburbs of Chicago, and my dad had to 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: every week go to a facto in Kiekuk, Iowa. And 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: when I was so you know, that was when I 23 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: was a kid. And then when I was in my 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: twenties and thirties, I was working with one of the 25 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: guys that worked with him in Iowa and he told 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: me this story. He said, you know, your dad was 27 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: such a bore and it was meant to be a 28 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: huge insult to me. And I could tell. We were 29 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: on a business trip, and he said, we used to 30 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: have to go to Iowa and we would go out 31 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: every night, and your dad would always go home. He 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 1: would make that five hour drive home because he always 33 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: said it was more important to be home than it 34 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: was to be out with the guys, bonding with the team, 35 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: and it was really important to us that he'd be 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: bonding with the team. And it was like this moment 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: where I thought, that was my dad. It was so 38 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: important for him to be with us that he would 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: definitely take that five hour drive at night to make 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: sure that in the morning he was there when we 41 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: woke up. And I read this, I was I was 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: looking at some of the stories in this book and 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: it just reminded me so much of that story. And 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I think that it's beautiful because living in a family 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: focused household is important, and right now we see that 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: there's a breakdown in society on that too many people 47 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: are not living in that family focused household and we 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: have moms and dads both working life gets in the 49 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: way and people go, well, I'll make that quality time, 50 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: but I don't have that quantity time available to my kids. 51 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: And really it's both that matter, and so I want 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: to bring in Vice President Mike Pens and his daughter 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: Charlotte to talk about how that quantity time meant so 54 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: much in their relationship and talk about their book, Go 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Home for Dinners. Welcome to the podcast. I appreciate you 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: being here. 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, well, thank you, tutor. I almost feel like we 58 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: ought to just sign off after that moving opening and 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: our sympathies in the passing of your father sounds like 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: a wonderful well. Thank you reminds me a lot of 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: my fault. Was a salesman, helped build a small business 62 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: in a small town, but had the same practice wherever 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: he was at the end of a sales day, he 64 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: was driving home and it was at the dinner table. 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: And when we got the idea for this book, it 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: came from an answer I used to give people back 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: when I was in Congress for twelve years. People would 68 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: sometimes come up to me after I'd started to show 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: up on the house floor more often and on cable television, 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: they'd asked that flattering question, which is where do you 71 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: see yourself in five years? You've gotten that question before, 72 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: and because everybody Washington's got a plan, right, well, I 73 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: would always answer it the same way. I'd say where 74 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: do I see myself in five years? I'd say home 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: for dinner. Because I never needed to be motivated to 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: want to make a difference in the world. I never 77 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: need to be motivated to work hard. But I learned 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: early on, and we try and write about it in 79 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: this book, some hard lessons along the way, early unsuccessful 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: efforts at politics, that I became convicted, both in my 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: faith and through my upbringing that I needed to really 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: put my family first. But in doing that, I think 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: it's really enabled us to do the things that we've 84 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: been able to do. But the joy of being able 85 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: to write this with my daughter, who is the best 86 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: writer in the family by far, was a particular joy 87 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: for me. So thanks for having us on here in 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: your story. 89 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, that was why I thought this was so 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: neat because when my dad came to me years ago. 91 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean this was early two thousand. He came to 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: me and he said, I'm buying a foundery in Michigan, 93 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: and I want you to come there and work with me. 94 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: And my first reaction was, no way. There is no 95 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: way I'm going to work with you. Because families work together, 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: they fight, it's going to be a disaster. I'm not 97 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: doing it. And my dad is a great salesman. So 98 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: he finally got convinced to me to do this, and 99 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: it was the best experience that those ten year of 100 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: working together. It was so cool because you don't necessarily 101 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: when you're in the household, you don't necessarily see the 102 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: hard work that your parents are doing, because you see 103 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: the parent and not the worker. And I got to 104 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: see him in his element in what he did that 105 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: impacted the world, which was making steel castings for all 106 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: of this equipment we use every day, whether it's a 107 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: train or a tractor, it's impacting your life. And I 108 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: feel like Charlotte, you had the same experience. You got 109 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: to see your dad and see how his heart worked 110 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: for his service and what he did to impact the 111 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: world every day. What was that like for you to 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: kind of delve deep, especially at a time where you're 113 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: still in the spotlight, and it's a tough spotlight right now, 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: a very tough spotlight. So, as daughter, what's it like 115 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: to go through that? 116 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny because I really relate to 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: what you said that, you know, you don't necessarily know 118 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: what your parents are doing while they're raising you. At 119 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: the same time, you're just kind of seeing that and 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: that's kind of your normal. 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: So I do think my dad. 122 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: Has said in interviews since we've been doing promotions for 123 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: the book, that you know, it was hard for him 124 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: to like, it was hard to go home for dinner, 125 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 3: It was hard to be with his family. 126 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't really hard to work hard. 127 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: And I don't think I really knew that as a kid, 128 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's a testament to him and my 129 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: mom and and kind of the culture that they built 130 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: in our family, that family did come first. It didn't 131 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: seem like a burden to him to be with us 132 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: on Sundays and you know, coming home from dinner when 133 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: he could, and also taking us with him on trips 134 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: we got to go and kind of see him working 135 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: and going on trips as a congressman, which that was 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: just a cool thing to be able to do as 137 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: a kid. I think writing the book especially was impactful 138 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: for me because of the time that I'm at in 139 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: my life too. I just have had my first daughter, 140 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: my first kid, my daughter, and she really lined up 141 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: with this book. We started writing it right before she 142 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: was born, and it just was a good reminder all 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: the time for me to put her first, put my 144 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: husband first, over even this book, because I felt like 145 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: I couldn't go out and do these interviews later and 146 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: publish the book and be talking about how, oh yeah, 147 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: it's important for you to put your family first. If 148 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: I wrote the book and totally ignored my husband and 149 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: my daughter, I just felt like that would be hypocritical. 150 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: So I really tried to like focus on her as 151 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: much as I could, you know, and when she was 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: awake in the newborn stage, they're not awake for very 153 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: long periods of time. But I tried to really focus 154 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: on her and just be there when she needed me, 155 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: and you know, sometimes that was inconvenient, and so I 156 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: think that that that was just something that I think. 157 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: I think lining this book lined up well with my 158 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: life in particular right now and being able to work 159 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: on it with my dad as he's reflecting on raising 160 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: us with my mom, which is really cool. 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, so go ahead. 162 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, excuse me, I you you took some convincing 163 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: to head to the foundry with your dad. It actually 164 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: was the other way around for me. My daughter's very 165 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: modest has the best selling children's book under her belt. 166 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: She writes for The Daily Wire on a regular basis. 167 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: I wrote a book about our family when I was 168 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: Vice president and as a very accomplished writer, but she 169 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: was eight months pregnant when this book was getting started, 170 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: and as a dad, I just struggled with asking her 171 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: to do it. And I really, I really commend her 172 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: because she she lived out that balance. I mean literally, 173 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: there were there were times we were working on the 174 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: book in a setting just like this. She in California 175 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: where her husband is stationed with me and Indiana, and 176 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: she had that little baby on her lap. But she 177 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: worked out that balance and it just made the whole 178 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: experience more special for us. But I hope people when 179 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: they read this book, though, come away with hopefully a 180 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: smile on their face. I hope they come away with 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: a sense that we don't think we have all the answers. 182 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: But we really do believe that faith makes a family, 183 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: and family makes a life, and as we put a 184 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: priority on our faith and on our families, will be 185 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: blessed well. 186 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: And that's one thing that I did want to go 187 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: through because faith is obviously a big theme in this book, 188 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: the major theme in this book, and it should be 189 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: the major theme in our lives. But for a lot 190 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: of people, a lot of folks have drifted away from faith. 191 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: But sometimes I think someone could read something like this 192 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: and say it's too much. So I do have to ask, 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: were there ever moments? Because I've had this experience, So 194 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: maybe I just want you to say, yeah, that's okay. 195 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, but were there ever moments in life 196 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: as you were raising the kids where you did get 197 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: pulled away and you had because I have those moments 198 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: where you know you're campaigning and you can't be home. 199 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gone and you come home. And I've 200 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: had my girls. Now my girls are I have twins 201 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: that are ten and then twelve and fourteen. So they're 202 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: all at ages where they're willing to tell you whatever 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: they think of you at any moment, right, and they're 204 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: not shy about it, But I've had those moments where 205 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: they've said you're never home, you don't love us, and 206 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: you get convicted and you're like, Okay, I've screwed up 207 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: and I've got to fix this. I mean, for those 208 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: imperfect people who are reading this and say, I can't 209 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: achieve that, were there ever moments where that happened to 210 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: something similar happened to you and you said, I've got 211 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: to recalibrate here and get back. 212 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: Well before Charlotte answers it with specificity, yes, of course, 213 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: I hope this comes across as aspirational, because you know, 214 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: I was a congressman for twelve years, I was a 215 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: governor for four and as vice President of the United States. 216 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: My life and became increasingly complex, the obligations and duties. 217 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: But what I hope people pick up is that there's 218 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: there are decisions that you make along the way that 219 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: will will make it more possible for you to spend 220 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: more time with your family than you would have otherwise. 221 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: In our case, Tutor, when we were elected to Congress, 222 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: we we actually our kids were young, Charlotte, you were 223 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: about eight years old. I think we moved our young 224 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: family to Washington, d C. To be with me during 225 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: the school year and then move. You know, they spent 226 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: summers home here in Indiana. But that was all about 227 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: when you talk about your kids being willing to tell 228 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: you what they think. I used to say to people, 229 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: you know, I could come back from Capitol Hill and 230 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: maybe having had a meeting with President Bush and maybe 231 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 2: done an inn view on cable television, feeling pretty good 232 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: about myself, and I'd walk into a little house where 233 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: there were four people that had no respect for me whatsoever. 234 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: That's so true. My family was there with us. We 235 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: stayed together. And in this book we also try and 236 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: say that when you when you're able to be there, 237 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: be there. But Charlotte, Charlotte can tell you how it 238 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: actually worked out in real life for us. But it 239 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: was it was always the goal, but it happened in 240 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: a very busy life, didn't it. Shark. 241 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that there's Yeah. 242 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: When we were writing this book, we really didn't want 243 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: it to come across like, oh, great, Mike Pence was 244 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: home for dinner, like good for you, like fence, like 245 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: I can't do that every night? And no, I mean, 246 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: of course there were nights he wasn't home for dinner. 247 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean, but the idea was that he tried to 248 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: be home for dinner, and that we knew he wanted 249 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: to be home for dinner. So I think that's even 250 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: more important is municating that that was never a question. 251 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: It was never I never thought he would rather be 252 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: off doing some you know, meeting or interview or something. 253 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: I knew he wanted to be with us and still 254 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: know that. And I also think, I mean, when we 255 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 3: were writing as well, we really tried to include other 256 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: options for families and just kind of get the message 257 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: across of the sentiment behind being home for dinner. My 258 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: husband's in the military, and so there are lots of 259 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: nights he's not home for dinner. So we kind of 260 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: spoke about that early on. We wanted to make sure 261 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: people knew, you know, if you work the night shift, 262 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: if you're in the military, if you you know, have 263 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: late nights, it's that doesn't mean you're a bad parent. 264 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: It's just getting across that message to your kids that 265 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: you want to be there and that they come first 266 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: over your job. So sometimes you are going to have 267 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: decisions that you can make that put them first, and 268 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: it might come at a loss in your career, but 269 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: that wi ultimately be worth it. 270 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 271 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Do you think that comes with 272 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: maturity though, too, because I think over time, when you're 273 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: first starting out your career, you feel like, I've got 274 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: to be there for everything. You talk about a time 275 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: when you had the opportunity to meet with President Bush, 276 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: or you could go to a violin concert and it 277 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: was Charlotte's violin concert and you chose the concert. And 278 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: I think that I think that comes not only with faith, 279 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: but maturity and faith that you can say I can 280 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: step away from this and put something else first. That 281 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: doesn't just happen at the beginning of life, does it. 282 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: Well, it didn't happen at the beginning of my life, 283 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: I promise you. We you know I grew up in 284 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: a great family. Sounds an awful lot like yours. Tutor 285 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: really tryes my My father's gone thirty years, but it's 286 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: any comfort to you. He's still the biggest part of 287 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: my life today as he was a he left us, 288 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: and we got a line in the book that good 289 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: fathers never leave you the pain thing, but never the 290 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: impact and the memories but I had a great foundation 291 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: in my life. But to be honest with you, even 292 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: after I came to faith in Jesus Christ as a 293 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: freshman in college, once I got out in the world, 294 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: got out of law school, I hit the campaign trail. 295 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: As a twenty nine year old. I ran a couple 296 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: of times for Congress, and I ended up I ended 297 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: up really running campaigns. Ultimately I wasn't proud of. And 298 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: I think part of that was a balance in our lives. 299 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: It was in the course of those campaigns, as I 300 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: wrote about in my autobiography, that we came to the 301 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: conclusion that even in the midst of busy campaigns, we 302 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: need to take Sunday for our family. We need to rest. 303 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: And I can honestly tell you that all the way 304 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: through my service as a governor of Indiana and as 305 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: Vice President, we always carved out a Sunday morning for church. 306 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: We carved out a Sunday afternoons for rest or refreshmen 307 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: be with family whenever we could. But those were hard 308 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: lessons that we learned, and I learned them through disappointment 309 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: in my own life and through losses in defeats in 310 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: my public career. But as we write about in the 311 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: book about about the middle nineteen nineties, when the kids 312 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: had just come along, I'd come across a very powerful 313 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: verse in the Bible that essentially essentially encouraged us to 314 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: leave to God whatever his purpose was for us, and 315 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: to recognize that my primary calling in life is to 316 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: be the husband and father that He's called me to be. That, 317 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: as it says in Genesis eighteen nineteen, God to fulfill 318 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: his purpose for us if we see to the members 319 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: of our own household. That's where we put faith first 320 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: this book, and I I hope it's a blessing to people, 321 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: whatever their faith tradition. 322 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: I think it's important to have this conversation about faith 323 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: because people who are new to faith or outside of 324 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: that faith group in their lives but curious. I think 325 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: that they think Christians want you to come in and 326 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: immediately be faithful. And I think sometimes Christians mature in 327 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: their faith are like, this is the way to live, 328 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: live it now. But you just said something powerful to me. 329 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: This was when you were a senior in high school 330 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: and then your faith grew. Faith is a journey. Everybody 331 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: is on a different part of that journey, and it 332 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: takes time. I mean, there needs to be grace for 333 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: people who are exploring faith and coming to faith. Why 334 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: do you think so many people think Christians are like 335 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you're either in or you're out. Why is that impression 336 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: out there? 337 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: Well, well, Charlotte, I'm going to pitch it to her 338 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: because she inspired a chapter of this book, in particular 339 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: from great work she's done on them we Shouldn't Fear 340 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: Our Doubts. I mean, she and I both came to 341 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: faith in Christ through doubts, through literally walking away from faith. 342 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: But but Charlotte, you're we both write about our own journey. 343 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: But but she's she's done some very eloquent work on 344 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: that very question. 345 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: We all thanks, I mean we we do. 346 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: We do have a chapter that's called Don't Fear Your Doubts, 347 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: and it's kind of a testimony chapter. It includes our 348 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: both of our testimonies, really and I really like. 349 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: That it's in there. 350 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: I did a podcast a couple of years ago that 351 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: was called Doubting It, and I interviewed people about their 352 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: faith journey, but kind of asked them about specifically, you know, 353 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: when they had doubts. And I felt like a lot 354 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: of people in our generation, in my generation the kind 355 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: of when I came out of grad school, I felt 356 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: like a lot of people really struggled in their faith 357 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: because maybe they had never not been encouraged to doubt, 358 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: but had never been allowed to doubt their faith, and 359 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: they just kind of were told this is the way 360 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: it is, and if you don't question it, and then 361 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: when they go into the world and there are questions 362 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: thrown at them, they don't really know how to answer it. 363 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: And it's extremely unnerving. A lot of times people will 364 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: lose their faith, and so I wanted to kind of 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: explore that, and so when we wrote that chapter, it 366 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: was it was important, I think for us to get 367 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: across that both of us had doubts and both of 368 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: us had to kind of push away our faith, maybe 369 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: not walk away from it, but kind of push it away, 370 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: kind of not be as interested, kind of do our 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: own thing and think that we could just go off. 372 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 4: And you know, not really follow Christ. And at least 373 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: that was my exity of your own power, right. 374 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I kind of came back around and 375 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: my dad kind of talks about his journey too, and 376 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: and I like the end of the chapter talks about 377 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: you know, if you if you do have doubt. Follow 378 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 3: it through, you know, see where it leads you, because 379 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: you know God will answer our questions. I mean that's 380 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: in the Bible. That's asking, you will receive and so 381 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: if you do seek the answers, you will find them. 382 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: So that's that's something that we want to get across 383 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: in this book too, and and again not have it 384 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: come across like a cookie cutter, you know, perfect Christian book. 385 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: There are even times actually when we're ready. 386 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 3: And I would use a word and my dad would 387 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: actually say, we got to find a different word because 388 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: that's like a Christianese word that's. 389 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: Like we want to do you don't everybody? Yeah, I 390 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: love that because you know living it. 391 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you live it, and you don't realize that that 392 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: is something that could turn someone off or make them 393 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: make it so that they have like kind of that block. 394 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: You know, some people's hearts have that block around them, 395 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: and we are meant to not build that block, but 396 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: to break that block. And that's been something that I 397 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: think I've seen so many people since I because I 398 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: told my faith story on this podcast just a few 399 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: days ago, so folks that are listening regularly know that 400 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: I also came to faith when I was older, and 401 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: I just see those roadblocks and I know where the 402 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: other side is pushing to break down faith. And so 403 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: I think it is really important for parents to read 404 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: this because what you just said, I think is so 405 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: key that you can doubt and as parents we can 406 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: let our kids out. Because I have so many parents 407 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: who are like my kid went to college, and I 408 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: think we're seeing this right now, what we're seeing at 409 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: colleges with the anti Israel message, a lot of parents 410 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: are panicking. And I think that the panic is the 411 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: right word, because if you think your child is going 412 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: to be on a path that doesn't lead to eternal life, 413 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: then you can panic, and panic can lead you to 414 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: do the wrong things. The idea of talking to your 415 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: child and saying, hey, this is okay, take that journey, 416 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: but actually take the journey. That's something that I don't 417 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: think we always think about is telling them to take 418 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: the journey of doubt because we want them to take 419 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: the journey of faith. 420 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlotte ca remember that she. I think it was 421 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: Ralph Waldo Emerson. We quote him in the book that 422 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: most men lead lives of quiet desperation, that they live 423 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: in between faith and doubt, and they never they have 424 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: a lot of times people never embrace those issues. I 425 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: thought the way Charlotte just expressed it, and that we 426 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: express it in the book is intended to say, come on, 427 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: go ahead, don't don't live between and for Karen and me, 428 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: we always believed in letting our kids, training our children 429 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: up in the way they should go, sharing our faith 430 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: with our kids. But we always believed that we want 431 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: to raise kids a thing for themselves. And I think 432 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: they knew that from early on that we would love 433 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: them regardless and respect them. But the one of the 434 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: things in this book and is there's a couple of 435 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: chapters in there about falling short, and they're not about Charlotte. 436 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: I told her, how come we're not writing about where 437 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: you fell short? 438 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: You can see where you fell short, and she can 439 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: see it. 440 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: I was governor of Indiana, and I was all caught 441 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: up in my very very first few months as governor 442 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: of this great state, and I had a big speech scheduled, 443 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: and my wife had a health issue, and I made 444 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: just a very poor decision not to drop everything I 445 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 2: was doing and go by her side, but to go 446 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: to a big event. And I didn't want two thousand people, 447 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: you know, waiting not hearing my remarks, and it was 448 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: just a tutor. It was just a fundamentally bad decision. 449 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: My wife, because she's an incredible person, has forgiven me 450 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: long ago for it. But I'm not. I'm sure I've 451 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: forgiven myself. And so I hope, like I said, I 452 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: hope people. I hope people read this book and maybe 453 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: get a smile. You know, there's some chapters in there 454 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: that are meant just and you know, let you know 455 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: that we don't take ourselves too seriously. But I hope 456 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: also they pick up a sense of humility about this 457 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: whole business. Thirty eight years married, we don't have it 458 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: all figured out. We're parents are three incredible young men women, 459 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: and they have great spouses and three perfect granddaughters. Other 460 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: than that, we we're learning as we go here. And 461 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: but for us, it ultimately is I hope people might 462 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: be able to read this book and just and see 463 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: that in the busy, workaday life and we've lived in that, 464 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: if you put your faith in your family first, she'll 465 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: be blessed. 466 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 467 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Anyone who has run for office. 468 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: I can tell you knows that your wife is a 469 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: very forgiving person because you've run several times and that 470 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: is hard. But you actually talk about her being forgiving 471 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: in the book and from Charlotte's perspective. So I have 472 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: to ask, because you write a chapter on being together 473 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: on January sixth, it was a very hard day. And 474 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: I want to say for folks who are critical of 475 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: January sixth, about six months after, I was meeting with 476 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: a congressman who had been in the building on January sixth, 477 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: and this man who was such a strong guy and 478 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: you would never you would never think that something could 479 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: get to him, you know, it's just such a tough 480 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: I sat across from me. They had been in hearings 481 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: with the whole Nancy Pelosi Committee and all of that, 482 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: and I sat down with him and he said, I 483 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: don't think that people realized what it was for us 484 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: that day because we don't see the outside. We didn't 485 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: see what was happening. We were told there were people coming. 486 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: And he said, I remember having just a knife in 487 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: my pocket. And he started to cry, and he said, 488 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: we put one of the desks, we got under the desk, 489 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: and I thought I'll probably not see my kids again, 490 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: but I'll try to protect everybody in this room because 491 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: he said we didn't know what was happening, And I 492 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: think people don't hear the perspective of the folks that 493 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening on the outside that day, 494 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: that didn't have the perspective that you have when you're 495 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: watching it on TV. And I thought that was you know, 496 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: for a moment, it took me back where I thought, 497 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: it's just something I didn't know. And this is someone 498 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: who couldn't make a phone call, couldn't say goodbye, didn't 499 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: know what happening. I think people think, well, that's ridiculous, 500 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad, But for the people in that 501 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: room that day, it was bad. And you were obviously 502 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: in an incredibly tough position that day. And since then 503 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: there has been a lot that has come your way 504 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: and folks that have set out, well, we don't agree 505 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: with what he did. And I know what that's like 506 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: as a person who stood there and been the person 507 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: that they criticized, But for my kids, I don't know 508 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: what that's like. So Charlotte, you had a moment where 509 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: you got mad and your mom had some really interesting 510 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: advice for you, which I think is powerful and people 511 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: should hear it. So would you be willing to share that? 512 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you picked up and you picked 513 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: that actually from that chapter because it's kind of a 514 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: small part of the chapter, but it's actually really impactful. 515 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 3: So I do write one chapter in the book. It's 516 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 3: the last chapter, and the directive in it. I guess 517 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: it's called stay, and it's about staying with your family 518 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: when things get tough. So I, my mom and I 519 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: were at the capital with my dad on January sixth. 520 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: Obviously you didn't know what was going to happen. We 521 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: knew it would be kind of a tough day, though. 522 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: It was going to be kind of weird because of 523 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: everything that was in the news, and it was going 524 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: to be kind of hard for him. I mean, he jokes, 525 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: you know, he says, I was also on the ballot, 526 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: so it's not like, you know, fun for me to like, 527 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: you know, get to somebody else, give the wind to 528 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: someone else. So we were just going to go and support him, 529 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: and then things kind of started happening. You can read 530 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: about it in the book. I kind of detail how 531 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: we ended up going down to more of a secure 532 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: location away from the office that was like right near 533 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 3: the Senate chambers, and yeah, I did. 534 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 4: We are watching I. 535 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: Think most of the most of the information we got 536 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: was from Twitter, and I was on Twitter and other 537 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 3: people were kind of looking at Twitter because obviously we 538 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: didn't have a TV or anything. We didn't really know 539 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: either of what was going on, and we were getting 540 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: some information but mostly looking online. And I talked about 541 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: the former president and I said, it's unforgivable. I said, like, 542 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: this is unforgivable, basically to my mom, and she kind 543 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: of corrected me and essentially told me, you know, nothing 544 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: is unforgivable, like you can't say that. And it did 545 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: really convict me because later on in the days that followed, 546 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: I really did have to work through forgiving him, forgiving 547 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: other people that were involved that I had been friends with, 548 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: very close with, and I fell had put my dad 549 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: at risk, and you know, and I'd say in the 550 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: book too, like I that day, January sixth, was a 551 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: very unifying day. 552 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 4: You know. 553 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: I got texts from lots of people in my life 554 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: who were encouraging on that day. 555 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: And then since then it just became. 556 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: Still politicized like you were just alluding to and very political, 557 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: and I think people took it very personally, but at 558 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: the time it was pretty unifying. I mean, everybody was 559 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: pretty upset that that was happening in America. And I 560 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: do think that it was something that it taught me. 561 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: My mom saying that to me was first of all, 562 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: very a very good mom moment, that something I needed 563 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: to hear. And I don't I mean, I admire her 564 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: for so many reasons, but especially for having the clarity 565 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: of mine to still parent me in my you know, 566 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 3: twenty eight year old twenty nine year old self in 567 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: like a you know, hiding spot on January since saying no, 568 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: you don't decide who's forgiven, and. 569 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: That was just really true. 570 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: And and you know, we're commanded in the Bible to forgive, 571 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 3: as the Lord forgave you first of all, so I 572 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 3: am commanded to forgive. But I really believe that, you like, 573 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: there have been times in my life where I've really 574 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: had to ask God for his forgiveness for people, you know, 575 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: because I think really as human beings, it's nearly impossible 576 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 3: for us to forgive on our own when we are 577 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: wronged or hurt and It's something that I just think 578 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: is just, I don't know, just an important message to 579 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: kind of get across that you can ask for this 580 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: and and and being able to forgive someone the way 581 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: that we have been forgiven. It is something we're supposed 582 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 3: to do, and it's a hard thing to do. I 583 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: do remember days after like journaling and trying to like 584 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: work through this because it was a really tough thing. 585 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 4: My dad is my hero. 586 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: I the way you talk about your dad, obviously you have. 587 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: The same feelings. 588 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: I mean, to have somebody do something that I felt 589 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: put them at risk, I mean, you can't even I 590 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: can't even talk about yet how that would make me feeling, 591 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: how it made me feel at the time, and having 592 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 3: to forgive and working through that was something I really 593 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: had to do, and I do have to pray about it, 594 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: and it's not something that comes naturally. It's not something 595 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: that's easy. But I had to remember even in that 596 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: moment that I don't decide who's forgiven, and nothing is 597 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: unforgivable by me, you know. 598 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: And I think the interesting thing that you learn in 599 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: those times were when it's very hard, is that forgiveness 600 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: is freeing if you can get there because the cage 601 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: of unforgiveness is only holding you in, it's not holding 602 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: the person that you're not forgiving in. And yeah, that's 603 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: that's the problem. And I think that I want to 604 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: ask thank you, mister Vice President, because obviously this is 605 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: hard for you as well. You write in the book 606 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: about your passion is to serve and that you dreamt 607 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: one day of being president yourself. It would have been 608 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: a lot easier to get there had you decided I'm 609 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: going to throw things out, make sure we're in office, 610 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to make sure that we serve another 611 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: four years to heck with the constitution. I'll do what 612 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: I can and see if I can then get there. 613 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: But it wasn't. You knew that wasn't the step to take. 614 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: You knew that, and you knew it was going to 615 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: hurt your image with people. But you still have this 616 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: passion to go out there and serve. Do you see 617 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: another opportunity for you to go out there and bring 618 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: the people to your side and one day run again 619 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: for president. 620 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we'd like to stay at our house too. 621 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: We don't like twenty years younger than the candidates out 622 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: there now. So sixty that's young r. 623 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: Well, we like say, we don't know what the future holds, 624 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: but we know who holds the future. And I appreciate 625 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: your generous words. It's you know, look, there were voting 626 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: irregularities that took place. I was very clear about my 627 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 2: conviction about that, but I also also knew what my 628 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: duty was under the constitution that day, the oath that 629 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: I'd taken in January twenty seventeen to support the Constitution 630 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: of the United States, the role of the vice President 631 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 2: simply to preside over a joint session of Congress where 632 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 2: Michigan's electoral votes Indiana's electoral votes will be opened and counted. 633 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: And we did that. You know, I often thought in 634 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 2: those days leading up to January sixth. Psalm fifteen says 635 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: he keeps his oath even when it hurts, And to 636 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: your point, I know something about that. But over the 637 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 2: last several years I've had I've been so moved, even 638 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 2: during our recent campaign for president this summer, how many 639 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 2: people have come up and expressed appreciation and support for 640 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 2: what we did. But the reason that stays the last 641 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: chapter of this book is more about my daughter and 642 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: my wife than it is about about me. I mean, 643 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know that Karen and Charlotte 644 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: were there the whole time, that they were there till 645 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: four in the morning, when the constitutional process was concluded, 646 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: because they wouldn't leave. They I had had a deep 647 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: conviction that I was not going to leave my post. 648 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 2: I made a decision to stay at the Capitol. I 649 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: thought I could facilitate a response by law enforcement to 650 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 2: quell the violence, to move the process forward if I 651 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: stayed in the building. But in all fairness, I did 652 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: encourage Charlotte and her mother to go back to the 653 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: Vice President's residents, and they refused. It was one of 654 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: the greatest gifts that they'd ever given me, was it. 655 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: They just stayed and you know when? And Charlotte ended 656 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: that chapter, which she wrote every word of, and she 657 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: also dictated it on the audio version of the book, 658 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: UH in a very moving way. She just said, you 659 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: know when, when, when, when trouble is at the door, 660 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: in the midst of everything else, when it comes to 661 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: your family, just stay be with one another. And I 662 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 2: hope beyond the controversy that day, I hope, I hope 663 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 2: that's an enduring lesson for people, because it's It's been 664 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: one of the keys that our family, through thick and thin, 665 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: through hardship, through loss, had been there with each other. 666 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 2: And I hope that I hope people come away with 667 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: that conclusion In the book as well, I'll also tell 668 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 2: you finally, Tutor, that you know, this isn't a policy book. 669 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: I've got a lot of public policy in my other book, 670 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: reflect on my journey as a conservative leader. But at 671 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: the end, Charlotte and I wrote in the epilogue my 672 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 2: belief that that you know, the family is in free 673 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: fall in this country. I mean it was about the 674 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: time I was born, you know. You know, one in 675 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: ten households had just one occupant. Now that it's about 676 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 2: a third of American households today only have one parent 677 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 2: or one person living alone. You know, the Bible says 678 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: God puts the lonely in families. And so many times 679 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: people have come up to me over the years and said, boy, 680 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: other than supporting candidates, you know, like like Tutor Dixon 681 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: and yourself and other people that I believe, other than 682 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 2: supporting candidates and donating time and resources, what can I do? 683 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 2: And I hope they come away with a conclusion they 684 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: can go home for dinner, that you know if you 685 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: want to. I actually think the key for really renewing 686 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: our nation is closer to the dinner table than it 687 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 2: is to any any any table or podium in our nation. 688 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 2: It's capital, it's Collecting the right people is vitally important. 689 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 2: Passing the right laws, respecting our liberties, our values absolutely essential. 690 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: But underneath all of that is the family and the 691 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: vitality of the family. And I want to thank you 692 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: for being such a clary and voice for family and 693 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: for life over the years. I think we renew that. Then, 694 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm confident we save the family. We'll save America if 695 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: we go home for dinner. 696 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: I think that that's how people vote for the right 697 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: people when the family is strong. I mean, I do. 698 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 4: I agree. 699 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,959 Speaker 1: It is the foundation that everything else is built upon, 700 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: and that foundation of family is built on faith. So 701 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: I love this. I want to say that I want 702 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: people to go get this book. It is called Go 703 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: Home for Dinner, because this is the time this season 704 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: where a lot of people feel lost and lonely in 705 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: the holiday season, even though family is around. This is 706 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: how you can make that experience rich, make it rich 707 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: and enriched the people around you by reading this and 708 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: refocusing that, but beyond this book, because this book is 709 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: something that you wrote with your daughter, and I think 710 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: people could go, well, that was his daughter. I want 711 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: people to know that throughout my campaign and since I 712 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: met you, you have always taken time and that is 713 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: something that you just kind of know when you're with 714 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: someone that this is someone who genuinely cares. And I 715 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: want you to know how much I have appreciated it. 716 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: No matter when it's been, whether it's me seeing you 717 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: in the airport or seeing you at an event, you 718 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: stop and you talk and you ask how I am, 719 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: and you ask how things are going, and you're willing 720 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: to give me advice. And the other thing is this 721 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: man was the vice president of the United States, and 722 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: if I call, he picks up the phone and he 723 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: talks to me, and he genuinely cares. So I think 724 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: it's beautiful that your daughter has been able to say 725 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: these wonderful things about you, But I think people should 726 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: know that it's because it comes from place of truth, 727 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: because you really are a genuine person who is there 728 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: to help others. And I appreciate that so much and 729 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: I am so thankful to you. Vice President Mike Pence 730 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 1: and your daughter, Charlotte Pence Bond. Thank you for coming 731 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: on today and talking about it. 732 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, great to be with you, Thanks. 733 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: For having thank you, thank you, and thank you all 734 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this 735 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: episode and others, go to Tutor disonpodcast dot com. You 736 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: can subscribe right there, or head over to the iHeartRadio app, 737 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join 738 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a 739 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: blessed day.