Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day, Chris Harrison Lauren Zema coming to you
Speaker 1: from the home office in Austin, Texas on this Mother's Day,
Speaker 1: a day to take pause and think about and think
Speaker 1: the incredible women in our lives who have gotten us
Speaker 1: from there to hear and meant the world to us.
Speaker 2: You know, I got to say I love Mother's Day
Speaker 2: as a holiday. I do too like some holidays, Like
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest Valentine's Day person in the world
Speaker 2: because I kind of feel like if you're in a relationship,
Speaker 2: you probably have an anniversary you do once a year,
Speaker 2: and you know you should be showing each other love
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 3: So what is Valentine's Day for? But Mother's Day?
Speaker 2: I love because while kids should be showing their mom
Speaker 2: love and appreciation day and day out as they're growing up,
Speaker 2: once you leave your home, your mom has still given
Speaker 2: you so much that you've taken.
Speaker 3: With you your whole life.
Speaker 2: That I do love that there's a day now as
Speaker 2: an adult to be able to just really take a
Speaker 2: moment and say thank you to my.
Speaker 1: Mom, or think about them and think about what they've
Speaker 1: imparted upon you and given you. And so this is
Speaker 1: just a day that we wanted to step back because
Speaker 1: we have two incredible moms that we love and adore
Speaker 1: and cherish and so Mary Beth Harrison Donna Zema are
Speaker 1: going to join us today on the show.
Speaker 3: I'm nervous.
Speaker 2: I'm nervous. I don't know what they're gonna say. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna.
Speaker 1: This seemed like a good idea, I know, I'm regretting.
Speaker 3: I'm literally like kind of I know.
Speaker 1: Our producer said, hey, you know, you know it would
Speaker 1: be cute. Let's get let's get your moms on. Let's
Speaker 1: put this up Mother's Day Sunday. This is going to
Speaker 1: be great. So we are doing this Mother's Day edition.
Speaker 1: And yeah, as we are on the precipice of bringing
Speaker 1: our moms on the air, this doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: great idea anymore.
Speaker 3: Who's more honest than a mom?
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I'm afraid of.
Speaker 2: I mean, my mom, I'm hanging out with her. I
Speaker 2: walked out the door and she says, what are you wearing?
Speaker 3: That's horrible.
Speaker 2: You know, she's very honest, So what's she going to say?
Speaker 2: When she's been given the mic.
Speaker 3: That's a question.
Speaker 1: You you're The dynamic with your mom is incredible And
Speaker 1: before she comes on, when you think about your mom,
Speaker 1: what do you think about?
Speaker 2: I think about how she gave me confidence, strength, independence.
Speaker 2: That's the first thing I always go to with my
Speaker 2: mom because though I might like I laugh about the criticism, right,
Speaker 2: but the thing is the criticism over the years prepared
Speaker 2: me for the world. And while she might give her
Speaker 2: opinion on things, my mom also always applauded me on everything,
Speaker 2: told me I'd done a great job, told me I
Speaker 2: was smart. And at the end of the day, what
Speaker 2: do you want more from a parent other than to
Speaker 2: feel loved and for them to make you feel like
Speaker 2: you can go out into the world and succeed. Those
Speaker 2: to me are the two biggest things, and I got
Speaker 2: both of those from my mom.
Speaker 3: So I'm so blessed and grateful.
Speaker 1: When I think of being a parent now that I've
Speaker 1: had my turn at this and still going, but loving
Speaker 1: them as much as you can and being present in
Speaker 1: their lives to me or the other two main columns
Speaker 1: of being a parent. And when I think of my mom,
Speaker 1: she was that she was present and loved me. I
Speaker 1: never didn't feel that love for my family and that
Speaker 1: support from her, and that I could just go out
Speaker 1: and try stuff and push myself and no matter what
Speaker 1: it was, even getting into the crazy world of television,
Speaker 1: she supported that and probably shouldn't have. That's a crazy idea.
Speaker 1: Some kid from Texas who has no links to this
Speaker 1: business is going to go be a sportscaster or newscaster like,
Speaker 1: that's nuts.
Speaker 2: What's interesting is that my mom did not support me
Speaker 2: getting into this at all. So it's kind of amazing
Speaker 2: actually that we're both sitting here that we've had careers
Speaker 2: and we should ask our moms.
Speaker 1: No, No, two roads are the same, and they both worked.
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of it, we both
Speaker 1: felt loved and we both felt that they were present
Speaker 1: in our lives, knew who our friends were, knew what
Speaker 1: we were up to. They were strict yet loving.
Speaker 3: Well should we bring them on?
Speaker 1: Should we do it? Let's push go. So we're going
Speaker 1: to start this with my mom.
Speaker 3: The Queen, the Icon, the Legend, Mary.
Speaker 1: Beth Harrison, the Queen, the Icon, the Legend. Happy Mother's Day, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Happy Mother's Day. Well you started it. Two
Speaker 1: and a half years before me, and you did such
Speaker 1: a bang up job with my brother Glenn. You said,
Speaker 1: you know, let's do this again.
Speaker 4: Let's beat at the flag pole and see what happens.
Speaker 2: All the chances I've already got a launch into interview mode.
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to this, Mary Beth. How
Speaker 2: did you guys decide to have Chris? Was it that
Speaker 2: you wanted to give Glenn a little brother?
Speaker 3: Were you hoping would be.
Speaker 4: We were very specific about it. We wanted them to
Speaker 4: be no more than two and a half years apart.
Speaker 4: And the funny thing is they share a half birthday.
Speaker 4: We celebrate half birthdays in my family. You know, when
Speaker 4: you were one, then you were one and a half,
Speaker 4: and then you were two. Yeah, so we celebrate half birthday.
Speaker 4: So Chris's birthday is Glenn's his brother's half birthday. So
Speaker 4: they are legitimately two and a half years apart.
Speaker 1: Six months to the day.
Speaker 3: There's got to be a parenting award for birth order.
Speaker 1: He crashed it. They're really I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to think about how precise my parents were, but they
Speaker 1: were really precise. That's an image you don't want in
Speaker 1: your head.
Speaker 4: No, and it wasn't planned that way. It just so
Speaker 4: happened that way. But anyway that it worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1: And one thing before I kind of turned it over
Speaker 1: to l Z. You guys were so young, you were babies,
Speaker 1: having babies.
Speaker 4: That's gonna say, children raising children.
Speaker 1: When I think about having gone through what I've gone
Speaker 1: through as a dad, it helped to have years of experience,
Speaker 1: a little money in my pocket, you know, just having
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, a mom and a dad and
Speaker 1: a brother to help support. What was it like for
Speaker 1: you guys, because when you had me, you were twenty
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 4: I honestly, if I had to do it over again,
Speaker 4: I'd do it the same way because I know me
Speaker 4: well enough to know that I am a it's all
Speaker 4: or nothing, and so if I had ever started in
Speaker 4: the workforce, I would have been so focused on that
Speaker 4: that I don't know that I would have been as
Speaker 4: focused as a mother as it was. I didn't go
Speaker 4: to work until you boys were older. I might have
Speaker 4: done some part time stuff. I mean I taught dance
Speaker 4: and exercise for years, but I always did it when
Speaker 4: you were in school. So I was home when you
Speaker 4: were home, and that was really important to me. I
Speaker 4: didn't want someone else raising my children and teaching them
Speaker 4: to say please and thank you. So that was really
Speaker 4: that was important to me. And I had older parents.
Speaker 4: I was the youngest of four, as you know, and
Speaker 4: so my parents were older, and I was always so
Speaker 4: envious of those my friends that had younger parents. And
Speaker 4: so I look back on it, and you know, I
Speaker 4: could keep up with you all like it, and there
Speaker 4: was nothing that we didn't go.
Speaker 1: Do, keep up with us. You lapped us.
Speaker 3: Oh, Mary Beth, I started crying.
Speaker 1: It's funny when you hear her words today sound kind
Speaker 1: of familiar, like I only do things one way. I'm
Speaker 1: all in.
Speaker 3: Oh someone named Chris Harrison.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, Marybeth, I really just started crying.
Speaker 3: I've never heard you say that. That's so to say.
Speaker 2: There's something so powerful about because you know, part of
Speaker 2: your story is okay, I became a mom young.
Speaker 3: And it didn't we didn't plan it that way exactly.
Speaker 2: But to hear you say you would do it all
Speaker 2: over again, the exact same way. What a beautiful perspective
Speaker 2: to look back and think. But I was all in
Speaker 2: and I had all this focus.
Speaker 4: When you raise two boys that came out as great.
Speaker 4: And you know, I always say they survived to spite me.
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't it one like I had a
Speaker 4: book or anything. But I had great role models as
Speaker 4: you your dad, and I. I had my parents to
Speaker 4: look up to, which was a house full of love.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I was raised. I laughingly said this
Speaker 4: to someone yesterday. I was raised somewhere between Leave It
Speaker 4: to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet. If you remember those
Speaker 4: old shows, it was, you know that quote unquote perfect childhood.
Speaker 4: It wasn't until I got to college that I realized people,
Speaker 4: everyone doesn't live like that. Everyone doesn't have that kind
Speaker 4: of life. And so I had a phenomenal example. And
Speaker 4: you know, sadly, we only know what we know. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're raised how we're raised, and we only know what
Speaker 4: we know. And so if we know love, then we
Speaker 4: show love. If we don't, we aren't raised that way,
Speaker 4: then that's not how we're raised. So thankfully I had
Speaker 4: a great role model, which I hopefully passed on to
Speaker 4: them as a great role model. And as I watched you,
Speaker 4: Chris as a father, I clearly see we did one
Speaker 4: bang up job on that one. Because you are a
Speaker 4: phenomenal father, loyal brother, incredible friend. I mean, what a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, thank you for making him for me,
Speaker 2: by the way, you handed me a perfect package.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Let's not go perfect.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to sing his yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way a week, we have four questions we're
Speaker 2: going to ask you, and the tone of that might
Speaker 2: apply to one of them. So we'll get to that,
Speaker 2: but real quick, I just have to sing his praises.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't even know this yet, but we just
Speaker 2: moved the kids out of their dorm Taylor and his
Speaker 2: house Josh for the summer yesterday, and my friend Lindsey
Speaker 2: stopped by to see us because she lives really she
Speaker 2: lives two minutes from where Josh is now. And she
Speaker 2: texted me last night and said, and she's a mom
Speaker 2: of a baby girl. And she texted me last night
Speaker 2: and said, I just keep thinking about how great Chris's
Speaker 2: kids are, and I keep thinking about what a great
Speaker 2: father he is.
Speaker 3: And I'm not joking.
Speaker 2: The next time I see him, I have to have
Speaker 2: a conversation with him and learn all I can from
Speaker 2: him about parenting.
Speaker 3: I was just like, that's.
Speaker 1: So sweeten this podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, laugh about that when people would say, oh, your
Speaker 4: boys are so good, and I would go, yeah, let's
Speaker 4: wait till they're thirty and they haven't you know, stolen
Speaker 4: and whatever kids will do these days. Then come back
Speaker 4: and tell me what difference.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that we made it.
Speaker 3: We tell their adults to see how they are.
Speaker 4: Okay, exactly? You know.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got four questions here that we wrote down,
Speaker 3: so this transitions perfectly. Number one, we need a mama
Speaker 3: pro tip. What would be your best piece of advice
Speaker 3: on parenting if you could only give one?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's easy and it's really two. One is love
Speaker 4: them with everything you have in you show them love.
Speaker 4: Don't just I mean, don't just don't just tell me
Speaker 4: I'm one of those. Don't don't give me words, show
Speaker 4: me with your actions. You can tell me you love
Speaker 4: me all day long, but if your actions don't go
Speaker 4: with it, it doesn't. It doesn't matter whether you're in
Speaker 4: a relationship as an adult or any other time. But
Speaker 4: more importantly to me is self confidence. I taught preschool
Speaker 4: for what nine years, Chris, I guess, and my whole
Speaker 4: thing was your kids may not know how to spell
Speaker 4: their name, but they're gonna feel so good about themselves
Speaker 4: that they don't care. And that's my whole I was
Speaker 4: raised that way with my dad. If you want to
Speaker 4: be president, honey, you go be president. If you want
Speaker 4: to be the best trans collector in the world, go
Speaker 4: be the best track. But whatever you do, do it well.
Speaker 4: But you can do it well. And so self confidence
Speaker 4: is everything for children.
Speaker 2: Everything that makes so much sense because every time, I mean,
Speaker 2: when I describe you to other people, Mary Beth, probably
Speaker 2: the words I use the quickest are like, she is
Speaker 2: a force. She is so strong, she gets it done.
Speaker 2: She is a business woman, she is like. That is
Speaker 2: how I describe you right off the bat. All right, Chris,
Speaker 2: do you want to take one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, greatest joy of being a mom doesn't Obviously this
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a specific me story. This could
Speaker 1: be I know I have a brother, so maybe no.
Speaker 1: Is there is there a moment where as a parent,
Speaker 1: you just had this overwhelming feeling of joy or accomplishments.
Speaker 4: For me, it's watching you and your brother, because from
Speaker 4: the time I brought you home from the hospital, your
Speaker 4: brother adopted you as his best friend. And for me
Speaker 4: to watch that my entire life with you all but
Speaker 4: to see it apply now as adults. You guys going
Speaker 4: to Mexico together to go fish last week is it's
Speaker 4: everything to me. So my greatest joy is watching YouTube
Speaker 4: and as children, you two trying to make each other
Speaker 4: laugh was just joyful. So I yeah, that's my joy
Speaker 4: is watching YouTube. Be best friends as children, but to
Speaker 4: continue to be best friends, that's everything to me.
Speaker 1: And he's definitely that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so cute. It's so cute to
Speaker 2: see them together, mary Bet, because you really like they
Speaker 2: have the same laugh. They laugh the same way, and
Speaker 2: if something makes them both laugh, it's like watching twins.
Speaker 1: It's so we were on a group trip and some
Speaker 1: of these people did not know us, and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god when we started talking, like, you guys
Speaker 1: sound identical. Your mom's your mom said that she was
Speaker 1: here the night we left, and she's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you guys sound identical.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember, Chris, but you and
Speaker 4: Glenn used to answer the phone for each other. So
Speaker 4: a day we call, or a girl would call it
Speaker 4: and you would answer and it was Glenn's and your
Speaker 4: grandmother couldn't tell you too. She started talking thinking it
Speaker 4: was one of you and it was another. So you
Speaker 4: all sound very very much alike on the phone. Not
Speaker 4: as much now as adults, I don't think, but you
Speaker 4: did as children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had more games, so I handled the relationship situation.
Speaker 5: That's what I was.
Speaker 3: You flirted a bit for him, You warmed the whole
Speaker 3: moment up.
Speaker 1: I had it at an early age.
Speaker 4: You'd have a whole conversation with Glenn's girlfriends and they
Speaker 4: never know was Glenn. That's true, terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's at the age when boys are like messing
Speaker 2: with girls trying to get them to like them.
Speaker 3: They think that they think that tactic works.
Speaker 2: Mary Beth piggybacking off that, how did you foster that friendship?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: Because you hear from a lot of pe But like,
Speaker 2: I feel like my kids hate each other and they
Speaker 2: beat each other up and they bully each other. How
Speaker 2: did you foster two best friends as kids?
Speaker 4: You know, Lauren, if I thought I could clone that,
Speaker 4: I'd write a book about it. But I Glenn knew
Speaker 4: that Chris was coming from day one. He used to
Speaker 4: talk to my stomach. I mean, I remember being in
Speaker 4: the grocery store, and you know, I didn't allow him
Speaker 4: to have Captain crunch and those kind of cereals, and
Speaker 4: he's we're in the grocery store. And I talked all
Speaker 4: the way through it with them, you know, we need this,
Speaker 4: we need that, and he said we need some Captain crunch.
Speaker 4: I said, no, no, we're not going to We're not going
Speaker 4: to have that. He kept going and going and I said,
Speaker 4: I told you no, and he reached down and he
Speaker 4: started yelling, don't you want some Graptaic crunch? And I said, Glenn,
Speaker 4: we're not talking about that. He said, I'm not talking
Speaker 4: to you, I'm talking to the baby. But I started it.
Speaker 1: I would jump in and say this because you've said
Speaker 1: this before and it's actually true, and I did it
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. My mom would make us so
Speaker 1: mad at her that my my brother and I would
Speaker 1: band together so my brother and I beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of each other. We would go at it, I mean,
Speaker 1: just you know, typical brother stuff, wrestling, fighting, hitting, We
Speaker 1: would beat the tar out of each other until usually
Speaker 1: I ended up crying, and my mom and dad it
Speaker 1: drove them crazy, and so my mom would come in
Speaker 1: and do whatever to us. At one time she actually
Speaker 1: made us kiss. That's a true story. And we were
Speaker 1: so mad at her we forgot we were what even
Speaker 1: what we were fighting about. And so that was actually
Speaker 1: a great tactic that I've employed. I have never made
Speaker 1: my kids kiss, but hey, it was the seventies, but
Speaker 1: that was funny that I remember that vividly, that we
Speaker 1: would be beating the tar out of each other and
Speaker 1: five minutes later we would forget and we were like, mom, sucks,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Come on, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you're going to be mad, then be
Speaker 4: mad at me and get for each other. Yeah. I
Speaker 4: hate fighting. I absolutely hate it this day. I'm not
Speaker 4: an antigony. I'm not an antagonist.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's kind of a psycho logically brilliant ploy,
Speaker 3: is to unite against you.
Speaker 1: I took that into coaching when I started coaching the
Speaker 1: kids in Little League and soccer and all that. If
Speaker 1: the kids were mad at me, then they couldn't be divisive,
Speaker 1: they couldn't worry about themselves. It was like they were
Speaker 1: a united front.
Speaker 2: All right, Mary Beth, we have one more question on
Speaker 2: our Big four list, and it has to come for
Speaker 2: me because well, I am marrying your son man.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the family.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: You guys have been so welcoming from the start. I
Speaker 2: and still remember that first passover where I kind of
Speaker 2: met the whole crew and I was just like overjoyed
Speaker 2: with how loving of a family.
Speaker 1: This overwhelmed and overjoyed. That's a lot.
Speaker 2: Overwhelmed in a good ways. We got to drink wine.
Speaker 2: But so, what piece of advice would you have for
Speaker 2: me about being married to Chris? What would be a
Speaker 2: tip you'd have for me about being married to him
Speaker 2: for many years and making it a happy relationship?
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, we threw that at you love him.
Speaker 4: And as someone wisely said to me, if two givers
Speaker 4: get married, then a marriage will work. If a giver
Speaker 4: and a taker get married, they probably will work. But
Speaker 4: one's always going to feel kind of abused. And if
Speaker 4: two takers get married, there's no chance that a marriage
Speaker 4: is going to work. So very wise words that were
Speaker 4: said to me a long time ago before I got married.
Speaker 4: And it's true. But Chris is a giver. He enjoys giving,
Speaker 4: and so be a gracious receiver because that's his that's
Speaker 4: something that brings him joy is to give and to share,
Speaker 4: and so to not be as gracious and I used
Speaker 4: to say this to your grandmother, to Chris, be as
Speaker 4: gracious a receiver as you are a giver, because you
Speaker 4: are also a giver, Lauren, and I've watched that with you,
Speaker 4: but you need to be equally as gracious a receiver.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: I'm going to soak that in today.
Speaker 2: That's so because I'm sitting here, I was processing your words,
Speaker 2: Mary Beth, as you were saying them and thinking, God,
Speaker 2: you're so right. Because one thing I have said that
Speaker 2: has made me fall in love with Chris from the
Speaker 2: beginning is we take care of each other like he's
Speaker 2: a great partner. And you know, I didn't have that
Speaker 2: in past relationships. I was I was the giver and
Speaker 2: I was, you know, with takers sometimes. But that's I
Speaker 2: actually think both of us could work on like the
Speaker 2: way that we receive and we and I have.
Speaker 3: To yeah, wow, okay, sorry, I was that was really good.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and re listen to our
Speaker 3: own podcast so I make sure you're every word of that.
Speaker 1: Is there any doubt where I came from?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, And as you're sitting here saying things,
Speaker 2: Mary Beth, like he's a loyal person and love and
Speaker 2: those things. Those are words when I go describe somebody
Speaker 2: to Chris, some of the first words I say, so again,
Speaker 2: thank you for giving me this wonderful man that I
Speaker 2: get to marry, My pleasure.
Speaker 1: And happy Mother's Day. Thank you for the love, the
Speaker 1: unconditional love, the support being at every play and soccer
Speaker 1: game and football game, and lord knows there were so many.
Speaker 1: But just like your parents taught you, the one thing
Speaker 1: I always talk about with my mom is that feeling
Speaker 1: of what would you attempt to do if you knew
Speaker 1: you could not fail? And my mom instilled that in
Speaker 1: me and thinking people go, why did you ever get
Speaker 1: into sportscasting? Why would you do TV? No one in
Speaker 1: my family ever did that. What drove you and what
Speaker 1: drove me was I never thought I could fail. I
Speaker 1: just didn't think it like that. And I am an
Speaker 1: eternal optimist and I always think green lights and if
Speaker 1: it's going to be somebody, why not me? And that
Speaker 1: all came from this woman right here, my drive, my
Speaker 1: love and I have you know, my mommy and my dad.
Speaker 1: But it's Mother's Day, and so thank you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for giving me.
Speaker 4: All that fast story about you as a child.
Speaker 1: Well we'll see I mean, I don't think he turns
Speaker 1: that down. We'll see.
Speaker 4: When Chris was I don't remember, six seven, I don't know,
Speaker 4: eight years old, somewhere in there, he started doing play
Speaker 4: by play of his brother. And so it would be
Speaker 4: here's Glenn getting up, and now he's going to go
Speaker 4: brush his teeth. Let's see is he brushing the uppers? Look,
Speaker 4: and there he is. He's going to go for cereals.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be cherios, are gonna be witty, and Glenn
Speaker 4: would be, Mom, make him stop. And if you Chris
Speaker 4: stopped doing play by play of your brother. He did
Speaker 4: that for a long time. And who knew as we
Speaker 4: were yelling at him to stop, that that would be
Speaker 4: his first.
Speaker 1: Career getting into sportscasting and.
Speaker 3: You know, very bad.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you when when Chris told
Speaker 2: you this was what he was going to get into,
Speaker 2: were you surprised or did you already know?
Speaker 3: And maybe that story is the answer.
Speaker 4: I you know, he was emc of this play at the.
Speaker 1: High school talent show, his high.
Speaker 4: School talent show. He was, so it's not like we
Speaker 4: planned it. And certainly he thought that soccer was going
Speaker 4: to be his inroads to his life because he was
Speaker 4: played soccer from the time he could walk. But I'm
Speaker 4: forever grateful to his college and to his if that
Speaker 4: got him in that direction and he thrived. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just he's got that. I love listening to him,
Speaker 4: and more than anything, I love your interviews because it's
Speaker 4: not about you, and it's never been about you, and
Speaker 4: nor should it be. It's always about who you're talking
Speaker 4: to or who you're on air with or TV or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I've always admired that, and I know that was
Speaker 4: advice that was given.
Speaker 1: To you early on the late great Bill Diggins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not about you. And so his journey was Yeah,
Speaker 4: his journey was just a wonderful thing to watch. And no,
Speaker 4: I didn't see that coming, but yeah, he just fit
Speaker 4: right into the right place.
Speaker 1: And I will say, when you have a journey like
Speaker 1: that and you are on that ride, it means so
Speaker 1: much more when you have Because I always wanted to
Speaker 1: make my mom and dad proud. I always wanted to
Speaker 1: make my brother proud. I always wanted to answer to
Speaker 1: my grandparents, Mimi and Papa, and I think that is
Speaker 1: a huge thing for being a dad. You have to
Speaker 1: be responsible to someone other than yourself, even your mom
Speaker 1: and dad. It has to be bigger than you. And
Speaker 1: I always felt like our name was on the back
Speaker 1: of the jersey and that's what I represented, and so
Speaker 1: that that's what was instilled in me by you, among
Speaker 1: a million other things. And so I just want to
Speaker 1: say thank you and I love you, and thanks for
Speaker 1: doing this, and thank you for just being an amazing mother.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It was my pleasure. You were easy to
Speaker 4: be an amazing mother with.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry for as many times as people say,
Speaker 1: that's not your mom, that's your sister.
Speaker 2: She has great skin. Great Also, thank you for the
Speaker 2: good genetics, Mary Beck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: We're just glad our parents had good skin. That's all
Speaker 4: we can. That's all we're thankful for.
Speaker 1: Now, Happy Mother's Day. I love you very much.
Speaker 4: Thanks, guys, love me. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: So that was Mary Beth Harrison.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially because it's funny that your brother was
Speaker 2: just we hadn't mentioned this before, but Chris and his
Speaker 2: brother went on a trip, a fishing trip, a guy's
Speaker 2: fishing trip together, and I hadn't spent that much time.
Speaker 3: With just you and your brother before.
Speaker 2: He was at the house with us, and you know,
Speaker 2: because other family was always around our kids or whatever.
Speaker 2: And to see you two together for the first time
Speaker 2: made me so happy because with a sibling there's always
Speaker 2: that ease and just to watch you two laugh together
Speaker 2: and reconnect and to hear her say that that was
Speaker 2: her biggest joy of parenting, Oh my gosh, that really
Speaker 2: got me.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I get that, you know, and I
Speaker 1: see that in my kids already. That that's what gives
Speaker 1: me great joy is when I.
Speaker 3: Yes, I see that.
Speaker 2: Even like when we were moving the kids out, there
Speaker 2: was one moment I think you were starting to walk
Speaker 2: to the car and it was like they were saying
Speaker 2: bye to each other, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's even though.
Speaker 2: They're going to be together today like Josh's, but still
Speaker 2: I think they were just leaving this year of college together.
Speaker 1: Well you hear a silly story like we sent Taylor
Speaker 1: to the Taylor Swift concert, Yes, And it was a
Speaker 1: mess getting out of there. And she called her brother,
Speaker 1: who was forty five minutes away and already in bed,
Speaker 1: and said, Josh, come get me. And he woke up,
Speaker 1: and he woke up and went and get assistant.
Speaker 2: Do you think we did something right. Yeah, they are
Speaker 2: there for each other. Yeah, maybe that's one of the
Speaker 2: biggest tests of parenting as siblings. Well, we can ask
Speaker 2: my mom about it, because me and my siblings are
Speaker 2: certainly close.
Speaker 3: But we've all had our moments.
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to this next interview, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: the Donna Zema Up next, Dundun Dawn.
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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm looking for the most Challenging Guest Award. Okay,
Speaker 6: let's get That's what my goal is here today.
Speaker 1: And with that, let me introduce Lauren's mom, Donna.
Speaker 2: Zema, Queen Empress, perhaps Dictator. Donna Zema has joined us.
Speaker 3: Mom, thank you for being here.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're welcome. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much so.
Speaker 2: This is a special Mother's Day episode of the podcast.
Speaker 3: We spoke to Chris's mom and we're going to speak to.
Speaker 2: You and we have four questions for just you know,
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to keep it streamlined and we're going
Speaker 2: to ask both of you the same questions. But I
Speaker 2: have to say, Mom, I mean, I was a little
Speaker 2: hesitant about this.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how it was going to go. And
Speaker 3: how did you feel joining the podcast here today?
Speaker 6: Well, I thought that you'd be asking me for my
Speaker 6: sage advice and wisdom on motherhood.
Speaker 5: So I've been.
Speaker 6: Thinking about because and then I've been thinking about how
Speaker 6: I sidestep certain questions as to non embarrassed one of
Speaker 6: my three children.
Speaker 5: Well, which couldn't be hard if I tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Everybody already has this amazing glimpse into y'all's life and
Speaker 1: your relationship. Well, the other day, y'all were you were
Speaker 1: wedding dress shopping, Yes, and your mom very much disapproved
Speaker 1: of your outfit. In fact, I think she said you
Speaker 1: hated it.
Speaker 3: It was hilarious. Yes, my mom is a go ahead mother.
Speaker 6: We just are not charitable with each other when it
Speaker 6: comes to saying, well, we really feel about what anybody's
Speaker 6: wearing or doing or whatever.
Speaker 5: That's our family.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's very true.
Speaker 2: That is a family true, a family of lawyers. My
Speaker 2: parents both lawyers, my brother now a lawyer. My parents
Speaker 2: wanted me to go to law school. And you know,
Speaker 2: we fight a lot and we laugh a lot, and
Speaker 2: actually I think babe. This was for you when you're
Speaker 2: first getting to know my family. I remember one day
Speaker 2: you we had just I forget who we'd just been
Speaker 2: hanging out with. Maybe it was with you and we mom,
Speaker 2: and Chris goes, okay, I get it. You guys like
Speaker 2: poke at each other a lot, and you fight a lot,
Speaker 2: but you're like being funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all out of love. And if you
Speaker 1: can't hang in the courtroom, that is the Zema family.
Speaker 1: So true, you are not going to make it. It's
Speaker 1: sick swim.
Speaker 5: You've got to have some thick skin around here.
Speaker 2: Well, Mom, you prepared perfectly, which is very loyery of you,
Speaker 2: and you're right.
Speaker 3: We are going to ask your advice.
Speaker 2: So question number one, if you could only give one tip,
Speaker 2: what would be your best advice on parenting?
Speaker 5: Learn how to say no. I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: That's I think a problem with a lot of parents
Speaker 6: that they want to make their kids happy and they
Speaker 6: don't know how to protect their kids from themselves.
Speaker 5: So you have to learn to say no.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: You can't do that. I know it's popular. I know
Speaker 5: you want to go there. I know you want to.
Speaker 6: Have this iPhone at you know six years old, but
Speaker 6: they have to learn to say no. I think that's
Speaker 6: the most important piece of advice for a parent.
Speaker 1: Too many parents want to be their kid's best friend, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that never works. And I will say, getting to know
Speaker 1: Lauren and now you, Laura, you've talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot that your mom would you know, I don't say dictate,
Speaker 1: dictate who you were hanging out with, your friends, made
Speaker 1: sure the path you were on, Yes, because who you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with, well, you.
Speaker 2: Always used to say, mom, like, your your friends are
Speaker 2: your kids kind of most important. Yeah, social structure, and
Speaker 2: they dictate so much. And yeah, I mean my mom
Speaker 2: would employ such phrases as I'm the mother and you're not.
Speaker 5: That was one of my favorites. I still employ that one.
Speaker 1: That still works.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you were very much that you were protecting
Speaker 2: us from ourselves.
Speaker 3: That was a phrase you always said.
Speaker 2: One phrase that I love that was that I think
Speaker 2: came from you, was you said, you've said before with kids,
Speaker 2: you can put the time in now or later.
Speaker 5: Oh, that is so true.
Speaker 6: And I see the the results of that in my
Speaker 6: own life so many times of people who didn't put
Speaker 6: the time in and they're still supporting adult children, etc.
Speaker 5: Something you never want to.
Speaker 1: Do speaking of somebody who is speaking of someone who's
Speaker 1: hit three home runs in a row. Your two beautiful daughters,
Speaker 1: your amazingly talented son who's now a lawyer and his
Speaker 1: budding legal career. Of all the things, what is the
Speaker 1: biggest joy? What have you taken the most away from
Speaker 1: being a mom and watching these three incredible children grow.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest joy for me has seen the three.
Speaker 6: Adults they've become, and not so much their successes in
Speaker 6: the employment arena, although I'm very proud of that. I'm
Speaker 6: the most proud and it gives me the most joy
Speaker 6: to see the adults they've become. They're moral, caring, wonderful people,
Speaker 6: and that's where I get my joys a mom.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mom. She always used to say, I want you
Speaker 3: to be a person of substance.
Speaker 6: And you are, all three of you are. Thank you,
Speaker 6: and you're with people of substance, which makes it very,
Speaker 6: very wonderful in a family.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's getting emotional.
Speaker 5: Well I'm not, no, I mean that from the bottom
Speaker 5: of my heart.
Speaker 3: So well.
Speaker 2: We had such a great example obviously in you, Mom,
Speaker 2: and I mean we I write this. I feel like
Speaker 2: my siblings and I write the same things in cards
Speaker 2: to you on your birthday and on Mother's Day. We
Speaker 2: are all always like sometimes we'll read each other's cards
Speaker 2: and we've almost always written basically the same thing, which
Speaker 2: is like, we wouldn't be where we are without you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm going to get emotional. Why did
Speaker 3: we do this Mother's Day podcast?
Speaker 5: Oh my god?
Speaker 6: But you know what I was thinking about this earlier,
Speaker 6: you know, in the words of others who come before me,
Speaker 6: it does take a village, and your village included two
Speaker 6: wonderful grandparents, people of substance to guide you and your father.
Speaker 6: So there's a lot of people involved in this mix.
Speaker 6: It's it's great on Mother's Day to be honored as
Speaker 6: a mother, but mothers don't do it alone, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: Well, we had my mom's parents, Grandpop's, and we would
Speaker 2: go to their house on the weekends. They lived about
Speaker 2: thirty five forty minutes away from us, so we spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time there. But it all gets passed
Speaker 2: down and then when I look at I mean now,
Speaker 2: even being with Chris's kids, I'm like, oh, I get
Speaker 2: it now. The cycle of things, because I'm taking a
Speaker 2: lot of what I learned from you into my time
Speaker 2: with them, so I'm very grateful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of that stuff emanated from grand
Speaker 5: and Pop. So all right, send it down.
Speaker 2: The next question, that was the greatest joy of motherhood?
Speaker 2: What was the greatest challenge of myne Oh, my god,
Speaker 2: there were.
Speaker 6: So many, and you guys were relatively great, well behaved kids.
Speaker 6: I think the greatest challenge of being a parent is
Speaker 6: to know when to let your kids make mistakes that
Speaker 6: sometimes they just won't listen to you, and you got
Speaker 6: to kind of let them go down the road and see.
Speaker 5: When did you do that.
Speaker 6: I won't oh, I won't talk about any particular examples
Speaker 6: in public.
Speaker 1: Well, Donna, I want to ask you one in particular,
Speaker 1: because obviously your dad, yes, a lawyer, your mom lawyer, brother, lawyer, you,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, Correct me if I'm wrong, because
Speaker 1: this is an els story, wanted her to go to
Speaker 1: law school and did not want her to go into entertainment.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: No, I cannot be one of these these parents that
Speaker 6: say it says, oh, my daughter is successful because I
Speaker 6: did so.
Speaker 5: Much to support her dream. No, that's what I thought,
Speaker 5: to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought she's going to be starving in la
Speaker 6: and I'm going to have to support her for the rest.
Speaker 5: Of her life. So sorry.
Speaker 6: I was not one of those people. I because, as
Speaker 6: you know, it's so the odds are against you.
Speaker 5: To make it in that town.
Speaker 3: I know, I know Chris is holding up the end
Speaker 3: me wrong.
Speaker 5: She proved me wrong. She did.
Speaker 1: But it takes that too though. You have to because
Speaker 1: the reason I love that is your daughter had to
Speaker 1: have the intestinal fortitude that obviously you gave her to
Speaker 1: know that path and to know she was strong enough
Speaker 1: to go do that.
Speaker 6: She did, she absolutely did, and I give her all
Speaker 6: the credit because she didn't have, you know, a stage
Speaker 6: mom behind her pushing her saying go go go. I'm like, oh, guy,
Speaker 6: don't you want to be an account Maybe it's not
Speaker 6: a lawyer, how about an.
Speaker 1: Account By the way, I argue with her, and she
Speaker 1: would be an amazing lawyer, she really would. I have
Speaker 1: I have yet to win one. Yeah through that, apparently
Speaker 1: the dress really is blue not green? Okay, Donna, because
Speaker 1: this is Mother's Day and I am honored enough to
Speaker 1: about to enter this family. Uh, and you will be
Speaker 1: my mother. I have to ask a very serious question,
Speaker 1: what do I need to know about your daughter as
Speaker 1: we take this huge step in life.
Speaker 6: I if I have one piece of advice for you,
Speaker 6: and I think you already do this.
Speaker 5: Keep her laughing.
Speaker 6: Warren thrives upon joy and laughter in her life. If
Speaker 6: you do that, you guys are going to be together
Speaker 6: till the day you die.
Speaker 1: That's so true.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: True.
Speaker 3: I didn't expect you to say that, Mom, Really well.
Speaker 5: I thought you would say I know you pretty well,
Speaker 5: you do.
Speaker 2: I thought you'd pick up on something else like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but yeah, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: This that sums me up pretty well.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm really having a moment of feeling like my
Speaker 2: mom knows me as an adult, and I'm maybe feeling
Speaker 2: like that for the first time, well last some years,
Speaker 2: when I in like my twenties, maybe where I kept
Speaker 2: I think there was a little conflict of you realizing
Speaker 2: or accepting who I was becoming as an adult versus
Speaker 2: who the more teenager version of me you might have known.
Speaker 3: Would you agree, Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 5: There's there there was definitely some transition transition years. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: that's probably it's also a letting.
Speaker 6: Go too, right, because you know you've like nurtured this
Speaker 6: wonderful human being from the time they came out of
Speaker 6: your body, and then you know at some point you're
Speaker 6: going to have to let them go.
Speaker 5: So it's a long process.
Speaker 1: I have had to say the same thing where it's
Speaker 1: that it's that point where you throw them out of
Speaker 1: the nest to see if they can fly, but you're
Speaker 1: still like holding your hands out a little bit until
Speaker 1: you realize, oh, they're flying, and then it's ye. And
Speaker 1: it's hard to take that because you've done your job.
Speaker 2: And I remember, I remember you told me once that
Speaker 2: Dad said to you, well, honey, the problem is like
Speaker 2: we raise them to fly away and encourage them to
Speaker 2: do it in a now we're upset that they did.
Speaker 5: Which is the reason I live in Chicago by myself.
Speaker 1: And they don't come see you enough. But don in
Speaker 1: all seriousness, I'm marvel at what an amazing mother you
Speaker 1: have been, what an amazing mother you are. The relationship
Speaker 1: you have with John, Christina and Lauren, the way they
Speaker 1: love you, the way they look up to you and
Speaker 1: idolize you. It's one of the things I fell in
Speaker 1: love with immediately with Lauren was your family, the family
Speaker 1: that you have built. You are definitely the matriarch of
Speaker 1: this family. There is no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: We fight, we laugh, we communicate, we over communicate. I mean,
Speaker 2: one difference between you and I is like I talk
Speaker 2: to my mom, my sister, and my brother all every day,
Speaker 2: multiple times a day. Chris fights less, maybe communicates a
Speaker 2: little less so, but somehow we're making it work.
Speaker 1: You have to get it else and it's good you
Speaker 1: have your family because I only have so many.
Speaker 3: Words, Mom, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 2: Chris's mom brought something up about how close Chris and
Speaker 2: Glen have stayed, and like, that's something I think again
Speaker 2: drew us to each other, was that we're both just
Speaker 2: so close with our families. How did you foster a
Speaker 2: situation where Christina and I and John were such close
Speaker 2: siblings and still are now.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you didn't have much of a choice,
Speaker 6: living on nine acres of land by yourself.
Speaker 3: We don't have any neighbors, any friends.
Speaker 5: It was like, okay, we.
Speaker 6: Better get along with them because you got nobody to
Speaker 6: play with. And this was, you know, the days before
Speaker 6: everybody was in front of a screen, right, So I
Speaker 6: think that did a lot to foster the closeness that
Speaker 6: you guys have. You only had each other many times,
Speaker 6: you know. It was like after school, you didn't go
Speaker 6: out and do a lot of things. You stayed at home.
Speaker 6: You were here on nine acres of land by yourself.
Speaker 6: Remember for a while, we didn't even have cable TV.
Speaker 3: So that's true. My mom wanted us to be readers,
Speaker 3: so we didn't have TV.
Speaker 1: No, Oh, Donna, I love the tell me again, this
Speaker 1: is a great story I've heard about you. You would
Speaker 1: incentivize your kids with the chance to read. Most parents are.
Speaker 1: You get screen time, you can watch TV, you can
Speaker 1: watch movie. You if the kids did great, you let
Speaker 1: them read. So they were excited just to get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to read a book.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what little nerds they were, Chris, Seriously, I have them.
Speaker 1: Completely of what did what brilliant I did?
Speaker 6: I did used to say, Hey, you want to stay
Speaker 6: up you know, TV or whatever, but you can read.
Speaker 5: So that was always my little sneaky way.
Speaker 2: We're also learning from this podcast the psychology that is
Speaker 2: used in being a mom and how you tricked us
Speaker 2: into so many things. And by the way, it's sounding
Speaker 2: like I grew up, like I don't know, in some
Speaker 2: kind of isolated society.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 2: We didn't have cable TV because you wanted us to read,
Speaker 2: and you did say getting back to the siblings thing,
Speaker 2: it was always these are the people who are going
Speaker 2: to be your friends for life. And actually remember even
Speaker 2: when I was in middle school, because everybody's the worst
Speaker 2: in middle school, I wanted my own room, and you
Speaker 2: made Christina and I always share a room.
Speaker 3: Always.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, as a result, you two are
Speaker 6: probably like the closest sisters. I know. I'm very proud
Speaker 6: of that because you're right when I'm gone, who are
Speaker 6: you going to have each other?
Speaker 5: That's your family so.
Speaker 2: Well, and that is also why I can never be alone.
Speaker 2: So Chris is really benefiting from that. Mom.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I didn't think you would. I didn't think
Speaker 3: you would. I thought you might make fun of me
Speaker 3: more on this podcast.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, Oh, I'm keeping myself in chat.
Speaker 1: Let's end on a high note. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: really leaving a good emotional space right now.
Speaker 3: We love you so much, and Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys, Love you both.
Speaker 1: Love you, okay, we're off the hot seat.
Speaker 3: I was a little nervous.
Speaker 1: I know you were. It is funny when you know
Speaker 1: my mom. They brought her on one of my one
Speaker 1: of the specials one time and she was live on
Speaker 1: Network TV, and I.
Speaker 3: Just, okay, that's nervous.
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh God, please let this go good.
Speaker 1: And she of course crushed it and she was amazing.
Speaker 1: She made me cry that night and again today. And
Speaker 1: I know there's that trepidation when our.
Speaker 3: Moms get on Why why is that we can have.
Speaker 1: Because it's a part of our lives that we've kept
Speaker 1: pretty quiet and secret, you know, like we're hosts. We
Speaker 1: don't live actually that out loud. So when you open
Speaker 1: up a little bit more of our lives, it's a
Speaker 1: little nerve wracking.
Speaker 2: I also think that you can be the most successful
Speaker 2: you can be at the top of your career. You
Speaker 2: can be a name known the world over, and nobody
Speaker 2: can like bring you back like your mom, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's see.
Speaker 1: They've done their job, which both of ours have. They
Speaker 1: had this amazing ability to make you feel like you
Speaker 1: are twelve years old. Again.
Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of doing their jobs, were they.
Speaker 3: They both just crushed being it.
Speaker 1: They did. I know they they were.
Speaker 2: Ready with their sound bites, they came prepared with answers,
Speaker 2: they spoke succinctly.
Speaker 3: That's because they're both incredible business women too.
Speaker 1: I look for a Marybeth Donna Zema podcast coming.
Speaker 2: So wow, moms on moms, moms on moms, moms on momming.
Speaker 1: But thank you to our moms, to Beth, to Donna,
Speaker 1: we love you so much. You guys have been amazing
Speaker 1: to both of us and now to both of us
Speaker 1: together as one big family. And there's just our way
Speaker 1: of reaching out to you to let the world know
Speaker 1: how much we love and appreciate you, but also to
Speaker 1: show the love to all of you and to all
Speaker 1: the incredible moms out there.
Speaker 2: Yes, we wanted to share a little of their wisdom
Speaker 2: because we both admire both our own moms and each
Speaker 2: others and have learned so much from them. And thank
Speaker 2: you and all our love to the moms whoever that
Speaker 2: might be in your life. For some people, it's you know,
Speaker 2: mom or aunt or a friend who came into your
Speaker 2: family's life.
Speaker 3: Whatever figure was that.
Speaker 2: Loving maternal guiding light that you needed, Thank you and yeah.
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day, others Day. Throw all the moms out
Speaker 1: there and we'll talk to you next time, because we
Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening.
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