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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with you.

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Speaker 2: Mark Lerner graduated from Michigan State University with high honors

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Speaker 2: with a BA in social science. Back in nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 2: he completed an intensive one year training course in professional

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Speaker 2: astrology and began his incredible career. He deals primarily with

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Speaker 2: what they call mundane astrology, focusing on the higher destinies

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Speaker 2: of nations, humanity, and good old planet Earth as well.

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Speaker 2: And here he is back on Coast to Coast am

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Speaker 2: Mark Learner, Mark, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you George. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: You ready for great twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Well, mercury has just gone direct or what we call stationary.

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Speaker 3: So the ancient messenger of the divine is extremely strong.

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Speaker 3: And although I have my own created three different podcasts

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Speaker 3: about the truth about retrograde, I'm not such a firm

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Speaker 3: believer in the modern approach of the negativity and the

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Speaker 3: fear that some of the calendars come out with about

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Speaker 3: mercury and reverse. It's just because it happens three times

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Speaker 3: a year, for three weeks at a time, and there

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Speaker 3: isn't sort of an equal emphasis on all the planets

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Speaker 3: that go on reverse Venus, Jupiter, Mars, and so on.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about some predictions you made

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Speaker 2: in January and March of last year that are pretty uncanny.

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Speaker 2: One is you said Vladimir Putin was not going to

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Speaker 2: back down in Ukraine, and you're right about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, he's a tremendous nemesis. You know, he's been

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Speaker 3: in power since two thousand, so we've got twenty three,

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Speaker 3: almost twenty four years, and I guess he's supposedly running

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Speaker 3: for reelection in March, but that's a done deal. And

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Speaker 3: the big problem with these leaders like Putin and g

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Speaker 3: is that they interact with America's birth charts from the

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Speaker 3: Declaration of Independence July fourth, seventeen seventy six, and their

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Speaker 3: own charts show, I mean, apparently the people in Russia

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Speaker 3: are still going for Vladimir, and in China, we know

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Speaker 3: they have a more or less capitalist economy, but it's

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Speaker 3: still a communist nation. But their birth charts do not

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Speaker 3: jive really easily with America's chart.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. And it seems

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Speaker 2: like he's going to run again this year, and so

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Speaker 2: that'll put twenty four to twenty five years behind him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just such a I mean, of course

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Speaker 3: there are other parliamentary systems throughout Europe and other places,

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Speaker 3: and we have such an unusual situation situation with our constitution,

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Speaker 3: which the presidency used to be always, by tradition, March

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Speaker 3: fourth every four years, and then that changed after FDR

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Speaker 3: was president and changed to January twentieth, So literally at

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Speaker 3: noon January twentieth, whenever we have after an election, literally

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Speaker 3: at noon, whether the person takes whatever oath they take,

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Speaker 3: that's when the presidency begins. So we have a very

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Speaker 3: fixed system and we can't really get out from under it.

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Speaker 2: We've got a big total solar eclipse on April eighth

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Speaker 2: of this year.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean, Well, this is there's so I mean,

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Speaker 3: this has been hyped for a long time. There won't

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Speaker 3: be another total solar eclipse in the continental US for

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Speaker 3: twenty years, so that's why the astronomers in particular and

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Speaker 3: hotels are being booked. So what's happening is this is

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Speaker 3: a total solar eclipse with the path of totality that

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Speaker 3: comes out of the Pacific goes through Mexico and then

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Speaker 3: through Montreal, Canada, and out through Newfoundland. The reason this

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Speaker 3: is so special is that this planticle Chiron, which is

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Speaker 3: considered the first centaur planet, which was discovered in nineteen

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Speaker 3: that's what makes for astrologers some extraordinary kind of thing

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Speaker 3: because and I've studied it. So many astrologers which we

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Speaker 3: had with Welcome Planet Earth for twenty years, have studied Chiron.

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Speaker 3: And Chiron is a centaur, half human, half horse in mythology,

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Speaker 3: but it was discovered in November of nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: Has all these amazing qualities shamans, even astrology itself, prophecy,

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Speaker 3: It's connected to alternative medicine and herbs, even Yazic and archery.

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Speaker 3: So many different areas that Kyron is strong with, including

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Speaker 3: one other thing is that We're having Americas having three

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Speaker 3: have crises and challenges about healing, but also breakthroughs. I

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good thing. The path of totality is

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Speaker 3: what is the big thing. When we had the total eclipse,

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Speaker 3: phenomenal about George and the listeners is that it ended

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Speaker 3: in Charleston, South Carolina, where the Civil War began on

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Speaker 3: April twelve, eighteen sixty one. It also went through the

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Speaker 3: birthplace of Edgar Casey in Kentucky. So I watched these

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Speaker 3: things from a psychological and spiritual pathway. These paths of

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Speaker 3: totality are not just astronomical, but they represent sort of

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Speaker 3: evoking spirit, you know, and change and so on but

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Speaker 3: people with my podcast on Great Enterprises and Astroscope, I

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Speaker 3: did about a three hour one called Discover Your Personal

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Speaker 3: Chirological Cycles. I did it a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: If people want to learn about how chiron works with

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Speaker 3: that because it's filled with charts about famous people like

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Speaker 3: and former President Trump have exceedingly strong chirons. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: to their different parties there is a sense of healers.

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Speaker 3: This is another thing about chiron, a kind of wounded

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Speaker 3: But there's both people have wounds, you know, in terms

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Speaker 2: Before chiron was discovered, how did astrologers handle.

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Speaker 3: This well, this is what keeps changing in the course

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Speaker 3: sort of need to shift what rules what. But for instance,

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Speaker 3: etymology going back to the meaning of using your hand.

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Speaker 2: Now, what about Pluto what's it's an involvement.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we've been dealing with what's called America's first

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Speaker 3: But Pluto has a two hundred and forty six to

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Speaker 2: So Pluto is not that great when it comes around,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's in the chart that we have used for

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been an internal optimist every having

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Speaker 3: done the astrology Cosmic Calendar for forty two years. Every

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Speaker 3: single day when i've whatever I've written, there are positive

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Speaker 3: Every we have thirteen new moons every year, which is

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Speaker 3: a time of forward momentum, building forward momentum, and every

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Speaker 3: full moon two weeks later, this is when millions of

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Speaker 3: on to bring in goodwill, peace and light. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like every day there's golden opportunities in the

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Speaker 3: field of astrology. We're going to have different crises and

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Speaker 3: different threats, but somehow this Chiron force is really important

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Speaker 3: about healing. And by the way, fifty years ago when

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Speaker 3: five Chiron returns. So we're going to have an election

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Speaker 3: year like no other time except for maybe fifty.

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Speaker 2: Years ago, and we can't make predictions that some people have,

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Speaker 2: but we don't really know who the candidates.

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Speaker 3: Are yet, right, And you know, the thing is, you know,

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Speaker 3: anything could happen in terms of the For instance, Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned about Iran and its involvement with Israel and Hamas.

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Speaker 3: We have absolutely you know you've asked me many times.

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Speaker 3: There are always these global hotspots. But with this Pluto

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Speaker 3: return also in what's called astrophotography, or moving sort of

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Speaker 3: that's developed over forty years. America is Pluto. This Pluto

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Speaker 3: that's come back is literally over the Persian Gulf. And

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Speaker 3: what's been happening with Hezbola and Hamas and these Huti rebels.

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Speaker 3: Iran is now much more aligned with Russia, you know,

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Speaker 3: and China as well. And one other little thing here,

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Speaker 3: Jupiter is coming well unite with Iranus for the first

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Speaker 3: time in fourteen years. That happens on April twentieth and

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Speaker 3: twenty first in Taurus, and Israel is going to bear

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Speaker 3: the run of both Jupiter and guranis these big planets

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Speaker 3: being May fourteenth, nineteen forty eight. So I am very

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Speaker 3: concerned about how this Middle East situation is exploding. And

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Speaker 3: it just feels like that's always you know, the key

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Speaker 2: What determines the event instead happen? Mark the astrological events well,

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Speaker 2: or do they only foretell what happens?

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Speaker 3: As Carl Jung, the Swiss psychotherapist who got into astrology,

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Speaker 3: did the charts of dozens, if not hundreds, of married people.

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Speaker 3: He's the one who coined the expression whatever happens at

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Speaker 3: of time. So an astronomer has called me twice or

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Speaker 3: he hasn't actually called him, and he keeps saying, all

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Speaker 3: you astrologers are canaris because Jupiter and Saturn are hundreds

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Speaker 3: of millions of miles away and they can influence you

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Speaker 3: as a person. Well, he's exactly right, but he doesn't understand.

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Speaker 3: It's symbolic when you take your first breath. The planetary motions,

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Speaker 3: what are called the nodes of the moon. They're in

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Speaker 3: different signs of the zodiac there in different houses, in

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Speaker 3: different alignments, and that is kind of your path of destiny.

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Speaker 3: And then you get these transits and progressions that give

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Speaker 2: Truly remarkable how it works so much, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: It works amazingly. But Sir Isaac Newton, who was into

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Speaker 3: would have some kind of gathering, and it's the same

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Speaker 3: as saying because Edmund Haley. Eventually, Haley's comment was named

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Speaker 3: after Haley after he died. But they were at a

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Speaker 3: conference and Edmund Haley was a strict astronomer, and Sir

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Speaker 3: Isaac Newton was actually an astrologer, and he is quoted

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Speaker 3: as saying, sir, I have studied the subject and you

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Speaker 3: have not. And this is a famous thing. We have

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Speaker 3: a lot of astronomers who just are unwilling to sort

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