WEBVTT - The Gals Have Gone Nuts!

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Jetty and he.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Too much news, That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 4>If you'd have told me a week ago that we'd

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<v Speaker 4>have been talking about that stupid Cindy's what's her name?

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<v Speaker 4>Chick blonde Chickney Sweeney, Yes, blonde chick gene ad every

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<v Speaker 4>day for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>O would have said, how would that possibly happen?

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<v Speaker 5>But here we are, says the guy who's soft on

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<v Speaker 5>fascism apparently, and eugenics and Nazism, and am I leaving

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<v Speaker 5>anything else?

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<v Speaker 4>I ordered some of the Nazi gens yesterday. I'll have

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<v Speaker 4>them tomorrow. I'll wear them to work, Yes, American Eagle,

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<v Speaker 4>Is that a dog whistle?

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<v Speaker 5>No? This is fidoh Kamara, Kamara, that's a dog whistle.

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<v Speaker 5>The jeans are just genes anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the more.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting challenges we have in society, American society these days,

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<v Speaker 5>although it occurs to me it's international, is what the

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<v Speaker 5>hell do we do about our young women losing their

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<v Speaker 5>minds like they don't get together with a dude or

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<v Speaker 5>another female, which I'm told is a thing. They don't

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<v Speaker 5>have a partner, a romantic partner, they don't have children,

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<v Speaker 5>they have no interest in starting families, and so it

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<v Speaker 5>would appear that they are pouring their feminine energies into

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<v Speaker 5>radical politics. I mean to a huge extent. And we've

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<v Speaker 5>talked about this because you know, you look at the

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<v Speaker 5>poles of young women age seventeen to twenty seven and men,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're politically just completely divergent. Right anyway, the gas

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<v Speaker 5>have gone nuts in a way that has never been right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's completely unpressing young people.

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<v Speaker 4>There used to be equal number of people lean right

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<v Speaker 4>or left, usually more left than right for young people.

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<v Speaker 2>Always has been no way.

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<v Speaker 4>But boys and girls are the same now they're not

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<v Speaker 4>like so many other groups, which is not yet.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a weird, unprecedented demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>Mutation.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, What to do about it? I don't have any

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<v Speaker 5>idea other and keep doing what we're doing. Y'all do

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<v Speaker 5>what you do to try to rein in those you love.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, so the whole Sydney Sweeney fake reversy over

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<v Speaker 5>the Genes commercial refuses to die. And somebody did, some

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<v Speaker 5>woman on the street interviews at some sort of gathering

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<v Speaker 5>of pierced beher dyed sexually ambiguous looking young women, and

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<v Speaker 5>got these answers. We'll start with fifteen Michael was they asked,

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<v Speaker 5>She asked, is the question included? Go ahead, just play

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<v Speaker 5>the first.

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<v Speaker 2>One to Sydney Sad.

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<v Speaker 6>Have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 6>Trying to calm myself, but that would girl.

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<v Speaker 7>Mmmm, Sydney Sweeney has good jeep, really like the eugenics

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<v Speaker 7>in that it's dripping with it, And I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, all right, so I mean that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stands on his own.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm interested to hear is does somebody

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<v Speaker 5>actually make a case, make an argument, or do they

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<v Speaker 5>just repeat the catchwords?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, it seemed to me there it's certainly until

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<v Speaker 4>the end, I thought, Okay, she's got no, she just

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<v Speaker 4>knows she's supposed to be upset.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't have an argument for her. Yeah, but she

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<v Speaker 2>heard eugenics right. Next one, Well, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Get both sides of the argument, like she's talking about

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<v Speaker 7>like actual genes, But then I get the other side

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<v Speaker 7>saying like oh but like this could be like a

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<v Speaker 7>play on words for like something else. But like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's just so much more going on the

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<v Speaker 7>world that like an ad about Sidney Sweeney isn't something

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<v Speaker 7>that we need to pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you, Oh wow, Wow, there's hope. There's hope

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<v Speaker 2>next one. And when you saw it, what did you

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<v Speaker 2>think of.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I thought, you know, it was disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's.

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<v Speaker 7>Just showing what kind of country we're turning into, because

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<v Speaker 7>it's white supremacy at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what this ad is representing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean, she knowed the blonde hair, blue eyed,

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<v Speaker 10>white woman, you know, very cute, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>the things she's been doing online have been a little

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<v Speaker 10>bit questionable. It seems that she's definitely been, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>pandering to a certain group of men online.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>So they turned it into particularly attacking her when, like

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying, yesterday, I'm sure her agent got a

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<v Speaker 4>call from American Eagle, would would you're a client be

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<v Speaker 4>willing to oppose in jeans for five million dollars? Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>she showed up for an hour, crawled around or sat

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<v Speaker 4>on benches or whatever she does in the ads. And

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<v Speaker 4>her jeans and went home. She didn't think she was

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<v Speaker 4>doing anything. I would imagine that was going to make

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<v Speaker 4>the news early.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and the outrage against a product using sexual appeal

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<v Speaker 5>to sell is well, that's that's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's fine. Well, I'm young.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm stealing this from Charles Cook of National Review, but

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<v Speaker 4>he was making the point that so we've been seeing

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<v Speaker 4>ads for the last however many years where you mostly

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<v Speaker 4>have people in the ads that don't represent the majority

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<v Speaker 4>of the country, whether it's the piercings, tight percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the couples are interracial, for instance, right, which is fine, sir,

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<v Speaker 4>and I get the blowback after years of every ad

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<v Speaker 4>only having white people. But this ad features a girl

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<v Speaker 4>who's like the probably the majority person in the country,

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<v Speaker 4>if not majority, the plurality. The big I guessed group

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<v Speaker 4>of anybody in the country is probably white women. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's almost guaranteed to be true. Yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Have an ad featuring the largest segment of society, even

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<v Speaker 4>if it's not most people, that is attacked. If you

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<v Speaker 4>have so many who represents a tiny chunk of people

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<v Speaker 4>from Brooklyn, that's fine, you know, I don't care who's

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<v Speaker 4>with whom, And I hope you all find love and

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<v Speaker 4>live long, happy lives. But I need to write a

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<v Speaker 4>movie or a parody of advill you move to Adville

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<v Speaker 4>and every single couple is an Asian guy married to

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<v Speaker 4>a black woman, you know, because that's the way ads

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<v Speaker 4>are these days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hilarious, but that's fine. I don't actually care much

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<v Speaker 2>next clip. And I've been seeing a.

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<v Speaker 6>Lot of people online being like, Okay, well, if we

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<v Speaker 6>ran the same ad with a black woman, it would

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<v Speaker 6>be interpreted differently.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 6>My thoughts on that is that, you know, a black

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<v Speaker 6>woman probably wouldn't use the same inflection, and you know

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<v Speaker 6>they didn't do that, so you know, they can say

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<v Speaker 6>what ifs all they want, But the fact of the

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<v Speaker 6>matter is is they used a white woman to spend

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<v Speaker 6>a send a very specific message.

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<v Speaker 9>But I am I definitely think if it were a

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<v Speaker 9>black woman, it would send a different message, specifically because

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<v Speaker 9>that's the world that we've created, that we've that we've

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<v Speaker 9>grown up in, and so by specifically using a white

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<v Speaker 9>you know, a white person, it completely disregards everything that

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<v Speaker 9>we've spent the last week of centuries working towards and

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<v Speaker 9>and so that just kind of it just it runs

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<v Speaker 9>us the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 4>She really think that American eagles number one goal, Really

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<v Speaker 4>their only goal is not to sell as many genes

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<v Speaker 4>as possible and make as much probit. You really think

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<v Speaker 4>their goal was to send the message about white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they're that's what they're in business for, That's

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<v Speaker 4>what their shareholders want.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm reminded of a line from an old song, I

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<v Speaker 5>was happier than with no mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>How odd it is and troubling and terrible and neo

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<v Speaker 5>Marxist that it's become our highest hor in our education establishment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's become their highest priority.

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<v Speaker 5>To churn out young people with strong political views, when

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<v Speaker 5>not very long ago at all, the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 5>people in their teens in early twenties may have had

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<v Speaker 5>a stance or two.

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<v Speaker 4>Generally a little left leaning. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 4>buy stances. When I was twenty two, I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what I did exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>They were curious about the world, learning as fast as

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<v Speaker 5>they could, wondering what they would do to make a living,

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<v Speaker 5>looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Love, et cetera. And the strong political beliefs.

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<v Speaker 5>Were way down the line because you don't need them,

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<v Speaker 5>you have much.

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<v Speaker 2>Higher priorities, or you should.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope somebody writes the story someday so future civilizations

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<v Speaker 5>can learn from our bizarre experiment in indoctrinating our young

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<v Speaker 5>people into self hatred and radical politics. Yeah, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>a young person and not like that, hang in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang in there.

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<v Speaker 5>So i'd a lot of your peers agree with you.

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<v Speaker 5>They're just afraid to speak up. So whoever did that

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<v Speaker 5>woman on the street think.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have the slightest idea if they interviewed five

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<v Speaker 4>hundred people to get the ten most political people clips

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<v Speaker 4>to air and make it seem like they are with that,

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<v Speaker 4>or if everybody they talk to was more or less

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<v Speaker 4>like that, I don't have any idea. I was very

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<v Speaker 4>heartened to hear the other day so the new King

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<v Speaker 4>of the Hill was coming back. I didn't realize King

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<v Speaker 4>of the Hills on for like thirteen seasons or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that, the cartoon. My son loves King of the Hill,

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, do you know King of the Hills?

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<v Speaker 4>He said, do you think I don't know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Dad?

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<v Speaker 4>And then he rattled off everything that's happening, so he

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<v Speaker 4>knew about it and I didn't. But they come back

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<v Speaker 4>and Hank and his wife are much older and Bobby

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<v Speaker 4>has a grown up and has a job. But anyway, Mike,

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<v Speaker 4>Judge and the people who make King of the Hill

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<v Speaker 4>the cartoon realizing they needed to answer to the new

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<v Speaker 4>world that exists since King of the Hill went off.

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<v Speaker 4>They had to replace the voice of neighbor Khan or

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<v Speaker 4>they felt like they had to, which was voiced by

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<v Speaker 4>I think Judge, but one of the white guys who worked.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, and you can't do that anymore, which is

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<v Speaker 4>one of the craziest things. We've decided that, like a

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<v Speaker 4>straight person can't play a gay person in a movie

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<v Speaker 4>or voicing things, you have to be the race or

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<v Speaker 4>gender or sexual orientation of the cartoon character you're portraying.

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<v Speaker 4>Or somebody was hurt who got hurt by this? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>So is it Ronnie Chang? Is that how you pronounce

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<v Speaker 4>his name? Chinese comedian? I talked about him years ago

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<v Speaker 4>when I saw his Netflix special. He's freaking hilarious and

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<v Speaker 4>he does one of the daily shows now. I think

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<v Speaker 4>he does a Wednesday night daily show. And we've played

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<v Speaker 4>clips from him. Very funny guy. He's going to voice

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<v Speaker 4>Khn on King of the Hill, and they were They

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<v Speaker 4>asked him about that, like how big a deal would

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<v Speaker 4>it have been if they didn't have an Asian voice

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<v Speaker 4>doing the Asian character in King of the Hill. And

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<v Speaker 4>he said, well, I think five percent of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 4>which makes one hundred percent of the noise, would have

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<v Speaker 4>seemed like a lot to a lot of people. But

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it really would. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>it would actually mattered to anybody, he said. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>that's so fantastic. Yeah, yeah, to not buy to not

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<v Speaker 4>feel like you've got to say, oh, thank God that

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<v Speaker 4>they chose an Asian person to do the Asian voice

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<v Speaker 4>or or something horrible has happened. And Hank is Aria,

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<v Speaker 4>who I like as an actor, you know, who's been

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<v Speaker 4>apologizing now for years for doing the Apu voice on

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<v Speaker 4>The Simpsons. I mean, who was damaged by that name?

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<v Speaker 4>Find me the human being on earth who was hurt

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<v Speaker 4>in any way. It's like standing with a case in

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<v Speaker 4>the Supreme Court. Find someone with standing in this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I have been friends with known Indian people since

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<v Speaker 5>my middle school days, and it hasn't come up yet.

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<v Speaker 5>They're terrible pain and offense that the Apuu character wound

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<v Speaker 5>would have occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>Time to even imagine what it would be.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>Final note among the activists, they know that they just

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<v Speaker 5>want to call euracist until they're in charge. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>technique of capture the useful idiots. Like several of those

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<v Speaker 5>young girls we heard they actually yeah, eternalized it. That's

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<v Speaker 5>a sweetheart. Please to get a boyfriend, Get a boyfriend

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<v Speaker 5>and a job and.

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<v Speaker 2>Call me back in a year.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of the Chinese, millions and millions and millions of

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<v Speaker 4>Chinese were killed by the Japanese in World War Two,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were killing them like crazy as we dropped

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<v Speaker 4>the bomb eighty years ago tomorrow, which another part of

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<v Speaker 4>the whole story that should be better known. I think

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<v Speaker 4>when we're having this discussion about whether or not we

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<v Speaker 4>should have used atomic weapons or not, we'll get to

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<v Speaker 4>that a little bit later this hour. Some of the

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<v Speaker 4>history stuff. I I'm looking up at TV. They're doing

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<v Speaker 4>it right now. That story, among other things. Other way,

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<v Speaker 4>stay here.

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<v Speaker 8>Army diner chain Ihop has unveiled a lux version of

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<v Speaker 8>his Dubai Chocolate pancakes, which it claims are the most

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<v Speaker 8>expensive item.

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<v Speaker 2>They are reserved.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, the most expensive thing at waffle House is the

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<v Speaker 8>ambulance ride.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been to waffle House hundreds of times. I've never

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<v Speaker 4>written in an ambulance once. I've witnessed some fights to

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<v Speaker 4>the death, but I've never ridden in an ambulance. Right, right,

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<v Speaker 4>unfortunate cliche coming up. Why we dropped the bomb on

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<v Speaker 4>Japan eighty years ago tomorrow And Michael, I told you

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<v Speaker 4>remind me of sailing lessons. Also remind me to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about luxury beanbag chairs, which are thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Two phrases I never thought i'd hear out of

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, back to the waffle house thing.

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<v Speaker 5>If you are going to be in a fistfight in

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<v Speaker 5>a restaurant, it's likely to be offul House. Sure, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>McDonald's second place. Terms of likelihood, I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>likely to be in a fist fight in any restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>But unless somebody brings me a.

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<v Speaker 5>Cab that's not quite ready, I'll tell you slap slap

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<v Speaker 5>the tannins, the cabin, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tannin, too many tannins, the too.

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<v Speaker 4>Hot pulp, put up your dukes, the tannins.

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<v Speaker 5>So a couple of stories more or less from the

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<v Speaker 5>world of technology. First of all, Mark Zuckerberg kind of

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<v Speaker 5>declared war on the iPhone the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>He announced that that would be awesome. I'm a big

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<v Speaker 4>fan of free market competition.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yeah, he old Azuk, who is Satan. By

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<v Speaker 5>the way, if you're a new listener, we determined that

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<v Speaker 5>years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, Uh, he's he's totally into the AI thing,

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<v Speaker 5>spending billions and billions and billions of dollars on developing AI,

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<v Speaker 5>and is quite certain that the hand held, the roughly

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<v Speaker 5>wrecked angular glowing box will not be the go to

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<v Speaker 5>hardware device in the future. He's convinced it'll be glasses

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<v Speaker 5>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that's probably true.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how soon or what it will be.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I don't either. But he announced that they're

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<v Speaker 5>going big on both the software and the hardware thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So I wish you well, fine whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I can easily see us moving into an age pretty

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<v Speaker 4>quickly where we look back and remember when everybody used

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<v Speaker 4>to walk around.

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<v Speaker 2>Holding this device? How crazy was that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>And actually I was going to go into something else,

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<v Speaker 5>but there's a fair amount here. He called his vision

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<v Speaker 5>personal super intelligence and drew a path for finally achieving

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<v Speaker 5>his desire to have an Apple like experience that combines

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<v Speaker 5>software and hardware. Personal superintelligence that knows us deeply understands

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<v Speaker 5>our goals and can help us achieve them will be

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<v Speaker 5>by far the most useful.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty interesting to have Zuckerberg a competitor use the term

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<v Speaker 4>a Apple like experience. But it's a good description. That

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<v Speaker 4>was not part of the quote. Okay, but yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 4>the way everybody's taking it. And let's see Zuckerberg.

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<v Speaker 5>Once you get the display in there, there's also going

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<v Speaker 5>to unlock unlock a lot of value where you can

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<v Speaker 5>just interact with an AI system throughout the day in

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<v Speaker 5>a multi modal way.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we're so far away from it. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if if I have to correct. So we

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<v Speaker 4>have a dog named Pomp. I probably send a text

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<v Speaker 4>that includes pup eight times a week. It always auto

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<v Speaker 4>corrects it to pop. How is my phone not figured

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<v Speaker 4>out by now that I use a word called pop

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<v Speaker 4>a thousand times a year, But it hasn't until they

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<v Speaker 4>fixed that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready for AI to take over.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I would forcefully argue that Mark Zuckerberg's vision

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<v Speaker 5>of humanity being constantly effortlessly online is a miserable It's

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<v Speaker 5>a threat, it's not a promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think there's anything you can do about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh I won't have to because human beings will die out.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll continue the trends we're doing right now, and that'll

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<v Speaker 5>end it.

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<v Speaker 4>Why we drop the bomb in Japan among other things

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<v Speaker 4>on the way like glamorous beanbag.

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<v Speaker 2>Chairs, Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub

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<v Speaker 1>can carry twenty Trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty cities at once.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it would be good to play something current

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<v Speaker 4>before we get into discussion about the anniversary tomorrow. Eighty

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<v Speaker 4>years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, we

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<v Speaker 4>still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>People are still willing to fight to the death over

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<v Speaker 4>a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed

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<v Speaker 4>on that front since World War Two. World War One

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<v Speaker 4>was the going to be the War to end all wars.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>And since World War Two, we've now had more people

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<v Speaker 4>die in wars since World War Two than happened during

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<v Speaker 4>World War Two.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe.

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<v Speaker 5>As we speak, we have the most armed conflicts going

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<v Speaker 5>on Earth that has been recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>Really just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and forty or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of

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<v Speaker 4>history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed

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<v Speaker 4>so often, or narratives catch on and they just become

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<v Speaker 4>the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just the way it is. Like our our friend,

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<v Speaker 4>we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote a book a

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<v Speaker 4>couple years called The World Wars, and he was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to make the argument that it was it was really

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<v Speaker 4>separate wars that we call it World War Two, but

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<v Speaker 4>there were separate wars going on that really didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>much to do with each other. This other book that

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<v Speaker 4>I had been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the most recent book written about Downfall. Was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be the was the campaign for US to end

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<v Speaker 4>the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated

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<v Speaker 4>at this point, and we needed to figure out how

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<v Speaker 4>to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really have much to do with each other. There are

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of instances when Japan and Germany kind of

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<v Speaker 4>worked together, but if it ever came down to it,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, think about it. These are two incredibly racist

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<v Speaker 4>regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist un planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Earth, so at least to stay the hell away.

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<v Speaker 4>The Nazis would have killed every Japanese a person on

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<v Speaker 4>Earth if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan

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<v Speaker 4>was an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior

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<v Speaker 4>to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States.

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<v Speaker 4>And this Franks guy is trying to make the argument

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<v Speaker 4>that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't

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<v Speaker 4>worked yet. That World War Two started in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 4>seven when Japan invaded China and started taking over that

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<v Speaker 4>part of the globe because we're mostly from Europe, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're so europe focused, and most of our World War

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<v Speaker 4>two movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis. We

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<v Speaker 4>just we don't we think World War two started in

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<v Speaker 4>September of thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and

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<v Speaker 4>all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the

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<v Speaker 4>Japanese invaded China in nineteen thirty seven and started one

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<v Speaker 4>hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at

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<v Speaker 4>the hands of the Japanese before.

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<v Speaker 2>Four Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's

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<v Speaker 4>ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to

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<v Speaker 4>Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than a Hitler,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan

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<v Speaker 4>controlled twenty percent of the planet, what they were fighting

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<v Speaker 4>at the time that we defeated them, a significantly greater

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<v Speaker 4>chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took

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<v Speaker 4>over most of Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment. But

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<v Speaker 5>I've always reacted to the obscenely, unspeakably stupid statement from

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<v Speaker 5>progressives that only white people can be racist, because ask

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<v Speaker 5>a Korean about the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese person

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<v Speaker 5>about the Chinese, Ask a Filipino about any of them,

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, will they bring the hay anyway. But

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<v Speaker 5>part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>killing eight million of our people, often in horrific you

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<v Speaker 5>know ways.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end,

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<v Speaker 4>fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to

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<v Speaker 4>get close enough to the main island of Japan to

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<v Speaker 4>at the time we thought we were going to invade.

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<v Speaker 4>We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty

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<v Speaker 4>between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties

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<v Speaker 4>happened in the last year of the war. Half of

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<v Speaker 4>all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months

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<v Speaker 4>as we were fighting island to island. By the time

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<v Speaker 4>we got to guadalc Canal, it was the first battle

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<v Speaker 4>in which we lost more people. More men died that

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<v Speaker 4>were US soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just

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<v Speaker 4>figured that that was going to continue as we got

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<v Speaker 4>closer to the island, and then invading the island, we

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<v Speaker 4>were going to take way more deads than they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to take. So people who make the argument we

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't have drip the bomb, why do you think we

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<v Speaker 4>should suffer more losses than the people that attacked us?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the argument there?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on

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<v Speaker 5>that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me

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<v Speaker 5>to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for

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<v Speaker 5>two months in three weeks and was one of the

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<v Speaker 5>last big ones before we were either going to invade

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<v Speaker 5>Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa,

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<v Speaker 5>fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties,

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<v Speaker 5>also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army. According

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<v Speaker 5>to local authorities, at least one hundred and forty nine

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<v Speaker 5>thousand Okinawan people were killed, died by courst suicide, or

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<v Speaker 5>went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>it's unspeakable. It's unthinkable.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a version of total war that is practically

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<v Speaker 4>unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. And then as to the idea that

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<v Speaker 4>Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had

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<v Speaker 4>never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence,

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<v Speaker 4>they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently,

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<v Speaker 4>during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had

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<v Speaker 4>to surrendered in any battle, no matter how defeated they were,

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 4>they would continue to fight until they were all dead.

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<v Speaker 2>That was just the last spent their culture.

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 4>And it's kind of hard for us to get into

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 4>the mindset of It's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked.

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 4>They have a culture and a mindset that we do

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 4>not have of where they would take such great pride

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 4>to have their young son go get in a plane

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 4>and fly it into a ship and die. They were

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 4>perfectly okay with that. It made every bit of sense

0:24:54.280 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 4>to them to serve their god king thing that they

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 4>had going on. That we also can't quite wrap our

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 4>heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch,

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.159
<v Speaker 4>but it was a religious figure, and we just we

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 4>can't it doesn't make any sense to us culturally the

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 4>way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 4>fan of World War One, you know the hole stabbed

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 4>in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.960
<v Speaker 4>lost and we left their government, we the Allies, left

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 4>their government in charge.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Then the young.

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 4>Hitlers of the world, people that had fought in the war,

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 4>started this whole. Our government stabbed us in the back,

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 4>and it's the dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 4>grew and grew and grew and led to the rise

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 4>of the anger of the German society and Nazi Germany

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 4>and World War two and all that. Roosevelt knew that,

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 4>and he didn't want to leave in Germany or Japan

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 4>any He wanted to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan,

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 4>every man, woman and child in the country had to

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 4>believe they were defeated. To make sure that they either

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 4>one of them didn't rise up again. They had to

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 4>all know they were beaten, completely beaten.

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 2>They were their own government didn't stab in the back,

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>None like that happened.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 4>They were soundly defeated, and that was one of the

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 4>reasons they had to take it clear to the end

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 4>the way they did, combined with that nobody had ever surrendered,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 4>so there was no reason to think they would ever

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 4>give up. The Japanese we now have we've only had

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 4>this for thirty years. We now have the communications that

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 4>were going on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 4>are only six people in control of the whole decision,

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 4>they called the Big Six. Five of them were in

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the military, and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever,

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 4>and they were willing to lose tens of millions of

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 4>Japanese civilians. They believed if we if we surrounded him

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 4>and did a blockade and tried to starve them out,

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 4>which ended up that was going to be the plan.

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 4>If we didn't drop the bomb, We're going to surround

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Japan and starve millions of people until they surrendered, which

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 4>would have killed way more people than the bombs killed.

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 4>But the Big Six in Japan, they figured, if twenty

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 4>million Japanese starve, the world opinion will finally turn against

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 4>the Allies in the United States.

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>And will be very hamas like strategy.

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation.

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 4>They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 4>there is a way out that would have been less

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 4>deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also, I mentioned it the

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 4>other day, but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 4>people were killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 4>where you you know you do the cutoff because cancer

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 4>later and everything like that. But around two hundred thousand

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.719
<v Speaker 4>died from the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow,

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 4>and then on the ninth the other bomb. Twice as

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 4>many Japanese as that died at the hands of the

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Russians in the very same weeks, as Russia was coming

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 4>on and taking ground and trying to take it back

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 4>from the death much more ruthless than we were.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 2>When you ever hear anybody say anything about that.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, self hate tred is the hallmark of the

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 5>progressive and they're proud of it, and they stoke it,

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 5>they like it, and it's just it's it's a perverse.

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 4>They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion,

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 4>some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 4>to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships, which

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 4>would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 4>only known this since the nineties, that our navy decided,

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 4>who ain't going to do this? That's a no. We're

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 4>a no vote on that. So the ground invasion was

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 4>not gonna have it because it would have been too deadly.

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 4>It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it was either

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 4>starve them out or drop the bomb. So I went

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 4>to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When was that

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 4>three four years ago that that Oppenheimer movie came out.

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 4>This friend was a super lib But anyway, we're driving

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 4>away from the movie theater and we're having a conversation

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 4>about the whole should we have dropped the bomb or not?

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Kind of got started the conversation, and it was very

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 4>funny because it took us ten fifteen minutes of driving

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and saying, I know, can you believe that there are

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 4>some people that believe that Before we realized we were,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 4>we had completely different positions. We're both saying, I know,

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 4>it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking it's

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 4>crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 4>She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 4>have dropped the bomb, and at some point and it

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 4>got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 4>we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 4>of us on whichever side, just can't believe the other

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 4>side believed what they believe. And I'm on the side

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 4>of obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 4>have given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 4>that think it's just nuts that we opened up the

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 4>can of worms, and it's one of the great black

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 4>marks in US history that we crossed that line and

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 4>dropped in atomicbaham. Yeah, what's the other pushback? The best

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 4>put what's what's the college kid college professor.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Pushback on dropping the bomb?

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 5>That Japan was prepared to offer a not unconditional, but

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 5>more or less complete surrender, and that it just had

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 5>to be worked out over the course of a couple

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 5>more days of conversation.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no documentation for that.

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 5>There are a couple of communications from a couple of

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 5>people that hint that that might be possible, and they

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 5>extrapolate from there and feel free. We can talk about

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 5>this as long as you want, But on the at

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 5>home sociological why do people believe what your friend did.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 5>It occurred to me, and I've said this many, many times,

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 5>that if you are on the left, you get a

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 5>great deal of social reinforcement, a lot of pats on

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 5>the back, acceptance for being a self hating American.

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's funny. I hadn't really looked at it from

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the other perspect.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 5>If you cannot be accepted in those circles, if you

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 5>are a patriotic American who thinks, by and large, we

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 5>have been a great country doing mostly the right thing.

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean that is you are drummed out. That's It's

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 5>like committing an act of violence, you know, at a

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 5>social club.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 5>There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.239
<v Speaker 5>those people. Well, just as a response to your thing

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 5>for we and we can break. And I don't want

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.479
<v Speaker 5>to get two in the weeds on this, but the

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 5>Big Six made all the decisions for Japan. If there

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 5>was going to be any sort of surrender, they would

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 5>have to do it. There's no indication anybody in that

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 5>group wanted to surrender. And five of the six were

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 5>in the military and they absolutely were into fighting to

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 5>the last man.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>So it just was never going to happen right anyway.

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to get this on on the fifth because

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 4>I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a lot of

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 4>news from mainstream media pushing the idea that we did

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 4>something wrong, and I'll be interested to see how that

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 4>plays on your evening newscasts. Do you have any comment

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 4>on naming of this text line four one, five, two

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 4>nine KFTC. Well, before I get into it, do you

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.239
<v Speaker 4>have a compelling reason for why we the eighty year

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 4>anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow?

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Do you have a reason why we focus so much

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 4>more on the fight in the nazis European part of

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 4>World War Two as opposed to the Pacific War.

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't know that I've perceived that in the same

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 5>way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War,

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 5>partly because my father in law served there, and I've

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 5>always been acutely aware of it.

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe a culturally, I don't know.

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 4>I know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything, like,

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 4>the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I think

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 4>it's because it was just so morally more clear cut

0:32:56.680 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 4>things got so ugly against the Japanese bit by bit,

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 4>island by island, where both sides were just so. The

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 4>book i'm reading read several of them, Twilight of the

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 4>Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the definitive.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Books on it. He had a start. Oh, by the way,

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>we got a text the Japanese.

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 4>The text was, it's cute that you think the Japanese

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 4>surrendered because of the bombs. It was because they knew

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Russia was coming. There's no documentation about that. If you

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 4>have a book that says that's true, that's a common narrative,

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 4>but there's no documentation that that conversation was being had

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 4>by the Big Six who made these decisions in Japan.

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 4>So if you have a different book that says they were,

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, feel free to text me.

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be interested in reading it.

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 4>For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 4>remember which one it was, but this became a common thing.

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 4>Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 4>had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths,

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 4>sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 4>Japanese soldiers had come across you know, a wounded marine

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 4>cut off his junk stick in his mouth, So we

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 4>got more and more brutal, and it just it got

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 4>that way to where it was just like freaking Lord

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 4>of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get,

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 4>foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 4>the blood and your own feces and everything right across

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 4>the islands, And that's what it was going to be

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 4>in Japan. And it had a story in there of

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.479
<v Speaker 4>collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 4>collect gold teeth, And it had a story in there

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 4>about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 4>alive Japanese who he then took his bayonet and started

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 4>digging in the guy's mouth trying to pry his teeth

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 4>out while they're still alive. Some of his fellow US

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 4>soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 4>the guy in the head to put him out of

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 4>his misery. But that's the sort of warfare it was

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 4>there at the end, and it was going to be

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 4>that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 4>of Japan if we actually invaded.

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 5>Well, and I think have got more coverage, partly because

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 5>a film crew could do what they did then go

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 5>back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 5>can't do that in the islands of the Pacific coming

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 5>up next hour. Among the other things progressives have completely

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 5>screwed up in America, our libraries like actively, like they're

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 5>doing it deliberately. This is not some sort of paranoid wackiness.

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I've got it. In their own words, stay with us.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.800
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