Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and he.
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: Too much news, That's what I say.
Speaker 4: If you'd have told me a week ago that we'd
Speaker 4: have been talking about that stupid Cindy's what's her name?
Speaker 4: Chick blonde Chickney Sweeney, Yes, blonde chick gene ad every
Speaker 4: day for a week.
Speaker 2: O would have said, how would that possibly happen?
Speaker 5: But here we are, says the guy who's soft on
Speaker 5: fascism apparently, and eugenics and Nazism, and am I leaving
Speaker 5: anything else?
Speaker 4: I ordered some of the Nazi gens yesterday. I'll have
Speaker 4: them tomorrow. I'll wear them to work, Yes, American Eagle,
Speaker 4: Is that a dog whistle?
Speaker 5: No? This is fidoh Kamara, Kamara, that's a dog whistle.
Speaker 5: The jeans are just genes anyway.
Speaker 2: One of the more.
Speaker 5: Interesting challenges we have in society, American society these days,
Speaker 5: although it occurs to me it's international, is what the
Speaker 5: hell do we do about our young women losing their
Speaker 5: minds like they don't get together with a dude or
Speaker 5: another female, which I'm told is a thing. They don't
Speaker 5: have a partner, a romantic partner, they don't have children,
Speaker 5: they have no interest in starting families, and so it
Speaker 5: would appear that they are pouring their feminine energies into
Speaker 5: radical politics. I mean to a huge extent. And we've
Speaker 5: talked about this because you know, you look at the
Speaker 5: poles of young women age seventeen to twenty seven and men,
Speaker 5: and they're politically just completely divergent. Right anyway, the gas
Speaker 5: have gone nuts in a way that has never been right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's completely unpressing young people.
Speaker 4: There used to be equal number of people lean right
Speaker 4: or left, usually more left than right for young people.
Speaker 2: Always has been no way.
Speaker 4: But boys and girls are the same now they're not
Speaker 4: like so many other groups, which is not yet.
Speaker 5: It's a weird, unprecedented demographic.
Speaker 2: Mutation.
Speaker 5: Anyway, What to do about it? I don't have any
Speaker 5: idea other and keep doing what we're doing. Y'all do
Speaker 5: what you do to try to rein in those you love.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so the whole Sydney Sweeney fake reversy over
Speaker 5: the Genes commercial refuses to die. And somebody did, some
Speaker 5: woman on the street interviews at some sort of gathering
Speaker 5: of pierced beher dyed sexually ambiguous looking young women, and
Speaker 5: got these answers. We'll start with fifteen Michael was they asked,
Speaker 5: She asked, is the question included? Go ahead, just play
Speaker 5: the first.
Speaker 2: One to Sydney Sad.
Speaker 6: Have you seen it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, I have?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: Trying to calm myself, but that would girl.
Speaker 7: Mmmm, Sydney Sweeney has good jeep, really like the eugenics
Speaker 7: in that it's dripping with it, And I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, all right, so I mean that kind of
Speaker 2: stands on his own.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm interested to hear is does somebody
Speaker 5: actually make a case, make an argument, or do they
Speaker 5: just repeat the catchwords?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it seemed to me there it's certainly until
Speaker 4: the end, I thought, Okay, she's got no, she just
Speaker 4: knows she's supposed to be upset.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have an argument for her. Yeah, but she
Speaker 2: heard eugenics right. Next one, Well, I.
Speaker 7: Get both sides of the argument, like she's talking about
Speaker 7: like actual genes, But then I get the other side
Speaker 7: saying like oh but like this could be like a
Speaker 7: play on words for like something else. But like, honestly,
Speaker 7: I think there's just so much more going on the
Speaker 7: world that like an ad about Sidney Sweeney isn't something
Speaker 7: that we need to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: Good for you, Oh wow, Wow, there's hope. There's hope
Speaker 2: next one. And when you saw it, what did you
Speaker 2: think of.
Speaker 8: I mean, I thought, you know, it was disgusting.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's.
Speaker 7: Just showing what kind of country we're turning into, because
Speaker 7: it's white supremacy at the end of the day.
Speaker 9: That's what this ad is representing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a good look.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, she knowed the blonde hair, blue eyed,
Speaker 10: white woman, you know, very cute, and a lot of
Speaker 10: the things she's been doing online have been a little
Speaker 10: bit questionable. It seems that she's definitely been, you know,
Speaker 10: pandering to a certain group of men online.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: So they turned it into particularly attacking her when, like
Speaker 4: I was saying, yesterday, I'm sure her agent got a
Speaker 4: call from American Eagle, would would you're a client be
Speaker 4: willing to oppose in jeans for five million dollars? Sure,
Speaker 4: she showed up for an hour, crawled around or sat
Speaker 4: on benches or whatever she does in the ads. And
Speaker 4: her jeans and went home. She didn't think she was
Speaker 4: doing anything. I would imagine that was going to make
Speaker 4: the news early.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the outrage against a product using sexual appeal
Speaker 5: to sell is well, that's that's cute.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's fine. Well, I'm young.
Speaker 4: I'm stealing this from Charles Cook of National Review, but
Speaker 4: he was making the point that so we've been seeing
Speaker 4: ads for the last however many years where you mostly
Speaker 4: have people in the ads that don't represent the majority
Speaker 4: of the country, whether it's the piercings, tight percent of
Speaker 4: the couples are interracial, for instance, right, which is fine, sir,
Speaker 4: and I get the blowback after years of every ad
Speaker 4: only having white people. But this ad features a girl
Speaker 4: who's like the probably the majority person in the country,
Speaker 4: if not majority, the plurality. The big I guessed group
Speaker 4: of anybody in the country is probably white women. I
Speaker 4: think it's almost guaranteed to be true. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: So if you.
Speaker 4: Have an ad featuring the largest segment of society, even
Speaker 4: if it's not most people, that is attacked. If you
Speaker 4: have so many who represents a tiny chunk of people
Speaker 4: from Brooklyn, that's fine, you know, I don't care who's
Speaker 4: with whom, And I hope you all find love and
Speaker 4: live long, happy lives. But I need to write a
Speaker 4: movie or a parody of advill you move to Adville
Speaker 4: and every single couple is an Asian guy married to
Speaker 4: a black woman, you know, because that's the way ads
Speaker 4: are these days.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious, but that's fine. I don't actually care much
Speaker 2: next clip. And I've been seeing a.
Speaker 6: Lot of people online being like, Okay, well, if we
Speaker 6: ran the same ad with a black woman, it would
Speaker 6: be interpreted differently.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: My thoughts on that is that, you know, a black
Speaker 6: woman probably wouldn't use the same inflection, and you know
Speaker 6: they didn't do that, so you know, they can say
Speaker 6: what ifs all they want, But the fact of the
Speaker 6: matter is is they used a white woman to spend
Speaker 6: a send a very specific message.
Speaker 9: But I am I definitely think if it were a
Speaker 9: black woman, it would send a different message, specifically because
Speaker 9: that's the world that we've created, that we've that we've
Speaker 9: grown up in, and so by specifically using a white
Speaker 9: you know, a white person, it completely disregards everything that
Speaker 9: we've spent the last week of centuries working towards and
Speaker 9: and so that just kind of it just it runs
Speaker 9: us the wrong way.
Speaker 4: She really think that American eagles number one goal, Really
Speaker 4: their only goal is not to sell as many genes
Speaker 4: as possible and make as much probit. You really think
Speaker 4: their goal was to send the message about white supremacy.
Speaker 4: That's what they're that's what they're in business for, That's
Speaker 4: what their shareholders want.
Speaker 5: I'm reminded of a line from an old song, I
Speaker 5: was happier than with no mindset.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: How odd it is and troubling and terrible and neo
Speaker 5: Marxist that it's become our highest hor in our education establishment.
Speaker 2: It's become their highest priority.
Speaker 5: To churn out young people with strong political views, when
Speaker 5: not very long ago at all, the vast majority of
Speaker 5: people in their teens in early twenties may have had
Speaker 5: a stance or two.
Speaker 4: Generally a little left leaning. I don't know if I
Speaker 4: buy stances. When I was twenty two, I really don't.
Speaker 2: Know what I did exactly.
Speaker 5: They were curious about the world, learning as fast as
Speaker 5: they could, wondering what they would do to make a living,
Speaker 5: looking for.
Speaker 2: Love, et cetera. And the strong political beliefs.
Speaker 5: Were way down the line because you don't need them,
Speaker 5: you have much.
Speaker 2: Higher priorities, or you should.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: I hope somebody writes the story someday so future civilizations
Speaker 5: can learn from our bizarre experiment in indoctrinating our young
Speaker 5: people into self hatred and radical politics. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 5: a young person and not like that, hang in there.
Speaker 2: Hang in there.
Speaker 5: So i'd a lot of your peers agree with you.
Speaker 5: They're just afraid to speak up. So whoever did that
Speaker 5: woman on the street think.
Speaker 4: I don't have the slightest idea if they interviewed five
Speaker 4: hundred people to get the ten most political people clips
Speaker 4: to air and make it seem like they are with that,
Speaker 4: or if everybody they talk to was more or less
Speaker 4: like that, I don't have any idea. I was very
Speaker 4: heartened to hear the other day so the new King
Speaker 4: of the Hill was coming back. I didn't realize King
Speaker 4: of the Hills on for like thirteen seasons or something
Speaker 4: like that, the cartoon. My son loves King of the Hill,
Speaker 4: And I said, do you know King of the Hills?
Speaker 4: He said, do you think I don't know that?
Speaker 2: Dad?
Speaker 4: And then he rattled off everything that's happening, so he
Speaker 4: knew about it and I didn't. But they come back
Speaker 4: and Hank and his wife are much older and Bobby
Speaker 4: has a grown up and has a job. But anyway, Mike,
Speaker 4: Judge and the people who make King of the Hill
Speaker 4: the cartoon realizing they needed to answer to the new
Speaker 4: world that exists since King of the Hill went off.
Speaker 4: They had to replace the voice of neighbor Khan or
Speaker 4: they felt like they had to, which was voiced by
Speaker 4: I think Judge, but one of the white guys who worked.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 4: You know, and you can't do that anymore, which is
Speaker 4: one of the craziest things. We've decided that, like a
Speaker 4: straight person can't play a gay person in a movie
Speaker 4: or voicing things, you have to be the race or
Speaker 4: gender or sexual orientation of the cartoon character you're portraying.
Speaker 4: Or somebody was hurt who got hurt by this? Anyway,
Speaker 4: So is it Ronnie Chang? Is that how you pronounce
Speaker 4: his name? Chinese comedian? I talked about him years ago
Speaker 4: when I saw his Netflix special. He's freaking hilarious and
Speaker 4: he does one of the daily shows now. I think
Speaker 4: he does a Wednesday night daily show. And we've played
Speaker 4: clips from him. Very funny guy. He's going to voice
Speaker 4: Khn on King of the Hill, and they were They
Speaker 4: asked him about that, like how big a deal would
Speaker 4: it have been if they didn't have an Asian voice
Speaker 4: doing the Asian character in King of the Hill. And
Speaker 4: he said, well, I think five percent of the Internet,
Speaker 4: which makes one hundred percent of the noise, would have
Speaker 4: seemed like a lot to a lot of people. But
Speaker 4: I don't think it really would. But I don't think
Speaker 4: it would actually mattered to anybody, he said. And I thought,
Speaker 4: that's so fantastic. Yeah, yeah, to not buy to not
Speaker 4: feel like you've got to say, oh, thank God that
Speaker 4: they chose an Asian person to do the Asian voice
Speaker 4: or or something horrible has happened. And Hank is Aria,
Speaker 4: who I like as an actor, you know, who's been
Speaker 4: apologizing now for years for doing the Apu voice on
Speaker 4: The Simpsons. I mean, who was damaged by that name?
Speaker 4: Find me the human being on earth who was hurt
Speaker 4: in any way. It's like standing with a case in
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. Find someone with standing in this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have been friends with known Indian people since
Speaker 5: my middle school days, and it hasn't come up yet.
Speaker 5: They're terrible pain and offense that the Apuu character wound
Speaker 5: would have occurred.
Speaker 2: Time to even imagine what it would be.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: Final note among the activists, they know that they just
Speaker 5: want to call euracist until they're in charge. It's a
Speaker 5: technique of capture the useful idiots. Like several of those
Speaker 5: young girls we heard they actually yeah, eternalized it. That's
Speaker 5: a sweetheart. Please to get a boyfriend, Get a boyfriend
Speaker 5: and a job and.
Speaker 2: Call me back in a year.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Chinese, millions and millions and millions of
Speaker 4: Chinese were killed by the Japanese in World War Two,
Speaker 4: and they were killing them like crazy as we dropped
Speaker 4: the bomb eighty years ago tomorrow, which another part of
Speaker 4: the whole story that should be better known. I think
Speaker 4: when we're having this discussion about whether or not we
Speaker 4: should have used atomic weapons or not, we'll get to
Speaker 4: that a little bit later this hour. Some of the
Speaker 4: history stuff. I I'm looking up at TV. They're doing
Speaker 4: it right now. That story, among other things. Other way,
Speaker 4: stay here.
Speaker 8: Army diner chain Ihop has unveiled a lux version of
Speaker 8: his Dubai Chocolate pancakes, which it claims are the most
Speaker 8: expensive item.
Speaker 2: They are reserved.
Speaker 8: Well, the most expensive thing at waffle House is the
Speaker 8: ambulance ride.
Speaker 4: I've been to waffle House hundreds of times. I've never
Speaker 4: written in an ambulance once. I've witnessed some fights to
Speaker 4: the death, but I've never ridden in an ambulance. Right, right,
Speaker 4: unfortunate cliche coming up. Why we dropped the bomb on
Speaker 4: Japan eighty years ago tomorrow And Michael, I told you
Speaker 4: remind me of sailing lessons. Also remind me to talk
Speaker 4: about luxury beanbag chairs, which are thing.
Speaker 2: Wow. Two phrases I never thought i'd hear out of
Speaker 2: your mouth.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: You know, back to the waffle house thing.
Speaker 5: If you are going to be in a fistfight in
Speaker 5: a restaurant, it's likely to be offul House. Sure, maybe
Speaker 5: McDonald's second place. Terms of likelihood, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 5: likely to be in a fist fight in any restaurant.
Speaker 2: But unless somebody brings me a.
Speaker 5: Cab that's not quite ready, I'll tell you slap slap
Speaker 5: the tannins, the cabin, the.
Speaker 2: Tannin, too many tannins, the too.
Speaker 4: Hot pulp, put up your dukes, the tannins.
Speaker 5: So a couple of stories more or less from the
Speaker 5: world of technology. First of all, Mark Zuckerberg kind of
Speaker 5: declared war on the iPhone the other day.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: He announced that that would be awesome. I'm a big
Speaker 4: fan of free market competition.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, he old Azuk, who is Satan. By
Speaker 5: the way, if you're a new listener, we determined that
Speaker 5: years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: But anyway, Uh, he's he's totally into the AI thing,
Speaker 5: spending billions and billions and billions of dollars on developing AI,
Speaker 5: and is quite certain that the hand held, the roughly
Speaker 5: wrecked angular glowing box will not be the go to
Speaker 5: hardware device in the future. He's convinced it'll be glasses
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 4: I believe that's probably true.
Speaker 2: I don't know how soon or what it will be.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't either. But he announced that they're
Speaker 5: going big on both the software and the hardware thing.
Speaker 5: So I wish you well, fine whatever.
Speaker 4: I can easily see us moving into an age pretty
Speaker 4: quickly where we look back and remember when everybody used
Speaker 4: to walk around.
Speaker 2: Holding this device? How crazy was that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: And actually I was going to go into something else,
Speaker 5: but there's a fair amount here. He called his vision
Speaker 5: personal super intelligence and drew a path for finally achieving
Speaker 5: his desire to have an Apple like experience that combines
Speaker 5: software and hardware. Personal superintelligence that knows us deeply understands
Speaker 5: our goals and can help us achieve them will be
Speaker 5: by far the most useful.
Speaker 4: Pretty interesting to have Zuckerberg a competitor use the term
Speaker 4: a Apple like experience. But it's a good description. That
Speaker 4: was not part of the quote. Okay, but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: the way everybody's taking it. And let's see Zuckerberg.
Speaker 5: Once you get the display in there, there's also going
Speaker 5: to unlock unlock a lot of value where you can
Speaker 5: just interact with an AI system throughout the day in
Speaker 5: a multi modal way.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're so far away from it. I
Speaker 4: don't know if if I have to correct. So we
Speaker 4: have a dog named Pomp. I probably send a text
Speaker 4: that includes pup eight times a week. It always auto
Speaker 4: corrects it to pop. How is my phone not figured
Speaker 4: out by now that I use a word called pop
Speaker 4: a thousand times a year, But it hasn't until they
Speaker 4: fixed that.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready for AI to take over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would forcefully argue that Mark Zuckerberg's vision
Speaker 5: of humanity being constantly effortlessly online is a miserable It's
Speaker 5: a threat, it's not a promise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's anything you can do about that.
Speaker 5: Oh I won't have to because human beings will die out.
Speaker 5: We'll continue the trends we're doing right now, and that'll
Speaker 5: end it.
Speaker 4: Why we drop the bomb in Japan among other things
Speaker 4: on the way like glamorous beanbag.
Speaker 2: Chairs, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1: The US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen
Speaker 1: are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub
Speaker 1: can carry twenty Trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each,
Speaker 1: meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty cities at once.
Speaker 4: I thought it would be good to play something current
Speaker 4: before we get into discussion about the anniversary tomorrow. Eighty
Speaker 4: years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, we
Speaker 4: still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation.
Speaker 4: People are still willing to fight to the death over
Speaker 4: a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed
Speaker 4: on that front since World War Two. World War One
Speaker 4: was the going to be the War to end all wars.
Speaker 4: Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger.
Speaker 4: And since World War Two, we've now had more people
Speaker 4: die in wars since World War Two than happened during
Speaker 4: World War Two.
Speaker 2: And I believe.
Speaker 5: As we speak, we have the most armed conflicts going
Speaker 5: on Earth that has been recorded.
Speaker 2: Really just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's
Speaker 2: like one hundred and forty or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of
Speaker 4: history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed
Speaker 4: so often, or narratives catch on and they just become
Speaker 4: the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate,
Speaker 4: and it's just the way it is. Like our our friend,
Speaker 4: we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote a book a
Speaker 4: couple years called The World Wars, and he was trying
Speaker 4: to make the argument that it was it was really
Speaker 4: separate wars that we call it World War Two, but
Speaker 4: there were separate wars going on that really didn't have
Speaker 4: much to do with each other. This other book that
Speaker 4: I had been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B.
Speaker 2: Frank.
Speaker 4: It's the most recent book written about Downfall. Was going
Speaker 4: to be the was the campaign for US to end
Speaker 4: the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen
Speaker 4: forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated
Speaker 4: at this point, and we needed to figure out how
Speaker 4: to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy.
Speaker 4: But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't
Speaker 4: really have much to do with each other. There are
Speaker 4: a couple of instances when Japan and Germany kind of
Speaker 4: worked together, but if it ever came down to it,
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. These are two incredibly racist
Speaker 4: regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist un planet.
Speaker 2: Earth, so at least to stay the hell away.
Speaker 4: The Nazis would have killed every Japanese a person on
Speaker 4: Earth if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan
Speaker 4: was an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior
Speaker 4: to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States.
Speaker 4: And this Franks guy is trying to make the argument
Speaker 4: that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't
Speaker 4: worked yet. That World War Two started in nineteen thirty
Speaker 4: seven when Japan invaded China and started taking over that
Speaker 4: part of the globe because we're mostly from Europe, and
Speaker 4: we're so europe focused, and most of our World War
Speaker 4: two movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis. We
Speaker 4: just we don't we think World War two started in
Speaker 4: September of thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and
Speaker 4: all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the
Speaker 4: Japanese invaded China in nineteen thirty seven and started one
Speaker 4: hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at
Speaker 4: the hands of the Japanese before.
Speaker 2: Four Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's
Speaker 4: ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to
Speaker 4: Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened,
Speaker 4: I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than a Hitler,
Speaker 4: and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan
Speaker 4: controlled twenty percent of the planet, what they were fighting
Speaker 4: at the time that we defeated them, a significantly greater
Speaker 4: chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took
Speaker 4: over most of Europe.
Speaker 5: And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment. But
Speaker 5: I've always reacted to the obscenely, unspeakably stupid statement from
Speaker 5: progressives that only white people can be racist, because ask
Speaker 5: a Korean about the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese person
Speaker 5: about the Chinese, Ask a Filipino about any of them,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, will they bring the hay anyway. But
Speaker 5: part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know,
Speaker 5: killing eight million of our people, often in horrific you
Speaker 5: know ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end,
Speaker 4: fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to
Speaker 4: get close enough to the main island of Japan to
Speaker 4: at the time we thought we were going to invade.
Speaker 4: We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because
Speaker 4: it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty
Speaker 4: between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties
Speaker 4: happened in the last year of the war. Half of
Speaker 4: all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months
Speaker 4: as we were fighting island to island. By the time
Speaker 4: we got to guadalc Canal, it was the first battle
Speaker 4: in which we lost more people. More men died that
Speaker 4: were US soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just
Speaker 4: figured that that was going to continue as we got
Speaker 4: closer to the island, and then invading the island, we
Speaker 4: were going to take way more deads than they were
Speaker 4: going to take. So people who make the argument we
Speaker 4: shouldn't have drip the bomb, why do you think we
Speaker 4: should suffer more losses than the people that attacked us?
Speaker 2: What's the argument there?
Speaker 5: Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on
Speaker 5: that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me
Speaker 5: to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for
Speaker 5: two months in three weeks and was one of the
Speaker 5: last big ones before we were either going to invade
Speaker 5: Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa,
Speaker 5: fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties,
Speaker 5: also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army. According
Speaker 5: to local authorities, at least one hundred and forty nine
Speaker 5: thousand Okinawan people were killed, died by courst suicide, or
Speaker 5: went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was, oh,
Speaker 5: it's unspeakable. It's unthinkable.
Speaker 4: It is a version of total war that is practically
Speaker 4: unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often,
Speaker 4: I don't know. And then as to the idea that
Speaker 4: Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had
Speaker 4: never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence,
Speaker 4: they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently,
Speaker 4: during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had
Speaker 4: to surrendered in any battle, no matter how defeated they were,
Speaker 4: they would continue to fight until they were all dead.
Speaker 2: That was just the last spent their culture.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of hard for us to get into
Speaker 4: the mindset of It's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked.
Speaker 4: They have a culture and a mindset that we do
Speaker 4: not have of where they would take such great pride
Speaker 4: to have their young son go get in a plane
Speaker 4: and fly it into a ship and die. They were
Speaker 4: perfectly okay with that. It made every bit of sense
Speaker 4: to them to serve their god king thing that they
Speaker 4: had going on. That we also can't quite wrap our
Speaker 4: heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch,
Speaker 4: but it was a religious figure, and we just we
Speaker 4: can't it doesn't make any sense to us culturally the
Speaker 4: way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a
Speaker 4: fan of World War One, you know the hole stabbed
Speaker 4: in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany
Speaker 4: lost and we left their government, we the Allies, left
Speaker 4: their government in charge.
Speaker 2: Then the young.
Speaker 4: Hitlers of the world, people that had fought in the war,
Speaker 4: started this whole. Our government stabbed us in the back,
Speaker 4: and it's the dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that
Speaker 4: grew and grew and grew and led to the rise
Speaker 4: of the anger of the German society and Nazi Germany
Speaker 4: and World War two and all that. Roosevelt knew that,
Speaker 4: and he didn't want to leave in Germany or Japan
Speaker 4: any He wanted to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan,
Speaker 4: every man, woman and child in the country had to
Speaker 4: believe they were defeated. To make sure that they either
Speaker 4: one of them didn't rise up again. They had to
Speaker 4: all know they were beaten, completely beaten.
Speaker 2: They were their own government didn't stab in the back,
Speaker 2: None like that happened.
Speaker 4: They were soundly defeated, and that was one of the
Speaker 4: reasons they had to take it clear to the end
Speaker 4: the way they did, combined with that nobody had ever surrendered,
Speaker 4: so there was no reason to think they would ever
Speaker 4: give up. The Japanese we now have we've only had
Speaker 4: this for thirty years. We now have the communications that
Speaker 4: were going on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There
Speaker 4: are only six people in control of the whole decision,
Speaker 4: they called the Big Six. Five of them were in
Speaker 4: the military, and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever,
Speaker 4: and they were willing to lose tens of millions of
Speaker 4: Japanese civilians. They believed if we if we surrounded him
Speaker 4: and did a blockade and tried to starve them out,
Speaker 4: which ended up that was going to be the plan.
Speaker 4: If we didn't drop the bomb, We're going to surround
Speaker 4: Japan and starve millions of people until they surrendered, which
Speaker 4: would have killed way more people than the bombs killed.
Speaker 4: But the Big Six in Japan, they figured, if twenty
Speaker 4: million Japanese starve, the world opinion will finally turn against
Speaker 4: the Allies in the United States.
Speaker 2: And will be very hamas like strategy.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation.
Speaker 4: They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that
Speaker 4: there is a way out that would have been less
Speaker 4: deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also, I mentioned it the
Speaker 4: other day, but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand
Speaker 4: people were killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on
Speaker 4: where you you know you do the cutoff because cancer
Speaker 4: later and everything like that. But around two hundred thousand
Speaker 4: died from the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow,
Speaker 4: and then on the ninth the other bomb. Twice as
Speaker 4: many Japanese as that died at the hands of the
Speaker 4: Russians in the very same weeks, as Russia was coming
Speaker 4: on and taking ground and trying to take it back
Speaker 4: from the death much more ruthless than we were.
Speaker 2: When you ever hear anybody say anything about that.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, self hate tred is the hallmark of the
Speaker 5: progressive and they're proud of it, and they stoke it,
Speaker 5: they like it, and it's just it's it's a perverse.
Speaker 4: They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion,
Speaker 4: some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going
Speaker 4: to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships, which
Speaker 4: would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've
Speaker 4: only known this since the nineties, that our navy decided,
Speaker 4: who ain't going to do this? That's a no. We're
Speaker 4: a no vote on that. So the ground invasion was
Speaker 4: not gonna have it because it would have been too deadly.
Speaker 4: It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it was either
Speaker 4: starve them out or drop the bomb. So I went
Speaker 4: to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When was that
Speaker 4: three four years ago that that Oppenheimer movie came out.
Speaker 4: This friend was a super lib But anyway, we're driving
Speaker 4: away from the movie theater and we're having a conversation
Speaker 4: about the whole should we have dropped the bomb or not?
Speaker 4: Kind of got started the conversation, and it was very
Speaker 4: funny because it took us ten fifteen minutes of driving
Speaker 4: and saying, I know, can you believe that there are
Speaker 4: some people that believe that Before we realized we were,
Speaker 4: we had completely different positions. We're both saying, I know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking it's
Speaker 4: crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.
Speaker 4: She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should
Speaker 4: have dropped the bomb, and at some point and it
Speaker 4: got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh,
Speaker 4: we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those
Speaker 4: of us on whichever side, just can't believe the other
Speaker 4: side believed what they believe. And I'm on the side
Speaker 4: of obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't
Speaker 4: have given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people
Speaker 4: that think it's just nuts that we opened up the
Speaker 4: can of worms, and it's one of the great black
Speaker 4: marks in US history that we crossed that line and
Speaker 4: dropped in atomicbaham. Yeah, what's the other pushback? The best
Speaker 4: put what's what's the college kid college professor.
Speaker 2: Pushback on dropping the bomb?
Speaker 5: That Japan was prepared to offer a not unconditional, but
Speaker 5: more or less complete surrender, and that it just had
Speaker 5: to be worked out over the course of a couple
Speaker 5: more days of conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no documentation for that.
Speaker 5: There are a couple of communications from a couple of
Speaker 5: people that hint that that might be possible, and they
Speaker 5: extrapolate from there and feel free. We can talk about
Speaker 5: this as long as you want, But on the at
Speaker 5: home sociological why do people believe what your friend did.
Speaker 5: It occurred to me, and I've said this many, many times,
Speaker 5: that if you are on the left, you get a
Speaker 5: great deal of social reinforcement, a lot of pats on
Speaker 5: the back, acceptance for being a self hating American.
Speaker 2: But it's funny. I hadn't really looked at it from
Speaker 2: the other perspect.
Speaker 5: If you cannot be accepted in those circles, if you
Speaker 5: are a patriotic American who thinks, by and large, we
Speaker 5: have been a great country doing mostly the right thing.
Speaker 5: I mean that is you are drummed out. That's It's
Speaker 5: like committing an act of violence, you know, at a
Speaker 5: social club.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for
Speaker 5: those people. Well, just as a response to your thing
Speaker 5: for we and we can break. And I don't want
Speaker 5: to get two in the weeds on this, but the
Speaker 5: Big Six made all the decisions for Japan. If there
Speaker 5: was going to be any sort of surrender, they would
Speaker 5: have to do it. There's no indication anybody in that
Speaker 5: group wanted to surrender. And five of the six were
Speaker 5: in the military and they absolutely were into fighting to
Speaker 5: the last man.
Speaker 2: So it just was never going to happen right anyway.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get this on on the fifth because
Speaker 4: I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a lot of
Speaker 4: news from mainstream media pushing the idea that we did
Speaker 4: something wrong, and I'll be interested to see how that
Speaker 4: plays on your evening newscasts. Do you have any comment
Speaker 4: on naming of this text line four one, five, two
Speaker 4: nine KFTC. Well, before I get into it, do you
Speaker 4: have a compelling reason for why we the eighty year
Speaker 4: anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Do you have a reason why we focus so much
Speaker 4: more on the fight in the nazis European part of
Speaker 4: World War Two as opposed to the Pacific War.
Speaker 5: I don't know that I've perceived that in the same
Speaker 5: way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War,
Speaker 5: partly because my father in law served there, and I've
Speaker 5: always been acutely aware of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe a culturally, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything, like,
Speaker 4: the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I think
Speaker 4: it's because it was just so morally more clear cut
Speaker 4: things got so ugly against the Japanese bit by bit,
Speaker 4: island by island, where both sides were just so. The
Speaker 4: book i'm reading read several of them, Twilight of the
Speaker 4: Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the definitive.
Speaker 2: Books on it. He had a start. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: we got a text the Japanese.
Speaker 4: The text was, it's cute that you think the Japanese
Speaker 4: surrendered because of the bombs. It was because they knew
Speaker 4: Russia was coming. There's no documentation about that. If you
Speaker 4: have a book that says that's true, that's a common narrative,
Speaker 4: but there's no documentation that that conversation was being had
Speaker 4: by the Big Six who made these decisions in Japan.
Speaker 4: So if you have a different book that says they were,
Speaker 4: you know, feel free to text me.
Speaker 2: I'd be interested in reading it.
Speaker 4: For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't
Speaker 4: remember which one it was, but this became a common thing.
Speaker 4: Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had
Speaker 4: had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths,
Speaker 4: sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the
Speaker 4: Japanese soldiers had come across you know, a wounded marine
Speaker 4: cut off his junk stick in his mouth, So we
Speaker 4: got more and more brutal, and it just it got
Speaker 4: that way to where it was just like freaking Lord
Speaker 4: of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get,
Speaker 4: foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and
Speaker 4: the blood and your own feces and everything right across
Speaker 4: the islands, And that's what it was going to be
Speaker 4: in Japan. And it had a story in there of
Speaker 4: collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would
Speaker 4: collect gold teeth, And it had a story in there
Speaker 4: about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still
Speaker 4: alive Japanese who he then took his bayonet and started
Speaker 4: digging in the guy's mouth trying to pry his teeth
Speaker 4: out while they're still alive. Some of his fellow US
Speaker 4: soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot
Speaker 4: the guy in the head to put him out of
Speaker 4: his misery. But that's the sort of warfare it was
Speaker 4: there at the end, and it was going to be
Speaker 4: that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches
Speaker 4: of Japan if we actually invaded.
Speaker 5: Well, and I think have got more coverage, partly because
Speaker 5: a film crew could do what they did then go
Speaker 5: back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you
Speaker 5: can't do that in the islands of the Pacific coming
Speaker 5: up next hour. Among the other things progressives have completely
Speaker 5: screwed up in America, our libraries like actively, like they're
Speaker 5: doing it deliberately. This is not some sort of paranoid wackiness.
Speaker 2: I've got it. In their own words, stay with us.
Speaker 5: If you can't stay with us, grab the podcast subscribed
Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty on demand
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty