1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and he. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty. 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Too much news, That's what I say. 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: If you'd have told me a week ago that we'd 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: have been talking about that stupid Cindy's what's her name? 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: Chick blonde Chickney Sweeney, Yes, blonde chick gene ad every 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 4: day for a week. 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: O would have said, how would that possibly happen? 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 5: But here we are, says the guy who's soft on 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 5: fascism apparently, and eugenics and Nazism, and am I leaving 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 5: anything else? 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 4: I ordered some of the Nazi gens yesterday. I'll have 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: them tomorrow. I'll wear them to work, Yes, American Eagle, 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: Is that a dog whistle? 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 5: No? This is fidoh Kamara, Kamara, that's a dog whistle. 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 5: The jeans are just genes anyway. 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: One of the more. 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: Interesting challenges we have in society, American society these days, 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 5: although it occurs to me it's international, is what the 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: hell do we do about our young women losing their 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 5: minds like they don't get together with a dude or 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 5: another female, which I'm told is a thing. They don't 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 5: have a partner, a romantic partner, they don't have children, 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 5: they have no interest in starting families, and so it 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 5: would appear that they are pouring their feminine energies into 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 5: radical politics. I mean to a huge extent. And we've 29 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 5: talked about this because you know, you look at the 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 5: poles of young women age seventeen to twenty seven and men, 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 5: and they're politically just completely divergent. Right anyway, the gas 32 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: have gone nuts in a way that has never been right. 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's completely unpressing young people. 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: There used to be equal number of people lean right 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: or left, usually more left than right for young people. 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: Always has been no way. 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 4: But boys and girls are the same now they're not 38 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: like so many other groups, which is not yet. 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: It's a weird, unprecedented demographic. 40 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: Mutation. 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 5: Anyway, What to do about it? I don't have any 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 5: idea other and keep doing what we're doing. Y'all do 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: what you do to try to rein in those you love. 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 5: But anyway, so the whole Sydney Sweeney fake reversy over 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 5: the Genes commercial refuses to die. And somebody did, some 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 5: woman on the street interviews at some sort of gathering 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 5: of pierced beher dyed sexually ambiguous looking young women, and 48 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 5: got these answers. We'll start with fifteen Michael was they asked, 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 5: She asked, is the question included? Go ahead, just play 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 5: the first. 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: One to Sydney Sad. 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 6: Have you seen it? 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Yes, I have? 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 6: Trying to calm myself, but that would girl. 57 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 7: Mmmm, Sydney Sweeney has good jeep, really like the eugenics 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 7: in that it's dripping with it, And I'm. 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: Like, okay, all right, so I mean that kind of 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 2: stands on his own. 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: You know what I'm interested to hear is does somebody 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: actually make a case, make an argument, or do they 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 5: just repeat the catchwords? 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it seemed to me there it's certainly until 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: the end, I thought, Okay, she's got no, she just 66 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: knows she's supposed to be upset. 67 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: She doesn't have an argument for her. Yeah, but she 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: heard eugenics right. Next one, Well, I. 69 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 7: Get both sides of the argument, like she's talking about 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 7: like actual genes, But then I get the other side 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 7: saying like oh but like this could be like a 72 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 7: play on words for like something else. But like, honestly, 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 7: I think there's just so much more going on the 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 7: world that like an ad about Sidney Sweeney isn't something 75 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 7: that we need to pay attention to. 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: Good for you, Oh wow, Wow, there's hope. There's hope 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: next one. And when you saw it, what did you 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: think of. 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 8: I mean, I thought, you know, it was disgusting. 80 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: I think it's it's. 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 7: Just showing what kind of country we're turning into, because 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 7: it's white supremacy at the end of the day. 83 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 9: That's what this ad is representing. 84 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a good look. 85 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, she knowed the blonde hair, blue eyed, 86 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 10: white woman, you know, very cute, and a lot of 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 10: the things she's been doing online have been a little 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 10: bit questionable. It seems that she's definitely been, you know, 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 10: pandering to a certain group of men online. 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 91 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: So they turned it into particularly attacking her when, like 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: I was saying, yesterday, I'm sure her agent got a 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: call from American Eagle, would would you're a client be 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: willing to oppose in jeans for five million dollars? Sure, 95 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 4: she showed up for an hour, crawled around or sat 96 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 4: on benches or whatever she does in the ads. And 97 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: her jeans and went home. She didn't think she was 98 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: doing anything. I would imagine that was going to make 99 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: the news early. 100 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, and the outrage against a product using sexual appeal 101 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: to sell is well, that's that's cute. 102 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's fine. Well, I'm young. 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: I'm stealing this from Charles Cook of National Review, but 104 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: he was making the point that so we've been seeing 105 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 4: ads for the last however many years where you mostly 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: have people in the ads that don't represent the majority 107 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: of the country, whether it's the piercings, tight percent of 108 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: the couples are interracial, for instance, right, which is fine, sir, 109 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 4: and I get the blowback after years of every ad 110 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: only having white people. But this ad features a girl 111 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: who's like the probably the majority person in the country, 112 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: if not majority, the plurality. The big I guessed group 113 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: of anybody in the country is probably white women. I 114 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 4: think it's almost guaranteed to be true. Yeah, it's true. 115 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: So if you. 116 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: Have an ad featuring the largest segment of society, even 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 4: if it's not most people, that is attacked. If you 118 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: have so many who represents a tiny chunk of people 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: from Brooklyn, that's fine, you know, I don't care who's 120 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: with whom, And I hope you all find love and 121 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 4: live long, happy lives. But I need to write a 122 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 4: movie or a parody of advill you move to Adville 123 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: and every single couple is an Asian guy married to 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: a black woman, you know, because that's the way ads 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 4: are these days. 126 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: It's hilarious, but that's fine. I don't actually care much 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: next clip. And I've been seeing a. 128 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 6: Lot of people online being like, Okay, well, if we 129 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 6: ran the same ad with a black woman, it would 130 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 6: be interpreted differently. 131 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? 132 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 6: My thoughts on that is that, you know, a black 133 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 6: woman probably wouldn't use the same inflection, and you know 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 6: they didn't do that, so you know, they can say 135 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 6: what ifs all they want, But the fact of the 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: matter is is they used a white woman to spend 137 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 6: a send a very specific message. 138 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 9: But I am I definitely think if it were a 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 9: black woman, it would send a different message, specifically because 140 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 9: that's the world that we've created, that we've that we've 141 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 9: grown up in, and so by specifically using a white 142 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 9: you know, a white person, it completely disregards everything that 143 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 9: we've spent the last week of centuries working towards and 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 9: and so that just kind of it just it runs 145 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 9: us the wrong way. 146 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: She really think that American eagles number one goal, Really 147 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: their only goal is not to sell as many genes 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: as possible and make as much probit. You really think 149 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: their goal was to send the message about white supremacy. 150 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: That's what they're that's what they're in business for, That's 151 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: what their shareholders want. 152 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 5: I'm reminded of a line from an old song, I 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 5: was happier than with no mindset. 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 5: How odd it is and troubling and terrible and neo 156 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 5: Marxist that it's become our highest hor in our education establishment. 157 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: It's become their highest priority. 158 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 5: To churn out young people with strong political views, when 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 5: not very long ago at all, the vast majority of 160 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: people in their teens in early twenties may have had 161 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: a stance or two. 162 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: Generally a little left leaning. I don't know if I 163 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: buy stances. When I was twenty two, I really don't. 164 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: Know what I did exactly. 165 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 5: They were curious about the world, learning as fast as 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 5: they could, wondering what they would do to make a living, 167 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 5: looking for. 168 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: Love, et cetera. And the strong political beliefs. 169 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 5: Were way down the line because you don't need them, 170 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 5: you have much. 171 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: Higher priorities, or you should. 172 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: Wow. 173 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: I hope somebody writes the story someday so future civilizations 174 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 5: can learn from our bizarre experiment in indoctrinating our young 175 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: people into self hatred and radical politics. Yeah, if you're 176 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 5: a young person and not like that, hang in there. 177 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: Hang in there. 178 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: So i'd a lot of your peers agree with you. 179 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 5: They're just afraid to speak up. So whoever did that 180 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: woman on the street think. 181 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: I don't have the slightest idea if they interviewed five 182 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: hundred people to get the ten most political people clips 183 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: to air and make it seem like they are with that, 184 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: or if everybody they talk to was more or less 185 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: like that, I don't have any idea. I was very 186 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 4: heartened to hear the other day so the new King 187 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 4: of the Hill was coming back. I didn't realize King 188 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: of the Hills on for like thirteen seasons or something 189 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: like that, the cartoon. My son loves King of the Hill, 190 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: And I said, do you know King of the Hills? 191 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 4: He said, do you think I don't know that? 192 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: Dad? 193 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: And then he rattled off everything that's happening, so he 194 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: knew about it and I didn't. But they come back 195 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: and Hank and his wife are much older and Bobby 196 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: has a grown up and has a job. But anyway, Mike, 197 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: Judge and the people who make King of the Hill 198 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: the cartoon realizing they needed to answer to the new 199 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: world that exists since King of the Hill went off. 200 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: They had to replace the voice of neighbor Khan or 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 4: they felt like they had to, which was voiced by 202 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: I think Judge, but one of the white guys who worked. 203 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: On the show. 204 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: You know, and you can't do that anymore, which is 205 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: one of the craziest things. We've decided that, like a 206 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 4: straight person can't play a gay person in a movie 207 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: or voicing things, you have to be the race or 208 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: gender or sexual orientation of the cartoon character you're portraying. 209 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 4: Or somebody was hurt who got hurt by this? Anyway, 210 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: So is it Ronnie Chang? Is that how you pronounce 211 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 4: his name? Chinese comedian? I talked about him years ago 212 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: when I saw his Netflix special. He's freaking hilarious and 213 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 4: he does one of the daily shows now. I think 214 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: he does a Wednesday night daily show. And we've played 215 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 4: clips from him. Very funny guy. He's going to voice 216 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 4: Khn on King of the Hill, and they were They 217 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: asked him about that, like how big a deal would 218 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: it have been if they didn't have an Asian voice 219 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: doing the Asian character in King of the Hill. And 220 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: he said, well, I think five percent of the Internet, 221 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: which makes one hundred percent of the noise, would have 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 4: seemed like a lot to a lot of people. But 223 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: I don't think it really would. But I don't think 224 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: it would actually mattered to anybody, he said. And I thought, 225 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: that's so fantastic. Yeah, yeah, to not buy to not 226 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: feel like you've got to say, oh, thank God that 227 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: they chose an Asian person to do the Asian voice 228 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 4: or or something horrible has happened. And Hank is Aria, 229 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: who I like as an actor, you know, who's been 230 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: apologizing now for years for doing the Apu voice on 231 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: The Simpsons. I mean, who was damaged by that name? 232 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: Find me the human being on earth who was hurt 233 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: in any way. It's like standing with a case in 234 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. Find someone with standing in this story. 235 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 236 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have been friends with known Indian people since 237 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 5: my middle school days, and it hasn't come up yet. 238 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: They're terrible pain and offense that the Apuu character wound 239 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 5: would have occurred. 240 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: Time to even imagine what it would be. 241 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 6: Well. 242 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 5: Final note among the activists, they know that they just 243 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 5: want to call euracist until they're in charge. It's a 244 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 5: technique of capture the useful idiots. Like several of those 245 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: young girls we heard they actually yeah, eternalized it. That's 246 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 5: a sweetheart. Please to get a boyfriend, Get a boyfriend 247 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: and a job and. 248 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 2: Call me back in a year. 249 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: Speaking of the Chinese, millions and millions and millions of 250 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: Chinese were killed by the Japanese in World War Two, 251 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 4: and they were killing them like crazy as we dropped 252 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: the bomb eighty years ago tomorrow, which another part of 253 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: the whole story that should be better known. I think 254 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: when we're having this discussion about whether or not we 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 4: should have used atomic weapons or not, we'll get to 256 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 4: that a little bit later this hour. Some of the 257 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 4: history stuff. I I'm looking up at TV. They're doing 258 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: it right now. That story, among other things. Other way, 259 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: stay here. 260 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 8: Army diner chain Ihop has unveiled a lux version of 261 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 8: his Dubai Chocolate pancakes, which it claims are the most 262 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 8: expensive item. 263 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: They are reserved. 264 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 8: Well, the most expensive thing at waffle House is the 265 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 8: ambulance ride. 266 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: I've been to waffle House hundreds of times. I've never 267 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: written in an ambulance once. I've witnessed some fights to 268 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: the death, but I've never ridden in an ambulance. Right, right, 269 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: unfortunate cliche coming up. Why we dropped the bomb on 270 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: Japan eighty years ago tomorrow And Michael, I told you 271 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: remind me of sailing lessons. Also remind me to talk 272 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: about luxury beanbag chairs, which are thing. 273 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Wow. Two phrases I never thought i'd hear out of 274 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: your mouth. 275 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: Ah. 276 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: You know, back to the waffle house thing. 277 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 5: If you are going to be in a fistfight in 278 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 5: a restaurant, it's likely to be offul House. Sure, maybe 279 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 5: McDonald's second place. Terms of likelihood, I mean, I'm not 280 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: likely to be in a fist fight in any restaurant. 281 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: But unless somebody brings me a. 282 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 5: Cab that's not quite ready, I'll tell you slap slap 283 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 5: the tannins, the cabin, the. 284 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: Tannin, too many tannins, the too. 285 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: Hot pulp, put up your dukes, the tannins. 286 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: So a couple of stories more or less from the 287 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 5: world of technology. First of all, Mark Zuckerberg kind of 288 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 5: declared war on the iPhone the other day. 289 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 290 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: He announced that that would be awesome. I'm a big 291 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: fan of free market competition. 292 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, he old Azuk, who is Satan. By 293 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 5: the way, if you're a new listener, we determined that 294 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 5: years ago. 295 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: Wow. 296 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: But anyway, Uh, he's he's totally into the AI thing, 297 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: spending billions and billions and billions of dollars on developing AI, 298 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 5: and is quite certain that the hand held, the roughly 299 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: wrecked angular glowing box will not be the go to 300 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: hardware device in the future. He's convinced it'll be glasses 301 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 5: or something like that. 302 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: I believe that's probably true. 303 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how soon or what it will be. 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't either. But he announced that they're 305 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 5: going big on both the software and the hardware thing. 306 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 5: So I wish you well, fine whatever. 307 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: I can easily see us moving into an age pretty 308 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: quickly where we look back and remember when everybody used 309 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: to walk around. 310 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: Holding this device? How crazy was that? Yeah? 311 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 5: And actually I was going to go into something else, 312 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 5: but there's a fair amount here. He called his vision 313 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: personal super intelligence and drew a path for finally achieving 314 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 5: his desire to have an Apple like experience that combines 315 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 5: software and hardware. Personal superintelligence that knows us deeply understands 316 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 5: our goals and can help us achieve them will be 317 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 5: by far the most useful. 318 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: Pretty interesting to have Zuckerberg a competitor use the term 319 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: a Apple like experience. But it's a good description. That 320 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 4: was not part of the quote. Okay, but yeah, that's 321 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 4: the way everybody's taking it. And let's see Zuckerberg. 322 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 5: Once you get the display in there, there's also going 323 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 5: to unlock unlock a lot of value where you can 324 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 5: just interact with an AI system throughout the day in 325 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 5: a multi modal way. 326 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: I feel like we're so far away from it. I 327 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 4: don't know if if I have to correct. So we 328 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: have a dog named Pomp. I probably send a text 329 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: that includes pup eight times a week. It always auto 330 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: corrects it to pop. How is my phone not figured 331 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: out by now that I use a word called pop 332 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: a thousand times a year, But it hasn't until they 333 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: fixed that. 334 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm not ready for AI to take over. 335 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would forcefully argue that Mark Zuckerberg's vision 336 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: of humanity being constantly effortlessly online is a miserable It's 337 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: a threat, it's not a promise. 338 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's anything you can do about that. 339 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 5: Oh I won't have to because human beings will die out. 340 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 5: We'll continue the trends we're doing right now, and that'll 341 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 5: end it. 342 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 4: Why we drop the bomb in Japan among other things 343 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: on the way like glamorous beanbag. 344 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: Chairs, Armstrong and Getty. 345 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: The US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen 346 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub 347 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: can carry twenty Trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each, 348 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one 349 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty cities at once. 350 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: I thought it would be good to play something current 351 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 4: before we get into discussion about the anniversary tomorrow. Eighty 352 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 4: years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, we 353 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation. 354 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: People are still willing to fight to the death over 355 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed 356 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 4: on that front since World War Two. World War One 357 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 4: was the going to be the War to end all wars. 358 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger. 359 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: And since World War Two, we've now had more people 360 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 4: die in wars since World War Two than happened during 361 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 4: World War Two. 362 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: And I believe. 363 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 5: As we speak, we have the most armed conflicts going 364 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 5: on Earth that has been recorded. 365 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: Really just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's 366 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: like one hundred and forty or something like that. 367 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of 368 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed 369 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: so often, or narratives catch on and they just become 370 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 4: the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate, 371 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: and it's just the way it is. Like our our friend, 372 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote a book a 373 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: couple years called The World Wars, and he was trying 374 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: to make the argument that it was it was really 375 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 4: separate wars that we call it World War Two, but 376 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 4: there were separate wars going on that really didn't have 377 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: much to do with each other. This other book that 378 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: I had been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B. 379 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Frank. 380 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 4: It's the most recent book written about Downfall. Was going 381 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 4: to be the was the campaign for US to end 382 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen 383 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated 384 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: at this point, and we needed to figure out how 385 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 4: to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy. 386 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't 387 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: really have much to do with each other. There are 388 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: a couple of instances when Japan and Germany kind of 389 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 4: worked together, but if it ever came down to it, 390 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. These are two incredibly racist 391 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist un planet. 392 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: Earth, so at least to stay the hell away. 393 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 4: The Nazis would have killed every Japanese a person on 394 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: Earth if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan 395 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 4: was an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior 396 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States. 397 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: And this Franks guy is trying to make the argument 398 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't 399 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: worked yet. That World War Two started in nineteen thirty 400 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 4: seven when Japan invaded China and started taking over that 401 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 4: part of the globe because we're mostly from Europe, and 402 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: we're so europe focused, and most of our World War 403 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: two movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis. We 404 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: just we don't we think World War two started in 405 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: September of thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and 406 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the 407 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: Japanese invaded China in nineteen thirty seven and started one 408 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 4: hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at 409 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: the hands of the Japanese before. 410 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: Four Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese. 411 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's 412 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 4: ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to 413 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened, 414 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than a Hitler, 415 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan 416 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: controlled twenty percent of the planet, what they were fighting 417 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: at the time that we defeated them, a significantly greater 418 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 4: chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took 419 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 4: over most of Europe. 420 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 5: And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment. But 421 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 5: I've always reacted to the obscenely, unspeakably stupid statement from 422 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 5: progressives that only white people can be racist, because ask 423 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 5: a Korean about the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese person 424 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: about the Chinese, Ask a Filipino about any of them, 425 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 5: Oh my god, will they bring the hay anyway. But 426 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 5: part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know, 427 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: killing eight million of our people, often in horrific you 428 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 5: know ways. 429 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end, 430 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to 431 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: get close enough to the main island of Japan to 432 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 4: at the time we thought we were going to invade. 433 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because 434 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 4: it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty 435 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 4: between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties 436 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: happened in the last year of the war. Half of 437 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months 438 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 4: as we were fighting island to island. By the time 439 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 4: we got to guadalc Canal, it was the first battle 440 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: in which we lost more people. More men died that 441 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: were US soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just 442 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: figured that that was going to continue as we got 443 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 4: closer to the island, and then invading the island, we 444 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: were going to take way more deads than they were 445 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: going to take. So people who make the argument we 446 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: shouldn't have drip the bomb, why do you think we 447 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: should suffer more losses than the people that attacked us? 448 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: What's the argument there? 449 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 5: Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on 450 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 5: that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me 451 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 5: to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for 452 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: two months in three weeks and was one of the 453 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 5: last big ones before we were either going to invade 454 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 5: Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa, 455 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 5: fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties, 456 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 5: also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army. According 457 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 5: to local authorities, at least one hundred and forty nine 458 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 5: thousand Okinawan people were killed, died by courst suicide, or 459 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 5: went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was, oh, 460 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 5: it's unspeakable. It's unthinkable. 461 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: It is a version of total war that is practically 462 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often, 463 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 4: I don't know. And then as to the idea that 464 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had 465 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence, 466 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 4: they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently, 467 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had 468 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: to surrendered in any battle, no matter how defeated they were, 469 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 4: they would continue to fight until they were all dead. 470 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: That was just the last spent their culture. 471 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: And it's kind of hard for us to get into 472 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: the mindset of It's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked. 473 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: They have a culture and a mindset that we do 474 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: not have of where they would take such great pride 475 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 4: to have their young son go get in a plane 476 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: and fly it into a ship and die. They were 477 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: perfectly okay with that. It made every bit of sense 478 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: to them to serve their god king thing that they 479 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: had going on. That we also can't quite wrap our 480 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 4: heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch, 481 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 4: but it was a religious figure, and we just we 482 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: can't it doesn't make any sense to us culturally the 483 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a 484 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: fan of World War One, you know the hole stabbed 485 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany 486 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: lost and we left their government, we the Allies, left 487 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 4: their government in charge. 488 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: Then the young. 489 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: Hitlers of the world, people that had fought in the war, 490 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 4: started this whole. Our government stabbed us in the back, 491 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 4: and it's the dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that 492 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: grew and grew and grew and led to the rise 493 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: of the anger of the German society and Nazi Germany 494 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: and World War two and all that. Roosevelt knew that, 495 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 4: and he didn't want to leave in Germany or Japan 496 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: any He wanted to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan, 497 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 4: every man, woman and child in the country had to 498 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: believe they were defeated. To make sure that they either 499 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: one of them didn't rise up again. They had to 500 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: all know they were beaten, completely beaten. 501 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: They were their own government didn't stab in the back, 502 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: None like that happened. 503 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 4: They were soundly defeated, and that was one of the 504 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 4: reasons they had to take it clear to the end 505 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: the way they did, combined with that nobody had ever surrendered, 506 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: so there was no reason to think they would ever 507 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: give up. The Japanese we now have we've only had 508 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 4: this for thirty years. We now have the communications that 509 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 4: were going on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There 510 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: are only six people in control of the whole decision, 511 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: they called the Big Six. Five of them were in 512 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 4: the military, and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever, 513 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 4: and they were willing to lose tens of millions of 514 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 4: Japanese civilians. They believed if we if we surrounded him 515 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: and did a blockade and tried to starve them out, 516 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: which ended up that was going to be the plan. 517 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 4: If we didn't drop the bomb, We're going to surround 518 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: Japan and starve millions of people until they surrendered, which 519 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: would have killed way more people than the bombs killed. 520 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 4: But the Big Six in Japan, they figured, if twenty 521 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 4: million Japanese starve, the world opinion will finally turn against 522 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: the Allies in the United States. 523 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: And will be very hamas like strategy. 524 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 4: Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation. 525 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 4: They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that 526 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 4: there is a way out that would have been less 527 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 4: deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also, I mentioned it the 528 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 4: other day, but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand 529 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: people were killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on 530 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 4: where you you know you do the cutoff because cancer 531 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 4: later and everything like that. But around two hundred thousand 532 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 4: died from the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow, 533 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: and then on the ninth the other bomb. Twice as 534 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: many Japanese as that died at the hands of the 535 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 4: Russians in the very same weeks, as Russia was coming 536 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 4: on and taking ground and trying to take it back 537 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: from the death much more ruthless than we were. 538 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: When you ever hear anybody say anything about that. 539 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, self hate tred is the hallmark of the 540 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 5: progressive and they're proud of it, and they stoke it, 541 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: they like it, and it's just it's it's a perverse. 542 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 4: They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion, 543 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 4: some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going 544 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships, which 545 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've 546 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 4: only known this since the nineties, that our navy decided, 547 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 4: who ain't going to do this? That's a no. We're 548 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: a no vote on that. So the ground invasion was 549 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: not gonna have it because it would have been too deadly. 550 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it was either 551 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: starve them out or drop the bomb. So I went 552 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When was that 553 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: three four years ago that that Oppenheimer movie came out. 554 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: This friend was a super lib But anyway, we're driving 555 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: away from the movie theater and we're having a conversation 556 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: about the whole should we have dropped the bomb or not? 557 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 4: Kind of got started the conversation, and it was very 558 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 4: funny because it took us ten fifteen minutes of driving 559 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: and saying, I know, can you believe that there are 560 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: some people that believe that Before we realized we were, 561 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 4: we had completely different positions. We're both saying, I know, 562 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 4: it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking it's 563 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb. 564 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 4: She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should 565 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: have dropped the bomb, and at some point and it 566 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 4: got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh, 567 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those 568 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: of us on whichever side, just can't believe the other 569 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: side believed what they believe. And I'm on the side 570 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 4: of obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't 571 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: have given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people 572 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: that think it's just nuts that we opened up the 573 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 4: can of worms, and it's one of the great black 574 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: marks in US history that we crossed that line and 575 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 4: dropped in atomicbaham. Yeah, what's the other pushback? The best 576 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 4: put what's what's the college kid college professor. 577 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: Pushback on dropping the bomb? 578 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: That Japan was prepared to offer a not unconditional, but 579 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 5: more or less complete surrender, and that it just had 580 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 5: to be worked out over the course of a couple 581 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 5: more days of conversation. 582 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no documentation for that. 583 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 5: There are a couple of communications from a couple of 584 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 5: people that hint that that might be possible, and they 585 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 5: extrapolate from there and feel free. We can talk about 586 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 5: this as long as you want, But on the at 587 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 5: home sociological why do people believe what your friend did. 588 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 5: It occurred to me, and I've said this many, many times, 589 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 5: that if you are on the left, you get a 590 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 5: great deal of social reinforcement, a lot of pats on 591 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 5: the back, acceptance for being a self hating American. 592 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: But it's funny. I hadn't really looked at it from 593 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: the other perspect. 594 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 5: If you cannot be accepted in those circles, if you 595 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 5: are a patriotic American who thinks, by and large, we 596 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: have been a great country doing mostly the right thing. 597 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 5: I mean that is you are drummed out. That's It's 598 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: like committing an act of violence, you know, at a 599 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 5: social club. 600 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: That's it. 601 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 5: There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for 602 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,239 Speaker 5: those people. Well, just as a response to your thing 603 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 5: for we and we can break. And I don't want 604 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 5: to get two in the weeds on this, but the 605 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: Big Six made all the decisions for Japan. If there 606 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 5: was going to be any sort of surrender, they would 607 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 5: have to do it. There's no indication anybody in that 608 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 5: group wanted to surrender. And five of the six were 609 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: in the military and they absolutely were into fighting to 610 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 5: the last man. 611 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: So it just was never going to happen right anyway. 612 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 4: I wanted to get this on on the fifth because 613 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 4: I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a lot of 614 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: news from mainstream media pushing the idea that we did 615 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 4: something wrong, and I'll be interested to see how that 616 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 4: plays on your evening newscasts. Do you have any comment 617 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: on naming of this text line four one, five, two 618 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 4: nine KFTC. Well, before I get into it, do you 619 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 4: have a compelling reason for why we the eighty year 620 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow? 621 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: Do you have a reason why we focus so much 622 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: more on the fight in the nazis European part of 623 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: World War Two as opposed to the Pacific War. 624 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 5: I don't know that I've perceived that in the same 625 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 5: way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War, 626 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 5: partly because my father in law served there, and I've 627 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 5: always been acutely aware of it. 628 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe a culturally, I don't know. 629 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 4: I know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything, like, 630 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 4: the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I think 631 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 4: it's because it was just so morally more clear cut 632 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 4: things got so ugly against the Japanese bit by bit, 633 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 4: island by island, where both sides were just so. The 634 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 4: book i'm reading read several of them, Twilight of the 635 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 4: Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the definitive. 636 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: Books on it. He had a start. Oh, by the way, 637 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: we got a text the Japanese. 638 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 4: The text was, it's cute that you think the Japanese 639 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: surrendered because of the bombs. It was because they knew 640 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 4: Russia was coming. There's no documentation about that. If you 641 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 4: have a book that says that's true, that's a common narrative, 642 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: but there's no documentation that that conversation was being had 643 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: by the Big Six who made these decisions in Japan. 644 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: So if you have a different book that says they were, 645 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 4: you know, feel free to text me. 646 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: I'd be interested in reading it. 647 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't 648 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: remember which one it was, but this became a common thing. 649 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had 650 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 4: had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths, 651 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 4: sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the 652 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 4: Japanese soldiers had come across you know, a wounded marine 653 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 4: cut off his junk stick in his mouth, So we 654 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: got more and more brutal, and it just it got 655 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 4: that way to where it was just like freaking Lord 656 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 4: of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get, 657 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 4: foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and 658 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 4: the blood and your own feces and everything right across 659 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 4: the islands, And that's what it was going to be 660 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 4: in Japan. And it had a story in there of 661 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 4: collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would 662 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 4: collect gold teeth, And it had a story in there 663 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 4: about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still 664 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: alive Japanese who he then took his bayonet and started 665 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 4: digging in the guy's mouth trying to pry his teeth 666 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 4: out while they're still alive. Some of his fellow US 667 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 4: soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot 668 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 4: the guy in the head to put him out of 669 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: his misery. But that's the sort of warfare it was 670 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 4: there at the end, and it was going to be 671 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 4: that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches 672 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 4: of Japan if we actually invaded. 673 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 5: Well, and I think have got more coverage, partly because 674 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 5: a film crew could do what they did then go 675 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 5: back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you 676 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 5: can't do that in the islands of the Pacific coming 677 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 5: up next hour. Among the other things progressives have completely 678 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 5: screwed up in America, our libraries like actively, like they're 679 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 5: doing it deliberately. This is not some sort of paranoid wackiness. 680 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: I've got it. In their own words, stay with us. 681 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 5: If you can't stay with us, grab the podcast subscribed 682 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty on demand 683 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty