1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradios. 3 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: And Katie. 4 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Gee. Do you remember being at the table read and 5 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: reading for the first time ever that Quinn and Hawk 6 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: were gonna bone down? 7 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, Oh absolutely. I was so excited. 8 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: Because you wanted to make out with me so bad. Yeah, duh. 9 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: You were ready to take our friendship to the next level. 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: All of you fans that think Germo Diaz is the hottest. 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: He is a fucking awesome kiss. 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 4: So is Katie. So are you please? 13 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: Thank you? I take pride in my kissing skills. 14 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be a good kisser if the other 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: person isn't a good kisser too, you know true. 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: I was thinking about it today. I was like, my god, 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: welcome to married life. I haven't had a great makeout 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: session a hot minute. Someone call Adam Shapiro. 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: Yo. 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Have you ever had to train somebody to try to 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: train them as you're making out to be a good kisser. 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: Oh? I have not found yet somebody who was like 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: a bad kisser that I trained like successfully? Have you 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: me either? 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: No? 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: I've tried, but it's never It never results in a 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: you know in a positive outcome. 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: I feel the same way. It's like, yeah, you know, 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: it might take if someone's got like a different maybe 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: kind of style, and you like keep going and like 31 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: you figure out where you're in sync and where you're not. 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: G and I were in sync. 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: We were in sing baby, it's kinna a May, It's 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: a kinna a May. We were so insane. We were 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: backstreet boys, we were new kids on the block, and 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: we were in sanktch. 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: I was nervous when I read it. I was like, 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: you're having sex on guys. This is episode three seventeen. 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 3: We're talking about today, but it's Gee and it's Hock 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 3: and Quinn having sex on the top of the car. 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: He rips these fishnet stockings. I slapped the shit out 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: of his face. He spits on my neck and then 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: he licks it off. Oh I'm getting all hot and 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 3: bothered talking about it. 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Some of that stuff was improvy, at least the spitting. 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that was in the script. I think 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: that just happened. I remember afterwards, I was like, oh 48 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: my god, I'm so sorry. Is that okay? K? 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: You were like, yeah, we had no safe word. I 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: feel like we were so close by the time we 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: got this that it was like, I think that's what 52 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: made it so good. It was like, you know a 53 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 3: lot of people when you're going to be a love 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: interest with someone you meet pretty early on and you 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: start hooking up pretty early on and you become friends after, right, 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: But us it was the opposite. We were already friends 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: and then we were like. 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Oh shit, we had no idea. We had no idea 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: this was going to go down. Oh my god, it's great. 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: But you were saying earlier about the an intimacy person 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: being on set. How what's that. I haven't worked with one. 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: I haven't either. Want we shot this, you guys, this 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: was before the Me Too movement. This scene was shot before. 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: Now all of these amazing protocols have been put in 65 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: place to help actors. There's a whole new job called 66 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: an intimacy coordinator of someone who's on the set choreographing 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: love scenes, sex scenes, any touching scene as if you 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: would a stunt or. It's a stunt person on set 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: choreographing a fight. Now you have an intimacy coordinator choreographing 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: making out scenes and love scenes. Yeah, you put your 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: hand on her here and you spin her around here 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: and you lay down on this line, and then you're 73 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: going to switch places and he's on top. Now she's 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: on top, and it's mapped out. We didn't have that. 75 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: No, all, Where do you have to go to get 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: to be an intimacy expert? 77 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's I'm currently working on a 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: show that has a lot of steamy sex. Oh really, 79 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: maybe this is a spoiler, whatever, but thank god I 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: am not involved or not. You're like, well, no, now 81 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: that we've spent all this time talking about hooking up 82 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: and that G and I are the best kissers we've 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: each other ever had, we have to tell you that 84 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: we are bringing to you live one of the most 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: talented individuals to ever be born on the face of 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: the planet. 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: An icon, I would say, an icon. 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: Icon allegend, truly a diva, not in the sense of behavior, 89 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: but in the sense of just killing it and being 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: at the top of her game in so many arenas 91 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: it's bananas. 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 4: For decades now. 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: She's prolific. Yes, and we are so lucky to have 94 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: her on this show, and we were so lucky to 95 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: have her on this episode. She's the greatest of all time. 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: We had do some difficult stuff, some intimate stuff and 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: some riskue stuff. And I don't know about you, but 98 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: I felt super safe knowing that she was at the 99 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: helm guiding us. And with this woman, it's always it 100 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: was always so much fun being on set with her. 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: She does this really funny thing after you're done with 102 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: a take, What does she say here? 103 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: And she likes if she feels like she got the 104 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: take that she likes, and like, this is the one 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: we're gonna use in the edit, It'll be like and 106 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: cut Hello. 107 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she says hello, And I think it's 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: basically her asking everyone the camera the sound everyone, Hey, 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: is everything good with you guys? Hello? 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: Because if it's good, I love it. Let's move on. 111 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: Yes, let's move on. Is everyone approved? Did it get 112 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: through on sound? Then let's move on. 113 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. I love it. 114 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: We're talking about episode three seventeen, titled Flesh and Blood, 115 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: which aired on April tenth in twenty fourteen. 116 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: And it was written by Severiano Canalez and Miguel Noya Severano. 117 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: But we call him, yeah, that's. 118 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: It's amazing, the name Severiano. I've never called him that. 119 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: Game there, we just call him Seve and it was 120 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: directed by the Legend the Icon The Woman. 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: Our Guest de Bi Ellen, and it was guest starring 122 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 3: Keith sellin Wright as Garrett Cole, Harry S. Murphy as Mayor, 123 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: Johnny Cross Coostrey as A, Petro Candy Alexander as Maya. 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: Lewis Nazanine Boniatti as Adnan Salif, Sebastian Rochets, Dominic Bell 125 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Brian Lesher's Tom Larson, and Carlo Prota as Ivan Yushkin. 126 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: And to just jog y'all's memory, this is what happens 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: in the episode. In order for the OPA team to 128 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: track down Maya, Pope and the bomb, they must bring 129 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: in some questionable new team members, and when Dominic doesn't 130 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: give up Maya or the location, we get to learn 131 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: more about the Pope family's true colors. 132 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: But things take a dark turn with Maya. When Maya 133 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: shows up at OPA, while some key members of the 134 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: team are a little distracted, I think she means I 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: think that means quinnin. 136 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: Hockey, Debbie, you are so gorgeous and so special and 137 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: we wanted to ask when you get a scene and 138 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: you think that you've got it, like the take that 139 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: you just took and you say hello. Is that your 140 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: way of making sure that every department also agrees and 141 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: now we can move on. 142 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's something that came into being when I was 143 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 5: doing Fame, when I first started directing. Oh, and I 144 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 5: will get something and I get a tick that I 145 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 5: like and I go hello, And that means everybody talk 146 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 5: to me quick, because I'm going to move on. 147 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: I'm not waiting to tell me about sound or light. 148 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 2: You better be watching while we're doing it. So hello 149 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: means I'm ready. Are you good? If I don't get nothing, 150 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: were moving on? 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, Debbie, it's the best. It's stuck with us 152 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: and we talk about it all the time. 153 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: It's so special. 154 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: Yes, you mentioned Fame, but you did the film first. 155 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: You did Fame the film first, right in the early eighties. 156 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: He was like nineteen eighty right, Yeah, it was when 157 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: it was released. 158 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Irenkara, I was actually cast to be her nemesis. 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 5: I'm a senior student that was going to give her 160 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 5: let her know she was not miss thing that. 161 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: I will know. 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: But by the time Alan Parker got to where he 163 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: was going to shoot my number said, Debbie, I love you, 164 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: but the movie's already ten hours long. 165 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to cut the number. I said, really, 166 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: I said, can I keep the dress? Such the dress? 167 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 5: And so my whole character translated as a student teacher 168 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 5: or young teacher. 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: That's how that's what happened. 170 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 4: Yes, Lydia, what was Lydia's last name? 171 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: Do you remember, miss Lydia Grant? 172 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, my goodness. I as a young 173 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: person who knew they wanted to be an actor, that 174 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: show was just such a beacon of light, and it 175 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: was so inspiring and so exciting to see the school 176 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: that existed where people could just express themselves and be artists. 177 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: And oh, it was just it's such a special show 178 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: to me and and to so many people. And you're 179 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: so wonderful in it. And your famous line, which I'm 180 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: sure you're sick of people asking you to say. 181 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: Yes, want fame cost costs? Right here right he is 182 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: in sweat. 183 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: Life art imitates life. And so now I really do 185 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: have that school, the Debbieon Dance Academy. Yes, I do 186 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: Art Center, and we're teaching everything. We have a middle school, sixth, 187 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: seventh and eighth grade. I have a Rise musical theater program. 188 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: I have a son's daughter boys program. 189 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I can have a Fair to Be. 190 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: Class that is a class of art and art class 191 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 5: for transgender youth and feel comfortable in the room in 192 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: this space. 193 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: So, my gosh, Debbie, the legacy you are creating and 194 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: already have been for decades and it's just unbelievable. You 195 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: guys have such an amazing relationship, you and Shonda Rhymes. 196 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 3: How did you end up in shan on the land 197 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: and directing and come to be? And that we got 198 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: lucky enough to get you on. 199 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 5: You know, I was a big fan of Gray's Anatomy 200 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: first of all, and the show had been on for 201 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 5: several years, and I looked up and Shonda Rhymes was 202 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: one of my parents. 203 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 2: She brought her daughter. 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: Dancing there and so. 205 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 5: I actually intentionally didn't talk to her for almost the 206 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 5: first year. I really would just say hello, keep moving, 207 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: because I felt like she deserved the anonymity of any 208 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 5: parent to be there for her child. And that's what 209 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 5: it was. And I actually developed quite a wonderful relationship 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 5: with her older daughter, Harper. She was the first one 211 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 5: to come. The other two came as well. Harper was 212 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 5: very creative, and I was tough on her and trying 213 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 5: to really respect that, and I think she just started 214 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: paying attention to what I was doing. And the next 215 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 5: thing I knew, I was asked to direct Gray's Anatomy. 216 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: I Sai Child, let's about time. 217 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 5: Let me get over there, and then I just started 218 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 5: doing Scandal, and Scandal was my favorite show. 219 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 220 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 5: We were going to ask you, oh yeah, because you 221 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: won't remember this because this was early on. And there 222 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 5: was a panel. You know how they have the Academy 223 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 5: panels where the whole cast comes, you're up for an 224 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 5: Emmy Award, and the audience gets to ask a question. 225 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 5: I stood up and asked a question, and I wanted 226 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 5: to know when did she know so and so was 227 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 5: going to kill get killed? 228 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: Did she know it in the beginning? Has she planned it? 229 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: She said? Do you want the truth? And you want 230 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: I said, I want the truth? She said, don't. We 231 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: figured it out just before we did it. 232 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: And she talked about being so spontaneous in terms of 233 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 5: really paying attention to dailies, seeing what chemistry was. 234 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: Working, where things seen that would be rich to go to. 235 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 5: And I started directing Gray's anatomy and they really enjoyed 236 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 5: me over there. I had so much fun, and then 237 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: I got invited to direct. 238 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: You're a huge dog over there acting. You're the producing director. 239 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: I feel like you run all of Gray's. I'm like, 240 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: that's Debbie. 241 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 5: I'm like, and I've become the villain on the show 242 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 5: down too. Yeah, I'm really a good villain. It is 243 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 5: something I really like playing. It's fun. 244 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: So was it your idea? Did you say I want 245 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: to direct a scandal? 246 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: Or did I want to direct Scandal? 247 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: God? 248 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, show, but I want to come over there. 249 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 5: She invited me to come and I was so excited 250 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 5: and I going in as a director. 251 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: Every director, when you're coming into a new show, you 252 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: they you deserve to study the DNA. 253 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 5: Of that show. Every show has its own DNA. That 254 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 5: means what is the style of the cinematography. There was 255 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 5: a scandal pace, the way you all talked, there was 256 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 5: a whole thing, and that DNA was different from Gray's, 257 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: different from How to Get Away. I did all of those, 258 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: but Scandal was just it was everything. It was hot, 259 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 5: it was sexy, it was political, it was pushing the 260 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: envelope on race relations in America and the President child, 261 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: I'm locked up in a closet, I said, I got 262 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 5: to come over there, Sean, And. 263 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: It so hot. 264 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: That scene is so hot. I thought the same way. 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. When we were watching 266 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: it back, I'm like, no wonder. I didn't realize when 267 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: we were shooting it, But now that we're watching it 268 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: back for this podcast, when that scene happened in the closet, 269 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: I was like, I get it. 270 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 5: This is the hottest in America. We were all and 271 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 5: when I was directed Tony Goldman, I would call him 272 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 5: mister President. I had the biggest crush on him, mister President, 273 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: you're thinking, and he were just laughing at me. Jill 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 5: Morten had been my brother on Broadway and raising so 275 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 5: now his little sister tell him what to do. And 276 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 5: then Maya had been on a different world. She came 277 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: out of the dance world. Do you know that she 278 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 5: came out of the dance. 279 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: Was a dancer. 280 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: Candy Alexander was a dancer, fierce dancer. 281 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: Debbie didn't she choreograph a bunch of Whitney Houston's world tours? 282 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: She may have. 283 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, yeh. 284 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: Candy is as we say, she's the ship. 285 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's amazing, she's so talented. So only she, honey, 286 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 5: with those legs, and were not had jug up against 287 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 5: that plaw honey. 288 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: Weeks to talk about that. 289 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: We have to talk. 290 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: We'll be right back, guys. 291 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: This episode, this was the first time that Quinn hunkot 292 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: sex and I was I will never forget g and 293 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: I were just saying before you came on that we 294 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: were so lucky that it was you because we felt 295 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: so comfortable, so safe, and I'll never forget it. I'm 296 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: a woman in Hollywood, and so everyone has things they 297 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: wish they could change, but mine happens to be in 298 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: front of millions of people and I'm about to have 299 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: a sex scene with Guermo, and you just made me 300 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: feel I remember you coming up to me and you 301 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: looked up and down like your dancer. You look at 302 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: people's bodies, they're dancers, they're movers, and you looked at 303 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: me and you were like you're hot, like something like that, 304 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: and it was all I needed to feel like, yeah, 305 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: Quinn's hot, Quin's got this, we can dominate this scene. 306 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: And I don't know, you really just empowered me to 307 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: feel like I could do it. I was scared. 308 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: I know that is the job of a really, I don't. 309 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to pat myself a good director. 310 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: You are, You're one of our all time paperites died. 311 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 5: You so that you can find the reality of the 312 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 5: moments that you're playing in the relationships and let it 313 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 5: be truthful and be free of worn about what the 314 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 5: camera is looking at. 315 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: That you trust, you trust. I'm not going to show 316 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: anything that we don't want to see or that you 317 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: might not want to see. That I know how to 318 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: shoot it and keep you beautiful, sexy and go yes. 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: And then I went up to Canaday Alexander's legs. 320 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: Yes, Oh that was the best. 321 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: You see those heels and those legs walk past us 322 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: like having this like croz. 323 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: My god, it's right. 324 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: She walks past us having sex. And then that's how 325 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: she gets into Opa. And then she like slices Joe 326 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: Morton's she screws him up. I don't know what she says, 327 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: she'sa she does something terrible. 328 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Was was this the first episode you directed of Scandal, Debbie, 329 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: or when you already directed. 330 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: Some No, I just I started before this. 331 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 5: I think I think one of my first I can't remember, 332 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 5: but I just remember Carrie was pregnant at the time, 333 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 5: and she was carrying a lot of things, and that 334 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 5: you all were. You were all in the office, all 335 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 5: of you, and they were like eight of you. And 336 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 5: I said, Okay, you're gonna go here and walk here. 337 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: When she says this, could you enter here? And then 338 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 5: could you go and find something over here to read? 339 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: I remember when I finished doing what I call broad 340 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: strokes of blocking. Karen Washing said, choreogphy, choreophy, chourreophy. I said, 341 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: I think being an actor and coming out of the 342 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 5: dance world really gives me another critical I as a 343 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: director in terms of what is the actor playing. I 344 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: really try to play everybody's part, so I know what 345 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 5: I'm thinking your subtext is and how you feel about 346 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: what's happening, and then you all. 347 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: Add all that you bring to it. You all brought 348 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: it though, Honey, let's just say it out loud. 349 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: You are the best. I mean. The other thing I 350 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: remember so well from this episode is at the end 351 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: we've found Dominic whoever his last name is, I don't 352 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: know his last name, but this guy who maya pope 353 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: was like always in love with and turns out we 354 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: find out in this episode that Maya Pope was sleeping 355 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: with this guy the whole time she was married to 356 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: Eli Pope, and Eli Pope hates this guy because he 357 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: has her heart and he never had it. And he 358 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: runs into Huck's office where the guy is bound and 359 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: gagged and has a Russian roulette game, and we think 360 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: it's just a scare tactic at first, and he's not 361 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: shoot him, and then I remember so well, it's crazy 362 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: in the episode, but he ends up get everyone out 363 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: of the room, and Olivia Pope is screaming like no, no, no, no, 364 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to murder your run in my office. 365 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: I don't want to murder anyone, and we're all holding 366 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: her back and boom bang the gun goes off and 367 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: he murders him right there, and Carrie's so pregnant at 368 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: this time and it's awful. She's gutturally screaming at her 369 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: dad not to as we're physically holding her back, and 370 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: then I remember you saying cut hello, and then we 371 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 3: would all go down to her belly and be like, 372 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: it's just pretend this is real. You're safe, nothing's really wrong. 373 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: We didn't want to be doing like actual trauma. 374 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 5: I remember this scene. I remember being in Huck's office. 375 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 5: I remember, yeah, you at your computer. I remember Engles. 376 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 5: It was really yeah, that was That's really something because 377 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: people don't realize that sometimes they really are leaving you 378 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 5: vicariously totally as this actor. They never think of you 379 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 5: as somebody else as they should. That's because you're doing 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: your job. But people are pregnant or going through all. 381 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: Kinds of oh yeah, sad stuff, breakup. 382 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 5: Yeah you want to get you said, I remember you 383 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 5: were pregnant. I choreographed you. 384 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: Oh my god, It's one of the greatest pictures I've 385 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: ever taken in my whole life. I had a baby. 386 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: I had my first and six weeks later I went 387 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: back to work and I was so grateful that it 388 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: was an episode being directed by Kerry Washington. I had 389 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: to dance to Britney Spears with me and Joe Morton 390 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: and a baby. I'm holding a baby and they call 391 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: in miss Debbie Allen Icon to just give us four 392 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 3: bars a short little choreography, and I remember, I'm carrying 393 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: my baby. I'm breastfeeding him under like a little rap. 394 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he's so little, and I'm dancing with the 395 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: one and only Joe Morton as Debbie Allen is giving 396 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: us choreography, and this is my first day back at work, 397 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I have a picture because it was 398 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: such a pinch me moment. 399 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: Yes it was. 400 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 5: But you all are so wonderful. That show stands the 401 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: test of time. They just need to play it over 402 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 5: and over. Yes, it certainly is relevant right now with 403 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 5: everything going on. You've touched on so many things. And 404 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 5: what I loved about the show. The show was daring. 405 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 5: It dared to let people act out their anger and 406 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 5: their revenge and then how do they survive as human 407 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 5: beings after that? When I think about Kate Burden. 408 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: When she was when she murdered her husband, Oh yeah, yeah, 409 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: Daniel Douglas, that happens in this season that we're talking 410 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: about right now. 411 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 5: Oh yes, it's one of the most dramatic things that 412 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 5: ever happened. And just the whole show, and that it 413 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 5: was so cutting edge and you are always so beautiful 414 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 5: and so different. Everybody was everybody lived in their own space, 415 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 5: a totally different space from everybody else here. 416 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: Did we miss this experience so much? It was so special? 417 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: Did you feel the same way that other directors we've 418 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: talked to Felt, which is you get a warning, like 419 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: when you come over to Opa to direct, it's a 420 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: total shit show. It's like hurting cats. No one stops talking, laughing, 421 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: get like in the White House, they're all adults and 422 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: well behaved, and then you come over to Opa and 423 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: we're all like. 424 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 4: Dancing kids and dancing and. 425 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: Singing and eating snacks and won't pay attention. 426 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: You know what. I'm okay with that because I like 427 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: it when there's a cast of with a family feel, 428 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: where people like each other, and I feel like hurting 429 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: cast is a fun thing to do for me. I 430 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: remember this is Grey's Anatomy. 431 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 5: I had all of them in the gallery scene, every 432 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 5: last one of them, and it was like literally twenty 433 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 5: people in that gallery scene. I said, okay, so this 434 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 5: is what I said. You're going to be in group one. 435 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 5: You're two, you're three or four, and you're five. I said, 436 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: when I say one, I want you to react. When 437 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 5: I say two, you react, three, come in four or five. 438 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: I had done. 439 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 5: You could think I was dealing with the Earth Debbie. 440 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: You could think I was dealing with the children and 441 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 5: my academy. But when they had a sense of when 442 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: they were come, this is when you're gonna come in, bam, 443 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 5: come in and then go And it was fantastic and 444 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 5: nobody thought I could shoot it in this quick amount 445 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 5: of time as I did, but I had did a 446 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 5: system away. 447 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: But you all. 448 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 5: Joyful and I enjoyed that because you were doing so 449 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 5: many controversial, sometimes despicable things. 450 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 2: It was good that you kept levity going on. 451 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: We had well, we couldn't have done it. Wait now, 452 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: since we have you really quick? What was it like 453 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: directing this is taking a total left turn? But whatever 454 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 3: the fans are the fans. What was it like you 455 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: directed How to Get Away with Murder? 456 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: Too? 457 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: Yes? I did? 458 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: What was that like like directing Viola Davis? 459 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 5: What I did one of her best scenes? Because I 460 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: knew Viola Davis from New York. I saw her in 461 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: a play and when Denzel Washington was doing Anton full Court, 462 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 5: I said, do you know who Viola Davis is? He 463 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 5: said no, I got to find somebody for the mother. 464 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: I said, go final her. Now cast her and she 465 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 5: didn't even really have anything to say, but she was 466 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: that strong. So Viola did that. I directed her and 467 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 5: I cast her as the mother in Fantasia Urina Burno's 468 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 5: life is not a fairy tale. 469 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: Her life story. She played her mother. 470 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 5: Wow, so here we are scandal and she's like shot 471 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: out of the canyon. She'd already taken the wig off, 472 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: and I give this very historic scene where her assistant 473 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 5: finally confessed that she was in love with her husband 474 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: and that she had kissed him or something like that. 475 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: And so I took the staging to a whole nother direction. 476 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 5: I made her get on her knees and I made 477 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: her kiss the ring in her CONDI and this was 478 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 5: going to break. I knew this was going to break 479 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 5: Viola in a whole nother way. Instead of just standing 480 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 5: there arguing yeah, took her down and Fyo. 481 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: Looked at me. 482 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: She She's like, Debbie, you know what kind of girl? 483 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: I Am only going to do this one time, one son, Debbie, 484 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: because she was so full from the idea of what 485 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: it was going to be. I knew, child, get that 486 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 5: close up, ready is getting ready to happened. 487 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: We didn't want fake And. 488 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: We went down and Viola Davis was just I love 489 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: working with her. She really comes in beyond prepared and 490 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 5: having ideas about the character. It was her idea to 491 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 5: take the wig off. 492 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: She didn't want to remember that moment. 493 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 5: I remember she wanted that that's her, that's all Viola Davis, 494 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 5: and that's that's the truth. 495 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: That she brings a woman king. She'd been a woman 496 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: king for a long time. 497 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. Do 498 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: you like to direct, Debbie? 499 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Like? 500 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: Do you love it? Did you always know when you 501 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 3: were little that? Or like, because you were such a 502 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: leader in choreography, did you feel like it? Sort of 503 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: was an easy jump to make well. 504 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 5: I studied acting and directing at Howard University. I wrote 505 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: something called Snow Black. It was my adaptation of Snow White, 506 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: and Snow White was a black girl that had really 507 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 5: big breasts. 508 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: It was funny. 509 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: It was really us, can we do it right now? 510 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: I need this immediately. 511 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: It was funny. 512 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 5: But choreography was a natural progression to directing. Out of Fame, 513 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: I became their favorite director because I had it like that, 514 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 5: and I was excited. The first time I directed Fame, 515 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 5: I was so excited I couldn't sleep, and I kept 516 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 5: wondering how should I dress because there were no women 517 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: on the crew. There was my script supervisor and my 518 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 5: costume designer and make up. There were no women anywhere else, 519 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: and so I was trying to figure out how should dress. 520 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 5: Should I come in a little macho? Should I come 521 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 5: in Yeah, with a little sexy? And then I wore 522 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: my overalls and lace outs and I came in prepared 523 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: and they loved me because I was the quick at 524 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 5: knowing what I've wanted. 525 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: And you're good at making decisions knowing that you're the 526 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 3: decision has been made. You have to be confident in 527 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: your director. You're leading groups of people. You're leading with love, 528 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: which is like what you're so good at it? 529 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: Which and then that it's super infectious too, right, Katie, 530 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: like on set her joy in her passion and your 531 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: excitement for directing in for the show and for us, 532 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: it's infectious and you start to believe that, believe it 533 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: and drink that kool aid and be like, oh, I'm 534 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: really good, I'm going to do this, and then brings 535 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: the best out of you. 536 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 4: It's infectious, It really is. 537 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 5: It is the best moment when we're all going down 538 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 5: that same road and in the same light together. It's 539 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: just Jolyn. So I've been directing on Gray's Anatomy now 540 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 5: twelve years. 541 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: I call this Alley. 542 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 5: Tell that to Sean Rubs. I'm twelve years a slate, 543 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 5: but I much a good time. I'm still excited about 544 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 5: what I'm doing. 545 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: Say, it's so amazing that you're not like that, You're 546 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 3: I don't get any sense of like, oh I'm doing this. 547 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm so jaded already, and let's go. Debbie, 548 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: please tell me that you still have those orange parachute pants. 549 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: I do. 550 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: Those are my favorite. 551 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: I have them in yellow, blue, purple, red, peak, just 552 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: name color. 553 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 4: I love them. I love them. 554 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: I love them so much. One year Gladiators, one year 555 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: Shonda Rhymes. We always did a big Halloween dress up. 556 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: And one year Shanda Rhyme's dressed up for Halloween as 557 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: Debbie Allen did with her parachute kind of dance pants 558 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: and like a sneaker and some sort of sweater and 559 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 3: a hat. 560 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 5: Very cool, it's very flat. Well, listen, I hope that 561 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 5: you all. I don't know. Maybe they could be one 562 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 5: little reunion scandals over, but who's the same this climate, 563 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 5: somebody couldn't pick it up and try to fix things 564 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 5: or whatever's going on. 565 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, you know, we always do a six 566 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: Degrees of Horror because it's Gee's favorite thing in the 567 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: entire world. Has Debbie I ever been in a horror 568 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't. 569 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: I believe she hasn't, but she has directed a two 570 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: thousand and three Twilight Zone episode called The Monsters on 571 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: Maple Street. The Monsters are on Maple Street, Debbie. I 572 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: watched it the other day and it is so good, 573 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and it's not your typical horror episode or just your 574 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: typical horror thing. It's the citizens, the people, the humans 575 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: are the monsters. And it was such a wonderful episode. 576 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: Oh thank you get that again. That was we shopping 577 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 5: in Toronto up in Canada. Or was it maybe not Toronto, it. 578 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: Was Vancouver, Vancouver. 579 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: It was Vancouver. 580 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 5: And you know what was really funny was we was 581 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 5: got in locations and we had the perfect location and said, oh, 582 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 5: you'll never get that. These people never do it. I said, 583 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 5: let me go knock on the door. I knocked on 584 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 5: the door and she went, Lizzie, your grant. 585 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, And we got the location because she 586 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: was fan. 587 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: Debbie was at the house where that family was living 588 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: that everyone thought was like the bad guys. 589 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: It's such a wonderful house. 590 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: It's this sort of scary observation of how false they 591 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: made up information and paranoia and jumping to conclusions contributes 592 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: to our own self destruction and demise. 593 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 4: It's super timely. 594 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: These people like are thinking that this one family are 595 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: the monsters, and when turned they're the monsters. 596 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 4: It's so good. 597 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah good. 598 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 5: I know we got a television is so powerful and 599 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 5: we have to keep doing things and making things that 600 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: can help people start to think about the world and 601 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 5: about the community a little bit better. 602 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: And what is like that? Who are the real monsters? 603 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 4: Yes, and you can check it out. 604 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. I watched it on YouTube, so if 605 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: anybody wants to check it out. 606 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: Debbie Allen, you are the greatest. I'm trying to think 607 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: if there's anything else in this episode did I mean, 608 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: I don't even know if you remember if there was 609 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: anything else in this episode that stood out to you 610 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: before we let you go. There are a few things 611 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: for me and no pressure, but I was so disgusted 612 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: by Leo Bergen is paying this little cheerleader to hook 613 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: up with Jerry Grant, their son and get a sperm 614 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 3: sample so that Melly can test if he is fits 615 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: his son and not Big Jerry's son. Yes, and Lee 616 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: call it. I wrote something like man chowder and I 617 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: almost gagged. I was like, are these writers kidding? 618 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 4: This is so grud That actress is so good. 619 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: She was so good, she was so good. I'm trying 620 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: to think if there were any other like big acting wins. Oh, 621 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: this is where you're doing the whole bomb was being 622 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: set up, and you think that the bomb is underneath 623 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: where they're doing an election speech. But then we realized 624 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 3: that the bomb is in the funeral home, is at 625 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: the funeral of the senator that was High Tower who 626 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: was murdered, and it was like all staged. 627 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: I remember going on location with that. I remember that, 628 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: I remember shooting the stage. We were at a school 629 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: somewhere and not far from the studio. I remember that. 630 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, gee, did you have any other moments that you 631 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: like liked. 632 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: There's a moment Katie where Huck is like, Okay, I'll 633 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: go find him. When you, Charlie and myself were talking 634 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: about we need to find Dominic, and Huck is, let's 635 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: just go out there and find him, and you and 636 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Charlie are like, no, let's do this, and I'm like, 637 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: its screwed it. I'm gonna go find him. And then 638 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: he comes back and he drops the body on the ground. 639 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: Dominant is not dead yet. And and your face, your reaction, 640 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: I think that's the moment that Quinn decided she's gonna 641 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: have sex with Huck, because your reaction, your face is 642 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: You're like, you're almost like licking your lips. 643 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: It's just a dead body. These people were so sick. 644 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: G and I haven't had intimate scenes since this new 645 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: role of an intimacy coordinator, which is so awesome. And 646 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: when we got this scene, G and I, before we 647 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: came to said had a conversation where we were like, 648 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: Quinn and Hook, they can't just movie kiss, like their 649 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: pain and pleasure threshold is very confused and heightened, and 650 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: so we basically were like are you cool with a 651 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: lot of tongue. 652 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: That was our yeah. 653 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: Intimacy coordinator conversations. 654 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 4: We were just like, I'm cool, you cool? Do whatever? 655 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: Like we were like, are you cool? Do you feel 656 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: safe with me? And what was so cool was we 657 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: had already worked together for three years and had become 658 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: such tight friends that we were like, I feel great, 659 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: Let's do whatever. 660 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great. You all were friends and so 661 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 5: you fell into it and it was okay. You knew 662 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 5: you were playing your part and you all went for it. 663 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 5: And it was so hot. Oh, it was hot. 664 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 4: It was it was hilarious. 665 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 3: We're on a car. And also before we let you go, 666 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 3: the last thing. Do you remember, right before we have 667 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: sex on the car, Quinn slaps the shit out of 668 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: Huck and I nailed him in the ear and I 669 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: couldn't tell, but g says, when you watch back the episode, 670 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: his ear is like straight red and he went deaf 671 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: for twenty. 672 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: Debby, I couldn't hear for like twenty minutes. But listen, 673 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm a trooper. The show must go on. I would 674 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: like to do it again. 675 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 4: Let's go. 676 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 5: Oh real, we could never stop rolling. I would never 677 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 5: say cut for that because it was too good. 678 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: It's real. 679 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so real. 680 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 5: Yes, it's like that moment I was on Broadway in 681 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 5: the taunting scene. I was playing Anita in West Side. 682 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 5: Oh my god, the scene which they often called the 683 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 5: rape scene where a Jets really attacked a Nia. Yes, yeah, 684 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 5: one night something happened and those boys pull my inturn 685 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 5: blouse off and that was no did on stage on Broadway. 686 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 5: And when I tell you, I slept, every last one 687 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 5: of the mass tried to knock them out and it 688 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 5: was like I hit them for real too, because it 689 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 5: was just too real it happened. 690 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 2: And then the little yeah, Debnie, that was fat, that 691 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: was fat? Do it again. I'm like, shut up, shut. 692 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: Up, shut up, and next time, don't pull my blouse off. 693 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Debbie, you have had the like this is insane. 694 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: And also how do you look the way you do? 695 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: I don't understand it. 696 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm so tired girl. 697 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: Come on, no, no, you are so gorgeous. It is insane. 698 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: And then you run a school that has unbelievable programming, 699 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 3: and you direct, and you run Gray's Anatomy, and you 700 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: act on Grais Anatomy and you're the villain, and you 701 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 3: have children and a husband and a life. 702 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 5: I know it's a little tricky. It's a little tricky. 703 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 5: One thing at a time, and take time. Husband and 704 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 5: I had a great fortieth anniversary celebration. 705 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: Oh day, gradual elation. 706 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: You know, I have grand babies. 707 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 5: I have two and Vivings expecting one and now my 708 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 5: son Thump is expecting one. 709 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 2: I have four. I'm going to have four by November. 710 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 5: Oh my, wow, have no bless and my mom is 711 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 5: going to turn one hundred and one July twenty ninth. 712 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: Are oh my god kidding me really quickly. I read something, 713 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: DeBie that your dad, who has passed away now accompanied 714 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: you to the Emmys, right, and you won your Emmy 715 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: for Choreography for Fame, and then shortly after he passed away. 716 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 4: Right. 717 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: Oh, but how special, how wonderful that he got to 718 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: go to the Emmys with you and. 719 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 4: You, oh, you were able to be there with him. 720 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's something I treasure seeing that clip because I 721 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 5: see him in the audience. Oh, I see him in 722 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 5: the audience. I'm looking at him and yeah, daddy was 723 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 5: a dentist and he really supported me and my such 724 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 5: a fulicial shot who is amazing. 725 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 4: Oh. 726 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 3: I waited on her once when I was in nobody 727 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 3: and she was, oh, yeah. I used to work at 728 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: this big theater restaurant called Cafe Cello. It was a 729 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: great gig because you only worked till, you know, four 730 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 3: pm to seven forty five. You got everyone asses out 731 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 3: to the theater and then there was a ghost town 732 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: in there. So I really liked the job. But one 733 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: time Felicia came in there, and I remember she ordered 734 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 3: her soup and it sounded like the best voice in 735 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 3: speech class I'd ever heard, Like just the way her 736 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: instrument worked. I don't know if she was coming from. Yeah, 737 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: like her cadence and her speech and dialect in her 738 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 3: the way her voice was supported, and she was so 739 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: classy and let it be known, she was so nice 740 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: to me and I would never forget it. And that 741 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: day she made my day. I got to call my 742 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 3: parents and be like I waited on. 743 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's a little girl. 744 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 5: We grew up, we grew up with a big family, 745 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 5: so we're pretty down to her people, that's for sure. 746 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 3: So Debbie, thank you so much for making time in 747 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 3: your busy, busy schedu Well, we love you so much. 748 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: You are literally one of your special human beings on 749 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 3: the planet. 750 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: Thank you. 751 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna rewatch the entire scandal. I'm going to 752 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 5: hold up. 753 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 4: It's so good. 754 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: Holds up. 755 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna watch it again. It's really great. 756 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 4: It is. 757 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 758 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we love you. 759 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 4: Thank you. 760 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 3: Ge Wow. Not only do we have tweets at the 761 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 3: time tonight, we also have a user review that said 762 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 3: get rid of Quinn. I want to and this is 763 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: what it says. This is a featured review. You guys 764 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 3: are gonna love this. I want to just barf every 765 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: time Quinn is in a scene. There is no legitimate 766 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: reason why she should have any combat or shooting skills. Honestly, 767 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: how did she acquire these almost magical skills she suddenly has. 768 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 3: It's not believable that she would be recruited by a 769 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 3: super spy organization. She's trying too hard to be a 770 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: ross between Huck and Olivia. She's not a bad aass 771 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 3: like she wants to be. She isn't useful any longer 772 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 3: to the show as a character and should be written out. 773 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 3: Thank you so much whoever wrote that. Thank you for 774 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: caring and having strong feelings. 775 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: Listen, Katie, I don't know about you, but I used 776 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: to get pressed about ship like that written about me 777 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: or about Huck in the beginning of this show. I 778 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: used to hurt my feelings, but now I literally I 779 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: search for it. I I love it. The nastier, the better, 780 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: the meaner they are to me, the better. It's just enjoyable. 781 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: It's so enjoyable. And also people feel they're anonymous into 782 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: this social media world. If I were to write back 783 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: to that person and be like, Hi, what's up. I 784 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: can't believe you felt the way of my character, they 785 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 3: would be like, oh no, my god, it's just kidding. 786 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: They think you're writing it into the ether. 787 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: One's gonna go and yeah or read it, or that 788 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: we'll never read it. 789 00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 790 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: Number one feeling tweeted Mellie Grant please stop being a victim? 791 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 3: Or how Olivia Pope owes you nothing? Wow? 792 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 4: Wow? 793 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah she is victimy in this episode. But hey, she 794 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 3: was literally raped by her husband's. 795 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: Father, right, she's upset. Look at m z M y N. 796 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: Well here's a harsh one, Katie. You're in good company. 797 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: I hate Jake hashtag scandal. 798 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 3: Oh wait, here's an amazing, amazing Retta. We should have 799 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 3: her on what Heretta? Yes, I can text her. Ritta, 800 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 3: whose Twitter handle is at unfreddable, said I need Andrew 801 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 3: to stop screwing my wife. She wrote, here's your cake? 802 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 3: Fits would you like to eat it too? Oh? So 803 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 3: she feels like Melly has every right to be screwing 804 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 3: Andrew because Fitz is also a cheater. Oh my god, 805 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 3: this is really mean and really good at Aufen Trovert wrote, 806 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 3: the day Jeoffrey on Game of Throw and Quinn from 807 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 3: Scandal die, it will be the happiest days on social media. 808 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 1: Yes, wait did that character die on Game of Thrones 809 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: because print didn't die. 810 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, Introvert. 811 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: Let's see at Bella Dame Noir tweeted something was up 812 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: with the scene. I don't think it was just a 813 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: scene thrown in there. It's the scene where there's a 814 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: picture of popa Pope and Harrison. 815 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 3: I know, but there. Yeah, there was a weird feeling there. 816 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: I kind of remember that. Oh to tweet it again, 817 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 3: she wrote, is anyone else uncomfortable with the sex scene 818 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 3: knowing Kerry is pregnant? 819 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 4: Hashtag phoebe Liza, I like this one. 820 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: At pm Kel tweeted I want to be drunk Melly 821 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: Grant when I grow up. 822 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 4: Hashtag scandal. 823 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 3: At Forever Island, g Olivia guilty face when Jake says 824 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 3: how she slept with him l O l O l 825 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 3: l o llollol. Oh this is just fab Someone tweeted 826 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 3: a great picture of me, Danny Buka and Bells. 827 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 4: With glass with sunglasses on. 828 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 3: That's really and you guys next up is the finale 829 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 3: of season three. Can you believe it? 830 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: All? Right? 831 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 3: How do we there? 832 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 4: Already? 833 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 3: We did it. We did the second season of Unpacking 834 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 3: victorm Ball. 835 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: And it's called what is that one called? The Price 836 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: of Free and Fair Elections? 837 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: Guys, it's a doozy Episode three eighteen, The Price of 838 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 3: Free and Fair Elections. 839 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 4: Season three of Scandal. 840 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 3: Keep you with us, guys, Stick with us. We'll explain. 841 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 4: You'll get it. 842 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 3: You'll get it. We'll probably have a great guest. 843 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 4: We love you the you guys. Bye. 844 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. 845 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, 846 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 1: or leave us a review. 847 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alce, 848 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and 849 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 3: editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher. 850 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can 851 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu. 852 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 853 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 3: partnership with iHeartRadio. 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