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Speaker 1: All right, we're talking to Jesse Rodgers in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Let me just do do a quick thanks. We get

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Speaker 1: the games here and there. The Tigers have lost nine

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Speaker 1: to ten. They were just swept by the Pirates. Any

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Speaker 1: concern level for either of you before we bring on

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Speaker 1: Jesse or is it just a blip in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the season. Getting want to buy the Pirates before

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Speaker 1: the end of the first half and then they look fine?

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, I mean the Phillies. Phillies struggle bus against

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Speaker 2: the Pirates. They can Pirates can pitch. So to me,

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Speaker 2: the fact that, to me, the fact that they didn't

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Speaker 2: score runs against the Pirates is the concerning part, because

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Speaker 2: you feel like some of this lineup has been kind

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Speaker 2: of like ooh yeah, yeah, yeah, like we're we're in it,

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Speaker 2: We're not in it. Wow, this guy's having a career year.

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Speaker 2: Are those guys going to continue their career years? To me,

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Speaker 2: this is a great kick in the butt. Maybe they

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Speaker 2: go get a Hiniosuarez to solidify that line up.

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Speaker 1: Woo. All right, well, let's bring up the man of

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Speaker 1: the hour. Then that's Jesse Rogers, not Genosuarez. From ESPN

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Speaker 1: and ESPN dot Com Jesse. Great to have you back on.

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Speaker 1: I know you're hustling right now. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Gino Suarez could be a fit

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Speaker 1: for a team like the Tigers?

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Speaker 3: If not?

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot just now about a potential Nlcentral

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Speaker 1: battle with the Cubs and Brewers going after a bat

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Speaker 1: like that. What are you hearing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's go through it.

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Speaker 4: The Yankees, the Mets, Mark Viientos hasn't been very good,

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Speaker 4: the Brewers, the Cubs, the Mariners. Yes, Tigers. Absolutely, He's

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Speaker 4: a fit everywhere. He's a great clubhouse guy. He continues

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Speaker 4: to hit home runs, home road, doesn't matter, against all

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Speaker 4: sorts of pitching. I think there's going to be a

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Speaker 4: nice little battle for his services, especially for the teams

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Speaker 4: that are a little bit offensively depressed, which I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily include the Cubs in that category. The Brewers score runs,

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Speaker 4: they don't really slug as much, But any of these

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Speaker 4: teams could use him. I mean, it's gonna come down

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Speaker 4: to what are you offering?

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Speaker 3: Make my case?

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Speaker 4: And if I'm him, I have a four sales sign

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Speaker 4: on and I'm taking offers for a guy like Soarez.

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Speaker 4: It's a rare year where a third baseman slash DH

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to call him, is available or needed

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Speaker 4: by so many teams. So I think he's a fit

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Speaker 4: in all those cities and could really help some of

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Speaker 3: That are having some struggles offensively.

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Speaker 2: Let's just sit at third base in the in the Central,

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Speaker 2: because all we hear from the Central is, oh, we

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Speaker 2: don't have a lot of money, we don't have this,

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Speaker 2: Well you Hinnosuarez, is it really going to cost a lot?

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Speaker 2: I get it. Five million for the rest of the

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Speaker 2: season is technically pro rated a lot for what's going

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Speaker 2: Somebody that is able to be sent to any of

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Speaker 2: the NLC central third baseman needed clubs because he plays defense.

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Speaker 2: He's not just a rental which low small market teams want,

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Speaker 2: but he's also costs money, which small market teams are saying, no,

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Speaker 2: we don't want to spend money.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I kind of think he's the consolation prize to Suarez

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Speaker 4: and any of the teams that don't get him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think Suarez is great, but for

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Speaker 4: ask for a lot where McMahon's not gonna cost you

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Speaker 4: a lot no matter what. For some reason, he's not

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Speaker 4: hitting even in Colorado, which is strange. But he is

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Speaker 4: a plus defender. Maybe you put him in a better lineup,

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Speaker 4: for example, with the Chicago Cubs, you could split times

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Speaker 4: For Ryan McMahon, if you're trying to buy, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think you hit that perfectly. Another guy I've been

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Speaker 5: thinking about Seth Lugo. Play with him with the Mets.

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Speaker 5: Now with the Royals, he's got one more year with

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Speaker 5: He can actually relieve. I'm not saying he will, but

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Speaker 5: and could you see him go somewhere else?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what are the adjectives you can use that

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Speaker 4: describe him in a positive light? Tell me, because that's

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Speaker 4: what he is. I was at Wrigley Field yesterday. This

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Speaker 4: So I mean, this guy can get it done. He's

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Speaker 4: a playoff caliber pitcher. I think that the line there

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Speaker 4: They've played themselves into it over the last few weeks,

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Speaker 4: Few more days here, so we'll see but I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what. He was a wily veteran seth luger in

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Speaker 4: Vinnie Pascuatina was looking over and pointing at his locker.

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Speaker 4: I want that guy in Royal Blue next week. I

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Speaker 2: We saw so many teams making the AL Central making

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Speaker 2: the playoffs last year from the Ale Central. Is it

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Speaker 2: a stronger Central Division this year? Meaning hey, you know what,

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Speaker 2: the rest of the division has just kind of been mid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's that.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy how based in Chicago, I see

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Speaker 4: That takes a strong, mentally tough manager to get that

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Speaker 4: Replace him if it's you know, it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 3: The worst thing. You know, here's your hope.

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Speaker 5: I would agree with you to the fullest extent. I

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from Jesse Rodgers there of course, and also

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Speaker 2: to me, I don't hate that. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: best case scenario for them to try to maximize value

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Speaker 2: that he pitched, well, I think he's gonna probably get

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Speaker 2: one more start, and at one more start, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I should have looked it up before I started talking

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Speaker 2: about it. But who it's gonna be. You face the Padres,

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Speaker 2: a playoff contending team, team everyone thinks is probably gonna

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Speaker 2: be in the playoffs, and he does what he did.

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Speaker 2: Like it shows he can rise to the occasion. You

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Speaker 2: need time to come back from Tommy John surgery. Not

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Speaker 2: everybody is at their top peak. But to me, Sandy

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Speaker 2: al Contra at his best is a game changer. Could

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Speaker 2: slot in on some teams number two or number three

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Speaker 2: starters in a seven game series. Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he said. John Mazzelak,

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Speaker 1: who has been running the Cardinals front office for a

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Speaker 1: long time, is finishing up in that role. He'll still

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Speaker 1: be part of the organization. But this one's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're talking enough about the Cardinals crats because

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Speaker 1: now that they're starting to sink, they do have assets

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Speaker 1: to sell. The trade deadline, it is a seller's market,

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Speaker 1: and you have someone running a team only for a

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Speaker 1: few more months having conversations with veteran players about waiving

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Speaker 1: no trade clauses. Nolan Arnado, Sonny Gray, and Wilson Contreras

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Speaker 1: all have no trade clauses. Do you think that any

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Speaker 1: of them will move? And I'll give you some context here,

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Speaker 1: most that he intends to get a good understanding of

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Speaker 1: Arnado's no trade preferences leading up to the deadline. Remember

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Speaker 1: in the off season they had him dealt to Houston

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Speaker 1: and he took it back, So they would like to

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Speaker 1: have the communication down before they do hours and hours

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Speaker 1: of work. That's fair, he said, quote, I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Aronatto about the no trade clause. He hadn't as of

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Speaker 1: this last quote when he spoke publicly, but said that's

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Speaker 1: something he's going to have a good understanding of as

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Speaker 1: they enter the final week here before the deadline. He said,

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Speaker 1: right now, I would envision him being part of this

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Speaker 1: in the future, but if something were to pop up,

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Speaker 1: I would definitely discuss it with him.

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Speaker 3: Thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's there. So you have so

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Speaker 2: many different layers with different things. Nolan Aronauta specifically, We've

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Speaker 2: already talked about a Hennio Suarez, we talked about Ryan McMahon,

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Speaker 2: guys that are gonna make impacts in lineups. Aernado is

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Speaker 2: definitely a third place in the impact in the lineup

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Speaker 2: and the sense that he could be better than McMahon.

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Speaker 2: McMahon's having a down year, so you're getting maybe a

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Speaker 2: player in McMahon who's gonna cost you less monetarily wise,

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Speaker 2: but you're getting, you know, maybe a little bit weaker

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Speaker 2: offense and definitely weaker defense. To me, you talk about

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Speaker 2: Aeronado's defense, do you want because his offense is going

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Speaker 2: to be a crap shoot. He started out April and

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Speaker 2: part of May he was killing it. Now he's kind

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Speaker 2: of falling back to rate just below average OPS plus

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Speaker 2: for the season. Are you gonna say we'll take all

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Speaker 2: of Aernado and the fact that the Cardinals were going

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Speaker 2: to buy down a lot of his contract to get

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Speaker 2: a prospect and take his defense and install it at

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Speaker 2: third on a team that doesn't have very much defense Yankees?

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Speaker 2: Or are you gonna go key Brian Hayes where the

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Speaker 2: offensive ceiling is capped and you know it's not gonna

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Speaker 2: be there. So to me, their defense, I still think

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Speaker 2: Eronado is better. So after all these teams miss out

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Speaker 2: on au Hennio Suarez, miss out on Ryan McMahon, or

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Speaker 2: he's not available, they're gonna get a lot of chatter

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Speaker 2: from Nolan Ernado. And I think Nolan Ernado will have

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Speaker 2: extreme success if he goes to the Yankees, because he's

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Speaker 2: been in two organizations that are behind analytically in the

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Speaker 2: Rockies and the Cardinals, and then once he goes to

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Speaker 2: the Yankees, because some of his teammates have gone there

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Speaker 2: and known what the Yankees know and how to help

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Speaker 2: fix those things. To me, Eronado gets the most play

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Speaker 2: out of all of these guys, and I think he

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Speaker 2: might be a dark horse.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he gets out.

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Speaker 5: I think he does. I think he will to the

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Speaker 5: certain team, and you know, he's no trade clause, it's

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Speaker 5: difficult to really get traded. But if it was a

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Speaker 5: team in contention that was guaranteed a playoff spot, I

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Speaker 5: think he definitely would. Remember we're talking about always going

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Speaker 5: to go here and there, like it was a definite

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Speaker 5: he was going to go. Like those are the times

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Speaker 5: where guys really don't go. I feel like it's kind

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Speaker 5: of been slow played a little bit where maybe the

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Speaker 5: something might pop up, you know, early in trade rumors

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Speaker 5: and once the time comes in August here, so we'll see, Uh,

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Speaker 5: we'll see. I would love to see him go to

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Speaker 5: a team that's in intention to see him in the

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Speaker 5: playoffs a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I agree with you. I do think

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Speaker 1: there are certain teams he just won't jump to. I

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Speaker 1: don't know which teams those are. But if we go

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Speaker 1: back on them, well, right, I mean, well, he said

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Speaker 1: he would consider it, but maybe he was just being nice.

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Speaker 1: Houston's a good point. There's four or five other teams

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Speaker 1: that are interested in the third baseman, right? Would he

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Speaker 1: go to Detroit? Would he go to Milwaukee? Kratz is

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Speaker 1: mentioning New York. I don't know if the Yanks want him?

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Speaker 1: Would he go to Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Cubs not white?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows what his desire is? Is it location?

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Speaker 2: Does the only one to go to the West Coast?

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Speaker 2: Is it tax purposes? Does the next team have to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: we'll take you know, we'll add this X to your

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Speaker 2: contract to be able to cover the tax part of it.

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Who knows what that is? Or maybe he's like I

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Speaker 2: kind of like it. Here in Saint Louis, the fans

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Speaker 2: like me for the most part, and I'll finish out

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Speaker 2: here because I'm comfortable, or we'll talk about it in

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Speaker 2: the off season. I don't know. It's too much speculation

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Speaker 2: for me. I think he can help any of those

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Speaker 2: teams that we have talked about all day today. This

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Speaker 2: is third base, third base Thursday with the Todd That's.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, a lot of third base talk. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's because you have third base available. Some other positions

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Speaker 1: are than like middle, endfield,