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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hey, it's time for episode two of

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Speaker 1: this week of the almost same as podcast. We're breaking

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Speaker 1: down Bachelor in Paradise. Let's call this the Return of

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Speaker 1: the People, because both guys and girls are showing up

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Speaker 1: to the beach this episode, and we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Ashley's here to help us do that. Ashley, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Uh? Not much. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about this episode? Uh? You know, honestly, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we could break this down about five minutes because a

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Speaker 1: lot of it was the same thing, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it was expected. You have told me, you know

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Speaker 1: that there was no twists and turns. We get what

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Speaker 1: we get. I thought it's fine. I was really kind

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Speaker 1: of hoping that the return of everybody to the beach

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Speaker 1: would cause more storylines. But the storylines that played out

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Speaker 1: feel like they've been storylines the last you know, a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes of the show. Yeah. The one storyline that

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Speaker 1: I feel like we still have to like kind of

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Speaker 1: watch develop will be the Victoria, Alex and Johnny storyline. Look,

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Speaker 1: that's the only one that has like kind of a oh,

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen, vibe to it. Everything else, everybody

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Speaker 1: else seems pretty paired off. Um. I think that this

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Speaker 1: episode was kind of a demonstration of the season being

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Speaker 1: dragged out a little bit too long. I know that

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Speaker 1: there was more episodes ordered because it does suit do

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Speaker 1: so well for ABC. But it's moments like this where

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Speaker 1: it's just like, Okay, we may be like drag out

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Speaker 1: certain like conversations too long just because we have time

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Speaker 1: to fill. I think that is exactly what has happened now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this episode was not worth the watch. Fine,

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Speaker 1: it could have been an hour, not two hours. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's that's exactly. It could have been an hour. It

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Speaker 1: would have been an amazing hour of television. It drawed

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Speaker 1: out a little frong for two hours of television, but

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Speaker 1: it's still interesting. I don't know where I sit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a hundred percent against the switch

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Speaker 1: up where the guys stay, the girls leave, the girls

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Speaker 1: getting new guys, the guys getting new girls. I think

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Speaker 1: it did add an element of surprise. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was probably easy on any of the relationships that

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Speaker 1: fully against it. I know there's some people out there

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Speaker 1: like this was just wrong. It was it was unhealthy,

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Speaker 1: and I would agree, is it? Um? I would argue, Well,

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Speaker 1: I would argue with that that you you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: knew they were going to Paradise, which in itself is

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Speaker 1: kind of been a healthy, untraditional experience. So you knew

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Speaker 1: that you were signing up for something wild and weird

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Speaker 1: and wacky. Um, but you know, this is the first

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Speaker 1: time ever we've seen everybody get reunited again, and kind

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Speaker 1: of is to come from that, you know, actually to

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Speaker 1: kind of kick this off through the question of you,

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Speaker 1: are there any shocking relationships that ended that you expected

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Speaker 1: to stay together with this switch up? Well, I thought

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Speaker 1: that Jill Um and Jacob was they were going to

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Speaker 1: end because of somebody in the way, and that wasn't

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Speaker 1: the case. And then I didn't think the Logan and

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Speaker 1: Jane thing would be as explosive as it was. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know Andrew and Brittany, we knew that was coming.

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Speaker 1: But the thing about that is I still feel something

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Speaker 1: like I still want Andrew and Brittany to kind of

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Speaker 1: be together. They're so cute. I would agree, I'm shocked.

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Speaker 1: Um that they're not together. That's the one that surprised me.

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Speaker 1: I felt they both were kind of in that space like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the that's the only one that's like relationship, the ended

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Speaker 1: after watching the episodes, you understand that she has way

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Speaker 1: more passion with Tyler. But there's just like some cuteness

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Speaker 1: that I just love to see the two like the

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Speaker 1: two of them on on screen together whatever. But yeah, basically,

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Speaker 1: we just recapped the episode. The episode is recapped. That's

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Speaker 1: what happened. We can go, We'll go. We did. We

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Speaker 1: could do it in ten minutes, and we did. We did.

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Speaker 1: We did it in less than like three But we

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Speaker 1: with jenefeven Aaron, because Jennefy was by far the most

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Speaker 1: And it was really really adorable to see her get

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Speaker 1: the separation to now. I'm surprised they both did stay

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Speaker 1: be interested in pursuing other things, but near them were

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Speaker 1: and uh, and I don't we didn't get to see

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Speaker 1: I mean, not to impugne his relationship with Geneteve, but

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Speaker 1: At the guy's table with Brandon and Johnny, it seemed

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Speaker 1: like just sitting there, you know, passing the time for

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Speaker 1: which is which is pretty special. I'm wondering if they're

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Speaker 1: that week didn't break them up, I can't first see

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Speaker 1: anything else, especially after that reunion. And how funny was

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Speaker 1: he when he like basically drew it out. He was

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Speaker 1: like the producer's best pet, you know, in that moment

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Speaker 1: So Genevieve and Aaron are staying strong at least as

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Speaker 1: the probably the weirdest again. We talked about it last

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Speaker 1: on her desires for Tyler, Tyler's desires for Brittany, and

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Speaker 1: then Nay seemed like Logan needed to be heard. You know,

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Speaker 1: I still don't quite understand, um, the fairness and ownership there.

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Speaker 1: find out that Logan has moved on to Kate. This

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Speaker 1: to him a lot. Basically, he was like, I wanted

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Speaker 1: true because she would have been with Tyler. I think

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Speaker 1: have been more of a toss up. I still think

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Speaker 1: been okay either way. I think, Um, he says, I

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Speaker 1: still care for you, but I have feel something stronger

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Speaker 1: for Kate. Then she basically like as much as I

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Speaker 1: think that, like Logan is watching paint right, he does

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Speaker 1: have a point when he was like, UM, don't tell

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Speaker 1: just like recovering from the situation. With you trying to

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Speaker 1: conversation is not going well. She denies a hug from him,

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Speaker 1: and then Shane says that Kay is rude and they

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Speaker 1: but is it funny for us to watch? Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: and then she had to come after Seney at Women

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Speaker 1: Tell All. And then then Nay and Sea Kid have

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Speaker 1: It's actually kind of interesting how a lot of the

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Speaker 1: so they're not supporting now at all, but they're like

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Speaker 1: like to believe that you're a better person. I really

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Speaker 1: do like to believe that, like people could do their

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Speaker 1: on that side. Well, you you have always been kind

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Speaker 1: of thrown off by the communication style of belittling something exactly.

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Speaker 1: You've always m trigger like yeah, more of a sensitive

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Speaker 1: space for those who put other people down with backwards

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Speaker 1: so close. He knows me so well, he knows me

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Speaker 1: tone is meaner than actual words. This is just me,

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Speaker 1: this is this could just be me, and that's fine.

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Speaker 1: It's like a quality of mine. Now well, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think it could just be you. I think

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Speaker 1: other and breakups. You feel like you know more than

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Speaker 1: me in this and that's frustrating. It is and it

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Speaker 1: is manipulated manipulative language, just like adding a few words

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Speaker 1: I'd like to believe you could be a good cost

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