WEBVTT - Batman: Caped Crusader S2E1-4 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:05.240 Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for season two of Batman 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:24.280 Cape Crusader episodes one through four, just the first four one. Hello, 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.640 my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.520 welcome back the extra vision of the podcast where we 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.440 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, colleges, have pop culture. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.360 Cow You from my Heart, We're We're breathing you three episodes. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.479 A weeks blusters. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:45.120 In today's episode, we're back in the steampunk inspired nineteen 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.560 forties noir drenched world of Batman Cape Crusader. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.240 Bruce tim is back. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.120 He is executive produced once again by JJ Abrams and 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.760 Matt Reeves of the Batman fame, with some. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.959 More Batman cartooning. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.720 But the question is Jason in a post X Men world, 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.080 in a post Batman Cape Crusado season one in an 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.160 invincible era? 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.120 Do these episodes stand up? 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.200 What do we see in them? How do they reimagine 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.640 the characters? That's what this show has been really famous for. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.360 That's what we're going to be digging into on those 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.520 first four episodes. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.400 So if you've not watched the first four episodes. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.880 You might not want to listen or you might and 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.839 then go check out the episodes and see what you think. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.160 Okay, let's start with episode one, Brute Force. It's wonderful 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.520 to have Cape Crusader back. I will say, I'm kind 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.640 of a surprise. It's a little bit of a dead 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:43.880 summer TV zone. I've transitioned to brainless reality TV to 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.319 just kind of smooth everything out. So it's been nice 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.520 to have this along with X Men ninety seven to 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:51.800 kind of carry us through. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.680 It's very classy too, like everything saye yeah, I feel 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.280 like I'm like, oh, I'm watching some real TV. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.280 Here tells you about the quality of television that I. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:03.160 Watch that this is. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.280 I'm like, wow, this is prestigious. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.079 No, but it does feel classic, you know, because. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.600 It the money is that you can see the money 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:10.880 on the. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:16.640 Screen, and you know, it obviously brings back that feeling 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.160 of the original Batman, the animated series. So there is 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:25.400 like a it's like when they reissue you know, like 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:30.160 a car and a classic silhouette or like uh yeah exactly, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.880 or they make a digital camera so that it looks 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.080 like an analogue camera. It's like there's something kind of 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.760 classic and classy about it. Start with episode one brute force. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:48.080 Rupert Thorne is on trial, yes, and for once it 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.480 looks like the state's got something on him. There's an 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.840 accountant named Julian who has and this is like an 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.200 absolute ripoff of the Untouchables. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:04.239 But that's fine, it's so funny. Homage Jason an homage. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.920 An accountant named Julian has a photogaph graphic memory, so 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.560 has seen all the books and has all the dirt 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.399 on Rubert Thorn. I will say, like, is this actually admission? 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.120 I guess if you could scientifically. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.200 Prove right, Yeah, you have to prove that he has 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.560 an idetic memory, and you could test it on multiple things, 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.160 multiple things, and then you believe that the Gotham Police 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.440 Department has done that. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.160 I don't think so, Like, I don't know how much 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.520 juice they've got for that kind of stuff. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.800 But it's very much in the realm of this show 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.120 where they're kind of always asking you to have plausible deniability, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.920 but and also not just about like characters like this 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.680 where it's like, oh, this is a magic thing that 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.840 he has. It's not, you know, identic memories are real, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.119 but like it's probably an admissible in a court of law, 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.040 but at the same time, they're also giving you, like 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.800 this really weird version of the Riddler that's like not 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.840 at all you know a Riddler. So it's kind of 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.640 that interesting swinging between what you know and what you don't. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.840 Well, this is calendar Man, isn't. Isn't Julian calendar Man? 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.280 Julian Gregory the character. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:13.160 Yeah, like the actual named character is him. So that's 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.720 what I'm saying, is like, actually, I'm gonna ask about 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.800 this because aboo kind of actually is. But in the 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.039 pre pro this grounds a lot of those kind of 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.640 outrageous character Yes, and we get that with this version 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:25.679 of the Riddler, who's tided. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.360 How do you feel out Its kind of. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:36.320 Gangster like, you know, kind of more grounded, less sixties outrageous, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.520 kind of leaning into the silliness. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.960 I like it. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.599 I think that they I think it was important for 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.880 the show to establish a tone that is not only 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.880 in keeping with your original series, but grows on it. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.400 And I think the doubling down on as you described, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.560 the kind of like steampunk gangsterism, I. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.440 Think is the right of lots of Tommy guns. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:06.760 Yes, Thorn's henchman want to kill Julian before he can testify, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.160 and Batman ends up saving his life in order for 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.200 him to be able to talk. In the b plot, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.960 Edward Nigma, Yes, Thorn him ever heard of him? 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:21.840 Who is? 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.800 Thorn's kind of like guy like lieutenant Like. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.520 He's like this bixa. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.760 He like he gets ship done for him. He sorts 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:30.479 out problems. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.039 Pre Riddler is what I'm getting here? Right, This is 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.520 like before. 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.480 He's sure because the color palette is all there, so 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.680 I wasn't sure that they want you to know it's him. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.760 But I don't think this is a Riddler who's like 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.960 going around doing puzzles to Batman yet, right. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.560 He has not like developed that part of his repina. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.279 He's just kind of like, yeah, he buys a stolen 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.640 formula off Hugo Strange and to see him crazy, you 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.479 love to see that and puts it straight into his 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.279 most loyal soldier does and des turns into the Hulk. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:09.440 Basically yeah, like this kind of monstrous Solomon Grundy Hall like. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:17.599 However, Thorn beats the rap, absolutely remains calm, cool and 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.640 collected through the entire trial, walks out of Freeman, but 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:28.839 then he is poisoned by the Joker, and that we 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.320 get it and our first introduction to the Joker in 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:38.520 this series, and it is voiced by the actor who 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.000 plays Lara Strong and how Old Dragon, Matthew need Him 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.960 in a wonderful kind of low melodious kind of voice 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.880 that I found quite delightful. Your thoughts on this opening 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.520 episode of Batman Cape Crusader. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.480 Okay, I'm not gonna lie. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.400 I do feel that this episode does struggle with one 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.480 of my ultimate issues, which is post Christopher Nolan Batman. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.400 There has long been an argument that you can tell it, 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.040 you know, oh, it would be a great movie without Batman. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.760 That's what they always say about his films, right, I'm like, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.239 and then, what do you mean it's not a Batman movie? 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.560 Then? I do fear that this I love Hamish. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.360 Link later Batman voice. I think that's great voice casting. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.000 I fear that. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.360 He's a little too strained for me. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.880 Yeah, I just fear that he's not enough of a 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:30.840 presence in the show and in this in this episode 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.680 in a way that feels like really important. But I 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.160 did love this kind of like new romantic, like handsome, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.560 you know, suave Joker with this kind of like bernhuzal 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.560 gest voice, like done by Laris Strong, which I just 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.160 love so much, Like what a legend coming off a 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.240 crazy season of you know, House of the Dragon, Like this. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:55.840 Is a really good place. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.520 I would say something that I think is really interesting 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.320 to compare this to X Men ninety seven, right, which 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.040 is like my complaint about the first episode of X 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.440 Men ninety seven wasn't very accessible. Now I do fear 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.120 I may have monkey paused myself, and this is almost 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.200 like so accessible, right because I wouldn't necessarily if you 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.600 just this is the perfect cartoon, and I do mean 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.560 this in a complimentary way. This cartoon can be syndicated 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.680 for a million years and you will just turn on 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.880 this episode and you can watch it and enjoy it, right, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.880 Like you don't really need to know the cannon. It's 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.640 a great like just random episode. Is that your first 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:39.920 episode of your Amazon Prestige TV second outing? 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:41.839 I don't know, Like I don't think this is. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.080 One of its strongest episodes from what we've seen every 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.000 first season, but it is, like I do think that 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:48.920 you make a good point. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.160 The tone setting is quite like hardcore. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:59.599 Actually, yeah, I've found this. You know, it's hard not 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.000 to trusted with X Men ninety seven because both are 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.120 on the air at the same time and both have 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:09.199 kind of, like to me, opposite strength and opposite problems 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.040 X Men ninety seven. If it has a weakness, it 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.319 is there's too much meat in the sausage. Yes, and 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.560 I think that, And I think Batman Cape Crusader there's 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:24.080 maybe not enough meat in the sausage. And also agree 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.360 and also to your point the Hamage link later. First 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.520 of all, let me just say, Matthew Needham, I do 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.040 love the kind of like almost like joy Division esque. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:37.560 Right saying like euro Goth. Yeah, that's cool, you know, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:38.520 like it. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.880 Dripping his voice kind of like dripping with different tones. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:48.760 I like that quite a bit. Hamish link later it's 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.600 it's I needed to grow on me. The Batman part 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.120 of it. I think the Bruce Wayne part of it 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:55.600 is good. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.560 Yes, agree, he's a good birth rate. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:03.880 The Batman part of it feels too influenced by Batman 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.640 voice kind of in ear quotes. It is a little 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:08.880 too strained from me. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.160 Yeah, I need it to put like his crazy midnight 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.679 mass voice on it, like come on, we've seen you 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.640 do some crazy shit, Like let's go, let's get it 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:18.480 extra weird. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.880 I don't know, it just feels like there needs it 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.160 hasn't been seasoned enough. We gotta let it cook a 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:31.160 little bit. And overall so far a little bit light 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:32.360 of an episode. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:33.640 But I'm into what I'm saying. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.120 But also as well, like I'm saying, is like the 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.640 one thing I can't deny is just the quality of 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:39.080 the anime. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.559 It looks like that's the thing. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.720 Is like put it on your nice HD TV, watch 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.640 on your laptop, however you are, your iPad, whatever you however, 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.839 you enjoy watching things and just enjoy the definition on. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.400 The line weights, Yes, enjoy how straight the Joker's hat is, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.720 you know, just enjoy like the the artwork as adults. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.319 And I'm sure that you know, a six year old 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.200 is probably I loved bugsy Malone when I was a kid, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.000 so I guess a six year old might really be 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.960 into like Tommy Gunn Edward Nigma. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:08.720 Who what do I know? 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.520 Yeah, Okay, moving on to episode two, and I'm doing 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.480 this off the top, So if I'm getting anything wrong, Rosie, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:17.840 let me know. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.800 Yes, yes, we. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:26.200 Meet Lucius Fox. He is guiding Bruce through an upcoming 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.680 like in potential investment into Triad Industries. Triad Industries has 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.320 been working on something called Ultrium, which I absolutely loved. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:38.760 I love a name like that. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.120 As also this is like again I do want to 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.080 say they're having a lot of fun here with the 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.000 comic book stuff, because like the guy who's the CEO 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.160 of Triad here is like from these old detective comics 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.800 villains called the Terrible Trio. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:52.960 So they're having this. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:58.079 Like really silly kind of fun deep dive but reimagining it. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:59.640 And we get more of that. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.000 I mean even the episode name is Red Rockets Glass, 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.760 so if you can probably imagine what Batman the animated series, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.240 they're gonna reimagine. But yeah, me and Jason love Our 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.240 favorite thing about Avatar is unobtainium. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.240 Come on, you can't obtain it. Like that's a fucking hilarious. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.480 So Ultraam is like a super rocket fuel but absolutely green, 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:26.920 like completely clean, I mean with with energy per like 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.560 micro leader or whatever, but like burns very clean. Yes, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.959 so a super fuel. The company is obviously absolutely thrilled 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.719 about this, and they're talking about oh my and you 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.800 change the world blah blah blah blah blah. And now 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.040 there is the slight complication that their lead scientist doctor 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.040 Roxana Sutton. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.480 Yes, who if you are a big fan of the 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.080 original series, that's roxy Rocket, right, So they're doing their 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.880 reimagining here of the DC universe character Roxy Rocket, who 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.600 in the comics, I mean, in the original animated series 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.840 was like a villain, she was an antagonist, but here 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.720 it kind of is more like she was the good 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.200 one who invented it and who had some kind of 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.280 morals at least at some point. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:19.000 So sadly doctor Sutton, who spearheaded the kind of experimentation 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:25.560 and production of Ultrium, has conveniently passed away under mysterious circumstances. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.520 We don't know what happened. And the three you know, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.800 executives who are walking Bruce and Lucius through this, through 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.680 the portfolio or like, you know, sadly she's dead, but 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.679 like we've got the product, like. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.160 We know that, Like she died in a mysterious accident. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.679 Don't worry about that. It was the detective. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.360 Of course, Bruce wants to know more under his guise 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.280 of the Cape Crusader, and so he's like, you know, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.560 let me take a closer look, and he discovers in 0:13:53.720 --> 0:14:02.319 dramatic fashion than actually, doctor Sutton is not dead doctor Sutton. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.960 It is revealed through a gunfight in the corporate headquarters 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.160 of Triad Industries. Is rocksy Rocket. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.640 Could you believe it, guys if you've watched the original 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:15.920 anime series. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.920 That's right, And the Triad actually wanted to just kind 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.760 of like steal the tech which she had significant which 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.640 she has significant concerns about, and sell it without ever 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.880 addressing those concerns. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.440 Yeah, they basically wanted to. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.200 It was a Tony Stock type situation, like they kind 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.760 of reimagine her hair in a situation where she doesn't want. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:38.760 To sell. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.239 Weapons steel energy to weapon. 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.000 Stealers and terrorists and all the shit that they're going 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:44.560 to sell it to. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.560 So there's a big series of fights. She derails a 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.400 train in order to kind of like prove her point. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.800 Batman runs her down. There's like an aerial dog fight, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:05.160 and and once he figures out wait a second Roxy 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:10.280 Rocket Doctor Sutton gasp is her face is partially revealed. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.760 Uh is by the way one may Maska wonderful? Yes, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.280 it realizes that that she's the good guy. He switches sides, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.560 which is something you rarely see from Batman. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:28.760 I was gonna say right like he was actually moved. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.800 Yeah, his randy in tendencies were gone. Suddenly I met somebody. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.840 She gets up nice, it's nice, black and white. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.680 This is actually it's a great point because the thing 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.920 I enjoyed about this episode was Bruce's capitalist leanings were 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.520 fully exploited by Triad industries. And it was not until 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.760 he meets doctor Sutton in her Roxy Rocket guys and 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.400 she proves to him that actually, like these are the 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.080 bad guys. He is like, oh fuck, now, yeah, doesn't 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:08.120 he doesn't interrogate his capitalist leanings deeply enough, right, it's 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.760 only a surface kind of changing of sides based on 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:18.120 really pure morality. I'm sure there's other corporate shenanigans going 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.200 on elsewhere that Bruce is not really worried about, but here, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.320 when faced with it directly, he does change. So Roxy 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.160 and Batman team up, they bury the company. The three 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:36.880 suits all go to face charges, and uh and Roxy doesn't. Indeed, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.000 Spoiler does die. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.480 RP that she she sacrifices this. He ouf, yes, you 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.000 know that's what you got to do. When you're an 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.880 evil woman. You cannot survive, you can't have redemption. You 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.880 just got to die. But it's okay because Batman like 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.920 names a lab off the her because he is so 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:55.120 inspired by. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.560 Her, so you know, he does the money to work, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.880 gives it, gives out the old lab, the Rox and 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.760 Sutton medical lab or medical Bay or whatever. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.440 But that is there's not there's other weird stuff going 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.080 on in Gotham. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:15.480 Back in Gotham and episode tag, Hugo Strange has turned 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.520 up dead, tied to a chair, laughing maniacally. I wonder 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.639 what could have Someone has raided his lab and walked 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:31.160 off with all of his chemicals and various secret formulas. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:32.679 We don't see who it is. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.240 But this we know. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.000 I know, but I gotta ask you, Jason, because this 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.320 thing pursed up conversation. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.080 It's like is it is it somebody trying to set 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:40.760 up the Joker? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.879 Or is it the Joker? 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.440 Because I feel like it's like it's a Joker. It's 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.480 like so obvious. So I'm like, are they read herringing us? 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.800 Or At this point by episode two, I was like, Okay, wait, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.000 who's stealing all the toxins? Like does the Joker need it? 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:55.639 Like question? 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:56.000 Bark? 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.399 I love that read on it. Here's my why I 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.880 do believe that it must be him because he hasn't 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.640 been active long enough for the. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:11.119 Laughing oh in this universe, in this. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:16.600 Universe for the rigid smile and laughing death. The iconic 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.040 method of murder of Infamous Joker has not been established yet, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:24.199 so I feel like it must be. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.920 No, you're right, it's like that establishing it now. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:31.000 But because of our outside like cultural context and dramatic irony, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.720 we understand it more than the people within the space. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.439 Yeah, that's what I believe. I really I thought this 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.399 episode was a step up in particular because again, I 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:47.639 can't remember a time that that Bruce switched sides and 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.159 it didn't have anything to do with him trying to 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.520 fuck Catwoman or poison Ivy or something. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.600 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.520 It's it's rare to see him have an interaction with 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.879 a woman where he changes his mind that isn't driven 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.919 by like sex or like feeling a diamond or whatever 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.399 weird fucking faish as he's got going on. Also as well, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.160 I like Roxy Rocket is such a fun like animated 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.920 series character. You always feel excited if you see the toy. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.199 It feels kind of rare. It's like a bit of 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.200 a deep cup. But she's popular enough, so I think 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:26.040 it was a fun reimagining and also again having fun 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:26.639 with like. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.320 Who's a villain nowadays? 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.480 Like if you're making a Terrible trio, they're execs of 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:32.920 an evil tech company. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.440 You know, it's like it's it's obvious, but it's fun. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.199 And those tropes and those archetypes are good, and I 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.240 think that we're at least getting more of an obvious 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.080 kind of hint at what the overarching stuff is. I 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.720 am interested because our super producer Aaron did say he 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.560 thinks we haven't watched the second half yet, but he 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.840 thinks the second half is better. I do. I do 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:57.960 wonder if they maybe mistakenly thought they were like teasing 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.119 to the second half, but maybe these are gonna end 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.919 up feeling like Phila, even though they're fun, right, but 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.920 we're kind of saying that kind of loose. They don't 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.800 feel those very much like episode of the Week vibes. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.560 Yes, you know, but I'm excited. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.320 I'm excited to see where it goes, and obviously I 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.760 want to see more new wave Joker. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:35.480 Yes, Okay, so episode three deep Cover, Thorne is missing. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.840 He's dead, but nobody knows it except the Joker really yet, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.920 which means, you know, there's a gang war kind of brewing. 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.119 Edward Enigma has taken his place and has kind of 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:56.560 like grabbed the throne. Batman goes to a blackgay prison 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:03.560 as Matches Malone, one of his like old aliases. Uh, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:04.840 he gets close. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:10.600 To legendary legendary like deep caught Golden as Batman reference 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:11.320 that we love. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.679 That he goes in in order to get close to 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:19.600 Mark Desmond Dez, the same henchman that Enigma juiced with 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:26.400 strange formula, and he's there for a long time behind. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.800 Oh my god, seriously, like he's really living, like. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.040 Like he's he's over weeks, like. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.080 No one like came to help him. Like what the fuck? 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:36.440 Man? 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.159 I mean, Bruce, he's like living. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:41.919 I mean what this is like a kind of funny 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.480 series actually because it is this is like Bruce's adventures off. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.240 The res that's like like his what the fuck is 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.480 going on? Like where's he going? Is doing this? 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:53.120 Yeah? 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.359 Where's Who's who's being Bruce Wayne? Like is like some 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:01.160 sort was like is there like a clone know something like. 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.080 Who's who's out on the town, you know, like whining 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.560 and dining supermodels? Like what is it? I understand Luc's 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.359 Fox is probably handling a lot of the day to 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.520 day but like, could could you, as a is a 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.240 billionaire industrial just drop off the map for like three, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:17.320 four or five weeks? 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:21.680 Yeah, well, you're like, can you imagine like the episodes 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.800 of Succession, But it's just like no one knows where 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:26.840 Bruce is and just at the end of every episode 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:28.800 just cut to him in like some fucking shitty jail. 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:35.760 It's honestly insane. I gotta say, Matches aka Bruce, Wayne 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.520 and Dez really hit it off over the weeks. It's 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.520 over the intervening weeks they become like boys. 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.000