Speaker 1: I won't let my body out out everything that I'm made,
Speaker 1: don't won't spend my life trying to change. I'm learning
Speaker 1: to love who I am. I get I'm strong, I
Speaker 1: feel free, I know who every part of me. It's
Speaker 1: beautiful and then will always out way if you feel
Speaker 1: it with joys in the air, she'll love to the mood.
Speaker 1: I am there. Let's say good day and did you
Speaker 1: and die out? Happy Saturday. Outweigh fam Amy here and
Speaker 1: I am with our new resident guest hosts. Like we
Speaker 1: have a residency, you know, like they do in Vegas
Speaker 1: at the hotel's like Adele was supposed to have her
Speaker 1: residency and I think like Caesar's Palace, and then I
Speaker 1: don't know if she had to pull out of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, Garthen Brooks has residencies, George Strait has
Speaker 1: done some. And now we have Michelle Pillo pitch here.
Speaker 1: This one's not canceled. Yeah, the Outweigh residency, yes, not canceled.
Speaker 1: We are good to go and she will be here
Speaker 1: with me the next for Saturdays. Now, Michelle, this is
Speaker 1: your show. I'm gonna hand it over to you for
Speaker 1: today's topic and then we'll just engage in conversation around that.
Speaker 1: But we are so honored to have you here. And
Speaker 1: maybe you've been on the podcast before, but for new listeners,
Speaker 1: just introduce who you are, your credentials, and why you're
Speaker 1: passionate about outweigh. Yeah, well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be here. My name's Michelle Pillopitch. I'm
Speaker 1: a registered dietitian and a certified personal trainer UM. I
Speaker 1: primarily work with clients who are struggling with eating disorders,
Speaker 1: working on eating disorder recovery UM so I work in
Speaker 1: a virtual private practice, and I also see anyone who
Speaker 1: wants to improve their health and wellness from an intuitive
Speaker 1: eating point of view. So that's the short version of
Speaker 1: what I do. When you mentioned intuitive eating, which we're
Speaker 1: going to touch on that today and kind of diet
Speaker 1: culture versus intuitive eating. And then you know, we see
Speaker 1: all these things online, especially through Instagram. Well that's where
Speaker 1: I get a lot of my content, and then I
Speaker 1: have friends that send me things from TikTok, which I
Speaker 1: want to spend more time there because Lisa or someone
Speaker 1: in Lisa's family said that TikTok is the last happy
Speaker 1: place on the Internet. I completely agree. TikTok is where
Speaker 1: I go when I want social media without the annoying parts.
Speaker 1: It's pure hilarious at least my feed. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. Your your algorithm is full of the funny stuff.
Speaker 1: So okay, tell us what we're talking about today. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, it actually is interesting talking about my personal
Speaker 1: algorithm because I am in such a bubble on Instagram
Speaker 1: of the intuitive eating world in the non diet space
Speaker 1: and all the things that I believe in and how
Speaker 1: I work that I forget that it's kind of a
Speaker 1: new novel thing to a lot of people because diet
Speaker 1: culture so strong, and I see both camps, both camps
Speaker 1: including into DEI Eating, which I very much of a
Speaker 1: part of, going so far to the extremes in terms
Speaker 1: of their messaging, especially online, and I hear from clients
Speaker 1: and appears that kind of both become inaccessible because the
Speaker 1: diet culture group is saying, you know, go on this
Speaker 1: thirty day cleans elimination diet or whatever like crazy thing
Speaker 1: that's not going to actually help you feel better and
Speaker 1: healthier and be sustainable. But then sometimes into it of eating.
Speaker 1: And I talked about this a little bit with Lisa
Speaker 1: about exercise. Sometimes that camp can skirt around the health
Speaker 1: topics so much that people who want to genuinely be
Speaker 1: healthier feel better maybe they need to improve their a
Speaker 1: once or cholesterol or something also get scared of into it,
Speaker 1: of eating, thinking well, that's just totally giving up on health,
Speaker 1: and that's not true. I can see where there is
Speaker 1: the confusion. As a this is not my profession. I
Speaker 1: miss someone who has been a part of both worlds
Speaker 1: and spent many of my like teenagers and adult life
Speaker 1: immersed in diet call turn trying every diet out there
Speaker 1: known to man. And then as I entered into this space,
Speaker 1: you're correct in saying it is very new for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's still foreign to some people where
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this is the first account I've ever
Speaker 1: followed like this. It's like a foreign length you're learning
Speaker 1: a new language. And then it is when you don't
Speaker 1: understand it. That's where there can be a misunderstanding, because
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you just like think you know
Speaker 1: a little bit of Spanish and then you might have
Speaker 1: a conversation with someone that's fluent and then you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what did you just say? And because it gets more
Speaker 1: advanced as you move forward. And so I think where
Speaker 1: the messaging gets caught up, or where people get caught
Speaker 1: up in the messaging, is that a lot of people
Speaker 1: online focus on those first steps, where yes, it is
Speaker 1: about rejecting diet culture and giving yourself permission for all foods,
Speaker 1: and it's that temporary phase of yes, eating more of
Speaker 1: the sweets or whatever it is you've been restricting, and
Speaker 1: then the long term goal is still to feel your
Speaker 1: best and prioritize your health. And so things can be
Speaker 1: kind of maybe abnormal compared to what they'll be long
Speaker 1: term when you first start, and that can drive people away,
Speaker 1: or it can leave professionals never talking about the long
Speaker 1: term because that can seem unattainable. It's so complex, like
Speaker 1: how to how to portray it, because if you talk about, oh,
Speaker 1: but you can still prioritize nutrition, then people might stay
Speaker 1: stuck in the diets if they're only thinking about nutrition.
Speaker 1: I think that some of the stuff that's posted online
Speaker 1: too is to get more views at times, or get
Speaker 1: shares and likes and comments, and to kind of have
Speaker 1: a like a wow factor to it, like oh right,
Speaker 1: without maybe explaining the bigger picture. So since we do
Speaker 1: have a little bit of time here, How would you
Speaker 1: explain the bigger picture? If say you were to click
Speaker 1: on an account where it is a registered dietrician and
Speaker 1: they do mean well and it it is helpful information,
Speaker 1: but you kind of walk away thinking like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: I can just eat like cookies all day long if
Speaker 1: I want to, And that's not what people are saying.
Speaker 1: But again, it's understanding the whole language. And when it's
Speaker 1: like you're trying to shut the door on diet culture,
Speaker 1: it can seem like two extremes of like, don't tell
Speaker 1: someone they can't have French fries. You can have French fries,
Speaker 1: but then you might hear it as so I can
Speaker 1: have French fries all day long, right, and then oh,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna feel bad because that doesn't feel good either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like this sweet spot of knowing that yes, the
Speaker 1: goal long term is understanding. Okay, my body still needs
Speaker 1: nutrients and I need to learn not to care for it.
Speaker 1: You know what I tell people, especially the clients I
Speaker 1: work with, I think that many of them are surprised
Speaker 1: that I even entertain the conversation of weight when it's
Speaker 1: brought up in session. But I think it's important to
Speaker 1: talk about because I can't think of anyone who's never
Speaker 1: thinking about it. And I always say, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to help you go on a restrictive diet
Speaker 1: to lose weight and focus on intentional weight loss. In
Speaker 1: a hypothetical world, let's say we were talking about you
Speaker 1: my clients losing weight. I wouldn't change anything, I was saying,
Speaker 1: because if your body is a decided it doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be at you don't have to intentionally try to
Speaker 1: change anything. If you, big picture want to change your health,
Speaker 1: then it's going to be the same behaviors as big
Speaker 1: picture moving towards intuitive eating, meaning you know, eating a
Speaker 1: wide variety of foods, allowing yourself everything, and tuning into
Speaker 1: your how your body feels so that you're naturally practicing moderation.
Speaker 1: It's going to be moving and exercising in a way
Speaker 1: that feels good and is sustainable, balancing stress, drinking enough water,
Speaker 1: sleeping enough, all these big picture things. And the people
Speaker 1: who are in the diet culture world, well, I was
Speaker 1: going to say, and doing it ethically, but I don't
Speaker 1: think diet cultures ethical, so maybe that's a contradiction. But
Speaker 1: somebody who has less of an intuitive focus but is
Speaker 1: really focused on health. They're not going to be selling
Speaker 1: you those wild ideas that are kind of the click
Speaker 1: faith things. They're going to be doing the basics that
Speaker 1: we kind of already know well. And then I think
Speaker 1: to diet culture wants to sell you an image of like,
Speaker 1: this is the ideal what you should be striving for.
Speaker 1: And what we have to erase is there's all different
Speaker 1: types of bodies. And you said it yourself. If your
Speaker 1: body isn't I don't know if you use the word
Speaker 1: suppose I want to quote you correctly, but if your
Speaker 1: body is not meant to be that size, then you'll
Speaker 1: move towards where maybe your body would like to be.
Speaker 1: I I guess it's just kind of this exception that
Speaker 1: all bodies are different and one size isn't better or
Speaker 1: worse than the other. Yeah. And I also talk about
Speaker 1: intuitive eating as this shift from external to internal, and
Speaker 1: so when you really look at focusing on how you
Speaker 1: feel internally rather than Okay, the goal of pursuing health
Speaker 1: is to get to exercise. But if it's the goal
Speaker 1: of pursuing my health is to feel a certain way internally,
Speaker 1: then you're going to naturally moderate behaviors and prioritize the
Speaker 1: things that feel good, which is going to be a
Speaker 1: wide variety of things, and it's going to be naturally intuitive,
Speaker 1: So that focus on what feels right, even if it
Speaker 1: doesn't look quote unquote right according to the magazines. I
Speaker 1: don't like calling out particular companies, but there are diets
Speaker 1: out there that are disguised as intuitive eating, and I
Speaker 1: see ads all the time. I know now because I'm
Speaker 1: paying attention. But if I wasn't, I would say one
Speaker 1: or two years ago, I would have signed up for
Speaker 1: one of these programs and it would have left me
Speaker 1: probably feeling the same way all the other diets did.
Speaker 1: But the way they market it, it's almost like they
Speaker 1: know that this whole intuitive eating thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: even a lot of registered dietations like people are making
Speaker 1: a shift. They're seeing the shift, so they're following with it,
Speaker 1: and they're smart, so they're marketing in a way where
Speaker 1: it's not a diet. If you google intuitive eating, there
Speaker 1: are plenty of these diet plans that pop up, which
Speaker 1: is scary. So the things that I caution people to
Speaker 1: look for are the kind of extremes that all are
Speaker 1: nothing language. So anything that is telling you to cut
Speaker 1: something out entirely, like you can't eat any x y
Speaker 1: Z food, that's always a red flag. If it's giving
Speaker 1: you a particular timeline, that's a red flag. And I
Speaker 1: would even say that like tracking food is kind of
Speaker 1: a red flag also with the caveat, Like I do
Speaker 1: have some clients track their food, but it's on an
Speaker 1: eating disorder recovery specific app and it's short term, temporary,
Speaker 1: just for me to get to know their patterns. Question
Speaker 1: on that because I have not heard of eating disorder
Speaker 1: specific food tracking app. So can you expand on that
Speaker 1: in case that something someone might be interested in? Sure,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it exists to like use
Speaker 1: on your own without working with a professional. But it's
Speaker 1: called every Record and it's an app that is I
Speaker 1: hate to compare anything to my fitness well, but it's
Speaker 1: logging your food. It doesn't give you calorie counts, it
Speaker 1: doesn't show any sort of metrics. Um. It allows you
Speaker 1: to upload pictures and jot down what you ate as
Speaker 1: well as any thoughts and feelings and urges that came up,
Speaker 1: and log your hunger and fullness. So it's more geared
Speaker 1: towards getting in touch with like everything that goes on
Speaker 1: surrounding the food. And so why as a registered dietestion
Speaker 1: or why would you have a client use a tool
Speaker 1: like that? Good question. I like to have people do
Speaker 1: that in the beginning when I'm just getting to know someone,
Speaker 1: so that our session time isn't spent just going over okay,
Speaker 1: what did you eat and kind of wasting time, but
Speaker 1: I can look back and see their patterns for the week,
Speaker 1: as well as having them dot down hunger and fullness
Speaker 1: to keep track of that and see, Okay, what level
Speaker 1: are you eating too, how are you actually feeling with
Speaker 1: these different meals and is it enough? Are you portioning
Speaker 1: yourself enough food? And then noting their thoughts as well
Speaker 1: is really helpful because sometimes you just don't remember that
Speaker 1: a particular meal was super triggering or made you really stressed,
Speaker 1: or you were worried about X, y Z while you're
Speaker 1: eating with these people. So having those notes just gives
Speaker 1: us a lot to process and talk through in session. Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, So tracking food might be a big
Speaker 1: red flag. And obviously I'll just say this too. If
Speaker 1: you're listening that way, we're speaking to anybody that has
Speaker 1: possible disordered behavior on food or has has had an
Speaker 1: eating disorder, because I do have friends that they use
Speaker 1: tracking apps, but they don't have an unhealthy relationship with
Speaker 1: food or their body. They are genuinely curious about the
Speaker 1: science of their body and like, no, they don't they
Speaker 1: don't have an issue with it, but they like the
Speaker 1: numbers and looking at the protein and the fascination behind
Speaker 1: their you know, blood sugar level, their muscle caught, like
Speaker 1: they draw their blood and they're like, oh, look at this,
Speaker 1: like the the bio hacking type of behavior. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there's so much out there for that. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: intentions really matter, like if you're going to be un
Speaker 1: I was talking to a dietitian friend about this right
Speaker 1: after the holidays, saying, how, you know, I don't own
Speaker 1: a scale, but my in my parents home there's a scale,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, whenever I go home, like
Speaker 1: I'll stand on the scale and I don't even think
Speaker 1: about it. After me, I don't. I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: what the number was last time I weighed myself because
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm like, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of whatever. And she was like yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: If people knew that a dietitian looked at their weight,
Speaker 1: they would be like tabloid news scandal. But it's about
Speaker 1: how you react right and being able to see. So
Speaker 1: I even have some clients who I'll have them log
Speaker 1: their food, and I always say, you know, if you
Speaker 1: don't want to log because it stresses you out to
Speaker 1: look at what you ate, I think that kind of
Speaker 1: says something and it's worth looking into. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you need to log your food, but it's something to
Speaker 1: talk about, just the stress around it. So in terms
Speaker 1: of food logging being a red flag for diets, I
Speaker 1: would say if it's logging that is metric based or
Speaker 1: rules based and kind of used to determine if you're
Speaker 1: following the rules of the plan, so things like points
Speaker 1: or I've seen the sort of traffic light system of
Speaker 1: like red, yellow, green foods, and so if you're logging
Speaker 1: in order to like stay accountable to rules, that is
Speaker 1: very diety. So do you say there's rules with into
Speaker 1: A defating. No, So there are ten principles of into
Speaker 1: A defeating the actual framework, and people can google those.
Speaker 1: I won't go through all of them. You know, when
Speaker 1: I'm helping clients get there. I give guidelines in the
Speaker 1: beginning in terms of how to build a plate and
Speaker 1: make sure that you're covering your base is nutritionally because
Speaker 1: you know, like we're saying, there's a middle ground here
Speaker 1: between into a defeating and diets, like, yes, there are
Speaker 1: things that we need from our food to be nourished,
Speaker 1: healthy human beings. So I like to give guidelines and
Speaker 1: parameters of like what's enough, and what does balance look like,
Speaker 1: and how can incorporate variety, how often to eat things
Speaker 1: like that? And I always say it is not going
Speaker 1: to happen a percent of the time. And if you're
Speaker 1: doing most of the things that you know feel good
Speaker 1: most of the time, then that's kind of where into
Speaker 1: the eating tends to fall, and that's what feels good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never trusted myself, and it took me a long
Speaker 1: time to even honestly trust when I really was full
Speaker 1: or when I really was hungry, because I spent so
Speaker 1: much time in a binge restrict environment, like my body
Speaker 1: just didn't even know. But then once I started to
Speaker 1: practice the principles of intuitive eating, I was able to
Speaker 1: finally have a distinction and no, oh, this is full.
Speaker 1: I can stop now, and it's okay, Like I can
Speaker 1: stop if I get hungry and a little bit, I
Speaker 1: can eat more. Yeah, you know, Lisa and I jokes
Speaker 1: we always use oreos or I always come somehow go
Speaker 1: back to oreos because that was a big no no
Speaker 1: in my pantry. And then now I'm recording this at
Speaker 1: my house right now, and downstairs, I have oreos and
Speaker 1: they have been there for two weeks. There may be
Speaker 1: some days where I have more than others, and there
Speaker 1: maybe some days where I don't have any. But it
Speaker 1: used to be that I would freak out if they
Speaker 1: were there, and I would either eat them all or
Speaker 1: I would have to just throw them away right right,
Speaker 1: And that's just streams again. I like to share if
Speaker 1: I am in this place now and you're feeling like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could never do that or trust myself with these foods,
Speaker 1: and then trust that I would still take care of
Speaker 1: myself and have greens and proteins and other fruits and
Speaker 1: nutrients and fats that my body needs. I am walking
Speaker 1: proof that that can happen. Yeah, And I've seen plenty
Speaker 1: of plenty more people that that happens. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: you know, also it's good to know. It's helpful for
Speaker 1: people to know that there's an in between, right, like, yes,
Speaker 1: you were, You've been at both sides, and you had
Speaker 1: a process of getting there, where like maybe you bought
Speaker 1: the oreos once a month and it was like getting
Speaker 1: better but not quite there. Yeah, where you can have
Speaker 1: them all the time, and so it's something that takes
Speaker 1: time and practice and quote unquote slipping up and coming
Speaker 1: back because that's normal. And that's what's also different from
Speaker 1: the diets, like normalizing the challenge and the fact that
Speaker 1: there is no sticking to something because that's not how
Speaker 1: human bodies are made. If someone were to just be
Speaker 1: curious listening right now of like when you talk about
Speaker 1: building a plate, I mean, and everybody's situation is different,
Speaker 1: but if there was, like in your mind an ideal
Speaker 1: plate to be built, what would be on it for you?
Speaker 1: For me personally, We'll just give your yours as an example,
Speaker 1: because you've you know how to take care of what
Speaker 1: your body need. You mentioned earlier you would help them
Speaker 1: build a plate, So what does that look like? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the things that I think about are the
Speaker 1: three macro nutrients protein, carbon, fat. All three are super important.
Speaker 1: We need all of them. Typically we need more carbs
Speaker 1: than proteins and fats and and fiber, which would be
Speaker 1: a fruit or vegetable is like the optional fourth component there.
Speaker 1: So you know, as an example for myself, I'm someone
Speaker 1: who is okay with eating the same thing days in
Speaker 1: a row. I like leftovers, I like whatever. Like my
Speaker 1: breakfast most days is oatmeal, oats, or carves um. I
Speaker 1: always put peanut butter, almond butter or something as well
Speaker 1: as like cheese, seeds, whatever seeds to have on hand.
Speaker 1: That's giving me fat. I know that I just won't
Speaker 1: be full if I don't have the protein in it
Speaker 1: in it also, so I love the texture of protein
Speaker 1: powder in oatmeal. I think it's really good. So I
Speaker 1: do that. And then fiber I add whatever, like frozen
Speaker 1: fruit that I have on hand, or bananas or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. So that's just an example, but those are
Speaker 1: the main components that I think of combining them in
Speaker 1: any way you can and no looking at the big
Speaker 1: picture of the day. So knowing that, like, okay, if
Speaker 1: today is a day where I'm craving pasta for dinner
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like putting meatballs with it, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a distinct protein source. That's okay. I
Speaker 1: had approaching it my other meals like it's going to
Speaker 1: even out and be enough, and tomorrow I'll have a
Speaker 1: different dinner that's going to have maybe chicken or something.
Speaker 1: There was so many days in my life where if
Speaker 1: I didn't have something green, I thought I had ruined
Speaker 1: my life and the world was ending. But now I
Speaker 1: have days where I don't have anything green, and I
Speaker 1: it doesn't stress me out and I'm able to go
Speaker 1: to bed. But then I know that the next day,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to try to make my
Speaker 1: favorite smoothie and add a few extra greens to it
Speaker 1: because yeah, I didn't have green yesterday. Or I might
Speaker 1: go a few days with no greens, but I'll figure
Speaker 1: out a way to pay attention and work it back in.
Speaker 1: Like I think, if you're feeling like a drastic like
Speaker 1: oh no, and life is over because some diet rule
Speaker 1: was broken, that's when it's we need to pay attention, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the difference with like the intentions and kind
Speaker 1: of being able to look at things and not be
Speaker 1: so thrown off by it. And so you get to
Speaker 1: that place where it becomes intuitive. You just know how
Speaker 1: you feel when you're needing some of that fiber variety,
Speaker 1: you know, the greens or whatever it may be. What
Speaker 1: do you think about the videos that some people put
Speaker 1: up that are what I eat in a day videos?
Speaker 1: I mean, they affect everyone differently. You know, I can
Speaker 1: look at those and say like, oh, there's a new
Speaker 1: lunch idea. Maybe that's helpful. I think they're very dangerous
Speaker 1: because a lot of people look to those as the law,
Speaker 1: and they tend to be the you know, influencers who
Speaker 1: are like going for the very aesthetic like morning routine,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, ideal life, and so I think people
Speaker 1: also have this view of like, oh, if I eat
Speaker 1: like her, then my whole life will be perfect like hers.
Speaker 1: And you don't know, is that everything that that person
Speaker 1: is eating in that day? Did they finish everything that
Speaker 1: they showed in that day? Is that actually what every
Speaker 1: day looks like? Or that's today and then tomorrow is
Speaker 1: going to be completely different because maybe today was restrictive
Speaker 1: and tomorrow they're going to binge And there's just so
Speaker 1: much unknown, and for most people, I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to to recognize that there is that nuance and that
Speaker 1: there's a lot creating the bigger picture, and we just
Speaker 1: look at that one thing and think, okay, like she
Speaker 1: has this body and she eats this way. I have
Speaker 1: to do exactly what's in this like thirty second TikTok video. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me personally, I don't get them at all, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I like them for like you said,
Speaker 1: new ideas of what to eat, and I'm sure some
Speaker 1: people are doing them this way, but it should be
Speaker 1: reframed to be like, hey, here's a lunch idea, like
Speaker 1: here's a breakfast idea. I get it because I've been
Speaker 1: asked before. Hey, I'd love to see what you eat
Speaker 1: in a day, so I could see where people see
Speaker 1: that as oh I should put this content out there.
Speaker 1: I never officially did one, Thank goodness. I did plenty
Speaker 1: of other disordered behaviors that I passed on to a
Speaker 1: lot of my listeners that I feel bad about now
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well you learn. Also, we all
Speaker 1: have different caloric needs. So no matter why your size, okay, well,
Speaker 1: what's also was your activity level that day or is
Speaker 1: your period coming? Like yeah, are you stressed out in life?
Speaker 1: Like what other life circumstances are quote unquote on your plate,
Speaker 1: like you're saying with you know, calling out the diets.
Speaker 1: I don't like to be blaming, because you're right, Like,
Speaker 1: these creators get asked for that content, and it's because
Speaker 1: of this bigger idea, like we were talking about before.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody's body is supposed to look exactly like
Speaker 1: someone else's, but there's that belief that it can. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's what drives people to even ask
Speaker 1: for it in the first place, is like that this
Speaker 1: idea that there is one formula for one image and
Speaker 1: it's achievable to everyone, and that is just not the case.
Speaker 1: And like if people could accept that, if the industry
Speaker 1: could not sell us the lie um, it'd be easier
Speaker 1: to accept, and then there's less demand for it. Because
Speaker 1: I also get frustrated when I see bloggers sharing their
Speaker 1: clothing and posting what size they wear. And I've reached
Speaker 1: out to people actually in like a rage about it
Speaker 1: and asked them, you know, why can't you just say, like,
Speaker 1: it runs big, it runs small, it runs through to size,
Speaker 1: because some fashion bloggers saying they're like a triple extra
Speaker 1: small is not really helpful to anyone, because like we've
Speaker 1: never met, I don't even know if you're taller than
Speaker 1: me or whatever. And I've heard people say that followers
Speaker 1: asked for that. Okay, that I had not thought about that,
Speaker 1: because I do get asked for sizes, but I should
Speaker 1: give more information about my body, probably not my weight,
Speaker 1: but I could give more as to why I'm in
Speaker 1: a small and then that way people have that reference
Speaker 1: and it's not so much like, oh, she's in a small.
Speaker 1: And I always think it's interesting seeing how people share
Speaker 1: clothes compared to shoes, and they'll say like, oh, I
Speaker 1: wore my normal size in shoot, or like I wore
Speaker 1: this is a sneaker. I wore my normal sneaker size,
Speaker 1: or I sized up half a size, which I find helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's very interesting. But yeah, like the food as well,
Speaker 1: just the things people ask for with I guess the
Speaker 1: belief of like magically transforming their life with a green spot,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Well, I feel like Michelle, we could probably
Speaker 1: talk about diet culture and intuitive eating for another like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, but we'll go ahead and wrap here and
Speaker 1: you will be back next Saturday. So where can people
Speaker 1: find you in the meantime. Yeah, so you can find
Speaker 1: me at Michelle Pillow Pitch Nutrition on Instagram, and then
Speaker 1: my website is Michelle pillopitch dot com and pretty much
Speaker 1: everything is linked from there. Yeah, and Pillow Pitches p
Speaker 1: I L l E p i C. H awesome, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thanks so much