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Speaker 1: long edition of the Colin Coward podcast. So we bring

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright on once a month. First thirty minute is

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Speaker 1: be NBA Talk. It's going to be a two parter. Baby,

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Speaker 1: little preamble before I go into Nick Wright on Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens, as reported, have offered him a non

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Speaker 1: exclusive franchise tag he won't like it. He being Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: meaning the Ravens are saying, we like you, but test

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Speaker 1: the market. If somebody makes a big offer, they can match.

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Speaker 1: But the Ravens are rolling the dice thinking there won't

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Speaker 1: be a significant market for Lamar Jackson. Now you all

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Speaker 1: know I like Lamar Jackson dynamic wow qualities when seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent of it starts. Jj Watt went on to

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Speaker 1: social media Twitter and ask the question what am I missing?

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Speaker 1: My response to jj Watt would be, you're not missing anything.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's missing something. Games He's missed ten of the

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Speaker 1: ravens last twenty two games not available. Don't care how

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Speaker 1: talented you are. Last two years, he's been banged up

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Speaker 1: by the end of the year. So I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, I think he's really good. But as the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position has evolved to more mobile, more athletic, more running,

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Speaker 1: smaller quarterbacks, these guys are not all built to play

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years. They're not smaller quarterbacks in vogue, running

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in vogue. I get it. Teams saying listen, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna roll it for four or five years. We're not

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Speaker 1: giving you big guaranteed money from year five to year nine,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes overwhelmingly pocket quarterback gets his money. Josh Allen runs,

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Speaker 1: but he's six six, two fifty. That's why he gets

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Speaker 1: But if you're seeing a slight, if you're seeing as

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Speaker 1: you've been banged up more than once. Lamar Jackson has

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Speaker 1: A lot of people no longer see him as an

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Speaker 1: He's five ten and a half. He waited at two

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Speaker 1: pounds light and three inches short. So I draft him,

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Speaker 1: But two years later I draft another quarterback. If he

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Speaker 1: price guaranteed. So let's start with Daniel Jones. You're in

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Speaker 1: New York four years, one hundred and sixty millions, crazy Colin,

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Speaker 1: But go ahead. Sorry, I went back to Duke where

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Speaker 1: he had an offensive coach, a legend Cutcliff David Cutcliffe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not even two to one. It's like one and a

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Speaker 1: running or throwing fifty seven turnovers fumbles or picks. So

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Speaker 1: Mahomes obviously is the class of the league. Four to one.

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Speaker 1: a worse ratio for you, Colin post rookie year. More

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Speaker 1: then touchdowns thrown. He is Last year was the best

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Speaker 1: And I am shocked that the Giants made this decision.

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Speaker 1: they're like, here's one hundred and sixty million dollars Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: I thought what they would do this year was franchise

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Speaker 1: of information, meaning they'll say, Okay, Daniel, you actually have

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Speaker 1: to play the real position now where it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not just safe layups, run the ball, run you where

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to throw. We're gonna throw a sophisticated

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Speaker 1: you Because now they're in a weird spot where they

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Speaker 1: this this high school offense again. And I'll give a

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Speaker 1: didn't think about this. He said. He thinks that ownership

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Speaker 1: had a relationship with Eli and held on to him

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Speaker 1: it with Tom. We'll worry about the future and the future.

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Speaker 1: you saw today the Bucks cut Donovan Smith cut some

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Speaker 1: other people. They're gonna take their medicine and tear it

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Speaker 1: pretending that they're still contenders Colin two years ago. Drew

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Speaker 1: the CAP's fake. It's not fake. If everyone else gets

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Speaker 1: You know what you'll see that the Saints on their

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Speaker 1: I think the football stuff, he'll be better than last year.

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Speaker 1: But New York is not going to be pushed around

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Speaker 1: by Aaron. They're just not Yeah, and I just this

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Speaker 1: is a good lessons Maybe the wrong word, but there

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Speaker 1: is you people can be as high maintenance as I

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00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: try to be. And I actually like I I think

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to obviously like name names or whatever

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00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: of our colleagues, like industry wide, but I think people

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Speaker 1: know the people that seem to have remained pretty normal

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Speaker 1: people even as the fame and everything has grown, and

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Speaker 1: the people who, in a also somewhat normal way, once

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Speaker 1: they've gotten very famous and very wealthy, have started to

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Speaker 1: act a little differently. And you know what I mean,

435
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: treat people differently. Whatever it is, I think I will

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Speaker 1: name this name in a positive way. It seems to

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Speaker 1: me for my interactions Reverstoy, I've ever held heard that

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Speaker 1: Ernie Johnson Scott van Pelt are two of the nicest

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Speaker 1: people in the media, you know what I mean, that

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00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: treat people well, do all these things, and they're super

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Speaker 1: famous and accomplished. Right, you don't have to do that

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: if you're that level of successful, talented and valuable. But

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00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the moment you stop being quite as valuable and talented, man,

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00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: people remember how they've been treated. What a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass you've been. And there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: like grace, like there's not a lot of and people

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Speaker 1: the Packers seem to be active. Like if I were

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00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: the Jets, I would have paused by the fact that

449
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: the Packers are done with this guy. Yeah, whether we

450
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: trade for him or not, they're done with it. If

451
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: they have more information on him than anybody, they're like,

452
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: we've had our full well, you know what I mean,

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00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: it was good run, but we're done with it. And

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00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: that would be at least a little concerning to me

455
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Speaker 1: because I don't think he's a great player in him.

456
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. Yeah, I don't think

457
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: he's a great player anymore. People keep saying he won

458
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: two MVPs. He did, and then this year he was average,

459
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: not by his standards, by his standards, is the worst

460
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: year of his career. By NFL standards, he was average.

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00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: So very expensive. Oldest quarterback in the league, right, he's

462
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: the oldest. Now Brady's gone, He's got to be old, expensive, old, deteriorating, Yeah,

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00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and a lot to deal with. I don't know, man,

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00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well. I mean Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert,

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00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, They're just bigger, stronger athletes. Lamar Jackson's faster.

466
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Mahomes is more accurate. Burrow is more accurate. I mean,

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00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: it happens to all of us. I'll know it at

468
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: some point. I can see young talented people out there.

469
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Aaron isn't as big as the good ones. Isn't as fast,

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00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: isn't as healthy, isn't as committed. We have to just

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Speaker 1: be honest, Burrow. These guys are like when you watch Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: he is the greatest come from behind quarterback, not by

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Speaker 1: a little. Aaron doesn't have a skill. Burrow now and

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Speaker 1: Mahomes are the best situational quarterbacks period on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen does things that even Mahomes can't do. He's physical,

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Speaker 1: He's the best physical. He's the best physical specimen. It's

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Speaker 1: not a knocks Aaron six one and a half, thirty

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Speaker 1: nine years old, and it would like be if I

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00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: didn't prep for my show. He doesn't commit in the offseason,

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00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: so he's like a ninety two passer rating guy. Now,

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Speaker 1: time before we go to the NBA to talk Lamar

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Speaker 1: for a minute. This whole this is like so fascinating

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00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: on a million levels to me, I am like legitimately shocked.

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00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: They did the non exclusive tag, so the exclusive tag

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: would have been forty five million. He can negotiate with

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Speaker 1: no one else, right, the non exclusive is insulting flatland.

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00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: You can't you can't have At three fifteen Eastern, it

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Speaker 1: come down the wire the Ravens are gonna pay Lamar

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00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Jackson thirty two million dollars. And at three fifty five Eastern,

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00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: it come down the wire that the Giants are gonna

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00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: pay Daniel Jones forty That just can't happen, Like it

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00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: just the I mean, it's just a wild thing. It's

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00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: like hold on the day before Derek Carr got thirty

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00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: seventy five, Gino just got thirty. I get thirty two

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00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: with no extra security. And what people are like, well,

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00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: they want him to go out and test the market.

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: And do I think there might be a little collusion

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00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: going on? Very odd seeing all the tweets within thirty

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00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: minutes of this story, like Falcon drought. Panthers are out.

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00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Raiders are like this. This is a league that values

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00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks so much we overdraft him. Yeah, you give Geno

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00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: one hundred to give dam Jones one sixty. And there's

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00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: a chorus of people like Marjacks. This is a due

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: with him wanting the fully guaranteed deal. Of course does.

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: But what everyone seems he's saying is so the Ravens

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00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: because they can match any offer he gets. Now that's

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00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: risky because you can try to put a poison pill

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00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: on there, you can try to, you know, structure it

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00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: soil targe to the match. But they can match. They

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00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: want him to go out and see what his market

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00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: value is and then they'll match it. I don't understand

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00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: why some people, and I shouldn't. I'm not trying to

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00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: like talk shit on anyone. I was arguing with Bruce

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00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Arton Wild's about this today because they were talking about

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: it in terms to me that act like there are

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00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: not human emotions involved. Yeah, and if and this is

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00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: I've never been in this situation, I wonder And I'm

547
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: not trying to get into your old history, your business,

548
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: but you might have been in something somewhat similar when

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you left ESPN, which was almost like, Okay, you think

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00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: you can go get X amount of dollars, go see

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00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: if you can, and if you can, we'll pay you that.

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00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: But we don't think you can. Well, the moment someone

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00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: says that to you, when you have been the best,

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00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: the thing that has held the ship together for five years,

555
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: it's like, well, when I'm here, we win and we

556
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: scored thirty a game. When I'm not, we're terrible, and

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00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: we lose and score eighteen. And now you're like, go

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: see if the damned Detroit Lions value you more than

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: we will, and then we'll value you exactly as much

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00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: as they do. You're ruining a relationship. Yeah, there's no

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00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: coming back from that. Here's my theory on this. So

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00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: the best agent I've ever had is Nick Cohn. And

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00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: the reason Nick was a great agent of the many reasons.

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00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: He was a former attorney, so he's a great negotiator.

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: And he was a former waiter so he was conciliatory.

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: He had to wait on people, He's incredibly patient, never

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00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: loses his cool. But when your mom's your agent. So

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00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: the reason people treated me well with Nick Kahn network

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00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: executives because he had Kirk Herbstreet because he had blankety

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Speaker 1: blankety blank. You screw me, you're screwing Nick, you're screwing

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: twenty eight high end clients. Lamar's mom has one client.

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00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Part of having an agent isn't the negotiations. It's protection.

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00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a vest and so protection on two levels. Yeah,

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00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: it's not just that they don't want to ruin the

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00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: relationship with the agent. They also when when even in

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00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: our world, certainly in the sports world, negotiations that the

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00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: party that is the agents negotiating for you, the team's

578
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: negotiating for itself. So the agent comes in and says,

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: my guy should make what uh Patrick Mahomes makes, And

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00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: then the team says, well, here's why he's not Patrick Mahomes. Here,

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00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you're saying he's an A plus. We're saying he's an

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00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: A minus. And they tell you all the negatives. In

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00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: our business, it's like, well, actually, you know the ratings,

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00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: they aren't this or aren't that or whatever. But if

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00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: you're negotiating with the guy, you're insulting the guy. You're hurt,

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00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: like it's a I don't they're a good Agents don't

587
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: always tell you all the negative things your employer says

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00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: about why they don't want to pay, just like we're

589
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: trying to get there, you know what I mean. But

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: if it's they protect you because they got to keep

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00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: relateship together. If it if it's negotiating with your family

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: or you, it's like we are they're gonna say, like

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00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: when it comes up, Lamar, we don't really trust you

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00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: as a passers saying that to him, like he's just

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00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: like you're talking to him saying that. It's so it's

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00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation. It's personal, and everybody says it's business

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00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: not personal. Anybody who gives a damn about their career,

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00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: their business is personal. And the way that people show

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00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: you that they value you, there's a lot of ways,

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: but the primary way is compensation. So I've never understood

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00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: this whole thing of like, oh, take emotion out of it.

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: It's all business. I'm I am not a nine to

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Speaker 1: five god. Like if I if I if I punched

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00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: the clock left, there's no emails nothing, you know what

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean. If I no dispect, I kind of think

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00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: this is maybe a happier life. But I was like

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00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: a postal worker, you know what I mean. It's like, hey,

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: I come in I deliver the mail, I go home.

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: You're right, then it's not it's business. But if you

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00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: dedicate your life to something and you really care about it,

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00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: then of course it's personal. Of course, you goddamn right,

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00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: it's personal. And for Lamar to have them say to him,

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00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: we're willing to lose you, and maybe we're not, but

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00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: we will only pay you what someone else who you've

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00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: done nothing for will pay you. That's which is also

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00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: why if I think Lamar's done there, because if again

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00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I get mixed with metaphors comparing myself players, whatever it is.

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00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: But if I think I've done a pretty damn good

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00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: job in my run with Fox, yeah I'm proud of it. Yeah,

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00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: I think you just said it. You just retweeted a thing.

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Speaker 1: The shows are doing well, and I've been I've been

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Speaker 1: the consistent piece of the TV show I've done for

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Speaker 1: a long time, and I work Fox for a very

624
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: very long time. But if at some point, like I

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00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: was like, hey, this is what I think I'm worth,

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Speaker 1: Fox like not even close. We're fifty percent apart, not

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00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: even close. Can't do it. And then Hulu was like,

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Speaker 1: we'll give it to you. And then Fox was like Okay,

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Speaker 1: we will too. I'd be like, well, what the what

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00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: do you mean? These people don't even know me, and

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Speaker 1: doing anything for him, they'll do it. And that's how

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Speaker 1: if any team makes Lamar a real offer, I think

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Speaker 1: threw Detroit out there. That wasn't flippant. I think Detroit

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Speaker 1: he Alabama that he barely played this year? I like that.

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Speaker 1: I'd have that conversation. There's a number of teams that

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Speaker 1: yeah we can get Lamar Jackson. Let's at least have

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Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, I'd be Washington would be top

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