WEBVTT - Episode 66: Mariners 2023 Reliever Grades

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number sixty six of the Marine Layer Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We have our reliever grades for the twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>season short episode today, but we will take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mariner's bullpen and see how they fared.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball Podcast network. Recording this episode here on Wednesday, October eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're listening to this, LAO and I will be

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation, so uh, don't hit us up. We're busy

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<v Speaker 1>looking looking forward to this trip for sure, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that trip, had to make sure we

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<v Speaker 1>had you guys covered and complete our twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>season grades for the Mariners, and today we will finish

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<v Speaker 1>out on the bullpen. But first to start, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>we're having a good time right now. Wonder exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, by the time this is posted and released, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the Rangers play at the garden, so we

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<v Speaker 2>will have been to Madison Square Garden for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in our lives. I would say it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this will come out Friday, We'll have been there Thursday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll have gone there. I've been there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say i've been there before you said you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been.

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<v Speaker 2>I have, Sorry, sorry, you have been. We're getting okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Well I have not, so this will be the first

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I'm looking forward to it, so it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>my first time in the garden. TJ has been Go Rangers.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just put it out there. They won. They won.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're wrong about this when this comes out, then oops,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well, but we went to the Rangers game. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to say we had a blast. And I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>like TJ said, when you're listening to this, we are

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<v Speaker 2>having a good trip. See TV's in a grumpy mood.

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<v Speaker 2>He's saying, don't hit us up. I'm gonna say on

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<v Speaker 2>my end if you still want to talk Mariners, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be on my phone during the trip. If you really

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<v Speaker 2>want to send us something or send me something, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>answer it. I'll response, So hit us up if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Although we will be we will be enjoying our trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we might be a tad bit busy. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's one thing I could guarantee I'm doing by the

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<v Speaker 1>time this podcast episode comes out in a little over

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<v Speaker 1>a week, I'll be drinking dunkin Donuts, which is my

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<v Speaker 1>happy place. I think I will be very what's what's

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<v Speaker 1>the right word for it, contempt satisfied. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be very satisfied with my presence on Friday morning

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<v Speaker 1>when a lot of people are listen listening to this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm gonna have dunk a Donuts in a New

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<v Speaker 1>York City bagel, and there's nothing better than that. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's my flex.

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<v Speaker 2>What do I say, better than that awful establishment of Starbucks,

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<v Speaker 2>which we boycott as we currently sit there's two things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're boycotting Starbucks which always and we're probably sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>boycotting the Alcs at the time of this podcast. Why

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't watching Rangers Astros If we've been at a

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<v Speaker 2>bar at this point and it's on my backs to it,

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<v Speaker 2>I hain'te watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the stand Low, I love it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm not playing on watching it either. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>got to watch a ton of playoffs, but definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>watching that one. It's no, I can't do it unless

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<v Speaker 1>they fight. They almost fought this season that I would

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<v Speaker 1>tune in to watch, but baseball wise, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it. Let's get to our reliever grades

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<v Speaker 1>Lyle throughout the season. Mariner's bullpen another excellent season, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll start off what I think both you and I

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<v Speaker 1>agree was the best reliever in this twenty twenty three season.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Brash, what's your grade?

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Brash gets today. Look, his season was not perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a little bit up and down at times,

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<v Speaker 2>as most relievers would be. But when you put up

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<v Speaker 2>a two twenty seven FIP, when you put up nearly

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen k's per nine, and when you rank fourth among

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<v Speaker 2>all relievers in f war, that is an a Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Brash did everything they could have expected of him and more.

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<v Speaker 1>His expected numbers really jumped all across the board, which

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<v Speaker 1>was nice. We saw his fastball get another gear this

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<v Speaker 1>season as well, which is a nice development for him,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the results really weren't there. His fastball wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a true outpitch. We've highlighted before how his fastball really

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a true elite fastball, even though he throws it hard,

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<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't have elite physical characteristics outside the velocity.

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<v Speaker 1>His slider, though, I mean, really really pops some ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>numbers this season better than it was a season ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're talking about an expected sluggan of under

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<v Speaker 1>two forty an elite x wOBA as well forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>percent with rate on that slider this season and a

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<v Speaker 1>forty four percent strikeout rate. He did get a little

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<v Speaker 1>unlucky this season, really unlucky, especially early in the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Finished the season with a batting average on balls and

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<v Speaker 1>play of about three point eighty. But for a number

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<v Speaker 1>one reliever in this bullpen, maybe you'd want to see

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<v Speaker 1>his stats a little bit better, which is why he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get an A plus. He just gets an A.

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<v Speaker 1>The inconsistencies led to a little bit of an inflation

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<v Speaker 1>of his era. At times you get a little bit wild.

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<v Speaker 1>His strikeout rate dropped month by month as the season

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<v Speaker 1>went along, which you'd want to say that see that

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<v Speaker 1>stay plate towed. But in the end, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth best reliever in baseball by f war and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't ask too much else of Matt Brash if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>So your grade for him was an A, it was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So so a's across the board from Matt Brash. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a great year, super weird. I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>remember this peer of time and I don't know may

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<v Speaker 2>where there were some Mariner fans claiming he should, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, be sent to Tacoma. Yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>real take from several fans across Twitter. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing they didn't do that, because considering he

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<v Speaker 2>was our best reliever, they needed it.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been a bit of a sticky situation

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<v Speaker 1>for Scott Servis. There's one thing I think maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>if he's really going to become an elite, elite, elite

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<v Speaker 1>like Felix Batista level reliever, he was kind of pedestrian

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<v Speaker 1>against lefties this season. Low. I mean, here are these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers against lefties. His strikeout rate was barely above league

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<v Speaker 1>average twenty five point four percent strikeout rate against lefties.

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<v Speaker 1>His walk rate was nearly eleven percent. His FIP was

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half runs higher against lefties than it

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<v Speaker 1>was against righty's. And that all that was with a

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<v Speaker 1>Babbitt that was actually lower against lefties than it was

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<v Speaker 1>against righty's. Just like it doesn't feel quite as confident

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<v Speaker 1>for a dominant reliever to actually not be dominant again,

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<v Speaker 1>and some lefty c's facing that's probably because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a pitch breaking away from lefties. He throws a

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<v Speaker 1>slider in on their hands. He occasionally cork screw one

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<v Speaker 1>like he did with Jose Ramirez. But when you rely

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<v Speaker 1>on your fastball a little bit more against lefties and

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<v Speaker 1>your slider is not quite as strikeout pitch against lefties

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<v Speaker 1>as it is against righty's, that leads to some inconsistencies

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<v Speaker 1>in his stats and eventually leads to smoutings like we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen him have where he doesn't throw strikes or he

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<v Speaker 1>gets hit around a little bit. So I'd say that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that if Matt Brash is going to take

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<v Speaker 1>that next step, that's what he's got to attack.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's all fair. I wonder if those numbers

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties just kind of flatten out next year, in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense of maybe they just correct themselves. Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just lefties have a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 2>edge on Brash, which is possible. But I also wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be shocked if it just kind of gets more even

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<v Speaker 2>here in twenty twenty four. But overall, like we've said

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<v Speaker 2>about all the guys that we give a's to and

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<v Speaker 2>still talk about the downsides with Hornett picking, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a guy that was objectively one of the five

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<v Speaker 2>to ten best relievers in baseball. By again, by four

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<v Speaker 2>he was fourth, case per nine were third among relievers.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's awesome, he is, and he's gonna beating this

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen a long time. So look forward to seeing much

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<v Speaker 2>more Matt Brash. Oh, by the way, Brent Rooker shout

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<v Speaker 2>out for Matt Brash. So Brent, He's been way more

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<v Speaker 2>active on Twitter recently, which is pretty cool, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he started to engage with a lot of fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems like an awesome guy, by the way, Brent Rooker

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<v Speaker 2>of the eighth and a couple of things he said

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<v Speaker 2>this week, Well, he had three tweets that just warmed

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<v Speaker 2>our hearts. Number one his favorite road ballparker, Timo will Park,

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<v Speaker 2>he said in Seattle. He said, he loves it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Number two. Somebody asked, what stats do you

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<v Speaker 2>use to try to evaluate your game? He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>like to use hard hit rate, Chase Ray, Walk Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>like like all these baseball savant numbers. He said. I

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people aren't gonna like to hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is very indicative of my game. And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>howardy you, Brent Rooker. Stand out for the analytics nerds.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say is like, these are the stats I can control,

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<v Speaker 1>Which is the biggest point he tried to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is great. And number three the whole reason

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<v Speaker 2>we bring this up. Somebody said, what's the toughest pitch

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<v Speaker 2>you've Yeah, the toughest pitch you've had to face so

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<v Speaker 2>far in your career or this season, he said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Brash as sweeper. And he said, honestly, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even characterize it as that whatever that guy's throwing should

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<v Speaker 2>be in a whole different stratosphere and a whole different

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<v Speaker 2>stratosphere in terms of a category. So he's getting shout

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<v Speaker 2>outs around the league. All we hear about Matt Brash

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<v Speaker 2>is just how good his stuff is. So shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to you, Matt Brash.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Andres Muno's Reliever Number two. What Great did you give.

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<v Speaker 1>Him a minus. It was close that. When I think

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<v Speaker 1>about this, it could have been worse and it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been better, because if we are it depends how

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<v Speaker 1>you depends how you're grading Andres Munhoz. I graded him

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<v Speaker 1>in the looking not how he performed last season. I

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<v Speaker 1>graded him how he stacked up in this bullpen this year, which,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at his overall numbers were good, his

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<v Speaker 1>era was not right next to his expected era. He

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<v Speaker 1>struck out thirty two percent of the batteries he faced,

0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.840
<v Speaker 1>his FIP was too seven. Those are all things you

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<v Speaker 1>love to see among relievers. With forty innings, twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>strike out rate eighteenth and fifth. So very good season

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<v Speaker 1>for Andre's Munos. If you want to make a case

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<v Speaker 1>that his grade should have been lower, it's the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he was as good as he was this year

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<v Speaker 1>is significantly worse than he was last season. We came

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast and said at the beginning of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>our expectation for Andres Munos is for him to be

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<v Speaker 1>a top five reliever in baseball. He wasn't a top

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<v Speaker 1>five reliever in baseball. I don't really think he was

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<v Speaker 1>close to a top five reliever in baseball this season,

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<v Speaker 1>which stunk. He lost pretty much all effectiveness in his

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<v Speaker 1>slider this season, and yet he's so talented that he

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<v Speaker 1>still managed to put up an a minus season in

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes, and the stats would reflect it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I also gave Munos an a minus. So we're two

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<v Speaker 2>for two on similar grades here. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>for those curious, TJ and I don't tell it. TJ

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<v Speaker 2>and I do not tell each other what our grades

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<v Speaker 2>are of each pitcher before we do these. We like

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<v Speaker 2>it to be kind of a surprise on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>so then we compare notes. But we are two for two.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everything you've outlined is more than fair for

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<v Speaker 2>why he gets a good grade. I think there's also

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to be outlined, which you also talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>for why he was not as good as he was

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<v Speaker 2>a season ago. Along with I'll add one more thing

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<v Speaker 2>that his walk rate was way up. He was walking

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<v Speaker 2>away more guys this year than he was a season ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so that didn't help him, and obviously that led to

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<v Speaker 2>more traffic on the base pads. We saw Munho's get

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<v Speaker 2>into a lot of close calls late in games this

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<v Speaker 2>year when he was trying to close games out, and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of them he blew. A couple of them

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<v Speaker 2>were just very very high pressure situations where it was

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<v Speaker 2>right on the brink and he just barely found a

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<v Speaker 2>way to notch out a save. But yeah, he just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't quite as crisp as he was last season, and

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<v Speaker 2>part of that's because of the walks. Part of that

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<v Speaker 2>was because the slider wasn't as effective, So you'd hope

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<v Speaker 2>some of those things could kind of get fixed in

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<v Speaker 2>the offseason too. Muno's's credit, however, he still pitched the

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<v Speaker 2>way he did, which was very well considering he had

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<v Speaker 2>essentially no spring training most of the first two months

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. He pitched in the first couple series

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<v Speaker 2>and then went on the il for about two months,

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<v Speaker 2>and he didn't really get a shot to adjust to

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<v Speaker 2>the pitch clock either, which I heard him say in

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<v Speaker 2>an interview was a little bit of an adjustment, like

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if you're Andre's Munoz. He didn't pitch a game

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<v Speaker 2>in spring training, so never got to see the pitchclock there,

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<v Speaker 2>pitched in a couple of big league games where he

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<v Speaker 2>got a little bit of experience with it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>between having the lingering foot injury, and also coming back

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<v Speaker 2>and having to adjust to the pitch clock. Having the

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<v Speaker 2>season he did, he deserves some credit for that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be shocked if he totally flushes this next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to put in context of what happened to his

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<v Speaker 1>slider last year, his slider was one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>pitches in baseball. It was a plus twenty run value

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<v Speaker 1>on Baseball SABAN this season plus three. That's a major

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<v Speaker 1>drop off for what we consider an elite elite pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look on another plus side, though, his fastball

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<v Speaker 1>went from sub last year to actually plus this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Improved his fastball with across the board with expected stats,

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<v Speaker 1>expected batting average, expected slugging K percentage, and with percentage,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it paired really well with the sinker

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<v Speaker 1>he added as well, started throwing that a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more to kind of offset the ineffectiveness of his slider

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<v Speaker 1>this season. So an ideal world next year, he has

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<v Speaker 1>that sinker, which graded out positively, he has the fastball,

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<v Speaker 1>which was improving in twenty twenty three, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>a slider that hopefully regains eighty percent of its twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two value. That would make Andres Munos that would

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<v Speaker 1>vault him back into a top five reliever spot. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the level we hold andres Muno sat and when

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't hit it, he gets dinged for it because

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<v Speaker 1>we know he's better than being outside the top five.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine if he has all three of those

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<v Speaker 2>pitches working in full force next year, if his fastball

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<v Speaker 2>stays as good, if his sinker's days as good, Andy

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<v Speaker 2>gets his slider back, what does that Andre's Munyos look like.

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<v Speaker 1>It eliminates most of the the damage risk against him,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you throw that slider more, you might put

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<v Speaker 1>a bat on it, but you're not doing any damage

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<v Speaker 1>with that swing. If you're gonna have success against Munos,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be all luck based, because you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>his slider's on, you're not hitting that. When he's pumping

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<v Speaker 1>one oh one with that fastball and it said it's peak,

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<v Speaker 1>you're it's really hard to barrel up one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>one mile an hour fastballs. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's throwing a ninety eight mile an hour tailing

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<v Speaker 1>sinker off the outside corner to the lefties, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're really doing much damage with that either.

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<v Speaker 1>What what do you plan on hitting.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be one tough dude to hit, not that

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<v Speaker 2>he's not already, but if he gets that slider back

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<v Speaker 2>next year and get some of this command back a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, we're talking about a guy who can be

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<v Speaker 2>the best reliever in baseball, the number one relieve in

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<v Speaker 2>baseball if he does all those things, because he is

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<v Speaker 1>So justin Topa, Yeah, justin Topa. What's your grade?

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<v Speaker 2>Topa gets an Ay. We're talking about a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>started the year in the minor leagues and comes season's end,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a real argument, which we made on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast that he was the best reliever among Mariners

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.879
<v Speaker 2>bullpen arms this year. There's a fair argument for Brash.

0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I think there's also a fair fair argument for Topa too.

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<v Speaker 2>As a result, both those guys get A's two sixty

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.679
<v Speaker 2>one ERA. For Topa two ninety three XCRA got a

0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.200
<v Speaker 2>ton of ground balls. That sinker was deadly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about a guy that was like

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<v Speaker 2>an earthworm in terms of not giving up any hard

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.320
<v Speaker 2>contact or anything in the air. Ninety fourth percentile and

0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 2>ground ball rate. He was also ninety seven percentile in

0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.359
<v Speaker 2>barrel percentage. So nobody hit him hard, nobody put it

0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.880
<v Speaker 2>in the air against him, and he had a two

0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.760
<v Speaker 2>sixty one ERA for the year. What a guy the

0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Mariners found in that Brewers trade. Yeah, he gets an A.

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<v Speaker 1>I give him an A two. You get an A

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember who they traded him, traded for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Who the Mariners gave up, Yeah it was Joseph Fernandez.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, good, So you get an eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, I'm not a casual.

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<v Speaker 1>When you can get this kind of production trading Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Hernandez Away, you're gonna take it. You're gonna take it

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<v Speaker 1>any day of the week. Limiting damage. Not again, not

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<v Speaker 1>an elite strikeout guy, but when you talk about getting

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<v Speaker 1>soft contact and ground balls with the top tier of baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what Justin Topa did. This bullpen outside

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of Matt Brash really became a sinker bullpen, limiting damage,

0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.719
<v Speaker 1>limiting hard contact, limiting home runs, things that will crush

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you as a bullpen. And nobody epitomized that more than

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Topa. When you scan, when I scan through these

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<v Speaker 1>relievers when we're doing our grades. The Mariners like having

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<v Speaker 1>guys who are just elite at something. All these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are elite at something. For example, Justin Topa was elite

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<v Speaker 1>at for his expected ra was elite, but he was

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.840
<v Speaker 1>also elite at limiting barrels. He was elite at generating

0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 1>ground balls. He was not elite at getting whips. He

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.720
<v Speaker 1>was not elite at getting chases. But that's fine because

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he had other elite traits. And when you mishmash all

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.199
<v Speaker 1>these mixed elite traits together it sometimes spits out a

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty good bullpen. And Justin Topol is just the start,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll get into the other guys of what a

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<v Speaker 1>unique and good bullpen is from guys that were on

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<v Speaker 1>the baseball scrap heat.

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<v Speaker 2>It is interesting how this Mariner's bullpen has evolved, because

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<v Speaker 2>three years in a row they've been a great bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>But you even look at the difference in arsenals between

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<v Speaker 2>last year and this year. The twenty twenty two bullpen,

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<v Speaker 2>they were so slider heavy. Munho's big slider, brash, big slider,

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Seawalt great slider. I mean these are all sweepers. I

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 2>mean Seawalts especially was a sweeper. Penn Murphy big sweeper.

0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 2>All these guys in twenty twenty two were throwing at

0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Matt besta big sweeper. But then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to twenty twenty three and you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Munho's a sinker, you look at Topa's sinker. You look

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<v Speaker 2>at a bunch of these guys that, like you were mentioning,

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<v Speaker 2>were sinker heavy. Yeah, to more ground balls, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were just as effective, if not more effective. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>how it's evolved, but it's evolved in a very good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Gabe Spire, well, now, if I'm talking about elite trades,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got him too. But first, what's your grade for him?

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<v Speaker 2>I gave Gabe Spire a B plus and it was close.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the era for Spire as a whole at

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<v Speaker 2>three seven nine knocked it down a little bit because

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<v Speaker 2>that is that is higher than the guys we were

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<v Speaker 2>giving a's and A minuses two along with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>Spire didn't have a great September four fit the era

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<v Speaker 2>in the month of September when they really needed them.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a guy that did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things really well, and I'll let you get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I said elite traits, right, and we just highlighted Topa's like, oh, well,

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Topa's elite traits. He's not elite at getting chases or whiffs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who was one hundred percentile and chase rate,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe Spire. You know who is seventy seventh percentile in

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<v Speaker 1>whiff rate, Gabe Spire. What about strikeout rate? Eighty ninth percentile?

0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.800
<v Speaker 1>What about on top walk rate? On top of that

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two percent Gabe Spire led every pitcher in Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>at a minimum of fifty innings pitched. In first pick

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.720
<v Speaker 1>strike percentage, I think it was a little over seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six percent. Kirby, by the way, George Kirby, Shocker among

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.440
<v Speaker 1>all qualified pitchers, was first in that category as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk about what made Gabe spire special. Throwing a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of strikes, getting a ton of whiffs at a

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<v Speaker 1>good rate, getting a lot of guys to chase, getting

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<v Speaker 1>his strikeouts. I mean, you claim this guy off of Waivers,

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.119
<v Speaker 1>comes into your bullpen and strikes out twenty nine percent

0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.720
<v Speaker 1>of his batters while walking just five percent. By the way,

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>among relievers in strikeout minus walk rate, he was only

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<v Speaker 1>behind Matt Brash and the Mariners bullpen, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth in baseball. That's another guy who you find traits

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that work in your bullpen and insert him in and

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 1>he works out, and that's why he gets a B plus.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I would call Gabeespier the chase rate king

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this year because he was that one

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>hundredth percentile. He got guys to chase pitches, which was awesome. Yeah,

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Zra was a little high, but you know what, his

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>x FIP was a lot better than his ra so

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 2>some of the underlying numbers were better. And you mentioned it.

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>He struck a bunch of guys out. The Mariners didn't

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>have any lefties in the bullpen in twenty twenty two,

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and to start twenty twenty three on opening night, they

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any lefties either. Now they do. In fact,

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.200
<v Speaker 2>they've got two of them. Both of them are really effective,

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>one of them being Gabe Spire, who got a ton

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>of guys to swing and had a really, really good year.

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this feels like a profile that can sustain.

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Last thing on Spire for me finding something with Gabe Spire,

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.439
<v Speaker 1>not just some of the results he had, but his

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>fastball ended up being sneaky good. I didn't even realize

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.919
<v Speaker 1>so good a fastballs this year. At the end, the

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>results are a one twenty eight average against and a

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>two thirty one slugging against. His heater that averaged ninety

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour and was his primary strike, throwing

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 1>pitch thirty five percent with rate on that pitch. Some

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>elite traits right there.

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Really elite traits. Again. Another way, this bullpen's evolved. No

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>lefties in twenty twenty two, they had two good ones

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.959
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three. Speaking a good lefties, let's get

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 2>to the second South pond, this Marinus twelve pen. Taylor

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>saw Sato too much, sauce. What do you got for?

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>What do you got for Taylor's grade?

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>He gets a B from me another guy. There's some

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.919
<v Speaker 1>elite traits here. Taylor saw Sato this season was elite

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>at limiting hard contact ninety fourth percentile and average exit

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>velocity of this season. Didn't allow barrels, didn't allowed hard

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>hit baseballs, got a ton of ground balls, had good

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>extension as well. Ended the season with a three to

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>five nine ERA, probably a little high for a high

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:06.640
<v Speaker 1>end reliever. Only racked up point two fan grafts wins

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>above replacement. They cleaned him off of waivers from the Mets. Again,

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>when you can get results like this from waiver claims

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and they end up being a very crucial part of

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>your bullpen and serving a role like Sausado did where

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>he comes in, he limits hard contact and he gets

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of ground balls, and in the end, he

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>was the sixth reliever in the bullpen this season. When

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Seawall was in it, he was the sixth guy. And

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you have a six guy generating all these ground balls

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and limiting all this hard contact and ends up working

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>out pretty well and you earn yourself a good grade.

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I gave him a B plus, so I went a

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>little bit higher. And some of his expected stats were

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>not great, but you just look at his Baseball savon

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 2>page and for some of the stuff you just outlined

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the way he wouldn't give up hard contact, the way

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>he got so many groundballs, so impressive. Again, picked up

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 2>from the Mets, started into Koma, him, Topa, and Spire

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 2>all started the year in Tacoma, and all three of

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>these guys became very valuable and reliable bullpen pieces. For Sasato, yeah,

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I gave him a B plus. I think he earned it.

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>There was so much of his profile that played so

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>well into the Mariner's strengths. Again, for a guy that

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of ground balls the way Topa did

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and limited hard contact benefit is huge for the Mariners.

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I think there's ways he can still get better. I think,

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>similar to Andre's Muno, Sasato could cut his walks down

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and that's something that maybe didn't give

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 2>him the A grade or a minus grade is there

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 2>would be some start outings here and there, I should

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>say where Sasato would come in. He just wouldn't really

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>have it with the command and sometimes Scott had to

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 2>go out there and yank him early and leave traffic

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>on the basis. But look, no reliever's perfect. And yeah,

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I think Salsato had a great year. Another guy with

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>a profile that plays for a long period of times.

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>So I think that people have got to be pretty

0:26:58.520 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>happy with what he did this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Good friend of the podcast, happy to have simply seattle

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<v Speaker 1>along for the ride. Okay, final reliever, Isaiah Campbell. What's

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>your grade?

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Another'd B plus. I think there's things that Campbell can

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>certainly work on, like some of these relievers. Another guy

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 2>who probably walked a few too many batters, but there

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of things he did really well. For

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a guy that became very dependable as the year progressed,

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 2>nobody really hit his slider very well. You're talking about

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>a guy that gave up a one thirty seven batting

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>average against that pitch, get a two to eighty three er.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>He was punching out ten batters per nine. That's a

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty good profile for a reliever. So for a guy

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>that was making his inaugural season in the show and

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>was called upon late and started to get a bigger

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and bigger role as time went on, I was pretty

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>impressed with what Isaiah Campbell did.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>It was fun to see his slider really develop into

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe not an elite elite pitch, but he ended up

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>with a plus six run value and hitters hit just

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>one thirty seven and slugged one fifty seven on his slider.

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>What I thought was interesting about the balance of it

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>is that he didn't get a ton of whiffs on it.

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>It was under thirty percent, and usually an elite slider

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at a Matt Brash level like forty eight percent.

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>That was not Campbell's case, but he didn't let many

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>guys reach by swinging at a slider. For guy who

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't have many expectations coming into this year, to come

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>into this Mariner's bullpen and have a two eight three

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>era and you know, just a third of fangrafts wins

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>above a replacement, you'll take it. He's he is the

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>last guy in the bullpen and probably the last guy

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>in the bullpen next season as well. For however they

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>add to this this bullpen. But you know, when you

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>have you throw ninety five and you have ninety first

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>percentile spin on your fastball and there's a little bit

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>of growth in that profile as well, I think you'll

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>take that alongside the slider, which got good results this year,

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and he got more consistent as the season came along.

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>He had some outings where he looked really, really really

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>good down the stretch, and a guy like the marriage

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>could rely upon if they needed to in a higher

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>leverage situation. So your grade for him was, Man, I'm

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna roll with this B B.

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you gave Campbell a bee, I gave him

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>B plus. I don't think he's gonna be the last

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>guy in the bullpen, by the way, because so just

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to be clear, we're highlighting the main six relievers that

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners use this year. There will be a few

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 2>more guys in the bullpen than that we decided with this, okay,

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>like Trent Thornton, Edward Bizardo, dominic Leone, even Devin sweet

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 2>tyad Cock. Oh, he probably gets like a D really

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>all right, maybe what are you giving him? Maybe higher? No?

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to give him a lower

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>grade than that.

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean he's probably like he wasn't he wasn't

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>very good. But I can't put him on the Colton

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Wong aj Pollock level quite.

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 1>But well, the way you were talking sometimes close.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I I thought Barroa should have been on the roster.

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>But that's just me. Anyway, We're not gonna give every

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>single reliever that pitched for the Mariners this year a

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>grade like again, like even even though there was guys

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that ended the year on the team like the Thornton's

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>or Bizardo's or the Devin Sweet or the ty Id

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Cocks that pitched in summer. Yeah, we're not gonna get

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>all those guys a grade because these were the main six.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>So of the main six, would Campbell be the last?

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Probably at least right now. But I don't think he's

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna be the last guy in the bullpen next year

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>unless they really go add some pieces that just blow

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you away. I think I'll have a decent role.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Is if Burrow is in the bullpen, did you put

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Barrow over.

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Him, not to start, but maybe by by mid season? Yeah,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>or I mean depending how good on how good he looks. Yeah,

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>so that would leave somebody else. Maybe Campbell's not the

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>last guy. Again, I think Campbell was pretty good and

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 2>if he keeps going better, he might get used in

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>higher leverage.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Paul Sewald, by the way, got an A for me

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and he's doing great.

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he'd get an A form me too. Guy

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>was striking out twelve for nine in Seattle and he

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>had a sub three e er. He was he was awesome.

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>We love Paul Seawold.

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Overall, though, good season for the Mariners bullpen and we

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>think about these three contending seasons fifty four and a

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>half percent, by the way, three different bullpens, three different structures,

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>three different philosophies, three different groups of guys, and yet

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>three three good results for the Mariners, three seasons in

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a row. And based off of this, we're gonna expect

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>another good unit next season.

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Whoever they bring in before the start of next year,

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>just pay attention because you never know who's gonna be

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>a high leverage arm in this bullpen. I remember when

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners traded for Justin Topa. We talked about it

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 2>here on the podcast. It was a story and we said,

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>circle all these names, remember all these names, because you

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know which one of these guys is going to

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 2>be a high leverage guy. Here we sit in October

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and we say, oh, yeah, Justin Topa, he might have

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 2>been the Mariner's best reliever this year.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Think about it, like Isaiah Campbell was the highest touted

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of any of these guys in this bullpen. Matt Brash,

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>an unknown pitching prospect from Niagara Andres Munios was a

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>throw in in the In the the Austin, Nola trade,

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Justin Topa traded for a minor league believer I think

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>technically had his rookie eligibility last year at age twenty nine.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Gabe Spier was claimed off of waivers. Taylor Sausato also

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>claimed off of waivers, and Isaiah Campbell was a second

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>round picker.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 2>See he was like a comp pick in the second

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>round or something like that.

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, so he was the highest profile of all

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>of them. It doesn't matter the profile. You find something

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you like. You find those elite traits like the Mariners

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>have had, you stick them in the bullpen and good

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>things happen.

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Keep it rolling. If the Mariners can keep putting out

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>bullpens like this every year, they're gonna have an advantage

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time. So keep it rolling. Nobody's

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>complaining over here. Yeah, so short show today.

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Huh Yeah, I'm not complaining again. We're on vacation right now,

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure. I'm sure we're having a blast. So

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys are having a blast while listening

0:33:58.600 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>to this as well.

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 2>That's our very short speak. Your mind is, we're on

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 2>vacation and it's probably a bunch of fun. So there

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>we go. We can. I'm sure we'll fill in more

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>when We have our next speak your Mind when we're

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 2>actually back from the trip and can recap what actually happened,

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>rather than kind of guessing what happened while we're sitting here,

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>but also half knowing because we have a bunch of

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff planned out. So yeah, that's our speak your Mind.

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<v Speaker 2>We're enjoying vacation, and hopefully you guys are enjoying your

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>time too, doing whatever might doing whatever you might be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that we'll just about wrap it up and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get back to our trip. I guess, so that

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<v Speaker 2>wraps it up. That'll just about wrap up this edition

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