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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the Clay,

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck this.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Buck, I was listening and reading about that argument.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to be close.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be at least six '

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Speaker 3: three that they cannot use these statutes, and it may

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Speaker 3: go all the way out to potentially some of the

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Speaker 3: liberal justices as well, who have evinced a great deal

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Speaker 3: of skepticism.

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Speaker 2: Also, we'll get Julie Kelly's read Have you seen this?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think if they were to go seven

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Speaker 3: to or something in that magnitude to strike this down,

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Speaker 3: it would be a huge blow to Jack Smith and

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Speaker 3: all of the Democrats that have tried to use this

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Speaker 3: January sixth statute.

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Speaker 4: Well, I also think that it goes into a larger framework,

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Speaker 4: a bigger it's evidence in a bigger trial if you will.

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Speaker 4: That how many times can they try to use the

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Speaker 4: law against Trump and they have to get slapped down?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? You look at all the

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Speaker 4: different prosecutors, all the different efforts to destroy Trump that

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Speaker 4: we are finding the system itself is saying is outrageous,

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Speaker 4: meaning they've tried to abuse the system to destroy Trump,

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Speaker 4: and then people have had to step in at the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court level, for example, and say, guys, what are

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Speaker 4: you doing. That's not constitutional, that's not lawful.

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Speaker 2: And the best.

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Speaker 4: Example is the nine to zero of what Colorado was

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Speaker 4: trying to do. And then Maine dabbled in for a

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Speaker 4: second of removing Trump from the ballot. To be very clear,

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Speaker 4: the most left wing justices I think in the history

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Speaker 4: of the Supreme Court, okay, and certainly the most among

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Speaker 4: the most anti Trump judges you'll find anywhere, went along

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Speaker 4: with the majority and that they said, guys, you can't

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Speaker 4: just say we think he did a thing, but it

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Speaker 4: hasn't been proven in court, and we're going to remove

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Speaker 4: him from the ballot and he can't be president. He

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Speaker 4: can't do that, right, I mean, you're effectively overriding federal elections. Clay.

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Speaker 4: If this happens now, to your point about the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court argument this morning, if that gets struck down, they

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Speaker 4: will have abused another statute to pile up against not

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Speaker 4: just Trump but his supporters. Their abuse isn't just a

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Speaker 4: matter of opinion. Their abuse of the law is becoming

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Speaker 4: increasingly a matter of fact over and over again.

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Speaker 3: And this is also important. They are trying now. This

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Speaker 3: has just happened. The prosecutors have filed emotion to hold

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Speaker 3: Trump in contempt for violating the gag order that was

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Speaker 3: put on place in place for him in the Manhattan

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Speaker 3: criminal trial. Trump has already weighed in this morning, and

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Speaker 3: I listened and I was like, wow, this is what

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Speaker 3: he said outside of the courtroom as we were as

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Speaker 3: he entered this morning.

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Speaker 2: So this is a couple of hours ago. I think. Now, listen,

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Speaker 2: we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case.

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Speaker 5: He's totally conflicted. But this is a trial that should

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Speaker 5: never happened or should have been thrown out a long

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Speaker 6: If you look at Jonathan Terry, Andy McCarthy, all great

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Speaker 6: legal scholars, there's not one that we've been able to

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Speaker 6: find that said this should be a trial I should

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Speaker 6: be right now in Pennsylvania and far in many other states.

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Speaker 2: North Camp lad judge campaigning.

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Speaker 5: This is all coming from the bit White House. Because

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Speaker 5: the guy can't put two sentences together, you can't campaign.

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Speaker 5: We neede to using this in order to try and

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Speaker 5: win an election, and it's not working that way. It's

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Speaker 5: working the opposite way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that is Trump this morning. He also posted

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Speaker 3: on truth right before he went into the courtroom buck

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Speaker 3: this conflicted Trump hating judge won't let me respond to

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Speaker 3: people that are on TV lying and spewing hate all

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Speaker 3: day long. He's running roughshod over my lawyers and legal team.

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Speaker 3: The New York system of quotation marks justice is being

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Speaker 3: decimated by critics.

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Speaker 2: From all over the world.

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Speaker 3: I want to speak, or at least be able to respond.

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Speaker 3: Election interference, rigged, unconstitutional trial. Take off the gag order now.

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Speaker 3: But here's my question for you. Are they gonna put

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Speaker 2: I think Trump may want it to happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is there are some parts of this that

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Speaker 4: are legal analysis and parts of this that become very

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Speaker 4: I know we get this question all the time, and

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Speaker 4: it's funny because I don't know anybody who has an

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Speaker 2: We start to ask, get this years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been looking at this for a long time now.

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Speaker 4: There is precedent for you know, taking a taking a

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Speaker 4: person and putting them in I think they call it

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Speaker 4: administrative administrative segregation where you know, for example, if if

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Speaker 3: The protective custody basically the other members of the of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and and you could do something like that, but

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Speaker 4: you would have to have secret Service, like I think

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Speaker 4: Trump might. This is I understand, this is crazy. Can

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Speaker 4: I just preface this. I know what we're saying here

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Speaker 4: is crazy, but we're in a crazy time everyone. I

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Speaker 4: think there's a situation where maybe they would because if

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Speaker 4: they hold them in contempt, what it's going to be

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Speaker 4: forty eight hours or something, right.

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Speaker 2: I thinet him in cuffs and they walk, they purple walk.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's the question.

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Speaker 4: They want to break, the seal they want to establish

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Speaker 4: just like remember the rag trial was the first one

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Speaker 4: because yeah, it was flimsy, but they knew that there

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Speaker 4: or stopped in New York, so they wanted to set

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Speaker 4: the precedent, and all the omens came in. Clay, I

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Speaker 4: think they could put him. I think they think, I'll

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Speaker 4: put it that way. They think they could end up

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Speaker 4: putting him in an administrative sec By the way, if

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Speaker 4: let us know if you think there is some precedent.

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Speaker 4: My sense is they would have to shut down like

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Speaker 4: to be Secret Service there to protect him. But he'd

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Speaker 4: They can't I don't think that. I mean that the

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Speaker 4: Service protection. They can't do that, Okay, So that leads

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Speaker 4: to that, which is crazy. There aren't a lot of

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Speaker 4: precedents for this this. Okay, there's no president, there's no

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are precedents for famous people being held

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Speaker 4: Never a former and likely future president of the United States. Though,

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Speaker 3: Then, as a part of that, is this Trump as

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Speaker 3: I've used this analogy because I remember growing up watching it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Braer Rabbit at all? Buck? Do you

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Speaker 2: remember the Braer Rabbit stories? No?

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Speaker 4: Ok, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what percentage of people out there will

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Speaker 3: remember this. I'm in Georgia, by the way, which is

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Speaker 3: where I think that Joel Chandler Harris Braer Rabbit stories originated.

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Speaker 3: They were later made into cartoons, all this stuff Breer Rabbit.

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Speaker 3: And before they decided that Splash Mountain was racist at

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Speaker 3: Disney World, Breer Rabbit was the star.

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Speaker 2: Of Splash Mountain. If any of you have been on

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Speaker 2: the Splash Mountain.

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Speaker 3: Ride at Disney, okay, Breer Rabbit would all say, don't

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Speaker 3: throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do, don't

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Speaker 3: throw me in the briar patch. Is Donald Trump daring

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Speaker 3: march hand this judge as well as the larger Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party apparatus to put him in jail because in the

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Speaker 3: same way that the mugshot was a huge benefit to Trump,

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Speaker 3: is him getting put in jail for contempt of court

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Speaker 3: a huge political win for him, Leave aside the legal

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Speaker 3: for right now.

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Speaker 4: I do think so, especially especially on this, because even

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Speaker 4: people who are casual observers of the news, which is

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Speaker 4: most people, because most people are you know, we have

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Speaker 4: a hyper attuned and informed audience most of America. As

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Speaker 4: much as I love America, people have other things that

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Speaker 4: don't watch the news, even if you or watch much

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Speaker 4: of the news, and they get their news from bad

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Speaker 4: places in a lot in a lot of context too.

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Speaker 4: I think that the that Donald Trump in a cell,

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Speaker 4: the reason being he was held in contempt by a judge,

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Speaker 4: the reason being he's speaking out against a trial that

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Speaker 4: has to do with a business administrative accounting error. That's

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Speaker 4: all this is. That is what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 4: I think that any normal person who has not been

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Speaker 4: I think that's why the polls are all showing what

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Speaker 4: they're showing right now. Clay, that's that's the truth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is why I mean, look you things

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Speaker 3: a good point. What percentage of people do you think

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I think it's almost impossible that you

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Speaker 3: you're not paying attention to the.

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Speaker 2: News on a day to day basis.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think if you can name the current

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Speaker 4: vice president, you've seen the mugshot photo, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like, I think if you have.

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Speaker 3: Photo, then they can be the vice president. I think

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Speaker 3: it's almost one hundred percent of voters would have seen

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Speaker 3: that photo. My point is almost one hundred percent of voters.

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Speaker 3: voters will see if Trump is arrested. They may not

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Speaker 3: pay attention to the results of the trial, they may

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Speaker 3: we are. And to me, I think it's highly likely

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Speaker 3: that it would work to his favor. And I wonder

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Speaker 3: how much political calculus in the same way we've talked

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Speaker 3: for a long time now, ever since the raid on

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Speaker 3: mar Lago in what August of twenty two, we have

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Speaker 3: said there's a two tier story here, the legal and

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Speaker 3: the political, and they're intertwined in a way that we've

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Speaker 3: never seen before. Something can be smart legally and really

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Speaker 4: And also I think something to remember about where the

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Speaker 4: Democrats are and the anti Trump machinery. They thought all

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Speaker 4: along that these trials, that these prosecutions would destroy Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: They have no choice but to see all of this through,

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Speaker 4: to withdraw all of it at this point, or to

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Speaker 4: withdraw all the efforts to say, all right, you know

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Speaker 4: the elections coming up, we're going to defer. Delay would

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Speaker 4: calcula calculation error. So they have to go all the

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Speaker 3: to be a jury in New York City that, just

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Speaker 3: based on the numbers, is likely to be made up

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Speaker 3: of Trump hay And I think I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: crazy to think that there are going to be people

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Speaker 3: that want to see Trump put in prison for the

442
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Speaker 3: rest of his life that are a part of this

443
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Speaker 3: jury pool. Now, maybe some of them will say, hey,

444
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Speaker 3: you know what, I can't fairly and impartially render justice.

445
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 3: We already saw that happen a little bit, they'll step out.

446
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: I think there's other people that will be happy to

447
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: be on this jury because they want to hold Trump responsible.

448
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: They want to be the deciders.

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00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 3: And I just I look at this and I say, fundamentally,

450
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Speaker 3: we can have one hundred and fifty million people render

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Speaker 3: a verdict on Trump's behavior, on Trump's whether or not

452
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Speaker 3: he's able to be president, or we can have twelve

453
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Speaker 3: in a incredibly biased jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: And to me, the one hundred and fifty million is

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Speaker 2: the answer.

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Speaker 3: No matter how much you trust juries, do you want

457
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Speaker 3: twelve people trying to decide who can be president? Or

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Speaker 3: do you want one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 4: It does go to the ultimate point. I think about

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Speaker 4: the mental instability of many of the Democrats that are

461
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 4: pushing for this, or the the emotional and ideological surrender

462
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 4: that they've had. Right, they just whatever the anti trump

463
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: Ism demands they will go for. And the fact that

464
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg has turned that one preposterous charge it's worth.

465
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Speaker 4: It's worth everybody knowing you or keeping this in mind.

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Speaker 4: I think it's thirty four right, it's a thirty four

467
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: felony count indictment. It was one thing we're talking about,

468
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: and he's charging it thirty four times, which is specifically

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Speaker 4: against prosecutorial guidelines. You're not supposed to you know, if

470
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Speaker 4: someone hands you drugs and then you say, hold on

471
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Speaker 4: time my shoe, and you hand it back to them,

472
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 4: and then they hand the drugs back to you. You know,

473
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 4: you don't charge these as separate drug possession crimes.

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Speaker 2: Right.

475
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Speaker 4: They're not supposed to do that because it's obviously unjust.

476
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 4: That's exactly what Alvin Bragg is doing. He's saying, oh, well,

477
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Speaker 4: they like Xerox did or they emailed it or whatever

478
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 4: that every time we're going to charge that as an

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Speaker 4: additional felony. And you have to wonder that any Democrat

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Speaker 4: who supports the prosecution going on in New York City

481
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Speaker 4: is also so telling you that in America today, it

482
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Speaker 4: would be more just not preferable for you know what

483
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Speaker 4: you think the politics of the country should be. It

484
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 4: would be more just for Donald Trump to be in

485
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Speaker 4: prison for years and not be able to run, although

486
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Speaker 4: I think he would still run from prison. That's a

487
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: whole other conversation. That's insane. But it'd be more just

488
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 4: for Donald Trump to sit in a prison cell over

489
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: a clerical error, over a Stormy Daniel's payoff or whatever

490
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 4: hush money or whatever they're calling it. Then it would

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Speaker 4: just allow the American people to say, do I or

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Speaker 4: do I not want Donald Trump to be president for

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Speaker 4: four more years? That's it. That's insane. I mean, this

494
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Speaker 4: is this is the decision that we're being faced with

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Speaker 4: as a country, or rather the decision they want to

496
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Speaker 4: deny us as a country based upon what exactly and

497
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Speaker 4: the moment you dig into a clay. It's all just

498
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: so flimsy and underhanded.

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent what it is.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder how many people that are in general

501
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: not paying that much attention, ultimately coming to that same conclusion.

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00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: If the guy's so bad, how come they can't just

503
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: let everybody go vote. Let the American people decide whether

504
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Speaker 3: Trump is able to or not able to be the

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Speaker 3: next president of the United States. That's how democracy works.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four The Most Important Tier in

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Speaker 1: Politics with Clay Travis and Bock Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, when we finished the show, there had been two

509
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: jurors removed from the Trump jury, and I said that

510
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: it felt like things were spiraling out of control there.

511
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: Then after we got off the air, they had a

512
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: rapid level of success and they managed the seat.

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Speaker 2: All of the new jur jury here.

514
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Speaker 3: So we now have I believe the number is twelve

515
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: jurors seated one alternate in the Trump criminal trial. They

516
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: are on track, they say, to start this trial on Monday.

517
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: Court is taking place today. They are trying to get

518
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: more alternate seated, up to six total alternates. But those

519
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: alternate jurors would be in the courtroom and they would

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00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: be watching, but they would only have a say in

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00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: the outcome.

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Speaker 2: Of the case. If other jurors.

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Speaker 3: That is the twelve initially seated jurors were forced out,

524
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: and we now have pretty good biographical descriptions of all

525
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 3: of the jurors in this case, and I wanted to

526
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: walk through them with you, as Buck and Eye did

527
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: when there were seven seeded. A big part of how

528
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: a case is going to go, particularly one like this

529
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: where we know there is a rigged jury that is

530
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: likely to be very much in favor of Alvin Bragg,

531
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: the state of New York and opposed to Donald Trump.

532
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: I want to run through what we know about the

533
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: twelve jurors that have been seated at this point in time.

534
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: And I'm reading from the New York Times. Jur Number

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00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: one works in sales, lives in West Harlem. This is

536
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: our Irish buddy, uh.

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00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: He said.

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00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: He enjoys outdoor activities, gets his news from the New

539
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 3: York Times, watches Fox News and MSNBC, which I'm sorry

540
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: sounds like you're lying to me if you say you

541
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: watch Fox News and MSNBC, unless you're me or Buck

542
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: and your job is to analyze the media. I don't

543
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: think there are actually very many people who watch both

544
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: of those. He said He's heard about some of former

545
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: President Donald Trump's other criminal cases, but didn't have an

546
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: opinion about him. Juror one's going to vote to convict. Okay,

547
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: just based on this biographical sketch. Irish guy who lives

548
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: in Harlem claims that he gets his news from Fox

549
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: News and MSNBC. I'm sorry, this guy hates Trump. He's

550
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: going to vote convict. This is my analysis. By the way,

551
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: people out there goes say Blake Travis told you exactly

552
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: what all the juries are gonna GERM members are gonna do.

553
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: He's jury tampering again. Put him in handcuffs, put him

554
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: in prison. So far, I've not been arrested. Trust me,

555
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: you'll know if I am arrested. This is my opinion,

556
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: analyzing based on the biographical information provided by the New

557
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: York Times, which is where I'm reading this from. Jur

558
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: two works in finance, lives in Hell's kitchen. He said

559
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: he likes hiking, music concerts and enjoying New York City.

560
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: He said he follows mister Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen

561
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: on social media, but he also said he follows figures

562
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: like Kelly Ann Conway. He said he believed mister Trump

563
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: had done some good for the country, adding it goes

564
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: both ways. I'm sorry if you follow Michael Cohen on

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: Twitter you hate Trump. This guy is not voting that

566
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Trump is not guilty. I'm sorry you follow Michael Cohen.

567
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: That should be a strike to me. This feels like

568
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: the first two guys here are definitely likely to vote

569
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: that Trump is guilty. Jur three, works in the legal field,

570
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: lives in Chelsea, said he doesn't follow the news, but

571
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: when he does, he reads the New York Times, the

572
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal, and finds articles using Google. He said

573
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: he was not very familiar with mister Trump's other criminal cases. Again,

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00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: this is a guilty verdict. I think we got three

575
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: bad jurors for Trump so far. Jur four, engineer from

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00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: the Upper West Side, asked how he was during jury selection.

577
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: He responded, I'm freezing. When when you're asked if he

578
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: had strong feelings about mister Trump, he responded, no, not really.

579
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Now evidently the courtroom has really been cold. So that's

580
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: kind of a funny answer as you kind of break

581
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: down here. But I don't buy into the idea that

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00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: anybody sitting in a jury pool in Manhattan doesn't have

583
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: strong feelings about Trump. When you say no, not really,

584
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: it feels to me like you're covering things up. Juror

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00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: five works in education and is from Harlem. She said

586
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: she tries to avoid political conversations, doesn't care for news.

587
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: She said she appreciates mister Trump's candor. President Trump speaks

588
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: his mind. I would rather that in a person than

589
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: someone who's in office and you don't know what they're

590
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: doing behind the scenes. Black woman in education from Harlem.

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00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: She is not voting. Not guilty, I'm sorry. Juror six

592
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: works in technology, lives in Chelsea. Gets her news from

593
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: The New York Times, Google, Facebook, and TikTok.

594
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: Oh God.

595
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: She said she probably has different beliefs than mister Trump,

596
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: but quote, this is a free country. I you know,

597
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: young woman gets her information from TikTok, disagrees with Trump,

598
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: but believes it's a free country. Lives in Chelsea. I

599
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: think we're oh for six guys, first six jurors. I

600
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: think we are zero for six. Now let me bring

601
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: in producer Alli, who didn't know I was going to

602
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: pull her up here. But you live in New York City,

603
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: You've lived in New York City for a long time.

604
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: Is there anything in these first six jurors biographical details

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: that you think I'm missing or as they are being

606
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: described and as I am reading them to you from

607
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: the New York Times, are you with me that this

608
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: does not sound like a very favorable jury pool to Trump.

609
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, And having just done jury duty myself like

610
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: two months ago, I don't have a good feeling about

611
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: this at all.

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00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 8: No.

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00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that is from these first six jurors

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: that is someone living in New York City would make

615
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: you think for a moment, just based on the neighborhoods

616
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: or any of these descriptions, oh that could be favorable.

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00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 8: No, absolutely not.

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00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Okay, this is not good. All right, So that's the

619
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Speaker 3: first six. I'm going to hit you the next six

620
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 3: in a minute here, But I want to tell you

621
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: a story too. Ali just said she had done jury

622
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: duty recently. I do think there's a significant factor here

623
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Speaker 3: that I'm going to discuss in a little bit. It

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00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: is there are two lawyers that have been seated on

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00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: this jury pool and they weren't stricken. You have the ability,

626
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: as the defense or the prosecution to just strike jurors

627
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: that you think are going to be uniquely disfavorable to you.

628
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: And I have been on jury duty only once in

629
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: my life, I've only been called once and it was

630
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: a mall Santa dispute. Guy was a mall Santa and

631
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: somehow he had gotten into a contract dispute. I mean,

632
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: he legitimately looked like Santa Claus sitting at the plainiff

633
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: table he was suing. I think it was a mall

634
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: over a contract dispute when he was playing Santa Claus

635
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: in the mall. Sorry, when he was This was not

636
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: the real Santa Claus. For the kids out there that

637
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 3: are in the car, Santa Claus was not on trial,

638
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: not the real Santa Claus. This was a pretend Santa Claus.

639
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: And so pretend Santa Claus is there. And I actually

640
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: got seated in the jury in the jury seating area,

641
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: I was going to be on this jury. And then

642
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: by mutual agreement, the plaintiff and defense lawyer recognized me

643
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: because at the time I was doing sports talker radio

644
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: and they both said they liked listening to the radio show.

645
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: So by mutual agreement, they were going to allow me

646
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: to not have to serve on the jury so they

647
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: could listen to me talk about sports. This is all

648
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: one hundred percent tury. That's the only time I've ever

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00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: been called and actually been into a courtroom. I thought

650
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: I would get knocked and taken off because I am

651
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: a lawyer.

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: They didn't do that. They took me off because I

653
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: happened to do radio.

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Speaker 3: It's very strange, I would say, incredibly rare. When I

655
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: come back, I'm going to go through the other six jurors.

656
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: This almost never happens that you would have two lawyers

657
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: sitting on a trial. Usually they get knocked off. This

658
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 3: trial super fascinating, big gamble, I would say, from both sides,

659
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: to allow this guy to continue. And so I think

660
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: this is very very interesting to contemplate rolling through the

661
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: jury that the first six, I said is not good.

662
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm struggling to find any positivity here. Juror seven works

663
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: in the legal field, lives on the Upper East Side.

664
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: He said he's aware of mister Trump's other cases, doesn't

665
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: have an opinion about his character. Said he had political

666
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: views on the Trump presidency, agreeing with some policies and

667
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 3: disagreeing with others. Again, not a big not a big

668
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: fan of Jury number seven either. And I think to

669
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: the extent that I'm talking about the fact that there

670
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: are two lawyers on this case, if you're a lawyer

671
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 3: in New York City, I think the political pressure on

672
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: you to vote to convict is going to be off

673
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: the charts because there are very few lawyers who work

674
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: in law firms that would even represent Trump. His defense

675
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: attorney had to leave a big law firm because they

676
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: were so angry at the fact that he was willing

677
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: to represent Trump. This is a big issue in the

678
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: law that doesn't get a lot of attention. How woke

679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: law firms have become is off the charts. Their diversity

680
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: quotas in terms of the warriors who represent companies. Now

681
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: you don't hear a lot of discussion about this. A

682
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: lot of law firms require diverse representation now and or

683
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 3: the clients require it. They don't require the best lawyer anymore.

684
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: They want there to be twenty percent minority, thirty five

685
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: percent female representation.

686
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

687
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: As somebody who worked in a law firm and as

688
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: someone who employs lawyers, I don't care about anything other

689
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: than are you the best of the legal representation that

690
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: I can afford.

691
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

692
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: J're eight Upper East Side, worked in finance, said he

693
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: reads The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and watches

694
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: CNBC and the BBC. He enjoys fly fishing, skiing, and yoga.

695
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: During jury selection, he said he had no opinions or

696
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: beliefs that would prevent him from being impartial.

697
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: Ali, you're the yogay.

698
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: Do you think that anybody that you work out with

699
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: in doing yoga in Manhattan other than you would be

700
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: willing to vote not guilty for Trump on a criminal trial?

701
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a tough one, Clay. Is it hot yoga?

702
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Does the yoga matter?

703
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: Is you think hot yoga or is cold yoga is

704
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: more likely to be favorable than Trump? I don't think

705
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: it's looking good yoga. Like, there are a few hobbies

706
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: that I see and I say, you are not going

707
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: to be a Trump person.

708
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Yoga is one of them.

709
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: And I know I'm gonna get deluge from all the

710
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: yoga people who are big Trump people. Now you're in

711
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: a substantial minority, especially if you're in New York City.

712
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, there's New York yoga, and then there's yoga

713
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: and other.

714
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: Places that I wouldn't say the same.

715
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Birmingham, Alabama yoga might be different than New

716
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: York City yoga. But we're talking about New York City

717
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: yoga right now.

718
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 8: Uh.

719
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: Jurre nine works in education from the Upper East Side.

720
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: She said of Trump, he was our president. Everybody knows

721
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: who he is, adding that when he was in office,

722
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: everyone was kind of talking about politics. Yeah, that's a guilty.

723
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this is not a good jury. Jur Ten

724
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: businessman who lives in Murray Hill. Ali, where's murray Hill?

725
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: What does that tell us?

726
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Actually, that's not far from me in the East village.

727
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: Okay said he doesn't follow the news, adding, if anything,

728
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: it's the New York Times. Said he likes listening to

729
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: podcasts on behavioral psychology, adding it's my hobby. Said he

730
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 3: does not have a strong opinion on Trump. All right,

731
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: those are the first ten. I'm not feeling good about

732
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: any of them. I felt good yesterday a little bit,

733
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: not anywhere near very optimistic right now. I would love

734
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: to hear from Trump's defense attorney if he's optimistic about

735
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: any of these guys.

736
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Honestly or gals.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four The Most Important Tear in

738
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Politics with Clay Travis d.

739
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Buck Sexton.

740
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Speaker 3: We bring in now Andy McCarthy, who is I bet

741
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: doing more media than he's ever done in his entire life. Andy,

742
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: we got seven jurors seated so far. How would you

743
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: assess the way this trial is going right now? Has

744
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: anything surprised you? Where are we from your perspective?

745
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 8: The pace the jury selection has really surprised me because

746
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 8: you mentioned media when we were doing it on Monday.

747
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 8: I guess, you know, I try to warn people ahead

748
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 8: of time that nothing really happens during jury selection. It

749
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 8: was you know, obviously it's historic that it's the first

750
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 8: formal day of the true I live against the first

751
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 8: former president who happens to be the de facto Republican nominee.

752
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 8: But nothing much was going to happen, and nothing seemed

753
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 8: to happen the first day. A few rulings that were interesting,

754
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 8: but beyond that, not much. And the estimates play were

755
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 8: that they thought it might take until early May you

756
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 8: get a jury because of the glacial pace of Monday.

757
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 8: But then the thing picked up like a rocket Tuesday,

758
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 8: and you know, they could they could have a setback tomorrow.

759
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 8: But the you know, to the extent the judge that

760
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: he may have a jury fully selected by Friday. That's

761
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 8: entirely possible.

762
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 4: Any thanks for being with us. You know, we're gonna

763
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: have to keep you for another segment. We have too

764
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: many questions, so just get ready for that. But one

765
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: thing that we've been wondering about, or I've been I've

766
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: been wondering about, particularly this whole notion of a an

767
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: impartial jury for Trump in New York City on this case,

768
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: it seems to me, like I understand, you know, you

769
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: go to trial with the justice system you have, and

770
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of like you go to war

771
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 4: with the army you have. This is what we got

772
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: is trial by jury system, and in general it's very

773
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: very good. But to me, it just seems like a farce.

774
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: I mean, some of the people that are already it seems,

775
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: have been in contention are obviously anti Trump, Like, how

776
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: do we get is that just baked in at this point?

777
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 8: Well, you know, the thing is that you're not. The

778
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 8: idea is not to get people who all like Trump,

779
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 8: or who all like Bragg for that matter, because there's

780
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 8: a lot of resentment against Bragg in Manhattan too. A

781
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 8: thing to remember about all this is that the people

782
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 8: the movement progressives who vote in elections like the one

783
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 8: where Bragg was elected, that's a vanishingly small number of

784
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 8: the people in Manhattan, and you know, they're very motivated,

785
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 8: so they kind of punch above their weight. Trump is

786
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 8: apt to find a number of really good jurors in Manhattan.

787
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 8: I liked trying cases in Manhattan. Now, you know, that

788
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 8: was twenty years ago, and we were federal, so we

789
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 8: were drawn from the Bronx in Westchester too, but we

790
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 8: had a lot of Manhattan jurors. I thought they were

791
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 8: good jurors. The process is supposed to lend itself to

792
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 8: a pretty searching examination of these jurors, so you can

793
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 8: make it discriminating choice about them. There's a lot of

794
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 8: latitude to move to remove people by choice. I have

795
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 8: a bite for cause. Rather, I haven't heard too much

796
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 8: complaining that they wanted people removed from cause. The judge

797
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 8: refused to remove, which is part of why it's going faster.

798
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 8: I think. I think they got rid of a lot

799
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 8: of cause objections the first day in one big fell swoop.

800
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 8: But also remember, in terms of balance, even though if

801
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 8: you even if you accept as a premise that Manhattan

802
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 8: is cut against Trump, which it clearly is, Trump only

803
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 8: needs one, you know to win here. Yeah, Bragg needs twelve,

804
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 8: and that's a big difference when you have a case

805
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 8: like like Bragg has, which is a kind of a

806
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 8: dog's breakfast of a case.

807
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: When we come back, I want to ask you this question, Andy,

808
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: what would happen if Trump were convicted? What's the process

809
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: that would play out? Thank you for joining us. You

810
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: good to come back for one more segment?

811
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, great.

812
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get to that like us. You know, are

813
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: they going to lock him up if they can? Is

814
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: really what we want to dive into. And what would

815
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: that look like? And how would this all work? What

816
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 4: the process is? Welcome back in Clay and Buck. All right, Andy,

817
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: let's dive right, and we're speaking to Andy McCarthy of

818
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: National Review and Fox News twenty plus years Southern District

819
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 4: of New York prosecutor. Andy, if they find Trump guilty,

820
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: what do you think happens? I mean, give us the

821
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: timeline and the possible punishments, well.

822
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 8: Allowing the things of moving a little faster than we thought,

823
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 8: and we'll see if that continues. Let's say the trial

824
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 8: goes into mid to late May, maybe early June. If

825
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 8: he were to get convicted, I think it matters a

826
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 8: lot what he gets convicted of and we can come

827
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 8: back around and talk about that. But let's assume, for arguments,

828
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 8: say he gets convicted of one or more selonies in

829
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 8: the indictment, which are all the charges of felonies in

830
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 8: the indictment, he would have a maximum sentences. I understand

831
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 8: the way New York groups statutory counts of four years

832
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 8: and sentencing is normally about three months after a conviction.

833
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 8: This is a nonviolent crime. He's a first sender in

834
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 8: New York. He should not get a sentence of incarceration.

835
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 8: But you know, if you would ask me about Alan Weiselberg,

836
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 8: who Bragg has prosecuted twice in the last two years,

837
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 8: I would have told you he shouldn't get one either.

838
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 8: And they have him in now for I think second

839
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 8: five months stint at Rikers. So there'll be a lot

840
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 8: of pressure from the left, which certainly Brag and the

841
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 8: judge seemed to be very keen to to put him

842
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 8: in prison for some period of time. I think Trump

843
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 8: will be able to delay that. And my understanding is

844
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 8: the way New York appellate law works is that once

845
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 8: he appeals, the sentence can be you know, any sentence

846
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 8: imposed can be frozen. Until the appeal's done, and.

847
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: The appeal would take well after the election.

848
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, be into next year for sure.

849
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: And honestly, Andy, this is a crazy question. But given

850
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: it to a state charge, he doesn't if he got

851
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: elected president? How do state charges that have already and

852
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what the president would be here because

853
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: there's truly never been one. How does state criminal charges

854
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: apply to a president of the United States if it

855
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: was a conviction that occurred prior to his election.

856
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 8: As you say, Clay, the most important thing is that

857
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 8: this has never happened before, So you know, we're kind

858
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 8: of spitballing here. But my view would be the Trump

859
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 8: Justice Department would argue under the supremacy clause that any

860
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 8: sentence ought to be postponed until after his term is over. That,

861
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 8: in other words, the state can't execute a sentence that

862
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 8: would prevent the federal government from doing its ordinary functions.

863
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 8: And I kind of doubt that the state would fight

864
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 8: that point. I think you know what they want here

865
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 8: is to get Trump convicted. You know, look, I've been

866
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 8: surprised by a lot of things, but I don't know.

867
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: I know, we've got a million just I have to

868
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 4: ask this is there any chance that they could, Because Andy,

869
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: what they've done in DC is I call it warp speed,

870
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: right they've or ludicrous speed. They've moved faster in the

871
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Speaker 4: j six trial than all my friends or federal defense

872
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: attorneys and federal prosecutors say.

873
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Speaker 2: Like ever happens.

874
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Speaker 4: Could they do the sentencing much sooner than three months

875
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Speaker 4: after if he's found guilty?

876
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Speaker 8: You know they could try. I think his lawyers could

877
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 8: you know, tie that up for a while. But I

878
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 8: don't really see the big point of doing that, Buck,

879
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 8: because again, the appeal would mean they wouldn't be able

880
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 8: to execute the sentence, and what they really really want

881
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 8: is to call him a convicted felon. I think how

882
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 8: much she gets sentenced with me beside the point, And

883
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 8: it could be scandalous if you put Trump in jail

884
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 8: when Bragg is taking serious, serious crimes and turning it

885
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 8: into turning them into misdemeanors or not charging them at all.

886
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 8: That's certainly not going to be helpful to Biden.

887
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Speaker 3: Andy, you heard about the left is fired up at

888
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: me for my jury tweets and comments that I've made

889
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: on this show.

890
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: Do you think that.

891
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: I will be arrested for jury tampering, as Eric Swallwell

892
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: has requested, as Joy Read and CNN have requested, Well,

893
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: I would.

894
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 8: Say, no, Clay, but you know, I'm not in New

895
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 8: York today, and Alvin Bragg is the DA there. He's

896
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 8: got a different idea when you're on this side of

897
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 8: the political aisle than would be the case in the

898
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 8: normal case. In all seriousness, I think that you know,

899
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 8: what you said is not something I would say. But

900
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 8: it's not the crime of jury tampering. It's basically First

901
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 8: Amendment free speech. I'm you know, I like the jury system.

902
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 8: I'm one of these You still.

903
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 4: Have some faith in Andy, which I appreciate. I'm not

904
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: sure I do as much, especially seeing what we're seeing

905
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 4: for some of these jurors. But you know, the best

906
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 4: thing we got, I get it.

907
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 8: Yeah. But you know, one of the things we talked

908
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 8: about just probably a month ago was how ridiculous it

909
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 8: was that the civil fraud trial was just a enstro

910
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 8: in front of and geron right. And I think the

911
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 8: only reason for making that point is because it's more

912
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Speaker 8: fair to have a jury trial, And implicit in that

913
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Speaker 8: is that we think that, you know, twelve sensible people

914
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Speaker 8: are more likely to come to a correct result than

915
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Speaker 8: one movement progressive. So you know that's I'm still banking

916
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Speaker 8: on that.

917
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Speaker 3: If if there were a mistrial, let's say they couldn't

918
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Speaker 3: get a verdict, there's no way they could get a

919
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: case rescheduled, right, This would basically be Bragg falling on

920
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: his face if in some way he doesn't get the

921
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: felony conviction.

922
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think number one would be ridiculous

923
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 8: if he wanted to try it again, because if they

924
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 8: don't get him on this, it's going to because it's

925
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 8: going to be because it's a ridiculous case, which Bragg

926
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Speaker 8: knew in the first place, and that's why he shut

927
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Speaker 8: it down in twenty twenty two. If they don't get

928
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Speaker 8: a conviction, it's going to be because of things like

929
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 8: Michael Comb, which doesn't get better over time. But the

930
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 8: other thing, just to be totally practical about it, is

931
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Speaker 8: Trump's dance cards going to be filled up with uh,

932
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 8: you know, classified information proceedings down in the Florida case

933
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 8: and all of the pre trial stuff in the Washington case.

934
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 8: The the the j sixth case is going to start

935
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 8: up again once the Supreme Court rules on immunity because

936
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 8: when they rule on immunity, Assuming they rule against Trump,

937
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 8: which I do, then the case is good. The jurisdiction

938
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 8: off of the case is going to go back to

939
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 8: Judge chuck In and she's going to start having hearings

940
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 8: and putting the pedal to the medal.

941
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: Well, the good news. It sounds like Andy, neither Trump

942
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: nor Clay are going to the Big House and going

943
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 4: to be cellmates, perhaps having to pick who gets top

944
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: bunk anytime soon.

945
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 8: Let's let's let's pray for that outcome. I agree with that.

946
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Pray for it to be television shows.

947
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: And when Clay was on, when the heat was turned

948
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: up on Clay, you know what he said, I'd love

949
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: to have Andy as my defender if I if I

950
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: did say that, I would, I would, I would, I

951
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 4: would hire You might make some money off this before

952
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Yeah.

953
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 8: I might come out of retirement for that.

954
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: Casere we go, all right, everybody,