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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant with Jerry Rowland. Do

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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do? And this

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Speaker 1: is breaking stuff you should Know, recorded two days before

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Speaker 1: it gets released. We're basically like pod Save America now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I think it's funny that the only reason

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Speaker 1: I said that an email early is like, guys, if

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Speaker 1: have to go back and rerecording dates. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to rerecord updates. I don't want to either.

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Speaker 1: We could have also been super duper lazy and released

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Speaker 1: it and not done updates, but then we would just

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Speaker 1: been like slobs. Would have been like Blue Do Brother

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Speaker 1: Blue Do in Animal House right, kind of like we

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Speaker 1: went back and updated the Obamacare episode so many times exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think about how much work we put

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Speaker 1: into that one. Man. Uh, So, Chuck, we're talking today

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Speaker 1: about North Korea. I've been wanting to do this one

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Speaker 1: for a while. I learned so much. Yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I learned is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the bizarre rumors I've always heard about North Korea, a

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Speaker 1: lot of those are actually totally true. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: learned that just knowing, just having a basic understanding of

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Speaker 1: why it is the way it is, just a basic understanding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do. You know, we're definitely not North Korea experts

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Speaker 1: actually people out there who are it's their job to

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Speaker 1: analyze reports that come out of pyeong Yang and um

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Speaker 1: like the way that that Kim Jong un might um

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Speaker 1: wave is using his left hand today, or that actually

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Speaker 1: means this, there's people whose job it is to know

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Speaker 1: that and to be able to say this is probably

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Speaker 1: what they're going to do next. How is he wearing

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Speaker 1: his hair today? Oh, the same easworn't every day of

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Speaker 1: his life. Well, here's a fact for you. The the

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Speaker 1: speaking of his hair, he has a very unique hairstyle

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Speaker 1: for his country. As a matter of fact, he may

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Speaker 1: because when he came to power, Right after he came

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Speaker 1: to power in two thousand and eleven, the North Korean government,

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Speaker 1: lad of course, by Kim Jong un um, issued a

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Speaker 1: decree that if you're a man, you can have hair

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Speaker 1: things that was confirmed for me. I never oh the poster,

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Speaker 1: poster because you know, photoshop and all. But his hair

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Speaker 1: looks like one of the approved hair styles. It's long, well,

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Speaker 1: I think that his hair is is totally unique in

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Speaker 1: it's all hanging down in his face. Yeah, it looks

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Speaker 1: like the new bass player from Metallica, who was who Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's like the guy from Metal Metal Apocalypse. Is he

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Speaker 1: the same guy that took over since the what, Sir Jason,

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Speaker 1: does Zach Galifernakis, the guy who played guitar for Rozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 1: Like the two most metal looking guys in the history

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that's him at any rate, North Korea. If

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Speaker 1: start at the latest as it stands right now. Okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: been some really surprising developments and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: And people are going nuts because this actually seems like

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Speaker 1: right because it could you know, some people say this

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Speaker 1: you know, there's recent reports that this this whole notion

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Speaker 1: this site has has been destroyed. Oh I did see

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Speaker 1: But the whole reason that this is such big news

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Speaker 1: Soviets had said no and China was thinking about it,

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00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: North Korea was utterly and totally alone and they were

426
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: against the United States, and that helped create the mythos

427
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: that still to this day is the the point the

428
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: existence of North Korea. Yeah, isolationist nation that know that

429
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: they feel like they can't trust anybody. They can't trust anybody.

430
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: They are the defenders of the Korean race, which is

431
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: the purest, greatest race on the planet. As far as

432
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: the North Korean mythology is concerned, I didn't see whether

433
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: it was widely held in South Korea or not, but

434
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: the North Koreans definitely believed they are, and that the

435
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: North Koreans are actually still to this day the defenders

436
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: of the Korean peninsula. And if it weren't for the North,

437
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: the American hordes would have overrun the Korean peninsula by now,

438
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: and so South Korea should be thanking they're lucky stars

439
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: at North Korea is there to defend them, even though

440
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: the South is just a bunch of ingrades. That's that's

441
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: the mythology behind this, and all of it is finds

442
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: it's its place in the guys or in the persona

443
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: of the dear Leader, whichever member of the Kim family

444
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: that is at the time. Right, So after this happens,

445
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: after China saves their bacon, and fighting, you know, fighting

446
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: just continues for a couple of years before this this

447
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: truce is signed. Um, bad fighting, you know it was.

448
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: It was not pretty. Um, things got really serious, and

449
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: Kim Il sung within his country said you know what, Um,

450
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little crazy here, and I'm gonna

451
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: purge the system and anyone who's a threat to whether

452
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: they're citizens or whether they're military leaders of my own. Um,

453
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: they're all They're all gonna be under the gun, like literally,

454
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and I will kill them. I will assassinate them. I

455
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: will cleanse my country of anyone who doesn't worship me. Basically,

456
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: that's a kind of a good way to say it.

457
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, like it was, it's almost like worship.

458
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: He turned right, very much so, and it still is today. Right. Yeah,

459
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: So I guess he turned since he his his campaign

460
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: to retake the Korean peninsula was repelled, he turned inward

461
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: and focused at all inward, and it became very very

462
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: dark in North Korea. Yeah, he had fifty thousand statues

463
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: of himself erected. And this is with a money from

464
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union in China that was meant to go

465
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: to UM. I don't know things like housing construction and

466
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: food and all that stuff. Yeah, so, I mean, if

467
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: there was a propaganda machine before, it's it like he

468
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: turns it to eleven at this point, right, And this

469
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: is how this is how the place is going for

470
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years until the early

471
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: nineties when something really significant happened, and that was the

472
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: fall of the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union kept

473
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: North Korea as a client state, but not exactly as

474
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: a communist country. They had communist ideology, but you can

475
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: make a case, and a lot of people do that

476
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: North Korea is not actually a genuinely communist country because

477
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: part of that experience of Kim Il sung being left

478
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: a twist in the wind against the Americans by the

479
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Chinese and the Soviets was a concept called juja. I

480
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: really tried and I could not find the right pronunciation,

481
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: but it's j u c H. What did you get? Well,

482
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you believe that that YouTube videos Emma

483
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: saying what is it called Emma saying Oh, I don't know.

484
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Is that what it is where it does like the

485
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: crazy circle wipe? Yes, yeah, they said, jusia right. I

486
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: thought it was a little on the nose. Okay, I

487
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: saw I saw in like written out and I'm no linguist,

488
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: but um it didn't look anything like that. All right, Well,

489
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: either way, this was in early nineteen seventies. This is

490
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: the political philosophy, which is basically what they call here

491
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: being the master of revolution and reconstruction in one's own country.

492
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: In other words, self reliant, reject all outside influence. We're

493
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: the masters of our own domain, except for whatever financial

494
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: assistance you want to give us, right, but we're not

495
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: going to tell you about that. We're not gonna tell

496
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: you we're getting aid from the outside world because you're glorious,

497
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: dear leader, and eternal President is providing for you, So

498
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: don't you worry about that at all. Right, So it

499
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: isn't exactly a purely communist country. It is its own thing.

500
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: It's actually a unique country in that because of the

501
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Jusha thing and the fact that it has communist ideology,

502
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: and then that it's actually what's considered to be a

503
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: um ah hereditary dictatorship. Very close to a monarchy, but

504
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: it's not exactly, although it is frequently called the Hermit Kingdom.

505
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: So that's the way it stayed for years under Kim

506
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: Il sung, and then the U. S s R. Fell.

507
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: And when the U. S s R. Fell, like most

508
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: of the aid to North Korea that kept things humming

509
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: went away, humming being a relative term. Right. They weren't

510
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: living large, no, but they certainly weren't engaged in famine,

511
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: which is what happened right after the Soviet Union stopped

512
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: being the Soviet Union. All right, So that's the Kim dynasty. Um,

513
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: like we said, it might as well be a monarchy,

514
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: but what you call it a hereditary dictatorship. And the

515
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: whole thing is that Kim dynasty. Yeah, that was just

516
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Kim Il Song. Yeah yeah, Kim Il Well I was

517
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: setting up with the Kim dynasty to follow. So Kim

518
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Il Song passes away. His eldest son, Kim Jong il,

519
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: who most people probably know because he was around until

520
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: pretty recently. He had a big part in UM Team

521
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: America World Police too. I never saw that. Oh you're

522
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: missing out. I know that one just got by me.

523
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: It just just watch it. It's yeah, these guys are

524
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: great and make sure you see the unedited cut version. Okay,

525
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: uh so he was selected, well, he was the first,

526
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: first born, the eldest son. However he was there seems

527
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: to be a lot of leeway because it's not a

528
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: monarchy under they select, and he seems to have been

529
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: selected because out of the five kids, he was the

530
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: biggest jerk. You know. This article says that he'd shown

531
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: his um, his talent at um propaganda. One of the

532
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: ways that he showed his talent and propaganda was by

533
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: kidnapping a famous director and his actress wife from South

534
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Korea and forcing them to spark North Korean cinema. That

535
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: was one of the ways he was a propagandist. Have

536
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: you ever heard that story? It sounds familiar. But kidnapped

537
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: a film director and made him make propaganda movies for

538
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: the North for years, years and they finally escaped and

539
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: did the wife star in them? Yeah? Husband directed at

540
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: wife started him as hostages of the state of North Korea.

541
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: And was it like, hey, we'll take care of you

542
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: and they you know, gave them a nice place, or

543
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: was it like there's a gun at your head, go

544
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: make this movie. The first four years were spent in

545
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: a concentration camp. The rest of the time after that

546
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: was in the lap of luxury. But did a little

547
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: and then or give very little and then take care

548
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: of him right, sort of like a game, I think

549
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: very much. So, Yeah, but four years in a concentration

550
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: camp to start right, that's which means you'll do anything right.

551
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: But but they were in the lap of luxury. The

552
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: director later said that, you know, a lot of people

553
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: thought that I was living it up. He said, yes,

554
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: I had everything I wanted. But to live in comfort

555
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: like that while everyone around you is an agony is terrible. Yeah,

556
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: but that's something that the Kim dynasty doesn't seem to

557
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: mind so much because they very much live in the

558
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: lap of luxury. Obviously, so Kim Jong il he inherits

559
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: in North Korea that's not in good shape. The Soviets

560
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: are gone economically, like you said, they are uh, like

561
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, there was there was a brutal famine. Um,

562
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: there were floods, there were draughts. About two and a

563
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: half million people supposedly died of starvation. And so he said,

564
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: all right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna maybe

565
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: try some small economic reform and in the early two

566
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: thousands he started sim allowing a semi private markets to

567
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: a merge. But it was not much, certainly, not the

568
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing to turn the country's economy around. Not

569
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: enough for sure. Yeah. So, um, after the Soviet Union fell,

570
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: they were down to one state and they still received

571
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: outside aid unless somebody had a sanction du jour against them.

572
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: But the one country they could rely on was China

573
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: for for financial aid. So, but they were dead. They

574
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: used to be the Soviet Union and China, and then

575
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Soviet Union went away and

576
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: then it was China. Well that's why the most recent, uh,

577
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: the most recent UM sanctions have packed such a punch,

578
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: because China got involved. Because you're saying earlier, like whatever sanctions,

579
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: it's because China, I think, Well that that was That

580
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: was part of Obama's UM what's it called the strategic

581
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Patients was basically being like you, guys, when I act

582
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: like a bread that's fine. Check out our military over here.

583
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: And while you're just over here being like this, We're

584
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna go to China put pressure on China, like China

585
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: was the key you get China further and further out

586
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: onto the world stage, more and more ameshed in global markets,

587
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: the less they're going to tolerate outbursts by North Korea.

588
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: And if you take China away from North Korea, north

589
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Korea has done the strategic patients is has there ever

590
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: been a more like Obama esque term well and just

591
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: government crafted. Yeah, it's like, here's a good one to

592
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: try it out there. Strategic. But that was one thing

593
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: and one reason why a lot of people are crediting

594
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Trump with with this about face. And we'll talk more

595
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: about this, but it's worth saying right now is because

596
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: he very much went against strategic patients and his whole

597
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: thing was a show of bluster and strength saying We're

598
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: not going to put up with your crap. Don't push me, fella,

599
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: and they it's a lot of people are saying that

600
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: this is this is why I actually got North Korea

601
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: at the table. Did he like actually scared that? To me, though,

602
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: is like, that's what makes it so unbelievable to me,

603
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: That's what makes me suspicious of the whole thing. That

604
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: that that that is what worked. Yeah, that the Kim

605
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: family scared that easily. I don't know, man, who knows. Uh, alright,

606
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: so semi private markets not working out too well, certainly

607
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: not turning the country around. Uh. Kim Jong ill died

608
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven of a heart attack. And

609
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: we're skipping over a lot off like if you want

610
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: to if you want to know more about just how

611
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: bizarre North carea class right, but but also specifically look

612
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: at Kim Jong eels reign, like he was well known

613
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: for importing nearly a million dollars or the kagnac into

614
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: his country every year when the the average wage wass

615
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: like just crazy stuff, crazy stuff. But he was also

616
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: able to be bought off. That was a big one. Yeah,

617
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: what was um? I know, I think this was for

618
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: Kim il sung when when they first got the propaganda

619
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: machine going that they said things like he, uh, the

620
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: first time he went bowling, he scored a three hundred

621
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: and the first time he went golfing he got eleven

622
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: straight holes in one the first time ever. That's so

623
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: funny that like it just sounds like something like they're

624
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: got a third grader, so right, the his hit backstory, right, Oh,

625
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: I know, I got it. This is going to knock

626
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: their socks off. He grew full Beard when he was four, right,

627
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: just because he could. So you got Kim jong Kim

628
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Kim Il song, and then Kim Jong il his son,

629
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: and then Kim Jong il dies and Kim Uh Kim

630
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: jong un takes over and he's the third in line.

631
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: I think he was like twenty seven when he took over,

632
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: and he was different for sure. He had been exucated

633
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: in Switzerland. He was a fan of um western music.

634
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I love basketball. Basketball is huge in North Korea, but

635
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: they actually have slightly altered UM rules. Like there's such

636
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: a thing as a four pointer. Did you know? Really? Yeah?

637
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: What is that? Just a super long shot? I don't know,

638
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: but I do know that if you miss free throws

639
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: you actually lose points. Oh interesting, kind of a good idea. Yeah,

640
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: it really puts the puts the heat on you. That

641
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: sounds like something that whatever the XFL version of the

642
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: NBA would do, right, you know, but this is the

643
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: North Korean version of the NBA. Or like if you

644
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: shoot a three pointer or with your with your eyes

645
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: closed behind your back, over your head, so explains Dennis

646
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Rodman at least right sort of talk about Dennis Rodman. Well,

647
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have a whole lot on him,

648
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: other than he very famously made the news. Uh was

649
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago and then again within

650
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: the last year or so. Yeah, by going over there

651
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: and kind of being buddies with him and then coming

652
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: back and saying he's not such a bad guy. Yeah,

653
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: it was. He was super criticized for Robin was because

654
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: he didn't go under the premature of the State Department

655
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: or anything like, we did not send him. He was

656
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: a rogue envoy. But at the same time, some people

657
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: were saying, like, hey, man, a rogue envoy is an

658
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: unofficial ambassador to North Korea. Is better than the status quo.

659
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: Right now, let's see what he comes back with. Um.

660
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: One of the things he said was that Kim Jong

661
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: un lives basically on a bitha or Hawaii, except he's

662
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: the only one that lives there. Yeah, he lives on

663
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: an island off the coast, a gorgeous tropical island of

664
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: his own, right. Um. And there's lots of other stuff

665
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: that Robmin came back with. But the point was, there

666
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: is a period of time where Dennis Robin was the

667
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: unofficial ambassador to North Korea for the United States. Right,

668
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure they showed him a great time.

669
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Rodin was probably like, oh man, that dude knows how

670
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: to party, right. And so with Kim Jong ou coming

671
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: in like this being Western influenced in some ways, um,

672
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: there was a lot of hope that he was going

673
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: to open up the country. He was going to drop

674
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: the saber rattling and belicosity of his predecessors, his father

675
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: and his grandfather, and that maybe maybe the North Korea

676
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: problem was going to be solved now. And it looked

677
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: like that for a month, and then he started killing people.

678
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but that's why I think it might be

679
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: real now, is that after he went through his his

680
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: kill people face that he he might have been like, well,

681
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: this isn't working. Sanctions are worse than ever. I've got

682
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: this new president in the United States that um, uh,

683
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: how should I put this? That that uh, that that

684
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: wants to prove a point. Oh wow, that was very

685
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: You should be the ambassador that wants to prove a

686
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: point with his bluster and his belicocity. So maybe like

687
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be so bad to get get American movies

688
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: over here, and and kind of like I'm young, and

689
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: like he's totally watching all that stuff. Oh, sure he is,

690
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, but the idea the like, am I really

691
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: threatened by my own citizens? I don't know if he's

692
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: threatened by it. And this probably isn't a huge factor,

693
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: but the the amount of psychic damage that that would

694
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: do if it wasn't properly handled by their propaganda machine,

695
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: would it would just supposedly mentally crumble or emotionally crumble

696
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: a significant portion of their population who are just so

697
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: dedicated to this that the idea of North Korea suddenly

698
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: laying down its arms when the whole purpose of North

699
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Korea's existence was to be armed against an American invasion,

700
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: it would It doesn't fit it, So it doesn't make sense.

701
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: All right, Well here here, let's talk about is killing

702
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: people phase and then take a break. Sounds good because

703
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave people hanging. Okay, So, like

704
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: you said, he comes in there, he's in his late twenties,

705
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: mid twenties, and in his first five years he's just

706
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: executing people left and right. Yeah, Like basically his father's contemporaries.

707
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: One of the guys was his uncle. Hundred and forty

708
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: senior members of the military government and the party elite,

709
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: his uncle. Like you said, how did you kill his uncle?

710
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: Tell him? Well, uh, if you believe reports, he was

711
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: literally torn apart by an anti aircraft gun in front

712
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: of his family. In front of his family, which that's

713
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: not a good look, like a four barreled gun used

714
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: to shoot down planes. They used on hean young Choi

715
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: who was also his defense minister, and his uncle and

716
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: and if you believe reports, which I mean they have

717
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: to be true, had his his half brother assassinated by

718
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: two female assassins sprang him in the face in an

719
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: airport because he's trying to go to Disneyland. I also

720
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: saw reports that he had um I think also by

721
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: anti aircraft gun, executed his mistress and there was um

722
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: suspicions that it was at his wife's behest. Yeah. Um,

723
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: so that happened like right after he came to power.

724
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: To that basically signaled like nope, this guy's this guy's

725
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: following in the family footsteps for sure. Well, there was

726
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: a very embarrassing video of his uncle um nodding off

727
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: at an event. Oh that's what got him killed. Huh,

728
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: he was the guy that was the guy who did that. Yeah,

729
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: I mean that may have been the tipping point, but

730
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted him out of there for whatever reasons.

731
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: But he was caught on video napping at an event

732
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: where Kim Jong n was and that I think was

733
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: what seals fate. You know, Chuck, Like, if you listen

734
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: to us, we're both kind of hedging, like if these

735
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: reports were true, or reports say this or whatever. We

736
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: were raised in the Cold War, right, and once the

737
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: Cold War was over, we realized that a lot of

738
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: the stuff we were told about the Soviet Union was

739
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: just total b Yes, so I think we're we can't

740
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: help but approach. You know what We've been told about

741
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: North Korea with the same kind of suspicion, Right, but

742
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, a lot of this stuff seems

743
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: to be totally true, like it doesn't need to be exaggerated,

744
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: which is really jarring. Yeah, you want to take a

745
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: break now, Yeah, let's do it, Okay, Okay. So North

746
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Korea is known as the Hermit Kingdom, and for good,

747
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: good measure, right, for good reason, they have sealed themselves

748
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: off as much as is possible in today's modern age

749
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: of information, pretty successfully sealed himselves off from the rest

750
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah, Oh yeah, I'll bet other totalitarian

751
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: states are just like those guys do it, right, They

752
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: really do so. One of the ways that they do,

753
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: like they really keep outside influences to a very large

754
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: degree outside right, Um, the radios that you buy. And

755
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: again I can't help but see us in like fifteen

756
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: years being like, I can't believe we said that was

757
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: in fact. But what I've been told is that the

758
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: radios and televisions that you buy in North Korea are

759
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: pre set to the state channels so that they can't

760
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: tune in anything but the state approved media. Yeah. No,

761
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: no labor unions, no independent news media. They jam networks

762
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: foreign like broadcasts from coming in. Right, they still use

763
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Yahoo netscape. Uh. People, there are public executions. It's very

764
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: grizzly scene, um to keep everyone um in line their

765
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: labor camps. I took issue with the public execution thing

766
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: because I think that that's like, that's pretty standard. It's

767
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: like something the state does any state. Oh you mean

768
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: to keep people in line our own executions of criminals. Yeah,

769
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: everybody does that. It's like to keep people in line. Yeah,

770
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: but I think when they say public it's probably broadcast

771
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: on television. See that kind of thing whereas we don't

772
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: do that yet. No, there was a moment do you

773
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: remember that that um TV special that almost aired in

774
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: like the late nineties early two thousands where they were

775
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna they were going to broadcast in execution on like

776
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: Fox or something that's horrific. Uh So, Yeah, force labor camps,

777
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: um and and this is startling to supposedly sometimes like

778
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: you could be in a labor camp because of a

779
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: sin uh quote sin unquote that your grandfather committed. Yeah,

780
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: they have like a three generation rule in some cases

781
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: where if who did something, they would put you and

782
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: then two other generations of your family into a labor camp.

783
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: Forced labor camp, not fun labor camp. A forced labor

784
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: not a fun labor camp. We already talked about the hairstyles.

785
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Go look up the posters what's approved. The women's hair

786
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: styles are not current to say the least. The men's

787
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: hair styles are kind of all the same version of

788
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: the Kim family, which is to say, high and tight. Yeah,

789
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: they look like a racist bugs bunny western propagandy cartoon.

790
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Look it up, okay, Um.

791
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: We talked about their military for the size of their country.

792
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Their military is huge. They only have million people and

793
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: they have one point two million full time service members

794
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: that's just full time, and another almost eight million reservists.

795
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah, compared to South Korea, they have twice

796
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: the population and only about six d and fifty five

797
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: thousand full time soldiers. And from what I understand, if

798
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: you just put North Korea against South Korea, South Korea

799
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: would whip North Korea just wallop them militarily, right, even

800
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: though they have half the soldiers. But that's not to

801
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: say that North Korea has some slouchy, sloppy military. They

802
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: spend almost all of their money on their military, and

803
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: it's actually pretty top notch. Plus it's it's peopled by

804
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: extraordinarily dedicated soldiers. Yeah that they parade through their every October.

805
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: Everyone's seeing those parades with the tanks and the I

806
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: c b ms and it's a big show. It's a

807
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: big show. Yeah, it's gonna follow that up, but that's

808
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: what it is. You just say it twice. It's just

809
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: a big show. It's the description. So nice, you said

810
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: it twice. Um, they're g d P is small. It's

811
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: just about forty billion. Um. They like we said, they

812
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: have a life. There isn't isn't fun. They don't produce

813
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: a lot um. They certain they can't produce enough for themselves,

814
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: so they're really reliant. That's why these sanctions are put

815
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: such a whopping on them because they really rely on

816
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: imports and exports to get by. Right. But one of

817
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: the things that workers have to do, no matter what

818
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: your industry is, almost all workers have to stay after work.

819
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: Part of part of your job is after you're done

820
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: laboring for the day. God, this is so bleak, you

821
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: have to stick around for mandatory government meetings. And there's

822
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: two varieties, right. There's one um where it's called the

823
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: community session where they talk about you know, production goals

824
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. That's fine, I mean it's like

825
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: a work meeting basically. But then there's the learning session,

826
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: and that's just yeah, that's when you basically rap people out,

827
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: even yourself, wrap yourself out on if you break broke

828
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: any rules, if you saw someone breaking rules. Uh. And

829
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: apparently this is where the defectors have shed a little

830
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: light and said that that people aren't coming to these

831
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: as much as they used to because things are so

832
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: bad here. People need the spare time after work to

833
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: go in and hunt and scour the for food. Yeah,

834
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: you've got to look for food there. You might also

835
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: be just sick, not like you basically have to work,

836
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: but you're just too sick to stick around for the

837
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: learning session, right, Well, yeah, I mean it's amazing the

838
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: physical hole that life. And this is just since the

839
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: forties that it's taken. The life expectancy is UM sixty

840
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: seven for men and seventy four for women, and it's

841
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: all compared to South Korea, which by all accounts, you know,

842
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that different. No, No, there's literally divided

843
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: families that we're still divided from the Korean War. So

844
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: sixty seven years for men, seventy four for women UM

845
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: compared to seventy nine and eighty five to South Korea.

846
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: And then just their height and weight is different. North

847
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: Korean men are between about two and four point three

848
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: inches shorter in thirteen to twenty seven pounds lighter. That's

849
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: based on a study, a study of defectors from North

850
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: Korea compared to their South Korean counterparts. I don't know

851
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: how how robust that is, but it's actually literally taking

852
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: a physical toll on a population, and from all accounts,

853
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: life is extraordinarily hard there. It gets very cold in

854
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: North Korea, even though there's Pacific Um paradise island that

855
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: Um Kim Jong Hoon lives on, uh In. In the mainland,

856
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: it's actually it gets very cold in the winter. But

857
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of electricity brown o blackouts,

858
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of lack of heat. There's a

859
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: lot there's a lot of yeah, blackouts and brown outs. Um.

860
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: It's a very hard existence, which makes it makes it

861
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: all the more remarkable that they've managed to keep the

862
00:51:53,840 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: population this devoted, not just in line, utterly devoted UM

863
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: for decades, for generations. Now are they yes, how do

864
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: we know that I'm basing mine on? I think from defectors,

865
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: uh and I think from the the woman who posed

866
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: as an English teacher, she's she came back saying like yes,

867
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: She's like, yes, there are glimmers here. They're like curiosity

868
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: about the outside world, about all this other stuff. Um.

869
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: But there's so much self censorship because everyone knows that

870
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: they are Um being surveilled at all times by their buddies,

871
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: by military soldiers, by everybody that for all intents and purposes.

872
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: They just the easiest. The path of least resistance is

873
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: to just be dedicated and devoted as much as they

874
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: expect you to be. Yeah, but my point is there's

875
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: a difference between really believing in that and doing it

876
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: out of fear for being killed. And like as soon

877
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: as that Berlin Wall falls, then it's then everyone awake.

878
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that's necessarily true, because I

879
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: think about people who are institutionalized in prison. You spend

880
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: enough time in prison, the day you get out of

881
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: prison is not necessarily like you're right back into society.

882
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: And Red hangs himself in a halfway exactly. That's where

883
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: I learned about this. Does that make that means it

884
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: must feature so many lessons from shall shank Um? They

885
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: do things like control or the ways that people can

886
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: can get a little taste of the West. Is I

887
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: thought this was interesting, is that they will um, Now

888
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: who is making these DVD players with the USB China? Okay,

889
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: so China will make a DVD player with a sneaky

890
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: little USB port so you can have the state propaganda

891
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: disc digital versatile disc in the player but be sneakily

892
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: watching something else via usb port like whatever. Uh, welcome

893
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: back Cotter. Yeah. I literally couldn't think of a name

894
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: that's huge in North Korean Avengers Infinity War actually um.

895
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: From what I understand, the North Korean media and on

896
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: TV consists of three channels, two of which are available

897
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: only on the weekends. And so the North Koreans really

898
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: love bootleg smuggled South Korean soap operas love them. So

899
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: there are outside influences that do trickle in, especially along

900
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: the border between China and North Korea, but there's it's

901
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: just not widespread, and it's certainly not widespread enough that

902
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: there's there doesn't seem to be any internal threat to

903
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: the Kim dynasty, Okay none. And the whole reason for

904
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: this is because it's US against the rest of the world,

905
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: and they've been They've managed to keep that mentality going

906
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: for generations. So the idea that now now that the

907
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: the Kim Dynasty North Korea has the very thing that

908
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: they've sought for decades, U nuclear warhead that could pierce

909
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: into the United States, now that they're saying we'll give

910
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: that up, it's it boggles the mind. You know what's

911
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: mind boggling is to go to an image source online

912
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: and type in um daily life in North Korea and

913
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: Daily Life in South Korea and bring them up and

914
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: just to look at one modern society, uh, on one side,

915
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: and then one on the other side, and realize this,

916
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: there's just like an imaginary line drawn between these two things. Yeah, well,

917
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: really unbelievable. Yeah, it's actually a pretty serious, very real

918
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: line at DMZ. Well you know what I mean. I

919
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: do know what you mean. Although I will tell you this,

920
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: I was very surprised to hear this pot is not

921
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: at all illegal in North Korea. Pot so they use

922
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: it and smoke it. Yes, isn't that bizarre. I wonder

923
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: if they do that to keep everyone just sort of

924
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: but you think they'd be like, wait a minute, things

925
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: are really messed up here. Oh I got all reflective. Yeah,

926
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: look at Bob Marley or damn man, things aren't so bad.

927
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: It's possible. It depends on what strain you're smoking. But

928
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: look at Bob Marley. He was like get up and

929
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: uh you know the other thing, Uh stand up? Yeah,

930
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: but he was also like, let's go kick the soccer

931
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: ball around. Yeah. Um pod also made him invincible when

932
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: he was shot. Is Bob Marley shot. Oh yeah, he

933
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: saw that documentary. It was really good. I just forgot

934
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: that part. I don't remember why, but somebody tried to

935
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: assassinateh he got shot with and managed to live. Yeah, yeah,

936
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: would someone killed Bob Marley. I was just listening to uh,

937
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: Talking Blues this past weekend and Emily was like, why

938
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: is he talking so much in between the songs and

939
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: what language is that? And I went, he's talking because

940
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: these were studio sessions. It's called Talking Blues and he's

941
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: speaking English. Is just very heavily excent it. Yeah, you know,

942
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: like you need a subtitle almost we should do one

943
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: on Bob Marley. I think you're right man. Have you

944
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: ever heard his Dortmund Germany show from I think it's great.

945
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: It's not just one of the greatest Bob Marley shows,

946
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: not just one of the greatest reggae shows. It is

947
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: one of the greatest live shows of all time. Yeah,

948
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: check it out. Why that one? It just you know,

949
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: when you see a live show every once in a while,

950
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: everything they came together, just comes together. And it just

951
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: happened to converge on Bob Marley and the Whalers and Dortmund,

952
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Germany in nineteen eighty. It was amazing. Yeah, I was

953
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: at a show like that about a month ago. Should show, No, No, No,

954
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: just Albert Hammond Jr. But it was just you catch

955
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: someone on the right Friday night and the crowd, everything

956
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: just kind of came together to where you could see

957
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: the band look at each other going like, what is

958
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: going on tonight? You know? It was just one of

959
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: those things. I'm sorry I missed that show. I would

960
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: like to see you. I interviewed him for movie Crush.

961
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh when is that coming out in the next couple

962
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: of weeks. I can't wait to hear it. Yeah, he's

963
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: an interesting eye, I'm sure. Yeah. Okay, So where were

964
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: are we done here? Which do we need to know?

965
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: We need to talk about what's going on today? That's right.

966
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: I brought us up to today basically the idea that

967
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Kim Jong un, now that he has everything he wants,

968
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: would just turn his back on it. It makes zero sense, dude,

969
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: So what is going on? I don't know? Okay, Well,

970
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: how about this? Um let's talk about Up till two

971
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: days ago, there were there were basically four um ways

972
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: of dealing with North Korea that had been discussed and

973
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: bandied about. Did you read that Mark Bowden article? Yes, Okay,

974
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: so you know these four four prongs basically, I guess

975
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: that would be that'd be part of the last the

976
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, but their prevention, turning the screws, decapitation

977
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: and acceptance. Where where does patient what was obamas jam patients? Um?

978
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: That could be conceivably part of turning the screws because

979
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: it's sanctioned heavy. It's also in a way part of acceptance,

980
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: depending on your take on it. But there were there

981
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: were a couple that we need to talk about. Real quick.

982
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Prevention is a full on an attack on North Korea,

983
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: a preemptive attack on North Korea. And here's why no

984
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: one did that yet. No one's done that. It would

985
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: be a devastating loss of life. There would be literally millions,

986
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: if not tens of millions of people who died in

987
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: the handful of hours the first day following that attack.

988
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: They would be people who lived in Seoul, which is

989
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: forty minutes south of the d m Z, and they

990
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: would be people in Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan. They

991
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: would just they would die. Because the North Koreans have

992
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: not just nuclear warheads that are capable of hitting Soul

993
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: in Tokyo, right, So right there, you've got fifty million people,

994
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: more more than fifty million people, almost sixty if not more, UM,

995
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: who are just vulnerable in two cities. They also had

996
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: eight thousand what they call big guns, which could just

997
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: rain our chillery down on Soul for as long as

998
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: they were allowed to stay in intact. They also have

999
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: nerve gas and chemical agents and biological agents enough to

1000
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: kill many, many millions of people just by releasing this gas.

1001
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: We don't really have any means of of defense against

1002
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: a gas attack, which is one of the reasons why

1003
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: chemical and biological agents are just internationally outlawed. But if

1004
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: you're a hermit kingdom, you don't have to play by

1005
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: those rules. So the fact that they have had all

1006
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: of the stock pilot at least since is the reason

1007
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: why no one has just gone in and taken out

1008
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: North Korea, because it would result in a huge loss

1009
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: of life that just could not be um morally defended. Yeah,

1010
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: I mean, geographically it's so unique, Um, like you said,

1011
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: with Soul being right there, there's just no way around it.

1012
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: The I mean, the the brightest military minds have tried

1013
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: to construct ways to do this, and it's just not possible.

1014
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: It's just not so. So prevention is basically like, we

1015
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: can't do that, which is one reason why Donald Trump's

1016
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: bellicosity really made a lot of people nervous, because it

1017
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: made some observers think, oh god, he might go for

1018
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: the prevention um choice, which is not okay. Right. There's

1019
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: also turning the screws, which is basically like a series

1020
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: of drawn out attacks with pauses in between to let

1021
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: North Korean know this is not the prevention. But um,

1022
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: we're still going to hurt you. But it would leave

1023
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: Kim Jong hoon in power on purpose to keep stability

1024
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: in the country. There's decapitation like assassination, yes, yeah, and

1025
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: that that's just tough to do. Um. Well, first of all,

1026
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: the U S supposedly doesn't sanction assassination like this. I

1027
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: think the rest of the world would kind of be

1028
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: like on this one. But at least the way this

1029
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: writer sees it is that any assassination attempt would require

1030
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: at least some kind of inner circle cooperation. Um. And

1031
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: that's just impossible, they say, right, They're they're so dedicated

1032
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: that they even one person wouldn't be a turn code no,

1033
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: and even if they could get them, these people are

1034
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: so surveiled and watched that they would be Yeah, it

1035
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: would be. And then the last one is acceptance, the

1036
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: idea that we would just have to live with the

1037
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: idea of North Korea being a member of the nuclear States,

1038
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: and that's just that. The idea with acceptance is that

1039
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: then you create a framework to de nuclearize them, um

1040
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: by continuing with sanctions, by using carrots and sticks, and

1041
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: and hope that they will end up behaving enough that

1042
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: you can keep them from using their nukes. So here

1043
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: we are today with a complete about face, and a

1044
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of people say, okay, what's going on? And from

1045
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: what I understand, the talk is that South Korea is

1046
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: now headed by a president who's a liberal human rights lawyer,

1047
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: correct Moon jay En, and um the South Koreans and

1048
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: the North Koreans. We'd like to think of South Koreans

1049
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: as our allies, and they are, but they're also Koreans

1050
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: and North Koreans and South Koreans. They're Koreans, yeah, and

1051
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: they have family that are on the other side, right.

1052
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: So to be a Korean and say we want to

1053
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: just reunite, we want to end this this war first

1054
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: of all, but we want to reunite. To do that

1055
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: at the expense of the U. S having a post there,

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Speaker 1: you could see South Korea being like, okay, let's figure

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Speaker 1: this out. The problem is that leaves Japan extremely vulnerable

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Speaker 1: because don't forget, Korea was a colony of Japan as recently. UM,

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Speaker 1: and the US would very much like to have a

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Speaker 1: presence on the Korean peninsula UM either way, and North

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Speaker 1: Korea just wouldn't put up with that. So is that

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Speaker 1: the case? Because I don't see any scenario where the

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Speaker 1: US are just like, all right, well we're out of here.

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Speaker 1: Then you guys, good, we're out of here. Right. I

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Speaker 1: don't either, but I don't Also, I also don't see

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Speaker 1: North Korea saying yeah, we'll unify and US you can

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Speaker 1: stick around. It's going to be a very interesting few weeks.

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Speaker 1: It certainly is. And we could talk about North Korea

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Speaker 1: for ten more hours. But if you want to know

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Speaker 1: more about it, just start looking into it. It's a

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Speaker 1: fascinating country. Or go visit. Oh wait, you can't know,

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Speaker 1: you can't not anymore. No, Uh, let's see you got

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Speaker 1: anything else right now? Okay, Well, we said North Korea

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Speaker 1: in there, I think once or twice, which means it's

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Speaker 1: time for listener. Man, I'm gonna call this Walrus correction. Hey,

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Speaker 1: guys a little behind recently listen to Walrus podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: very exciting to hear some familiar places and names because

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Speaker 1: I've just gotten back from the Arctic in the last month.

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Speaker 1: I'm working towards my PhD studying Arctic sea ice, and

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Speaker 1: I spent six weeks in Small Bard recently. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know Chuck was excited to talk about as Alaska friend,

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Speaker 1: but now you can say you have another Arctic friend,

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Speaker 1: even if I technically live in Colorado. So, um, we

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Speaker 1: got something a little wrong here emailing you because, um,

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Speaker 1: you guys said Walruss can survive water down to negative

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Speaker 1: four uh, and then Chuck said even down to negative

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Speaker 1: fifty nine fahrenheit. I'm pretty sure you meant air, because water,

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Speaker 1: even with a lot of salt, does not get that

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Speaker 1: cold without freezing, certainly not below twenty degrees. I stand

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Speaker 1: by negative anyway. I've been listening since two thousand nine,

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Speaker 1: back when I was a baby scientist just working on

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Speaker 1: my undergraduate degree. Still love the podcast. I wish your

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Speaker 1: Denver shows didn't sell out so fast. That's from Erica Schreiber.

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Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, all right, you left just hanging there.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a car where like you

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Speaker 1: pressed the brakes, but the the it doesn't fully complete

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Speaker 1: and you just kind of roll to a stop and

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Speaker 1: it feels like you haven't really fully stopped, but you're

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Speaker 1: not moving any longer. I have no idea what you mean.

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Speaker 1: That means you have bad breaks? No, it just means

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Speaker 1: like a weird twist of fate happened. It's it's possible.

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Speaker 1: You don't lurch to a stop at all. That's what

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Speaker 1: you just did with that listener mail. Thanks a lot, Erica,

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Speaker 1: glad to hear that you made it back safe and

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