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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number turn in

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Speaker 1: seventy four and to date, we've got an expert slate

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Speaker 1: of guests for you, including Tony Peterson, Ben O'Brien, Spencer

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Speaker 1: New Hearth, and we're going around the table to get

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Speaker 1: you prepped just in time for spring. On all things

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting. Today we are taking a hard left turn

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Speaker 1: off the usual path of white tails and talking about

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Speaker 1: our favorite two footed, two winged big dragon and joining

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Speaker 1: me to talk turkeys are kind of once a year

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Speaker 1: turkey episode. To my left, I have our baritone from

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Speaker 1: another mother, Spencer New Hearth. Spencer, thanks. I'm in Montana,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we're at the Mediator headquarters, so I've

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Speaker 1: got a whole little people around me to pick and

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Speaker 1: choose from, and I picked three three folks talk turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Next in the line was Ben talk to me, Ben, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be on. I just feel like you're

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Speaker 1: in your description of turkeys and it's just your disdain

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Speaker 1: for everything but white Tails. I'm just not I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm happy to be here or not. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I have no disdain for anything but whiteout. I just

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Speaker 1: really really love white tails. Can you can you give

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Speaker 1: us like a dirty second? Uh? Intro though to what

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Speaker 1: it is you do, because we actually haven't had had

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Speaker 1: you on the show yet. I haven't heard about your

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Speaker 1: podcast yet. Yeah, I've been boycotting the show for a while.

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Speaker 1: She've been asking me to come on. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: finally caved. I finally caved. No, I have a program

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Speaker 1: called the Hunting Collective that's also a part of the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater Network. Um, the director of Hunting here at

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Speaker 1: the Flagship, and um, that's what I do. Excellent. Next

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Speaker 1: we got Tony Peterson. Tony, welcome back. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me man. And you're doing some podcasting now, right, I am.

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Speaker 1: I was the one guy left who wasn't doing it,

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Speaker 1: so I'm doing it. And I'm doing two of them,

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Speaker 1: which means which makes me like the person who gets

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Speaker 1: two puppies and things they can train them. Because it

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Speaker 1: was not not not the best decision I've made. I

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Speaker 1: should have spaced them out, but I didn't, So here

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Speaker 1: I am What are they about? Uh? The one that

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Speaker 1: the one that we started with is a sporting dog

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Speaker 1: talk and it's just my love of bird dogs And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're paying attention in this office.

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Speaker 1: My favorite meat eater so far as moose. I've been

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Speaker 1: sneaking out to pet that dog a lot sents of

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Speaker 1: pictures to my daughter. And then I've got another one

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Speaker 1: called Hunt for Real, which is just do it yourself

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Speaker 1: hunting stuff that I you know, not not white tail specific,

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Speaker 1: not bow hunting specific, but just the kind of hunting

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about. I like it. I always

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Speaker 1: enjoy talking hunt with you, So I'm interested here hunt

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Speaker 1: you do you want to talk about? It should be good.

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Speaker 1: Uh turkeys Turkey tour, Ben, You're doing this turkey tour,

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Speaker 1: which got me thinking that now would be a great

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Speaker 1: time for us to talk about turkeys all this group,

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Speaker 1: because we're least some of us are gonna be turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting together soon hopefully. What is this that you're doing? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I like to kill turkey's mark, as you know,

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Speaker 1: and most of them I shoot right in their faces.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, all of them. I don't I like to

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Speaker 1: have ever missed turkey. Oh yeah, so you don't shoot

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Speaker 1: all of them in the face, So I said most.

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Speaker 1: If you heard me talking, I said most, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the ones that die I get shot fair enough.

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Speaker 1: So this it started when I was hunting. I had

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Speaker 1: that quite often, unlike you know, some states like South

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Speaker 1: but most of the time, like you can choose your

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Speaker 1: you're way wrong, and here's why he was right, and

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Speaker 1: he was right. But I just feel though, if you

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Speaker 1: just think about the meat that you get off a turkey, right,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think I'll ever get to twelve. So

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Speaker 1: I think if I can get the double digits, that'd

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Speaker 1: be just fine. So it's it's a utility that I need.

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Speaker 1: The white meat, right, So I got last year, I

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Speaker 1: smoked a couple of breasts and sliced it for lunch

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Speaker 1: an white meat intake that you have. My wife's used

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Speaker 1: the dark meat is good too, Okay, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to make sure you're not hating me and tell

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Speaker 1: us we're just talking about all our legs and thighs

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Speaker 1: ideas um turkeys, you guys, about our legs and thighs

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Speaker 1: our turkey legs and thighs. So that's how it started.

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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to been trying to kill ten turkeys

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Speaker 1: But this year I've got it laid out to where

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Speaker 1: I might be able to hit my ten. So two questions.

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Speaker 1: Number one, is it true that several of us in

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Speaker 1: the office yesterday saw you put on a full body

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Speaker 1: turkey suit. Yes, that's true, okay. And the number two,

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Speaker 1: the suit. That would be something I like to kill turkey. Well,

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Speaker 1: being a turkey, I like to be an innovator, you know,

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Speaker 1: kill four is a nonresident there. So if I'm ever

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Speaker 1: back to Montana. We're going to set off. You, Spencer

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Speaker 1: and I are gonna set off for South Dakota, the

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Speaker 1: Black Hills. I'm excited about that. Yeah, a little public land.

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Speaker 1: I heard, like you said Newburgh was gonna be there, man,

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Speaker 1: who's doing this? How is it that this is your

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Speaker 1: Turkey tour? But you're asking Spencer about who's on the train.

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Speaker 1: an open We're open here at the which I love. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at the Turkey Tour. We're open to all commerce, Tony, Like,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome to come, listeners, listen whatever, We'll trap the pins.

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Speaker 1: We don't care. We want everybody to be hunting turks.

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Speaker 1: your guide like Ben mark Uh. There's also going to

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Speaker 1: So the crew didn't even like turkeys, though I don't

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Speaker 1: know he tried to. He he thought he had to

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Speaker 1: do you like him? Yeah? Well, and he's always said

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Speaker 1: As it's why so he doesn't like turkeys, but he'll

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Speaker 1: trap muskrats. I guess so I don't. It's a hard

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Speaker 1: to understand individual. Anyway, that sounds like that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: all consecutive days? Those will Yeah, Texas is next week?

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Speaker 1: Got you? So? So how many days in one fell

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Speaker 1: swoop of turkey on? You can do? Sevent I feel

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Speaker 1: at this other place. But there's like ten hour Johnson

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting along the way. Right, you stop, you get

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Speaker 1: a sandwich, look for turkey, I wrote, hunt. Yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course I do. I'm trying to get this is a

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Speaker 1: this is utility, bro. I don't have time to be

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Speaker 1: I don't want time fair chase or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Very busy, you're gonna shoot some white ones and if

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Speaker 1: you want to get ten two keys. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: a long it's a long shot. Let's just be honest.

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Speaker 1: What do you think your odds are, honestly like to

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Speaker 1: get ten? If you had to put, if I if

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Speaker 1: I was five bucks, big big, you're big, You're big,

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Speaker 1: Michigan boys really good deep. Uh. If I had to say,

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Speaker 1: maybe one in ten chance I could. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: all those different states. You know, truck breaks down, you

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Speaker 1: miss one of the states, and other than Texas, all

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Speaker 1: public lands too, and none of them you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: have you, I'll have Spencer as a guide on South Dakota,

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Speaker 1: but most of them will just be running the gun

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Speaker 1: kill four in Texas to have a chance. The rest

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Speaker 1: tough four in Texas. So I'll probably spend a little

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Speaker 1: have been more fun if he could have been gobblin

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00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 1: and I was calling and he was gabbling and I

427
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: was calling. I don't not look at it that way.

428
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was cool because it was even more

429
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: exciting to me because I had to do some work.

430
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 1: And I feel like you, like you ask a lot

431
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: of turkeys what a turkey's doing, they don't know. They

432
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: don't know because the equation is normally here bird and roost,

433
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: go to where bird is set up, call, bird comes

434
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: in or not, bird goes away, I find another bird,

435
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: or get around in that same bird. So you're not

436
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: really understanding its movements or where it wants to go

437
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: because then it's so susceptible to your calls at that time.

438
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: So when you get in a situation where you have

439
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 1: to actually learn its movements and understand like what it

440
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: wants to do and where it might be at a

441
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: certain time of day, rather than just manipulating its movements

442
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: and makes see if it works. I think that's a

443
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: little more. It was more exciting to me in that

444
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: way because I really had to. I mean, turkeys are

445
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: not They're not, dear man, that they see you and

446
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: if you move like they're not something you can still hunt.

447
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: They're not something you can just set up on and

448
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: hope they walk under a tree. You know, it's it's

449
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: not something that's not because that's not how you hunt them.

450
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: So to be able to do that was more exciting

451
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 1: for me. But I could see I mean I love

452
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: that more than any more than anything in the in

453
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: the woods, seeing a turkey strut, you know. So I

454
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: could see somebody being a little like if one just

455
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: I had one, I shot four bird. I don't have

456
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: four birds. Last year, two of them didn't gobble and

457
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: I didn't call him in. One was in the pouring

458
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: down rain in Florida. We were just nobody would sit,

459
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll just go sit rather than

460
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: sit to lodge, I'm just gonna sit in the sit

461
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: in the blind. I'd rather just be wet in there

462
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: than be drying. And I just had a bird come

463
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: around the corner with two hands pouring down rain, Like

464
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: I didn't I watch my pattern go through the rain

465
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: when I shot, and I just had a decoy on

466
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: and he just turned the corner, saw the decoy, and slowly,

467
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: just as a wet, cold, miserable bird would be, just

468
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: kind of slowly made his way over. I went to

469
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: the decoy and I shot him. So, speaking of the

470
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: rain and stuff, um, I'm always trying to and you

471
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: allude to his a little bit, but you have you, guys,

472
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: seen any somewhat consistent connections between certain conditions and gobling,

473
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: like when X happens, gobling is really great, like cold

474
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: front comes through a great goblin or this kind of weather,

475
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: this kind of anything is do you guys seen anything

476
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: like rules like that that you've identified, Peach weather Man,

477
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: I want the sun out in the morning and not

478
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot of wind, a lot of rain, anything like that.

479
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to be nice, nice spring weather. That seems

480
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: to be the best. Yeah, you get a lot of

481
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: wind or a like a random snowstorm that rolls through

482
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: in in April, or a ton of rain that typically

483
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: shuts down goblin. Like U s earlier about time of year,

484
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: I would say there are much more important factors, like

485
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: what the weather is doing that day, how much pressure

486
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: they've had, that kind of thing, because I think nasty

487
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: weather can really shut down turkeys. Yeah, I was talking

488
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: about that burn in Texas that was patternable. He was

489
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: only pasterable because nobody hunted him. There's a ranch where

490
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: like they just love to hear they didn't care about turkeys,

491
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: and so I was like one of the only guys

492
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: who cared about hunting turkeys. And this is you know,

493
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: I've watched that bird through spotting scopes do the same

494
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: thing based almost every day, Like he would make little

495
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: variances based on like if you saw some food somewhere

496
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: that he wanted to go. But he starts to learn

497
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: that that's that they are habitual in that in spring.

498
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: But they're always getting bumped off of their route. You know,

499
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: they're always getting somewhere different and they're all you know,

500
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 1: so you learn that about them. But yeah, I mean

501
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: when the sun comes out, I I always get your

502
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: turkey hunting and there's like a cloud and the sun

503
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: comes from behind the cloud, like you just picture that

504
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: gob would be like, oh yeah, yeah, and that's what

505
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's what that gobbles about sometimes, just like yep,

506
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: let's do this, you know, feeling good. So I think

507
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: that's sometimes, you know, the best reaction. Yeah, I've certainly

508
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: seen the same thing. But I've seen that with the rain.

509
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: One thing that I remember reading a long time ago

510
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: and saw it to be truth. I think there's lots

511
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: of times when the steady rain you'll get these birds

512
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: often go out to the middle fields. Um. So that's

513
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: like one thing I feel like pretty consistently have seen.

514
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: So if it's raining, I'll go obviously because you know

515
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to see him. Yeah, have you

516
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: guys found any other like what do you do when

517
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: it's raining or what do you do when it's snowing

518
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: and shuts things down in that kind of way? Do

519
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: you guys have a go to for that kind of

520
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: unique circumstance? But so two years ago I killed a

521
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: turkey in a blizzard in the Black Hills where we'll

522
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: be um and I wrote about that story for Field

523
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and Stream. But it's a blizzard roll then it was

524
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: really nasty, uh, And it was like I only had

525
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: a few days in the Black Hills, and prior to

526
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: that it was like seventy degrees and beautiful, um, and

527
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: so I felt pretty good about where I was going

528
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: to find these turkeys because I had seen them there

529
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: before and they were not talking, they were not there. Um.

530
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: It just had to shut them down, basically. So I

531
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: got in my pickup and I drove and drove and drove,

532
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: and I finally, Uh, the snow was like super fresh

533
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: because it was constantly coming down, and I cut some

534
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: turkey tracks across your driving specifically to do that, to

535
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: try to tracks just like sea turkeys anything, because the

536
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: Black Hills are a lot of national forest um and

537
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: so like basically I threw my turkey hunting plan out

538
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: of the window and gotten my pickup because I only

539
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: had a few days. Uh and and basically road hunting,

540
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: that's not what it ended up being. I cut some

541
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: tracks and found some turkeys on a bit of public ground.

542
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: But uh, if it's super snowy or the weather is

543
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: really nasty, I don't know if there's much you can

544
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: do out there to like Killy Gobbler, So yeah, if

545
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: you man, if you got a lot of ground, though,

546
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I killed the bird in the Black Hills in the blizzard,

547
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: and it was basically what you said we were on

548
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: in this bird that he would roost above this you know,

549
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: it was a pretty big creek and as the damn river,

550
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: and he would roost above it. And then he I

551
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: hunted for two days where he would just always fly

552
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: to the different side if I was on one side river,

553
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: so much would fly to the other side if I

554
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: was on the other side. And it was it was

555
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: flying up to roost and flying down from roost. That

556
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: happened to me four straight times where he just did

557
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: the exact topsit thing of what I've who was wanting

558
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: him to do and had planned he might do. And

559
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: so I just remember it started snowing, and I thought, well,

560
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I gotta get up and trying to find a bird

561
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: hunkered away somewhere. If I could find a gobbler hunkered

562
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: away trying to stay warm and some kind of like

563
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: right Parian corridor, a bunch of like tall grass, I

564
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 1: can find one like, then I can crawl him up.

565
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: It was windy and cold, I can crawl him up.

566
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere, and he's gonna want to stay tight.

567
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: So I ended up finding a bird just on this

568
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: like back side of this this old lady's house, and

569
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: there was a ridge behind it that went all the

570
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: way down to this river, and there was two or

571
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: three gobblers just kind of tucked up in this little

572
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: behind this little bank, this little clay bank. And I

573
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: saw him from the road over the lady's house. Said, hey,

574
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: you mind, fine? She said sure. So she's like, yeah,

575
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: there are there there all the time. I was like, okay, good.

576
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: So so I parked my truck and went around and

577
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: crawled up the hill and crawled right up to him

578
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: and shot on. It was a big gobbler's one of

579
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: the bigges scholars ever shot. And that works someplace in

580
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: the Black Hills because there's a ton of public ground.

581
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: There's a ton of people who will allow you to

582
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: hunt because there's not like a ton of hunting pressure,

583
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: and so it's not a common to even find private ground.

584
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: If there was a snowstorm in a bunch the turkeys

585
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: hunkered down in some feed lot or whatever, that you

586
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: would be able to get permission. I'm not saying that

587
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: works everywhere, because it doesn't, but Black Hills are kind

588
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: of an exception to that. Rule if it wasn't that case,

589
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what you define a snowstorm Turkey. If

590
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: you have like a least property or a small properties,

591
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: like you know, you're not going to get a trade around. Yeah,

592
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: so you know, the rain thinks pretty easy, I think.

593
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you get out to the fields, and I

594
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if they're doing that because they

595
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: feel safer out there, you know, because they're some of

596
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: their senses are a little bit dull if you're in

597
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: a rain. But you know, they may be eating worms.

598
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Who knows, right. But one thing that I see a

599
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: lot of people they don't hunt in the wind. And

600
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I used to go down to northern Missouri,

601
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: where where I grew up in southeastern Minnesota. The first

602
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: like big out of state hunt ever did was just

603
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: driving northern Missouri and camp on public land and one

604
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: of the first birds I ever killed down there. Um,

605
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: it was super windy. You know, we're camping in a

606
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: ten It was like thirty mile pro hour sustained winds

607
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and we had to hunt, nothing else to do. So

608
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: I went out in the morning and I was I

609
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: just remember walking along through the spot and I got

610
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: behind this hill and it was like quiet, just to

611
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: hit that little micro climate is probably not the right word,

612
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: but it was just down wind. You were out of

613
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: the wind. And I looked up in the trees and

614
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: there was turkeys roosted all over. I could see them silhouette.

615
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I just sat down started calling that first light. Big

616
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: Tom flew down dumped him, and I was like hmmm.

617
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: And so I started paying attention to if it's windy

618
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: the night before, where are they going to roost? And

619
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: so like, you go to some places in Texas or somewhere,

620
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: there might just be a roost right where that's the roost.

621
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: But a lot of places you go to the you know,

622
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: drift less area in southeastern Minnesota and it's bluffs or

623
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: you know a lot of places. I've seen it in Oklahoma.

624
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: I've seen it in Nebraska. If the wind's coming in

625
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: a certain way in the evening, they're going to roost

626
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: according to that, And you can play off of that

627
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: a little bit and so not then you're not taking

628
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: yourself out of the game and saying I'm not gonna hunt.

629
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: You can at least start with some kind of strategy

630
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: and they you know, they may not be gobbling as much.

631
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: But if you can get if you can get in

632
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: on them, which you usually can if it's windy, then

633
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: you can be set up where that bird that might

634
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: not work in a traditional situation because it's windy, he

635
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: might go, well it's worth it, you know, or it

636
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: gets light out he sees your decoy hundred fifty yards away.

637
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: So there's something to that. So you're saying that they

638
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: tend to roost in areas like back under a ridge

639
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: or something kind of shelter to get shelter, right, Is

640
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: that what you're saying. I see it a lot if

641
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: they if it's available to you know, sometimes train doesn't

642
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: do it. But it's the same thing. Like you know,

643
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: you just sometimes if you're if you're hunting elk early

644
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: season or you're hunting white tails or something, you walk

645
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: into a place and it's a little cooler and you

646
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: can feel it. You know, they're a where ever those

647
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: animals live out there, they know all those little microclimates.

648
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Or the deer that if it's hot, he goes in

649
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: beds in the in the corn field where you know,

650
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: where you can catch the wind just right in the

651
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: soil is cool or whatever, and they know all that stuff,

652
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: and like like Ben said about we a lot of

653
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: times we don't really know what's going on out there,

654
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you know. It's part of it's we're not watching their

655
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: day to day patterns in the circuit they're making, and

656
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: we're just kind of like dipping into their world hoping,

657
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: hoping it plays out our way. Then we dip out.

658
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: And the more you more time you spend out there,

659
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: you see stuff like that happen. You go, that's not

660
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: an accident what they're doing. Oh yeah, yeah, I learned

661
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: that then Iowa a couple years ago too. I mean,

662
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: you just like we're hunting John Dudley's place, and you

663
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: just could get up on a bluff and watch these

664
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: turkeys do their thing like and watch him come out.

665
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: When it was nice. It would if it was sunny,

666
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: right off, they would fly down all the roofs and

667
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: go strut right and then they would get in some

668
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of bottom or some river bottom, and they would

669
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: feed in there and they would feed up. They were

670
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: feeding up into a direction where they know they would

671
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: hit this top food plot, and when the afternoon would come,

672
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: the gobbler would be out there by himself strutting right,

673
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: he would leave his hands and go out and do

674
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: a little show, and then they would drop back down

675
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: and kind of work their way back to where they started.

676
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: And we killed some birds just doing that, you know.

677
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: But it was also just you learn them like a

678
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: lot of turkeys hunters just don't do. You don't learn

679
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: like you. It would be hard to consistently kill whitetail

680
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: if you if you couldn't, if if you had no

681
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: idea what they did, that it would be imposcess. The

682
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: greatest silver statement I've ever heard. If you're just like,

683
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I'll just go what I'll do is I'll just go

684
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: sit in a tree close to where I think they are,

685
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll grunt and rattle and then I'll kill him.

686
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Like you would never one you would ever learn anything right,

687
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and two you would never do you would It would

688
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: be terrible. I'm gonna say this, that's not an untried practice.

689
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Like I mean, there are people out there who are

690
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: doing exactly what you just described there, yep, And they

691
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: might every once in a while you might get yourself

692
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: with a nice buck, but it's not going to be consistent.

693
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: But I think that's what turkey hunters missed. So often

694
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: is that there is this. You know, all birds all

695
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I find. All birds are different. That's what makes turkey

696
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: hunts are damn fun. You know you've run into you may.

697
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I have had stretches where it's like this is too easy.

698
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean when I was living in Illinois, I every

699
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: opening day, I'd take that first season, just like you,

700
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: the first season. I'd get my tag, and I like,

701
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: first season, that's what I want. I give my first

702
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: season tag, and I never hunted more in an hour

703
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: or two. You know, this is a little bit of

704
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: light scouting and find a bird and have a nice

705
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: day and bamp done. You know, so you get in

706
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: those grooves where it's like this is easy. Then you

707
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: get to like a swamp bird in Louisiana that just

708
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: like lives in mangled mess of nothing and will not

709
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: do what you need him to do. And then you

710
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: think like this is impossible. You know, you go somewhere

711
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: like in Texas where they won't gobble, and you're just

712
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: like I see him. When they're gobbling, it seems like

713
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: they're everywhere. When they're quiet, it seems like there's no turkeys.

714
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: So it's just a different deal. It's funny. How the

715
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: expectation of things changes your experienced so much like I

716
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: don't hear deer making noises all the time, but I

717
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: know there's deer around. But the same to your point,

718
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: when I don't hear turkeys and like, godd damn it,

719
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: they're just because you go into your elk is the

720
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: other one, Like it's just an expectation, dude. I love

721
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: walking around the hard woods and looking for scratching and

722
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: looking for like, Okay, what's he scratching at? Like what's

723
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: what's he getting at here? You know, and looking for

724
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing. What tree are they under right now?

725
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: What are they doing this tree? But why are they

726
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: doing this route? Why are they scratching here? This is

727
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: where they're comfortable. If they're here scratching, they would have

728
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: to be where they're comfortable or where they're you know.

729
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: There's always seems to be like these midday hideaways that

730
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: these turkeys have. Most turkeys have where they go when there,

731
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: they don't want to strut, they're not after a hand.

732
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: They kind of just want to be safe and sound.

733
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: So it seems like I've seen that with turkeys all

734
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: over the country that they kind of act like that. So,

735
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: speaking of these other things that you're seeing all across

736
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: the country, you guys have hunted some more diverse places

737
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: for turkeys than I have. Um, you're talking about roosting

738
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: locations and how when do might affect roosting locations you

739
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: have always obviously there's like your kind of generic big

740
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: kind of horizontal, big roosting type branches on certain trees

741
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: that you tend to think of that will be a

742
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: great roosting spot. I've also heard sometimes that turkeys will

743
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: like to roost overstanding water, where they can be overstanding

744
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: water but then then fly down to something dry relatively nearby. Um,

745
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: have you guys seen any other typical kind of If

746
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I see that, I'm thinking that could be a good

747
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: roosting spot. Um, that stands out that you look for

748
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: keyan on so called the good ones mark. I was

749
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: gonna say over water. Well, you know what I wonder

750
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: about the over water thing is that because in some

751
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: places the only the best place to fly off will

752
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: be around where there's a low spot of stay any water. Yeah,

753
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean it seems yeah, I mean it's not they

754
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: don't like looking down at fish. I mean they do

755
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: it because they have a fly off spot. Yeah, but

756
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: I also think it's there's a safety I heard too,

757
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: like the predator can approach from only one one side,

758
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: you would think, right without making a bunch of noise.

759
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's probably not as prevalenced what

760
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but it could be. But I've seen,

761
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've watched birds. I mean we had were

762
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: there in Mexico and those birds were flying a hundred

763
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: feet in the air. I didn't get to see it,

764
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: but you guys are talking about it. I mean they

765
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: just they flew off plane cliff. So we were me

766
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: and our media to CEO Kevin Slim. We're sitting down

767
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: waiting for Steve and you were with him. Steven, Mark

768
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: and Cal are coming off this ridge. We're gonna all

769
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: meet up and go to a different spot chase CU's deer.

770
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: And we looked up in the air. Got a video

771
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: of It's not very good because they're so high up

772
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: in the air. We looked up in the air like,

773
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: what's that like, buzzers, what's what's I mean, I'm talking

774
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: a hundred feet in the air. I mean it was high.

775
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: There's these turkeys who must have flown off of how

776
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: one of these high ridges and we're soaring in the

777
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: wind like like they were, and in a flock like

778
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: almost in a flying v just soaring in the wind.

779
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: And they landed on this ridge and they just watched

780
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: them walk up like normal. I've never seen like that

781
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: in my light wild and they were I mean gliding,

782
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean floating in the air, not as you normally

783
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: see them dropping at a fast pace like they were

784
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: just making their way over to that ridge. And I've

785
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. Why usually envision turkeys, you know,

786
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: just like they were thrown off a cliff and they're

787
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: just kind of stumbling through the air. But I said, yeah,

788
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: that's what turkeys. They're just I feel like turkeys sometimes

789
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: aren't that hard to figure out, you know. They they

790
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: fly with the wind their backs, like they like the

791
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: places where they're not in the wind right when they roust.

792
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: You think they come off the tree with the wind

793
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: to their back. No, they fly up to the roost

794
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: A lot of times the wind they're back. So I've

795
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: seen them like posture on a ridge and like wait

796
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: till the winds right go up and fly in. I've

797
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: seen that, um so I've seen a lot of things,

798
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: but seen him. They like Tony was saying earlier, they

799
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: like to be out of the wind. They like to

800
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: be out of the elements. So if they can get

801
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: in a big tree branch and in a tall oak

802
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: or something with a big canopy, they like that. Like

803
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: they like to be at to have a ridge at

804
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: the to block the wind. Sometimes they like to be

805
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: in a place where the sun first hits um. You

806
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: know like that. You know, you know what I think is,

807
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, we keep talking about or you keep talking about,

808
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: they're the pattern or their behavior that we're just not

809
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: paying attention to. If you start hunting them in the fall,

810
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: when you take the breeding instinct out and it's just

811
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: survival food and you know, Lazarins repeat, you see how

812
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: patternable turkeys are, and it's it's incredible what they're you know,

813
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: the scratching you're talking about scouting. If you find a

814
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: place they like to go eat today at ten o'clock

815
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: in the morning, they go there tomorrow. And the only

816
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: difference in the spring is that they get the breeding thing,

817
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: that randomness, and so it's like elk. When you talk

818
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: to somebody who's consistent on elk. You know, you have

819
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: that X factor, right, But for the most part, to

820
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: to hedge their bets, they're like, Okay, what do they

821
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: need now? Is it sanctuary? Is it food? It as

822
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: the water? Is it what? What's everything they need? And

823
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: then you just throw that X factor in. Turkeys are

824
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: the same. We just don't give them as much credit,

825
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: but it's the same thing going on out there. And

826
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Sam soul old Head probably the best description for turkeys

827
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. He said that they are rumbas with feathers,

828
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: because like they get out there and they're like gold

829
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: at a ways and they hit a fence and they're

830
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: like just turn around, and then they go somewhere else

831
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: and they hit like a creek that they don't want

832
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: to fly over, so then they go another direction. So

833
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: like turkeys, yeah, they're they're patternable to an extent, but

834
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: like in the woods, it just seems so random. They

835
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: look lost. It's not random, it's not man well, sometimes

836
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: it seems that way. But that's why as turkey hunters

837
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: you feel really good. I call it a bird in

838
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: South Dakota over a freaking river and we I was

839
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: just calling to him just to see what he would do.

840
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I was not thinking, he's not gonna fly over that

841
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: to come over here, and he did, and the dude

842
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I was with shot him and I was like, wow,

843
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: that means does that mean I'm good? He's willing to

844
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: do that? Just but you could have another bird and

845
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: you could call just the same notes and he's not

846
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: even interesting, you know. So it's just that's the great

847
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: thing about turkeys, Like one is gonna act totally different

848
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: than the other, and like then those interactions are patternable, right,

849
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: But every once in a while you get a bird,

850
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: it's like, what's he doing? He wouldn't be doing that?

851
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: He how was he drunk? And you would ask about

852
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: like like if you could identify a tree, you would

853
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: be good roosting just by looking at it. And that'd

854
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: be tough without seeing a bunch of sign around it,

855
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Like the turkey crap is an obvious one, and I

856
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: think it's like j turkey crap is uh male and

857
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: just like piles of it as a female or whatever.

858
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: That's one thing you can look for. And if turkeys

859
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: use that area often there will be so much sign

860
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: that you cannot possibly miss it, Like there'll be feathers,

861
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: uh they'll be you know, areas where they were scratching

862
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: or dusting and stuff like that. So and I come

863
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: from South Dakota where there's a lot of fractured habitat

864
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: um And what I'm getting at is you could look

865
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: at aerial topography or you could drive by a property

866
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: from miles away and look at and be like that

867
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: has You're in it for sure, no doubt about it.

868
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: There's white tail that lived there. But that's not always

869
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: a case with turkeys. It would be challenging in a

870
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: lot of Midwestern states where there's like the fractured habitat

871
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: to know that every draw or whatever is going to

872
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: have turkeys just because it looks good. So so what

873
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying is a lot of times you have to

874
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: see them there or something, or see the overwhelming them

875
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: on a sign to know that there's turkeys in that area. Yeah,

876
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: there's some places, like I've seen it in Florida with

877
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: less in Florida, but in Texas for sure. Like Tony

878
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: was saying, there's like a roost trip and you're like, oh, well,

879
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's great. That's my favorite. Although it's my

880
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: favorite and my least favorite because it's only if you're hunting.

881
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: It's good. If there's other hunters around, it's like they're

882
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: all I definitely have seen, like in a handful of

883
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: places that I have like consistently hunted year after year,

884
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: that there certainly are like consistent locations, Like I always

885
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: know there's a chance that we're going to hear birds

886
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: roosted in that little pocket, and if they're not there,

887
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be over this swamp right there, And

888
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: like I've always wondered and tried to start identifying why,

889
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: what's the why around that? But sometimes they did a

890
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: little wonky. Well, let's say it's good to think about

891
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: different turkeys in different places and try to, like, is

892
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: there similarities I've seen, like slews almost always seem to

893
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: have slews a big overhanging branches. Some for some reason

894
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: it seemed to always have turkeys. I've seen that in Louisiana,

895
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: I've seen it in Texas places like that. Are there

896
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: any speaking of that kind of regional peculiarities, Have you

897
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: guys seen any really stand out differences in behavior or

898
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: even necessary tactics that you guys have found from one

899
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: region to another, Like does something stand out like, oh gosh,

900
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: if you're hunting in the South for turkeys, you really

901
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: gotta do x or they seem to be so different

902
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: in why way? Is there anything that stands out from

903
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: your experiences? The turkey purists will say that like Easterns

904
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: are the hardest to kill, They're the hardest to talk

905
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: to you, uh, the hardest to a fool. But I

906
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. South Dakota has Easterns, Riels,

907
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: and miriam So I've hunted all three. I've killed all three.

908
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: I think there's way more dependent on like the topography

909
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: and the amount of pressure that they have, the amount

910
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: of turkeys around. All those kinds of things I think

911
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: are much more important than if you are in Ohio

912
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: or Wyoming, or what subspecies of turkey it is, you

913
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: know what I think about that. So when people say

914
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: Eastern birds, we think of the subspecies, but I think

915
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: we're conflating the subspecies with the region. And I think

916
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: the reason that people say that so much is because

917
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: there's just been you know, just like down South in

918
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: some places, there's been turkey hunting going on a lot longer.

919
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: So if you go hunt a place that turkeys haven't

920
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: been hunted, they're stupid, they're just easy, and you get

921
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: that accumulated pressure, and you get more people who have

922
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: grown up around turkey hunting and done it more. It's

923
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: just I think that's what people are generally referring to.

924
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: But then when you say that, then everybody's like, oh,

925
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: the Easterns are the hardest to kill, and it's like, well,

926
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: go hunt some Miriams have been pounded on for six weeks,

927
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: like they're not easier rios or it doesn't matter. And

928
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: so I think, at least in my experience, I think

929
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: it's just pressure, not only like pressure from this year,

930
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: but the pressure from the last four decades on general population. Yeah,

931
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: I had I had that point too. I thought I

932
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: was really excited to say it. Thanks for I had

933
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: build up in my mind like wait till I say this,

934
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be shocked, And that was exactly

935
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: my point. No, I I agree. I've seen Eastern birds

936
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: be easier than could possibly be the subspecies I've seen,

937
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: like I've had a lot of really dumb Merriam experiences,

938
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's not because that they

939
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: have white tips, that's because they live in a place

940
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: where not a lot of people turkcount if you go

941
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: to the South, I've had more trouble killing birds in

942
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: the South than anywhere that I've hunted. And I believe

943
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: it's because there's more people hunting them. And then it's

944
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: not because those Eastern birds down there are you know,

945
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen Eastern birds in places where they're

946
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: not hunted do some really stupid things. And I've seen

947
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot of Miriam's an open country just walking the plagure,

948
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Man, Like why are you

949
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: going over there? And they just don't. That's where you

950
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: get like the puffed up room thing. But I think

951
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: when they're they're stressed and their pressure, they become different

952
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: like any animal, right, Yeah, you know what the best

953
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: part about any subspecies that you're gonna hunt is there's

954
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: Jake's and every one of them. Yeah, so it doesn't matter.

955
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: That's about like regional things too. And one thing I've

956
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: noticed in South Dakota there's not a lot of bobcats.

957
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: They're they're pretty rare. If you like, a lot of

958
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: guys who hunt their whole lives in that area rarely

959
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: see one. But the places where guys get trail camp

960
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: pictures of them. The place where I've seen them in

961
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: person are the absolute best turkey habitat, and there's the

962
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: most turkeys. There is the best turkey hunting. And so

963
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can apply that to

964
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: other areas, but I have found in South Dakota, where

965
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: there's not very many bobcats that where they are or

966
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: where guys are aware of them is also just stellar

967
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. And I'm guessing it's because bobcats nail turkeys,

968
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: um eat a lot of them. So there's a reason

969
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: for that obviously, because eat have sex with Yes, thank

970
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: you for that. So we all needed that clarifications thinking

971
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: about the audience here, Yeah, so so, but you're saying one,

972
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: one might assume that an opposite relationship might be present

973
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: if if bobcats are nailing by nailing, I say, eating

974
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: many turkeys, that in that instance you would see lower

975
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: turkey populations or your typical predator prey up and down,

976
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. I can't stop thinking

977
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: about it. Can you imagine how violent? And oh my god? Yeah,

978
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: that's non consensual, you know, so I can see that

979
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: you're going absolutely so anyways, I think there's still a

980
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: few bobcats. Like they pick the ideal places where they're

981
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: gonna go for the hoops. Yeah, that happens to be

982
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: where there are a bunch of turkeys. So, like I said,

983
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I know how much of that you can apply to

984
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: other areas, but maybe if you are in an area

985
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: that rarely has bobcats seen, or like your state just

986
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: has some bobcats. Uh, what I found is that where

987
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: they like to hang out is also the best yawning.

988
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: So you should go scout bobcats sign for your turkey spots.

989
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Sure if if you have an easier time finding that.

990
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I would love to find someone who would just dedicate

991
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: their next turkey season to the Spencer New Heart approach,

992
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: like base your entire season around. There are no bobcats

993
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: on Florida, some of them no turkeys either either. And

994
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: then maybe if if someone really did spend that much

995
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: time scouting bobcats, they might actually document the um the

996
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: rare but majestic scene of a bobcat nailing a turkey, Like, oh,

997
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: bobcats nailing turkeys? See it all the time you need.

998
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: As soon as I started hunting bobcats instead of turkey,

999
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: that's okay. I want to hit a few more like

1000
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: key things, almost rapid fire. Um, you talked about this

1001
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit already, but the part of the day

1002
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: you talk about, you're gonna hear more gobbling or early probably,

1003
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: But then you mentioned many cases that very killable birds,

1004
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: a late morning bird. You had to pick though, if

1005
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: I forced you to say, you only pick this our

1006
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: window or two hour window, this part of the day.

1007
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Which part of the day do you pick? Tony tending

1008
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: noon tendon. He keeps taking all my answers, Mark, what

1009
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: do we do? I got start sending then first come on. Yeah,

1010
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: tend to say, yeah, I I like that window, and

1011
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: that's probably when I've killed my most turkeys. But I

1012
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: like being there when they're on the roost yet and

1013
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: just knowing where they're at because I don't have a

1014
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: ton of patients for turkey hunting, and so if I'm

1015
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: out there before sunrise and I know there's a bunch

1016
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: of turkeys in this one draw, that will keep me busy,

1017
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: I'm satisfied hunting and that killing one, whereas if you're

1018
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: other midday you're kind of blind. Um, that's a tougher

1019
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: hunt for me. Yeah, I've definitely experienced what you guys

1020
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: are talking about. It always seems like there's that lots

1021
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: of goblin first thing in the morning, and then they

1022
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: come down and then if they're not coming to you

1023
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: then and if you can't move, like for example, one

1024
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: of the properties I hunt a lot, they roost on

1025
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: the neighbors and they come down unless they come right

1026
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: to me, which happens like one on ten times. Maybe

1027
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: then they're gonna take off the apposle direction and I

1028
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: have to wait like two or three hours, but I

1029
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: know eventually they'll circle back and buy ten thirties something

1030
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: will circle back through. Um. So, so while I know

1031
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: that to be true, and those dudes seem to be

1032
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: killable birds, there's something about that on the roost first

1033
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: thing the more like I love that so much. Like

1034
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: that those that our experience, whether or not you kill

1035
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: something is is my favorite thing about turkey hunting. I

1036
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's very few other things in hunting then

1037
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: involved that type of approach though, Like can you imagine

1038
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: if you're hearing white tails and they were just laying

1039
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: in the tree like there they are, right, We're gonna

1040
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: get down, We're gonna get under the tree right near

1041
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: where he is, and when he jumps down, I'll make

1042
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: a noise and they'll come on. We'll nail him, and

1043
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: we'll nail It'll just nail him real good. I just

1044
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's that's very unique to turkey hunting. So

1045
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it for that reason because

1046
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: it is unique. You're not doing that with I think

1047
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: it's like the verse flush. Yeah, that's kind of but

1048
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: that that, like that first gobble, the first gobble of

1049
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the morning, like that is like a chill inducing moment

1050
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: every time for me. That hasn't gotten old for me yet.

1051
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: You're walking out there and you're just waiting and waiting there.

1052
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to make it adendom. I would like to

1053
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: be out in the Do I get to be out

1054
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: in the woods at first light and then only hunt

1055
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: from tender noon? Or do I not? You had to pick?

1056
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Do I have to go out at ten? Oh? Man? Yeah,

1057
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: if that's the case, I'm going out first light. You are, okay,

1058
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: So it's three to one, you lose, Tony. But I mean,

1059
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: if I could, if I could go, if I could

1060
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: go and like wash the turkeys and then only hunting

1061
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: from tender noon, Like, the most successful time period is

1062
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: gonna be tending if you want to kill one. You

1063
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: know why that window is so good because that's when

1064
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: the bobcats are nappy, they're so tired. There's time off. Man,

1065
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: this is the best turkey on in podcast we've ever done.

1066
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: Um okay, ideal decoy set up? What do you run like?

1067
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: I know there's lots of different variations, but if you

1068
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: had to pick, like the most tried and sure that's

1069
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: going to work the most often? What is it? Ben? Sorry,

1070
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I gotta give Ben because something really smart And I'll

1071
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: be like that again. It very much depends on like

1072
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the time of year. But if I'm like early season,

1073
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: it's like the first hit in the ground, I'll probably

1074
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: just go with a jake and a hand and just

1075
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: depending on what the top the topography is or what

1076
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: the field looks like or what the piece of woods

1077
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: looks like all and then like, how do you like

1078
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: to position them? Heads up, heads down, angle towards you like?

1079
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: I want specifics? You want specifics. I've I've done a

1080
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: lot of different positions. Um, I've done almost done it

1081
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: and almost a position you keep your composure, I've done

1082
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: it a lot of positions with a lot of different

1083
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: variations animals. I'm to have a child, it's mind, um,

1084
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: it's I've done. I've done the laying down hen and

1085
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I had a lot of success with that, with a

1086
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: jake face and like facing off tours where the birds

1087
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: are coming from, kind of that challenge I've had a

1088
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: lot of success with, like I'll do it if I

1089
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: do it, if I have a fan on, I'll face

1090
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: the fan away from where I think the turkeys are

1091
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna come from, because like a lot of times, and

1092
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: then I'll try to make sure as the wind blows,

1093
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: if I got a thing that will move that it'll

1094
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: turn to the way where they can see the profile

1095
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: of the turkey's face. I think it's like subordinate birds

1096
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: will oftentimes turn away from a gobbler and kind of

1097
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: show them their side. So I try to do that sometimes,

1098
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: but it's such so many ways to approach it. But Spencer, Yeah,

1099
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: I think the safest bed it's just a single hen

1100
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: or a hen into jake. But more often than not,

1101
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I run a single hend that's facing me the way

1102
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: for Tom sees it comes in. Tom wants to be

1103
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: facing the hen and they can't see me drawing my

1104
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: bow or bringing up my shotgun whatever that is, and

1105
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: hens doing what general standing up? Yes, well, and I

1106
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: use a decoy that it's hard to um have variety with.

1107
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: I use the Montana decoy because I like to like

1108
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: throw to my backpack and go in somewhere not be

1109
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: sure where I've set up. So with that it's pretty

1110
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: much always just standing up, um and head up. I

1111
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: think the one that I use the most is like

1112
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: a hen feeding head down and then a jake behind

1113
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: her head up. Um has been but then I've also

1114
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: ran kind of like you said, Ben, with a full

1115
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: struck gobbler. And I like to face the fan tours

1116
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: where I think they're to come from, not because for

1117
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: the reasons you describe, but just because I feel it's

1118
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: more noticeable, Like I just wanted to see that big

1119
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: fan and like catch their attention with it. Um. That's

1120
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: a big part of point though too, that's a big

1121
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: part of it. But any like you're just thinking of

1122
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: I want that goblet or to be thinking that's a subordinate. Yeah,

1123
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: that's interesting because especially if he's with a with with

1124
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: another because I've had a lot of I've had a

1125
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of times, like Spencer said, where I just wish

1126
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I had a hen out there. I get out there,

1127
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: this bird comes in, he just locks up, like I

1128
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: don't want to know if I'm into that right now.

1129
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight. And so there's a lot

1130
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: of times I wish I just ran There's I would

1131
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: say that most times I think that my decoys have

1132
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: screwed up my setup is when I wish I just

1133
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: had a hand, I had a strutter out or something

1134
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: like that, or even a jake sometimes did uh did

1135
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: Ben take your ideas? So I I think I think

1136
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: from more from a bull hunting perspective, and I think

1137
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: you can do I think you can get away with

1138
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: different stuff if you're only shotgun hunting. But for me,

1139
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: the early season stuff starts with as many decoys I

1140
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: want to carry, usually that's four, and it will be

1141
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: a quarters strut, jake over, a laid down hand, and

1142
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: then probably a feeding hand and upright, always kind of

1143
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: working in the same direction. You know, you think about

1144
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: turkeys when you watch them, they're kind of always moving

1145
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: in the same direction. You see people put them out

1146
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: face and it just looks unnatural. And so I'm thinking,

1147
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: if I'm in the morning, I'm like, Okay, they're coming

1148
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: out of the woods, probably if I'm in a field

1149
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: edge or something, so they're all going one way, or

1150
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: in the evening I might reverse it. I don't know

1151
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: if that matters, but I use I use David Smith's

1152
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: and throughout the season, I'll pay it down, so I'll

1153
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: eventually go to just the Jake decoy and the lay

1154
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: down hand, hopefully in some place where she's visible, you know.

1155
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: And so so why are you paying it down at

1156
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: that point, because I've had like you're talking about birds

1157
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: flaring or you know where you just wish you had

1158
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: that single hand. I don't know why this is, but

1159
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: I have better luck with more decoys early and throughout

1160
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: the season as I and I end up pairing down,

1161
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: if it's by about May tenth, I'm down to a

1162
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: single hand. I don't like that Jake anymore. They're not

1163
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: fighting as much. There's no pecking order thing going on,

1164
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: and so it just seems I seem to get more

1165
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: effective early with a lot of decoys and later with fewer,

1166
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: and in in certain situations, I don't use a strutter

1167
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: a lot, but if I've been able to scout and

1168
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: I've seen that bird that has a bunch of hands

1169
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: with him and he's a stud. If you can figure

1170
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: out where that bird likes to be and put out

1171
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: a strutter, he'll come. And so that's a situational thing.

1172
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: But that's not something I use season long. That's like

1173
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: April early April, and so it just it just depends.

1174
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: But I like as a bow hunter, I like really

1175
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: realistic decoys. Then get away of changes. If I'm shotgun hunting,

1176
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you should get into like having confidence decoys,

1177
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: like start bringing a dull white tail with you and

1178
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: put up, you know, an m or like a heron

1179
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: or something like that, the water follow approach. I've actually

1180
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: put turkey decoys. I know, what's up with him today?

1181
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: What would you say? A blue heron? Yeah? You here,

1182
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: bends over next to me, texted Ronella, like, man, you

1183
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: screwed up on this. His turkey hunting strategies bizarre. Here's

1184
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: what I do. I get a blue heron once I

1185
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: figure out the bobcat density of a region, a commission

1186
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: of blue hair. Here's what I like to do. I've

1187
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: determined there are a lot of bobcats around, So what

1188
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: the first thing I do is, So, did you have

1189
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: anything else? I was just before Spencer derailed us with

1190
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: heron No, I'll let it go. But yeah, so they're

1191
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: all confidence equation. Now I'm picturing I'm picturing him and

1192
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: like going out through a field of blue heron legs

1193
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: and sticking out of cannot wait. I can't wait for

1194
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: the south to go down. That's gonna be so. So

1195
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: then let's hear what your bizarre calling strategies, Like, what's

1196
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: your calling strategy first in the morning on the roofst

1197
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: how's it transition during that late morning period we talked about?

1198
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: And then do you call in the evenings? Uh? So

1199
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: we're run out of time, so I'm just gonna make

1200
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: it quick. But like I try to not overcall. I

1201
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: think that's a mistake you can make. Um. And that's

1202
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: what I did early in turgey hunting. Um. And as

1203
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: I become a more successful turkey hunter, my calling has

1204
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: gotten less ben Yeah, I mean I would agree with

1205
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: that as far as like times of the day I

1206
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: keep going back to. It's hard to answer that, just

1207
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: just to know, like I try to stay real silent

1208
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: off the roost, like I like to let them zero calling,

1209
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: not zero, but I like to really read them off

1210
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: the roost if they're if they're just lightening up on

1211
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: the roost. A lot of birds will light it up

1212
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: in the rust, but a lot of birds that have

1213
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of predators around will light it up on

1214
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: the roost and fly down and shut the f up,

1215
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: you know. So, so I like to be quiet for

1216
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: that reason around roost time, let him fly off, kind

1217
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: of read them a little bit, what are they gonna do,

1218
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: and try to be more responsive in that way. During

1219
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: the midday, I'm gonna like let it fly a little

1220
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: bit harder, try to get somebody's attention, and the same

1221
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: thing kind of in the In the evening, I'm gonna

1222
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: hopefully be in a spot where I know they're kind

1223
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: of coming to me, so I'm gonna let them be

1224
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: a little vocal before I get fired up. But I mean,

1225
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: it just really depends, you know. Yeah, I feel like

1226
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: I've always thought cut to your point. I was just

1227
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: like you, Spencer. Early on, I used to call call

1228
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: Call every time the gaveled, I want to call back,

1229
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: and it was so much fun um. But then I realized, yeah,

1230
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: oftentimes the best, the most effective call was sometimes the

1231
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: playing hard to get no call, so you let him

1232
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: when you're there, but then you you pull back and

1233
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: they're thinking no, like they should be coming to me.

1234
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: They should be coming to me, and I should be

1235
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: hearing them. And then that doesn't happen, and the gablers like,

1236
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: what the hell, I gotta go figure out where she

1237
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: want And then sometimes you get the half hour later

1238
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: you come strolling in. So I've always kind of taken

1239
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: the approach that I find him on the roost. I

1240
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: like to try to just at least no make enough

1241
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: noise to know that they know him there, so I

1242
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: want to I'll help you help, and then I get

1243
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: a responsible Okay, he knows him here, Now I'm gonna stop.

1244
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: And then I usually play just like you did, and

1245
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: then the same deal late morning, then try to get

1246
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: something attention. A lot of times I'll get up and

1247
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: just start roaming at that point to trying to strike

1248
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: one up or here, one of the distance and make

1249
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: a move on it. The evenings I struggle with like

1250
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: just because they're not talking by me, at least very

1251
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: little talking. And then to your point, I've always tried

1252
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: to just hopefully kind of know where they're headed, get

1253
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: in between their roam around, make noise hopefully something strikes up.

1254
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Tony, I feel like you're the liar. Well,

1255
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: tell tell us what we're doing wrong. I'm I'm a

1256
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: caller man. I you know, the thing about the early

1257
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: part of the day is you're you're almost always talking

1258
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: to somebody and so you're you're just gauging the conversation

1259
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: on how he's responding. And it's easy if they're if

1260
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: they're on the roost, they're going to respond a lot,

1261
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't You could call a lot and

1262
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: get in response, but it's not doing any good. You're

1263
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: you're taking that temperature the rest of the day after

1264
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: you get like that like nine o'clock lull or whatever.

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm a caller man, and part of it is because

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get hens piste off, and so we're

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00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: always like, oh, I gotta get that gird, that gobbler

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: to go. But a lot of times, you know, if

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00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: they're traveling with that little flock of hens or something,

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: that there'll be one dominant hen in there, and I'm

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00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: trying to like I'm cutting to her hard and going

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00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: a couple of different calls at a time, usually a

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00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: mouth call in a like Slate calls a lot, and

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I can cut, just cut and yelp and yelp and yelp.

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00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: And this this came from my fall hunting, where the

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom is, hey, be super quiet, be cautious, and

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: to get him. I kind of think a lot of

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00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: times like they need some encouragement. And if you're good

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: at it, where they're like, there's something going on I

1280
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: don't want to miss. Or if you can get that

1281
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: Hen where she's like I don't want this this chick

1282
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: talk and smack to me, you can get them to

1283
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: swing closer. And if the Hens comes seventy five yards

1284
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: that Tom might come right in. And so I don't

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm not real shy. Yeah I'm. Everybody says, well, I'm

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00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: either I'm called shy or I just let it rip.

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00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I've been with a lot of guys

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: that just sit in a blind with him. You're like,

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: let's go, man, let's go. You can't this bird is

1290
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: fired up, like he's coming, Let's give him a show

1291
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: like let's And I've been other guys like shut the

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00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: funk up there like it not. What I do is

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: I call every five minutes. Yeah, yeah, we get it,

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00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: like just like all real like all real thork is

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: just an every five minutes. So I it's hard to

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00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: know kind of what the right thing to do is.

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00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: But I've I've I've had the most successes personally reading

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00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: the bird first. Right, So if I'm on a bird

1299
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: and he's on the roosts and he's hammering, and the

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00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: hens fly down first, and he waits to fly down,

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: and he doesn't immediately strut like he just kind of

1302
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: follows to them into the timber or something like, okay,

1303
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: but if he flies down first and hits the strut,

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01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: then it's on. So that I'm going, I'm going to work,

1305
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: but it just it starts that way. But in the like,

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: if you're in the middle of the day, you just

1307
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: like be loud, to be proud something like you know

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned evening, same thing. What do you got to

1309
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: lose if you if you have birds that aren't vocal,

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01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: you can you can kill birds in the evening. They're

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna be traveling, that's the thing, so they might not

1312
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: be sounded off, but they got a destination in mind.

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01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: You can if you if you get after him a

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of times you can get them to go yeah, yeah,

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: did you sit? Yeah? I like to sit on that

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: path right just kind of get know that man, they

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: roosed here a lot, even if they're not being real

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: vocal right now, like I'm gonna get in between where

1319
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: I know I think they're headed and just stay silent,

1320
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: but be a little bit more vocal and just you know,

1321
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: seem desperate, seem you know, it seems like you got

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: something real to say to to the birds. All Right,

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: I gotta leave at the airport. Um so we're gonna

1324
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: wrap this up real fast, but I want to I

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: want to end with two final like rapid fire things.

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Speaker 1: First off, Ben, turkey vestor no turkey best turkey vest

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Turkey vestor turkey no turkey backpack, Spencer backpack absolutely no

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: turkey vest. It's like the pencil protector of the turkey.

1329
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Ye Like, look at that, Neube. I love my turkey best.

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: I want to hear. I want to hear everyone's turkey yelp.

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01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: Mouth turkey yelp right now, and we'll pick who's got

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: the best natural mouth turkey yelp. Ben, what do you go?

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: I feel like my microphone could be faulty. I don't know.

1334
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: Let's see what you got hold on. Now, there's a

1335
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: lot of pressure you guys right on that. Yep, yep, yep.

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01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm not gonna let you nothing chide me

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: into this. No, nothing, absolutely not really, Tony. I have

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01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: twin seven year olds. We turkey call all the time. Okay,

1339
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: that's a harbor seal. Yeah, I don't. I don't like

1340
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: the eye contact with me. I got word real fast,

1341
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: all right, And Spencer, what's your best bob cat call?

1342
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: That was like Mark Wins. That was good Mark two

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: years again. Mark, let's go a little he's looking at

1344
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: me now as he looking like it's weird. You don't

1345
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: need a turkey vest because you don't even need a call.

1346
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's why you stupped using him.

1347
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: I did. I was not aware that the turkey vest was.

1348
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I love my turkey vest, dude. I've stand by that

1349
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: sucker and we're proud. Do you do you run the

1350
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: turkey vest with the built in butt head? No? No, okay, okay,

1351
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be against it, though I carried up with

1352
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: a Fannie pack. Yeah. I could see Ben rocket past

1353
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: at the same time, I would if I could, like

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: a little fanny pack. I keep my little scratch pad

1355
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: in the two night to have turkey tour fannie packs.

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01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: We're in South Dakota where south code. You're gonna hear

1357
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: this like crinkling, sound like what's been he's eating crackers

1358
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: are get out? He likes to say, I have all

1359
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: those calories during turkey. Yeah, No, I love my best.

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: What I do is I have my best. It's got

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: all my calls, my shells. I just go into my garage,

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: I get it out of the bin and I'll throw

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: it in the truck and I go. We know how

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01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: they work. And on that note, let's wrap this up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys for taking time to talk turkeys. Thanks man,

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it for us today. So thanks

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. I

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: had a hoot, We laughed a lot, We covered some

1369
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: really good content. I think when it comes to turkey hunting,

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: and with turkey season opening up for a lot of

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01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: us anytime now, it's a very exciting time of year.

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait for those first gobbles. I actually just

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01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: the other day saw some turkeys across the road from

1374
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: my house and took my son on the front porch

1375
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: and tried doing some yelping at him and stuff, and

1376
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: that just got my blood pumping. I can't wait take

1377
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: him out in the woods. So hopefully you guys have

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: some great experiences coming up soon. I will stop rambling.

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01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: I will thank you one more time for being listeners

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: of the Wired Hime podcast, and until next time, stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt. H m hm