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Speaker 2: Oh, look inside of my soul and you can find

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Speaker 1: And there is a difference between a hit and Valley

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Speaker 1: Yes, And then then they do a dateline and it

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Speaker 1: You get a date line.

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Speaker 3: He says he didn't do it, but his Google searches include.

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Speaker 1: The one where they recapped with the husband killed the wives?

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Speaker 2: Like like they just more ship drops every day. It's like, Uh,

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Speaker 2: He's engaged.

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Speaker 1: To her, he said on his Snapchat.

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Speaker 2: not skin it right, guys, fatal attraction is the black one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's the same thing with the women killed the man.

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Speaker 2: No fatal attraction is men or women getting killed. But

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I would have said, snaps,

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Speaker 2: But I think all the canceled movie people haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: It's enough cancel people to get uncanceled.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why they're waiting for everyone to uncancel

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Speaker 2: sure you check out the Cancels come in July to

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Speaker 2: Why don't y'all just I'm just saying people might not

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Speaker 2: But it's something about the new uh, the new customer

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Speaker 2: These fucking entitled ass customers who are like tweeting through

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Speaker 1: That's why they do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, why are y'all just just It's a

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Speaker 1: Some people that like nothing is ever supposed to go wrong.

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Speaker 2: You are crazy. An average human men would be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: next uber. Like it's just something's wrong with you, not

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Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like those type of entitled

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Speaker 2: sorry that your package was late. Are you gonna be

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Speaker 2: and I'm diligently trying as hard as I can, and

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Speaker 3: So let's start with some prompts.

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Speaker 2: Don't you don't get to talk to me until we

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Speaker 2: and do you got what you said? And you just

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Speaker 2: Right? So anyway, that's the ship I think about.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that, but that makes complete sense.

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Speaker 2: it's we're so sorry, you know, Like they don't do that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, uh, I'm going to run some tests now.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I am so sorry. That this happened

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Speaker 1: You can reaches at www dot dukepower dot com right now.

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Speaker 1: And now, okay, I am I better about.

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Speaker 2: And then I got to deal with anger that I

435
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: don't deserve.

436
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I don't know what else to do.

437
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: I went thought the prompt, but I am better about that.

438
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 2: The worst thing is as an EmPATH, the fake customer

439
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 2: service sympathy thing they do it. It sucks because by

440
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: the end I feel like I'm apologizing to them. But

441
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm the one that had the problem, y'all. So it's

442
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: like I'm now on the phone with this motherfucker, like no, don't, don't, don't,

443
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: don't be hard on yourself, man, Like it's not your

444
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: fault that my package didn't give you didn't personally switch

445
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: it from UPS to FedEx, So it's gonna be okay,

446
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: and listen, I don't know what I'm gonna do, sir.

447
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm like, please stop

448
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: beating yourself. No one died, It's okay, yeah, it's terrible.

449
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: And last thing, because I'm not I don't feel like

450
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: talking about trumpel out to day. But Mitt Romney wrote

451
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: a strongly worded letter to Trump, and he ended it

452
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: with I might not support you in twenty twenty. I

453
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: might not endorse you, Milt Rodney. He is so milk toast.

454
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: And I don't mean it, m I l Q not

455
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: that one.

456
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean milk toast like you took some warm toast

457
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: and dipped it into just some room temperature milk and

458
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: it was off soggy and shit, and no one wants

459
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: to eat that. No one.

460
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: That's Mitt Romney as a candidate, as.

461
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: A human being. And all the quote unquote good Republicans

462
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: are the same to me, They're the same they Oh

463
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: Trump is so I'm so not like him. I will

464
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: go along with his tax plan in his borter wall,

465
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: but he's so ridiculous, I mean, grabbing mana pussy. Hell No,

466
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: I do support to women not having the right to abortion.

467
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: Note, oh my god, what a terrible, terrible person.

468
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: Shut down the government and no taxes, no taxes, nobody,

469
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like they're the fucking words. I hate him,

470
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: milk toast. All right, let's get into the news. Lots

471
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: of news have been happening. Okay, I guess the number

472
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: one thing everyone's talking about might as we get into

473
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: it now, uh.

474
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: Ra Kelly, the Robert Kelly, the pedophile.

475
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: Who makes me music. Anyone's listen to the show long

476
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: enough knows how we feel about the motherfucker and have

477
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: felt since the inception of the show. I still remember

478
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: when we used to get emails and ship when I

479
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, yeah, you clearly a fucking pedophile,

480
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: So I mean, oh, for real, a black man. I

481
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: was like, are y'all serious right now?

482
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: The government trying to take a black man down, protect him,

483
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: you know.

484
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: And I feel like society in a way, at least

485
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: black culture in a way, has come a long way

486
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: from the time when R. Kelly, especially when that sex

487
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: tape quote unquote rape tape actually came out with him

488
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: having sex with underage girls. I feel like we've come

489
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: a long way from that in some areas, you know.

490
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: I feel like black women and black feminism is more

491
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: prominent now, especially an online spaces.

492
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: These voices have always been here, but like you said

493
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: the Internet it gives people a chance who was normally

494
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: modulized to actually have a larger voice.

495
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the social media aspect of it. It's really

496
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: kind of helped in some extent. To some extent also

497
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: the Internet, the sleuthing abilities, the ability to take something

498
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: that would be a local story and make it a

499
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: national story, the ability to take what black people have

500
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: always done right. We've always had oral histories, We've always

501
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: talked to each other, We've always to each other our

502
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: stories and shit, and then E spreads that way and

503
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: it becomes the history that we have. Well, I feel

504
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: like we're now at a level where that sort of

505
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: thing takes place on the Internet, and on the Internet

506
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: it can be shared a million times by a million

507
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: different people, and a bunch of people see it and

508
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: they see, oh, this thing that would have been like

509
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: a local hush hush rumor is now a global thing.

510
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: And a lot of what R Kelly's the opposition to

511
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: him has become has been shining light on places that

512
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: were dark. It's been local hush hush stories becoming national

513
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: rumors and then confirmed and all that type of stuff.

514
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: And it's really is much a story of the advent

515
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: of social media, the globalization of media, the ability to

516
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: have access to the storytelling mediums, whether it's TV and

517
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and there's a million moving different pieces.

518
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: There's egos and stuff that are involved with the production.

519
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: There's there's people trying to make comebacks off of the

520
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: backs of the production. There's there's gonna be a you know,

521
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: anytime you tell a story like this, documentary like this

522
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: where you have a bunch of people talking about sexual assault,

523
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: a lot of survivors giving their stories, there's going to

524
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: be millions of different opinions on how things should have

525
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: been handled. You know. I saw before we went on

526
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: the air, soon saying like the survivors involved didn't get

527
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: paid off of the documentary, which you know, I don't

528
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: know what kind of money's changed hands, where money went,

529
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: or any of that stuff. So I saw people kind

530
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: of nitpicking about that. I saw people talking about what

531
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: does restorative justice means. I saw people talking about the

532
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: people that were involved in the documentary as far as

533
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: like who was on camera and stuff. There's like a

534
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: million different agendas and moving piece and that's kind of

535
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 2: one of the things that makes it so hard for

536
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: stories like this to get light is because there's a

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: bunch of people with different reasons and different protections and

538
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that involved.

539
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: But basically the documentary is called Surviving R.

540
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: Kelly. If you haven't watched it or you don't know

541
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: about it, you're probably just not on social media, because

542
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: if you're black in social on social media, there's no

543
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: way you didn't see people talking about this. No way

544
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: you might not have seen it yourself, but there's no

545
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: way you didn't see people talking about this.

546
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: I almost didn't.

547
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: Watch it, to be honest, because I feel like as

548
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: a show, we have consistently been on that motherfucker's ass

549
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: the whole time and never really fucked with him.

550
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: The most we got for for R.

551
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Kelly and his ILK is ridicule, mocking jokes, anger like,

552
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: we don't really have a lot of We have no

553
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: protectionism for him. I don't care that he's a black man.

554
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's not a conspiracy. I don't It

555
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: doesn't I'm not gonna ever deflect to what about white people.

556
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: It's he's a monster and discourage to our society and

557
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: to our culture, and the fact that he still exists

558
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: and is able to even uh make a living doing

559
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: any level of entertainment. Uh, is a it's a huge

560
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: pock mark on on on the culture, you know what

561
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, it's not to say that no other

562
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: culture has it, but I care about us and the

563
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: fact that he's still is moving around and people are obviously,

564
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, supporting him is sad. You know, whether it's

565
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: the people that listen to his music and go to

566
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: his concerts, whereas the people that enable his predator his

567
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: predatory stuff that he does to young black girls. Because

568
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: he's not a very like smart man as far as

569
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: like reading, writing and shit, So he's not even planning

570
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: all this shit. He got people around him that literally

571
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: help him do these things. So it's a six part documentary.

572
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: I think it was on Lifetime. Yes, we watched our

573
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: six parts. I thought it was a good documentary, to

574
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: be honest, I was kind of surprised that they got

575
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: so many people to tell the truth about themselves and

576
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: their involvement.

577
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

578
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: That was the most shocking part to me than anything else.

579
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: What did you think about the documentary?

580
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: It was a lot. It was a lot to take

581
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: in some of the things you know, people have heard

582
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: for years, but it's different between that and you actually

583
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: seeing it and you actually seeing the victims, and you know,

584
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: hearing the stories that you know you kind of heard

585
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: some of them I've never heard before. I'm just keeping

586
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: it real because this is in Chicago. We nowhere near Chicago,

587
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: So people that are in Chicago and in the Chicago

588
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: area they know a lot about this, and a lot

589
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: of people in the area for years particularly, have been

590
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: coming out on social media, but like, yeah, he been

591
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: doing this shit for years.

592
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been doing this doing that.

593
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: So people in the area were more informed than people

594
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: outside of the area. So for a lot of people,

595
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: they were kind of hearing not the they were hearing

596
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: more of the stories or some of the stories they

597
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: didn't know about for the first time. Like I said,

598
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: it was a lot, a lot of heartache, a.

599
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: Lot of pain, a lot of.

600
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Turmoil. It was.

601
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: It was just a lot.

602
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: And you know, because you know, I lived through a

603
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: lot of that and a lot of the songs and stuff,

604
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: it was just going, okay, so this was happening at

605
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: this time. This was happening at that time, and for me,

606
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: it was more of connecting the dots and you know,

607
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: placing things in certain time frames. Certain periods of time,

608
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: and like I said, my.

609
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Overall story was it was a lot. Yeah, I think

610
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: it was a lot for everybody. I think everybody also

611
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: feels like they need to have like a complete black

612
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: and white take on it immediately and have a complete

613
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 2: like synopsis, and I understand everything that happened.

614
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: I don't, to be honest. And then as far as

615
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: my personal.

616
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: Relation to R Kelly and all the people involved, as

617
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: people know I talk about on the show, I didn't

618
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: really grow up at R and B person like an

619
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: R and B head that just with it wasn't me.

620
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: I know some nineties R and B because that's just

621
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, but R and B just.

622
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: Not my genre like that.

623
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: So I didn't really have an attachment, you know, to

624
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: R Kelly on anything more than just like an entertainment

625
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: level or whatever, and just kind of knowing his music.

626
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't necessarily a fan. I don't really go to anyone's concerts.

627
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: And then even and then everybody knows how I feel

628
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: about celebrity, So I never was one of these like

629
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: this person is blank, because I you know, my dad

630
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: was my hero, my mom is my hero. I don't

631
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: know these niggas. None of them raised me. None of

632
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: them are my friends, They're not my homies. I don't

633
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: want to be like them any of that shit. So

634
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: I never idolized the dude either, So coming at it

635
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: from that angle, my personal thing was when And also

636
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: I think that's the hardest part for people to take

637
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: back and go back in their minds to the period

638
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: of time we didn't have social media like that. No,

639
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: we did not, So a lot of this stuff was

640
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: bits and pieces that people knew but not all put together.

641
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: It's always funny when people show like a magazine clip

642
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: and they're like, they wrote about it and Vibe. I'm like,

643
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: not everybody read Vibe. Not everybody talked about what they

644
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: read in Vibe. That was just as good a chance

645
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: that shit was on in Vibe and nobody was really

646
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: walking around discussing it unless they were really big fans

647
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: of the artists and read the article, and you know,

648
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: it didn't even necessarily become news, Like you can have

649
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: an article and Vibe about this dude's criminality and it

650
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: not be on the actual news news that night, because

651
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: people did kind of consider that as separate, like entertainment

652
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: and not really a story, So I know there were

653
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of stories I had not heard or

654
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: I had only heard bits and.

655
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: Pieces of stories.

656
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: And I'm glad this documentary exists because they put a

657
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: lot of stuff together. Some of it was new to me.

658
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: Same you know, or you're gonna say something, I'm sorry, Yeah, same,

659
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: some of us new to me.

660
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: And also when you talking about that in the age

661
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: of the Internet, that shit matters because you can have

662
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: it on the Chicago Sun Dimes. Like I said, if

663
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: you are outside of Chicago, you never heard about.

664
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: It, and especially not and especially the details because see

665
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: some of the stuff, because of the savage nature of

666
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: its crimes and the accusations. There were also organizations that

667
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: just weren't covering it right like they they would intimate shit,

668
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: but they weren't gonna give you no details. You know this,

669
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure it was very triggering for people, and

670
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: they had all kinds of trigger warnings and this is warning.

671
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: This is about d D before every break everything. But

672
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: even with all that, some of the people went into

673
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: graphic detail about I did this to this child, you know,

674
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: I touched this, I did that, Like they there wasn't

675
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: any like code switching to it it was and I

676
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: and honestly, we didn't really have that when when this

677
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: when all this ship was actually going down, there wasn't

678
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: all that detail, you know, at least in the places

679
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: that cover this was supposed to cover this type of news.

680
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Some people do feel like, well, it's specifically because it

681
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: was black girls that this stuff wasn't covered and people

682
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: didn't care. And I don't think you can divorce that

683
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: from the context. I think that's that's true for a

684
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: lot of people, but I think also the Catholic Church, right,

685
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: I think also uh shit, Larry Nasser in the USA gymnastics,

686
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: we as a society do not value girls period. And

687
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: then black girls it's even worse, you know, because one

688
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: thing I will say that was completely different in the

689
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: response to like even Larry Nasar Nasa or whatever, the

690
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: USA gymnastics sexual abuser and r Kelly. That has infuriated

691
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: me for so fucking long, and you know, we talk

692
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: about it all the time. But it's the fact that

693
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: black girls didn't get to be girls like I, you know,

694
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: and I've had discussions with grown ass men who they

695
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: refused to be like a fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old

696
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: girl that is black, it's still a girl. You know.

697
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: It's no that she grown enough to you know. It's

698
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: that shit where I'm like, now, that's the difference to me,

699
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: it's not that the abuse doesn't happen. Abuse happened so

700
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: much in our society and men being trash. Pretty much,

701
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: anytime some dude gets power, eventually you gonna someone will

702
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: use that system. Whether it's mentorship, whether there's this entertainment

703
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: industry unspoken contract, take you under my wing type shit,

704
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: whether it's academia, you pick politics. We find in every

705
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: avenue that there are men that are powerful. There will

706
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: be men who are also abusive of that power, many

707
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: times sexually.

708
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: But the defense of the men varies.

709
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm not like society pretty much defends all the men, right, white, black, whatever,

710
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: But the defense of the men does vary by the victims,

711
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: it absolutely does. Like that's the thing to me that

712
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: you can't divorce the racial context of this is because

713
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: and it's not just white people, it's us. It's our

714
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: people who are dismissive. And it's not even just men,

715
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: so keeping reck. I'm not saying men aren't the ones offending,

716
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: but for the defense of these men, it's not just

717
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 2: men defending them, like we vilify these girls, we turn

718
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: them into like seductresses or some shit, you know, because

719
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: we love to talk about how somebody's too grown, somebody's

720
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: too fast, everything except this motherfucker is a monster, right,

721
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: it's everything except that.

722
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: And I think that was.

723
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: You know. It's like there's moments that remind me how

724
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: much I've curated my life because I don't fuck with

725
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: people like this, you know, but they are prevalent. There's

726
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: a lot of them. When I say we've changed, we

727
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: ain't changed that much. We've changed since that tape came out,

728
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, we've changed, but we ain't change that fucking much.

729
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: People still think these little girls are just fresh and

730
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: where were their parents, and that you know, that's what

731
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: they get. And if that's what she wants, she grown

732
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: enough to do to have sex, and she grown enough

733
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: that we are absolutely still plagued by people with that mentality.

734
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: You know. I don't have it on my social media.

735
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: What happens to me is I see it whenever, like

736
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: there's an article like I follow like the Root Real

737
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: Baller Alert these people on these new publications on Facebook,

738
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: click the comments every time, every time, and I'm glad

739
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: I clicked them because I needed to be reminded, because

740
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: I've killaned up my life to be like, if you

741
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: fuck with that kind of shit, you know, not to

742
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: fuck with me. I'm definitely not the one. But those

743
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: things they remind me how toxic we can be as

744
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: a culture and how much we are so fucked up

745
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: because of white supremacy. Like it fucked us up. It

746
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: allows us to believe the worst in each other as

747
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: far as like our children are actually predatory sexual beings

748
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: that that just trap these rich black men' like what now?

749
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: What now? You know it's that type of thing. And

750
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: it's it's the people that you know, when you see

751
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: these comments, they getting hundreds of likes and all this shit,

752
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: so like it's there's people that agree or find it

753
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: funny or don't argue back and forth, like it's not

754
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: such a I don't know, it's not such an atypical

755
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: opinion that these people have, And so that has been

756
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: one of the things that's been eye opening, is watching

757
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: that and being like, damn, it's still so fucked up,

758
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, like y'all still think it's a game, you know,

759
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was you know, the documentary in itself.

760
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: I think the Iliyah stuff was interesting because I didn't

761
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: get attached to Alia in the way that I know

762
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: a lot of my peer group did, especially black girls. Yes,

763
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: they loved Ali. I did.

764
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: I remember when she died. I was actually in college.

765
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say somehmore sophomore, sophomore, junior, sophomore in college,

766
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: and it was like all bt ye. Everybody was shocked

767
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: and people would just cry. It was just literally sad,

768
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: and it was one of those things where I just

769
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: knew she was really really young, and so I was like,

770
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: what is happening? How did this happen? And you had

771
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: heard the rooms about her and r Kelly had quote

772
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: unquote got married, but a lot of people it was

773
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: like the fuck is that?

774
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, that's another thing. And so the

775
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: documentary goes like, yeah, there was rumors they were married

776
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: and they broke on MTV. But once again, this is

777
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: before we had social media, so it wasn't like MTV

778
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: broke this news and then we all went to our

779
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: Facebook page and saw it or it was on Twitter.

780
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: It was like MTV broke this news, and then like

781
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, we gotta ask him about this,

782
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: and when they asked him, it was like, oh, no,

783
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: that's not true. It didn't happen. Okay, But then now

784
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: you're being sued and the marriage has been a note,

785
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: so it did happen. Well, we're just not talking about

786
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: it no more. It was just different, And I don't

787
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: think that part can be expressed enough because it's a

788
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: big part of one, Like people keep going why was

789
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: this allowed to happen? Blah blah blah, that's a big

790
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: part of it. Time. Yeah, I don't think. I'm not

791
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: saying people can't still be fucked up and pedophiles and

792
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: all the shit, but he definitely is a person that

793
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: got caught by technology catching up to his ass. If

794
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: it was like how many times that documentary is something

795
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: about technology? Be the thing that really tripped him up,

796
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was like, oh, yeah, well,

797
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: we've looked on our phone on our phone thing and

798
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: we found our daughter, you know, we went on this

799
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: website and we found this, you know, So that was

800
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: one of the things. But yeah, the Leada thing was

801
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: so weird to me because when I heard that rumor,

802
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: because it was still a rumor to a lot of

803
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: people at that time, I was leaving, like, but he's

804
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: a grown man and she's a little girl, right, you know,

805
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Like to me, it was just kind of like and

806
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't old, like I know, and and and I'm

807
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: not saying this is some like because I'm better than everybody.

808
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: I knew. I was a weird though when I was

809
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: a kid, because I wasn't on the necessarily the same shit.

810
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: And that could just be that I was socially more

811
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: of a nerd and I was more of an outcast anyway,

812
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: so I wasn't really socialized with the same boys that

813
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: were on some like, you know, I'm just trying to

814
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: get some sex or that's what you do with girls,

815
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: you just fuck them and all this shit. I really

816
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: wasn't on that, So it could I'm not saying it

817
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: could be circumstance. It could not be the way my

818
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: empathy is set up or the way I was raised.

819
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: It could literally just be circumstanced, because I really feel

820
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: like we're societally pushed into certain paths, and I think

821
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: none of us is necessarily better than it. We're all

822
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: victims of that circumstance. And I'm not saying this to

823
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: pass judgment on folks to be like, I wasn't with it,

824
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: but I can only tell the truth, and the truth

825
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: is I wasn't with this shit, you know, And I

826
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: thought it was weird then, and I never understood how

827
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: it was okay with so many people that that.

828
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: It happened that way.

829
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 2: And as Chris from the movie Trailer Reviews was saying

830
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: on Twitter, I saw it kind of was the idea

831
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: that the people that were older than us didn't necessarily

832
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: come down on him either, right, Like no one stopped

833
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: and said, hey, hey, this right here, this is wrong,

834
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: and this dude something is fucking wrong with him, and

835
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: like that's crazy. You should not even support him, and

836
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: people like him are terrible. The people that did everybody

837
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: dismissed right. Well. Also, there's another part of this. There's

838
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot of r Kelly's in the world. They're just

839
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: not rich, famous and keeping a sex code. But there's

840
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: a lot Almost every girl I know, if not every

841
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: black girl I know, was propositioned by some older man

842
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: while she was in high school or junior high school.

843
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: When I was you know, like when we were kids,

844
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: there were twenty something year old, Yeah, twenty something year old.

845
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't so far fetched that there would be some

846
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: dude who was definitely trying to fuck and date underage girls.

847
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was young and dumb, and I you know,

848
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where not trying to fund it,

849
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: they teach you that that shit is normal.

850
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not.

851
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: And so that's a societal thing, correct, And I know

852
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: it's not just a black thing. This is not me

853
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: saying only black people. Please don't write us with some

854
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: stupid shit, because I'm not saying those things. But it's

855
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: definitely a part of the culture. Like it's definitely something

856
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: that people considered normal, like, yeah, you're you might be

857
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: twenty four, but hey, you know, it's if it got

858
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: grass on the field, and that's all these types of sayings.

859
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: It was that they're dumb and they're stupid, and there

860
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: is a fucking lifetime of maturity between a sixteen, seventeen,

861
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: eighteen year old and the twenty one year old and

862
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old. The way you process shit

863
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: ain't the same.

864
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: And they try to sell Aliyah specifically on some sex

865
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: shit like she was fourteen, sixteen or whatever, and it

866
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: seems that a lot of her imagery was crafted by

867
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: r Kelly, and it worked because it works on little girls,

868
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: because little girls want to be seen as older at

869
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: the age. So I think a lot of the attachment

870
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: and this is just my I don't know, I'm not

871
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: a part of specialist in this, but it seems like

872
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: to me a lot of the black girl attachment to

873
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: her was that she was being seen as grown at

874
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: a young age, and you know, people looked up to her,

875
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: idolized her, and that's something that you know, at that

876
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: age a lot of girls long for is to be

877
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: seen as mature already, to be seen as influential, already,

878
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: to be seen as sexy already not maybe not sexual, right,

879
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, but like, oh, everyone

880
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: agrees that you're like the hottest, the coo. She had

881
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: the little like think the one bang over her all

882
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: the time, she had, you know, the baseball calves and

883
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: the mid drift popping out, but like the checkered shirts overhead,

884
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: and like she was just like a cool, very fashionable

885
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: all this stuff. But what we didn't know is that

886
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: a lot of that imagery is crafted by R. Kelly,

887
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: who's fucking that's the things he decided are the best

888
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: about her. Right. You know, according to the doc, you know,

889
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: she first came on the scene at twelve, and she

890
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: didn't really have a style. She didn't have a thing.

891
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: And when you see her auditioning as like this little

892
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: girl in the dress.

893
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: And smiling out and then you see r.

894
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 2: Kelly kind of making her a little bit more quote

895
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: unquote thugged out with the baseball calves and the jeans

896
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: and all this shit, and you're like, oh, yeah, they

897
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: wanted to grow her up kind of. And the industry

898
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: does that with white girls all the shit Britney spears

899
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: Jessica Simpson. So it's not just a black thing. But

900
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: it's just what we were seeing was his vision. Age

901
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: ain't but a number. We were seeing his We were

902
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: seeing what he liked about her. But it wasn't just him.

903
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: They had this clip from Timberland, who we know produced

904
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: her a lot of her music, a lot of her album.

905
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: Uh, it's time for the world to hear this. I'm

906
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: gonna give up a little secret. I was in love with,

907
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: I said, but I'm not, She's just a baby.

908
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm old.

909
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 4: I said to myself, I'm just gonna beat her brother.

910
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, I was fighting. I was fighting a lot

911
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: of big war but I loved Liz.

912
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 2: Like, like I said, it wasn't that uncommon. That's our culture,

913
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: that's part of America, that's part of men, you know.

914
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: And now, like I said, and when you look at

915
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: what she had on and stuff, those that that style,

916
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: all that stuff was also part of what men decided,

917
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: this is what you need to do to sell this music.

918
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: You know, no offense to Aliah, rest in peace, But

919
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: she wasn't like the most talented vocal person that It

920
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: wasn't like we were like when you hear Aliah, it's

921
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: under novel. It was an image, you know. So I

922
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: think it's kind of wild to see how accepted because

923
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: not like Timbaland said that, and then immediately everybody was like,

924
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, Timbaland' is the fucking worst. I'll never

925
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: fuck with him again. No, that's just something he said,

926
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: and people went on stand. You know, it's why if

927
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: you listen to this show, you never heard me make

928
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: a joke about like how hot some girl who's not

929
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: eighteen is to like, you know, and a lot of

930
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: men make these jokes. They think it's funny to be like,

931
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, oh man, the girl for modern family got

932
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: some big titties.

933
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: Ha ha, you know, some shit like that.

934
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: But I don't make the jokes because one is not

935
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: funny to me, which you know, that's fine, and I

936
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: know funny varies per person. But then also in this environment,

937
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: what's fucking what's okay about that? You know, it's just

938
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: it's like it's it was very fucked up in predatory

939
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: so and it always weirds me out. So but the

940
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: Aliyah stuff was very like telling that should have been

941
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: the end of it.

942
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: And he didn't forge papers.

943
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: He had a dude forged papers for him for Aliyah's

944
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: birth so she it would say she was eighteen so

945
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: she could consent to a marriage and Hawaii or some shit.

946
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: There were people that said they were on the tour

947
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: with them on the tour bus and saw R. Kelly

948
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: having sex with Aliah, and the family came out and

949
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: was like it's not true and disavowing the entire documentary

950
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: and stuff. I don't really want to speak too much

951
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: to Wayter, you know what, the family whatever, but I

952
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: believe the people that.

953
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 3: Saw it do you know, no offense to the family.

954
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure no one wants to imagine that happening to

955
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: their daughter, and more importantly, a lot of these parents

956
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: that wanted their kids to get into the show business, entertainment,

957
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: and they trusted them in the care of this man.

958
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: They don't want to have a situation where they have

959
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: to say how complicit them are?

960
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And even talking with Dexter, you know from

961
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: Shada Dallah's productions, he was like a lot of parents

962
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: will actually, you know, go above and be on like anything,

963
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you be like, well, I am who

964
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: I am. But if I was somebody else, you know,

965
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I basically took full fledged advantage because you're literally are

966
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: signing your child over.

967
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, people want this fame and they chase

968
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: this shit. And I thought the thing that left me

969
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: the most in this documentary was the lust for fame,

970
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: money and power and how r Kelly having those things

971
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: allowed him to be so abusive. You know, they didn't

972
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: even really mention that money must have been changing hands.

973
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: They mentioned that there was like these NDA's, but like

974
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: there might be hundreds of girls, like we know the

975
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: five or ten or whatever they had in the doct

976
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: but this man's traveled all over the world. At one point,

977
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: he had more money than fucking God and he had

978
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: people around him enabling this shit. Now, I was happy

979
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 2: that these people finally went on recond and said, these

980
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: are the things I did for him, these are the

981
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: things I saw. But it's all after they stopped collecting

982
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: the check. It's all after they did these things. And

983
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: it's very hard to watch the documentary without being for

984
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: me personally, without being angry, because I'm like, you did

985
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: these things. You did not just realize this was wrong.

986
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: It's impossible, you know. Now. I don't want to talk

987
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: about the people that was abused by him because I

988
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: don't know, like I honestly felt bad, and I feel

989
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: that because I haven't said I don't think I've ever

990
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: said it on the show, but I know in my

991
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: mind I was very judgmental of his ex wife because

992
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: I used to remember her defending him, you know, I

993
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: used to remember them trotting her out every once in

994
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: a while. She used to be like, leave him alone,

995
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy. And then my mom like, well, damn,

996
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: like you don't see all this shit like he did it,

997
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you should take your

998
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: kids and get away from it because this nigga is dangerous, right.

999
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: But I couldn't have possibly known what the fuck was

1000
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: happening in their house, and you come around and he

1001
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: was being abusive in that house. And I never voiced

1002
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: that or said that shit obviously, because I don't much

1003
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: like with a lot of the celebt shit when I

1004
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: don't fucking know, I just don't say because I don't

1005
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: know what's happening in people's houses and shit. You know,

1006
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: people did that to either Simon or Gabby, but one

1007
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: of the girls from the USGA, and they was jumping

1008
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: in her shit when she was like, well, look will

1009
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: these girls have on and all this stuff, and it

1010
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: turns out she was abused to and everybody has to

1011
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 2: be like, okay, group, hug my bad, I didn't meanenough

1012
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: roast jo ass last night and tell you go kill yourself.

1013
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: You know, so you don't know. But anyway, seeing what

1014
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: she went through and abuse she experienced, and how much

1015
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: there were people around him coordinating so that she didn't

1016
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: even know what I was going on, and the control

1017
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 2: that he had in all these women's lives, like telling

1018
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: them when they could and couldn't eat, I did feel

1019
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: so bad for her and what she talks about having

1020
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: to leave and only having twenty five hundred dollars, taking

1021
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: three kids, and how he uses the child support to

1022
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: abuse her and to cut her off, And I mean,

1023
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: that's a hell that I can't imagine, you know. So

1024
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for her specifically, as well as

1025
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: the girls who were actually abused by him.

1026
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 3: I didn't feel as bad.

1027
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: To be honest, for some of these adult women that

1028
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: got on with him later in life twenty eleven, thirteen,

1029
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and shit, some of these women that literally

1030
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: had to know about these allegations and they weren't kids.

1031
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: I can't lie. I did not feel bad about those people, like,

1032
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: I just don't know how the fuck that can happen.

1033
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is it happen to me,

1034
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is from my from what

1035
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: I got from the documentary. So many people bought into

1036
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. Clear they were like, he just

1037
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't do it. I don't believe it. He didn't do it,

1038
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: And it's one of the things where nobody cares until

1039
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: the shit directly impacts their lives.

1040
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing is that's like, if you believe them,

1041
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I believe everybody that said they

1042
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: didn't think he did it, and they didn't know.

1043
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: Them just didn't care too.

1044
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: I think some of them didn't care. Yeah, I don't know,

1045
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: you know. I think that's that's the scary.

1046
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: Part of all this. I don't know for a fact,

1047
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: but I don't.

1048
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: My gut feeling was like some of this shit was,

1049
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's R Kelly, and some people just

1050
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck, you know. But a lot of

1051
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: people did seem to have the it won't happen to

1052
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: me and it won't happen to my child mentality, and

1053
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: these predators use that against you because because it's you know,

1054
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: and the women I think he picks out. He selects

1055
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: certain women that he thinks are in girls and girls

1056
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: most of the girls that he thinks are isolate, like

1057
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: they can isolate and abuse and we passed aside a

1058
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 2: lot of times.

1059
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: A lot of his victims were weak minded court yeah,

1060
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: according to him and according to his people, right, a

1061
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of them not mature because there are some grown

1062
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: ass women's that can fall for some stupid ass tactics.

1063
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and no, and they did in this documentary.

1064
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: There was something that did.

1065
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: So one of the things I was thinking was, I

1066
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: wonder how much of his predilection for young girls was

1067
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: actually about the fact that it was the shortest, it

1068
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: was the surest shortcut to make sure that somebody was

1069
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: impressionable minded to be in a cult, correct, you know,

1070
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: And it was Colt like behavior, I mean, not starving

1071
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: people is what they do in colts. Look up Jonestown,

1072
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: look up the branch Davidians. They starve you. They duties isolated,

1073
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: certain tactics that mentally break you down to where they

1074
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: can they can you can be abused this way. You know,

1075
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: human beings are While we might not be robots, our

1076
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: brains and our chemistry and shit do share a lot

1077
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: of you know, none of us is that fucking special

1078
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: as what I'm saying. If you do certain things that

1079
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: people they will break down. And he's the person that

1080
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: knew how to do those things and had people around

1081
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: him that made sure those things were done. You know

1082
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: the fact that there were people on the document that

1083
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: had to escape, you know, you had to escape like

1084
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: you were you know, like you were leaving a cult.

1085
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, Oh she was walking down the street, but

1086
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 2: they brought her back. You know, like what is that?

1087
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: That's like some scientology shit. So I don't know, man,

1088
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: it's like uh. And I saw a lot of shade

1089
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: for the parents, for especially the ones like later and

1090
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: we covered that one that the two parents that had

1091
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: the daughter things from South Carolina that had sex him

1092
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: in Florida and then they was like, you can only

1093
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: meet with him when it's one of us at present

1094
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: and as if they com mitigate between it. But she

1095
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: was seventeen. And I think R. Kelly also picks girls

1096
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: because the laws for the pedophilia shit are not really.

1097
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: As concrete as people think.

1098
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: I think people think it's like pornography, where it's like

1099
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: you have to be eighteen to be in pornography, but

1100
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: sexual consent laws aren't like that at all.

1101
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it varies from state to state. That's why a

1102
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: lot of states now are actually trying, people are pushing

1103
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: to raise these ages. You know, in some states it

1104
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: was as low as like ten, twelve, thirteen, you know, thirteen,

1105
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. A lot of states have pushed it

1106
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: up to sixteen. You know, there may be some states

1107
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: that might be eighteen, but I.

1108
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: Don't think that.

1109
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: I think most states are like sixteen seventeen years old

1110
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: is the age, and the thing is and we're talking

1111
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: about this. A lot of these fucked up laws on

1112
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: the books. It should be eighteen across the country, period.

1113
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: It should be fucking eighteen. Nobody under the age of

1114
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: eighteen should be able to consent. You can't fucking vote,

1115
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, in some states you're just wondering how to drive,

1116
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: you can't drink alcohol. But at sixteen and seventeen, I

1117
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: can consent my body to somebody to fuck me and

1118
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: get me pregnant and deal with all the consequences of

1119
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: the repercussions behind it, when I might not be to

1120
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: the place where I can actually understand what I'm doing.

1121
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: And then in some states, your parents have to say,

1122
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't go a fuck about your goddamn parents signing

1123
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: this is still a child. And a lot of religion

1124
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: fights against people actually raising these laws. A lot of

1125
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: people this religionshit why why would I give my child

1126
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: to a fucking grown ass man. It's fucking creepy.

1127
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: So that's one of the other things too, is I

1128
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: think he knows that kind of stuff and has found

1129
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: the loopholes and use it to his advantage. I still

1130
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: don't know how the fuck he wasn't convicted. I understand

1131
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 2: it took six years for want to go to trial.

1132
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean money, it's money, money, money. But it seems

1133
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: like one of the girls in the documentary, Sparkle's niece,

1134
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: the fourteen year old that was in the sex tape

1135
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: and that the other girl talked about having a three

1136
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: somewhere with and all this stuff, she apparently still with r. Kelly.

1137
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: So through all this shit, like she has testified it

1138
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: that wasn't her, and the tape her uncle said that

1139
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: wasn't her. The tape her uncle was like his bass player.

1140
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: So like there's a uh, this aura around him or

1141
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: this protective bubble around him of people that are complicit

1142
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: and in this they're they're not equally complicit, but they

1143
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: are complicit in protecting him, you know. And now some

1144
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: of these people are adults. People take a PEG check

1145
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: from him and all that stuff. You know, he's and

1146
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: it seems like the money and the fame and the

1147
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: power has always protected him. Even with Aliyah. He paid

1148
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars for her to sign an NDA about

1149
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: that marriage shit. One hundred you know, So it just

1150
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: seemed like the dude is protected and he's gonna forever

1151
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: be protected because the record industry doesn't care. RCA Records

1152
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: still has them on their label. The artists that work

1153
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: with him, people still work. I think there's a song

1154
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: right now he has out with a gospel singer right

1155
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: now on the charts, like, and I forget which gospel

1156
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: singer is. But he was like I read an article

1157
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: in Yeah, Marvin Sapp was basically saying, who am I

1158
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: to judge, Like, it's not my job to judge, just man.

1159
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but it's your job to work with

1160
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: him and get on the charts, right. I don't know,

1161
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: so you know that that was a big part of it.

1162
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: What I will say overall is I'm very proud that

1163
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: they were able to have the documentary get made because

1164
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: I feel like a bunch of a movement that is

1165
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: most been headed by black women, that has a person

1166
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: who is abusing black women as a target. That's not

1167
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: something I think that would I would ever thought to

1168
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: get to see on TV.

1169
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Correct.

1170
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: And it's a hell of an undertaking to be able

1171
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: to coordinate years and years and years of work and

1172
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: years and years and years of abuse and get people

1173
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: on the record to talk about it and all that stuff.

1174
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: I know, there's stuff we're not covering right now, as

1175
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, him giving somebody giving girls herpies and shit,

1176
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: and one of the girls is suing him for that.

1177
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of other stuff that

1178
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: is at play, you know, Like I said, there's people

1179
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: that got agendas in this. There's the oh shit, I

1180
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: can't let me finish praising before I get into the

1181
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: other part. And I do think that, you know, it's

1182
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: an important story that needs to be told, and even

1183
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: if it's not gonna be told by the most perfect

1184
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: people or the most perfect place and all that stuff

1185
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: still needed to be told, you know. And it's funny

1186
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: to push back people have for this documentary, but the

1187
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: BBC had a documentary like a year ago about this dude,

1188
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: and I.

1189
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: Didn't see all that trying to take the black man

1190
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: down shit then.

1191
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: But it's good. I'm glad. I'm glad that this happened,

1192
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that there's something we can point to now.

1193
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: Go watch this because then its face to see it,

1194
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: to see to see these these people instead of just

1195
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: seeing like these you know, shadowy allegations and the fact

1196
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: that a lot of these people were minors, so you

1197
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: don't want to show their faces. A lot of these people,

1198
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: there's shame and stigma attached to being a victim. There's

1199
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: also shame and stigma attax to being just a sexual

1200
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: black girl. There's a lot of shame and stigma attached

1201
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 2: to that. You know, families don't want this shit out there.

1202
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: You know, it sounds like Sparkle's a strange from her

1203
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: family for being the one that stood up. And it

1204
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: was like, just got to stop, and this is too

1205
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: much And I wish I had never even introduced this

1206
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: noother fucker to my family, Like it seemed like they said,

1207
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: well fuck you then, you know, as opposed to the

1208
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: other way around. So people paying a cost to try

1209
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: to get this story out there, and as many of

1210
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: these people that were complicit. I mean, the dudes in

1211
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: this document were so fucking disgusting.

1212
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: Man.

1213
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Well there was his brother that was in prisoned, who

1214
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, you see how a person becomes R Kelly

1215
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: when he got those kind of people around him. But

1216
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: it was the other people that think they were well meaning,

1217
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: the guy who prayed with R. Kelly, when R Kelly

1218
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: talked about filming himself having sex with young girls.

1219
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they play the sister, the.

1220
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: Driver, Yeah, I think his.

1221
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: And one of the people I think was his, the

1222
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: one that was in the shot cloaked in shadow with

1223
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: her voice disguise. I think that was like one of

1224
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: his assistants that just recently quit because she had all

1225
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: the tea, like she knew names, places, days, everything, and

1226
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, like Andrea said, Andrea, Kelly was like,

1227
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: he's not a very smart man. He can't read or right,

1228
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: So who's booking these flights? Who's getting these hotel rooms?

1229
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: Right?

1230
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: You know? They? And then the because he doesn't read

1231
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: the right, all this dragon for fifth people doing on

1232
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: Facebook and Twitter, nobody knows. He don't know. He ain't

1233
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: reading it.

1234
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: He's sure not.

1235
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: They said they lied to him. They were just to

1236
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: tell him that things went better than they did and

1237
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: he wouldn't know. So that's why he was shocked when

1238
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: he did that interview that we played from the Huffing

1239
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: and Post, when he blanked on that woman at time

1240
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: and quit the middle of the interview. It's like, because

1241
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: people have been telling him the shit was all good.

1242
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, then he went out there and realized that

1243
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't.

1244
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: It's not all good. He don't know. He don't he's

1245
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,479
Speaker 2: that isolated with his money and wealth and the people

1246
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: he pays around him. And like I said, this is

1247
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: such a fine line because it's hard not to be

1248
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: disgusted with some of the behavior of these people. It's

1249
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: just hard not to, like, I get that there saying

1250
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: this is wrong. And but like, you were part of

1251
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: the people playing this. You were part of people keeping

1252
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: these girls from each other. You were part of people

1253
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: that knew these people being beat punched, choked, isolated, it starved,

1254
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: and you just chilled. You were just like, well, if

1255
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: that's what she want. Nobody said, shit, it's crazy, man,

1256
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: It's crazy that there's people like that in this world,

1257
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, and even worse the people you know, like

1258
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: I said, the people that aren't even being paid on

1259
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: his payroll, millions and millions of people online.

1260
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 3: Sixteen, that's a grown woman, I mean, what.

1261
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: The fuck she's sick. So so you're telling me a

1262
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: sixteen year old don't know what she doing like that

1263
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,959
Speaker 2: kind of shit where you just like, what's wrong with you? Now?

1264
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: You know? So it's it's the same logic to me

1265
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: that has Centoya Brown behind bars right now for fifty

1266
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: one years because people think a sixteen year old killing

1267
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: a fucking pedophowl child rapist is the same as fucking uh,

1268
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, kicking in someone's doing robbing them. You know,

1269
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: because she's black and because she's a girl, we have decided, Nah,

1270
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: she's a grown ass criminal woman. That's what people decide.

1271
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: Like it's the math is that simple in their heads.

1272
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: There is no in between for them, there is no

1273
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 2: And we know that if it was a white person,

1274
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: it'd be different, the like I'm not like the actual

1275
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: outcome of the criminal justice system the way people view it,

1276
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: it would change immediately. You got full ass rapist like

1277
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: brock Turner, who are they're full rapist? And the judges

1278
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: like it's a shame we can't ruin this young boy's career,

1279
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 2: this young man, you know, like we got that shit

1280
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: happening in the same place where we also got the

1281
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, these girls was grown It's infuriating and I

1282
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: know I'm venting a bit, but it's like, you watch

1283
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: six hours of this shit, you gonna want to vent

1284
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: to And I understood everybody that didn't watch it too,

1285
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: And why not? You don't have to tell us write

1286
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: in and tell us how they art like, we get it.

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01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: You did not have to watch it, and I understand

1288
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: not watch it. I understand you want to listen ers

1289
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: talking about it. I get it, but I felt like

1290
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: obligated to talk about it to a certain extent. But

1291
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: I am proud that they got it done. Honestly, everybody

1292
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: that helped contribute to get it done, that's dope. Whether

1293
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: you did it for your own selfish reasons, all that

1294
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: shit cool, but at least the story got out there.

1295
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: Now to some of the bad I do have to

1296
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 2: talk about that. Yes, the last hour of the six

1297
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: hours almost undercuts the entire first four five hours, And

1298
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: whoever made those decisions in editing, I don't know why

1299
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: you would do that to yourself. Why would you do that?

1300
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: You have a message you want to convey. Why are

1301
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: you getting to our six and we're seeing Charlomagne Joe

1302
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: Butden Wendy Williams. I don't know ebro shit like that.

1303
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: But I saw people saying he shouldn't have been in it.

1304
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: Tom Joyner, who only stopped playing R Kelly in May

1305
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, know which, I get that, you know,

1306
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: but all that radio shit people is late. It's very

1307
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: conservative Black radio. But but like who decided they should

1308
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: be in it, because you're talking about men that have

1309
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: of people that either have defended abusive black women, or

1310
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: joked about the abusive black women, or denied the abusive

1311
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,440
Speaker 2: black women.

1312
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: Or abuse black women themselves.

1313
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: You know, like some of the coaches from Charlamagne with

1314
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 2: like the black women's the most disrespected woman on Earth.

1315
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 2: It's like spider Man pointing a spider Man, you know,

1316
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 2: the one where he said, why would these women? What

1317
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: reason do these women had to lie?

1318
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: You?

1319
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: Sir? You saying that? You know, Angel Laura was just

1320
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: saying his accuser was Lyne trying to get a come

1321
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: up like this is in the same calendar years last year,

1322
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: Like what happened? Like like someone should have just left

1323
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: that part on the cutting room floor.

1324
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's just crazy that that stuff made it in.

1325
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: I really, maybe it's just that hard to find people

1326
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: that will talk about this on the record. I don't know.

1327
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it's that hard.

1328
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, But that shit shouldn't have been in there,

1329
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 2: and they didn't really add anything to the content.

1330
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: That was my point. I was like, y'all not adding anything.

1331
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: We could have stopped this at five hours and it

1332
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: had been all good.

1333
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about five to ten minutes maybe of

1334
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: extra content. You know. The Wendy Williams one was really

1335
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: fucking weird because I Wendey Williams got in trouble last

1336
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: year for defending R. Kelly. Now, the way she did

1337
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: it was sounded shady, so I think, you know, people

1338
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: tried to act like, oh, she's just being shady, but no,

1339
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: she defended him and then wouldn't say anything until she

1340
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 2: started losing sponsors.

1341
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 3: And then she recant at her defense of him.

1342
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: But she interviewed him and basically said, oh, yeah, he

1343
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: can't he can't read or right, so you know, he

1344
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: basically couldn't have done this. And then she blamed the parents.

1345
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 2: And shit, I will tell you this as a cautionary tale. Parents,

1346
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: you need to watch her. You let loose your girls around.

1347
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: If you're so desperate that you want your kids to

1348
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: be stars, you're going to unleash your daughters to the world.

1349
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: You better watch what you get.

1350
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, this dude has numerous accusers that are saying he

1351
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: was having sex with us and abusing us, and some

1352
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: of us were thirteen years old, and that's what she

1353
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: wanted to use her platform to say. You know, so

1354
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: that was kind of that's it was. I don't know,

1355
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: those choices really hurt the doc to me that, you know.

1356
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: And then there was also a segment in there where

1357
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: a Chance the Rapper I got interviewed by Jamille Lemieux

1358
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 2: for Cassius and they took a clip from the interview

1359
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 2: where he said making a song with R Kelly was

1360
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 2: a mistake. I didn't value to accuse the stories because

1361
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: they were black women. I made a mistake. And of

1362
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: course it was a small snippet clip from the whole interview.

1363
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: But people have been going in on Chance the Rapper

1364
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: hard now. Some of it is motherfuckers didn't like him before.

1365
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: I don't know when it switched for him, because I'm

1366
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: not a huge Chance fan like that. Like I liked

1367
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: actually like ten Days more than I liked most of

1368
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: his other stuff. But that's neither here nor there. But

1369
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a huge Chance fan like that,

1370
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: So you know, I haven't really kept up with everything

1371
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 2: he's done. But you know, people have been taking pictures

1372
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: of him and being like, you know, he was in

1373
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: like his drummer is the don't know brother or cousin

1374
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: of the girl that was in the sex tape, and

1375
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: he knows to me people that are.

1376
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: Rapist and and.

1377
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: All this shit. He's got pictures of people that are

1378
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: rapists and ship and he's, uh, you know, so like

1379
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: he's complicit somehow he a rapist hisself. I don't know

1380
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: what's true, what's not true. These are just the things

1381
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: I've seen people talking about. But yeah, I found it

1382
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: interesting that that all started from that that clip. I'll

1383
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: see if I can play it, actually, because I got

1384
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: the extended clip here he posted on his Twitter, and

1385
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: I'll see if I could play it. But he did

1386
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: say the quote was taken out of context. But the

1387
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 2: truth is, any of us who ever ignored the R.

1388
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: Kelly stories, or ever believe hold On, or ever believed

1389
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: that he was being set up, attacked by the system

1390
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: as a black man often are. We're doing so at

1391
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 2: the detriment of black women and girls. I apologized to

1392
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: all his survivors for working with him and for taking

1393
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: this long, taking this long to speak out. So he

1394
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: said that yesterday I didn't even know they had a

1395
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: song together. That's crazy, all right, Let's see.

1396
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 5: What really be hyper sensitive to black male oppression. It's

1397
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 5: just prevalent in all media. And when you see niggas

1398
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 5: getting beat up by the police, it's men, Like that's

1399
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 5: like a scene that you see like slavery. For a

1400
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 5: lot of people, they envision men and change, like, but

1401
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 5: black women are, you know, exponentially higher oppressed and violated

1402
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 5: group of people, like just in comparison to the whole world.

1403
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 5: You know, maybe I didn't care because I didn't value

1404
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 5: the accusers' stories, like because they were black men.

1405
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: Because like, okay, so I guess that's the thend IT clip.

1406
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: Because they cut it down to just like I didn't

1407
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: value your accusers because they were black women. But yeah,

1408
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: that became its own little controversy, Like I know, Jamella

1409
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: and the music kind of defending the interview and kind

1410
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: of defending him by proxy by saying, Hey, this is

1411
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: the work y'all want these men to do, and you

1412
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: want people to change, and you want people to admit

1413
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: they were culpable in this shit. But at the same time,

1414
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: people are already like shitting on the dude to make

1415
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: it seem like maybe he shouldn't have said nothing at all.

1416
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think her.

1417
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: People don't know what they want. I put it like that.

1418
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: Then I've come to the conclusion a lot of people

1419
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: don't know what they want. You say you want something,

1420
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: you get that that's not what you want. And it's

1421
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: very it could be very confusing because it's like a

1422
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: cast twenty two. He don't say nothing, y'all gonna be

1423
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: like he should have said shit. He says something trying

1424
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: in his own way to fix it, and you're going

1425
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: where you shouldn't have said nothing at all. It's one

1426
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: of those things.

1427
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: But then what do you do?

1428
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, so I can see what a lot of

1429
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: people's like. I'm not saying anything. I'm separate myself. I

1430
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't say anything. A lot of

1431
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: people that haven't said anything and haven't came out. I've

1432
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: seen people talking about, well, this person is saying that, that

1433
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: person saying that that person. You wonder why that's why.

1434
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1435
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: People don't want to deal with that. A lot of times,

1436
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: it's really easy for people who quote unquote don't have

1437
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: anything on the line to question other people in their behavior.

1438
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say the response I saw a line seemed

1439
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: like it came from somewhere else, like it was whatever

1440
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,480
Speaker 2: it was, it couldn't have just been about those comments.

1441
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: And I don't, like I said, I don't follow that

1442
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: dude like that. So he may have a history of

1443
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: some wild shit. I don't listen to his music like that.

1444
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what his local stuff is because I've

1445
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: seen people being like, you know, this.

1446
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 3: Person, this person's being accused of rape this person.

1447
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: So I don't know. That's how I like. The response

1448
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that it's directly to what he said, and

1449
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: more about like the to the kind of person a

1450
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: lot of people must think.

1451
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: He is right, and also with some of the other

1452
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: people that they've been talking about in the same thing.

1453
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes with a lot of those people, I think too,

1454
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: it's other underlying things and this is just what jumping

1455
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: off point to say how this person is a shit yeah.

1456
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then like Jamilla defending him is kind of

1457
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: like even if she's righteous on it, it's still going

1458
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: against the grain of social media. And you know how

1459
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: social media is now, it's like, you know, it is

1460
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: what it is, the attention, the clicks, the retweets, that's

1461
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: currency too, the attend like all of that stuff, not

1462
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: liking people. People do that all the time. When they

1463
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: don't like you, they find a reason that your shit

1464
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: is fucked up and everybody else's shit. Don't think, you know,

1465
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what what I just it feels bigger

1466
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: than what he said because on the scale that like

1467
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 2: when you first talked about it, that's how I feel like.

1468
01:17:55,320 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 2: At some point we need men and people that were

1469
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: complicit and people that ignored and people that shouted over

1470
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: these women to speak the fuck up and say I

1471
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: did that, I'm sorry, I was wrong, you know. And

1472
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: I do believe that the reason a lot of them

1473
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: did that is because these victims were black girls, and

1474
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: oppression does center around black men.

1475
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: When it comes to race.

1476
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's how it actually is, but

1477
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: that's the imagery around it, you know. And I think

1478
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: part of the whole do the workshit is you can't

1479
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: do the work until you have some accountability. And accountability

1480
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: is ugly, you know, But I don't. But you said,

1481
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: but you said something so profound. I don't know people,

1482
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: if people know what they want.

1483
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 1: I've just I've literally come to that conclusion because maybe

1484
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: I try to be rational. I try to be very logical,

1485
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: and some of the shit I see online don't motherfucking

1486
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 1: make sense. As the wind blows is how the views change.

1487
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, y'all, motherfucker's a goddamn crazy You

1488
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: don't know what.

1489
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: You won't Yeah, so I you know that I did

1490
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: definitely feel like people. And this is also the other thing.

1491
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: People say they want certain things because they don't think

1492
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: you'll give it to them, right, And that's a big

1493
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: win because most of the time when people fuck up,

1494
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: they don't give you us sincere apology. They don't give

1495
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: you any acknowledgment of the harm they've caused. They don't

1496
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: give you the reasoning to why they did the things

1497
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: they do. They don't give you any of that. They

1498
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: go fuck you double down. You're all motherfuckers, And we

1499
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: actually know how to play that one out right, Oh

1500
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: you dragging out, We drag your ass back. Well, that's

1501
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 2: why we're gonna get you canceled. You know that kind

1502
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 2: of shit. But what we don't really know is when

1503
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: a motherfucker turn around and be like you right right,

1504
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: is exactly what you said, you know? Because now how

1505
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 2: do we deal? Because the thing is what this is

1506
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: how I feel about that. When you do that, you

1507
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 2: take the power out of their hands. You take the

1508
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: control of them dictating how the conversation is gonna go

1509
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: out of their hands. And the thing is, when people

1510
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 2: are sincere, some people use a tactic because of brand.

1511
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: They keep moving the goal post, purposely and strategically moving

1512
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: the goal post, so you never actually make it to

1513
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: the mark of being perfect. So you apologize sincere. You

1514
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: might apologize several times, but then once it gets to

1515
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: a certain point, you acknowledge it and you say, yes,

1516
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: I've addressed this before. Here are the links and stuff

1517
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: to where I've addressed this problem.

1518
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: Da da da dah.

1519
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: And then you've got to move on because if it's

1520
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: left up to some people, once you get that one strike,

1521
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: you are never valid and nothing else. You can save

1522
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: a fucking cat from a tree, it's gonna be fuck

1523
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: you to the day you die. And so some people

1524
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: are just crazy when it comes to this, and you

1525
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: can't stay stuck because the thing is people claim they

1526
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: won't growth, but they only want growth within themselves. They

1527
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: never want growth in other people. You only want mercy

1528
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: for yourself, but you don't want to extend that mercy

1529
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: and grace to other people to a conclusion that And

1530
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's because I see people's behavior online. It's like, oh, oh,

1531
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: all this shit you're talking, you don't really mean it,

1532
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: because once it's time to actually apply this grace and

1533
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: apply this mercy and be reasonable and be logical and forgive,

1534
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it. But then that person

1535
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 1: can only beat.

1536
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: Up for so long, right, So yeah, I don't know,

1537
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: I don't even know where you go with that, because,

1538
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: like I said, it just feels bigger then whatever the

1539
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 2: comments were, it had to be just some other shit

1540
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: because like someone in the chat said, folks don't think

1541
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: Chance is sincere, And I'm like, my question becomes who

1542
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: is sincere? Like who gets to decide who's sincere? I

1543
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, because I think only time can

1544
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 2: really tell sincerity with any of this shit. So it's

1545
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: like the first comments wouldn't matter anyway, you know. And honestly,

1546
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: we never go back and actually give those people like

1547
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: the things like to go where they were right. Like

1548
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: for I'll give a brief example of Ray Rice. You know,

1549
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: we all were me included, we're all suspicious of Ray

1550
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: Rice and what he said. He was gonna be an

1551
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 2: advocate against domestic violence. And when he said that this

1552
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: only happened one time, and you know, he you know,

1553
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: he was sorry, and we were like, you know that

1554
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: dude abuses his wife. Something else is gonna happen, you know,

1555
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: just guarantee this ain't the first time and all this shit.

1556
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's been what four years now,

1557
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 2: and I mean, nothing else has copped out from over there.

1558
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: He has stay dedicated to us speaking out against domestic

1559
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 2: violence and trying to be a positive example and trying

1560
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: to talk to these players and stuff to be like, yo,

1561
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: this is where you're fucking up, and this how you

1562
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: need to get better. None of us, including myself, have

1563
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: ever taken any time to go back and be like, well,

1564
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: maybe he was telling the truth, you know, and we're

1565
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: not going to He can do it for the rest

1566
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: of his fucking life. You know, we catch him jaywalking,

1567
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna be like, I'm on your ass again, nigga,

1568
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: Like that's just how it is. And I think that's

1569
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 2: just the nature of It's the nature of the beast.

1570
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 2: Now there is no like, there is no over, there

1571
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 2: is no coming back. Is you fucked up? And you

1572
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 2: forever fucked up. There is no forgiveness and return, which

1573
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: is why it becomes that thing where nobody gets canceled

1574
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 2: because you can't cancel anybody. When you're canceling everybody, it's

1575
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: like it doesn't mean anything.

1576
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: Correct, And like I said, when people get offline all

1577
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: this on teen Patty, never forgive That shit does not

1578
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: function for most people in real life. Everybody has had

1579
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: to forgive somebody at some point and period in their life.

1580
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: There's nobody that has ever lived. It's like, you know,

1581
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: not that you can't be like fuck you forever. Don't

1582
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but everybody at some point in time

1583
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: has forgave. But you let the Internet tell it. Nobody's forgiven.

1584
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: You let the Internet tell it nobody nobody is. Everybody

1585
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: is as fucked up forever. But you Yeah, that doesn't

1586
01:23:58,439 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: make any sense to me.

1587
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 2: Funny because one of the people that was like really

1588
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: on chances ass I couldn't see that tweets because I

1589
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: had already blocked them.

1590
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: I was like, why did I block them?

1591
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: So I went and like searched our names together to see,

1592
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: like what exchange do we have that would make me

1593
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: go to block this person? And it was when I

1594
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 2: talked about Black Panther and I talked about the difference

1595
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 2: between Michael B. Jordan's character and T'Challa, you know, Kill

1596
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 2: Manga and T'Challa, and I was like, yeah, they made

1597
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: kill Manger. One of the tales that he can't be

1598
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: the hero was how he treated black women. He was abusive,

1599
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 2: beating them, killing one of them. He like, and to

1600
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: 'challa's entire life is about surrounded by the wisdom of

1601
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 2: black women protecting black women, black women protecting him. This

1602
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: is symbiotic nature between him and black women, right.

1603
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 3: And so I wrote this thread.

1604
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: On Twitter about it, and you know, people were sharing

1605
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 2: and it got, you know, like some attention, and the

1606
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 2: person that was talking about Chance replied to my thread

1607
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: with so you think it's good writing to beat and

1608
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: choked women. I never responded back to him. I obviously

1609
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: just blocked them for that because that's ridiculous. And that's

1610
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of problem with Twitter. He takes it out of

1611
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: context and you want to fight about it. And now

1612
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: you got me out here, look like I'm okay with

1613
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: beating black women because you want to start a fight,

1614
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: uh for because you you know, but that's the kind

1615
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: of thing, like, that's the kind of person that is

1616
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: mad at Chance right now. So maybe it's not as

1617
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: bad as it seems. And maybe it's just a lot

1618
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: of these people were they're mad at everybody. They're gonna

1619
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: be mad every day and it's you know, and this

1620
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: will blow over, we'll see, or maybe there's something deeper,

1621
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: darker with Chances. So we're gonna find out later, Like yo,

1622
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: Chance is also uh in these circles and just as

1623
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: fucked up because I've seen all these pictures and people

1624
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: are like, this person's a bad person. That person is

1625
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: a bad person. Why Chance know all these people? You know?

1626
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but that became its own side

1627
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 2: story to this thing. And he was only in there

1628
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: for three seconds, you know. Meanwhile, like I said, Charlemagne's

1629
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: and there, Joe Budden's in their Ebro's in there, Wendy

1630
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 2: Williams is in there after that hour was smart, It

1631
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: was just not most of And I don't know if

1632
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 2: it's because Dream has connection with these folks, because you know,

1633
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 2: Dream used to be in the game pretty heavy and

1634
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: then she kind of left social media or fell back

1635
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: in a big way after that whole Black Lives Matter

1636
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: thing where she kind of was going at deray some

1637
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: of the women in Black Lives Matter, like it just

1638
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: got out of control and she just kind of disappeared.

1639
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: I remember at one point she was talking about how

1640
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,919
Speaker 2: she don't read her social media and it was just crazy,

1641
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing was crazy, and that's the person

1642
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: behind this documentary. So you got that stuff. And she

1643
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 2: is tight with Jay jay Z, like wrote his book

1644
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and she kind of threw him

1645
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 2: under the bus to start the promotion for the documentary,

1646
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: or was like Dream Hampton is going to war with

1647
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: R Kelly, and she had a quote saying like Questlove

1648
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: and jay Z and Mary J. Blige all afraid to

1649
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: go on camera and talk about it, and quest Love

1650
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: had a tweet being like, that's not the way I

1651
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: remember that you asked me to be in a documentary

1652
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: about R. Kelly. I thought it was gonna be some

1653
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: shit about like his music, and I don't want to

1654
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: be in the documentary talking about how genius this dude

1655
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: was because I don't fuck with him at all. And

1656
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: she said something to the effect of basically like, nah,

1657
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: that's not true. You could have did the documentary, blah blah,

1658
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: he deleted the tweet, and you know, and so it

1659
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: kind of did throw some people under the bus to

1660
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 2: even get it started to get the attention on it,

1661
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: and it kind of places R Kelly as this powerful figure,

1662
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: right that everyone's afraid to talk about. But even in

1663
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: the documentary, even after kind of throwing j and them

1664
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 2: under the bus, I thought, then, well, obviously the documentary

1665
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: will talk about the best of both worlds. They made

1666
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: two best of both worlds, both trash albums. By the way,

1667
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: both trash. Both albums did not bang at all.

1668
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 3: Horrible idea. It's like it was so bad.

1669
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: And but that was a huge part of why R

1670
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Kelly for me anyway, it was a huge part of

1671
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: why I felt like he got allowed to quote unquote

1672
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: stay around, was because of that fucking not guilty song.

1673
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: Remember that m like that was that was everywhere not guilty. Yeah,

1674
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 2: it was jay Z's not guilty. I think of stabbing

1675
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: un rivera maybe, and and and R Kelly's not guilty

1676
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: of this sexual assault shit. It's so hey, look, we're

1677
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: both black men celebrating. The system tried to hold us

1678
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 2: down and they couldn't get us and with the hey,

1679
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: now we're going on tour together, and then the tour

1680
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: fell apart and the tour art fell apart very abruptly.

1681
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 2: It felt like, I know R Kelly ended up suing

1682
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 2: jay Z and shit, and no one ever really came

1683
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: out clean with one hundred percent like what happened. They

1684
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: just kept saying R Kelly was unprofessional. It was unprofessional.

1685
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but

1686
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 2: I thought that would be in the documentary at least

1687
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 2: at least and it was that era, and that's a

1688
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: huge error to his comeback, big Yeah, like it was

1689
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: just I believe I can fly, and then he was

1690
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: back like it was a lot of shit, a lot

1691
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 2: of cold signs, all that stuff. So yeah, I don't know. Man,

1692
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: we'll see with all that stuff, because the agendas was everywhere.

1693
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.

1694
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is that because the Internet

1695
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: moves at such a quick pace, the Internet don't got time,

1696
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and there's only some things only time will tell. Only

1697
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: time will tell that people are sincere. Only time will

1698
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: tell if people ain't shit. But the inter of that

1699
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: got everything but time on their hands. So it moves

1700
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: on and by the time the time comes for the

1701
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: truth to come out. Internet don't forgot because we have

1702
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: such short term memories.

1703
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: Right, like, yeah, so I don't know.

1704
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: And then I also saw stuff about Drake. People were

1705
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: saying he's friends with Millie Bobby Brown. They were trying

1706
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: to imply to the something sexual going on there. There

1707
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 2: was also like a seventeen year old girl that he

1708
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: grew uped in the club. Well she no, she came

1709
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 2: on stage where he was performing, like he put somebody

1710
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: on stage and she like kissed him and grabbed a

1711
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 2: butt or something like that, and people were saying like,

1712
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: look at this. But I don't literally know if he

1713
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: knew her age or I don't know.

1714
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 3: Anything about that situation and specifics of it.

1715
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 2: And there was like an Instagram model that he was

1716
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: friends with he took pictures with, and people was like,

1717
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 2: that means something going on. I don't know. The team

1718
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 2: was everywhere on the timeline. It was a mess. People

1719
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 2: were not ready. One of the survivors who was in

1720
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 2: the documentary posted some suicidal messages and has not posted since.

1721
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: So I don't know that anyone was. I don't know

1722
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: what the preparation was around us. I don't know what

1723
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: the I don't know, you know, like, I hope it

1724
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: did more good than harm. I really do. But I

1725
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 2: can't imagine how tough these days must have been for

1726
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: people that also survivors, people that are just triggered by

1727
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: seeing these things talked about so abruptly and seeing that

1728
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: you can't escape it online. I don't It must have

1729
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 2: been very tough for people.

1730
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you post a documentary?

1731
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 2: And how like the hotline like.

1732
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Went through the roof?

1733
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 2: Oh I talked an article, yeah, the yeah, the sexual

1734
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: assault like heartline and for survivors, calls went up. I mean,

1735
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 2: this is our society now. Ever since Pussy graven Chief

1736
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: took office and the Me Too movement took off, I

1737
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 2: really think there's been a race to make sure these

1738
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 2: stories get told. And it's so funny that people try

1739
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: to turn it into R Kelly thing, But they've been

1740
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 2: telling these stories about Bill Cosey, Harvey Weinstein. This is

1741
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 2: not R. Kelly's not alone in this.

1742
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: No he's not. And I feel the same way about R.

1743
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Kelly as I do about some of these other big

1744
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: profile cases we've talked about or people we've talked about.

1745
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: These are just the ones we've told that, we've heard.

1746
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: These are just the ones that have came out. These

1747
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: are just the ones women that were willing to tell this.

1748
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: Women or girls at the time that am willing to

1749
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 1: tell this story, and they're gonna There are women that

1750
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 1: have been abused that are now dead and gone and

1751
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: we will never hear their stories.

1752
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the other thing too is societally, we

1753
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: are all kind of on the hook for this because

1754
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: while we may not do these things ourselves or whatever,

1755
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 2: our society is definitely one that targets young girls. I mean,

1756
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: how many of our white people news articles some old

1757
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: ass white man and some like fucking twenty one year

1758
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: old woman that's his wife, you know, like it's a staple.

1759
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: It's a staple of our society, like the hot, young,

1760
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 2: barely legal blah blah blah. Like that's a big thing.

1761
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 2: And we're all as a society obsessed with youth and

1762
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: obsessed with that naivety and obsessed with sex in a

1763
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 2: way that just makes it very hard for young women

1764
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: to live and you know, to live a life where

1765
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 2: where it's not like a fucking hard show, you know.

1766
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 2: So and then how many men turn on women for

1767
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 2: this men are the ones obsess with these women? And

1768
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: then who do they get mad at about it? The women, of.

1769
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: Course, because you made my dick get hard. And also

1770
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: when did the parents. When next she got her baby,

1771
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going to get my baby.

1772
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 2: Shout out to her Dominique's mom, She was like, I

1773
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 2: huse to give up. How Dominique is able to still

1774
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 2: with her and able me to stay away? Because like,

1775
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 2: that's the thing about that coach shit. After a while,

1776
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: it's not really about can your parents come get you.

1777
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: It's about your own free will and can you quit

1778
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: yourself with this abuser because because there's like a drug, Yeah,

1779
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: you start to feel like this is the only person

1780
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 2: that loves me, This is the only person that knows me.

1781
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: I have to go back to them and get my

1782
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 2: validation and you know all that stuff. You know it

1783
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 2: It wasn't surprising that a lot of the women in

1784
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 2: the documentary that he targeted had also experienced abuse as

1785
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 2: well as he did. You know, he bonded with them

1786
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 2: over that, Like it was still was a sexual predator

1787
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 2: for so long in the industry and within the community.

1788
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 2: And I'm glad there's a light being shown on it.

1789
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what can be done, what will be done.

1790
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: Someone brought up to me on Twitter because I was like, good,

1791
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: at least he fucking can't pay for the houses that

1792
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 2: the compounds where he was keeping girls basically away from

1793
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 2: their family in Atlanta and shit, and she was like, yeah,

1794
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: but actually when they lose money like that, they get

1795
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 2: more violent and aggressive towards the girls that are still there.

1796
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: So I'm like, there's no fucking winning. There is no

1797
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: win with the shit, you know, and who knows what

1798
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 2: the fuck gonna happen. Like, even if he goes to prison,

1799
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 2: there will be some people that are like, prison isn't fair.

1800
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 3: I don't believe in prison. I don't know what the fuck.

1801
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1802
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm just surprised if motherfucker like that still alive. You

1803
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: know that somebody just hadn't taken it to their own hands.

1804
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 2: But I guess the same way Zimmerman is alive, the

1805
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: same like, you know, just shit like this happens. All right,

1806
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 2: let me pause, all right, and let's get into another

1807
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 2: segment on the show. I'm gonna skip fucking with black people.

1808
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: I feel like this fuck with us, all right? Can

1809
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: we all agree that we are very fucked with right now.

1810
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 2: That was like me too, taking out the trash, fucking

1811
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: with black people.

1812
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 3: It was everything you.

1813
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 2: So and uh we We're gonna be back every day

1814
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 2: this week, so I can save some of this news

1815
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: for later. Oh, let's do something more fun maybe, uh

1816
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 2: let's do some fucking with I mean, what else?

1817
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 3: Say, Let's do some guest the race?

1818
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,799
Speaker 2: That's what I mean? What was my guest the race music?

1819
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 2: Now that is time for some guests the race.

1820
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 3: That's right, it's guess.

1821
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 2: The race time. Now, that is time for some guests

1822
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 2: the race. That's right, it's guests the race time. That's right,

1823
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 2: it's time for guests the race. The number one game

1824
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: show going across all the podcast man where we read

1825
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: the play news artist from all over the globe, and

1826
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,480
Speaker 2: we asked our contestants today Karen and the Chato two guests.

1827
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 2: Uh Ray said, of course everyone playing this. Ray says,

1828
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 2: all right, let's see the butt crack bandits have been

1829
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: spotted outside of Cedar Rapids.

1830
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Cracking ass. What's happening here?

1831
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 2: It seems the so called butt crack bandits aren't exclusive

1832
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: to Cedar Rapids. Scott rosacrans thinks he spotted the two

1833
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: thieves burglarizing his auto mechanics shop north of Robins On

1834
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 2: County Home Road Christmas Eve. Rosecrans captured on security camera

1835
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 2: two men of similar dimension and trials of trouble as

1836
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 2: those that recently stole from a Cedar Rappers car wash.

1837
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 2: The burglars drove a dark blue Toyota Tundra with tinted

1838
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 2: windows and a dented rear bumper. Of course bump, I

1839
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 2: mean these guys are not very good with the rears.

1840
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Crack bumpers, crack of ass The vehicle's license plate numbers

1841
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 2: couldn't be seen in the security images. See the rapids.

1842
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 2: Police said on Thursday they received reports of three to

1843
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 2: four of these kinds of burglaries the area of car

1844
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 2: washes in about a week's time. Police were looking into

1845
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,879
Speaker 2: weather to whether how many of the thefts were connected

1846
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: to the two men. Yes, they meant to say just

1847
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: how many. It was unclear if Rosecrans Steph was among

1848
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 2: the incidents. The burglars gained notoriety after the theft at

1849
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 2: Westdale car wash early Christmas morning. Two spent two hours

1850
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,480
Speaker 2: there busting open coin safes and destroying the facility's change machine.

1851
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 2: Security video show the larger of the two men repeatedly

1852
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 2: readjusting the pants as they slipped down, exposing his bare Posteria,

1853
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: the co owner of the car wash, said the thieves

1854
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 2: didn't make off with much money, but did do a

1855
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:59,799
Speaker 2: substantial amount of damage to the property. Repair estimates totaled

1856
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars. Those who recognize those who recognize it

1857
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 2: to or have more information are stretched to call the police. Karen,

1858
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: guess the race of these two men? White? Karen's going

1859
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 2: with white for the button crack bandits. Let's see what

1860
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 2: you guys. Let's see what you guys believe in the

1861
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 2: chat room. White, rusty from Designing Women, White, coccazoid, white, white,

1862
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 2: A lot of whites going in here, guys. I guess

1863
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: you guys think it's some full moon huh butt cracker

1864
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: white Mexican, says Marlene. I'm gonna say black because I'm

1865
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 2: feeling contrary, it says Jim White, Cedar crack of pasty rapids,

1866
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 2: white ass. The correct answer is they were white. Some

1867
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:03,440
Speaker 2: of you didn't miss it?

1868
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: Ship what applying for Nick's American ninja start what's happening here? Yeah?

1869
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 2: And then they had their butt cracks out everywhere, butt

1870
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 2: crack out there. They kind of blurred the butt cracks out,

1871
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 2: which I guess good for us.

1872
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I remember them butt cheeks them any well, officer,

1873
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna get caught.

1874
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: They're gonna be. They're gonna be at the mall and

1875
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: somebody canna recognize the butt crack.

1876
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna put them out. Uh could you

1877
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: look at all the butt cracks and tell.

1878
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 2: Us do any of these but cra And they say

1879
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 2: black people be sagging, Let's go to another one. But

1880
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: I don't crack.

1881
01:39:53,439 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 3: Apparently apparently not because the butt crack. I get it. Gainesville.

1882
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 2: That was good. I liked it.

1883
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 3: Gainsville woman was arrested after a frying pan attack.

1884
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: Oh ship was a cast iron.

1885
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 3: She took an old school damn well, you know how

1886
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 3: it goes, guys.

1887
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 2: An argument over food led to a salt Oh what

1888
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: kind of food?

1889
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Fried chicken fish?

1890
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: That's a good question, all right, Poppy over there from

1891
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 2: Holly question, We're gonna name all the food.

1892
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I just want to know because the food make a

1893
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: difference in the race.

1894
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,759
Speaker 2: Now. A woman was arrested on charge domestic aggravated battery

1895
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 2: with a deadly weapon at the police say she beat

1896
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 2: her boyfriend with a frying pan. Conesha Daniels, forty, of

1897
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 2: Gainesville was booked into the Alature County Jail about nine pm.

1898
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 2: According to the rescupport, Daniel said her boyfriend came home

1899
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 2: drunk and went to sleep, Then he woke up and

1900
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 2: rummaged through the fridge for food. Both parties began arguing

1901
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 2: about food it was. Daniels told deputies that the victims

1902
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 2: shoved her out of the way to get to the food.

1903
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 2: The argument escalated and they both began throwing food over

1904
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: the balcony of their apartment. Damn no, they was mad.

1905
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 3: You're throwing food away to prove a point.

1906
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,759
Speaker 2: At one point during the altercation, Daniels grabbed a twelve

1907
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 2: inch frying pan and struck her boyfriend in the face,

1908
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 2: caused multiple lacerations to the forehead and left cheek. M M,

1909
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 2: I guess she had a dead pan delivery. At least

1910
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't grits, right, come on, he's grit It done

1911
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,520
Speaker 2: came a long way, guys, you should just be grits.

1912
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

1913
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 2: The victim of forty seven year old man been living

1914
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: with Daniels for about five months.

1915
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,440
Speaker 3: He left the apartment the contracted authorities.

1916
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 2: Daniel's face is one kind domestic aggravated battery with a

1917
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 2: deadly weapon without attended to kill, third degree felony. She

1918
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 2: was released from jailing her over cocye. Karen guessed the

1919
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 2: race of Klicia Dalls.

1920
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm black because that frying pan was a daily weapon

1921
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 1: with to kill.

1922
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 2: Mm okay, I feel you. Let's go to the uh

1923
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 2: chat room and us see what they have to say. Uh.

1924
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 2: She was waiting all day for those leftover us. Black

1925
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 2: didn't have a boiler grit. Boiler grit, so she used

1926
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 2: a fring planing black since was fed the fuck up,

1927
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 2: I'm still contrary black.

1928
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:50,799
Speaker 3: I'm still contrary black, black, black black.

1929
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: All he wanted was that big piece of chicken, black

1930
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 2: cash iron black. I liked the chicken. I like my

1931
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 2: chicken fried hard Black. Who stole my goddamn apple juice? Black?

1932
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 2: Everybody went black. It was a blackout and the correct

1933
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 2: answer is a black also. Oh Florida, right.

1934
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Dah oh, yeah, she did that well.

1935
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,719
Speaker 2: Don Her face looked like I will hit you inside

1936
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 2: the head with a fucking frying pant. She did that.

1937
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: She got a big ass thing of Chrisco grease is

1938
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 1: harden over on the side.

1939
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 2: You know what part of Florida? This happened at Karen

1940
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 2: where the Panhandle. Also, I don't think I think she's

1941
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 2: gonna get out of jail anyway. I think she's gonna

1942
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 2: the charges will be dropped. You know why, because she's teflon,

1943
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: because the charges won't stick. All right, Just move on, guys,

1944
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 2: go to the bonus round, saying the race double upon

1945
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: saying the race that's right, double the points, double the race.

1946
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 2: In the bonus round of guess the race so far,

1947
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 2: caring is actually two for two in the new year.

1948
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 2: You believe that the right? I absolutely can't believe it.

1949
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 3: Let's see if she can go three for three. Let's

1950
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 3: see what story do I want to do next?

1951
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,480
Speaker 2: Let me skip this on. Let's do uh? How about

1952
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: how about this one? A Kentucky man charged with throwing

1953
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:07,599
Speaker 2: a Christmas ham at a woman.

1954
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: M he was hemming it up. Apparently he was.

1955
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 2: Going hard as motherfucker. Come on, Kentucky, Kentucky man. Wait,

1956
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 2: a thirty said Kentucky man has been arrested after he

1957
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 2: threw a ham at a woman during the argument over

1958
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: which day Christmas dinner should take place.

1959
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 3: It won't be having it with the ham on the

1960
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 3: ground now.

1961
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: They didn't happen on Christmas.

1962
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 2: David Brannan, thirty one, of London was arrested just before

1963
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 2: ten to twenty pm on Sunday after he tried to

1964
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 2: flee from police officers who reported to a home on

1965
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Love Road for a domestic dispute. Call what unfortunate names.

1966
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 2: Love doesn't live there anymore.

1967
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: And love that meal was not cooked with love.

1968
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 3: Love Road should have brought your ass home last night.

1969
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 2: Come on. Laud County Sheriff's Office said in the Facebook

1970
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 2: post that Brandon threw items at the woman, including the

1971
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 2: ham to be eaten for Christmas dinner, following the argument

1972
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 2: over what day the family was gonna have the holiday feast.

1973
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 2: Definitly say several items are found on the kitchen floor.

1974
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 2: Brandon is being held in the Laurel County Correctional Center

1975
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 2: on charges of fourth degree assault, second degree fleeing or

1976
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 2: evading police. Online jail records revealed that Brandon spent both

1977
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve and Christmas Day behind bars. I guess he

1978
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: got whatever they served in jail.

1979
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: Come on, apparently we know what it definitely happened after Christmas.

1980
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 2: His bond for for evasion charges set of one thousand dollars.

1981
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 2: Guess the race of David Brandon ham enthusiast.

1982
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh white white. My niggas ain't throwing no ham at you.

1983
01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: You know it's too much.

1984
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:01,799
Speaker 3: You know his favorite Shakespearean play.

1985
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 2: Hamlet. Okay, that was terrible. Sorry, all right, back to

1986
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 2: your guess. Is she forgot to put the ham in

1987
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:13,759
Speaker 2: the potato salad? White?

1988
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 3: Oh white, white white?

1989
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:22,879
Speaker 2: He was just missing the male white contrary. Clear everyone's

1990
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 2: going white on this one. Is it the ham giving

1991
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: him a green casserole? Green and castro white? They didn't

1992
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 2: say smoked so white? The only people who could have

1993
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 2: a bland Ham white ham? Howked white? H The correct

1994
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 2: answer is he was white? Three for three, Karen, you

1995
01:47:55,760 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 2: did it and that's his picture there A'm throwing motherfucker

1996
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 2: mm hmmmm mm mm hmmm.

1997
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:07,919
Speaker 3: Shame what they did to that ham.

1998
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 2: I wonder if they had to put like an outline

1999
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,799
Speaker 2: chalk around the ham. You know they did ever iten tape?

2000
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 1: I know, honey, baby was damn it.

2001
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 2: C S. I showed up from the trajectory of the ham.

2002
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 2: I would have to say he was thrown. He threw

2003
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: it from right here at the dinner table.

2004
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm here for ham CSI. They will not be disturbing

2005
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: any more.

2006
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 2: Ham cs I, my, hammy, Oh god.

2007
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 3: I can't believe y'all wanted us to come back right.

2008
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Hell, y'all, y'all, y'all asks for this foolishness.

2009
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:50,879
Speaker 3: This is terrible.

2010
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 2: A man in Massachusetts has charged been charged with threatening

2011
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: his mother's boyfriend with a sword. Oh shit, m hm.

2012
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 2: The Son Chronicle reports that twenty three year old Robert

2013
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 2: Coughlin pleaded not guilty the charges in excluding assault by

2014
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 2: means of a dangerous weapon that was held when he

2015
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 2: had bell provoked in an unrelated malicious damage case. Police

2016
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: say the Attleborough man used a sword to threaten the

2017
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 2: other man during the argument last week. Coflin's attorney says

2018
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 2: his client picked up the sword to defend his mother

2019
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 2: during the dispute and cooperated fully with police. Officers also

2020
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 2: recovered the sword outside the home. Damn family Christmas swords.

2021
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 2: It's not a good combination. People. They're not throwing hands.

2022
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 2: They're throwing hands. It's getting worse. Out there, of course,

2023
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 2: legally protect ourselves. I will have to remind you guys

2024
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 2: that R. Kelly does deny all charges for all the

2025
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 2: ship that we think he did in this episode.

2026
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we will talk to you all tomorrow.

2027
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 2: Until then, I love you, wh