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Speaker 1: of quarterback talk, Shador Sanders making his starting debut, Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 1: Torn acl, JJ McCarthy, Patrick Mahomes. We'll dive into some

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders is making his NFL starting debut against Daradas

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and a couple different things on this one, Like,

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Speaker 1: So there aren't necessarily scholarships with young players in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: get more leeway. Welcome to life. That's how most of

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Speaker 1: her deal? Like? What are you doing? There is not

428
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Speaker 1: there's no one listening to this, your wife or your

429
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend that saw that picture. That isn't like she's a loser,

430
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Like what is up with this clown? And I don't

431
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: fault Bill as much though I can imagine some people

432
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: in North Carolina of like, Bill, can you just kick

433
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Speaker 1: this girl with the curb? I mean, she's just I

434
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: need some more details on what's going on behind the

435
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: in the sheets with that one, because that is Belichick

436
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: must be in some crazy stuff. Okay, let's end on this.

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00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: The I was thinking about this because of the Lane

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00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: Kiff and Saga, and obviously Lane, it does feel like

439
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: at this point he is not going to be coaching

440
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: coaching Ole Miss next year. And by you know, people

441
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: that in the loop that talk about this, most people

442
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: feel it would be a little surprising now if and

443
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: when he leaves that he's not at the University of Florida.

444
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this. One thing the NFL

445
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: does really really well is they kind of arm in

446
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: arm as a business. Like the Steelers and the Ravens.

447
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: On the field, it's one of the best rivalries, at

448
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: least of my lifetime hate each other. It's a really

449
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: really big deal with when they play right the Bears

450
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: and the Packers, which obviously hasn't been much of a

451
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: rivalry with Rogers, but a it means lot to the

452
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: two fan bases, which are massive, the Niners in the Rams,

453
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: the Niners in Seattle, like these rivalries the Cowboys and

454
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Yet when they go to these owners meetings

455
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: that literally is a meeting of the owners to figure

456
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: out how to keep paying and making everyone a boatload

457
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: of money. Everyone's friends, and everyone has a vision to

458
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: step within the right direction. Even if in these meetings

459
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: some people don't agree, some people disagree, we're not on

460
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: the same page. We eventually figure it out and we

461
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: all move together forward. Because why, unlike some of these

462
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: other professional sports baseball, basketball, there are no local television deals.

463
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: The only local deal you have is with a radio station.

464
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: And the majority of these markets they ain't worth to

465
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: these NFL teams. Fucking pennies in the couch, irrelevant, tiny

466
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: little money. It's all about the television money, which they

467
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: all fall under the same umbrella. The Jags make the

468
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: same amount as the Cowboys, make the same amount as

469
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, make the same amount as the Packers, and

470
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: that's how you pay for all the players and profit

471
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: for your for your team. Now, obviously you can make

472
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: more with revenue inside your stadium, so it can differentiate

473
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: a little team to team, But in terms of the

474
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty million dollars check that gets distributed

475
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: per team, everyone gets the same amount, even though clearly

476
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: some teams the Chiefs, the Bills, now the Broncos, the Packers,

477
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Cowboys, whoever generate more television ratings than

478
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Speaker 1: some of the other markets. But it doesn't matter because

479
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: we're all business partners. Yeah, when you look at college,

480
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: think how crazy it would be if like the New

481
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: York Giants right now, we're like, who are you going

482
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: to hire to be your next head coach? And all

483
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: the rumors and even they were kind of leaking like

484
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: we want Kyle Shanahan, Like, well, Kyle Shannon has the

485
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: coach of the forty nine ers. Well, you know he

486
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: makes fourteen million dollars, We're prepared to pay him twenty

487
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: five million dollars and give him power that he does

488
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: not have in the organization. Like imagine if that story broke,

489
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: everyone be like, well, you can't do that. That's not

490
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: how it works, because it's not how it works yet.

491
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen just had sent his family to go tour

492
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: LSU and tour Florida. They're literally SEC teams. You could

493
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: argue LSU and Old Miss. Since Lane's been there, it's

494
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: kind of had a little rivalry, especially once they got

495
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly was a really one of the bigger, better,

496
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: more entertaining games in the conference. But it's like it

497
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: doesn't even feel that abnormal because it never has a

498
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Anthony Lynn son Danton Lynn, who

499
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: is now the coordinator at USC, was Chip Kelly's coordinator

500
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: at UCLA. He did such a good job. USC was

501
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: desperate to improve their defense. They just hired him because

502
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: they could pay him more. I have friends in the

503
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: NFL who work for teams, and then a guy with

504
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: that team who is like a number two goes on

505
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: to be a GM wants to hire that guy with them,

506
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: whether it be a coach or a scout, and that

507
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: team denies him access Like nope, and those guys would

508
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: have been able to get a raise. No. I'd argue,

509
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: that's pretty fucked up. But it happens all the time

510
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: because all the owners look at each other and be like, hey,

511
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: we're all in this together, right yet in college even

512
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: though in the SEC they all signed these television deals,

513
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: they left CBS, they go to ABC and ESPN and

514
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: sign this new lucrative deal. They're all in it together kinda,

515
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: but they would fuck their partner in a New York

516
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: minute were in. The NFL doesn't even allow that. Like

517
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: when Tampa Bay wanted John Gruden, guess what they had

518
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: to send two first round picks and at the time,

519
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: I think it was like seven million dollars, which might

520
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: have been a lot back then, and Al Davis needed it.

521
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who just went to Denver literally quit, said listen,

522
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm done coaching. A year later, he's like, I want

523
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: to coach the Denver Broncos and the Saints were like,

524
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: not so fast, HOLI, We're gonna need some trade compensation.

525
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: He's like, well he'd been out of Leak. He's like, yeah,

526
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: but he's still under contract with us. And I think

527
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: the unity of the NFL is something that college eventually

528
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: needs to mirror because that way they can get on

529
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: the same page of everyone has the same resources, everyone

530
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: has the same access. Like if you get the right quarterback,

531
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether you're coaching the Colts, whether you're

532
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: coaching the Chiefs, or whether you're coaching the Giants. Right,

533
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: It's proven over and over, yet in college it does matter. Historically, Bama, Georgia,

534
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Texas, USC some of these jobs now Oregon

535
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: in this since Nike, you know, came to prominence, just

536
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: a more powerful job. Texas Tech has this guy giving

537
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: you millions upon millions of dollars. Tex Texas a way

538
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: better job than Iowa. Right, It just is because of

539
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: the backing, and part of that is coaching searches in general.

540
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: And this is where, like listen, I talked about this

541
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: stuff for a living. I am grateful that so many

542
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: people care about this stuff. And it happens in the NFL.

543
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: You know when who's going to hire who, and then

544
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: once they're hired, who their coordinators are going to be.

545
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Fa Ans are pretty dialed in and this is all

546
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: reality television show. And luckily the coaches and even the

547
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: coordinators are main players and famous, you know, additions to

548
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: the television show when it comes down to you know,

549
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: in the NBA, like coaches used to be way more

550
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: important than they are now. In baseball when I was

551
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: a kid, managers were really really famous for the most part.

552
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: They're kind of irrelevant now and we all acknowledge. Yeah,

553
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: the front office, that's the lineup. The managers don't even

554
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: have the juice to do much. Hell forever Dave Roberts,

555
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: who's now won back to back World Series with the Dodgers,

556
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I remember years ago he was getting crushed and everyone

557
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: was like, guys, he does not set the lineup. It's

558
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: not his call. When the Yankee guy out of a

559
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: perfect game in like the seventh inning, which I'm pretty

560
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: sure a couple of years ago happened with the Dodgers,

561
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: it might have been a no hitter, Like, that's not

562
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: his call. They know what ninety three pitches, that's his

563
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: max and he's coming out where in the NFL, these

564
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: coaches have a lot of Jews. They make a lot

565
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: of money where humans are fascinated by that. But in

566
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: the NFL, everyone's kind of rowing in the same direction.

567
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Even if you're my bitter rivalry, even if I hate you,

568
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: when we end up playing off the field, we're all

569
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: on the same page. And that's one thing College I

570
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: think Big Picture is gonna have to figure out now

571
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: on this Lane Kiff and Saga and the circus which

572
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I've been I've been consuming a lot of Lane Kivin

573
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: content every couple hours. I just typed into you two.

574
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I've been watching like local Ole Miss podcasts. I eat

575
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: this stuff up. This is something that still makes me feel,

576
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm eighteen years old, well before I

577
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: ever worked in this business. I can't get enough. Just

578
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: just feed me the content. Big Picture, one piece of advice.

579
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: I've only met Jimmy Sexton once. Ed Banowitz, who is

580
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: now Jimmy Sexton's right hand man, introduced me to him

581
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: at the combine, and I know Ed pretty well. I

582
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him a little while. Yeah, if they

583
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: asked me for advice, they wouldn't. I would just say

584
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: this because clearly Lane has some comments today, He's had

585
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: some comments recently, and obviously Lane's his own guy. Like,

586
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the agent can't tell you what to do, the agent

587
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: works for you. I would just say this, it's twenty

588
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: twenty five. We live in a world where authenticity really sells.

589
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: My parents grew up in an era where people thought,

590
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: like Russia, Miight, Nucas or some of these other countries,

591
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: we might have a world war at any moment. Because

592
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: we had just had two that they said, if a

593
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb comes, get under the tables, and everyone listened.

594
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: They did those drills all the time, and people just like, yeah,

595
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: good idea. I think how stupid that is. But they

596
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: grew up in an era where everyone just did kind

597
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: of what you told them. Everything that was on the news,

598
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: the local news. You just kind of believed that's not

599
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: the way we operate. Anymore because we know a lot

600
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: of it is bullshit, and I think we can sense

601
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: BS from really far away. Why we've been around at

602
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: most of our lives and we've come to a point

603
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: on the BS Highway where if that's what you sell,

604
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be very hard to operate because being's

605
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: live in reality. And I think Lane Kiffen is doing

606
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: what you would have done ten twenty thirty years ago.

607
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: You just avoid I don't know, man, I'm not talking

608
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: about this lane. Your family just flew on a PGA

609
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: to Gainesville and Baton Rouge. Everyone knows what's happened. You

610
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: don't need to say I'm leaving. No one needs you

611
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: to say that. But I do think it's not crazy

612
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: to be like, listen, there's a lot going on. Obviously,

613
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: we are having some conversations. I've loved my time at all.

614
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: Miss In a perfect world, I plan on staying here.

615
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: But like we're talking to him, I'm doing my due diligence.

616
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: Nothing has been decided. I will do everything in my

617
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: power to make sure that we try to win a

618
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: national championship because it's all in front of us. Even

619
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: though I keep hearing people be like they can win

620
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: a national championship. Newsflash, they cannot win a national championship.

621
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: You know why, because no one in the NFL or

622
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: college football wins a national championship with a terrible defense.

623
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Now they can go to the playoffs. They could win

624
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: a playoff game, who knows, depending on the matchups, maybe

625
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: they could win two. I promise you this. I bet

626
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: someone fifty thousand dollars right now. They have no chance

627
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: to win a national championship with that defense. But that's

628
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: not the point. Going to the playoffs for ole Miss

629
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: is a really big deal. And I see a lot

630
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: of people saying this, Like over the last five years,

631
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: since Lane Kiffin took this thing over and got him

632
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: roll in post twenty twenty, only two other teams in

633
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: the sec of one more games. That's Alabama and that's

634
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: the University of George. I also think that, like Lane

635
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: Kiffin is a nomadic individual, Google is history. You can't

636
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: get mad at her if she's cheating on you, if

637
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: you started dating when she was cheating on someone else

638
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: with you, It's like dating a stripper and then getting

639
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: mad that she's doing something shady when you're not around.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of what you sign up with with Lane,

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Speaker 1: even if he's changed his life and he's sober and

642
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Speaker 1: he's reading motivational books and he's tweeting memes, which clearly

643
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Speaker 1: is driving some people crazy. When you get into business

644
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Speaker 1: with a guy like this, like you can't be surprised

645
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Speaker 1: when he starts kind of sniffing around, especially in jobs

646
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Speaker 1: that historically way better. Now, we can argue if that

647
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Speaker 1: is the case moving forward, and no one knows, there

648
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Speaker 1: is a chance that Florida, given the current climate, is

649
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Speaker 1: no longer as good of a job at or way

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Speaker 1: better than Ole Miss has it been historically, right, I

651
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Speaker 1: think you could also make the argument it's college football,

652
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Speaker 1: just like college basketball hasn't always been about the jobs,

653
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Speaker 1: It's been about the coach. If you put Urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: Oregon State, at UCLA, at Texas Tech, he would have won.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with Nick Saban lsu Bama. Obviously you're gonna

657
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Speaker 1: win there. You could have put Nick Saban at the

658
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Speaker 1: University of Washington. He would have kicked everyone's ass. Why

659
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Speaker 1: he's an ass kicker, no different than basketball coaches like

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Speaker 1: Bill self coach k Obviously, once you get to the

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Speaker 1: premium power that has the most resources, and you have

662
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Speaker 1: the best coach, it's gonna be pretty hard not to dominate.

663
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Speaker 1: But the cream always rises. And I think you see

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Speaker 1: this a lot of times in the NFL. You know why,

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Speaker 1: because there isn't that big of a deal or difference

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Speaker 1: between the forty nine Ers and the Jacksonville Jaguars, or

667
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots. But you

668
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Speaker 1: put Jrod Bao in the job, you're in major trouble.

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Speaker 1: You put Mike Vrabel in the job, you got a chance.

670
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Speaker 1: You put Jim Tomsula in the job, you're screwed. You

671
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Speaker 1: give me Jim Harbar or Kyle Shanahan, I'm gonna win.

672
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Speaker 1: And only Lane Kiffen knows what he's looking for money.

673
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Speaker 1: When he does say is not gonna be the driving force,

674
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Speaker 1: I believe him. You know why. He's already rich, like

675
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Speaker 1: his decision. He's just gonna be richer if Kevin wants

676
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Speaker 1: to take a private jet anywhere he can. And hell,

677
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: in college jobs, the school gives you a certain amount

678
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: of hours anyway. So this is all about like sometimes

679
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: people just need a new challenge. Some people are wired

680
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Speaker 1: like that clearly Lane is if you google his history.

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Speaker 1: So I the only thing that I would do differently

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Speaker 1: if I was laying, I would be honest. I haven't

683
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Speaker 1: made my decision, obviously, you guys have seen the stories.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and deny it. I love

685
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Speaker 1: these guys I plan on coaching. What makes it complicated

686
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Speaker 1: is if he's not gonna be their coach. And I

687
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Speaker 1: think he knows this, and this is where it's gonna

688
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Speaker 1: get ugly. I doubt Ole Miss is gonna let him

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Speaker 1: coach the playoffs. And I said this a couple of

690
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Speaker 1: days ago. I probably would how often, like, who knows,

691
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Speaker 1: maybe you won't make the playoffs for the next five years.

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Speaker 1: This is a great opportunity. You got a good team,

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Speaker 1: and while I don't think you're gonna win the national championship,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people around all Miss think they got a chance.

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Speaker 1: And they definitely have a chance to win a game

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Speaker 1: or two, which is a huge, huge deal. So it's

697
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to watch this. It's an awesome story.

698
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I can't get enough of it. But I would just

699
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: say this about these coaches. I think they lie like

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701
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: You're just gonna get just obliterated publicly when you just

702
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Speaker 1: say blatant lies that everyone knows is false. You can't

703
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Speaker 1: do that anymore. It's not the way it works if

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Speaker 1: you want to keep your credibility. And maybe Lane doesn't care.

705
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Speaker 1: Historically he hasn't. It does feel like he changed, but

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Speaker 1: will start with Blake Love the show question for you.

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Speaker 1: Can the Bears conversation slow down a little until they

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Speaker 1: beat someone? They have played one team with the winning

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Speaker 1: record and one team with a five hundred record lost

734
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Speaker 1: them both. The combined records of the teams they've beaten

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Speaker 1: is twenty fifty one and one. I do think when

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Speaker 1: you are talking about teams, let's say, let's say a

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Speaker 1: good team like or a team that has been good

738
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Speaker 1: the Lions, the Eagles, the Ravens, the Chiefs, whoever. You

739
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: could really dive into the nitty gritty on who they

740
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Speaker 1: are beating. It's like, well, they're kind of not playing great.

741
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Speaker 1: They've only beaten the bad teams. They haven't beat the

742
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Speaker 1: good teams because we view those like Super Bowl the Bills,

743
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Speaker 1: super Bowl contenders, the Packers. It's like, how are you

744
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: losing to the Browns? Right? But the Bears don't enter

745
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Speaker 1: into that conversation because I don't think anyone with the brain,

746
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Speaker 1: including the ninety nine percent of Bears fans, go, We're

747
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: winning the super Bowl. But making the playoffs if you

748
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: are the Bears, is a really big deal, and the

749
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Speaker 1: only way to make the playoffs is you gotta win

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Speaker 1: some games. So in the middle of November, what's there? Record?

751
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: Seven and three? Is that the record right now? I

752
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: feel like it's better than that? Is it eight and three?

753
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears are seven and three. Last year at

754
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Speaker 1: this time, I think they were in the midst of

755
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Speaker 1: like a ten game losing streak. Their coach was fired

756
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Speaker 1: on Thanks Well, technically the day after Black Friday, but

757
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: all of America witness Matt Eberflus blow one of the

758
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: worst games you'll ever see in Detroit. I mean, it

759
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: was pretty embarrassing. It was something that's gonna be hard

760
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: for him ever to shake. That was Chicago Bears. So

761
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: when you've been bad, and I would put the Patriots

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Speaker 1: in the same category, it's a little different because I

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Speaker 1: think people actually think they could win the division. One

764
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: thing with the Patriots, they really just got to beat

765
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Speaker 1: one team. The Bears are gonna have to beat the

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Speaker 1: Lions and the Packers, or at least fend them off,

767
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Speaker 1: which is gonna be extremely difficult. Bears fans will be

768
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Speaker 1: the first to tell you that, right. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: played the Lions once this year they lost like one

770
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Speaker 1: hundred to nothing. But seven and three. You apologize nobody,

771
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Speaker 1: especially winning games the way they've won it. They're not

772
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Speaker 1: a perfect team, but listen, the quarterbacks a polarizing guy.

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Speaker 1: He's made some huge plays down the stretch with his legs.

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Speaker 1: Who cares seven and three is a lot better than like, hey,

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Speaker 1: they look great and they're four and five, so I

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Speaker 1: guess that wouldn't even add up four and six. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Bears have any reason to apologize for

778
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Speaker 1: who they've beaten. It's gonna get more difficult. But even

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Speaker 1: this week, as of recording this on Wednesday, let's say

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Speaker 1: Rogers doesn't play. I mean, he's got a broken bone,

781
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: in his wrist and they beat Mason Rudolf. People beat

782
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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. I don't give a shit. I could have

783
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Speaker 1: beat Billy Rudolph. I mean, we're just playing who we're playing,

784
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Speaker 1: not our fault he broke his wrist. I'm a Bears

785
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Speaker 1: fan who thinks Jordan Love is one of the most

786
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Speaker 1: overrated players in the league. Not saying he's bad, but

787
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: don't understand people who say he's a top quarterback. With

788
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: that big said, I think the conversation around him and

789
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: the floor isn't the right one. Their receivers have more

790
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: drops than anyone in the league, yet every time they

791
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Speaker 1: lose a game, it's always Lafleur doesn't trust Jordan Love.

792
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Speaker 1: But in my opinion, I think it's much more likely

793
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't trust the wide receivers against the ball,

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Speaker 1: especially now with Kraft gone. Why does nobody ever look

795
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Speaker 1: at this point, Well, if you're out there on an

796
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Speaker 1: NFL field and it's third and eight, like, I gotta

797
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Speaker 1: call pass play, and if Josh Jacobs is injured, I

798
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Speaker 1: don't have a choice. I have to call passes. So yeah,

799
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Speaker 1: like they're dropping more balls than currently anyone else in

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Speaker 1: the league, right no different than I mean, the Bears

801
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: drop a bunch of balls, but eventually you gotta call

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Speaker 1: some pass plays. Want just the yardage, the down a

803
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Speaker 1: distance put you in a position where you don't have

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Speaker 1: a choice. You're not gonna call a run play and

805
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: a tie game on third nine, right, So this is NFL.

806
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: You gotta catch the ball. I think it's the frustration

807
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: with Lafleur is more compounded from the last couple of

808
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: years than it is just this moment. Plus, at the

809
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Speaker 1: end of the day, you gotta win against teams when

810
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Speaker 1: you're a big favorite at home or the brand, even

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Speaker 1: if you're playing in Cleveland, you gotta win that game.

812
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: So like Matt Lafour has to win those games. It

813
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: just has to happen. If it doesn't, like we got

814
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: a problem, especially when our defense is elite. You're the court,

815
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Speaker 1: you're the offensive guy, so not just the quarterback, but

816
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: the receivers, Like this should all be your baby. It's

817
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Speaker 1: on you to make that happen. Plus, you don't fire

818
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks or you know you're not gonna fire Dobbs, right,

819
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jayden Reid, You're not gonna cut the rookie guy.

820
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Speaker 1: You just drafted in the first round from Texas. It's

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Speaker 1: just the way the business works, fair or not, which

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Speaker 1: there's probably some truth to what you're saying. It's not

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Speaker 1: totally fair, but it's just the reality of the business

824
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Speaker 1: they're in. Ben a Falcons fan my whole life, so

825
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Speaker 1: I'm used to the disappointment. I didn't think that we

826
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Speaker 1: were that far away. But you can have an incompetent

827
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Speaker 1: and experienced coaching staff with an immobile, basically rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: and expect to win. I believe in Penix, but another

829
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Speaker 1: injury scare. Let's say we are about two years away

830
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Speaker 1: from playoff contention. If you were running the Falcons as

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Speaker 1: a GM, what would your plan be to fix it? Well,

832
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Speaker 1: let's just say everyone gets fired and a new GM

833
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Speaker 1: comes in. I do think it's fair for that guy

834
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Speaker 1: to go. I don't think we have a quarterback. Obviously,

835
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Speaker 1: Cousins is going to be on this team next year.

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Speaker 1: But I think Pennix would more than scare that next guy,

837
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Speaker 1: because there would be a decent chance even if that

838
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Speaker 1: guy lies to Arthur Blank that he didn't believe in

839
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Speaker 1: Penix coming out of the draft, and then you would

840
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Speaker 1: have a massive reservation after he's tours ACL and won't

841
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: be able to do anything all off season. Who knows

842
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Speaker 1: if he'll be ready for Week one. So they have

843
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: a lot of good players in a lot of different positions,

844
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Speaker 1: but you got to figure out that position, and they

845
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Speaker 1: have not figured it out since Matt Ryan fell off

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Speaker 1: a cliff. And if you do not have that position,

847
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Speaker 1: you don't really have a chance. So I just think

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Speaker 1: that that would be my number one goal is how

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Speaker 1: do we fix this thing? Can we bring in someone?

850
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: Can we bring in a bridge quarterback? Could I trade

851
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: for a quarterback? Like would I entertain giving a second

852
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: or third round pick for mac Jones? Could I win

853
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: ten games next year with Max Jones? Once upon a time,

854
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: Belichick did it and mac Jones is better now? So

855
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but which is not a great option. But

856
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: those type options you would have to talk about Gardner

857
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Minshew now. But this is what we're talking about, because

858
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: if I get a drafted guy really high, well I

859
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: don't even have a first round pick. So I just

860
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: think that it's tough. I mean, I don't know, I

861
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: don't have an answer. It would just be quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,

862
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Because we have a lot of other pieces on the team.

863
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: We just drafted multiple guys on the front. We have

864
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: Drake London, we have be John Robinson, we have offensive

865
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: linemen under contract. Even if I let Kyle Pitts walk.

866
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Skill guys are not our problem. Ag Terrell, like, we

867
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: have some defensive weapons. I believe Brian Flores would be

868
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: a phenomenal fit with the Bengals. The tough culture would

869
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: fit as Joe is much tougher than Tua and Flores

870
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: could fix that defense. What do you think would be

871
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: hard for Flores? I clearly did not like Tua. Now

872
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: you could argue it didn't look great a couple of

873
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: years ago. Is I got Flores? You were way too harsh.

874
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of aged pretty well. The one thing I

875
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: will say about Flores because from a defensive coach perspective,

876
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: he is an elite candidate. He's been a head coach

877
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: where the defense was good. He's a defensive coordinator where

878
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: he's one of the best in the league with Belichick,

879
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell. Like, he's an elite X's and No's guy,

880
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: and he clearly is a tough guy. You can't you're

881
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: either a tough guy, or you're not a tough guy.

882
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy. The stories I heard out of Miami,

883
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: even separate from Tua, the way he dealt with offensive

884
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: coaches was pretty ugly. So maybe, and ideally, like any

885
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: human being, you take it a look back, you do

886
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: some introspection, you look in the mirror, you have to.

887
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: You can coach guys hard, but like your offensive staff,

888
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: because you're the defensive guy, you're not calling the offense.

889
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: You're very dependent on those guys, and the offensive group

890
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: they're a little more delicate than defensive players. So my

891
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: main question would be because to me, Flores is a

892
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: big time candidate, but he does have a major red flag,

893
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and that's like, can he deal with offensive people like

894
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: he's a coordinator, of course, like he's not the boss,

895
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: but when he's been a boss, we have seen one

896
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: time he resorted to all, what all the belichicks guys do?

897
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: They just are giant, you know what? But like with defense,

898
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: he knew what he was talking about at worked, But

899
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: the offensive guys, I'm talking about the coaches. The stories

900
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: I've heard was like, whatever you've heard, it's even worse.

901
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: And clearly you know the to a situation, which listen

902
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: to let's just say two is a scrub. You gotta

903
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: be careful with the quarterback position. So you know, are

904
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: you gonna treat Joe Burrow like it's Tom Brady nineteen

905
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: or two thousand and nine like Belichick did. I don't

906
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: know if that really works anymore. And even Tom eventually

907
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: was like this, I'm tired of this. So that's my

908
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: question mark, which I don't even think Brian Flores could

909
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: answer it. You would only know once you hired him

910
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: how it went. But there's no disputing he's an elite

911
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, elite scheme guy, a tough guy. Can he

912
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: deal with the offense? And I'm not saying like implements plays.

913
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, can he deal with those guys?

914
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Offensive guys like aren't always screamers and yellers. It's much

915
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: more of a cerebral operation. Defense is like, let's chop

916
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: their head off and then shatter their legs. That's the thing.

917
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: Like you put Aaron Rodgers out there with the with

918
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: the messed up left wrist, what do you think defensive

919
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: players are going for? It's like John, you can't say

920
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: that's not allowed, No, that's how they talk. They're going

921
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: first rist you know this is this is not tittley

922
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: winks here. So it's part of football, which works for

923
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: Flores on defense offense, Like, that's not really the way

924
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: they think. If you were the GM of the Saints

925
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: starting this season, what would be some moves you would make?

926
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: I personally thought we should have traded away our older

927
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: players like Kamara and Cam Jordan and Taysom Hill. It's

928
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: a great question. I'd have to look at their roster better.

929
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean those guys. I mean, Kamar is definitely he's

930
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: still under contract next year. You could trade him this offseason.

931
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: I think right now, sitting here, after seeing Tyler shuck

932
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, I think these next two

933
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: weeks just evaluating him. Do we got something here? Do

934
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: we have enough where we just rock with this next year?

935
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Because we got a lave, We got some offensive linemen

936
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: that aren't bad defensively. I mean, you got Brandon Staley's

937
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator. That'd be first thing I'd say, is

938
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: like Kellen, I like you, nuss Meyer's my guy, Doug,

939
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: not his son the quarterback coach slash offensive coordinator. One

940
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: thing I'd recommend can we get rid of Brandon Staley?

941
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: I know he threw you a bone when you were

942
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: out of work, but can we just get rid of

943
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: this guy? It's hard for me to come into work

944
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: and look at this guy. But other than that, what

945
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: do we need? We need some pass rushers, we need

946
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: some dbs. I feel pretty good on our offense. I've

947
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: shown some signs, but yeah, you trade some older players

948
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: for sure. I also think like trading Alvin Kamara. It's

949
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: not like you're getting the second round pick. It sounds

950
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: better like LESE. Trade some guys for what? As my

951
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: guy Ricky Water said, for who for what? Been listening

952
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: to three and out love the pod? If you were

953
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: asked to build an all middle cooff team for the

954
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: last twenty five years, much like the all Madden team,

955
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: who would be on it? To save some time, you

956
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: can use one offensive line until if you don't pick

957
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 1: the whole thing, that would take some time to think about.

958
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I think some players jump to mind really quickly. You know,

959
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, Aaron Donald, Trent Williams, Miles Garrett, like a Ledanian, Tomlinson,

960
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey. But do I need a blocker? Can I

961
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: get to Kelsey Ann Gronk? So if I want to block,

962
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: but also like spread you out? Do I want a

963
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: deep Thrett Tyreek? You know, I think you gotta go

964
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: with Brady, But what if I want a little more

965
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback. It depends how are we basing it on?

966
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: Just like who are the most accomplished players? What would

967
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: be the players i'd want? Best linebacker the last twenty

968
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: five years? Probably Ray Lewis, you could go Erlacker, Keith Lee,

969
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: ed Reid would be on the team revs. Sherman. Probably

970
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: my corners. I think most of the names kind of

971
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: jump out pretty consistently of the of the top guys

972
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: who you're running backs? Marshall falk and Ladanian, Thomlinson. Who

973
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: are yours? I appreciate your football insight. I was born

974
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: to live in the East Bay, and four of my

975
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: five kids played rugby. The fifth and youngest will play

976
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: when he's six. You talked about rugby's lack of popularity

977
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: in America, and I wanted to offer some context. The

978
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: governing body of rugby was formed in eighteen seventy one.

979
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: The body didn't allow players to be professionally until nineteen

980
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: ninety five. The strict adherence to amateurism greatly stunted the

981
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: sport over the last one hundred years. That and a

982
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: chisholm within the sport about playing paying players greatly stunted

983
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: the game's growth. America as an outlier as a former

984
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: British colony to have not embraced the sport. But it's

985
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: understandable as we've won our independence much earlier than the rest.

986
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: I love the sport and I wish it was more

987
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: popular here. I think my main theme, piggybacking off what

988
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: you said is football is not popular anywhere close right

989
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: in England, in Ireland, in obviously Australia or New Zealand

990
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: in the Islands where football is king here. So rugby

991
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: it's direct competition, like you can like basketball and rugby

992
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: if you live in Europe right or Ireland or whatever,

993
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: right where football like basically filled that void. So our

994
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: physical sport, and most people that I knew that played rugby, right,

995
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: if you went to cal and played rugby and they

996
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: were winning national championships or BYU or whatever, these schools

997
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: probably couldn't make the football team. So I think your

998
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: first aspiration as a physical being in America would be like, well,

999
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to play football at I'm speaking of the

1000
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Northern California schools because that's who who cow or my

1001
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: friends at cal Poly played, but Utah Arizona. Well, if

1002
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,080
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1003
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: were the starting whatever for the Arizona rugby team, if

1004
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: you could be the starting middle linebacker for the football team,

1005
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I think it's fair assumption that that individual would quit

1006
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: rugby and go on full scholarship and nil especially now,

1007
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: and play middle linebacker for the University of Arizona or

1008
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: the University of Utah, or BYU or Stanford, Right, I

1009
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: think we'd all agree with that. So the competition, like

1010
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: in Ireland, what else you're gonna play cricket? I mean,

1011
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1012
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1013
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1056
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Speaker 1: you're not just you have a chance to win the

1058
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: division because you still play the Bucks twice. You get

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00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: to ten eleven wins and just minimum be a wild card.

1060
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: So I think the Panthers have a big, big opportunity,

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: especially because you're playing the forty nine ers too. It'd

1062
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: be one thing if, like ow, they're playing those Saints

1063
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: since Monday night, a lot of people watching this thing.

1064
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: It's a massive moment for a team that, let's face it,

1065
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: most people don't watch, and like you said, rightfully, so

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: they've earned that category of you don't mas you can

1067
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: get at. The Saints were in must watch for fifteen

1068
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: years with Sean Payton and Drew Brees. He leaves you

1069
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: don't need to watch him right now unless you want

1070
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: to watch Tyler shuck throw bombs. In a recent podcast,

1071
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: you said that most players need to have three years

1072
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 1: in college to be ready for the NFL, and most

1073
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: of them aren't at twenty two years old. I'm a

1074
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: soccer player and we've seen the past. We've seen in

1075
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: the past how eighteen year olds can just become world

1076
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: class and start playing for world class teams. Do you

1077
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: think there will ever be a time that we see

1078
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: more young players will start coming out of college after

1079
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: maybe one or two years. It's a good question, I

1080
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: would say twofold one. There's a rule you have to

1081
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: be three years removed out of high school. So the

1082
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: NFL has a hard and fast rule that you can't

1083
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: just come one. You know, Jeremiah Smith would have gone

1084
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: pro last year, so Clowney would. You know, There's been

1085
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: a handful of guys that would have gone pro earlier

1086
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: than they did. I think the difference in soccer is

1087
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: there is a physical contact element to football that not

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01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: the soccer. I mean, it's it's not apples to apples,

1089
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: it's more like apples to hamburgers. Where there are guys

1090
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old in college who are as fast

1091
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: as anyone in the NFL, and if there was no contact,

1092
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: they could immediately fit right in. But I've been going

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: to NFL practices for fifteen years. The size of these

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01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: human beings. You know, you're getting a thirty year old

1095
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: who has been in a strength and conditioning program since

1096
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: they were in college. They are just physically superior than

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old guy. That's why so many young

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: players come into the NFL are and just overwhelmed, because

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: there is a physical strength component which just takes time

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01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: to figure out. There is outliers who just come in,

1101
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: hit the ground running like panay seouls, physicality, ready to go.

1102
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh right, b Jon Robinson, you just Taquon Barkley that

1103
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: there are outliers, But there are a lot of guys

1104
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: you saw. Look look at Marvin Harrison Junior last year.

1105
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: It's like, God, this is not going well. What do

1106
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: you do this offseason? Put him like twelve pounds of muscle.

1107
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: It's like, I need I need to be more physical.

1108
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: Now we can argue whether he should have done that

1109
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: or shouldn't have done that, but like in his mind,

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not gonna last. So I just don't

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: think it's really comparable with all the discourse surrounding Shidh

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 1: or Sanders after his first team reps in an NFL game,

1113
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going crazy people saying, well, he

1114
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: hasn't got any of the first team reps in practice.

1115
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: Is that not a normal type thing for a backup quarterback?

1116
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about his first NFL performance? I

1117
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: think I told Coward this like I have no take,

1118
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: Like what do you? Of course, he looked terrible. He's

1119
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: playing the Ravens. He he hasn't got any reps. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't expect him to look great this year, this

1121
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: upcoming week. But my expectations coming in the middle of

1122
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: the game. What did people think? But I also don't understand,

1123
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: like Josina is she on Dion's payroll? Like, look at

1124
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: this world class. It's just a throw. It's the NFL.

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01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: It's not that serious. What are we talking about? But

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01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: you get no reps as a backup quarterback, none, I

1127
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: mean zero, especially if the starting quarterback is also a rookie.

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Speaker 1: So to come in that game against the Ravens, he

1129
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: had zero chance. None, I mean. So my expectations were zero,

1130
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: and that's what he just He didn't exceed them, he

1131
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: just equaled them. He looked terrible, of course he did.

1132
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Most rookies, they were drafted in the fifth or sixth round.

1133
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: They get thrown in in a divisional game in the

1134
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: middle of the season with a team like the Ravens,

1135
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: whose back was against the walls, playing like shit. They

1136
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: started licking their lips because, unlike Dylan Gabriel, they knew

1137
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: that he would move around a little bit. So you

1138
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: blitz him, you get him running. He's not that great

1139
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: of an athlete. He's not gonna run away from anyone,

1140
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: one thing of Chador's gonna have success. He's got to

1141
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball fast, the way that he

1142
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: played in college holding it on and he made a

1143
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: bunch of plays because he was playing in the Big twelve.

1144
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: Now the Raiders, he might be, but Max is going

1145
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: to come after you, and the Browns offensive line is terrible.

1146
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: If he holds onto the ball, Max y five sacks

1147
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: got to get rid of the football. It's the only

1148
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: way you can excel in the NFL unless you are

1149
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: an elite athlete. Caleb can hold onto the ball. He's fast,

1150
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: Chador is not. I'm a complete delusional Baker Mayfield fan,

1151
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: so much so that I think he could, at his

1152
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: best win an MVP. Me too. I put money on

1153
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: him to win the MVP, and it doesn't look like

1154
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: he's going to. However, I think he's had a significant crossroads.

1155
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: He's up for a new contract and could now get

1156
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: significantly more money. I love the guy, but I think

1157
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: he has his limitations and needs a strong cast around him.

1158
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe a massive contract for Baker could cause his

1159
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: career to start regressing. I don't hate any human who

1160
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: cashes in on their value, but I do think for

1161
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: his legacy a team friendly deal would help him remain

1162
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: a top end quarterback. Do you agree or disagree? Let's

1163
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: bring up Baker Mayfield's contract, and I would say this

1164
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: most guys, the overwhelming majority of players, This includes Tom Brady,

1165
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers need good teammates. Aaron Rodgers

1166
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: was thrown to Jordy Nelson, DeVante Adams in the peak

1167
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: of his career. Peyton Manning was thrown to Marvin Harrison,

1168
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne and handing the ball to Edgrin James. So

1169
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady played with Gronk, Randy Moss, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker.

1170
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: You do not excel without good teammates. This is not golf.

1171
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: You need help, whether you're Aaron Rodgers or whether you

1172
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: are JJ McCarthy. Right, But obviously it helps to have

1173
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: better players, and when they're fully healthy, Mike Evans, Chris

1174
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: Godwin and obviously Abuka are really good players. Well, these

1175
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: guys are all banged up now, so it becomes difficult.

1176
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is not a free agent still twenty twenty six.

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01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: To me, if I'm Jason Light, I'd probably play it out,

1178
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: not because I want to move on. But I'm in

1179
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: no rush, and if i'm because I'm not offering them

1180
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. So Baker Mayfield might just want to

1181
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: play it out. Baker Mayfield's under contract next year for

1182
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: he will make forty million dollars. Like, I don't think

1183
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: they're in a huge rush to renegotiate right now. Plus,

1184
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: you gotta we'll see how the second half of this

1185
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: year plays out. Is tanking just a fan theory? A

1186
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of Saints fans and analysts on YouTube argue that

1187
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: we shouldn't win too many games so we can secure

1188
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: a higher draft pick. But I wouldn't. I don't think

1189
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: any player or coach in their right mind would deliberately

1190
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: lose a game for draft position, at least not New Orleans.

1191
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,479
Speaker 1: In fact, we've seen Tennessee that even having the number

1192
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: one overall pick doesn't turn around a program overnight. It

1193
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: might be a stretch, but let's say the Saints finished

1194
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: nine to eight. Should fans really be mad about the outcome? Well,

1195
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: you're not gonna finish nine and eight, so you don't

1196
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. But no one in football tanks.

1197
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: Maybe the last week, but everyone tries to win. Steven

1198
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: Ross offered Brian flor As one hundred thousand dollars a game,

1199
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 1: and he told him to take his money and shove

1200
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: it up his ass. This is not basketball or baseball.

1201
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: It's honestly the reason the NFL's king. In basketball, a

1202
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: third of the league doesn't try to win all season,

1203
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: not like the last month, like all season. They're not

1204
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: trying to win. We just had the Chauncey Billups scandal,

1205
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: like he's telling people like, yeah, we're tanking right now.

1206
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: It's not how the NFL works, partly because there's not

1207
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: as much guaranteed money. The majority of players have no

1208
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and can be cut at any moment, so

1209
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: you have to try in two. This part of baseball

1210
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: as you get to play every day, right, even in

1211
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: basketball you get play whatever three times a week, so

1212
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: that another game. In football you get one game a week,

1213
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: and depending on what position you play, like if you're

1214
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: a rotational defensive lineman, you only only get twenty snaps.

1215
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: You spend all week rehabbing, training, lifting, meetings, practice, cold tubs, saunas,

1216
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: just doing shit. That isn't that fun, day after day

1217
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: after day, just for the game. Ray Lewis hit the

1218
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: nail on the head man, you pay me Monday through Saturday.

1219
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Games are free football. I don't care what level football

1220
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: you've ever played, play a pickup game, let alone high

1221
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: school football, college football. The games are the only fun part.

1222
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 1: Most of the other football, unless you're just a nut

1223
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: job like Peyton Manning, is kind of tedious and hard.

1224
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: It's a grind where the games you kind of just

1225
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: get to let loose and play. So it's like these

1226
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: players are trying to win. You can't really tank a game.

1227
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: I think football is very lucky that way. They have

1228
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: two things really going for them. One, it's incredible television products.

1229
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: Once a week, every game matters. Even when they don't matter,

1230
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: they still kind of matter. In the NFL, it's a

1231
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: very highly contested league. You could have anyone beat anybody,

1232
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: so like you get weekly great games. And two, you

1233
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: don't really have to worry about like no one's throwing games.

1234
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 1: Like all the stuff that goes on in these other sports,

1235
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: it is just not happening in the NFL. Questions could

1236
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: Denver or Indy if Lamar, Josh or Mahomes play them

1237
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: in the play on the Road do you think either

1238
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: team has a chance against those clearly superior quarterbacks. I

1239
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: would say, jaw, I mean, the Chiefs are kind of

1240
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: in shambles right now. Denver and Indy would host those

1241
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: three teams, So I would say this about Denver and Indy.

1242
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: Both of them fall under the categories they they are

1243
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: no shoeings to just win other playoff games. If you

1244
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: told me, like Josh Allen was the quarterback of Denver,

1245
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 1: it'd be like, they're unstoppable, no chance they could lose.

1246
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: Can you lose a playoff game with bow Knicks one percent?

1247
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen them have these awful games, and

1248
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: when you're playing Denver, it's like, right, I mean, when

1249
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: you're playing the Giants, you're not out of it. You're

1250
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: playing Lamar Jackson. If you're down ten points, you're probably

1251
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: not coming back. If bo Nicks having a bad game,

1252
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,879
Speaker 1: I hope all as well. This question is for the mailback.

1253
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: I would like to understand why the media and sometimes

1254
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: you as well refuse to talk about certain teams like

1255
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers if their record In the past few years,

1256
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: many teams have been worse and get talked about a

1257
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: lot more Jets, Giants, Browns, and few times the Panthers

1258
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: are mentioned. The information can be flat out wrong, like,

1259
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: for example, calling calling Bryce Young an injury prone player

1260
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: when he's missed two games since college. I guess he

1261
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: got benched. Every time I look at the Panthers, he's

1262
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: on the ground. I mean, it doesn't look like he's

1263
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna get up. Maybe he does more. This isn't that complicated,

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Speaker 1: No different than many of you, whatever your industry is.

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01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: We're just in the business of talking about the big stories,

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: and the Panthers are just not a big story. If

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: they were, they would be discussed more. And when I

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: say not a big story, a story that people care about. Like,

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01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm not in the television business, so I don't talk

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01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys every single day. But there's a reason

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: that they talk about the Cowboys, the Lakers, and the

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: Yankees because it works. If it didn't, they wouldn't. This

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: entire thing is a numbers game. I never understand people

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: in the media that I remember when I used to

1275
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: work in the Bay Area, if you talked about the

1276
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: A's consistently, you would go out of business. But some

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: people couldn't stop talking about the A's because I don't

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01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: really know why, Like we're not in the Like I'm

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: not emotional about any of this stuff, which is sad.

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: I used to love sports, and I still do, Like

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: I still enjoy watching the games, but I look about

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: about like all my angles of what I'm going to

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: talk about ninety nine percent is just how am I

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: going to talk about something that's interesting with something that

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: people care about. Where the Panthers, who have been historically

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: terrible over the last however many years, firing coaches left

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: and right, you're finally six and five, you expect to

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: get treated like the Eagles or Sean McVay or the Packers.

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01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: It's not how this thing works. Now. When you had

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: Cam Newton and you had some interesting stuff going on,

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: people talked about you more. But look at the Saints.

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: They had Drew Brees and Sean Payton and they were

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: a national story. Well those two guys disappear. They no

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01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: longer are. There are certain just like there are certain

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: industries that are recession proof. Not many, but there are some.

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: There are some teams that are are proof. The justin

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: the Giants. It's New York City. They have more people

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01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: that live in that area than any other city in America.

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: So do the math. They have more fans just based

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: on in a region than any other area in America.

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Speaker 1: Why do people talk a lot about the Packers and

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: the Steelers they have massive fan bases. There's a reason

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: people don't talk about the Arizona Cardinals often. They don't

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01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: have as many fans as the forty nine Ers, as

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01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: the Packers, as the Philadelphia Eagles. This is all the

1306
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: numbers game now. Like, as a podcaster, I can talk

1307
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: about whatever I want, so when things are interesting to me,

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: I talk about them. I've talked about the Panthers before

1309
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: with temper some of their trades. But like, just because

1310
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: you're six and five for the first time in a

1311
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: decade doesn't mean we're gonna get on our knees and

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 1: give you a reach round. So just pump the brakes.

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01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: You gotta win some games. When you're a smaller market

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: and you've been really bad, you don't just jump to

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: the front of the line. It's not how it works.

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to tell you. I help

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: when I I had two NFL teams, when I worked

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: in the Bayry and I did radio, you would been

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: crazy to not talk forty nine ers seventy five percent

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01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: of the time. Why because even in that region they

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: outnumbered Raider fans. I don't know what the exact number is,

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: but it was a lot too a little. And then

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: we're talking the NFL. We're talking to the Raiders who

1324
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: had a historic brand. So it why do we talk

1325
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: about the Giants more in the a's because all the

1326
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: numbers game? What is wrong with the Raiders? Why do

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: coaches who have proven they can't succeed at certain areas

1328
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: get so many chances Josh as a head coach, Chip

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: Kelly is a coordinator. Also, why does being the poorest

1330
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: owner matter? Is it less for the assistant or other

1331
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: owners pay more? We have been rebuilding for so many years. Uh,

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,799
Speaker 1: I just think being the poorest owner they're not anymore

1333
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: because Vegas has generated them a lot of money. It

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01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: matters because you can give large signing bonuses. So like

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01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: when Khalil Mack wanted a trade, the Raiders could not

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: offer the same contract that the Bears offered them. Why

1337
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: because the Bears had more money. Now in twenty twenty five,

1338
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: in theory, the Raiders should have a lot more money

1339
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: they can. Mike Mayock and John Gruden have talk about this.

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: We could not structure our contracts the same as the

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: Ramps or the Cowboys or the Eagles or whoever. Now

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: if that changed. So you're going after a free agent

1343
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: and you both are offering them three year contracts, well,

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to structure one to give you twenty million

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: dollars up front, and the Raiders do more of a

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: year by year situation with maybe five million dollars. I'm

1347
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: just using some hypothetical, but that's where it matters. So

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: it really used to impact them. I mean, I remember

1349
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: Greg Papa telling me a story the reason JaMarcus Russell

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01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: and some of the guys in the two thousands used

1351
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: to hold out when they were drafted high because Al

1352
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: didn't have the money to give them their signing bonus.

1353
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: And back then rookies used to make a ton of money.

1354
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: He had to wait for the media deals to distribute

1355
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: the revenue share that that's obviously changed, that they have

1356
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: more money now than they did back then, but it's

1357
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: a hindrance and it has been on the Raiders historically.

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: Out the reason they're losing right now. That's why they

1359
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: got Brady and the money guys involved. They need more cash.

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: They got it. Now, well do they hire the wrong coach?

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: The Chip Kelly thing is I mean, he's been horrendous.

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: Now should they be the number one offense in the league,

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01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: of course not. Should they be as bad as they've been,

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01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: No chance they have to be. The Cowboys defense is awful,

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: and you watch the Raiders, you're like, what is going on?

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01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: So I think the Raiders are at the point now

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01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 1: where it's like, you got to hire the right coaches,

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: you got to find a quarterback, You just got to

1369
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: get better players. So it's on spy Tech and the

1370
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 1: scouting staff now to improve that roster because it's pretty terrible.

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Speaker 1: The volume