WEBVTT - By Order of the Faithfuls: From Laguna Beach to Scotland w/ Stephen Colletti 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.600 Welcome in, all you Faithfuls and Traders for another episode 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.400 of By Order of the Faithfuls. Wells Adams alongside Dolores 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.720 Catanya today, and we're about to be joined by someone 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.840 who's been on TV for a very long time. Born 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.360 and raised in Orange County, California, Stephen Cleddy was just 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.360 eighteen years old when he was cast on Laguna Beach, 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.760 The Real Orange County back in two thousand and four. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.279 Then in two thousand and seven, he did something that's 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.560 very very hard to do, go from reality TV descripted television. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.839 He was on One Tree Hill on the CW for 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.280 a bunch of seasons, and of course now he is 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.559 starring in season four of The Traders this year, and 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.280 he is faithful. All right, Welcome to the show, Steven. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.720 Right off the bat, we have to congratulate you on 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.000 you and your wife's first pregnancy. Congratulations. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.880 I appreciate that. Thank you man. We're super thrilled. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.280 That's so the genetics that child. I cannot wait to 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.200 see what this comes out like. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:05.600 Too kind, too kind? 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.360 Was it a Trader's baby? 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.959 Yeah? You know what I think coming out of the castle, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.039 you know, after being locked up for so long, Yeah, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.600 we were pretty hyped up. We were excited to see our. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.960 See each other. Yeah, I bet so. You know, magic 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.400 happens after you get home. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.040 Yeah, you know, this is a hard grow fonder, of course, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:28.880 and it sure did there. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:30.600 Oh I'm glad to hear it. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.160 Do you know what you're having yet? 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.560 I do. I do. We're not sharing it, but I 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.800 do know. And yeah, we're pretty excited. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.440 Are you going to do a gender reveal. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.480 We're not going to do a gender reveal. We're just 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.040 kind of we're keeping it close for now, and it's 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.560 always been, you know, we just want to make sure, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.400 you know, Alex is doing well and the baby's doing well. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.800 Of course, going to focus on the health and it's 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.200 our first go so make sure we're you know, hitting 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.160 the benchmarks that we need to and and being responsible 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.840 parents and getting ready for this and so, as you know, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.160 we were happy to share the news and and get 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.600 it out there, but as far as having a big 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.160 party or gender review or anything like that, we're we're 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.000 a little more low key, so we're not gonna do 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:11.720 anything like that. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.840 You know. The truth is people are doing less and 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:15.240 less of. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.840 That, you know. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.440 We we also had a very low key ceremony for 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.960 our marriage, and that was kind of the plan all along. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.080 It was. It was the first instinct was like, let's 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.440 have you know, should we just go get hitched, like 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.120 all right, we've got to have some family there, and 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.320 it kind of grew into something bigger and then we 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.840 brought it back to what it originally was, was like, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:34.919 you know what, like we want to do, which is 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.720 just like is going to make this special for her 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.640 and I and I have to feel like we're running 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.080 around the whole time, you know, having to engage with 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.000 everybody at the plant. We want to be able to 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.880 have our fun and so yeah, we really toned it 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.799 down and it was. It was. It was an amazing day. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.440 It was. It was a beautiful day. We just had 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.240 our immediate family. We just said civil ceremony. We went 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.600 and got pizza afterwards, and it was perfect. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.720 I love that. So no wedding at all, there was 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.040 no big Sarah like, no. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.799 Big ceremony, no we when we we we jetted off 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.200 to uh to France the next day and we celebrated there. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.120 So yeah, it was it was perfect. It all worked out. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.560 Oh God, I wish I had done that. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.560 We spent so much freaking money getting ideas. You know what, Well, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:23.360 this is because I'm recently engaged, and thank you. So 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.040 you know, being in the public eye, as you know, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.560 nothing's really private, and I'm more of a private person, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.360 and I get silly, like wells could tell you, I 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.120 get silly about being like affectionate in front of people 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.280 or even the thought of it. So I want to 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.000 kind of have it close to home too. So that 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.520 just gave me a little inspo. So thank you on that. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:44.680 Of course. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.040 Of course, if if your kid grows up and wants 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.119 to be on TV, what will be your advice to them? 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.480 Oh? Wow, great question. I would just want to make 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.119 sure that it was something that they really wanted to do, 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.800 something that they were very passion about, and how to plan, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.240 like what's your five year plan, what's your ten year plan, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.840 what's your plan B, what's your plan C? Because you know, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.120 I think that, look, if you want to go out 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.240 and just for one experience, go on a show like 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.960 Traders and and just that's going to be it, and 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.640 that's your plan, that that's great, But you know, it's 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.320 it's tough out there, and I think that if if 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.000 you're going into it like, oh, I don't know, Like 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.720 I just kind of want to, like, you know, I'm 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.560 going to be in entertainment and We'll see where it 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.520 goes and not really have a game plan like it's 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.480 too cut thrown out there, you guys know, like this 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.840 is it's you know, the business doesn't have time for that, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.360 and you got to be a hustler. You got to 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:37.800 be ready to get after it, and you've got to 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.920 have a good plan and stick to your guns cause 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.120 you're going to get in the washing machine that is Hollywood, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.440 and you know it'll spit you out when it wants to, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.640 not when you choose to or how you choose to. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.240 So I would just want to make sure that there's 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.800 a plan there and there's a passion behind it so 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.480 that there's a real drive. And then other than that, 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.200 like hey, if there's a one off where it's like 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.920 I really data, just like I'm gonna go be a lawyer, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.599 but first I to go do traders. What can I 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.040 say there? You know it's like, well I get it, 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.040 So I get it. You're you're you're going for it. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.680 This child's going to be so normal. I can't. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:12.159 You know. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.400 When my son asked to become an actor. He came 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.719 home from football practice. He wasn't built at the time 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.800 like the rest of the kids, and I was like, 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.520 go do your don't get the out of my That's 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.680 what I said to him. However, a month later, we 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.839 were filming a movie that nothing ever came out of 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.479 in la because I did let him see for himself. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.599 Sure, so the old you know, filming a movie that 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.320 nothing comes from it, no one ever necessarily sees it, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.480 or the idea of what you read in a script, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.760 and then eventually what made the screen and if it 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.240 ever even made it to anybody's screen. Oh, it's a 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.200 fun it's a fun world. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.360 It was a m Yeah, exactly. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.440 You live in a very unique world. Very few people 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.200 have been able to be reality stars. And then on 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.720 the unscripted stars, unscripted and scripted, do you like one 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:01.479 better than the other? 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.080 I liked the scripted, you know. I even going on 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.560 Traders was a big move for me. But I always 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.240 wanted to work in entertainment. I liked creative writing, I 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.840 liked performing. I wasn't going to tell anybody that in 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.240 high school, middle school because that would be in my 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.039 eyes at the time, social suicide and I was like, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.680 I want to have fun and and and you know, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.960 go to parties and mingle with friends, and so I 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.279 wasn't gonna, you know, do musical theater during that time. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.120 But the interesting thing is when MTV came around with 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.800 Laguna Beach, it was that moment where you're in, you know, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.320 your second semester of high school. You're you're done with 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.560 it right, You're ready to move on. And I didn't 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.960 want to conform to the trends or or I wasn't. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.520 I wasn't necessarily as worried what everyone was thinking in 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.080 my high school at that point. So while in freshman, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.320 if it was freshman year, I would have never done it. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.159 But senior year it was time to move on, and 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.279 so I took the leap, knowing that all my guy 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.239 friends are gonna be like, what are you doing, dude, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.920 that's so lame. I was like, no, you understand, like. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:06:59.920 They do that. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.200 Did they say that to you? 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.360 Oh? Yeah, I remember. I remind my buddy this all 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.400 the time. One of my first scenes sitting outside of 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.320 a cafe with Lauren here in the Gunda Beach and 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.840 one of my buddies, A couple buddies drive by and 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.600 they just roll down the windows and they're just yelling 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.960 stuff that I can't repeat. And I was so already 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.440 so nervous that I was taking that. I was like, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.160 oh my gosh, here we go. But at the end 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.760 of the day, again, you know, I had a plan. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.960 There was things I wanted to do, and and you know, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.040 I thought, honestly, it would be more on the sports side. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.720 I thought, you know, I grew up watching Sports Center 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.680 when you had Dan Patrick and Keith Oberman, and they 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.760 would the way that they would talk about the highlights 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.840 and and you know, they would make it such an 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.040 entertaining show. You know, something like that appealed to me, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.080 and that's why I transitioned right into hosting with MTV. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.600 But I took some acting classes as well as well, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.680 and I'd done a little bit of that in middle school, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.280 and when I started to take it seriously, I just 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:54.880 kind of caught the bug and I was like, all right, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.160 there's some things I want to do here. So thankfully, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.760 it's it's been a good run so far. It's been 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.680 good to me. It's up and ups and downs, for sure. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.040 You know. Early on, I had a lot given to 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.400 me because I was on Laguna Beach. You know that 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.600 was not deserved. You know, we were plucked from complete 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.800 obscurity and thrown on the show into MTV when MTV 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.920 was near its peak. And you know, I'm proud to 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.120 say that all these years later, it's you know, I've 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.840 been around the business and ridden all sorts of highs 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.640 and lows and grinded through it, you know. And to 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.480 sit here now and I have a second season of 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.280 an independent show that my partner James Lafey, and I 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.600 shot together and we got it on Hulu. To you know, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.640 be able to even be relevant in a way where 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.920 someone would consider me to be on Traders, I think 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.640 is super special. I feel really grateful for that. And 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.720 Traders was the show I had to come back. And 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.520 do you know, there's been a lot of them that 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.760 have been offered over the years, and this one was 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:49.320 was the one. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.800 Is there any other ones that you would do? Like 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.040 I was looking at Special Forces. I think you could 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.040 do it. You're a very fit and athletic and I'm 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.480 just like, but there are people that are fit in 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:00.480 athletic on it and. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.360 They didn't not do well. And I mean. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.640 There's just a few other shows. Is there any other 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.800 ones in your site? 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.160 You know, after after doing Traders, you would think that 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.640 I was I probably thought I signed up for special 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.800 Forces based on my just like mission aggressiveness, like okay, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.080 here to tackle these missions. This is where I'm gonna 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:24.000 get into this game. But yeah, you know I always 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:29.120 said that look the the MTV kind of personal life 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.480 and sensationalizing it with everything that was again we were kids. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.400 That was going on in my life at that time. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.080 It really scared me away for for a long time. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.000 And I probably you know, you psychologically could probably look 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.640 back and be like, all right, maybe there's some moves 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.559 here of why he's he's dipping in a scripted and 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.760 hiding behind some characters rather than continuing to be you 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:54.960 know yourself. And I you know, I just I wasn't 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.560 gonna do anything that was gonna be around my personal 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.960 life because I saw the way mt BE twisted it 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.000 and why there was plenty of truth that they had 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.000 their story based in truth, but the way that they 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:08.320 could twist it and uh that it just scarred me 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.760 for a while. So I think when the focus is 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.160 on something like a competition and not who you're who 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.400 you are personally necessarily, which is the other thing that 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.640 that drew me to the show. That's where I could 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:25.040 see myself, you know, doing another show. I'm a competitive person, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.000 athletic and as you see, you know, trying to tackle 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.720 these missions. So if there's something it's like an amazing race, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.280 you know, special Forces. Uh, that's definitely something I would 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.760 consider that. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.600 I'm I want to do more. I love Traders so much. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.760 I want to do Traders again. I'm hoping I miss it. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.559 It's hard to watch because I miss it so much. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.000 Yeah, yeah, I hope they run it back with with 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.240 a bunch of people or maybe there's yeah, there's I mean, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.040 it's it's interesting going out there. You know, obviously the 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.640 build up to the first day and and and you 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.400 know you're kind of locked away for a few days. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.600 You got everything taken away from me. You know, I'm 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.199 an active person, so I was getting a little stir crazy. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.840 Oh yeah, once the game got going and the momentum 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.560 picked up, It's not a lot of fun. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.920 Being in that room, is right, it is. It is rough. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.199 I'm just curious because you come from such a kind 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.840 of a different thing than the housewives. What did you 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.360 think when you met the housewives, what were they like 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.520 to They're a little crazy, They're they're wild, They're pretty intense, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.480 and I know you're like so nice, so I'm curious 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:36.760 what you think of everyone. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.880 Or fully intimidating? Are you kidding me? I was like, man, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.920 I'm out of my league here. These these are reality 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.560 TV vets, these are big personalities. I'm just this kid 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.760 from Laguna Beach that was on a reality show twenty 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.520 years ago popping in here. And so I was, yeah, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.760 I went in there very intimidated and also impressed. I 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.439 knew that there were gonna be some big personal I'm 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.040 not familiar with the housewives going in. I know a 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.520 little bit and my my wife coached me up. But 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.840 once I got in there and met them, I was like, damn, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.400 Like they came to play and they play their roles 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.840 very very well. So I have I already had respect 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.079 for what they do. And I know, I mean that's 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.679 the other thing. It's like people when I was getting 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.199 started in reality people were looking down on it like crazy, right. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.360 They did, especially trained actors. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:32.720 They were like like, how are you getting more camera tiet? 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.600 Like how are you getting these you know, to be 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.000 on TV, then we're not. And I'm a trained actor. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.120 I went to school for it. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.720 I'm from here, I'm from there, and I've been doing 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.880 this all my life. But yeah, you're on TV. They 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:43.800 hated us for it. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.599 Yeah, I get. I mean it was like people would say, like, 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.600 this is the deathbed of the art, you know, and trying. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.760 I remember that stepping into acting classes when I was, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.880 you know, coming off of this reality show. It was 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.800 it was a bit of a leap back then. But 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.760 I to me, you know, yeah, look, at the end 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.240 of the day, even those jobs I've you know, I've 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.520 read about the schedules for the Housewives. It's it's it's crazy. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.600 It's a full time job and and for anybody to 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.559 look down on it is ridiculous. So again I had 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.280 respect already going in, but then meeting them and just 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.440 seeing the way that they handle their roles and play there, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.439 you know, played the version of themselves that they play 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.640 is impressive, and so I really enjoyed them and getting 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.120 to know that. I mean, look look at our our traders. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.640 You know, you've got Lisa, You've got Candace. I mean, 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.560 what great personalities to put up in the turret and 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.960 and Candace is as she says, she's main character energy 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.000 and Lisa is just an icon. So and the jet 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.199 position between them and Rob right, it's just it's it's 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:48.599 very well done. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.960 Let's talk about the show. You know, if I was 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.319 on this season, you would would be spiking my spidy 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.680 sense a little bit because you have been on reality 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.080 TV before. But then also you are an amazing actor 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.880 who can pretend to be something else. In my mind 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.800 out of like, you'd be perfect to be a trader. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.440 Did you want to be a trader or did you 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.560 always want to be a faithful? 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.120 Yeah? You know, I there was. It was tough because 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.800 I wanted to be a faithful. I wanted to play 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.520 the game as a faithful. I did not want to 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.960 go and try to lie the whole time and have 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.840 to carry I guess the weight. I wasn't sure exactly 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.120 how I'd handle the weight of being a trader, as 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.080 I was already feeling again. I talked a little bit 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.640 about being intimidated stepping onto that set with all the 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.680 reality vets and not having done reality in a while. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.880 So I really wanted to play the games of faithful. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.600 And it's funny looking back, there was always a little bit. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.160 I was like, you know what, being a trader would 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.360 be really fun. Definitely saw that side of it. But 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.840 I was like, you know what, I think I'm best 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.520 served being a faithful and I felt like that's how 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.040 I can make it the furthest So that's what I 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.960 went with. I did say early on, I was like, look, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.080 I want to make this clear, like I can handle 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.920 being a trader. If someone's going to recruit me to 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:18.880 be a trader. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:26.640 Yeah, let me ask you this, what was your strategy 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.920 going into the show, because if you were like, Okay, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.960 I'm going to be a faithful. Was it to lay low, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.280 was it to create alliances? Was it to be you know, boisterous. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:37.640 What was your strategy coming in? 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.240 Yeah? You know, obviously, once you sign up to do 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.400 the show, you're trying to consume you know, past players 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.480 experiences and just learn as much about the game. You know. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.440 I really kind of dove into it and was like, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.640 all right, how can I make it as far as possible? 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:52.920 You know, I want to make it to the end. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.200 I want to win. You know, I didn't. I didn't 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.040 go there to be a loud voice in the room, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.240 to try to fight for camera time or anything that 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.280 I went there, you know, basically to challenge myself and 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.920 see see how I can handle the situation. And so 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.080 I wanted to go in and know that I can 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.600 excel in missions. So I felt like, if there's one 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.920 thing that the Traders and Faithfuls can agree on, obviously, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.800 it's getting that price fund as high as possible. And 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.720 they're going to like the people that are good at 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.200 the missions. So to me, even though that's not necessarily 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.040 everyone's part of like a favorite part of the game, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.960 I saw that as a spot where I can excel 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.400 and play to my strength. And so we're going to 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.080 speak up there be a loud voice outside which is 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.160 during the missions, so that it's memorable. And then the 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.160 Traders when they're thinking about who they need to act, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.960 hopefully they're going to have that thought, well, he's really 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.200 good at handling the mission, so we should probably keep 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.600 him around, which did pay off, which I was so 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.400 happy to see. At the end of episode four, Rob's 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.640 putting my name up and then Lisa and Candics were like, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.200 he's a mission guy, we should keep him around. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.640 So and then I think you're too stop. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.360 They wanted you there for a few reasons, I'd say, 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.320 and you were very nice. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.639 But I also yeah, I also was not. I wanted 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:12.320 to sit back and and and just try to learn 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.280 who everybody was. I wanted to just have a moment 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.440 with everybody. Wasn't you know, gonna jump to any conclusions 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.680 on anybody and doing that it was going to be 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.320 more observing than trying to rally the troops. You know, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.639 I was engaging in conversations with everybody. It's interesting, you know, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.800 of course, how much is shot all your different conversations 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.680 and even moments that are you know that people I'm 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.760 sure would like to know happened that aren't in the show. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.679 You know, it would be interesting to see like a 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.240 reel of some of the scenes. Right, It's like they 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.800 they they have all sorts of stuff. So I just 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.040 wanted to sit back and observe more people. I knew 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.600 that there was going to be a big personality, so 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.960 it's gonna let them do their thing. And you know what, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.240 it seemed like early on in the game, everyone's looking 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.280 for just something to pin on somebody that's not themselves. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.200 There is the all right, united, the faithful Front, right, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:09.120 we're finding the traders, but there's also self preservation and 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.720 so in that, you know, sitting back and letting the 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.480 louder voices in the room kind of, you know, bury themselves. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.040 In some cases, that was that was the part of 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:19.760 my strategy. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.200 Well, let's talk about the loudest voice in the room 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.720 and them burying themselves in Michael rapampor you. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.800 Know what, was the best looking, more of the smartest, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.399 the dopest, faith dopest ever. So I spoke to Michael 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.480 before he left, because you know, you do, you call 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.720 someone and that had been there before and and I said, Mike, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.879 just be quiet, like try you're very smart. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:45.439 He's smart. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.720 He clocked a few of the traders right out of 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.359 the box, right, and he couldn't. He just couldn't do it. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.120 And he played himself, which is fine to do. I mean, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.480 you did too, right, You went in there playing yourself 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.000 and uh. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.840 It, I knew it. It was gonna hurt him. It 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:03.200 was good. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.800 It's not, but that was good for you and it 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.000 was good for the game. And actually it was good TV. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.440 We loved watching Michael unravel at the table. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.679 Incredibly entertaining. And he's not at the table if he's 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.439 at the dinner table. Just the way he's eating his 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.000 food is fascinating to people, as you can see. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.840 Okay, we got to talk about that talk. Is it 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.119 always like that? Is he always shoveling food down his gullet? 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:24.280 Oh? 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.439 Yeah, he was. I mean I think it's in at 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.439 least two episodes. Oh I know, but yeah, it was 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.159 so funny. I remember a couple of times. You know, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:32.840 you're in the breakfast room there, even if you're coming 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.399 back from a mission and you're gathering lunch, uh and 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.960 he's just, you know, shoveling stuff on a plate, and 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.119 he's just like he's talking to some of the camera guys. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.800 He's like, all right, which one you which one? He 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.679 is gonna follow me and watch me eat. It's like 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.040 they didn't think going to film school, this is what 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.320 you're gonna be doing, you know, ten years later it's 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.520 filming some schmut from uhh, shove the food in his mouth. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.840 So I think he knew what he was doing. And look, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.560 I think he also that is what he does, right, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.119 it's and I think he was he was happy to 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:02.400 show that, knowing that. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.840 He's unapologetic about who he is and we love him 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.960 for it. So but did you think that when he 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.159 said that to Culton, that he was doing it in 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.359 a malicious way. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.280 I didn't see it like that. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.800 No, you know, it took me a second to to 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.680 truly pick up because there was there's so much going 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.840 back and forth, right, and I remember when he when 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.960 he said that, it felt like a low blow, but 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.320 I knew he didn't just come out of nowhere was 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.000 saying it, right. He obviously wanted to call him out 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.840 for keeping a secret, so he's you know, I think 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.879 he's he was able to say whatever he felt like 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.280 he wanted to say in that moment. I think he 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.200 knew that he was maybe pushing a button a little 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.320 bit with him as they were getting pretty heated. But yeah, look, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.200 I think it got very very emotional in there, and 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.040 a lot of people were speaking back to Michael as 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.000 as he was just talking and talking and talking. And 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.920 that was the the tough thing about that round table. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.399 I mean, he he we would try to you know, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.520 there's a lot of heat on rawn. You know, we're 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.320 obviously Tippany had already left, but we were trying to 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.040 work through different people's you know, facts and pieces of evidence, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.240 and then Michael would just kind of take it and 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.840 be like, you know what. I know we're all talking 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.840 about this, but we should be looking at this guy. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:23.720 Yeah, there was a lot of. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.080 Jam Jam and Michael. They had a lot of back 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:32.120 and forth as well. I feel like, look, Michael knows 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:33.720 what he's doing as your Sandy's a smart He's a 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:34.240 smart guy. 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:35.119 He's smart. 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:35.360 Yeah. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.800 I kind of thought he was ready to get out 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.760 of the game, to be honest with you, because he 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:45.440 had such a he was being so loud and and 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.119 and and and taking over a lot of conversations and 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.159 being and being you know, Michael, even though when he 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.119 was talking about his wife was like, hey, just just 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.560 make sure you just try to stay quiet, you know this, 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.919 and he just he wasn't going to do that. He 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:58.600 was going to be true to himself and and I 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.720 think that's what he did. But I remember he talked about, 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.280 you know, Game seven of the NBA Championship was about 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.600 to go about to happen right right around that day, 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:08.760 and he's like, he's like, see, we're gonna we gotta 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:10.400 watch the game. How are we gonna watch the game? 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.840 And I felt like at that roundtable, the way he 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.960 just started just unloading and and and was not holding 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.880 anything back and was happy to push buttons with everybody. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.280 He was already pushing everyone's buttons. Now he was like, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.400 all right, I don't feel like I really like, I'm 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.720 gonna just take it to the next step. And he 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.480 did that, and I was like, all right, it's almost 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.160 like he wants out of this game at this point. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.119 Maybe he wanted to go watch Game seven. 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.520 So I don't think anyone even thought he was a trader. 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:38.520 They just wanted him out. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.439 Yeah, you know, yeah, I think that he was so 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.639 voisterous at a point where this he can't be a 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.679 trader because he would just be the worst trader. By 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:52.159 leaning so hard and being so loud, you're drawing so 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.520 much attention to yourself where you are in fact annoying people, 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.800 and people want you out for that reason alone. So yeah, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.000 a lot of people, they weren't necessarily thinking he was 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:02.880 a trader. Yeah. 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.000 I mean, and you guys have the faithfuls at least 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.399 have taken a little bit of criticism of knowing that 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.480 someone's really not a trader and still voting them out 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.520 just because they were unpopular or annoying. I mean, it 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.800 happened in our season, Sandoval was doing the exact same thing. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.720 He was very he was very loud, he was he 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.440 was trying to get glorious. He was also trying to 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.840 get Krishelle out a lot, and he was just kind 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:28.400 of distracting everybody. And so obviously traders love that because 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.399 that's distracting everyone away from what everyone's doing. You're keeping 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.000 the eye, your eye off the ball. But the truth 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.879 of the matter is is that you guys all voted 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.560 him out knowing that you weren't a step closer to 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:42.200 getting a trader. 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.760 Now frustrating part. I mean, I stuck with my vote 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.040 for Ron, you know, because we had the most evidence 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:53.360 on Ron, and and it's and it was going Ron's way. 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.280 It was just like the first round table. We should 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.200 have had a trader on the first round table. I 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:58.639 don't know if you guys know this, but we were 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.879 all the that the votes were swinging for Donna as 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.080 you saw in the second round table and went heavily 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.560 against her. Yeah, it should have gone that way the 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.560 first round table. But here comes Ron out of who 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.000 was pretty quiet, all of a sudden, he he he 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.200 speaks up, and he's he's got some hard facts and 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.240 to his credit, they're legit. I mean obviously, as we said, yeah, 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.080 seeing that play out and seeing what he saw, I 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.160 feel really bad for Ron, and I mean, he saw 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.840 evidence and he went with it. So it was tough 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:30.399 that he brought it up there at the roundtable and 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.600 not beforehand so we could talk about it because he 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.600 knew everyone was going and he's he was spending some 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.160 time against is kind of what hurt Donna. She started 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.320 to get a little more quiet in a corner a 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:44.840 bit and not overly engaging even if somebody engages you, 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.320 because it's one thing obviously to be sitting quiet in 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.000 a corner, but when you know, you start engaging a conversation. 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.240 And so Ron and her we're kind of hanging out. 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.200 So the fact that we all were on Donna and 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.960 then Ron was with her, it it put on Ron's back. 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.800 But yeah, yeah, I think going into that one, we 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:03.840 we knew we had to kind of clear the table 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.240 of Ron and Michael was not going to let that happens. 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.439 Camera right back to Michael and be like, hey, guys, 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.359 I'm here, I may or may not want to go 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.639 watch Game seven, So yeah, let's go down. 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.760 But you know, you know, Ron. He I feel like, 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.920 changed a lot of minds in this most recent round table, 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.679 and he employed a really good tactic of being like, 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.800 I'm going to go around and tell everyone what I 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.320 like about them, because this is gonna be the last 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.080 time I speak to them. And then all of a sudden, 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.520 everyone changed and was like, I don't think I don't 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:41.600 think he is a trader. In that moment, were you 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.879 still on Ron or were you believing that he was 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:47.800 actually faithful. 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.680 Yeah, it was tough. It was one of those moments where, 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:58.160 if you know, having swung towards Portia in that first 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.680 round table really affected my strategy rest of the game 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.680 because and then also kind of towards Tiffany because I 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.119 was going to go for Ron, but then stuff with 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.639 Tiffany came up. I had a little something that happened 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.119 with her where I was like, okay, you know what, 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.080 she's giving me a little bit suspicion. So I moved 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.120 off of Ron and and now it's like, okay, poor show. 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.879 That was a fail, Tiffany fail. I was like, look, 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.399 just stick to your guns. Don't let other people sway you. 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.200 Stick with the evidence in your mind that you feel 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.920 like is the strongest and go from there. So I did, 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.200 and and and with Ron, there is that time after 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.480 you've written their name down and as you know, you know, 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.320 as they're going around and there they're speaking to everybody, 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.400 or even after you you give your explanation of why 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:38.919 you voted for them, that they look you in the 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.640 eye and they say something. And I felt like that's 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.520 when I would get a real honest read, so I did. 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.679 Before he got up there, I was like, oh no, 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.080 I think I think Ron very well. Is it faithful? 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.800 And there was suspicion before, but again at that point 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.440 he had the most heat and we had to clear 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.280 it to move on to the next thing because this 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:00.239 we are doing so many favors for the traders far 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.120 in this game, they are kicking our ass right. There 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.520 were just the in fighting and and and I mean, 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.160 it's yeah, it's it's bad. So I was like, look, 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.600 I'm just gonna go. I'm going to clear this with Ron. 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.119 And and then as we as it was great his 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.480 exit going around and saying a little bit about everybody. 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.720 And then also I don't know if they the show 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.480 because I actually haven't seen it yet, but when he 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.600 when he stands up there and just his speech there 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.360 was was amazing too. He thanked everybody and the crew 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.560 in the background and talked about the experience. He's he's 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.840 a sweetheart. Ron was was awesome and it was it 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:32.679 was tough to see him go, but he had to. 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:37.040 Unfortunately, you guys keep talking in that roundtable of like, well, 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.359 we have to vote out Ron, so we can at 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.359 least close this chapter and get clarity. What was the 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.720 clarity that you were going to find out if Ron 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.280 ended up being faithful? 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:49.160 That's a good question. 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.600 Yeah, I think that the evidence Okay, just those that 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:59.840 were really pressing on Ron, those that were really gunning 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.160 for him, we could probably raise some suspicion on them 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:07.480 now that that voting record, And then you can also 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.760 look at the people that were not going to vote 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.000 for Ron, and we're saying, you, look, I don't I 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.280 know he's got all the there. There's there's a long 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.240 list of things that have happened at this point, but like, 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.240 I really do believe that he's a faithful So I 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.360 think those folks we can also deduce are probably faithful 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.159 because if you're a trader, you're most likely happy to 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.600 see Ron go and continue to to keep you know, 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.400 having to their faithful, you know, be asked, So, yeah, 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.520 I think it's it's that voting record ultimately, and that 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.480 does become a you know a big part of the show, 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:38.040 as you guys know. 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.200 Oh for for sure. 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.800 But you know it does weigh heavy on you when 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.920 you vote out of faithful, right as you're saying, like 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.480 with Porsche and Tiffany, it doesn't. 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.200 You don't only feel Michael though. 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.400 No, not Michael, I Saiffany. 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:57.480 But but you don't only feel bad. Especially Tiffany was heartbreaking. 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.800 But but then you kind of kind of like lose 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:03.600 a little confidence in yourself and what the other people 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.000 that actually really gunned for them. So is there any 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.760 point where like your emotions took over because mine did 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.360 many times in the game that where you said, like, 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.440 I'm done, I just want to go home. I don't 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.200 I don't want to hurt another person. I don't want 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.239 to vote out another person. This is killing me. 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.560 You know. The Tiffany vote was emotional for me, and 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:28.200 I was surprised how quickly the game got emotional. Part 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.840 of that was just the way I had conversations with 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.440 her privately, also the way she was speaking at the 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:38.080 roundtable obviously very eloquent and her her personal story. You 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.640 know that that just pulls at the hard strings. And 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.760 so that was that was tough. I think what happens 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.000 is there's just kind of a competitive thing with me. 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.040 It was like, all right, we need to lock in, 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.040 like all right, what happened here? Like what was wrong? 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.719 Where did we go wrong with tiffany? How can we 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.040 not do that the next time? Who had some some 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.840 good bits about maybe it's not her and why and 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.560 maybe we can lean on them a little bit and 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.000 see what they're thinking, because maybe they're seeing something that 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.200 we aren't as far as their instincts. 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.520 The Candice really, although she was a trader, really went 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.480 for her like tried to save her, right. 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.400 Yeah, yeah, I know that would throw you off of 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:15.560 one hundred percent. And that's the crazy part it is 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.720 with this game. It is absolute madness. It is such 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:21.680 a rollercoaster and as soon as you think you have 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.160 a thread of a solid strategy or play and maybe 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.720 you're thinking a couple of steps ahead, that could unravel 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:29.800 so fast and. 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.400 It's a monkey wrench. 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.880 It really is. And so you have to stay on 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.400 your toes constantly, constantly and I learned that, you know, 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.240 early on in the game through these roundtables, just like okay, 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.600 I here's my plan, and then just all there's just 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.120 there's so many different curve balls you have to be 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.440 ready to in real time to react to them. And yeah, 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.560 that's a very it's a very fascinating part of the game. 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.400 There's no single way of like, Okay, this is the 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.160 strategy that will win you the game, right, it doesn't 0:30:58.200 --> 0:30:59.800 matter what you do, you have to depending on the 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.720 personalities are there, depending on what happens day of day, 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.800 depending on what you say and who you say it to. 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.840 At certain times. You know, you could play the game, 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:09.760 you know, one hundred times and you have you know, 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:10.840 a hundred different outcomes. 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.720 There's really no strategy to be high. 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.560 Like, so if somebody's coming into the game the next 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:19.080 time it airs, somebody's gonna call you and they're gonna say, 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:20.720 what's your best advice for me? 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:22.640 No one called me. 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.560 I'm here, you're telling me that Michael called you. I'm like, 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.200 I was so scared by NBC. Not then they didn't 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.719 scare me per se, but I just was like, I 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.560 was like, I'm gonna just not talk to anybody, I'm 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.640 gonna just step into this. And so I didn't speak 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.160 to anybody going into the game that I was reading 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.920 all of what you guys all people, and I wish 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.800 I had more of those contacts. But now, yeah, I 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.360 recommend anybody who was going to do the show feel 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.040 free to reach out. I will happily engage it. And 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.920 don't be too scared of the powers that be. As 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.160 far as connect, you're not going to tell on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:03.320 But look, I think that you have to be able 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.520 to early on in the game sit back a little 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:13.320 bit and observe and watch exactly who's acting which way, 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.400 who's being a loud voice in the room, who is 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.720 rallying the troops and why. I think if you can 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.640 observe that and then choose very wisely when you want 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.760 to speak up, and do speak up. You know you 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.840 don't want to be Don't be the person that sits 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.600 back and doesn't do anything and is super quiet the 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.120 whole time. You need to. You need to speak up. 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:36.360 Make sure you speak up at the round tables. Make 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.880 sure you're showing the faithfuls that you are trying to 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:40.240 figure out who the traders are. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.400 I want to I want to talk to you about 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.840 Colton because there does seem to be a little bit 0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.320 of a double standard between him and Ron. They both 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.160 did the exact same thing, but everyone went after Ron 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.000 instead of going after Colton, because you know, yeah, Colton 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.240 was wrong about Tiffany, very very boisterous about it. He 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:14.280 was wrong about Michael Rappaport as well. But somehow all 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.160 of the kind of like the shame and blame went 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:21.239 on to Ron. But in this most recent roundtable, all 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.960 of a sudden, it turns and you have Ron up, 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.840 You've got Colton up, and then you've got Lisa, who 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.000 was not on anyone's radar except for Colton, and then 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.920 he was able to skew that entire room to get 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.680 very very close to getting Lisa out, so much so 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:43.280 that a fellow trader in Rob votes for Lisa in 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.760 that moment. Are you thinking that Colton could be a 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.920 trader or that Lisa could be a trader or is 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:54.360 it just like we got to know about Rone. 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.120 I felt pretty confident that Colton was a faithful I 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.440 think that you can look at the voting record and 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.560 be suspicious, but it did seem like he was very 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.440 earnest in how he wanted to play the game. He 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.000 wanted to figure out who the traders were as soon 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.399 as I mean, he was the first one. As soon 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:11.959 as we got somebody. It was like, all right, who's 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:16.239 next right away? And his instincts were lining up with 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.400 a lot of hours right in mind personally, you know, 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.000 when he spoke up about Lisa, it was something I 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.239 was like, yep, there was something that I've had there. 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.640 And so I think when you've got even though he's 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.000 swinging and missing, just like Ron did, there's there's big 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.399 swings and it's a big miss the end of the day. 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.160 At least Colton is he's kind of got his track 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.600 record of really trying, you know, earnestly to actually figure 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.680 it out. And Ron kind of came out of left 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.440 field and just started presenting this evidence at the roundtable. 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:50.160 And meanwhile, somebody else was clearly in the hot seat, 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:52.759 and so it was like, all right, is he distracting us? 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.839 So I think that there's the difference there. It's kind 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.120 of what I talked about earlier about a little bit 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:57.640 of the strategy. It's like, you don't want to sit 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.640 back too much, right everyone says he has to sit 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.840 back and and just goes through the first few episodes, 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.520 don't speak up because you never know what can happen. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.319 But you do want to speak up a little bit. 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.080 You want to you want to show that you're trying 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.440 to figure out who the Traders are and you're presenting 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.120 some evidence that you have. So yeah, I think at 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.000 that point I wasn't on the Colton. I was on 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.520 to Lisa, so I lined with him there, but I 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.080 still again was like, all right, I got to stick 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.040 to my guns here. Everything that's happened up to this point, 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.120 I need to stick with my vote until I get 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.200 more evidence, and right now we're not ready to go 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:33.080 full on Lisa. 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.560 Did you ever happen to notice Trader on Trader in 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.640 my season? At watching my season? Did you see how 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.480 they wanted to kill each other? The Traders gave themselves 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.640 away every time they got in a fight because they 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.120 it would be so between the two of them going 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.440 after each other, And. 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.480 There's always that The only way to really know. 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.480 If somebody's one hundred percent of Trader is if you're 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:55.200 a Trader. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:36:00.319 Yep, yep. I think, yeah, it's interesting, you know this 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.560 point through five episodes, or six episodes in the game. 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.480 Maybe we didn't see what I'm saying up till now, 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.960 have you seen have you ever looked at two people 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:09.359 and go. 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:14.839 Mmm, there there were there were times there was a 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:18.239 bit of of actually, even Colton and Michael, you know, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:22.279 there's your yeah, ruled up right, And and so I 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.839 would allow myself to go down the path and thinking, 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.680 all right, what's the scenario here where this is these 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.279 are two traders that are just fighting up in the 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.120 turret and now they're taking it in the round table 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.799 and saying, all right, who can we get acts first? 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.720 So you know, that is something that is definitely talked about. 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.880 I never really had, up to this point a strong 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.240 inclination that there was any trader on trader fighting happening. 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.120 No, I don't. I didn't see. Well, we haven't seen 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.080 it so far. I want to see the most wives fight, though. 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.439 Yeah. They up to this point they they've had real, 0:36:56.120 --> 0:37:02.120 real clean synergy I think between the traders and and I. Yeah, 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.040 they're they're kicking ass up there. 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:04.719 They really are. 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.640 They're doing a great job, and they're agreeing on things, 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.279 and I kind of like it. I think that's the 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.200 job the traders are supposed to do if they want 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:14.480 to win. 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.920 Do you guys like, was there somebody else that you 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.160 wish was up in the turret? Or do you like 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:20.439 the Traders that they chose? 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.319 I love the Traders. Well, of course I'm biased, but 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:24.960 I love the Traders that they chose. 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.960 Yeah, every season, you know, like for for my season, 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.279 my big complaint was I thought that the Traders are 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.279 being stupid, and that's like what ended up getting me 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.600 kicked out. I was like, that was dumb. We're going 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.560 to get rid of Derinda. And then this this season, 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.479 I'm like, Oh, the Traders are really really smart and 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.440 doing a much better job than I think in the 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:52.520 in the season past. But listen, you know the thread 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.480 on the sweater is starting to unravel with Rob voting 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.880 for Lisa and seeing the writing on the wall. You 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.560 haven't seen the episode ode, so I don't even know 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.760 if you know that this happened. But Colton took Lisa 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:09.120 aside and effectively tried to create an alliance, saying, I 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.359 know you're Creator. If you are, I won't say your 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.439 name if you protect me and we go all the way. 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.360 Did you know that that had happened? 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:18.959 Yes, he did. He did tell a couple of us 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:20.320 that that happened. 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:22.360 So I don't think that's a good idea. 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.640 No, that's again I think, uh, Colt's playing a dangerous game. 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.400 He knew he was playing a dangerous game. But and 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:30.799 I was sitting there going like, you know what, better 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.880 him than me again, because you know, we want to 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.600 make it to the end and give Colton a lot 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.320 of credit. He was I think Candace dubbed him varsity 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:44.160 early on. He was leading the charge. Uh, And to me, 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.120 I was like, man, it's it's going to get him 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.920 out of his game at some point. That's the way 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:54.640 I felt. But yeah, he uh, he did mention that. 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.960 He he told me and it was also it was 0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.360 it was a part of what he put forth to 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.279 some of us. And as far as evidence of like 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.080 I called out Lisa, I just said it right to 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.560 her face. I said, just protect me in the turret 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.560 and he said that, you know just she had a 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.759 little bit of a chuckle. I guess you guys have 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.560 seen it. But that was a validating moment for him. 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.640 If there wasn't any you know, anything left to doubt 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.800 that she was a trader, that was a big moment 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.319 for him. That sealed it. 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.600 It was a bold move, as you know, like a 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.160 guy who's worked on a reality TV show for a 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:32.280 very very long time. I understand the edit and the cut. 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.319 My question to you is, is there someone that's not 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.600 getting airtime thus far that you thought would be getting 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.879 more airtime? Like, I'm surprised that, like Johnny's not on 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.719 my screen more because I feel like that guy is 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.080 so fun to watch on TV. But for someone that 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.440 was there, were you, Like, I'm surprised that they're not 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.319 a bigger presence in the show thus far. 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:56.320 Yeah, Johnny's a great one. Johnny's hilarious. I love Johnny. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.560 He has I mean, he's enjoyed to be around. He's 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.799 got some great some funny lines, and and just brought 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.440 a lot every single day. Yeah, surprised to see not 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.120 as much Johnny. There's also there was a lot of 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.319 jam Jam. I know he's gotten some good camera time, 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.279 but there was a lot of Michael and jam Jam, 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.799 and they leaned more on the Michael and Colton, but 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.520 there was Yeah, there was a heavy back and forth 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.080 between jam Jam and Michael. So I was surprised to 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:27.000 not see all of that in there. But yeah, you know, 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.480 I think at this point you've got some there's some 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.400 great personalities in the turn where you know it's funny. 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.520 I mean Rob early on, you know, I went into 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.480 the game, I met Ryana. Hey, what's what's up? My 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.000 name Steve, and he's like, hey, I'm Rob. I'm like, cool, man, 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.480 where are you from? He's like Alabama. I'm like okay. 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.160 And then everyone the first he was one of the 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.000 first that everyone was like, hey, the guy, the snake dude, 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.080 like he's he's probably a trader because we had nothing 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.200 to go off of, right, and you're just looking to 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.560 point a finger at somebody. So everyone was pointing at 0:40:54.600 --> 0:41:00.000 Rob from that before the traders were even picked. Right 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.719 after the secret Trader was picked, I was like, man, 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.680 what's up with his energy? And so it's it's interesting 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.520 to see now watching the show and seeing him in 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.680 the turret and seeing how he's talking in his interviews 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.279 as well. Right, I mean, he's just you know, he's 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.759 he's a smart dude. So I I you see the 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.319 personalities that they got up there. You're seeing a lot 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.520 of the traders, you know, more than that, I guess, 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.080 but yeah, look at list is a big personality. Candae 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.319 is a big personality, and and Rob in his own 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.239 right is a great personality. His whole strategy and the 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.960 way he's playing the game is is fun to watch 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.320 right now. So yeah, but yeah, at the end of 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.560 the day, I think, to answer your question, Johnny's a 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.919 great one. I would have liked to see Monette stick around. 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.560 Monete was a great personality, and I thought he was 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:51.440 gonna go really far, and so it just sucks again. 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.240 He just he's not speaking up to a lot of people, 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:55.960 but he spoke up to the wrong person. 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:59.359 And yeah for that, Ah, that's that sucks. I would 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:00.839 have liked teen him more too. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.239 But was it your theory, Wells that you said that 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.879 they show or maybe it was Paul, it was me, Oh, 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.120 was you okay? That they show a lot of the 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.480 people that are going to last longer? They don't show 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.600 a lot of the people that last in the beginning. 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.960 Yeah, they give all the screen time to the people. 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.960 That are that are being or murdered. 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.520 Yeah. Yeah, And so it's a little and I could 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:25.040 be totally wrong, but it's a little bit of a tell. 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.359 Like the Johnny one, Mike, my theory is is that 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.560 he goes a very far way because he's way too 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.520 big of a personality to have not been on my 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:40.160 screen enough, you know. But like Michael Rappaport was a firecracker. 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.719 He burned bright and fast and it was out, you know. Like, 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.520 so I look at the TV show that way, not 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.520 to get like two insider Baseballly, but you know what, 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.080 but to get insider Baseballly. There's a lot of stuff 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:53.840 that gets left on the cutting moon floor. It's always 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.960 my favorite stuff on Paradise. I'm always like, I'm so 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.400 bummed that didn't make it because it was so funny 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.400 or is so dramatic or whatever. On Yeah, was there 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.319 anything that happened on Traders that didn't make the cut 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.080 that you were like, Man, I really wish the audience 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:09.640 had seen that. 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.440 Give us something good. I know you got it in you. 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:19.000 Oh man, Shoot, that is a great question. I want 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:20.680 to have a great answer for you. Guys, I tell 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:22.640 you so so far. There's there's a few things just 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.840 personally I'm glad that they didn't use because you're so 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.560 you're over analyzing, you know, your own actions in the game. 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.440 And even when I first was speared, uh for the 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:37.280 mission and episode is. I think it's episode five where 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.000 they put a spear and that's the first episode four 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:40.719 that I'm gonna be up for murder for the first time, 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.520 and I think I was. I was walking back and 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.880 I was just like, oh man, I said to myself, 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.759 or I said out loud to the people I was with. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.080 I was like, you know, how could they spear me? 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.879 Like don't they know how important I am to the missions? 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.799 And after that, I was like, why did you say that? 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.040 As if you're so important to the and everyone's like, no, 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.560 don't touch Stephen, like it's like, leave him be So. 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.040 I spared you? I forget who was it? 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.480 Wait, what's that? Oh spared you? Leave terror? 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:12.760 Oh okay, okay? 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:14.760 And then and it's so and then she said, which 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.160 God blessed terror. She said that the sweetest things and 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:19.360 in her interview about you know, having to spare me 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.920 and didn't want to and all that, that was really nice. 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.880 So I was dreading that moment. I was like that 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.160 spearing they're going to show me like pouting, like hey, 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.360 why how dare they spare me? Uh? So, yeah, that 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.279 was that was funny. I'm glad they didn't show that. 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:34.080 Uh you left out. 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:38.360 Yeah, but then you just told us you got free, 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:38.759 and then. 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.600 You tell the biggest fear. 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.080 That's like I think Michael's biggest fear was that round 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.799 table fight when he said that, and they showed it. 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:51.200 Yes, yeah, yeah, No. I again, they could have done 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.839 They could have shown a lot from that that roundtable wing. 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.800 I'm telling you it was probably two hours stop really 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.120 back and forth for a very long Michael had it 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.359 out with Colton, he had it out with Jam Jam, 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.319 he had it I mean, him and Johnny went back 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.839 and forth, and him and Kristen went back and forth 0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:12.680 at some point, and and yeah, it went on and 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.759 on and on, and then we also had other, you know, 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.960 other suspects to kind of get through. So there's a 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.319 lot of back and forth that went. So you could 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.839 you could play you know, a ten minute scene at 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.640 least from just you know, Michael and Colton, Michael and 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:32.480 Jam Jam from that roundtable. But what else can I 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.960 trying to tell you here? It's it's really that. It's 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.880 it's moments at the roundtable of people being called out there. Okay, 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:44.640 there is I'll tell you this. There was a moment 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.440 I think coming into that roundtable where there was so 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:53.759 much tension that as soon as Alan gives his you know, 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:59.879 plays the floor, we're all coming back, right, And then 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.719 Michael speaks up right away, of course, and we all 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.960 just bust out laughing for some of us, not everyone, 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:07.760 but it was a lot of people were just waiting 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.640 for him to just you know, you knew it was 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:10.040 gonna be. 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:11.799 Yeah. 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.800 Yeah. So when he first is like, well I should 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:16.680 say something, and then everyone you know, busts out out. 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.319 So we had to kind of contain that. And and 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:23.200 of course, you know, they they do not show that part, 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.279 but there was a moment there. It was so it 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:26.800 was so tense that there was a little bit of 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:28.880 a relief for a second, so that that was funny. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:30.000 But that's a. 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.320 Tense moment though. Walking into that roundtables rough. 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.480 Yeah, it went right back to being tense very very fast. 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.520 So can you give us a ts for what's to come? 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.719 I'll say this, The Traders have had their way with 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:51.000 the Faithfuls so far, right, Yeah, I mean they are 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:56.439 kicking ass in this game, but you know they can't 0:46:56.480 --> 0:47:00.000 kick ass forever, so the Faithfuls are coming for him. 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:01.919 I love that is exciting. 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.000 If you were asked to come back on the show 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.200 for an all star season. Would you do it? 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.520 Yeah? I think you know, the game was so much fun. 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.759 I had an absolute blast and you guys know this, 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:21.000 Uh it's it's it's so interesting to play it just 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.520 once and then you're like, you know what, I wonder 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:25.880 it'd be fun to go back and see if we 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.840 ran it back. How would I do? You know, what 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:30.359 would I be able to make it as far as 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:30.600 I did? 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.640 Or would you do something different? What would you do different? 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.759 Or exactly? And there would I think that there is 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:38.640 a bit of like, oh okay, I think you know, 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:43.799 maybe early on, here's what I've learned, Like the way 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.560 that people speak up. These personalities are great in some 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.959 of these interviews. I mean, whether you know it's it's Maura, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.440 who didn't speak up a lot around the castle, but 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.000 when she spoke up, she's got these great one liners, 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.640 these tidbits. It's like it's she's really funny, and she's 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.919 also like commands kind of a you know, command the room. 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.239 When she speaks up. It's not just the accent, but 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:05.880 it's it's the eyes and the fact that she's been 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:11.399 beamed down from another galaxy. But you know. I think 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.640 that too. For me, I want to go back because 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.440 I was also sick. I was terribly sick. 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.480 The first Yeah, what was the matter? I heard that? 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.560 I felt I not like Johnny. His was much more graceful. 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.160 I jumped in on purpose at some point to help 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:28.400 our boat in that first mission. I got super sick. 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.440 I got Mark sick at one point, I got some 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.000 of the crew sick, and and then I'm just, of 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:35.600 course in my head about I'm going to get voted 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.719 out because I'm the sick guy. But I'd be in 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.919 some of those interviews and you know, trying to speak 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.759 about the missions in the games just it's not and 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.080 just gross, and I'm just terribly frustrated. I just want 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.440 to go home at that point. So I felt like 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.000 it would be I want to have one more fun 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:52.840 in those interviews. I can go back and play the 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:54.799 game again. That's something that that I would want to do. 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.360 Well. We want to be respectful of your time. But 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.400 before we let you go, what do you want to promote? 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.759 Where can people follow you? Where can people find out 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:03.640 more about what's going on? 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:08.239 Oh? I appreciate that. Yeah, I got an independent show 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.960 called Everyone is Doing Great. We released the first season 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.080 on Hulu and we just shot a second season and 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.319 that's gonna come out later this year, so look out 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.719 for that. And also we did a little special two 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.120 hour special with Roku. It's gonna be on the Roku channel. 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.040 Laguna Beach Reunion. It's the first time in twenty years 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.600 we got the whole cast together in the same spot 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:31.600 and that was a lot of fun. 0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:32.360 Awesome. 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.520 I'm looking forward to it, and I'm going to check 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.120 your show out too. Yeah, we're friends now, so I have. 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.360 To do that. I like it. 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.360 Steven, Thank you so much for coming on by our 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:45.560 So you're awesome man. It's very fun to see you 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:50.040 on our TV screens, you know, every week on Peacock 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:53.360 And you know what, I'm rooting for you, buddy. I 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.000 hope you I hope you win this entire. 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.320 I appreciate you, guys. It's been a pleasure meeting you, 0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:59.680 and thanks for having me on. 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:01.799 All right, take care, have a good day. 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:02.920 Bye. 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.520 Oh he is very handsome. 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:13.160 He's a great guy. Yeah, gentleman. Nice. I hope he wins. 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:17.919 I do too, like I genuinely liked that guy, and yeah, 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:19.520 I probably would have thought he was a trader though, 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.200 I'd be like, you're an actor and a reality star. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.440 You're like the did you have to be a trader 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:24.799 to be you know? 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.959 Anyways, this was a lot of fun. I love these. 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:32.000 I almost so good at him these interviews more than 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.960 our recaps because you really get to like dig in 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.400 and be like, wait, what did you think? And what 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.000 did we miss? All that stuff? That was a lot 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:38.759 of so good. 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:42.440 No, this is something, this is your niche. I mean, honestly, 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.480 you're really good. I want to see you have your 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:45.439 own show doing this. 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:48.319 I got plenty of shows good time. 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:50.520 I know, I know you have too many, but I 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.239 want to just see you. I would like to see 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.960 you doing this, but in a huge yeah way. 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:59.279 Well I appreciate that. I'm very excited. Programming note for 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.440 all of you traders and faithfuls out there, we are 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:04.560 going to have the one, the only, Michael Rappaport coming 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:09.440 on very well. I cannot wait to talk to him. 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.080 It's gonna be great. So one of you guys do 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.480 not want to miss and make sure you're checking wherever 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:17.920 you are following us on podcasts for that Michael Rappaport 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.839 episode to drop. We'll be back very very soon with 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:26.760 more behind the scenes interviews and recaps of Traders season four. 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:28.640 If you're not following us on social media, please do 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.160 at by order of the Faithful's Dolores, it is always 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.560 a lovely day when I get to see your beautiful face. 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:36.880 Thank you, lovely day to hang out with you, your 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:37.960 breath of fresh air. 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:43.400 See you, guys, Hi