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Speaker 1: Welcome in, all you Faithfuls and Traders for another episode

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Speaker 1: of By Order of the Faithfuls. Wells Adams alongside Dolores

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Speaker 1: Catanya today, and we're about to be joined by someone

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Speaker 1: who's been on TV for a very long time. Born

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Speaker 1: and raised in Orange County, California, Stephen Cleddy was just

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old when he was cast on Laguna Beach,

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Speaker 1: The Real Orange County back in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: Then in two thousand and seven, he did something that's

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Speaker 1: very very hard to do, go from reality TV descripted television.

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Speaker 1: He was on One Tree Hill on the CW for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of seasons, and of course now he is

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Speaker 1: starring in season four of The Traders this year, and

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Speaker 1: he is faithful. All right, Welcome to the show, Steven.

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Speaker 1: Right off the bat, we have to congratulate you on

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Speaker 1: you and your wife's first pregnancy. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you man. We're super thrilled.

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Speaker 3: That's so the genetics that child. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 3: see what this comes out like.

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Speaker 2: Too kind, too kind?

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Speaker 4: Was it a Trader's baby?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I think coming out of the castle,

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Speaker 2: you know, after being locked up for so long, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we were pretty hyped up. We were excited to see our.

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Speaker 4: See each other. Yeah, I bet so. You know, magic

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Speaker 4: happens after you get home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is a hard grow fonder, of course,

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Speaker 2: and it sure did there.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm glad to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what you're having yet?

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Speaker 2: I do. I do. We're not sharing it, but I

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Speaker 2: do know. And yeah, we're pretty excited.

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Speaker 4: Are you going to do a gender reveal.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to do a gender reveal. We're just

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Speaker 2: kind of we're keeping it close for now, and it's

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Speaker 2: always been, you know, we just want to make sure,

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Speaker 2: you know, Alex is doing well and the baby's doing well.

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Speaker 2: Of course, going to focus on the health and it's

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Speaker 2: our first go so make sure we're you know, hitting

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Speaker 2: the benchmarks that we need to and and being responsible

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Speaker 2: parents and getting ready for this and so, as you know,

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Speaker 2: we were happy to share the news and and get

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Speaker 2: it out there, but as far as having a big

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Speaker 2: party or gender review or anything like that, we're we're

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Speaker 2: a little more low key, so we're not gonna do

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Speaker 4: You know. The truth is people are doing less and

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Speaker 4: less of.

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Speaker 1: That, you know.

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Speaker 2: We we also had a very low key ceremony for

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Speaker 2: our marriage, and that was kind of the plan all along.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was the first instinct was like, let's

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Speaker 2: have you know, should we just go get hitched, like

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Speaker 2: all right, we've got to have some family there, and

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Speaker 2: it kind of grew into something bigger and then we

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Speaker 2: brought it back to what it originally was, was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, like we want to do, which is

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Speaker 2: just like is going to make this special for her

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Speaker 2: and I and I have to feel like we're running

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Speaker 2: everybody at the plant. We want to be able to

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Speaker 2: have our fun and so yeah, we really toned it

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Speaker 2: down and it was. It was. It was an amazing day.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was a beautiful day. We just had

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Speaker 2: our immediate family. We just said civil ceremony. We went

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Speaker 2: and got pizza afterwards, and it was perfect.

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Speaker 4: I love that. So no wedding at all, there was

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Speaker 4: no big Sarah like, no.

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Speaker 2: Big ceremony, no we when we we we jetted off

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was perfect. It all worked out.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, I wish I had done that.

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Speaker 3: We spent so much freaking money getting ideas. You know what, Well,

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Speaker 3: this is because I'm recently engaged, and thank you. So

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Speaker 3: you know, being in the public eye, as you know,

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Speaker 3: nothing's really private, and I'm more of a private person,

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Speaker 3: and I get silly, like wells could tell you, I

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Speaker 3: just gave me a little inspo. So thank you on that.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if if your kid grows up and wants

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Speaker 1: to be on TV, what will be your advice to them?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, great question. I would just want to make

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Speaker 2: sure that it was something that they really wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: like what's your five year plan, what's your ten year plan,

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Speaker 2: what's your plan B, what's your plan C? Because you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that, look, if you want to go out

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Speaker 2: that's your plan, that that's great, But you know, it's

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Speaker 2: I just kind of want to, like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be in entertainment and We'll see where it

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Speaker 2: is it's you know, the business doesn't have time for that,

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Speaker 2: and you got to be a hustler. You got to

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Speaker 2: and you know it'll spit you out when it wants to,

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Speaker 2: not when you choose to or how you choose to.

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Speaker 2: So I would just want to make sure that there's

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Speaker 2: like hey, if there's a one off where it's like

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Speaker 2: I really data, just like I'm gonna go be a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: but first I to go do traders. What can I

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Speaker 2: say there? You know it's like, well I get it,

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Speaker 2: So I get it. You're you're you're going for it.

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Speaker 4: This child's going to be so normal. I can't.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: When my son asked to become an actor. He came

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Speaker 3: what I said to him. However, a month later, we

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Speaker 2: Sure, so the old you know, filming a movie that

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Speaker 4: It was a m Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You live in a very unique world. Very few people

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Speaker 1: the unscripted stars, unscripted and scripted, do you like one

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Speaker 2: I liked the scripted, you know. I even going on

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Speaker 2: Traders was a big move for me. But I always

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Speaker 2: wanted to work in entertainment. I liked creative writing, I

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Speaker 2: wasn't gonna, you know, do musical theater during that time.

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Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is when MTV came around with

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Speaker 1: They do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I remember. I remind my buddy this all

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Speaker 2: I thought, honestly, it would be more on the sports side.

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Speaker 2: But I took some acting classes as well as well,

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Speaker 2: You know. Early on, I had a lot given to

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Speaker 2: is super special. I feel really grateful for that. And

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Speaker 2: Traders was the show I had to come back. And

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Speaker 2: do you know, there's been a lot of them that

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Speaker 3: Is there any other ones that you would do? Like

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Speaker 3: I was looking at Special Forces. I think you could

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Speaker 3: do it. You're a very fit and athletic and I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, but there are people that are fit in

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Speaker 4: They didn't not do well. And I mean.

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Speaker 3: There's just a few other shows. Is there any other

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Speaker 3: ones in your site?

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Speaker 2: You know, after after doing Traders, you would think that

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Speaker 2: Forces based on my just like mission aggressiveness, like okay,

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Speaker 2: get into this game. But yeah, you know I always

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Speaker 2: It really scared me away for for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And I probably you know, you psychologically could probably look

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Speaker 2: You know, you've got Lisa, You've got Candace. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the show. You know, if I was

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Speaker 1: Did you want to be a trader or did you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, I there was. It was tough because

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Speaker 2: And it's funny looking back, there was always a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this, what was your strategy

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, obviously, once you sign up to do

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Speaker 4: So and then I think you're too stop.

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Speaker 3: They wanted you there for a few reasons, I'd say,

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Speaker 2: But I also yeah, I also was not. I wanted

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Speaker 2: I was engaging in conversations with everybody. It's interesting, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the loudest voice in the room

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Speaker 3: Know what, was the best looking, more of the smartest,

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Speaker 4: He's smart.

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Speaker 3: He clocked a few of the traders right out of

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Speaker 3: And he played himself, which is fine to do. I mean,

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Speaker 4: It, I knew it. It was gonna hurt him. It

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Speaker 3: It's not, but that was good for you and it

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Speaker 4: We loved watching Michael unravel at the table.

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Speaker 2: Incredibly entertaining. And he's not at the table if he's

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: So I think he knew what he was doing. And look,

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Speaker 2: it's and I think he was he was happy to

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Speaker 3: He's unapologetic about who he is and we love him

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Speaker 2: No, you know, it took me a second to to

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00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: truly pick up because there was there's so much going

434
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: back and forth, right, and I remember when he when

435
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: he said that, it felt like a low blow, but

436
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: I knew he didn't just come out of nowhere was

437
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: saying it, right. He obviously wanted to call him out

438
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: for keeping a secret, so he's you know, I think

439
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 2: he's he was able to say whatever he felt like

440
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 2: he wanted to say in that moment. I think he

441
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: knew that he was maybe pushing a button a little

442
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 2: bit with him as they were getting pretty heated. But yeah, look,

443
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 2: I think it got very very emotional in there, and

444
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people were speaking back to Michael as

445
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: as he was just talking and talking and talking. And

446
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: that was the the tough thing about that round table.

447
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: I mean, he he we would try to you know,

448
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot of heat on rawn. You know, we're

449
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: obviously Tippany had already left, but we were trying to

450
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: work through different people's you know, facts and pieces of evidence,

451
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: and then Michael would just kind of take it and

452
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: be like, you know what. I know we're all talking

453
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: about this, but we should be looking at this guy.

454
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of.

455
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: Jam Jam and Michael. They had a lot of back

456
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 2: and forth as well. I feel like, look, Michael knows

457
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: what he's doing as your Sandy's a smart He's a

458
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: smart guy.

459
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 4: He's smart.

460
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

461
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: I kind of thought he was ready to get out

462
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: of the game, to be honest with you, because he

463
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: had such a he was being so loud and and

464
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: and and and taking over a lot of conversations and

465
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: being and being you know, Michael, even though when he

466
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 2: was talking about his wife was like, hey, just just

467
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: make sure you just try to stay quiet, you know this,

468
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: and he just he wasn't going to do that. He

469
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: was going to be true to himself and and I

470
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: think that's what he did. But I remember he talked about,

471
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, Game seven of the NBA Championship was about

472
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: to go about to happen right right around that day,

473
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: and he's like, he's like, see, we're gonna we gotta

474
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 2: watch the game. How are we gonna watch the game?

475
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: And I felt like at that roundtable, the way he

476
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: just started just unloading and and and was not holding

477
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: anything back and was happy to push buttons with everybody.

478
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: He was already pushing everyone's buttons. Now he was like,

479
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 2: all right, I don't feel like I really like, I'm

480
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: gonna just take it to the next step. And he

481
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: did that, and I was like, all right, it's almost

482
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: like he wants out of this game at this point.

483
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted to go watch Game seven.

484
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: So I don't think anyone even thought he was a trader.

485
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: They just wanted him out.

486
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I think that he was so

487
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: voisterous at a point where this he can't be a

488
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: trader because he would just be the worst trader. By

489
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: leaning so hard and being so loud, you're drawing so

490
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: much attention to yourself where you are in fact annoying people,

491
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: and people want you out for that reason alone. So yeah,

492
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people, they weren't necessarily thinking he was

493
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 2: a trader. Yeah.

494
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys have the faithfuls at least

495
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: have taken a little bit of criticism of knowing that

496
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: someone's really not a trader and still voting them out

497
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: just because they were unpopular or annoying. I mean, it

498
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: happened in our season, Sandoval was doing the exact same thing.

499
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: He was very he was very loud, he was he

500
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: was trying to get glorious. He was also trying to

501
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: get Krishelle out a lot, and he was just kind

502
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: of distracting everybody. And so obviously traders love that because

503
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: that's distracting everyone away from what everyone's doing. You're keeping

504
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: the eye, your eye off the ball. But the truth

505
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: of the matter is is that you guys all voted

506
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: him out knowing that you weren't a step closer to

507
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: getting a trader.

508
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Now frustrating part. I mean, I stuck with my vote

509
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: for Ron, you know, because we had the most evidence

510
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: on Ron, and and it's and it was going Ron's way.

511
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: It was just like the first round table. We should

512
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: have had a trader on the first round table. I

513
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys know this, but we were

514
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: all the that the votes were swinging for Donna as

515
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: you saw in the second round table and went heavily

516
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: against her. Yeah, it should have gone that way the

517
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: first round table. But here comes Ron out of who

518
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: was pretty quiet, all of a sudden, he he he

519
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: speaks up, and he's he's got some hard facts and

520
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: to his credit, they're legit. I mean obviously, as we said, yeah,

521
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: seeing that play out and seeing what he saw, I

522
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: feel really bad for Ron, and I mean, he saw

523
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: evidence and he went with it. So it was tough

524
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: that he brought it up there at the roundtable and

525
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: not beforehand so we could talk about it because he

526
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: knew everyone was going and he's he was spending some

527
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: time against is kind of what hurt Donna. She started

528
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: to get a little more quiet in a corner a

529
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: bit and not overly engaging even if somebody engages you,

530
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: because it's one thing obviously to be sitting quiet in

531
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: a corner, but when you know, you start engaging a conversation.

532
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: And so Ron and her we're kind of hanging out.

533
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: So the fact that we all were on Donna and

534
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: then Ron was with her, it it put on Ron's back.

535
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I think going into that one, we

536
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: we knew we had to kind of clear the table

537
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: of Ron and Michael was not going to let that happens.

538
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: Camera right back to Michael and be like, hey, guys,

539
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: I'm here, I may or may not want to go

540
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: watch Game seven, So yeah, let's go down.

541
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, Ron. He I feel like,

542
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: changed a lot of minds in this most recent round table,

543
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: and he employed a really good tactic of being like,

544
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to go around and tell everyone what I

545
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: like about them, because this is gonna be the last

546
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: time I speak to them. And then all of a sudden,

547
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: everyone changed and was like, I don't think I don't

548
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: think he is a trader. In that moment, were you

549
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: still on Ron or were you believing that he was

550
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: actually faithful.

551
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough. It was one of those moments where,

552
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: if you know, having swung towards Portia in that first

553
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: round table really affected my strategy rest of the game

554
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: because and then also kind of towards Tiffany because I

555
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: was going to go for Ron, but then stuff with

556
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: Tiffany came up. I had a little something that happened

557
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: with her where I was like, okay, you know what,

558
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: she's giving me a little bit suspicion. So I moved

559
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: off of Ron and and now it's like, okay, poor show.

560
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: That was a fail, Tiffany fail. I was like, look,

561
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: just stick to your guns. Don't let other people sway you.

562
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: Stick with the evidence in your mind that you feel

563
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: like is the strongest and go from there. So I did,

564
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: and and and with Ron, there is that time after

565
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: you've written their name down and as you know, you know,

566
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: as they're going around and there they're speaking to everybody,

567
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: or even after you you give your explanation of why

568
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: you voted for them, that they look you in the

569
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: eye and they say something. And I felt like that's

570
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: when I would get a real honest read, so I did.

571
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: Before he got up there, I was like, oh no,

572
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: I think I think Ron very well. Is it faithful?

573
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: And there was suspicion before, but again at that point

574
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: he had the most heat and we had to clear

575
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: it to move on to the next thing because this

576
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 2: we are doing so many favors for the traders far

577
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: in this game, they are kicking our ass right. There

578
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: were just the in fighting and and and I mean,

579
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's it's bad. So I was like, look,

580
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go. I'm going to clear this with Ron.

581
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: And and then as we as it was great his

582
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: exit going around and saying a little bit about everybody.

583
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: And then also I don't know if they the show

584
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: because I actually haven't seen it yet, but when he

585
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: when he stands up there and just his speech there

586
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 2: was was amazing too. He thanked everybody and the crew

587
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: in the background and talked about the experience. He's he's

588
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: a sweetheart. Ron was was awesome and it was it

589
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: was tough to see him go, but he had to.

590
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you guys keep talking in that roundtable of like, well,

591
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: we have to vote out Ron, so we can at

592
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: least close this chapter and get clarity. What was the

593
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: clarity that you were going to find out if Ron

594
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: ended up being faithful?

595
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 4: That's a good question.

596
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the evidence Okay, just those that

597
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: were really pressing on Ron, those that were really gunning

598
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: for him, we could probably raise some suspicion on them

599
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: now that that voting record, And then you can also

600
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: look at the people that were not going to vote

601
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: for Ron, and we're saying, you, look, I don't I

602
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: know he's got all the there. There's there's a long

603
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: list of things that have happened at this point, but like,

604
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: I really do believe that he's a faithful So I

605
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 2: think those folks we can also deduce are probably faithful

606
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: because if you're a trader, you're most likely happy to

607
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: see Ron go and continue to to keep you know,

608
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: having to their faithful, you know, be asked, So, yeah,

609
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: I think it's it's that voting record ultimately, and that

610
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: does become a you know a big part of the show,

611
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: as you guys know.

612
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Oh for for sure.

613
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: But you know it does weigh heavy on you when

614
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: you vote out of faithful, right as you're saying, like

615
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: with Porsche and Tiffany, it doesn't.

616
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: You don't only feel Michael though.

617
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: No, not Michael, I Saiffany.

618
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: But but you don't only feel bad. Especially Tiffany was heartbreaking.

619
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: But but then you kind of kind of like lose

620
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: a little confidence in yourself and what the other people

621
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: that actually really gunned for them. So is there any

622
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: point where like your emotions took over because mine did

623
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: many times in the game that where you said, like,

624
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm done, I just want to go home. I don't

625
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to hurt another person. I don't want

626
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 3: to vote out another person. This is killing me.

627
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: You know. The Tiffany vote was emotional for me, and

628
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: I was surprised how quickly the game got emotional. Part

629
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: of that was just the way I had conversations with

630
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: her privately, also the way she was speaking at the

631
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: roundtable obviously very eloquent and her her personal story. You

632
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: know that that just pulls at the hard strings. And

633
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: so that was that was tough. I think what happens

634
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: is there's just kind of a competitive thing with me.

635
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: It was like, all right, we need to lock in,

636
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: like all right, what happened here? Like what was wrong?

637
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: Where did we go wrong with tiffany? How can we

638
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: not do that the next time? Who had some some

639
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: good bits about maybe it's not her and why and

640
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: maybe we can lean on them a little bit and

641
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: see what they're thinking, because maybe they're seeing something that

642
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: we aren't as far as their instincts.

643
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: The Candice really, although she was a trader, really went

644
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: for her like tried to save her, right.

645
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that would throw you off of

646
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. And that's the crazy part it is

647
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: with this game. It is absolute madness. It is such

648
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: a rollercoaster and as soon as you think you have

649
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: a thread of a solid strategy or play and maybe

650
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: you're thinking a couple of steps ahead, that could unravel

651
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: so fast and.

652
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: It's a monkey wrench.

653
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: It really is. And so you have to stay on

654
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: your toes constantly, constantly and I learned that, you know,

655
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: early on in the game through these roundtables, just like okay,

656
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: I here's my plan, and then just all there's just

657
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: there's so many different curve balls you have to be

658
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: ready to in real time to react to them. And yeah,

659
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: that's a very it's a very fascinating part of the game.

660
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: There's no single way of like, Okay, this is the

661
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: strategy that will win you the game, right, it doesn't

662
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: matter what you do, you have to depending on the

663
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: personalities are there, depending on what happens day of day,

664
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: depending on what you say and who you say it to.

665
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: At certain times. You know, you could play the game,

666
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred times and you have you know,

667
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: a hundred different outcomes.

668
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: There's really no strategy to be high.

669
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: Like, so if somebody's coming into the game the next

670
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: time it airs, somebody's gonna call you and they're gonna say,

671
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: what's your best advice for me?

672
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: No one called me.

673
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm here, you're telling me that Michael called you. I'm like,

674
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: I was so scared by NBC. Not then they didn't

675
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: scare me per se, but I just was like, I

676
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna just not talk to anybody, I'm

677
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: gonna just step into this. And so I didn't speak

678
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: to anybody going into the game that I was reading

679
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: all of what you guys all people, and I wish

680
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: I had more of those contacts. But now, yeah, I

681
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: recommend anybody who was going to do the show feel

682
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: free to reach out. I will happily engage it. And

683
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: don't be too scared of the powers that be. As

684
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: far as connect, you're not going to tell on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

685
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: But look, I think that you have to be able

686
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: to early on in the game sit back a little

687
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: bit and observe and watch exactly who's acting which way,

688
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: who's being a loud voice in the room, who is

689
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: rallying the troops and why. I think if you can

690
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: observe that and then choose very wisely when you want

691
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: to speak up, and do speak up. You know you

692
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: don't want to be Don't be the person that sits

693
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: back and doesn't do anything and is super quiet the

694
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: whole time. You need to. You need to speak up.

695
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: Make sure you speak up at the round tables. Make

696
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: sure you're showing the faithfuls that you are trying to

697
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: figure out who the traders are.

698
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk to you about

699
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Colton because there does seem to be a little bit

700
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: of a double standard between him and Ron. They both

701
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing, but everyone went after Ron

702
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: instead of going after Colton, because you know, yeah, Colton

703
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: was wrong about Tiffany, very very boisterous about it. He

704
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: was wrong about Michael Rappaport as well. But somehow all

705
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: of the kind of like the shame and blame went

706
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: on to Ron. But in this most recent roundtable, all

707
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it turns and you have Ron up,

708
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: You've got Colton up, and then you've got Lisa, who

709
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: was not on anyone's radar except for Colton, and then

710
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: he was able to skew that entire room to get

711
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: very very close to getting Lisa out, so much so

712
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: that a fellow trader in Rob votes for Lisa in

713
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: that moment. Are you thinking that Colton could be a

714
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: trader or that Lisa could be a trader or is

715
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: it just like we got to know about Rone.

716
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: I felt pretty confident that Colton was a faithful I

717
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: think that you can look at the voting record and

718
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: be suspicious, but it did seem like he was very

719
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: earnest in how he wanted to play the game. He

720
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: wanted to figure out who the traders were as soon

721
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: as I mean, he was the first one. As soon

722
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 2: as we got somebody. It was like, all right, who's

723
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: next right away? And his instincts were lining up with

724
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: a lot of hours right in mind personally, you know,

725
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: when he spoke up about Lisa, it was something I

726
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: was like, yep, there was something that I've had there.

727
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: And so I think when you've got even though he's

728
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: swinging and missing, just like Ron did, there's there's big

729
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: swings and it's a big miss the end of the day.

730
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: At least Colton is he's kind of got his track

731
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: record of really trying, you know, earnestly to actually figure

732
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: it out. And Ron kind of came out of left

733
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: field and just started presenting this evidence at the roundtable.

734
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, somebody else was clearly in the hot seat,

735
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: and so it was like, all right, is he distracting us?

736
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: So I think that there's the difference there. It's kind

737
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: of what I talked about earlier about a little bit

738
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: of the strategy. It's like, you don't want to sit

739
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: back too much, right everyone says he has to sit

740
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: back and and just goes through the first few episodes,

741
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: don't speak up because you never know what can happen.

742
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: But you do want to speak up a little bit.

743
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: You want to you want to show that you're trying

744
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: to figure out who the Traders are and you're presenting

745
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: some evidence that you have. So yeah, I think at

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: that point I wasn't on the Colton. I was on

747
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: to Lisa, so I lined with him there, but I

748
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: still again was like, all right, I got to stick

749
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: to my guns here. Everything that's happened up to this point,

750
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: I need to stick with my vote until I get

751
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: more evidence, and right now we're not ready to go

752
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: full on Lisa.

753
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: Did you ever happen to notice Trader on Trader in

754
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: my season? At watching my season? Did you see how

755
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: they wanted to kill each other? The Traders gave themselves

756
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: away every time they got in a fight because they

757
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: it would be so between the two of them going

758
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: after each other, And.

759
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: There's always that The only way to really know.

760
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: If somebody's one hundred percent of Trader is if you're

761
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: a Trader.

762
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I think, yeah, it's interesting, you know this

763
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: point through five episodes, or six episodes in the game.

764
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: Maybe we didn't see what I'm saying up till now,

765
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: have you seen have you ever looked at two people

766
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: and go.

767
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: Mmm, there there were there were times there was a

768
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: bit of of actually, even Colton and Michael, you know,

769
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: there's your yeah, ruled up right, And and so I

770
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: would allow myself to go down the path and thinking,

771
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: all right, what's the scenario here where this is these

772
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: are two traders that are just fighting up in the

773
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: turret and now they're taking it in the round table

774
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: and saying, all right, who can we get acts first?

775
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: So you know, that is something that is definitely talked about.

776
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: I never really had, up to this point a strong

777
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: inclination that there was any trader on trader fighting happening.

778
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: No, I don't. I didn't see. Well, we haven't seen

779
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: it so far. I want to see the most wives fight, though.

780
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. They up to this point they they've had real,

781
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: real clean synergy I think between the traders and and I. Yeah,

782
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: they're they're kicking ass up there.

783
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: They really are.

784
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: They're doing a great job, and they're agreeing on things,

785
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: and I kind of like it. I think that's the

786
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: job the traders are supposed to do if they want

787
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: to win.

788
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: Do you guys like, was there somebody else that you

789
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: wish was up in the turret? Or do you like

790
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: the Traders that they chose?

791
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: I love the Traders. Well, of course I'm biased, but

792
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: I love the Traders that they chose.

793
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, every season, you know, like for for my season,

794
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: my big complaint was I thought that the Traders are

795
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: being stupid, and that's like what ended up getting me

796
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: kicked out. I was like, that was dumb. We're going

797
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of Derinda. And then this this season,

798
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, the Traders are really really smart and

799
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: doing a much better job than I think in the

800
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: in the season past. But listen, you know the thread

801
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: on the sweater is starting to unravel with Rob voting

802
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: for Lisa and seeing the writing on the wall. You

803
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen the episode ode, so I don't even know

804
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: if you know that this happened. But Colton took Lisa

805
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: aside and effectively tried to create an alliance, saying, I

806
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: know you're Creator. If you are, I won't say your

807
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: name if you protect me and we go all the way.

808
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: Did you know that that had happened?

809
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 2: Yes, he did. He did tell a couple of us

810
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: that that happened.

811
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: So I don't think that's a good idea.

812
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: No, that's again I think, uh, Colt's playing a dangerous game.

813
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: He knew he was playing a dangerous game. But and

814
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: I was sitting there going like, you know what, better

815
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: him than me again, because you know, we want to

816
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: make it to the end and give Colton a lot

817
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: of credit. He was I think Candace dubbed him varsity

818
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: early on. He was leading the charge. Uh, And to me,

819
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: I was like, man, it's it's going to get him

820
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: out of his game at some point. That's the way

821
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: I felt. But yeah, he uh, he did mention that.

822
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: He he told me and it was also it was

823
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: it was a part of what he put forth to

824
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: some of us. And as far as evidence of like

825
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: I called out Lisa, I just said it right to

826
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: her face. I said, just protect me in the turret

827
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: and he said that, you know just she had a

828
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: little bit of a chuckle. I guess you guys have

829
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: seen it. But that was a validating moment for him.

830
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: If there wasn't any you know, anything left to doubt

831
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: that she was a trader, that was a big moment

832
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: for him. That sealed it.

833
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: It was a bold move, as you know, like a

834
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: guy who's worked on a reality TV show for a

835
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: very very long time. I understand the edit and the cut.

836
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: My question to you is, is there someone that's not

837
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: getting airtime thus far that you thought would be getting

838
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: more airtime? Like, I'm surprised that, like Johnny's not on

839
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: my screen more because I feel like that guy is

840
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: so fun to watch on TV. But for someone that

841
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: was there, were you, Like, I'm surprised that they're not

842
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: a bigger presence in the show thus far.

843
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny's a great one. Johnny's hilarious. I love Johnny.

844
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: He has I mean, he's enjoyed to be around. He's

845
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: got some great some funny lines, and and just brought

846
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: a lot every single day. Yeah, surprised to see not

847
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: as much Johnny. There's also there was a lot of

848
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: jam Jam. I know he's gotten some good camera time,

849
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of Michael and jam Jam,

850
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: and they leaned more on the Michael and Colton, but

851
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: there was Yeah, there was a heavy back and forth

852
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: between jam Jam and Michael. So I was surprised to

853
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: not see all of that in there. But yeah, you know,

854
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: I think at this point you've got some there's some

855
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: great personalities in the turn where you know it's funny.

856
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean Rob early on, you know, I went into

857
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: the game, I met Ryana. Hey, what's what's up? My

858
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: name Steve, and he's like, hey, I'm Rob. I'm like, cool, man,

859
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: where are you from? He's like Alabama. I'm like okay.

860
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: And then everyone the first he was one of the

861
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: first that everyone was like, hey, the guy, the snake dude,

862
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: like he's he's probably a trader because we had nothing

863
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: to go off of, right, and you're just looking to

864
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: point a finger at somebody. So everyone was pointing at

865
00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: Rob from that before the traders were even picked. Right

866
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: after the secret Trader was picked, I was like, man,

867
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: what's up with his energy? And so it's it's interesting

868
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: to see now watching the show and seeing him in

869
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: the turret and seeing how he's talking in his interviews

870
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: as well. Right, I mean, he's just you know, he's

871
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: he's a smart dude. So I I you see the

872
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: personalities that they got up there. You're seeing a lot

873
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: of the traders, you know, more than that, I guess,

874
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, look at list is a big personality. Candae

875
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: is a big personality, and and Rob in his own

876
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: right is a great personality. His whole strategy and the

877
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: way he's playing the game is is fun to watch

878
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: right now. So yeah, but yeah, at the end of

879
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: the day, I think, to answer your question, Johnny's a

880
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 2: great one. I would have liked to see Monette stick around.

881
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Monete was a great personality, and I thought he was

882
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: gonna go really far, and so it just sucks again.

883
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: He just he's not speaking up to a lot of people,

884
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: but he spoke up to the wrong person.

885
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: And yeah for that, Ah, that's that sucks. I would

886
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 4: have liked teen him more too.

887
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: But was it your theory, Wells that you said that

888
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: they show or maybe it was Paul, it was me, Oh,

889
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: was you okay? That they show a lot of the

890
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: people that are going to last longer? They don't show

891
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: a lot of the people that last in the beginning.

892
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they give all the screen time to the people.

893
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: That are that are being or murdered.

894
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so it's a little and I could

895
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: be totally wrong, but it's a little bit of a tell.

896
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: Like the Johnny one, Mike, my theory is is that

897
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: he goes a very far way because he's way too

898
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: big of a personality to have not been on my

899
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: screen enough, you know. But like Michael Rappaport was a firecracker.

900
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: He burned bright and fast and it was out, you know. Like,

901
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: so I look at the TV show that way, not

902
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: to get like two insider Baseballly, but you know what,

903
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: but to get insider Baseballly. There's a lot of stuff

904
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: that gets left on the cutting moon floor. It's always

905
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: my favorite stuff on Paradise. I'm always like, I'm so

906
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: bummed that didn't make it because it was so funny

907
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: or is so dramatic or whatever. On Yeah, was there

908
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: anything that happened on Traders that didn't make the cut

909
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: that you were like, Man, I really wish the audience

910
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: had seen that.

911
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: Give us something good. I know you got it in you.

912
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, Shoot, that is a great question. I want

913
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: to have a great answer for you. Guys, I tell

914
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: you so so far. There's there's a few things just

915
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: personally I'm glad that they didn't use because you're so

916
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: you're over analyzing, you know, your own actions in the game.

917
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: And even when I first was speared, uh for the

918
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: mission and episode is. I think it's episode five where

919
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: they put a spear and that's the first episode four

920
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna be up for murder for the first time,

921
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: and I think I was. I was walking back and

922
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh man, I said to myself,

923
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: or I said out loud to the people I was with.

924
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, how could they spear me?

925
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: Like don't they know how important I am to the missions?

926
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: And after that, I was like, why did you say that?

927
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: As if you're so important to the and everyone's like, no,

928
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: don't touch Stephen, like it's like, leave him be So.

929
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: I spared you? I forget who was it?

930
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Wait, what's that? Oh spared you? Leave terror?

931
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay?

932
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: And then and it's so and then she said, which

933
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: God blessed terror. She said that the sweetest things and

934
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: in her interview about you know, having to spare me

935
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: and didn't want to and all that, that was really nice.

936
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: So I was dreading that moment. I was like that

937
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: spearing they're going to show me like pouting, like hey,

938
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: why how dare they spare me? Uh? So, yeah, that

939
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: was that was funny. I'm glad they didn't show that.

940
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: Uh you left out.

941
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you just told us you got free,

942
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: and then.

943
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: You tell the biggest fear.

944
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: That's like I think Michael's biggest fear was that round

945
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: table fight when he said that, and they showed it.

946
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, No. I again, they could have done

947
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: They could have shown a lot from that that roundtable wing.

948
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it was probably two hours stop really

949
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: back and forth for a very long Michael had it

950
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: out with Colton, he had it out with Jam Jam,

951
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: he had it I mean, him and Johnny went back

952
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: and forth, and him and Kristen went back and forth

953
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: at some point, and and yeah, it went on and

954
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: on and on, and then we also had other, you know,

955
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: other suspects to kind of get through. So there's a

956
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: lot of back and forth that went. So you could

957
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: you could play you know, a ten minute scene at

958
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: least from just you know, Michael and Colton, Michael and

959
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: Jam Jam from that roundtable. But what else can I

960
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: trying to tell you here? It's it's really that. It's

961
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: it's moments at the roundtable of people being called out there. Okay,

962
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: there is I'll tell you this. There was a moment

963
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: I think coming into that roundtable where there was so

964
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: much tension that as soon as Alan gives his you know,

965
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: plays the floor, we're all coming back, right, And then

966
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: Michael speaks up right away, of course, and we all

967
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: just bust out laughing for some of us, not everyone,

968
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: but it was a lot of people were just waiting

969
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: for him to just you know, you knew it was

970
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna be.

971
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when he first is like, well I should

973
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: say something, and then everyone you know, busts out out.

974
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: So we had to kind of contain that. And and

975
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: of course, you know, they they do not show that part,

976
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: but there was a moment there. It was so it

977
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: was so tense that there was a little bit of

978
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: a relief for a second, so that that was funny.

979
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: But that's a.

980
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: Tense moment though. Walking into that roundtables rough.

981
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went right back to being tense very very fast.

982
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: So can you give us a ts for what's to come?

983
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: I'll say this, The Traders have had their way with

984
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: the Faithfuls so far, right, Yeah, I mean they are

985
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: kicking ass in this game, but you know they can't

986
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: kick ass forever, so the Faithfuls are coming for him.

987
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 4: I love that is exciting.

988
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: If you were asked to come back on the show

989
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: for an all star season. Would you do it?

990
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know, the game was so much fun.

991
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: I had an absolute blast and you guys know this,

992
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: Uh it's it's it's so interesting to play it just

993
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: once and then you're like, you know what, I wonder

994
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: it'd be fun to go back and see if we

995
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: ran it back. How would I do? You know, what

996
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: would I be able to make it as far as

997
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: I did?

998
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: Or would you do something different? What would you do different?

999
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: Or exactly? And there would I think that there is

1000
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: a bit of like, oh okay, I think you know,

1001
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: maybe early on, here's what I've learned, Like the way

1002
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: that people speak up. These personalities are great in some

1003
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 2: of these interviews. I mean, whether you know it's it's Maura,

1004
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: who didn't speak up a lot around the castle, but

1005
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: when she spoke up, she's got these great one liners,

1006
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: these tidbits. It's like it's she's really funny, and she's

1007
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: also like commands kind of a you know, command the room.

1008
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: When she speaks up. It's not just the accent, but

1009
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: it's it's the eyes and the fact that she's been

1010
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: beamed down from another galaxy. But you know. I think

1011
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: that too. For me, I want to go back because

1012
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: I was also sick. I was terribly sick.

1013
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: The first Yeah, what was the matter? I heard that?

1014
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: I felt I not like Johnny. His was much more graceful.

1015
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: I jumped in on purpose at some point to help

1016
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: our boat in that first mission. I got super sick.

1017
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: I got Mark sick at one point, I got some

1018
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: of the crew sick, and and then I'm just, of

1019
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: course in my head about I'm going to get voted

1020
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: out because I'm the sick guy. But I'd be in

1021
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 2: some of those interviews and you know, trying to speak

1022
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: about the missions in the games just it's not and

1023
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: just gross, and I'm just terribly frustrated. I just want

1024
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: to go home at that point. So I felt like

1025
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: it would be I want to have one more fun

1026
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: in those interviews. I can go back and play the

1027
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: game again. That's something that that I would want to do.

1028
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Well. We want to be respectful of your time. But

1029
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: before we let you go, what do you want to promote?

1030
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? Where can people find out

1031
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: more about what's going on?

1032
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: Oh? I appreciate that. Yeah, I got an independent show

1033
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: called Everyone is Doing Great. We released the first season

1034
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: on Hulu and we just shot a second season and

1035
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: that's gonna come out later this year, so look out

1036
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: for that. And also we did a little special two

1037
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: hour special with Roku. It's gonna be on the Roku channel.

1038
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: Laguna Beach Reunion. It's the first time in twenty years

1039
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: we got the whole cast together in the same spot

1040
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: and that was a lot of fun.

1041
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1042
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it, and I'm going to check

1043
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: your show out too. Yeah, we're friends now, so I have.

1044
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: To do that. I like it.

1045
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: Steven, Thank you so much for coming on by our

1046
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: So you're awesome man. It's very fun to see you

1047
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: on our TV screens, you know, every week on Peacock

1048
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm rooting for you, buddy. I

1049
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: hope you I hope you win this entire.

1050
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys. It's been a pleasure meeting you,

1051
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: and thanks for having me on.

1052
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: All right, take care, have a good day.

1053
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: Bye.

1054
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh he is very handsome.

1055
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: He's a great guy. Yeah, gentleman. Nice. I hope he wins.

1056
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: I do too, like I genuinely liked that guy, and yeah,

1057
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I probably would have thought he was a trader though,

1058
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you're an actor and a reality star.

1059
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: You're like the did you have to be a trader

1060
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: to be you know?

1061
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: Anyways, this was a lot of fun. I love these.

1062
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I almost so good at him these interviews more than

1063
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: our recaps because you really get to like dig in

1064
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: and be like, wait, what did you think? And what

1065
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: did we miss? All that stuff? That was a lot

1066
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: of so good.

1067
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: No, this is something, this is your niche. I mean, honestly,

1068
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: you're really good. I want to see you have your

1069
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 3: own show doing this.

1070
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: I got plenty of shows good time.

1071
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: I know, I know you have too many, but I

1072
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: want to just see you. I would like to see

1073
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: you doing this, but in a huge yeah way.

1074
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: Well I appreciate that. I'm very excited. Programming note for

1075
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: all of you traders and faithfuls out there, we are

1076
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: going to have the one, the only, Michael Rappaport coming

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Speaker 1: on very well. I cannot wait to talk to him.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. So one of you guys do

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Speaker 1: not want to miss and make sure you're checking wherever

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Speaker 1: you are following us on podcasts for that Michael Rappaport

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Speaker 1: episode to drop. We'll be back very very soon with

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Speaker 1: more behind the scenes interviews and recaps of Traders season four.

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Speaker 1: If you're not following us on social media, please do

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Speaker 1: at by order of the Faithful's Dolores, it is always

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Speaker 1: a lovely day when I get to see your beautiful face.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, lovely day to hang out with you, your

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Speaker 4: breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 1: See you, guys, Hi