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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number two D

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Speaker 1: and forty one and today the show, Dan and I

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Speaker 1: are breaking down our upcoming hunting plans and strategies, and

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Speaker 1: then we're answering listener questions on topics such as October

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Speaker 1: calling strategies, how to hunt in tough wind areas, how

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Speaker 1: to break down and learn a new hunting property, and

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Speaker 1: much much more real quick before we get this one started,

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Speaker 1: want to thank our friends over at Lacrosse Footwear for

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Speaker 1: their support of this podcast. As I've mentioned this year,

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the Alpha Burly pro boots from Lacrosse. They've

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Speaker 1: been doing great. They are a E high rubber boot.

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Speaker 1: They keep me sent for you when I'm walking through

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Speaker 1: the woods because that that rubber holds onto as little

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Speaker 1: scent as possible. They keep me warm when it's cold. Today,

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Speaker 1: this big cold front pushing through, It's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: the forties this afternoon when I'm hunting. That's gonna be

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Speaker 1: probably the coldest temperatures. Um I've hunted yet this season,

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Speaker 1: and I know my feet are gonna be completely fine.

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Speaker 1: My boots have eight grams of fencilate insulation, which keeps

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Speaker 1: them playing warm. I've warm boots similar to this way

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Speaker 1: down into the zero below zero temperatures, and as long

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Speaker 1: be just fine. But at the same time, I've worn

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Speaker 1: these boots into the eighties and nineties, and as long

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Speaker 1: as you have a nice moisture wicking wolf sock on,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna keep you comfortable even in these warm days too.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very versatile boot. Can get you a

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Speaker 1: crossing rivers, it can get you climbing hills, and can

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Speaker 1: get you climb into a tree. Whatever you need to do.

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Speaker 1: I've found that this boot works pretty darn well for it.

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Speaker 1: footwhere dot com and see what they've got. The last

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Speaker 1: thing I'll mention is just that the new season of

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Speaker 1: The Meat Eater TV show is available on Netflix now.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it last week. I just want to mention

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Speaker 1: it one more time. It is a Netflix original. That's

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Speaker 1: the first time a hunting show has ever been featured

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Speaker 1: on Netflix in that way, which is a pretty big

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Speaker 1: deal in something I'm really excited about. So heading on

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Speaker 1: to Netflix check out the season. It is great. I've

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Speaker 1: not gotten to watch all of it yet. I've seen

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Speaker 1: my Caribou episodes and I watched a couple more last night.

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Speaker 1: I've been really impressed with that. I've been hearing nothing

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Speaker 1: but good things. So if you haven't checked it out yet,

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Speaker 1: I do think you will enjoy it. Netflix is where

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Speaker 1: you'll find it. It is the new season of the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater TV show. I hope you guys enjoy that,

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Speaker 1: and uh look for more to come. I do think

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Speaker 1: you'll be seeing some more whitetail stuff and yours truly

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Speaker 1: on some meat either episodes in the future, so keep

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Speaker 1: an eye out for that too. Now to the show,

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Speaker 1: all right, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx and today it's just a good

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Speaker 1: old fashioned Mark and Dan podcast, and uh, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: happy about that. What about you, Dan, I'm pretty happy

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Speaker 1: to mark any time that I can. Just here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say my my my wife had to go

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know complaining about it, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But she went out of town for the night. So

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Speaker 1: last night I was in charge of the kids all

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Speaker 1: by myself. Right, No podcasting stuff was taken care of.

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Speaker 1: Nothing other than kids was the main focus this morning.

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Speaker 1: You know, five thirty wake up call, kids are up,

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Speaker 1: listen into this podcast, kudos to you for doing what

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Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, man, kudos to you. Um, because I

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Speaker 1: got hundreds. Um, So there's a lot of good questions

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Speaker 1: that we can try tackling. Yeah, we're definitely not gonna

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Speaker 1: just before we started recording, you started saying like, oh,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. I don't know about you, but right

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Speaker 1: typically at least what what am I trying to say here?

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Speaker 1: so six. So Narlie, Charlie, Dork, You've got this new

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Speaker 1: They're not going to another location. And uh that I

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Speaker 1: and how much time do you have budget for your

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Speaker 1: RUT vacation this year? Two weeks? So you still do

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Speaker 1: have the two weeks. Nice. I wasn't sure if you

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Speaker 1: Elk trip. Now, that Elk trip was kind of like

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Speaker 1: my wife's vacation for the Elk trip. That was like

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Speaker 1: was a good win for the for the Holy Field property,

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't planning and hunting this spot for a

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Speaker 1: fronts pushing through twenty gree temperature drop. Um. Last week

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00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: when we were chatting, you mentioned the fact that, based

427
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: off of some historical pictures of Narlie Charlie, you think

428
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: you know how to backdoor. Hum, Um, are you going

429
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: after Nari Charlie tomorrow? No, not tomorrow. Um. I'm I

430
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: don't have the wind I need yet. It's kind of

431
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: a northwest wind. I need a straight north wind or

432
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: a northeast wind. And I think I'm gonna get that

433
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, which, let me check here, I think, yeah,

434
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I think I'm gonna get that on Saturday night.

435
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: So Saturday night is when I'm gonna make a move

436
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: in on him. Okay, And Sunday morning. Okay, So let's

437
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: let's talk Thursday first, and actually before that, I've been

438
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: getting messages and emails from people complaining about you for

439
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: not having sharing, for not having shared a picture of

440
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Narlie Charlie yet, I just dude, if it was my own,

441
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: if it was my own property, I would, but it's

442
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: not and very tight to the vest this year, Yeah,

443
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: you have to. Since I've since I've started this podcast

444
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: with you and started my own podcast, I feel like

445
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: there's been a lot more not only questions about where

446
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: do you hunt, but from from local guys, but just

447
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: more people making themselves visible on the farms that I hunt,

448
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: even though they technically don't have permission to be there.

449
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know even some of the surrounding properties get it.

450
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know. The thing about it is

451
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: there's a there's a chance this buck isn't even on

452
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: the property right now, So I don't know. Tough ship, guys,

453
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: I can just tell you all listening that it is

454
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: a very nice dear. I'll tell you that. Um. Okay,

455
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: So Thursday, then, if you're not going after Charlie, what

456
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: is the game plan? The game plan on Thursday is

457
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to go to the local farm, right I'm based or

458
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: it's a local farm that there's two sections of it,

459
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: and there's a really good pinch point on public property

460
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: that I access through my private farm, but my tree

461
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: stand is gonna be on public property. So it's just

462
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: like the public peace is this really long rectangle that

463
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: goes straight north off of a road. And if you

464
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: want to get in there and you're let's say, if

465
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: you have to park at the parking lot for the

466
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: public land peace, you gotta walk through the entire property

467
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: and you're blowing everything out. So two things are gonna

468
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, two things rings. And why I like to

469
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: hunt there is if hunters do come in, they bump

470
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: deer right to me. Or I'm on a an undisturbed

471
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: pinch point on a on a creek that butts up

472
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: against this huge field. So these deer are they're really

473
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: funneled down into this this crieck system that's in between

474
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: two pastures in this field, and it's just a lot

475
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: of historically a lot of sign a lot of good

476
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: deer movement. I'm gonna be up from that a little

477
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: bit tomorrow night. Uh. From on the down, it's gonna

478
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: be on the up wind side of a betting area,

479
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: but my wind is gonna be if I go too far,

480
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: my wind is gonna be blowing into the betting area.

481
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: But with this north wind, it's gonna be I'm gonna

482
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: be kind of on the corner of it and but

483
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: off just a ways so that when the deer start

484
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: coming out of this betting area to this um, to

485
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: this acorn flat which is kind of a staging area,

486
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: and then eventually to what I think is going to

487
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: be a food source right now, start starting here pretty

488
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: soon in Cornfield, that I'm gonna catch a whole bunch

489
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: of traffic coming out of these these two betting areas

490
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: that funnel right to me. And that's the goal is

491
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: just to watch. My goal is to hopefully watch it,

492
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: pray to deer walk by, and just or get my

493
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: eyes on something worth shooting. The last two years, man

494
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: on this farm really really good one sixty class ten

495
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: pointer and uh he he would definitely be a shooter

496
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: if I go in and uh have an opportunity at him. Yeah, man,

497
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Um. If a buck comes by, If a

498
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: buck that's like definitely a four year old or older

499
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: but not like a jaw dropper comes by you on

500
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: your very first hunt of the year, and if you

501
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: take that buck, right, you only get one archery tag, right,

502
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: So that would mean you don't get to take a

503
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: sta have a Charlie or Dork or any of these

504
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: deer on your main farm. Would you shoot that kind

505
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: of four year old tomorrow or no? And I mean

506
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: it's just obviously I have options, right, and I don't

507
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: want to make myself sound like this giant big buck killer,

508
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: but the with what I have on my main farm

509
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: and me not even hunting it yet, I will. You know,

510
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: last year I passed two deer in the low one

511
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: fifties high one forties arena. I would definitely pass that again,

512
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: even if it was a four or five year old buck.

513
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have to be pretty special for

514
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: me to skip out my entire rut vacation chasing some

515
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: world class deer on my other farm. Yeah. Well, you

516
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: know how it is in Iowa because I understand that

517
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: there's booners behind every tree, every and there's there's I'm

518
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: the only hunter in the entire county booners behind every tree.

519
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: So just just let them walk man, that's right, dude.

520
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: I got like five pictures of people I don't even

521
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: have a clue who they are on on my main farm,

522
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: just walking around out in the woods, just wearing nine

523
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: finger Chronicles T shirts. Yeah right, Oh man? What would

524
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: you do if you saw someone that was trespassing in

525
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: your property but they're wearing like a nine figure Nations shirt? Um?

526
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Would you be piste or would you be kind of irritated?

527
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: But then like, but they're a fan, I let him go.

528
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Oh no way, I'd sell them out. I throw them

529
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: right underneath the bus called called d n R. Well

530
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: you heard it here. Folks don't cross the line, right,

531
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh man? Okay, so Thursday plan going on this new property.

532
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: What about the weekend then? Okay, well the weekend is

533
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: down at the main farm basically setting up cameras or

534
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: checking cameras. I got four more cameras. I need to

535
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: hang up and get those in some historically good spots.

536
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hanging a camera when I go in

537
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: on my gnarly Charlie hunt, and I'm trying to think

538
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna hunt Saturday morning. Check all my trail

539
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: cameras are all but three of them because the other

540
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: three are you know, only only going to check those

541
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: when I go in and hunt. But we will see

542
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: what they say, and I'll make I'll make a move

543
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: off that. If I don't have anything you know, real,

544
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, substantial on those cameras, then I'll I'll

545
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: go in, I'll make a move on Gnarly Charlie, and

546
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that tree stand up right there, and

547
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be there for the season. Then, So

548
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: the Saturday morning hunt is not the Gnarly Charlie hunt. Um,

549
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: it might it might be, It might be. It just

550
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: depends on wind direction. Okay, well we'll tell me this.

551
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I want to understand what your first hunt on Charlie

552
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: will look like. So whether it's Saturday morning or Saturday

553
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: night or Sunday morning, which every day you get the

554
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: right wind, can you like talk through this scenario for me,

555
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned you think you've got this this good

556
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: idea of how to get tight to where you think

557
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: you might be betted. I'm curious how you're gonna get

558
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: in there, what the actual setup is going to be. So,

559
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be an it's gonna be awkward,

560
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. And the reason I say

561
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: that is because I have to you be creative in

562
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: my access route, because I have to. I have to

563
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: use some a crick to basically just make a huge

564
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: loop and come in from a completely different direction, lower terrain,

565
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: and then work my way up this. I guess a

566
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: small drainage and pop up on a ridge where my

567
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: wind is going to be blowing right back down into

568
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: the valley. But it's it's gonna be the trail that

569
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I think that these deer are using kind of comes

570
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: in from an angle. So it's gonna be one of

571
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: those quartering winds, uh, one of those quartering wind scenarios

572
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: where if I have a north wind and they're coming up,

573
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: if they go too far to the west, they'll bust me,

574
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: but the trail in the terrain kind of pinches him.

575
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: All two, stay to the east of where my stand

576
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be and and I should be able to

577
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: get a good view of the valley below. So that's

578
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: that's just kind of how it is. Okay, Now, are

579
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: you gonna like when if you go in there? Are

580
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you gonna hang a camera somewhere around there when you

581
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: go win? So that you can try to better understand

582
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: if he isn't there or anything that absolutely absolutely and

583
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: I'll let that soak. That might be one of the

584
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: cameras that I only check when I hunt that area.

585
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Um and I don't even use that data until next year,

586
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So based off of your

587
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: hunch you have here and that intel from last year,

588
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: and the conditions we have this weekend, yeah, unlike, uh,

589
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do like the Spencer new hard thing here,

590
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: like on a one to ten scale, how would you

591
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: rank like your optimism as far as like chances of

592
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: of a mature buck encounter or shot this weekend like

593
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: these next three days. I mean, my optimism is that

594
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: an all time high, But that doesn't translate into you

595
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, That doesn't translate into anything really.

596
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel that if I play my cards right,

597
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I will run into something what particular, dear, I don't know,

598
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: but it's a good betting area, um, and it's in

599
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: where I'm going to be setting. Is in between a

600
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: good betting area and a really good food source. On

601
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: another kind of staging area that's an oak flat before

602
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: it gets to a crop field. And I tell you man,

603
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: if I do it right, I'm I'm confident I'll see something.

604
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: But you know who knows what bucket is. These deer

605
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: aren't like on my farms and the country that I

606
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: hunt in. It's not like what you what you read

607
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: about on let's say like Dan Infult, where he hunts

608
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: specific buckbeds over and over and over again. These deer

609
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: don't have specific beds and they will they will go

610
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: to an area and find whatever they're most comfortable with. Now,

611
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: this area could be two three four acres or it

612
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: could be like my farm, which there's several different ridges

613
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: and it just depends on how far they want to walk.

614
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: Almost it's not like they're going back to the same

615
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: bedding area every single day because the wind is different

616
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: every single day. Interesting um hm I. And that's why

617
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: I to the listeners of this podcast is a lot

618
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: of people try to take um strategy away from someone

619
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: else who's been really successful. And I'm not trying to

620
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: take anything away from those people. But the deer are

621
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: not doing the same exact thing on your property that

622
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: they're doing on my property. Right, you have to be

623
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: able to take away principles and use those principles I can't.

624
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here Mark and tell you how

625
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: to hunt. I might be able to throw some ideas

626
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: your way, and I don't think that you're gonna be

627
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: able to give me advice on how to hunt my

628
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: property specifically, I mean specifically, right, we can take we

629
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: can give each other some ideas, but man, the deer

630
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: on my farm are not doing what the deer, let's say,

631
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin Marshland are doing, or or South Dakota, you

632
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: know where there's no trees. You know what I mean.

633
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Everybody has to has to use their brain. Yeah, it's

634
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: kind of the trust and verify kind of deal. We're

635
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: taking these ideas trust that works for these people in

636
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: their situations. But then you need to see, okay, can

637
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: this be applied to my situations so substances, you need

638
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: to verify that by way of observation, trial and error, um,

639
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff that, like you said,

640
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: that applies to anything that you say, or I say,

641
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: or any of our guests say. Um, but but that

642
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: is I guess, um, yeah, I guess that just kind

643
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: of applies to everything. So I mean you can take away,

644
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: for example, if I said, Mark, you need to get

645
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: down winto that betting area. That's that's a very generalized statement.

646
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: That is always good for hunting a buck during the rut. Right,

647
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: get down wind of that betting area. Right, anybody can

648
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: take take that away. But I don't know if that

649
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: betting area is on a river bottom or if that

650
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: is on a ridge or where if it's Yeah, you

651
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: know this is true. This is an important thing to

652
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: to to kind of qualify anything we talked about. So, um, yeah,

653
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: so I want to pivot a little bit. Damn, unless

654
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: you've got any other major updates on your hunts. No, no, no, no,

655
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: But my question is, and I know you kind of

656
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: roughly when or you know, very high level went over it,

657
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, what is what is your strategy on

658
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: your Michigan farm from kind of on a macro level?

659
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you just gonna sit back

660
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and and wait or are you gonna be aggressive on

661
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: some of these other I know, I know you mentioned

662
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: you were going to kind of just wait on your

663
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: your local or your your property and then go hunt

664
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: this other property. But are you making any type of

665
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: big moves with this cold front coming through? Yeah? So

666
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: to your first point, the macro strategy on like, there's

667
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: there's three properties that I've got to hunt in Michigan. Basically,

668
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: they've got a bunch of other kind of a handful

669
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: of other small spots I can hunt here and there,

670
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: but i have three kind of main quality options. I've

671
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: got the holy Field Farm, i have this new big

672
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: permission property that's on the west side of the state.

673
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: And then I've got our northern mission again deer camp

674
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: up there. So my holy Field strategy, as I kind

675
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: of mentioned earlier, is to basically check cameras and on

676
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: nights when I can swing it, drive out to this

677
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: area and observe the fields and down the power line

678
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: of stuff and try to see is holy Field alive?

679
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: Is he moving? Otherwise I'm staying out of there completely

680
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: until around Halloween. Once Halloween hits, then I'm going to

681
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: hunt it hard, assuming that I think holy Fields alive

682
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: at that point. So probably from the thirty one through

683
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: the seventh of November, I've got kind of budget to

684
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: hunt every day on that property, and I'm going to

685
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: be focusing on these betting area spots that I've set

686
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: up over the last two years where I had my

687
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: close calls of holy Field last year, and a bunch

688
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: of other bucks you know should have shot him last year,

689
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: and one of these stands. This summer, I went in

690
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: there and prepped and fixed up three new locations back

691
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: there that in past years I never used to hunt

692
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: back there, and then two years ago I all of

693
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: a sudden discovered, Oh, you're an idiot, Mark, you should

694
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: have been hunting here during the run. This is where

695
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: it's really happening. So that's my game plan for that

696
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: first week in November is to hunt that back area.

697
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: If holy Fields alive, I think that's gonna be where

698
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I'll get a shot him. And then on the seventh

699
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: and November, I'm going to the other property and uh,

700
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater crew, Ronnella and those guys are coming

701
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: down and hunting that property with me for a week,

702
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: um and we're gonna be filming that first show. So

703
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: that's the first two weeks in November, one week after

704
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: holy Field, one week on this new property, and then

705
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: after that going up to my Northern Michigan deer camp

706
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: for the gun season trip that I always do. That's

707
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: what November looks like. Um, So up between now and

708
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: then though, between now and that October ish time frame.

709
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: W I wanna start hunting holy Field. I'm kind of

710
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: just doing a little bit of bouncing around. I'm uh

711
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: doing the observation as I mentioned for the holy Field property.

712
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: On the days that look good where I think I

713
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: definitely should be hunting, I'm gonna be going to the

714
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: new property and kind of dabbling there. I don't necessarily

715
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: want to push into the very best stuff. Um I

716
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: feel like there's enough kind of safer locations that I

717
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: can get into just to learn, you know. I'm just

718
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: it's a big property, it's a new property, um So,

719
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of learn it, observe, see

720
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: what the ebbs and flows are of this area. Um

721
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: But when I like this cold front hunting or this

722
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: cold front coming this week, I'm gonna go to that

723
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: new property and a hunt one of the better sections

724
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: on one of these little food sources tied to a

725
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: betting air that I can sneak into. Um So, I'm

726
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna be doing that kind of thing. And then a

727
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: day here and there going up to the Northern Michigan

728
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: property just again get a couple of hunts in their

729
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: check cameras see what's going on. Um So, I'm not

730
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: really swinging for any fences yet. Between now and then,

731
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: it's basically gonna be learn the new property, observe the

732
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Holy Field property, get some hunts in, UM, want to

733
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: hit some public land stuff. Furter is gonna come down

734
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: next week. We're gonna do a little bit of public

735
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: land and running gunning. We're gonna go up to the

736
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: deer camp in northern Michigan for a day and a

737
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: half do some stuff up there. UM. But this brings

738
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: me to another kind of thing I need to talk about,

739
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of my first UM encounter with the

740
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: well not my first encounter, but you know, we talked

741
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: about before I had kids, before I had eight son um,

742
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: how that's going to impact my hunting, and how it's

743
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: going to impact my ability to travel and all these

744
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: kinds of things. And I knew it impact things. I

745
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: knew would make things more difficult, but I wasn't exactly

746
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: sure how I was going to rack to that. How

747
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: my plans have changed because of that. UM. So now

748
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: something is changing because of that UM. As we've talked about.

749
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: In September, I was gone a ton I was gone,

750
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: and even in August, right I was gone for a

751
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: week and a half in August on some um, non

752
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: hunting but other kind of work related trips. Then September

753
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I was gone. I think it was twenty days out

754
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: of the thirty days in September I was gone. And

755
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: then in October I had planned this like nine or

756
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: ten day trip to the Boundary Waters to Minnesota. That

757
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: I had a five or six day trip to Nebraska. UM,

758
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: and then the rut starts right then, and then it's

759
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, three weeks NonStop between them doing all those

760
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: things I just told you about. So I got home

761
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: from Montana and I'm looking at my calendar. I'm like,

762
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: holy smokes, my wife's been by herself basically for almost

763
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: three basically three weeks. I'm gonna be home for seven

764
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: days and then take off again for this Boundary Waters hunt. Um. Meanwhile,

765
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: she's trying to work because she works from home, so

766
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be doing work while she's at home,

767
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: but she's taking care of our our baby the whole time. UM.

768
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: So that over the past week or when I got

769
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: back from Montana, I started thinking about this, and I'm like,

770
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: how can I possibly take off again for another ten

771
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: days or whatever it might be after just being home

772
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: barely at all and not seeing my son hardly ever,

773
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: and not really contributing as a member of the household.

774
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: UM So, I have decided to postpone the Minnesota Boundary

775
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Waters hunt to the next year. I just don't see

776
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: how I could possibly leave for ten days right now

777
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: and then be home for four and then go on this,

778
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, three and a half weeks of different rut

779
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: obligations I have. Um. I just there's just no way

780
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: I could do that and still have a wife and

781
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: son when I get back home. Um and just you know,

782
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: put my wife in such a tough position. So it's

783
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: a it's a huge bummer because it's a trip that

784
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: I was really excited about. It's something we've talked to

785
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: a good amount of people are really interested in it,

786
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: um And I wanted to help bring attention to the

787
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters area and some of the things going on

788
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: right now and the threats is facing. Um So, I'm

789
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: really disappointed that I have to do this, and I

790
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. Um But it's one of those

791
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: things I think as a father, this is one of

792
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: those things where, yeah, this is my job, but also

793
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: I still need to find ways to balance it in

794
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: the right way. Um, And I feel like this is

795
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: one of those things I had to do in order

796
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: to to prioritize family in somewhere. You know, absolutely, man,

797
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: And you know what, I've talked with some of these

798
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: other guys who are quote unquote in the industry similar

799
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: to yourself. And although you don't produce a television show,

800
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: these guys they are gone for over two hundred days

801
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: a year if not more, going on hunts, producing their

802
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: television shows. And they have kids, wives and kids at home, right.

803
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: So it's like one of those things where I think

804
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people who say, hey, I want to

805
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: get into the hunting hunting industry, they don't understand that

806
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: if you know, yeah, going on all these hunts would

807
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: be completely awesome. However, there there's a lot of sacrifice

808
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: that's that has to be made as well. Oh yeah, yeah,

809
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: it's not not easy, and I'm not I'm not traveling

810
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: that much, but I travel certainly is ramping up with

811
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: all the new stuff going on these days, and that's

812
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: something I know I'm going to be increasingly you know,

813
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: trying to deal with in balance. So um, yeah, so

814
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: that's that's what's going on, So I'm not doing that hunt.

815
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: So because of that, I'm gonna be around though all

816
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: the way until the October, which is nice to be

817
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: able to be home for almost a month straight, um,

818
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: and then just doing those things I mentioned, Gonna bounce

819
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: between the new property, northern property, observe holy Field property,

820
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: and get some quality family time. And I don't think

821
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt this weekend or the next weekend. I'm

822
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: actually gonna take those weekends off and just spend time

823
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: with the family, try to do some things around the house,

824
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: just try to cross my teas and dot my eyes

825
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: and try to make sure everything is just good at

826
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: places that can be before before late October shows up. Um.

827
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: But but I do, and I will be still wanting

828
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: to talk about the Boundary Waters area, um, so on

829
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: some future podcasts and some social media content. I still

830
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about what's happening there because, as we

831
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: mentioned on this podcast way back in February, when I

832
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: originally brought up the idea of doing this hunt, the

833
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: this is this really special place. It's incredible wilderness area

834
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: in northern Minnesota. All these lakes and rivers and big woods,

835
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: timber and and deer and moose and wolves and tons

836
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: of walleye and pike and just incredible area. Um it's

837
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: the most visited wilderness area actually in the United States.

838
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: And there are these two minds being proposed right on

839
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: the border of this wilderness area that the water systems there,

840
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: if there's any pollution or leakage from those mines, is

841
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: going to go right into this incredible wild place. And

842
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: there's been this big battle over the past couple of

843
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: years about getting these leases approved, and just recently here

844
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: the the Interior Department has approved as as is allowing

845
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: this process to move forward. Now. Um, so it's a

846
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: it's bad news on that front. It's really bad news

847
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: on that front. Um. So I'm gonna try to get

848
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: some more information about that out there to the wire

849
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Town audience. If you've been kind of following that, I

850
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're you're up to day and

851
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: what's happening and how you know you might be able

852
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: to make your voice heard because I am going to

853
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: go do this hunt next year. It seems like an

854
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing place and uh and I want to make

855
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: sure and I think we we all should try to

856
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: make sure the places like that and experiences like that.

857
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, we're still available, um for for your kids,

858
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: Dan or my kids. Um for They're still to be clean,

859
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: pristine wild places to go, you know, experience the wilderness.

860
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's my story in the bound Waters. More

861
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: to come. That's a big deal. Yeah, it is. Um

862
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: So hopefully we can still raise a little awareness around it,

863
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: and then next year leading up to that hunt, I'm

864
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: sure there'll be lots to talk about. UM. Check this out. October,

865
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: I am going to my very first ever back Country

866
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers pint Night in Iowa. St We are

867
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: starting a a chapter in Iowa. That is awesome. Dude,

868
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're gonna be at that. It's a great organization, yep.

869
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: So I'm pumped that a lot of other guys like

870
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: myself have put interest into into that and uh we

871
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: are We've all I mean, we've already had some pint

872
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: nights in some other towns, which is great. Um. I

873
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: haven't been involved in in that section of it, but

874
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: I know this one's gonna be local and I will

875
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: be attending it. So I'm pretty punked for that sweet

876
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: October eighteenth. Where's it? Uh in Iowa City. Well, it's

877
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: not in Iowa City. It's in a town called Coralville,

878
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: just north of Iowa City, at a bar called guss Is.

879
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: All right, Gus is October eighteen in Coralville. What time?

880
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: I think it starts at six o'clock six or seven? Sweet. Well,

881
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: if you're a listener going out to the pinte in Iowa, um,

882
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: that's that'll be cool. Event I've not been able to

883
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: be to the pint night here in the last couple

884
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: of months, but they are always a good time and

885
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: a great way to get some like mine hunters and

886
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: anglers together. So on that point, we have many, many questions. Yeah,

887
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: we got to pivot to the questions because we've got

888
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: a little over half hour left to tackle about two

889
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: thousand questions quickly. Though, before we move on to our

890
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: Q and A section, let's take a second here to

891
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: thank our partners at White Tailed Properties. This week with

892
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: White Tailed Properties, we are joined by Neil Hogger, a

893
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: land specialist out of Wisconsin, and Neil is going to

894
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: be talking to us about how the shopping process is

895
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: different in areas that are famous for big deer. Well,

896
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo County is a nationally known county obviously, Um, a

897
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: lot of the land there that comes on the market

898
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: and sold really never make its makes it to the market.

899
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: So that's a major difference. So it kind of like

900
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Polk in Wisconsin. It's a top ten Pope and Young

901
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: County excellent hunting, but it just doesn't have the notoriety

902
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: that Buffalo County ass So to find property in Buffalo County,

903
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: I think the approach needs to be you've got to

904
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: get us close to the center of influences. You can

905
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: working with an agent like myself with white tailed properties. Uh,

906
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, we're moving and shaking in these counties all

907
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: the time. We're constantly talking to people or people are

908
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: approaching us. So if you're looking for quality land, I

909
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: think you've got to get to the center of influence.

910
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: And that's a guy like me um and kind of

911
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: like Polk, which is, you know, just as good hunting.

912
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: You could you could search some typical avenues of of

913
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: white tail properties, real estate websites, land Watch, type prop

914
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: property real estate websites, Zillo even, and you can find

915
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: property there um just as easy. But in an area

916
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: like that, and probably for a buffaloot too, I'd say

917
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: get to a guy that is selling land. You want

918
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: to land specialists, not necessarily a residential real estate agent,

919
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: because they'll have the insights that you need. If you'd

920
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: like to learn more and to see the properties that

921
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Neil currently has listed for sale, visit white tail properties

922
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: dot com. Backslash Hogger. It's h A U G E

923
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: R so. So I wrote an intro intro music for

924
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: this portion of the podcast. Whenever you're ready, just tell me. Okay,

925
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm ready. All right, Q and A, Q and A

926
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: time for Dana Mark two answer some IM Q and A.

927
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: All Right, there we go, ladies and gentlemen, it's time

928
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: for some Q and A. Here's your host, Mark Kenyan.

929
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: All right, So we're going to have to do this

930
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: as a recurring segment, and every time you need to

931
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: do that music, it might be different. It might be

932
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: different every time. Oh, I think it's terrific. Alright. So

933
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: the first question of the day is and I didn't

934
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: take the people's names. I just copy of the questions

935
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: and just listen for your question. But here's a question.

936
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: I've heard you guys joke about the acorn crunch before.

937
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: What exactly was it? I'll take this one Mark, Yeah,

938
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: take this one real quick, Dan, long story short. It

939
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: was two two leader bottle you know, like what you

940
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: would get bottles of pop in right though, the two

941
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Leader containers of pop. Those two lids right the screw

942
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: on lids with all these cuts in them, a little

943
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: spring in between, and you just would scrunch those back

944
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: and forth in your hand. And it was supposed to

945
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: replicate the sound of a deer eating an acorn, which

946
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: would cause other deer to come in to that sound.

947
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: There you go, the acorn cruncher, acorn cruncher. And it is,

948
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of comical idea, but hey, maybe work

949
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: for someone. I don't know. There's probably one guy out

950
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: there who shot a just a h a giant like

951
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: booner using that, and he probably has that in his

952
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: bag of tricks every single year. If that person is listening,

953
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: please reach out to us. I would like to I'd

954
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: like to hear that story. Um okay, next question, how

955
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: often do you use a grunt tube in October or

956
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: not at all? Is it just a waiting game? Go

957
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: for it? Mark? All right, So for me in October,

958
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: the only time I'm using the grunt to this month

959
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: is just maybe as like a light kind of contact

960
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: grunt looking for a little bit of curiosity, at least

961
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: in the early parts of the month. So you know,

962
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: if I'm in the tree right now, if I see

963
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: a buck that's out of range, um, I might just

964
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: do a light once or twice, just to see if

965
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: I might be getting curious and maybe come in. But

966
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it aggressively, and I'm not blind calling,

967
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, So that by that I mean I'm not

968
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: just sitting there not seeing any deer, but doing a

969
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: bunch of grunting hoping to catch something's attention. Often the distance. Um,

970
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: as you get into late October once it definitely feels

971
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: like that rut is ramping up that pre ride activity.

972
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: Once you're seeing bucks getting aggressive with each other, maybe

973
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: some sparring or um, you know, different things like that

974
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: going on, maybe a little bit chasing even the beginning

975
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: at that first dough and estris popped in the last

976
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: couple of days of October. At that point, then I

977
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: will use a grunt too much more as I would

978
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: in November, which is, you know, if I see again.

979
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't like to do a lot blind calling really ever,

980
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: but if I see a buck a shooter buck out

981
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: of range, I typically start with a contact grunt of

982
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: some kind try to get his attention. If that doesn't work,

983
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: I'll get a little more aggressive and do a little

984
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: more like a roar. If that doesn't do it, the

985
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: last thing I would try it would be a snort weeze,

986
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: which is that kind of sound which is like this

987
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: really aggressive, like hey man, I'm gonna kick your ass.

988
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: Is basically what's the what a deer says when he

989
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: makes a snort we's and that's very aggressive. I would

990
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: only use that during that time period where bucks are

991
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, sizing each other up and

992
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: duking it out over ladies. Um. So that's kind of

993
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: my grunt call progression that I'm using during that kind

994
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: of pre rut to rut phase. Um. The only other

995
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: thing I'd say about grunting is that if you do

996
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: one of those things and the buck reacts positively and

997
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: starts coming into you, don't do any other calling. Once

998
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: you get the reaction you want, I would stop calling

999
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and just let him come. And then on the other side,

1000
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: if he reacts like really negatively, let's say I do

1001
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: that snort weez and he tucks his tail and like

1002
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: starts slinking away or bounds away. That's saying like, hey,

1003
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't like that, don't keep calling stuff. You're just

1004
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna make the situation worse. I think at that point

1005
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: then I just quiet down and let him go his

1006
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: way and just kind of realize, Okay, it's not happening. Um,

1007
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: that is my quick take on it. What do you think, Dan?

1008
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: Pretty much the exact same man. I don't even bring

1009
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: my rattling antlers in the tree with me until you know,

1010
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: late October. Uh, the grunt tube is always with me.

1011
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: And this time of year, let's just say for this weekend,

1012
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: for example, something comes out of range and it's within

1013
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: my window of wind, so to speak. Um, just one bra.

1014
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: If he doesn't hear me, bra bra, and then that

1015
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: should get his attention. And if it doesn't, I wait

1016
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: for him to acknowledge it or just keep on moving,

1017
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: because sometimes they'll hear it and they don't care, and

1018
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: then other times they'll they'll look over. And then once

1019
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: they look over, like you said, no more calling, that

1020
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: will bite you in the butt. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1021
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: so we are we're on the same page of that.

1022
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: From how about this one. How do you hunt a

1023
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: buck that only shows up on trail camera in the

1024
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: middle of the night. Okay, so you got two options here, right.

1025
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: This happens a lot for guys who have their trail

1026
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: trail cameras on field edges. Right, you don't, I mean

1027
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: you check your trail camera and you're like, oh man,

1028
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's ten o'clock at night. I

1029
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: can't you know? How do I How do I know

1030
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: where this deer is coming from? Look at look at

1031
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: your map, Look at the top of study that trail

1032
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: camera picture to where this deer is entering. Is he

1033
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: entering from the left, Well, maybe he's coming on the

1034
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: left side of the ridge. Is he coming is he

1035
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: coming in on the right, Well, maybe he's coming from

1036
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: this area? Then if you really want to, depending on

1037
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: there's so many different variables, but take your stand, do

1038
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: a run and gun and go into the timber a

1039
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: little bit more and set up and maybe try to

1040
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: catch him in a staging area or on a travel

1041
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: route before he gets to um gets to that trail

1042
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: camera or on a terrain feature that will prevent you

1043
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: from being seen not only from access but setting up

1044
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: your stand from their betting area, and then you can

1045
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a little bit more aggressive. The

1046
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: other option is to when I get a trail camera

1047
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: picture of a buck at night, let's say midnight, one am,

1048
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: two am in the morning, Dude, I don't even know

1049
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: where that buck's bed for the most part, and then

1050
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: I treat it like that buck doesn't even exist, to

1051
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because you can't hunt a deer

1052
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: at night. So yeah, yeah, I would echo a lot

1053
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: of what you just said there. I think the two

1054
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 1: options are either number one, if you're getting the middle

1055
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: of the night picture of a deer, to your point,

1056
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: that means typically that that deer is not betted close

1057
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: to where your cameras, so he's not living right there.

1058
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: So you can do one of two things. You can

1059
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: either number one, do what you just said in the beginning,

1060
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: which is try to find where he is. Try to

1061
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: get closer to where he has betted. So if you've

1062
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: got some kind of hunt or data that points to

1063
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: the fact that, well, yeah, he's shown up at ten

1064
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: o'clock at night here at this camera, but that's because

1065
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's betted quarter mile over this direction,

1066
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: I can get closer to that, and you could try

1067
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: making that move like Dan said, that's a little more aggressive,

1068
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: but you could try that or make you know, get

1069
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: closer and closer, Maybe move that camera with you and

1070
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: then keep tad and maybe now you're starting to get

1071
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: a picture of him just an hour after dark. Well,

1072
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: now you know you're getting a little bit closer to that. Um. Now,

1073
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: of course this changes as the season progresses, right because

1074
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: once we get into the rut, then that kind of

1075
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: normal bed defeed pattern is going to change a lot.

1076
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: But that's one option, or the second option again echoing

1077
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: what you said, Dan, is the fact that don't hunt

1078
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: that deer until he does start showing up in daylight.

1079
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: So if you don't have the ability to relocate, or

1080
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: if you think he's betted on some other neighboring property

1081
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: that there's no way you can get closer to it,

1082
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: then I'd say keep the pressure low in that area

1083
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: until he actually is moving in daylight, when you actually

1084
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: have a chance. Because if you hunt that property hard

1085
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: right now, because you're getting pictures him in the middle

1086
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: of night and you're just hoping one day he shows up,

1087
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: you're leaving your scent in there. Every time, you are

1088
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: probably educating does in the area. You're probably educating other bucks,

1089
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: And every time you do that, you're probably impacting your

1090
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: chances of success in the future for that Buck because

1091
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: he's smelling you or the does that he might be

1092
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: chasing in November, they're real rising that you're in there,

1093
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: so they don't move in daylight, or they move to

1094
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: a different property, different stuff like that. So don't screw

1095
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: things up until he does start moving in daylight. So

1096
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: try to find a way to safely check that camera

1097
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: once a week or something. And when you do see

1098
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: him show up in daylight, or you do see him

1099
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: show up, you know, close to daylight, then I'd say,

1100
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: when the conditions are right, we know, when you get

1101
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: the right wind or whatever, strike hard and fast, when

1102
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: you've got that daylight movement. That would be my my

1103
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: two thoughts agreed. Okay, Um, this is one that you

1104
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: answered on Facebook. Damn, but I have to say it, Dan,

1105
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: if you could, if you could have your finger back,

1106
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: but could only use crossbows for the rest of your life,

1107
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: would you do it? Finger stays off my friends, I

1108
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: don't need it, I don't need my I don't need

1109
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: my right finger gott to use that compound. Huh, that's right,

1110
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: that's right. I love that one. And then then i'd

1111
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: have to change all my settings, right, I can't be

1112
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: nine fingers anymore. I have to be ten fingers again.

1113
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: There's no no ring to that. Yeah, there's and they're

1114
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: no going back. No, you're right. Um, Okay, when you're

1115
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: doing your running guns setups, how much trimming do you do?

1116
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: Are you forced hunt areas that aren't as thick to

1117
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: allow you to get in and hunt them without need

1118
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: to trim a lot? Or do you just trim it

1119
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: all up, you know, as much as you need to?

1120
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: Are you you start this one? Okay? So I will

1121
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: say that I do as little trimming as possible, um,

1122
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: simply because to the point he made, you know it

1123
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: can it's hard to get in and get a spot

1124
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: trimmed out without making a lot of noise, without leaving

1125
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: sign you know, without branches beyond the ground, just different

1126
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: things that cause spooka deer if you're in there and

1127
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: trying to set up to hunt right now. As a

1128
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: little disturbance as possible is the name of the game.

1129
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: So I try to minimize my trimming. But you know,

1130
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm also not going to leave a limb up that

1131
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: I think is gonna keep me from getting one of

1132
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: the most likely shot opportunities. So I'll get up there

1133
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna map out where exactly I think those

1134
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: shots are gonna come, and I will, you know, take

1135
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: twenty minutes to very slowly and quietly cut a limb

1136
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: if I think that's going to be an important place.

1137
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: I do definitely take limbs into consideration when picking my trees, though,

1138
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: So if possible, if I possibly can be in the

1139
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: right area and being a tree that doesn't require as

1140
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: much trimming, I'm gonna do it as long as I've

1141
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: got the adequate cover. Um, you kind of want to

1142
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: find that best possible scenario where the trees in the

1143
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: right place, there is some cover up there that's gonna

1144
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: keep you hidden in the tree, but not so much

1145
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: that you need to cut down fifty limbs just to

1146
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: be able to get a shot. Um, that's not always

1147
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: going to be the scenario. So there's gonna be some

1148
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: days when you get trim more, and there's gonna be

1149
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: some days that maybe you need to live with just

1150
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: a tiny bit less cover than you'd like. UM that

1151
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: balancing act is something that you're gonna have to make

1152
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: that decision based off of the experiences you've had in

1153
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: the past and your comfort level with that. Um, that's

1154
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: I guess my take. Yeah, for the most part, I'm

1155
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: the same man. I get up and I try to

1156
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: trim as little as humanly possible, and a lot of

1157
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: it depends on where I think the deer are coming

1158
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: and going from. If I feel that I'm setting up

1159
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: relatively close, I'm trimming way less right and I'm probably

1160
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: not getting as high and my running guns set up

1161
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: because the higher you get, the more you have to trim.

1162
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: So it's you know, these running guns are sneak attacks. Dude,

1163
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: you wanna you want to You want to get in

1164
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: and get out without the deer even knowing you're there.

1165
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: So you know, trimming a lot, I mean that means

1166
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: you're having to take a pole saul and cut like

1167
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: thirty yard shooting lanes. I'm not doing that. Yeah, yeah,

1168
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: just it's really hard to get away with that kind

1169
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: of thing. Yep. Um, speaking of running guns, someone in here,

1170
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not seeing it right now on my

1171
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: little list, but I know that somebody asked if you

1172
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: Dan have considered trying to saddle after hearing about the

1173
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: fact that I've been using it and liking it and

1174
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: that stuff for your running gun idea. Yeah, man, you know,

1175
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: the tree saddle is definitely the fat or the popular

1176
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: notion right now in uh for the running gun guys

1177
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: out there. For me, man, I don't know. I I like,

1178
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it, and I'm sure it's

1179
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: very comfortable, and I would I would have to play

1180
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: around with it. But right now, man, I just can't

1181
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: get over the fact that if something comes in when

1182
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: you're in a saddle, when something comes in fast and

1183
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: hard and it's on the opposite side of you, on

1184
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: your non it would be on your dominant hand, but

1185
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: you're non dominant shooting side, so you have to twist

1186
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: all the way in the tree. And that just to

1187
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: me not only seems like a lot of movement, but

1188
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: just an awkward shooting form. Where yes, that same kind

1189
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: of thing happens in a tree stand. But I'm able

1190
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: to have stable footing, and I don't know, I I

1191
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: just can't get past that how having to swing the

1192
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: whole body around on the tree. Let's say if a

1193
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: doe pops up and then a buck blows in chasing

1194
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: her or something like that. You know what I mean?

1195
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: That makes sense? No, it does, and that is the

1196
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: one scenario that's tougher out of the saddle. Um, you're

1197
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: right about that. UM. I will say that it has

1198
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: been much easier to maneuver in the stand for in

1199
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: the saddle than I even thought. I Like, in that

1200
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: Montana hunt on day three, I had a shooter show

1201
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: up right and right in front of me and then

1202
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: go behind the tree I was in, and I was

1203
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: able to way easier than if I'd been standing the

1204
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: tree stand. I was able to swing almost an eighty

1205
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: degrees around the tree to still be able to almost

1206
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: get a shot at him as he went around the

1207
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: other side. UM. Now that was my left side and

1208
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: forward side, so it wasn't the scenario you listed there. UM.

1209
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, my point being, I think it definitely. I've

1210
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: found there to be some really nice versatility with certain situations.

1211
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: I haven't encountered the one you mentioned yet, So TBD

1212
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: on that. UM. For me, the only the only other

1213
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: thing that you might want or not considered, but another

1214
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: reason why it might not be as good a fit

1215
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: for you is because of those bad knees you've got. Um.

1216
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that's not You're not not trying to

1217
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: give you a hard time, but because I know you

1218
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: have talked about some knee issues. Um My buddy Dustin,

1219
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: had he blew out his uh oh gosh, this is

1220
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: a c L or m c L or some some

1221
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: cl he blew out something. Um, And he tried to

1222
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: use the saddle the other night and within like an

1223
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: hour of standing on those steps or what he was

1224
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: using some steps on the tree. Um, it was really

1225
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: really hurting him having that consistent pressure on it. So

1226
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: it's it's different physically, It's not like just sitting. You

1227
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: definitely do have more tension. You have weight on your

1228
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: feet or on your knees. Um. So I think there's

1229
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: a certain level of like physical fitness or health that

1230
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: is kind of important to have when using a saddle

1231
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: that maybe isn't quite as important when sitting on a

1232
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: ladder stand or something. Something to think about. Next question,

1233
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: My stand has deer entering from every direction. I literally

1234
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: have deer come from everywhere during my first sit. How

1235
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: do I play the win game in that kind of situation? Man?

1236
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: That's tough. I mean, I have some river bottom stands

1237
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: that are that are like that, and it sounds to

1238
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: me that he is in a circle, right, and he's

1239
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: sitting in the center of the circle. So my suggestion

1240
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: would be to not sit in the center of the

1241
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: circle and sit off to one of the sides closer

1242
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: to the line of the circle, and that way you're

1243
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to have you know, play

1244
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: the wind a little bit better in in that scenario.

1245
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: But if it's the only option, then I would say, man,

1246
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: get high, go in there, and go in there and

1247
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: try to get um uh, some really good shooting lanes

1248
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: trimmed out before the season starts or after the season ends.

1249
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: Not this year, probably because it's too late, but get

1250
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: as you maybe get a little higher, or depending on

1251
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: the scenario, this might be a good option for a

1252
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: ground line to help reduce some of that set m.

1253
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: It's an interesting idea. Um yeah, you know, that is

1254
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: a tough scenario and kind of along the lines of

1255
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: what you were saying, one easy solution would be, don't

1256
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: sit in that spot right, adjust your location to try

1257
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: to better place yourself from wind perspective, so there aren't

1258
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: dear entering from every direction, or taking advantage of some

1259
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of terrain feature that might you know, cut off

1260
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: their movement and allowing you to have a safe wind

1261
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: section um, or maybe set up so that your wind

1262
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 1: blows down a creek drainage or over a ridge or whatever. UM.

1263
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: There's options like that. Sometimes you're just gonna have to

1264
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: assume that you're not gonna be able to get away everything.

1265
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: So on something like this my holy Field property, it's

1266
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: got a very high deer population and there's some areas

1267
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: of the property that if I want to hunt it,

1268
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: I know that eventually there's gonna be dear every direction

1269
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: at some point, and you have to go in there

1270
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: making some assumptions and make a sacrifice. Like, all right,

1271
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: I gotta hunt the spot because it's really good, and

1272
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to have to sacrifice something. So

1273
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: just make sure that the section that you're sacrificing is

1274
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: the very lowest odds area, you know, be thoughtful about

1275
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: at least and realize that, okay, I gotta give up something.

1276
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: Make sure you're going in there when that's something you're

1277
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 1: giving up is the smallest possible window of risk. Um.

1278
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: And then of course play your scent control as best

1279
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. So do everything that you know

1280
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: of to try to minimize your scent imprint, whether that

1281
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: be washing your clothes, storing them somewhere that's sent free,

1282
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: spram down with stuff, making sure that you are washed

1283
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: down if possible, to make sure you're not extra stinky. Um.

1284
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: You can try different things that me and Dan have

1285
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: like ozonics units or nose jammer or scent crusher or

1286
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of options out there to

1287
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: try to deal with scent. Um. I think a lot

1288
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: of them help. I don't think any one of them

1289
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: will help you become sent free, but they can help.

1290
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: So try some of those things. They've helped me, they've

1291
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: helped Dan Um. I like your idea, Dana, trying to

1292
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: get really high, that's something that might work. Or the

1293
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: ground get down low that might help. UM. If you're

1294
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: in an area where you've got some terrain, you might

1295
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: be able to take advantage of thermals. So this might

1296
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: be a spot that if you're hunting in a low spot,

1297
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe that is the morning progresses, you're gonna have that

1298
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: thermal start pulling air up the ridge behind you. You

1299
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: might build get away with something in that scenario if

1300
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: you take advantage of that. UM. But again, it's just

1301
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: really hard to answer these kinds of questions without knowing

1302
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: the specifics. So that's a little bit of general advice.

1303
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: I guess yep. Um okay, here's another good one. Um,

1304
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: without the use of trail cameras, how would you break

1305
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: down a piece of property in season if it's a

1306
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: property you've never hunted before? For me? For me, man,

1307
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: it's just it all comes down to being mobile, right.

1308
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you don't have trail cameras, right,

1309
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: you're not going to use them. I'm taking that out

1310
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: of the equation. The only way for me to know

1311
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: what is in there and where you know where the

1312
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: deer are coming from is to go in and scout

1313
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: and hunt at the same time. Right, you go in

1314
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: with the stand on your back. You you walk in,

1315
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: you scout it, and you hang up on front, you

1316
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: hang on fresh sign. I mean, that's that's just the

1317
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: first thing that pops into my head. The reason I

1318
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: say that is because if you're going and you're doing

1319
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: scouting in season, you're laying down unwanted cent you're putting

1320
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: on wanted pressure on the herd, and that all that's

1321
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: doing is just kicking out the highest quality deer in

1322
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: that area because they will smell you and they will

1323
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: alter their their route. I guess their pattern on that

1324
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: farm because of you. So the best way to do

1325
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: it is hanging bang What I mean I do? That's

1326
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: dance life philosophy right there, folks. Uh um, yeah, I

1327
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: tend to agree with you in that without cameras, you

1328
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: are dependent on either looking at sign or taking observation

1329
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: data into account. So what you're actually seeing, dear do um?

1330
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: So the first thing I would say is scout the

1331
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: heck out of the map. Look at the aerial map,

1332
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: look at the top of map. Try to identify the

1333
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: key things based off of assumption as you're making from

1334
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: that map. So, where do you think that the food

1335
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: sources are? Where? Do you think the best betting airs are? Where?

1336
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: Based off the trainer aerial maps? Do you think that

1337
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: some funnels or pinch points might be just those base

1338
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: sit kind of features that we use white tail hunters

1339
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: like t kian on identify those best areas on your maps.

1340
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: Then I would dive in and depending on how much

1341
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: time you have, Like if this is like a five

1342
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: day hunt or something like that, and you've got to

1343
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: make it happen. And it's during the rut. Um, maybe

1344
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,520
Speaker 1: it's a public land hunt or this new private land peace. Um.

1345
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: I think that I do not typically do this, but

1346
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys do, and I could

1347
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: see why it would make sense, and I probably will

1348
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: do this more often. When I'm trying some new areas out,

1349
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: like this new Nebraska place I'm going to, I might

1350
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: take this tact, which is take a day or half

1351
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: a day during the middle of the day, if if

1352
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: you maybe a rainy day or a windy day when

1353
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: you can get away a little more and do a

1354
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: scout like go and walk to those best looking areas

1355
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: and see like yes or no, are they what I

1356
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: thought they were? And knowing that you are gonna make

1357
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: a big risk on that first day, you're gonna blow

1358
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: some stuff out probably, But if it's during the rut,

1359
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: you might deal get away with it. It's better to

1360
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: learn a bunch on day one and bump a few

1361
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: deer versus and then hopefully will take advantage of that

1362
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: and hunt informed the rest of the time, versus going

1363
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: and blind without knowing anything and just sitting on the

1364
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: edges and waiting for something to come to you without

1365
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, getting any of that intel. So there's a

1366
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: balancing act you have to make right there, and it's

1367
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: always going to be based on how much time you have,

1368
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: how much can you get away with. But the long

1369
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: story short of it is learn as much as you

1370
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: can when scouting, have your stand or whatever with you. Hunt, observe, adjust, hunt,

1371
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: observe adjust. That's how I would go about breaking it down.

1372
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: And typically I would be hunting from the outside in.

1373
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: I would try to be sitting somewhere I can observe

1374
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: and see an area and then see, Okay, it looks

1375
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: like most of the doughs are coming out of that

1376
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: corner of the field or that clearing of the CRP,

1377
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: and then the next day get tight to that and

1378
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: then you're able to see back in that cover a

1379
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: little bit better and then you see, okay, yeah, there's

1380
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: a buck that's cruising down winto there, and then I

1381
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: can adjust the next day eight yards further back. UM.

1382
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: That kind of um step by step strategy is probably

1383
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 1: the way I go about him. Yeah, and our guests

1384
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: that have been on this podcast, who are you know

1385
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: the guys who go on public ground or wherever out

1386
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: of state trips, A majority of the time on those

1387
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: trips has spent scouting before they go and actually make

1388
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: a move, right, So ye gotta have It's just you

1389
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: need that information. Hunting blind is just waiting for something

1390
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: lucky to happen is usually not the way to go.

1391
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: YEA next question, I've heard Dan mentioned before that having

1392
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: a ginger beard helps kill big deer. I'm going to

1393
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: test this theory this season. I was wondering if he

1394
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: had any tips on styles or grooming that might help.

1395
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: Also tips on how to deal with a wife who's

1396
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: not a fan of the ginger beard. Well, I don't

1397
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: know about your wife. My my wife doesn't mind my beard, right,

1398
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She doesn't like it Yukon Cornelia style where

1399
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: it's just it and bushy. But here's the catch twenty two,

1400
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: My friend, you can't drop the hammer if you don't

1401
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: have the Yukon cornelius. Does that make sense? Yeah, you

1402
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,480
Speaker 1: gotta have it first before you can shave it off.

1403
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: That's right, And then rutt hits drop the hammer the wife.

1404
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,839
Speaker 1: I know this is there's probably kids listening, but be prepared.

1405
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: The kids for the kids, be prepared because the wife might,

1406
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, get aggressive in her tactics. If you know

1407
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, when you drop the hammer, you set

1408
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: when when you drop the hammer, Yeah, alright, orschal barf. Yeah,

1409
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: it's it's high risk, high reward. It's kind of like

1410
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: going in deep to the betting area. It's that kind

1411
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: of situation. So moving on, that's a question. Someone speaking

1412
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: of someone also asked if we think that Mark's baby

1413
01:16:53,520 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: face scares off dear. That's like if I almost feel

1414
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: like if I hung around you freshly shaved, that people

1415
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: would think that I'm trying to traffick you across the

1416
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: United States, like my pimp. Yeah, like, oh, okay, okay,

1417
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: we gotta go. I'll go down a rabbit hole. Next

1418
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,480
Speaker 1: the next question. Let's then not get too off track here, Um, okay,

1419
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: let's see here. What's another good one. Um, if you

1420
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 1: had to chew well man, that's okay, here's sort of

1421
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: good question. Do you feel that starting to concentrate on

1422
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: bucks early in your hunting career has hurt you or

1423
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: could hurt someone you know? So does that or that's

1424
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: part one of the questions, And then he says, do

1425
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: you think it would be beneficial for new hunters to

1426
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: start feeling a lot of dough tags before focusing on bucks,

1427
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: so when the moment of truth does come on a

1428
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: good buck, they actually have some experience and have been

1429
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: there before. Um thoughts on that? Then, Okay, here's what

1430
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: I'll say on this. If you are a parent and

1431
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: you start your kid off with a giant deer, what

1432
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: does that kid really have to look forward to? Write?

1433
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: This kid is gonna this kid is gonna go one

1434
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: or two directions. He's gonna say, well, man, I can't

1435
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: shoot a deer that big every year, and I you know,

1436
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot a small deer, so I

1437
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: just won't hunt anymore. That's just what I see when

1438
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: I see these people. You know, it's like, hey, look

1439
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: at Johnny's first kill was a hundred you know, hundred deer.

1440
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I think that if you want

1441
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: to get comfortable around deer, you have to just go

1442
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: and hang around deer and shoot deer. And I feel

1443
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: that for a new hunter, you go out, you fill

1444
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: those tags and then you stare step up right. I mean,

1445
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: you have to learn. For me, I kind of I

1446
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 1: don't want to say, I regret focusing on big deer

1447
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: a lot because I got an education and I got

1448
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: it fast, and that education is worth a lot to

1449
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: what I'm doing today. But like for my children, I'm

1450
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: going to let them go out and do whatever they want.

1451
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: If they want to shoot a spike, I'm gonna let

1452
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: him shoot a spike. If they want to shoot a dough,

1453
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him shoot a doll. And I'll be

1454
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: there for any advice, but I'm not gonna tell them

1455
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: what they can or can't shoot. Yeah, I agree with you,

1456
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: and I do think that to his point. You know,

1457
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: go out there, do whatever you want, whatever makes you happy.

1458
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: But there there's always this risk when the hunting media

1459
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: US included talks about hunting mature bucks or big bucks

1460
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: or whatever. We talked about that a lot, and if

1461
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: you're a new hunter and you're hearing that, it might

1462
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: be easy to think, oh, well, that's what I need

1463
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: to do too, But you don't. You don't go out there,

1464
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: have a good time. Learn. As Dan said, take it

1465
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: one step at a time. It is not easy figuring

1466
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: out this whole deer hunting things. So don't expect that

1467
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: your first year or in a handful of years you

1468
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: should be out there shooting four year old deer. It's

1469
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen in most cases. So go out

1470
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: there and shoot the first year you get to answer.

1471
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: If that's you know, if you want to fill that freezer,

1472
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: if you want that experience, that's awesome. Go out enjoy that,

1473
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: get that meat, and then it does prepare you much

1474
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: better for the point if you do ever want to

1475
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 1: start targeting older deer, Like the question asker said, handling

1476
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: that moment of truth, there's nothing that can prepare you

1477
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: to better handle the moment of truth, especially if it's

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Speaker 1: a mature buck. Then having already pulled the trigger on

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01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: a lot of other deer, nothing, no amount of practice

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01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: in the backyard is actually going to simulate the experience

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01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: of a real live animal in front of you that

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: you need to aim and get a good, quick click, quick, clean,

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: ethical kill. On that experience right there is something that

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01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: I think that any new hunter needs to get out

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: and just start having. So go out there and shoot

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: some does shoot young bucks, get some amazing protein on

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01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: your plate, and and learn from that and enjoy that experience.

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01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: That's what I would say. Word up, word up, um,

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: let's see here, October lull. We've talked about this in

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01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: a jillion times, but we should just give it like

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01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: a thirty second cliff, not from both of us, just

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01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: for someone new. Do we believe in the October law? Dan?

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: What's your cliff? Notes? All right? Dan does not believe

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01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: in the October law. I will give you a slightly

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01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: more elaborate version of that answer. I will say that

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01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: the October lull is not what most people think it is.

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01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: Most people think that the October law is this time

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01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: period during the October where dear move less and it's

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01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: really hard to kill dear. That's not true. Research has

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01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: shown that buck movement and dear movement in general typically

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01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: tends to trend up through the entire month of October.

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01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean that hunters are going to

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01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: see that, because there's a bunch of different changes happening

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: happening in October. Number one, A bunch of hunters are

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01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: now in the woods in mid October. Dear adjust to

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01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: that that change their behavior. They change where they move,

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01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: they change when they move. Number two, a lot of

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01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: food sources are changing. You've got some crops that are

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01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: coming out you've got some crops that are maturing. You've

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01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: got some crops that are um not as attractive to

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: deer anymore. You've got acorns dropping in the woods. You

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01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of stuff like that that changes

1513
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: deer patterns. Again, if you don't adjust to the deer's

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01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 1: changing patterns, you're not going to see that movement. Number Three,

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01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: the cover available in most areas is changing. You've got

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 1: leaves dropping, You've got certain grasses that are starting to

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01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: get matted down or leaf covers coming down. That's opening

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01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: up the area, opening up the timber in certain ways.

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01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: So areas that deer felt comfortable moving during daylight on

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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: September when there's leaves everywhere might not feel the same

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: way on October seventeenth when the leaves are coming down.

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: And now it's why it open in there. So those

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: deer are going to change where they move during daily

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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: because of that too. Again, if you don't adjust for that,

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: you're not going to see the movement. So I would

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01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: say that the October law is a reality for a

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: lot of people simply because they're not adjusting to these changes.

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01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: That's my take on the October law. So can you

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01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: have success during the law. Yes, if you're able to

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01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: adjust to those changes and you have places and you

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01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 1: know how the deer change, if you can get in there, yeah,

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: you can definitely get it done. If you don't understand

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: how those changes are happening, if you don't know where

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01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: the deer have moved to or how they're changing their behavior,

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01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: if you're just gonna be going in there blind in

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01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: mid October, that might not be as good of an idea.

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01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: You might in that situation put yourself in a better

1538
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: position if you buy your time a little bit until

1539
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: later into the month when you're gonna get another pick

1540
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: up and movement around that pre rut time frame. So

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01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: it just depends on your circumstances. That's kind of my

1542
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: take on the on the quote unquote law. Would you

1543
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: argue with any of that dinner, I would not. Long

1544
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: story short, You're not gonna kill a deer mid October

1545
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: when it's seventy five degrees outside on a field edge, right,

1546
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: or you could right. There's no rules, there's no black

1547
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: and white. There's always exceptions to the rule. Um, is

1548
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: the that being said drinking game still in effect? And

1549
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: if not, can we bring that back I had to stop. Yeah, stop,

1550
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: you're you haven't said it as much anymore. But back

1551
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: in the day, man, what last year, two years ago?

1552
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: When you first started, it was it was like almost

1553
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: like some people would say, um um um. It was

1554
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: that being said, what do you think about this? Dan,

1555
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: and and that being said, let's move on to the

1556
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: next point. If there was a person doing a drinking game, man,

1557
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: send my regards to their family. I'm sure they're dead.

1558
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 1: They had a rough year back in exactly. It's a

1559
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: whole lot of podcast drinking. Um. Okay, So I think

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01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: that Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to pull the plug on

1561
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: this one because I have another meeting I have to

1562
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: get to. I feel like there's so many other questions

1563
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to answer. H do So we

1564
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: were we should probably do a part two maybe here

1565
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: next week or something. We'll we'll tackle some more listener questions, um,

1566
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of good ones in

1567
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: here that that would be helpful. So let's let's throw

1568
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: a time out on this one. Let's wish everyone luck

1569
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: this uh this coming week, and Dan um do me

1570
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: a favor. Kill Natalie Charlie so we can all see

1571
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: what this deer looks like. Huh. Alright, man, I'm gonna

1572
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: give her a try. Alright, good luck, my friend, and

1573
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Same to you. And that's

1574
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today, folks. So thanks for

1575
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: tuning in. Hopefully you enjoyed this. We will try to

1576
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: tackle more questions next time around. Until then, make sure

1577
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: you're falling We're done on Instagram and Facebook, in YouTube,

1578
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned at the beginning, check out that

1579
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: new season of the Meet Your TV Show on Netflix.

1580
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: And otherwise, all I can ask of you is to

1581
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: get out in the woods, have a great time, shoot straight,

1582
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: get some backstraps on the grill, and enjoy this most

1583
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: wonderful time of year. So thank you again. I appreciate

1584
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: your support, and until next time, stay wired to hunt.

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Speaker 1: H