1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day ba q At podcast, available 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Monday, 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: the fourteenth of April in London. I'm Caroline Hepkere and. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. The dollar drops as 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: Donald Trump downplays his tariff pause on electronics and vow's 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 3: new levies on the sector. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Exports to the US from China surge in March as 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: firm scrambled to source goods before duties push up costs. 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: Plus forging ahead, UK officials race to secure the crucial 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: materials needed to keep British steals blast furnaces running. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: President Donald Trump says a pause on tariffs for certain 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: electronics is only temporary, insisting in his words that nobody 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: is getting off the hook. On Friday, the US announced 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: that popular consumer electronics, including phones and apptops, would be 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: exempt from the planned one hundred and twenty five percent 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: tariff on Chinese goods and ten percent global levies, but 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 3: over the weekend it became clear that those products would 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: soon face separate charges. Posting on truth social On Sunday, 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: Trump said the exempted items were just moving to a 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: different tariff bucket, and that the administration would now be 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 3: focusing on semiconductors and the whole electronics supply chain. Speaking 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: to reporters on Air Force one, Trump gave further details 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: of his plan. 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: The tariffs will be in place in the non distant future, because, 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: as you know, like we did with steel, like we 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 4: did with automobiles, like we did with aluminum, which are 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: now fully on, we'll be doing that with semiconductors, with 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: chips and numerous other things. And that'll take place in 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: the very near. 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Future, probably the semiconductor tear I'm going to. 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: Be announcing it over the next week. 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: It's not yet clear what tariff rate Trump plans to 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: apply to semiconductors and related products, but other sectors such 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: as stealing off face levees of twenty five percent. This 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: latest twist comes as countries and global markets continue to 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: be whipsored by a flurry of walk backs, carve outs, 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: and concessions from the administration. 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 2: The news that the technology sector is likely to get 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: only a temporary reprieve from tariffs has helped to drive 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: the green back to fresh lows. The BlueBag Dollar Spot 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: index slipped on Monday after tumbling two point four percent 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: last week amid escalating trade tensions with China and concerns 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: about US growth slowing down. The move lower comes as 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: traders pay close attention to the US treasury market following 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: last week's route. Bob Michael, global head of fixed income 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: at JP Morgan Asset Management, says the worst of the 49 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: sell off has likely now happened. 50 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 5: I think there's still a bit more of a washout 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: to go. I think there are still the investors that 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 5: are coming in overseas that have seen the downward price 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 5: moves and maybe unwinding some position. But I feel pretty 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 5: good that we're putting in a low in price and 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: a high end yield here. 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, Michael speaking there. As markets continue to digest the 57 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: latest tariff news out of Washington, Equity index futures for 58 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: both the US and Europe are pointing high this morning. However, 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: a rise in the price of gold, which hit a 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: new record high, suggests investors remain cautious about what lies ahead. 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: The latest tariff moves from the US come as new 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: data shows China's exports surge till last month, exports in 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: dollar terms far exceeded all forecasts to rise by twelve 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: point four percent, with a near nine percent rise in 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: goods being sent to the US. The figure suggests that 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: many companies were front loading orders in March to get 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: ahead of looming tariffs. The data also reveals the Chinese 68 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: exports to Southeast Asia reached their second highest level on record, 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: suggesting firms are diverting shipments to countries across the region. 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: Here in the UK, corporate finance chiefs have been adopting 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: defensive positions even before the prospect of a global trade war. 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: This according to a new study showing British businesses are 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: playing it safe. Bloomberg's Tea Adebayo has more. 74 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 6: Just twelve percent of the UK's chief financial officers think 75 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 6: now as a good time to take more risks. That's 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 6: half the long term average. The data gathered by consulting 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 6: firm Deloitte, was collected in March this year, just before 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: Donald Trump's global tariff program was unleashed. The last time 79 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 6: risk appetite levels were this low, the country was dealing 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 6: with the onset of the COVID pandemic in early twenty twenty. 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 6: It will make sobering reading for Prime Minister Keir Starmer, 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 6: whose Labour government has pledged to speed up economic growth. 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 6: CFOs are also prioritizing cutting costs and predicting a sharp 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 6: hiring decline over the next year. In London, to your 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 6: Adebayo Bloomberg Radio. 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: British officials are raising to find the materials to keep 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: the last steelmaker in the country going after season control 88 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: of the company from its Chinese owners. An emergency session 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: of Parliament gave the government power to run British Steel 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: after talks with its parent company Jinye broke down. Business 91 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: Secretary Jonathan Reynolds says the Chinese FIRN left them with 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: no choice. 93 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 7: In this situation, with the clock being run down, Doing 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 7: nothing was not an option. We could not, will not 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 7: and never will stand idly by while he'd seeps from 96 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 7: the UK's remaining bus furnaces without any planning, any due process, 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 7: or any respect for the consequences. 98 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: Reynolds now faces the challenge of keeping the steel plant open. 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: The business loses seven hundred thousand pounds a day and 100 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: needs raw materials urgently. The saga also raises questions about 101 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 3: the viability of Chinese infrastructure investment in the UK, with 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: the government saying there is now a high trust bar 103 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: going forward. 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: And finally, in sports news, will Ree McElroy has completed 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: a career Grand Slam in golf with his win at 106 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: the US Masters Tournament. He becomes only the sixth man 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: to win all four major golf tournaments. It came down 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: to a sudden death playoff between the Northern Irishmen and 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Justin Rose after McIlroy dragged his paw pot wide. Afterwards, 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: he reflected on what the victory meant to him and 111 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: to his family. 112 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: I want to say hello to my mom and dad. 113 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: They're back home in Northern Ireland. 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 7: And I can't wait to see them next week. 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I just count wit to celebrate this with them. 116 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: Rory mcaroy there, speaking after winning the first Master's playoffs 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen. His win follows fourteen years of attempting 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: to capture the title at Augusta. 119 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: And those are your top stories on the markets today. 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: The Mscish Pacific Index one point seven percent higher, the 121 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: NICKA in Tokyo by almost two percent, and the Hang 122 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: Saying is two point four percent high. The Bloomberg Dollar 123 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: Spot Index is a tenth of one percent weakers. We've 124 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: got the Japanese end three tenths stronger at one forty 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: three eleven against the dollar, and the euro and the 126 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: pound are both slightly stronger against the green back. This morning. 127 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: The tenure treasury yield down two basis points to four 128 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: point four to seven percent. Goal gold hitting a record 129 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: high again today, slightly off the highs, but still three 130 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty dollars a troy outs as we're 131 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: looking at Wall Street futures and eurostocks fifty futures, both higher, 132 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: eurostock fifty futures up by two and a half percent. 133 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: Well in the moment, we'll bring you up to speed 134 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: on the market reaction to Present Trump's latest tariff moves 135 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: over the weekend. Plus we'll dig into the UK government's 136 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: take over of British Seal that also happened. Very busy weekend. 137 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: But something else caught our rye this morning. This is 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: a bit lighter. Maybe the craze for cavia. Apparently cavia 139 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: as a luxury item I worth shelling out for has 140 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: remained pretty resilient over about a century Russian caviat is 141 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: under Western sanctions, but today most caviar imported into the 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: US is actually farmed in China. It's always been kind 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: of a little bit outrageous, but actually the price of 144 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: cavia has been coming. 145 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: Down, yeah, dramatically so because of the increased production out 146 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: of China as well. Our colleague Madison Divershire has been 147 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: writing about how it's become sort of a staple now 148 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: almost of menus in Manhattan certainly US now being asked 149 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: about what did Chinese tariffs after production essentially moved to 150 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: China mean for this item on the menu that gives 151 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: a sense of luxury but has been now almost used everywhere. 152 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: I mean, it's quite funny to get some of the 153 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: commentary from chefs at this piece as well. One of 154 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: them describes it as at the end of the day, 155 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: it's salt. If you everyone see an idea of the 156 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 3: downgrading of caviar in people's minds, just salt. 157 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, absolutely, Well, I suppose the big question is 158 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: whether or not maybe some of that cave I will 159 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: end up in the EU will be diverted anyway, we 160 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: shall see. It's one of those kind of big tariff questions, 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: isn't it. Well, let's get into that and the impact 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: on markets next. 163 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: The dollar declining at the start of this week as 164 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: investors look past the weekend reprieve on tariffs on popular 165 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: consumer electronics and prepare for what could be another wild 166 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: week in markets. Our Markets Live executive editor is trapped 167 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: in and ready for mark code more. Good morning, good 168 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: to talk to you. Let's talk about the tariff tech 169 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: pause first, though, Trump promising more levies on this sector. 170 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: How significant is this prefer markets. 171 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously tarifs are the biggest story, and they're 172 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: going to remain the biggest story. They're not going away. 173 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I think you got to every kind of question marks them. 174 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: We need to look atw different timespans, so on the 175 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: longer term time span, taras are going to be imposed 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: by the US to a level not seen probably in 177 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: about one hundred years, Whether some get removed, some get 178 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: negotiated away, that they will be imposed because he and 179 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: most of the Circle's administration deeply believe in them. Trumpet 180 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: particular has long deeply believed in tarifs and always been 181 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: very clear about this that he thinks this is what's 182 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: needed to kind of restructure US economy. So they're going 183 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: to remain in place. What hasn't worked out, is which 184 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: ones exactly, and that kind of ebb and flower trading 185 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: in the short term. Look, I know that Trump has 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of gone, hey, we're going to impose some conductor 187 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: tariffs again, and that's kind of bad news, and simple 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: are wondering, hey, why are stocks higher? Well, the fact 189 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: is the exemption in the short term, even though it's 190 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: a temporary of you know, the electronics goods from China, 191 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: that's such a massive amount of the China trade that 192 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: you've suddenly kind of taken like a quarter or more 193 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of the risk off of that kind of China US 194 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: trade where the most important part. So I think that 195 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: is a bigger relief in the short term, even though 196 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: people know more taraffs are coming, and they also are 197 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: worried that there's going to probably be more positive headlines 198 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: than the short term. We have the best at meeting 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: in Tokyo later this week. People expect there'll be some 200 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of deal with Japan trade. There will announce some 201 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: kind of headline short term win, and that might provide 202 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: some release. So I think longer term, this story is 203 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: going to stay with us. It's going to stay extremely negative. 204 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: It's extremely negative for US assets. On the short term, 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: I think we're going to get bounce around. I wouldn't 206 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: want to trade that very negative, aggressively negative and narrative 207 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: in the very short term. 208 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about negative the dollar dropping to a 209 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: new twenty twenty five low. Where next as really the 210 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,359 Speaker 2: currency universe has also seen this just massive reset. 211 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, it's going to be a similar type answer. 212 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: And that's because I think we're all traded in the 213 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: same story at the tarffs. But look, the world is 214 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: overexposed to the US dollar still. We've talked to a 215 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: lot about this in this program over the last kind 216 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: of three or four months, and ultimately, the US policies 217 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: are very damaging to holding US assets. For the last 218 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: fifteen or so years, we traded Tina, there is no 219 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: alternative to US megacap tech stocks, and so you know 220 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: of the marginal dollar generated around the world ninety five 221 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: percent which is pouring into kind of US equities, And 222 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: now suddenly people don't want to have exposed US assets 223 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: because they don't know how the rules are going to change, 224 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: and US businesses have an increased cost of business. Again, 225 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: they don't know exactly which cost of business is going 226 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: to increase and how much, but they know it's going 227 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: to get much more expensive to do business. So we're 228 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: eroding the advantage structurally, evrod in the advantage that US 229 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: companies have held, and it's a structural advantage that was 230 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: so deeply embedded that people thought it would never be removed. 231 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: That's the narrative we traded the last fifteen years that 232 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: there was no point playing m there's no point playing 233 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: a China recovery, Europe was never going to kind of 234 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: grow again. All those things have all been shifted. Now 235 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: it's suddenly no, wait a sec. We got way too 236 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: carried away in the US story, so we have to 237 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: get out of the US story. And suddenly people are 238 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: getting more excited about the other options again on a 239 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: structural basis, and that means that over the next couple 240 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: of years, the dollar will continue to decline, but very 241 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: short term, I'm pretty wary about how much it's fallen. 242 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: In the short term. You know, whether it's higher or 243 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: lower in a week, I have no idea. But over 244 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: the next couple of years, it's definitely weakening. 245 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: Okay, this isn't a week as well. We're looking ahead 246 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: to some Central Bank decisions. But I do wonder Mark, 247 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: before we let you go, perhaps are you more excited 248 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: by what we saw from Rory McElroy over the weekend? 249 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, the masters is the big news today. Markets are 250 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: last quiet compared to the last week or so, I 251 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: might actually, Funnily enough, I woke this morning and my 252 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: trader What's up charts had all blown up and I 253 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: welcome about five am Hong Kong time, and I thought, 254 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, something's nuclear has happened in FX markets. 255 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: It must have gone crazy. And I clicked through every 256 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: chart and every single one was just talking about the golf. 257 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Oh, it was an amazing moment, wasn't it. That walk, 258 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: you know, back to getting the cup was amazing? Good self, Mark, 259 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us this morning. 260 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll be speaking to you much more over 261 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: the course of this week. Our Market's Live executive editor 262 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Mark Cudmore or. 263 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: The UK government trying an emergency session of Parliament to 264 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: take control of British Steel this weekend. The company has 265 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: been effectively nationalized after talks with its Chinese owner Jinye 266 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: broke down. Our UK politok supporter of James Wilcock is 267 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: with us now for more Jesus reminded us of the 268 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: background to what got us here. 269 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a very good question, Stephen, because here is 270 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 8: quite special. We've been talking about this government and how 271 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 8: it might need to step in on a range of 272 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 8: industries like Thames Water. Instead it's gonnaur size rail. But 273 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 8: to happen over an emergency sitting a Parliament hasn't been 274 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 8: recorded on the Saturday since nineteen eighty two, the Falklands War. 275 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 8: And then to now be in possession of the last 276 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 8: British steel company in the country, it's incredible And so 277 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 8: you know how we got here though? Is Chinese fum 278 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 8: Jinga acquired British steel back in March ninth, twenty twenty, 279 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 8: and being that specific because obviously that is pre COVID 280 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 8: by a matter of days, it pledged to invest one 281 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 8: point two billion into the company to make it new 282 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 8: and green. And a lot has changed since then, the pandemic, inflation, tariffs, 283 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 8: and so last month it announced a consultation on shutting 284 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 8: the steel works and it being cheaper to just import 285 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 8: the steel from China. That is obviously anathema to a 286 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 8: UK government that has made its industrial strategy all about 287 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 8: keeping steel alive. The UK government offered to pay for 288 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 8: the raw materials. We gather they were crisis talks. We 289 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 8: gathered that it was an offers to finish off the 290 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 8: one point two billion investment with a further half a 291 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 8: billion from the government. However, talks broke down, and the 292 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 8: most striking thing to me coming in on this Monday 293 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 8: is the government over the weekend effectively saying that Jingye 294 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 8: weren't serious and. 295 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: That the was. 296 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 8: They were saying JINGI apparently wanted one billion pounds to 297 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 8: keep this steal what's going and with no guarantee that 298 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 8: the billion pounds would stay for investment in the UK, 299 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 8: which made the government concern the assets would potentially be 300 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 8: leaving the country, and so the government took the step 301 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 8: to say they were going to nationalize it. 302 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: What is Jingye's argument here, Well, if. 303 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 8: You look at British Ste's accounts, the argument's pretty clear, Caroline. 304 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 8: In twenty twenty two, British Steel made a turnover one 305 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 8: point seven billion, but it made a loss of four 306 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 8: hundred million. It made a lost twenty twenty three of 307 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 8: two hundred and thirty one million pounds pre tax. This 308 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 8: is a company British Steel that loses seven hundred thousand 309 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 8: pounds a day. It is just not viable to keep 310 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 8: it going and the business safety chance and acknowledge that 311 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 8: over the weekend where he said the market value of 312 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 8: this firm is zero. So if you're Jinie, what are 313 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 8: you getting out of owning British Steel? 314 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: What does this say, James about the Labor Government's approach 315 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: to its business and industrial strategy. 316 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 8: All around the world, Stephen, people are asking the question 317 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 8: of is globalization working? What does my country need to 318 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 8: be done here? And the UK government has been extremely 319 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 8: clear about its path to gross it needs private investment. 320 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 8: So what this story is so interesting is it's the 321 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 8: first time we're seeing it all tied together. This is 322 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 8: national security, this is the green debate. Both things need steal. 323 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 8: This is also a world which the UK needs to 324 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 8: be able to function, with some of its sectors being 325 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 8: far less productive and competitive, especially the industrial manufacturing ones 326 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 8: than some of its global rivals. If it had lost 327 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 8: British Steel, the UK would have been the only G 328 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 8: seven country without a capacity to produce version steel. So 329 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 8: the stakes are quite clear. What we can now say 330 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 8: is this is a UK government willing to put the 331 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 8: state funding on the line to back these industries, and 332 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 8: that's through it sees for some of these kind of crises. 333 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 8: The question we don't yet know, though, is what the 334 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 8: physical trade off will be. We know this is a 335 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 8: company that loses two hundred and thirty one million pounds 336 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 8: in a year. 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