Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the Right drama Queen's Girl Fashion.
Speaker 1: But you're tough, girls. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
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Speaker 1: I just chairs that's a good way to kick off
Speaker 1: the That is the appropriate reaction. Guys. Wow, we have
Speaker 1: um an emotional roller coaster. Differently in US, there are
Speaker 1: things we learned about our show for the first time.
Speaker 1: There were cringes and cries and and I mean revelations
Speaker 1: honestly in episode twelve crash course, in polite conversation, it
Speaker 1: was a crash, all right. This show aired originally on
Speaker 1: February third, two thousand four. We were into winter shooting
Speaker 1: and my god, it was cold. Um. And and this one,
Speaker 1: if you recall, is about after the last episode where
Speaker 1: Larry comes home and Peyton gets time with her dad.
Speaker 1: In this one, she receives the devastating news that her
Speaker 1: dad is lost at sea, and she and Lucas take
Speaker 1: a trip to Hilton Head, South Carolina to identify a
Speaker 1: body that has washed ashore, which turns into an overnight
Speaker 1: and oh goodness, And if there wasn't enough drama, Nathan's
Speaker 1: grandparents come to town. Don't know, Dev and Dan are separated,
Speaker 1: and secrets start to be spilled. Grandma and Grandpa come
Speaker 1: into town. Was a revelation. Majorly, we learned things we
Speaker 1: did not know majorly pardon the pun, because we had
Speaker 1: major Dad, Gerald McCraney. I didn't I set it up
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know. Wait, I have to say
Speaker 1: how excited I was because I was a huge Major
Speaker 1: Dad fan and he was married to Delta Burk and
Speaker 1: I was a big Designing Women fan, and Jeryl McCraney
Speaker 1: was like a household name in my home growing up.
Speaker 1: And when they told me, and Tess Harper too, by
Speaker 1: the way, um, from Little Girl Lost Remember that movie
Speaker 1: that like lifetime movie in the eighties that everybody watched.
Speaker 1: She is an icon? Yes, Um, So when they told
Speaker 1: me Tess Harper and Jeryld McCraney were playing Nathan's grandparents,
Speaker 1: and then I got to work, I lost my mind.
Speaker 1: I lost my dinner so excited. And the first scene
Speaker 1: when I got to work with him was the dinner party,
Speaker 1: and I just remember walking in and like seeing him
Speaker 1: sitting there at the dental dinner table waiting for our
Speaker 1: blocking rehearsal, and I was just speechless. I was so
Speaker 1: star struck. How was it, like, could he tell that
Speaker 1: you were geeking out? I don't know. I mean he
Speaker 1: was lovely. Both of them were so so sweet and smart,
Speaker 1: and I love just listening to their ideas on the
Speaker 1: scene and hearing the way that they um spoke up
Speaker 1: about their their thoughts on their characters, even though they
Speaker 1: were jumping in as a guest star, which you know
Speaker 1: a lot of younger people when they come in as
Speaker 1: a guest star, they're scared to have ideas on shows
Speaker 1: because we're you know, we're new and we just want
Speaker 1: to get along with everybody. And seeing the way of
Speaker 1: a vet like walks into a room and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm taking up space here. You hired me for a reason.
Speaker 1: I have ideas, let's talk about them. It was like
Speaker 1: so baller um. So anyway, I just loved them. I
Speaker 1: feel like joy as as your friend and Hill I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw this too. There's the shot when
Speaker 1: Haley walks in with Nathan and sees Royal, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's Joy. That is truely losing her mind
Speaker 1: that it's Gerald McCraney. I want to know, like, like
Speaker 1: Joy when they announced the blocking and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Haley sitting next to Royal. Just feel
Speaker 1: like the excitement. Yeah, I can handle that I'm sitting
Speaker 1: next to Major down so cool. So really, but I
Speaker 1: also saw Joy. You empowered as an actress a little
Speaker 1: bit more in this episode through your wardrobe because your
Speaker 1: outfit at that dinner felt like like Haley's had to
Speaker 1: wear a bunch of goofy on this ship, you know,
Speaker 1: and you came to impress your boyfriend's family, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure it helped that you were also like game to
Speaker 1: impress these like totally awesome guest stars. Um, do you
Speaker 1: remember picking that outfit because it is like gorgeous? Thanks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very sort of I guess it was kind
Speaker 1: of sixties that outfit. I I don't remember specifically the fitting,
Speaker 1: although it does make sense to me that it would
Speaker 1: have been. It's the first time we see Haley really
Speaker 1: dressed up for anything, your hands, my hair was curled,
Speaker 1: she had a little extra makeup on. She really went
Speaker 1: out of her way, and I've a vintage vibe on
Speaker 1: Haley makes a lot of sense. And what I liked
Speaker 1: about this too, which you were saying that she's it
Speaker 1: wasn't powering as an actors, but I think it was
Speaker 1: more just that Haley was really getting to Um. I've
Speaker 1: been watching her come into her own over the course
Speaker 1: of the last twelve episodes and seeing that she is
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who she is like we all
Speaker 1: did in high school, and I'm enjoying that journey for her,
Speaker 1: Like do I wear weird hats? Is that who I am?
Speaker 1: Like a dressed up in vintage himes? Like is this
Speaker 1: who I am? You know, just experimenting with all that
Speaker 1: fun stuff that you do in high school. I think
Speaker 1: Hayley really gets to because clearly Peyton and Lucas in
Speaker 1: this storyline are doing all the grown up stuff, like
Speaker 1: all the scandalous grown up stuff. And I think throughout
Speaker 1: at least the beginning of the show the first couple
Speaker 1: of seasons, Haley definitely gets to be sort of the
Speaker 1: stereotypical high school girl that people can relate to in
Speaker 1: that curiously through Haley where it's like Brooke knows who
Speaker 1: she is, Like Brooke is wearing juice suits from A
Speaker 1: to Z. Yeah, you know, she's solid figured it out. Okay.
Speaker 1: It didn't even register with me until you just said
Speaker 1: episode twelve, Like, if this was a show that was
Speaker 1: on air today, this would be the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like nobody goes past twelve episodes really anymore,
Speaker 1: So this would be the cliffhanger where everyone's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. So the fact that we're only
Speaker 1: halfway through season, you've got relieve every I mean, and guys,
Speaker 1: we went on in later seasons to do twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty four. I mean we we did full years
Speaker 1: of shooting. It was so wild and god, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just remember, you know, our whole storyline before you guys
Speaker 1: go on your road trip, He'll evolved around us, you know,
Speaker 1: fixing up your dad's old car. God, and I remember
Speaker 1: when they pulled the cover off that thing. I'm such
Speaker 1: a gearhead, and I was like, oh my god, what's happening.
Speaker 1: I was so and then I had to be like,
Speaker 1: you can fix the starter right, like such a danged
Speaker 1: But I loved I loved seeing that because I had
Speaker 1: such a sense memory of how cold we were. And
Speaker 1: I remember those nights out with that corvette and you
Speaker 1: and I huddled in the car under down jackets trying
Speaker 1: to get warm before they'd take them away and we'd
Speaker 1: have to just like be in our t shirts. Winter
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's what an introduction. We thought, like, it's the
Speaker 1: South South, surely it will be ninety degrees. Um. Wrong,
Speaker 1: It is so wet and so cold in the winter
Speaker 1: because that wind chills brutal. Yeah. I mean you you're
Speaker 1: from Virginia Hill and I was Texas and New Jersey.
Speaker 1: But well, Texas being the South in the winter, I
Speaker 1: knew that it was going to be cold, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you did too from Virginia. But but because it
Speaker 1: was a coastal town and we were on the water,
Speaker 1: it was a different kind of cold. Like all the
Speaker 1: scenes where you can see our love handles, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I really, so, I'm like, can I get a coat
Speaker 1: that covers my ass? Like my body? He goes out
Speaker 1: through my back and my butt, And I just remember
Speaker 1: like that constant fight of can I get a coat?
Speaker 1: That covers my ass. Please a jacket, please place place
Speaker 1: yea myself? Okay, I want to talk about My first
Speaker 1: question in this episode was why do you think Brooke
Speaker 1: so casually backed out and let Peyton and Brooke I
Speaker 1: mean Sarry, Peyton and Lucas go on this road trip
Speaker 1: and not just let, but like volunteered, Like hey, you
Speaker 1: two go ahead and go without any reservation or concern
Speaker 1: or I like, I mean again, I think it's a device.
Speaker 1: Like we talked about how earlier in the season, Brooke
Speaker 1: was made a device for conflict at the party. Um
Speaker 1: in this episode, this road trip is the device. But
Speaker 1: I think what I liked about it because I've been
Speaker 1: clamoring for, you know, her motivation, who she really is,
Speaker 1: why does she behave the way she behaves? And I
Speaker 1: think after the last episode where she says this is
Speaker 1: what I think is happening, I think he's basically dating
Speaker 1: us both uh and Peyton says, no, you need to
Speaker 1: trust yourself. He picked you and I love you. I
Speaker 1: think she's really trying to lean into that. I think
Speaker 1: she's trying to trust her best friend, and I think
Speaker 1: she's trying to trust her boyfriend. And I think as
Speaker 1: we're getting to learn her motivations, she's learning about herself too.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, well, as we watched it, it's
Speaker 1: such a moment of self awareness to say I'm really
Speaker 1: not good in a crisis, and you know, essentially, if
Speaker 1: it's your dad, I'm gonna lose it and you're going
Speaker 1: to have to take care of me. And that's completely inappropriate.
Speaker 1: You know. I was like wow, Like, yeah, I loved
Speaker 1: I loved that she was willing to admit that and
Speaker 1: be honest about her fear and say, like, the thing
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really good at is sitting here
Speaker 1: and answering the phone and holding holding it down like
Speaker 1: I trust you guys. And I think, knowing what was coming,
Speaker 1: I had to lean into it extra because we knew
Speaker 1: that the whole point was we'd get to a betrayal.
Speaker 1: It pains me. I see how inclusive Brook is in
Speaker 1: this episode. It's like, Oh, we're gonna be on a
Speaker 1: date together, Like, let's fend some quality time together fixing
Speaker 1: Peyton's dad's car, you know, like let's go to Peyton's house,
Speaker 1: let's check up on her, let's you know, like she
Speaker 1: got the memo that Peyton was feeling weird. She misinterpreted
Speaker 1: it as like, oh, you're feeling like a third wheel.
Speaker 1: Let me just overcompensate, which is so noble and so
Speaker 1: sweet and so endearing, and like, I did we not
Speaker 1: watch these episodes when we filmed them? I guess not, Guys,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because look, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at the episode, Look how many nights we were shooting.
Speaker 1: We weren't home when these episodes were airing, so we
Speaker 1: wouldn't see them. Your tevo. We had tevo, but I
Speaker 1: would staying were you rich? I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: home and watch the show. I wanted to come and
Speaker 1: watch I Love Lucy or like whatever the new thing
Speaker 1: was that was on, you know, some big fancy show.
Speaker 1: I was sick of I was sick of us because
Speaker 1: I was with us. But all these years later, I'm
Speaker 1: not sick of us now now I can't get enough. No,
Speaker 1: But it's I think we all had these moments in
Speaker 1: this episode where we were like, wait, what oh, I
Speaker 1: mean revelatory. We all missed the dance Scott and Emmo,
Speaker 1: so let's address so Danny when they called when his
Speaker 1: mom shows up calling him Danny at the beginning, of
Speaker 1: this episode and it's Danny's birthday. And then Gerald McRaney
Speaker 1: comes in and checks on Karen, Like, these are all
Speaker 1: things that I don't remember, Like him checking up on
Speaker 1: Karen is indicative of of something really I don't know,
Speaker 1: subversive going on for the last you know, how old
Speaker 1: are the kids? Sixteen years old? Yeah? Maybe wonder like
Speaker 1: has he been helping to pay for Lucas? Has he been?
Speaker 1: I mean, why is he in touch with Karen? And
Speaker 1: he said it's an old friend and he said it sincerely,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was it was It wasn't ominous.
Speaker 1: It was like they actually are in touch. But that
Speaker 1: makes sense for some narcissistic patriarch to be like trying
Speaker 1: to puppet things and pulling strings in all directions too well,
Speaker 1: And I wondered in that moment because Dan and Karen
Speaker 1: were together in high school, so Dan would have been
Speaker 1: living with Royal, Like what kind of a relationship Royal
Speaker 1: had with Karen? Was he mad at Dan for leaving Karen?
Speaker 1: Did he feel like his son slighted this girl? It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's it launched me into a thousand questions. Well,
Speaker 1: he's also like a great looking man, and sometimes great
Speaker 1: looking man just like to be adored. UM. And so
Speaker 1: it makes sense that he would sit next to cute
Speaker 1: little Haley in her cute little sweater at dinner, and
Speaker 1: makes sense that he was probably on friendly terms with
Speaker 1: Karen when she was the cute little girl in a
Speaker 1: cute little sweater. You know, there is that um nostalgia
Speaker 1: that certain people carry because he married his cute little
Speaker 1: wife who probably wore a cute little sweater once. UM.
Speaker 1: And so those kinds of patterns of of I don't
Speaker 1: know muchism makes sense. Yeah. I also I don't know
Speaker 1: that he UM. I was just thinking about what you
Speaker 1: were saying about him being there when Karen and Dan
Speaker 1: were together, and I don't know that he would have
Speaker 1: supported their relationship. UM, I think it. But I could
Speaker 1: see his character encouraging Dan to break up with her,
Speaker 1: but then feeling guilty about it and so like making
Speaker 1: up for it by staying in touch with her and
Speaker 1: trying to pay for Lucas in some way or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do we ever solve this mystery? Does
Speaker 1: it come up in future episodes? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess we're going to have to watch I am realizing though,
Speaker 1: in this moment where I'm like, oh man, this is
Speaker 1: a this is a place where Brick and I are
Speaker 1: really actually so similar that I didn't see then. But
Speaker 1: you being like it's so sweet and noble. She's trying
Speaker 1: to include her, and I'm like, what do you do
Speaker 1: you think he would have been so mad at his
Speaker 1: son for being a bad guy, And I'm like, god,
Speaker 1: damn it, this is why I just this is why
Speaker 1: I've gotten myself into so much trouble because I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it has to be the best version of the situation.
Speaker 1: Everybody's being nice and you are an eternal optimist. That
Speaker 1: is real life, just like, oh no, his intentions are
Speaker 1: totally pure. This person is being sweet. Damn it. It's
Speaker 1: striking that they cast someone that looks enough like Barbara.
Speaker 1: You know, Tess and Barbara have a very similar style
Speaker 1: in this show, and it makes sense that when faced
Speaker 1: with a choice, Danny Um goes with the girl that
Speaker 1: looks like his mom, especially if he's trying to win
Speaker 1: his dad's approval and similar personalities too. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you slack a Southern accent on Barb, you've got there's
Speaker 1: a there's a pretty similar vibe going on there, tough,
Speaker 1: tough lady. Yeah, it's true. It was also a very
Speaker 1: cool choice I think on the on the part of
Speaker 1: both our hair and makeup, to partners and wardrobe to
Speaker 1: style them in the same way. The morning after the
Speaker 1: big dinner, they're both in the kitchen wearing these like
Speaker 1: eggplant purple shirts. Do we think it was on purpose? Though? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Remember we had such limited resources,
Speaker 1: and season one we had limited resources. But guys, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember all the way back to the beginning, there
Speaker 1: were very conscious conversations about the colors that people were
Speaker 1: put in. I wore a lot of black and red
Speaker 1: and bold colors because Brooke was like a bad girl
Speaker 1: Hill if you notice, like you, you were wearing a
Speaker 1: lot of white and black and and that like sage green,
Speaker 1: and they would always put Chad. They'd always put Chad
Speaker 1: in that blue version of a sage green. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that's called. It's like a cadet blue and
Speaker 1: the heather blue there it is. And like so there
Speaker 1: were all these choices about what the colors that the
Speaker 1: characters were wearing represented, and then they put Joy in
Speaker 1: like everything color all the same time, you were like
Speaker 1: a color wheel exactly, every leftover color goes on joy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do. I think it was on purpose.
Speaker 1: And and like you said, even when you see them
Speaker 1: at the dinner party, they kind of blew out Barbara's
Speaker 1: hair to be a little fuller like Tessa's hair, you know.
Speaker 1: Um so that Mrs Scott Sr. And Mrs Scott Jr.
Speaker 1: Look very very alike. I thought that was really smart.
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Speaker 1: live dot com. Let's get lucky. I loved seeing Dan
Speaker 1: as a teenage boy, and I really thought Paul did
Speaker 1: a nice job making those choices and how quickly he
Speaker 1: switched from big, alpha tough guy into submissive teenage boys
Speaker 1: as soon as his dad showed up. And even at
Speaker 1: the dinner table, like when Barbe was sorry, deb was
Speaker 1: talking and uh, he just looked at her and gave
Speaker 1: her this look with like wide eyes and then like look,
Speaker 1: just Karen, come, my dad's gonna So sweet but really
Speaker 1: good performance that was so sharp. Paul turned in an
Speaker 1: extraordinary performance in this episode, given he was also really
Speaker 1: ill and he got He got super sick during this
Speaker 1: episode during that dinner party, and no one would not
Speaker 1: like we even forgot because his performance is so strong,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait a second, they had to
Speaker 1: shoot this scene really weird because Paul had to go
Speaker 1: to the hospital and too. I don't know, he's just
Speaker 1: he's able to focus in a way that's really respectable,
Speaker 1: and I would you know, I think that's why they
Speaker 1: threw in that line at the beginning of the dinner
Speaker 1: party scene. Did you hear tests say you don't you
Speaker 1: look sick, Danny? Which could just be like, oh, your
Speaker 1: dad's here and you're stressed out. But I also think
Speaker 1: part of it was coverage because he was like sweating profuse.
Speaker 1: He just used it. Um, that's acting, kids, We're just
Speaker 1: getting a trooper. He is nothing if not professional, and
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that he can push through, and
Speaker 1: he's like refuses to take anyone's pity kind of about him,
Speaker 1: and because he's such a bear, but he's so tender.
Speaker 1: There's like nothing better than being protected by Paul Johanssen.
Speaker 1: This is so lovely and so in the moment where
Speaker 1: he needed support. Um, I think it's so sweet that
Speaker 1: the whole crew and all of you guys who were
Speaker 1: in that scene really stepped up to make sure you
Speaker 1: could shoot him out and he could go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is the reality of our job.
Speaker 1: It kind of doesn't matter if you're sick. You've got
Speaker 1: to get the shots, and that can be really detrimental
Speaker 1: to people. And so you know, you guys doing the
Speaker 1: wide shots that included everyone, and then doing all of
Speaker 1: Paul's coverage, and then having Jim who worked in the
Speaker 1: prop department, was it then? Was it Craig? Who's it
Speaker 1: in for him? Do you remember? I feel like there
Speaker 1: was Jim Nelson. I think it was Jim Nelson. And
Speaker 1: just the thought that you know, everyone would do that
Speaker 1: is I really think it speaks to the sort of
Speaker 1: generosity of spirit of of our crew. Yeah, at this point,
Speaker 1: this was the last episode we shot before Christmas break Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then we all took off for like three weeks
Speaker 1: or a month and came back and Paul was better,
Speaker 1: and it was like, I thank god, but no one
Speaker 1: really knew how sick he'd been. Um, it was kind
Speaker 1: of a revelation when we came back in January, which
Speaker 1: makes it even more interesting to watch this episode and
Speaker 1: be like, he just knocked it out. I mean, and
Speaker 1: even the scenes, obviously, the dinner scenes are so a
Speaker 1: impressive because of his performance and be extra impressive because
Speaker 1: you know what he was dealing with. But that scene
Speaker 1: in the dealership when Gerald Royal, Dan's dad comes in
Speaker 1: and starts kind of riding him and jabbing at him
Speaker 1: with his accomplishments in front of the customer, and then
Speaker 1: you know, punches him and says, oh look you're still fit.
Speaker 1: You go, oh my god. This is who Dan is
Speaker 1: with Nathan, and it's who Royal is with Dan, and
Speaker 1: you realize these relationships have just generationally mirrored, and it's
Speaker 1: like a big revelation for Nathan to to to be
Speaker 1: experience that in that like real time, to hear that
Speaker 1: come to light like that. I wrote this line down
Speaker 1: Joy because it was my favorite line of the episode
Speaker 1: when Nathan's apologizing that Haley like witnessed all that at
Speaker 1: the dinner and Haley says, it's okay. It helped me
Speaker 1: understand you, like, burying witness to someone else's mess is
Speaker 1: the most intimate thing you can do, because without having
Speaker 1: to discuss it to death, you understand the person so
Speaker 1: much more. And Haley being the one person that can
Speaker 1: bear witness to what Nathan's going through is so sweet.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all watched each other in real life
Speaker 1: deal with some like terribly messy things, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why we're friends twenty years later, you know. Haley also,
Speaker 1: uh had my favorite line of the episode because Nathan
Speaker 1: goes because she says, you know, now you know the truth,
Speaker 1: and Nathan goes, yeah, but I just don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with it, and Haley goes, okay, okay, perfect.
Speaker 1: So like, also, how how impressive, how good at boundaries?
Speaker 1: She is just like, okay, well, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do my life now. She had
Speaker 1: a curfew. Man, She's like, look, my parents are gonna
Speaker 1: start flipping the porch light and like, no codependence here,
Speaker 1: Like she just showed up. She was at the dinner party, like, oh,
Speaker 1: his knees are great. Yeah, like speaking up, trying to
Speaker 1: like help everybody be fine, and then it goes take
Speaker 1: some you know, he drops her off home and yeah, well, good,
Speaker 1: good luck with your problem. I'm thank you for allowing
Speaker 1: me to and it's that and you know, hope that
Speaker 1: goes well for you can let me know how it
Speaker 1: works out. Wow, I mean, is that just like having
Speaker 1: being a part of a really big family that you
Speaker 1: naturally I mean because I am an only child and
Speaker 1: I have no experience with that. That's so foreign to
Speaker 1: me that a young woman would be that confident and
Speaker 1: have those boundaries. Yeah, I mean, I'm not that person.
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's like, cool, let's sit here on
Speaker 1: the porch for three hours while you dug it out.
Speaker 1: You know. I know it's four in the morning and
Speaker 1: I have to do something early, but like, let yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: what do it? What else do you need? Yeah? Same?
Speaker 1: Who knew that we should have been taking lessons from
Speaker 1: the Haley playbook and steading boundaries for ourselves. Girls. Okay,
Speaker 1: we all need to get okay tattooed and kiss here.
Speaker 1: That killed me because you go okay, and then you
Speaker 1: give him a kiss, like on this funny side part
Speaker 1: of the mouth face kissing. You gave him like and
Speaker 1: then you walked away, and I was like, God, it's delicious.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you think in this moment? Do you
Speaker 1: think in this moment that Haley is like reconsidering, She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's like three bad generations of this. Do I want
Speaker 1: to be? I think that's a legitimate question. That's that's
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I thought of that
Speaker 1: in the moment, But if I were Haley now, I
Speaker 1: certainly would be thinking, well, I think as adult women,
Speaker 1: we can't help but think about that now, because we're
Speaker 1: old enough that we've we've looked at our young selves,
Speaker 1: why we were the way we were, what we carried,
Speaker 1: what we learned consciously and unconsciously, like we can therafy.
Speaker 1: And now they're like, well, you know, she's looking at
Speaker 1: this generational inherited bullshit, wondering if she's going to be
Speaker 1: dep Scott. It's like, maybe she wasn't when she was sixteen,
Speaker 1: but we are in this moment um Peyton doesn't have
Speaker 1: a generational thing to look to, and so I think
Speaker 1: that is this episode was really difficult for me because
Speaker 1: I felt like Peyton had already had to deal with
Speaker 1: so many of these like major traumatic like sad things.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole you know, my mom is dead
Speaker 1: and now my best friend's kissing his boy, and like
Speaker 1: every episode he gets bigger and bigger and bigger with
Speaker 1: the Peyton trauma. And so when I got the script,
Speaker 1: it was like, my dad is what now? Like what
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced in real life, like a major, like
Speaker 1: panic inducing loss like that, um, like my pastor had
Speaker 1: passed away, you know, and that was someone who I
Speaker 1: really respected a lot, but it wasn't my dad, um.
Speaker 1: And so I was just like, is this just to
Speaker 1: give me to cry again? Like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how many times I can do this, because you
Speaker 1: feel like you're going to run out of AMMO or
Speaker 1: run out of steam if you just do it every
Speaker 1: single episode. And so that that whole thing was so
Speaker 1: hard because in between scenes, Sophie and Chad could be
Speaker 1: like fun, you know, like you guys can be having fun,
Speaker 1: and I would have to just like sit in a
Speaker 1: corner and like Altyd's and you know, and sad songs
Speaker 1: and try to stay sad. Oh. I thought you made
Speaker 1: a really interesting choice in this episode actually as an actor,
Speaker 1: because you had been doing so many, so many episodes
Speaker 1: um sullen and depressed and struggling and um, and that's
Speaker 1: what was written for you, so that's what you were doing.
Speaker 1: And in this episode you leaned into the vulnerability and
Speaker 1: it softened you and there was even though you were sad,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the kind of sad that we've been watching
Speaker 1: you do it was. It was it was a much
Speaker 1: softer little girl vulnerable um warm. It was like really
Speaker 1: seeing Peyton warm, I think for the first time, the
Speaker 1: whole redemption thing. They're like, everyone hates you, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take away your dead now. What I thought was so interesting, though,
Speaker 1: is that in the last episode, I felt like we
Speaker 1: started to see you that way. There was something so
Speaker 1: beautiful about Larry Peyton's dad coming in and we got
Speaker 1: to see you be this little girl and and really
Speaker 1: feel her being sixteen. And and what it led me
Speaker 1: to see or believe was that this girl who's sixteen,
Speaker 1: who lives alone, the angst that teenager's experience could also
Speaker 1: be armored for Peyton. This girl kind of there alone
Speaker 1: in the world, and then as soon as her dad
Speaker 1: came back, she got to soften. Exactly what Joy is saying.
Speaker 1: It was so tender and sweet. I remember having a
Speaker 1: thought during this being like, God, that's why I think
Speaker 1: they leaned into like Peyton in pain, because the way
Speaker 1: you played it was so genuine and beautiful and it
Speaker 1: made me love you so much. And and so I
Speaker 1: think that they took that moment and and really made
Speaker 1: this new freedom, this new emotional vulnerability, this this young girl.
Speaker 1: They were like, and maybe we'll take it all away.
Speaker 1: And as an audience member, I mean I did this
Speaker 1: episode with you, and watching it now, it wounded me
Speaker 1: so much, thinking like, please don't hurt this little girl
Speaker 1: that you guys are both being incredibly generous. Thank you,
Speaker 1: But um, the thing that's really hard for me in
Speaker 1: this episode is that, yes, like we were trying to
Speaker 1: age Peyton down right and show like this is a kid.
Speaker 1: She's just a kid, you know, because a kid that
Speaker 1: lives alone and like, but then to take it from
Speaker 1: like this is a kid too. Now we're gonna do
Speaker 1: some sexy time stuff. Make it makes sense. Oh now
Speaker 1: I just almost split water out of my, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: We were all like mouths agape, just watching this, Like
Speaker 1: she finds the she goes back to the motel, finds
Speaker 1: the bracelet, and I couldn't foundom because I didn't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what was going to happen. So I
Speaker 1: was like, why are they Why are they going back
Speaker 1: to this motel? I mean, I loved that set. That
Speaker 1: was a beautiful set, but I just don't figure out, like,
Speaker 1: for what reason did they make her have the bracelet
Speaker 1: back in the motel? It seems like such a strange
Speaker 1: scene choice. Okay, should find a bracelet. She's sad, like,
Speaker 1: all right, we never see the bracelet again. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's taking a shirt off and
Speaker 1: he's looking at you like, and it was so cross.
Speaker 1: It started in the fittings because I was just I
Speaker 1: was like, what, No, he's gonna take your shirt off?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to do the dad,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep a tank top on, right, And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, finely, Chad take his shirt off. You know,
Speaker 1: for as much complaining as I've done about us having
Speaker 1: to like naked, the boys, also, how do you make
Speaker 1: it all the time. Um, so you know it was fair. Um,
Speaker 1: but I was like, no, I'm going to wear a
Speaker 1: tank top. So Chad trying to figure out which layer
Speaker 1: to grab because I'm actually wearing three shirts. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to figure that out with a big
Speaker 1: pain in the ass. But the way they described it
Speaker 1: to me to make it makes sense still doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense to me. I think they knew that Sandra
Speaker 1: Bullock was my hero. She's always been my hero. We're
Speaker 1: from Northern Virginia. Like I remember like reading Good Housekeeping
Speaker 1: as a kid because she was on the cover and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I just let her so much.
Speaker 1: And I was told that this was like the movie Speed,
Speaker 1: where you've been through this traumatic thing with someone and
Speaker 1: there's so much pent up angst that you can't help
Speaker 1: but fall into each other's arms at the end of it.
Speaker 1: And as a twenty one year old, I was like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it took a lot of convincing.
Speaker 1: As an almost fourty year old, I'm like, bullshit, would
Speaker 1: have had a bad day. Don't touch me. Something of
Speaker 1: a shake, yeah, hard pass. I'm Keith Scott just with
Speaker 1: like the glass of brown liquor, just like no one
Speaker 1: talked to me. Speed is like full of adrenaline that
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna you know, it's like the release
Speaker 1: of all the adrenaline that's not the grief of pulling
Speaker 1: the back a sheet on a course and thinking it
Speaker 1: might be your parents. By the way, even though it's
Speaker 1: not your parents, you just looked at a dead body
Speaker 1: like I can't think of anything grosser. And by the way,
Speaker 1: this person bury this plotline was one of your dad's coworkers. Yeah, yeah, right, like, hello,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Never never acknowledged again how long it had
Speaker 1: been in the water. I mean, it's just so inappropriate
Speaker 1: on writing on that one. I think they could I
Speaker 1: think they definitely could have done better. We need Peyton
Speaker 1: and Lucas to kiss again. How do we make it
Speaker 1: even crazier than the last time? But look, you never
Speaker 1: know what's going on the writer's room, because they could
Speaker 1: have had a completely different plan, and that you know
Speaker 1: how sometimes the rewrites would come in or whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember how far in advance you
Speaker 1: had this, but it's totally possible they had a different
Speaker 1: plan and then they got you know, Gossip Girl did
Speaker 1: something scandalous, got a bunch of ratings, and then the
Speaker 1: network called and was like, we need more sex in
Speaker 1: this episode, and then you know, somebody was forced to
Speaker 1: make it up. So, you know, in the defense of
Speaker 1: some of the writers in the room, you never quite
Speaker 1: know what's going on or where it's coming from. And
Speaker 1: I will say too, that's a great point, Joy, because
Speaker 1: a lot of our writers were young, a lot of
Speaker 1: our writers didn't have, you know, tons of experience on
Speaker 1: other shows. And I think there is something really interesting
Speaker 1: about even how they explained it to you Hill. This
Speaker 1: is not an uncommon device on screen to people have
Speaker 1: this really intense emotional experience and then they hook up.
Speaker 1: It's like, why there's slut cops in every TV show.
Speaker 1: Slut Cops is the name of of a TV show
Speaker 1: I want to do, right, because let's let's come down
Speaker 1: to it, so you know this, catch some bad guys
Speaker 1: and them gonna lick your face. Yeah, okay, it's the
Speaker 1: idea that a woman the idea that a woman processes
Speaker 1: trauma through her sexuality is not something that I necessarily
Speaker 1: align with, but maybe some people do. You know, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody has different experiences expressions like sure, I bet we
Speaker 1: could have a really interesting conversation with some women about this.
Speaker 1: I I'm more in your camp where I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: had a really bad day. I either want the world's
Speaker 1: most platonic hug, even if it's from my partner, or
Speaker 1: I want to be left alone and get under a
Speaker 1: gravity blanket and then be like, know this hugs me
Speaker 1: and no one else talk to me. Girl, gravity blanket
Speaker 1: sounds pleasing, I think, Well, the reason it felt out
Speaker 1: of place to me is because, um, when I want
Speaker 1: comfort is when I'm feeling trauma, Like I need comfort
Speaker 1: because something's wrong. But in this episode everything had kind
Speaker 1: of just been fixed, like she you know, everything's okay now,
Speaker 1: So it felt like it just felt like a bad
Speaker 1: timing to me. It would have made way more sense
Speaker 1: in the room the night before for her to be
Speaker 1: crying for him to be comforting her. She rolls over
Speaker 1: like it's just a hug, and then it just sort
Speaker 1: of happens in bed like that feels much more of
Speaker 1: a natural transition rather than like everything's better now. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to do a bait and switch,
Speaker 1: like they wanted people to think it was going to
Speaker 1: happen that night, and then it didn't, and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're in the clear, and then it was like supposed
Speaker 1: to be a sneak attack. Um. I think this episode
Speaker 1: was really well written for all the Dan Scott stuff. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, like Peyton constantly being faced
Speaker 1: with trauma is like a hard line to walk, but okay,
Speaker 1: we're walking it and we're getting through it. Some people
Speaker 1: are cursed, she's a cursed human. Um, it's just the
Speaker 1: let's let's make her younger to then have her do
Speaker 1: some like much older stuff and shoot it in a
Speaker 1: way that is kind of graphic. Um. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not graphics for Cable, but if these were real life
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds playing these parts, you couldn't do that way.
Speaker 1: It'd be so it'd be very, very frowned upon. Um.
Speaker 1: So it just feels weird that people want to see
Speaker 1: pretend sixteen year olds get down. I don't want to
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds aren't sixteen. I know. My favorite part
Speaker 1: of that was when your hair got stuck on his necklace.
Speaker 1: That was like, that's real. How can we awkward this up?
Speaker 1: I leaned into the awkward of that for sure, but
Speaker 1: that was great and I will I don't know thinking
Speaker 1: about it, I get the device. It does work. The
Speaker 1: point is that there's a connection between these people and
Speaker 1: that figuring out, you know, love and relationships at sixteen
Speaker 1: is really messy. And there was no reason you had
Speaker 1: to pull your clothes off. You could have just been
Speaker 1: making out. That's bad enough, right, It's bad enough. It's that,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it multiple times. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's what initially came in, and they're like, let's turn
Speaker 1: it up to eleven, let's add a Brooke pervert comment.
Speaker 1: Let's know, we're gonna put Haley in ahead, and then
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Speaker 1: remember your like, you know, when you're first in high
Speaker 1: school and you're starting to make out with boys and stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you remember how awkward it was though, and how
Speaker 1: like you didn't know what You're trying to kind of
Speaker 1: copy the things you saw in the movie and shows
Speaker 1: like ours, But you know it always felt so I mean, gosh,
Speaker 1: I remember one of my first French kisses. I think
Speaker 1: it was my first French kiss. I it was this
Speaker 1: really rich boy in our neighborhood. I was kind of
Speaker 1: like the poor girl from the wrong side of the tracks,
Speaker 1: Like my house is across the street from the highway
Speaker 1: and like directly, um, you know, And but there was
Speaker 1: this boy my neighborhood that lived in Upper Saddle River,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, within walking distance of where
Speaker 1: I was in Walton, New Jersey. And you're making it
Speaker 1: sound like pretty in pink like Andy well he um,
Speaker 1: he took me out a date to the Bubble Lounge,
Speaker 1: and I was seventeen. He took me the Bubble Lounge
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. He like had a car that drove us there,
Speaker 1: like if they had a driver. Sorry, I'm going I'm
Speaker 1: going way off. But anyway, that was And then we
Speaker 1: got into the Champagne Lounge and like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my, that was the first time I was ever drunk.
Speaker 1: You know. I drank two glasses of champagne and one
Speaker 1: sitting thinking I don't feel anything, and then I stood
Speaker 1: up in the whole room just like shifted into place,
Speaker 1: turned my but um, sorry, I'm digressing, but anyway, I
Speaker 1: want to know everything. And then the next day or another,
Speaker 1: the next week or something whatever, when we hung out again.
Speaker 1: We were hanging out in his basement and there was
Speaker 1: a game show on TV. I think was Jeopardy or something,
Speaker 1: and he were sitting on the couch and he starts
Speaker 1: to kiss me, and um, he he like was like
Speaker 1: kissing all around, like like all around my mouth. It
Speaker 1: was like your face face. It was like a whole
Speaker 1: face kiss, and you know it was sweet boy. I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we were doing, but I definitely
Speaker 1: was like I think whatever we're doing. This isn't it
Speaker 1: tell us his name later because I need to google
Speaker 1: this person. But um, but I just remember now looking
Speaker 1: back at that, I'm going, just gosh, it was so awkward.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know what you're doing. You're just trying,
Speaker 1: like this is what we do. We just mash our
Speaker 1: faces together. I don't know, you know so sweet. I
Speaker 1: remember like I was a very late bloomer and I
Speaker 1: didn't start kissing until very late in the game. And
Speaker 1: then once I did, right uh, like senior year, summer
Speaker 1: summer after senior year. I remember it being like a
Speaker 1: great thrill to teach boys who hadn't kissed anyone really
Speaker 1: how to do it. Like that was like a thing
Speaker 1: where I was like, I am going to educate some
Speaker 1: boys so that we go off into the world and
Speaker 1: make it a happier, gentler boy. Yeah. I loved. I
Speaker 1: loved being like, let's slow this down, come on gently,
Speaker 1: You've done your duty to for society. That's it, undone.
Speaker 1: I put my time in. Congratulations girls, you're welcome. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen luck. I learned a kiss from
Speaker 1: a good kisser. I mean that's a that's a nice thing.
Speaker 1: To be able to look back and say, I think
Speaker 1: some of the kissing on this show was not my
Speaker 1: finest work because I was so scared that there's like
Speaker 1: a camera right there, you know, and it's like these
Speaker 1: these first season kisses were my first time ever ever
Speaker 1: doing that, like without actually kissing. It's like a fake kiss,
Speaker 1: you know, so you're there's no tongue, and your natural
Speaker 1: like muscle memory is to like kiss with tongue because
Speaker 1: that's what you've been doing. And so in this so weird,
Speaker 1: it's like guppies, man, your life just guppies, like, you know.
Speaker 1: It was so gross and weird. I was doing a pilot.
Speaker 1: I played Paul Sorvino's daughter in a pilot when I
Speaker 1: was fourteen, and it was called burning Down the House
Speaker 1: or something before the movie with Steve Martin came out,
Speaker 1: and my character of Paul Orvino had three daughters, and
Speaker 1: my character had to make out with a boy on
Speaker 1: the couch for like a whole scene while someone else
Speaker 1: is talking, you know. So it's a sitcom. So the
Speaker 1: other person is talking and they keep looking back at
Speaker 1: us and we're just like still you know, mashing each
Speaker 1: other's snogging. So you were fourteen. I was fourteen. I
Speaker 1: might have been fifteen, but it was I mean, I
Speaker 1: was young, and I was supposed to play this teenager
Speaker 1: and the girl um Gina, oh gosh, I can't remember
Speaker 1: her last name, but she was so lovely and she
Speaker 1: played my older sister. And I remember just sitting down
Speaker 1: with her because we had done the blocking rehearsal. But
Speaker 1: you don't really kiss in blocking her. You're not supposed
Speaker 1: to kiss and blocking hers and supposed to and you
Speaker 1: just sort of like lean in and like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're here, we're here. You put your faces side by
Speaker 1: side exactly. Thank you do a little cheek touch, cheek
Speaker 1: to cheek. Um. But I I sat down next to her.
Speaker 1: I went to her dressing remember knocking on her door
Speaker 1: and being like, I've never done it on camera, kiss before.
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do? And Gina was so sweet. I'm
Speaker 1: going to look up her last name. I don't know
Speaker 1: why it's escaping me. It's my bad memory. Um, but
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, no problem. She she sat me
Speaker 1: down and she just walked me through all of it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like you want to open
Speaker 1: your mouth and and just press it up against each other,
Speaker 1: and you and you sort of like get each other
Speaker 1: catch each other's lips a little bit, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to put your tongue in each other's mouth, so
Speaker 1: it just you want to make it look like you're
Speaker 1: French kissing, but you're not. Actually, Um, she was really sweet.
Speaker 1: So that's how I that's what I learned to do. Listen.
Speaker 1: We all have to learn from somebody. Um. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it is an awkward thing to watch back in retro.
Speaker 1: It's so uncomfortable. I will say nothing gives me a
Speaker 1: greater giggle than when the three of us are on
Speaker 1: these zooms together and kissing scenes come up for any
Speaker 1: of us all just like cringing and covering our faces
Speaker 1: with our hands, like we're so horrified. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I find it funny. Hill. She did a movie with Jeff.
Speaker 1: It was like some horror movie in a cabin with
Speaker 1: Eric Palladino, and I'm pretty sure Jeff was in it. Well,
Speaker 1: then I'm pretty sure Jeff kissed her too. Because guys,
Speaker 1: we have some listener questions, and I really feel like
Speaker 1: I need to ask Samantha's question to the group because
Speaker 1: it's about this. She says, how do you separate acting
Speaker 1: feelings from real ones? For example, with Nathan and Haley,
Speaker 1: the chemistry and love you feel coming from you throughout
Speaker 1: the whole show is crazy. Did it ever get confusing
Speaker 1: in real life? I'm gonna go ahead and tack on
Speaker 1: a reference to earlier in the show when we were
Speaker 1: talking about the palpable chemistry between Deb Scott and Keith.
Speaker 1: Scott and Craig have such good chemistry, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think this is actually really a good question, So
Speaker 1: Joy take it away. Gina Phillips. By the way, Gina Phillips, Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean that's why location ships start. Location ships.
Speaker 1: That's a word. Yeah, shut up. It's like the most common.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at every all of our favorite people
Speaker 1: on all of our favorite shows and in some of
Speaker 1: our favorite films have all dated each other. I mean
Speaker 1: I loved, Oh my god, Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling
Speaker 1: when they were remember when they kissed on stage at
Speaker 1: they from TV Awards and we were like, the notebook
Speaker 1: is real real? You know it? Yeah, I mean we've
Speaker 1: all we've all had our versions of that personally, I
Speaker 1: feel that the more friction I have with someone off camera,
Speaker 1: the better it reads on camera. Um. Look, everyone knows
Speaker 1: Chad and I in season one were like, you know,
Speaker 1: two budding heads. We didn't necessarily agree on anything, and
Speaker 1: we grew to get along. But in season one, because
Speaker 1: our characters were so being thrust together, and I was
Speaker 1: aware of the want for it to be really like
Speaker 1: people want to think it's real, and so I was
Speaker 1: overcompensating for that, and so i'd be real with Chad.
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, for Samantha and so many other people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our our job is to create this real world, this
Speaker 1: real chemistry, and I think, you know, sometimes it turns
Speaker 1: into something that's actually real in real life. Again, I
Speaker 1: will never get over Rachel McAdams and Ryan Bawsin kissing
Speaker 1: at the MTV Awards noon. I loved it. I was
Speaker 1: in a book fan. I loved that relationship. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously not attached to it. It's no longer
Speaker 1: a thing. But I do think it is funny man
Speaker 1: to know sometimes people who have amazing on screen chemistry
Speaker 1: who actually hated each other vice versa. I've seen people
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you guys have ever seen this.
Speaker 1: I've seen real life couples try to act together and
Speaker 1: their chemistry on screen is so flat, And I think
Speaker 1: nothing is funnier because in life I'm like, no, you
Speaker 1: guys are cute, but when you when there's a camera,
Speaker 1: you get really awkward and you lose it. Joe and
Speaker 1: I just did the Here's Nigan episode for the Walking Down.
Speaker 1: I had night years about it, like I would like
Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night in the
Speaker 1: weeks leading up to shooting that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what if it goes wrong, Like what
Speaker 1: if it's bad? And instead we had the best time
Speaker 1: ever and it was like super fun. But boy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, like leading up to it, and he
Speaker 1: also had like, you know, been excited about it publicly
Speaker 1: like oh, my wife is coming to work to play
Speaker 1: and like then I think it dawned on him like,
Speaker 1: oh no, if this is bad, we've never done it before.
Speaker 1: And so now to Samantha's point, um, it feels really
Speaker 1: nice to work with someone who I don't there's like
Speaker 1: not a boundary, you know what, you can be as
Speaker 1: like whatever as you want to be, and so like
Speaker 1: being able to really kiss your spouse when you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be in a kissing scene. It's like you were
Speaker 1: getting a wake something that's fun. Yeah, it snuck up
Speaker 1: and it was really fun. So yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: gamble man. There are some actors out there. Some people
Speaker 1: can create chemistry with anyone. Yeah, and other people it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how good looking they are. There's something about
Speaker 1: this your own personal the things that you're attracted to
Speaker 1: in other humans, and it's friendship chemistry as well. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know you just can't it's hard to force it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know what it is joy You've talked about. It's
Speaker 1: the listening. Listening as an actor makes you a better
Speaker 1: lover and it makes you a better friend on camera.
Speaker 1: And I think that is the difference. And so some
Speaker 1: of these scenes where like we just kind of smashed
Speaker 1: together and there isn't like a dialogue before, Like Sophia,
Speaker 1: you and like just you know, broken Lucas have had
Speaker 1: some like talks and then a kiss, and then Haley
Speaker 1: and Nathan have had some talks and then it kiss
Speaker 1: and like pace just like headbutting people really without any
Speaker 1: kind of conversation. So it feels a little I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. It does get confusing, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think especially when you work with somebody that long.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me with James. James and I always
Speaker 1: got on really well, but he was a lot younger
Speaker 1: than me, and I just didn't really occur to me
Speaker 1: to have personal romantic feelings for him. Um. But as
Speaker 1: a show went on, and the more time we spend together,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would totally have like a romantic dream
Speaker 1: about him and wake up and be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: that was interesting. We're kissing all day, We're like make
Speaker 1: it out and we're like being all lovey dovey. Of
Speaker 1: course it's going to work your way into its way
Speaker 1: to wage your subconscious Um. But no, but you know,
Speaker 1: we never ever got together in real life, and that's
Speaker 1: honestly probably what kept the chemistry alive on screen for
Speaker 1: so long too. Yeah, boundaries are important, they are you
Speaker 1: need that yearning? Um? Sweet, Do we have any other
Speaker 1: questions we want to hit before we do? Most likely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well let's see we have corn asking when do you
Speaker 1: think the series concept changed from Ravens to ot to one?
Speaker 1: What was the season promo? Was the season one promo
Speaker 1: photo shoot? Awkward and at what point did you begin
Speaker 1: to feel like actual friends and not just coworkers. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of questions here, Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Well it changed. It changed after we shot the pilot.
Speaker 1: Think yeah, well it was just the title. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the concept. It was just the title. It changed a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean it went from being it was
Speaker 1: the way it was pitched, and we've talked about this
Speaker 1: was it was supposed to be like eight Mile with
Speaker 1: like the Boy from the Wrong Side of the Tracks,
Speaker 1: just to be like, you know, very gritty drama kind
Speaker 1: of thing. All the sexy stuff came in as a
Speaker 1: direct result of this summer launch of the o C
Speaker 1: because it was a smash hit. I mean it was
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere, and so we were told, okay, we'll match that. Um.
Speaker 1: But by the way, I don't know that that's a
Speaker 1: bad thing, because all of a sudden, the female characters
Speaker 1: got a much bigger piece of the pie, and you know,
Speaker 1: screen time and stuff like that. It's great, give me more,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah. Uh. Season one promo shoot photo shoot. Oh,
Speaker 1: the one where we were laying on each other. I
Speaker 1: was like, is that really put us in the bed? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was on set. We filmed that, and we shot
Speaker 1: that on a stage. Photo shoots are always awkward at
Speaker 1: I mean, at that age, it was always awkward because
Speaker 1: if we were all just we wanted to look great,
Speaker 1: and we were all sort of you know, all this
Speaker 1: sort of pitting us against each other was happening. Plus
Speaker 1: just the natural, uh sense of insecurity and jealous that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of women feel with young girls
Speaker 1: feel with each other. And we're in an environment where
Speaker 1: we were always being compared to each other, and so
Speaker 1: I think photo shoots definitely got weird in the beginning.
Speaker 1: I think we eased up after a while, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a little weird. Plus laying everybody on top
Speaker 1: of each other and being like who we ripping off
Speaker 1: with that photo shoot. There was another show friends had done,
Speaker 1: like the cover of Rolling Stone or something, all of
Speaker 1: them in a bed, and so we did it, and
Speaker 1: then Gossip Girl did it after us, like everyone has done.
Speaker 1: Every has that. It's so funny and my actual favorite
Speaker 1: part of season one was that them to kind of
Speaker 1: tease us. All the grown ups did it, so Barbara
Speaker 1: and Paul and Barry and Craig. It was genius. So
Speaker 1: they copied it, and so then there were two posters.
Speaker 1: We need to post those, we need to on our
Speaker 1: social media because it was genius and Craig schefferd wore
Speaker 1: a tank top and it was I just loved it.
Speaker 1: They were so funny about it, so great. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the photo shoot itself being weird. What
Speaker 1: I remember is it was the first time i'd been airbrushed,
Speaker 1: you know, when I worked at MTV and they did,
Speaker 1: like VJ photos, they didn't, you know, make us look
Speaker 1: different than we did. You know, we looked like we
Speaker 1: did on TV. But in this photo shoot, you know,
Speaker 1: we get the pictures back in like my boobs because
Speaker 1: Joy you had out a T shirt and Hilary and
Speaker 1: I were both in tank tops and we were like,
Speaker 1: who'se boobs? Are these beats the heck out of me? Man?
Speaker 1: My whole life. Um, that was weird. And then also
Speaker 1: I didn't realize in the editing process, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're taking a group photo and somebody else looks really
Speaker 1: good and you were making a dumb face, they'll just
Speaker 1: take your face from a different picture and smack it
Speaker 1: on there. And so there's one picture of Chad and
Speaker 1: I sitting on like Lucas's steps, where my head is
Speaker 1: clearly not attached to my body. Oh my gosh. I
Speaker 1: remember being like so personally upset about it, and the
Speaker 1: note you know, from all the powers that be are like, honey,
Speaker 1: nobody cares. And it was so like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm a thing that we just sell now, like this
Speaker 1: is like a Sears catalog, you know, buy it, don't
Speaker 1: buy it. No one cares. Um. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: editing process of when your body becomes a thing to
Speaker 1: buy and sell and like a brand. That was a
Speaker 1: weird concept. It was also so weird to me that
Speaker 1: because there's a thing we get to do where you
Speaker 1: get the images and you have what they call them kills.
Speaker 1: You have a certain number of kills, and when you're young,
Speaker 1: they give you barely any but you can say, like
Speaker 1: I really hate this picture of me and please don't
Speaker 1: use it. But what was always so strange to me
Speaker 1: was that we couldn't say what our favorite pictures were.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we couldn't say I feel my best in this,
Speaker 1: please use one of these ten images that I like.
Speaker 1: They just sort of like, no, we pick the we
Speaker 1: pick you, we sell you. We own your image. We
Speaker 1: do what we do with your face what we want,
Speaker 1: and I still find it really weird. But I love weird. Then, dude,
Speaker 1: I look like I just parted in every promo picture
Speaker 1: we have because I've always got this huh, always the
Speaker 1: way I looked so awkward. There's one of me out
Speaker 1: there that I see floating around all the time, and
Speaker 1: I look so sort of angular and mannish and like
Speaker 1: it's too much makeup. There's like a little bit of um,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, it's just this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's always bothers me um that photo. And there's anthing
Speaker 1: we can do about them. There isn't nothing we can do.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's lots of bigger fish to fry
Speaker 1: in the world exact to sham hand problem. I suppose
Speaker 1: our fans actually make better art for us, like they
Speaker 1: do a great job of putting us in our best lights.
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Speaker 1: that we're all most likely to hate our press photos. Okay, dingh,
Speaker 1: we know this one most likely to win a Grammy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Sit here it sweet. Well you, guys, this episode was
Speaker 1: traumatic across the board. I'm glad we went together. Well.
Speaker 1: Next week is episode thirteen, Hanging by a Moment, Hanging
Speaker 1: by a Moment, Hey Baby, February ten, two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: On their way to drive Karen home from the airport,
Speaker 1: Karen's back, Keith Lucas collide with an oncoming vehicle. More crashes,
Speaker 1: leaving Lucas unconscious and fighting for his life. Drama Drama Queens. Okay, guys, bye,
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