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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: honestly in episode twelve crash course, in polite conversation, it

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Speaker 1: this generational inherited bullshit, wondering if she's going to be

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00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: dep Scott. It's like, maybe she wasn't when she was sixteen,

427
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: but we are in this moment um Peyton doesn't have

428
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: a generational thing to look to, and so I think

429
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: that is this episode was really difficult for me because

430
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: I felt like Peyton had already had to deal with

431
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: so many of these like major traumatic like sad things.

432
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: It's like the whole you know, my mom is dead

433
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: and now my best friend's kissing his boy, and like

434
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: every episode he gets bigger and bigger and bigger with

435
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: the Peyton trauma. And so when I got the script,

436
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: it was like, my dad is what now? Like what

437
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced in real life, like a major, like

438
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: panic inducing loss like that, um, like my pastor had

439
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: passed away, you know, and that was someone who I

440
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: really respected a lot, but it wasn't my dad, um.

441
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: And so I was just like, is this just to

442
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: give me to cry again? Like I don't I don't

443
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: know how many times I can do this, because you

444
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: feel like you're going to run out of AMMO or

445
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: run out of steam if you just do it every

446
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: single episode. And so that that whole thing was so

447
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: hard because in between scenes, Sophie and Chad could be

448
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: like fun, you know, like you guys can be having fun,

449
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: and I would have to just like sit in a

450
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: corner and like Altyd's and you know, and sad songs

451
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: and try to stay sad. Oh. I thought you made

452
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: a really interesting choice in this episode actually as an actor,

453
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: because you had been doing so many, so many episodes

454
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: um sullen and depressed and struggling and um, and that's

455
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: what was written for you, so that's what you were doing.

456
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: And in this episode you leaned into the vulnerability and

457
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: it softened you and there was even though you were sad,

458
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't the kind of sad that we've been watching

459
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: you do it was. It was it was a much

460
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: softer little girl vulnerable um warm. It was like really

461
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: seeing Peyton warm, I think for the first time, the

462
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: whole redemption thing. They're like, everyone hates you, We're gonna

463
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: take away your dead now. What I thought was so interesting, though,

464
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: is that in the last episode, I felt like we

465
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: started to see you that way. There was something so

466
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: beautiful about Larry Peyton's dad coming in and we got

467
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: to see you be this little girl and and really

468
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: feel her being sixteen. And and what it led me

469
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: to see or believe was that this girl who's sixteen,

470
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: who lives alone, the angst that teenager's experience could also

471
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: be armored for Peyton. This girl kind of there alone

472
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: in the world, and then as soon as her dad

473
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: came back, she got to soften. Exactly what Joy is saying.

474
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: It was so tender and sweet. I remember having a

475
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: thought during this being like, God, that's why I think

476
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: they leaned into like Peyton in pain, because the way

477
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: you played it was so genuine and beautiful and it

478
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: made me love you so much. And and so I

479
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: think that they took that moment and and really made

480
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: this new freedom, this new emotional vulnerability, this this young girl.

481
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: They were like, and maybe we'll take it all away.

482
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: And as an audience member, I mean I did this

483
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: episode with you, and watching it now, it wounded me

484
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: so much, thinking like, please don't hurt this little girl

485
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: that you guys are both being incredibly generous. Thank you,

486
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: But um, the thing that's really hard for me in

487
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: this episode is that, yes, like we were trying to

488
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: age Peyton down right and show like this is a kid.

489
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: She's just a kid, you know, because a kid that

490
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: lives alone and like, but then to take it from

491
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: like this is a kid too. Now we're gonna do

492
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: some sexy time stuff. Make it makes sense. Oh now

493
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: I just almost split water out of my, it's so ridiculous.

494
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: We were all like mouths agape, just watching this, Like

495
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: she finds the she goes back to the motel, finds

496
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: the bracelet, and I couldn't foundom because I didn't remember.

497
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember what was going to happen. So I

498
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: was like, why are they Why are they going back

499
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: to this motel? I mean, I loved that set. That

500
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: was a beautiful set, but I just don't figure out, like,

501
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: for what reason did they make her have the bracelet

502
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: back in the motel? It seems like such a strange

503
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: scene choice. Okay, should find a bracelet. She's sad, like,

504
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: all right, we never see the bracelet again. And then

505
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's taking a shirt off and

506
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: he's looking at you like, and it was so cross.

507
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: It started in the fittings because I was just I

508
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: was like, what, No, he's gonna take your shirt off?

509
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to do the dad,

510
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep a tank top on, right, And

511
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, finely, Chad take his shirt off. You know,

512
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: for as much complaining as I've done about us having

513
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: to like naked, the boys, also, how do you make

514
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: it all the time. Um, so you know it was fair. Um,

515
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: but I was like, no, I'm going to wear a

516
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: tank top. So Chad trying to figure out which layer

517
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: to grab because I'm actually wearing three shirts. Uh yeah,

518
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to figure that out with a big

519
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: pain in the ass. But the way they described it

520
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: to me to make it makes sense still doesn't make

521
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: any sense to me. I think they knew that Sandra

522
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: Bullock was my hero. She's always been my hero. We're

523
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: from Northern Virginia. Like I remember like reading Good Housekeeping

524
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: as a kid because she was on the cover and

525
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I just let her so much.

526
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: And I was told that this was like the movie Speed,

527
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: where you've been through this traumatic thing with someone and

528
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: there's so much pent up angst that you can't help

529
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: but fall into each other's arms at the end of it.

530
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: And as a twenty one year old, I was like, okay, sure,

531
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it took a lot of convincing.

532
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: As an almost fourty year old, I'm like, bullshit, would

533
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: have had a bad day. Don't touch me. Something of

534
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: a shake, yeah, hard pass. I'm Keith Scott just with

535
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: like the glass of brown liquor, just like no one

536
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: talked to me. Speed is like full of adrenaline that

537
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna you know, it's like the release

538
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: of all the adrenaline that's not the grief of pulling

539
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: the back a sheet on a course and thinking it

540
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: might be your parents. By the way, even though it's

541
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: not your parents, you just looked at a dead body

542
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: like I can't think of anything grosser. And by the way,

543
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: this person bury this plotline was one of your dad's coworkers. Yeah, yeah, right, like, hello,

544
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: what's happening? Never never acknowledged again how long it had

545
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: been in the water. I mean, it's just so inappropriate

546
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: on writing on that one. I think they could I

547
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: think they definitely could have done better. We need Peyton

548
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: and Lucas to kiss again. How do we make it

549
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: even crazier than the last time? But look, you never

550
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: know what's going on the writer's room, because they could

551
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: have had a completely different plan, and that you know

552
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: how sometimes the rewrites would come in or whatever. I

553
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember how far in advance you

554
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: had this, but it's totally possible they had a different

555
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: plan and then they got you know, Gossip Girl did

556
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: something scandalous, got a bunch of ratings, and then the

557
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: network called and was like, we need more sex in

558
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: this episode, and then you know, somebody was forced to

559
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: make it up. So, you know, in the defense of

560
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: some of the writers in the room, you never quite

561
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: know what's going on or where it's coming from. And

562
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: I will say too, that's a great point, Joy, because

563
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot of our writers were young, a lot of

564
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: our writers didn't have, you know, tons of experience on

565
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: other shows. And I think there is something really interesting

566
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: about even how they explained it to you Hill. This

567
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: is not an uncommon device on screen to people have

568
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: this really intense emotional experience and then they hook up.

569
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: It's like, why there's slut cops in every TV show.

570
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Slut Cops is the name of of a TV show

571
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I want to do, right, because let's let's come down

572
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: to it, so you know this, catch some bad guys

573
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: and them gonna lick your face. Yeah, okay, it's the

574
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: idea that a woman the idea that a woman processes

575
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: trauma through her sexuality is not something that I necessarily

576
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: align with, but maybe some people do. You know, well, yeah,

577
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody has different experiences expressions like sure, I bet we

578
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: could have a really interesting conversation with some women about this.

579
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I I'm more in your camp where I'm like, I've

580
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: had a really bad day. I either want the world's

581
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: most platonic hug, even if it's from my partner, or

582
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I want to be left alone and get under a

583
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: gravity blanket and then be like, know this hugs me

584
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: and no one else talk to me. Girl, gravity blanket

585
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: sounds pleasing, I think, Well, the reason it felt out

586
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: of place to me is because, um, when I want

587
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: comfort is when I'm feeling trauma, Like I need comfort

588
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: because something's wrong. But in this episode everything had kind

589
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: of just been fixed, like she you know, everything's okay now,

590
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: So it felt like it just felt like a bad

591
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: timing to me. It would have made way more sense

592
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: in the room the night before for her to be

593
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: crying for him to be comforting her. She rolls over

594
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: like it's just a hug, and then it just sort

595
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: of happens in bed like that feels much more of

596
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: a natural transition rather than like everything's better now. Well,

597
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to do a bait and switch,

598
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: like they wanted people to think it was going to

599
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: happen that night, and then it didn't, and then it's like, okay,

600
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: we're in the clear, and then it was like supposed

601
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: to be a sneak attack. Um. I think this episode

602
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: was really well written for all the Dan Scott stuff. Yes,

603
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, like Peyton constantly being faced

604
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: with trauma is like a hard line to walk, but okay,

605
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: we're walking it and we're getting through it. Some people

606
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: are cursed, she's a cursed human. Um, it's just the

607
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: let's let's make her younger to then have her do

608
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: some like much older stuff and shoot it in a

609
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: way that is kind of graphic. Um. You know, it's

610
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: not graphics for Cable, but if these were real life

611
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds playing these parts, you couldn't do that way.

612
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: It'd be so it'd be very, very frowned upon. Um.

613
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: So it just feels weird that people want to see

614
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: pretend sixteen year olds get down. I don't want to

615
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds aren't sixteen. I know. My favorite part

616
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: of that was when your hair got stuck on his necklace.

617
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: That was like, that's real. How can we awkward this up?

618
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I leaned into the awkward of that for sure, but

619
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: that was great and I will I don't know thinking

620
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: about it, I get the device. It does work. The

621
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: point is that there's a connection between these people and

622
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: that figuring out, you know, love and relationships at sixteen

623
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: is really messy. And there was no reason you had

624
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: to pull your clothes off. You could have just been

625
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: making out. That's bad enough, right, It's bad enough. It's that,

626
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it multiple times. I'm sure

627
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: that's what initially came in, and they're like, let's turn

628
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: it up to eleven, let's add a Brooke pervert comment.

629
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Let's know, we're gonna put Haley in ahead, and then

630
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Speaker 1: we're gonna turn to everyone. We have news. Hi, we're

631
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635
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637
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642
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,920
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643
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: That's looped live dot com for tickets. Do you guys

644
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: remember your like, you know, when you're first in high

645
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: school and you're starting to make out with boys and stuff.

646
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember how awkward it was though, and how

647
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: like you didn't know what You're trying to kind of

648
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: copy the things you saw in the movie and shows

649
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: like ours, But you know it always felt so I mean, gosh,

650
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: I remember one of my first French kisses. I think

651
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: it was my first French kiss. I it was this

652
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: really rich boy in our neighborhood. I was kind of

653
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: like the poor girl from the wrong side of the tracks,

654
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: Like my house is across the street from the highway

655
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: and like directly, um, you know, And but there was

656
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: this boy my neighborhood that lived in Upper Saddle River,

657
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, within walking distance of where

658
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I was in Walton, New Jersey. And you're making it

659
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: sound like pretty in pink like Andy well he um,

660
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: he took me out a date to the Bubble Lounge,

661
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: and I was seventeen. He took me the Bubble Lounge

662
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. He like had a car that drove us there,

663
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: like if they had a driver. Sorry, I'm going I'm

664
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: going way off. But anyway, that was And then we

665
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: got into the Champagne Lounge and like I was like,

666
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: oh my, that was the first time I was ever drunk.

667
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: You know. I drank two glasses of champagne and one

668
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: sitting thinking I don't feel anything, and then I stood

669
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: up in the whole room just like shifted into place,

670
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: turned my but um, sorry, I'm digressing, but anyway, I

671
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: want to know everything. And then the next day or another,

672
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: the next week or something whatever, when we hung out again.

673
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: We were hanging out in his basement and there was

674
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a game show on TV. I think was Jeopardy or something,

675
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: and he were sitting on the couch and he starts

676
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: to kiss me, and um, he he like was like

677
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: kissing all around, like like all around my mouth. It

678
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: was like your face face. It was like a whole

679
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: face kiss, and you know it was sweet boy. I mean,

680
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we were doing, but I definitely

681
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: was like I think whatever we're doing. This isn't it

682
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: tell us his name later because I need to google

683
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: this person. But um, but I just remember now looking

684
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: back at that, I'm going, just gosh, it was so awkward.

685
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know what you're doing. You're just trying,

686
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: like this is what we do. We just mash our

687
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: faces together. I don't know, you know so sweet. I

688
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: remember like I was a very late bloomer and I

689
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: didn't start kissing until very late in the game. And

690
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: then once I did, right uh, like senior year, summer

691
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: summer after senior year. I remember it being like a

692
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: great thrill to teach boys who hadn't kissed anyone really

693
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: how to do it. Like that was like a thing

694
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: where I was like, I am going to educate some

695
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: boys so that we go off into the world and

696
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: make it a happier, gentler boy. Yeah. I loved. I

697
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: loved being like, let's slow this down, come on gently,

698
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: You've done your duty to for society. That's it, undone.

699
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I put my time in. Congratulations girls, you're welcome. No,

700
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen luck. I learned a kiss from

701
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: a good kisser. I mean that's a that's a nice thing.

702
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: To be able to look back and say, I think

703
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: some of the kissing on this show was not my

704
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: finest work because I was so scared that there's like

705
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: a camera right there, you know, and it's like these

706
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: these first season kisses were my first time ever ever

707
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: doing that, like without actually kissing. It's like a fake kiss,

708
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, so you're there's no tongue, and your natural

709
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 1: like muscle memory is to like kiss with tongue because

710
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: that's what you've been doing. And so in this so weird,

711
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: it's like guppies, man, your life just guppies, like, you know.

712
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: It was so gross and weird. I was doing a pilot.

713
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: I played Paul Sorvino's daughter in a pilot when I

714
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: was fourteen, and it was called burning Down the House

715
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: or something before the movie with Steve Martin came out,

716
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: and my character of Paul Orvino had three daughters, and

717
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: my character had to make out with a boy on

718
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: the couch for like a whole scene while someone else

719
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: is talking, you know. So it's a sitcom. So the

720
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: other person is talking and they keep looking back at

721
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: us and we're just like still you know, mashing each

722
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: other's snogging. So you were fourteen. I was fourteen. I

723
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: might have been fifteen, but it was I mean, I

724
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: was young, and I was supposed to play this teenager

725
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and the girl um Gina, oh gosh, I can't remember

726
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: her last name, but she was so lovely and she

727
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: played my older sister. And I remember just sitting down

728
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: with her because we had done the blocking rehearsal. But

729
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: you don't really kiss in blocking her. You're not supposed

730
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: to kiss and blocking hers and supposed to and you

731
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: just sort of like lean in and like, you know,

732
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: we're here, we're here. You put your faces side by

733
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: side exactly. Thank you do a little cheek touch, cheek

734
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: to cheek. Um. But I I sat down next to her.

735
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: I went to her dressing remember knocking on her door

736
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: and being like, I've never done it on camera, kiss before.

737
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? I don't know what

738
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do? And Gina was so sweet. I'm

739
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: going to look up her last name. I don't know

740
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: why it's escaping me. It's my bad memory. Um, but

741
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, no problem. She she sat me

742
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: down and she just walked me through all of it.

743
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like you want to open

744
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: your mouth and and just press it up against each other,

745
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and you and you sort of like get each other

746
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: catch each other's lips a little bit, but you don't

747
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: want to put your tongue in each other's mouth, so

748
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: it just you want to make it look like you're

749
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: French kissing, but you're not. Actually, Um, she was really sweet.

750
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: So that's how I that's what I learned to do. Listen.

751
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: We all have to learn from somebody. Um. And yeah,

752
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: it is an awkward thing to watch back in retro.

753
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: It's so uncomfortable. I will say nothing gives me a

754
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: greater giggle than when the three of us are on

755
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: these zooms together and kissing scenes come up for any

756
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: of us all just like cringing and covering our faces

757
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: with our hands, like we're so horrified. And I don't know,

758
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I find it funny. Hill. She did a movie with Jeff.

759
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: It was like some horror movie in a cabin with

760
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Eric Palladino, and I'm pretty sure Jeff was in it. Well,

761
00:43:54,239 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: then I'm pretty sure Jeff kissed her too. Because guys,

762
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: we have some listener questions, and I really feel like

763
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: I need to ask Samantha's question to the group because

764
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: it's about this. She says, how do you separate acting

765
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: feelings from real ones? For example, with Nathan and Haley,

766
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: the chemistry and love you feel coming from you throughout

767
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: the whole show is crazy. Did it ever get confusing

768
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: in real life? I'm gonna go ahead and tack on

769
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: a reference to earlier in the show when we were

770
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: talking about the palpable chemistry between Deb Scott and Keith.

771
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: Scott and Craig have such good chemistry, and it's like,

772
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I think this is actually really a good question, So

773
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Joy take it away. Gina Phillips. By the way, Gina Phillips, Um, Okay,

774
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: So I mean that's why location ships start. Location ships.

775
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: That's a word. Yeah, shut up. It's like the most common.

776
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean, look at every all of our favorite people

777
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: on all of our favorite shows and in some of

778
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: our favorite films have all dated each other. I mean

779
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: I loved, Oh my god, Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling

780
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: when they were remember when they kissed on stage at

781
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: they from TV Awards and we were like, the notebook

782
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: is real real? You know it? Yeah, I mean we've

783
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: all we've all had our versions of that personally, I

784
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: feel that the more friction I have with someone off camera,

785
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: the better it reads on camera. Um. Look, everyone knows

786
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: Chad and I in season one were like, you know,

787
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: two budding heads. We didn't necessarily agree on anything, and

788
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: we grew to get along. But in season one, because

789
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: our characters were so being thrust together, and I was

790
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: aware of the want for it to be really like

791
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: people want to think it's real, and so I was

792
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: overcompensating for that, and so i'd be real with Chad.

793
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, for Samantha and so many other people. Yeah,

794
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: our our job is to create this real world, this

795
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: real chemistry, and I think, you know, sometimes it turns

796
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: into something that's actually real in real life. Again, I

797
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: will never get over Rachel McAdams and Ryan Bawsin kissing

798
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: at the MTV Awards noon. I loved it. I was

799
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: in a book fan. I loved that relationship. Um, and

800
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, obviously not attached to it. It's no longer

801
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: a thing. But I do think it is funny man

802
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: to know sometimes people who have amazing on screen chemistry

803
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: who actually hated each other vice versa. I've seen people

804
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you guys have ever seen this.

805
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I've seen real life couples try to act together and

806
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: their chemistry on screen is so flat, And I think

807
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: nothing is funnier because in life I'm like, no, you

808
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: guys are cute, but when you when there's a camera,

809
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: you get really awkward and you lose it. Joe and

810
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: I just did the Here's Nigan episode for the Walking Down.

811
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: I had night years about it, like I would like

812
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night in the

813
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: weeks leading up to shooting that, and I was like,

814
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, what if it goes wrong, Like what

815
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: if it's bad? And instead we had the best time

816
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: ever and it was like super fun. But boy, I'm

817
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, like leading up to it, and he

818
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: also had like, you know, been excited about it publicly

819
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: like oh, my wife is coming to work to play

820
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: and like then I think it dawned on him like,

821
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: oh no, if this is bad, we've never done it before.

822
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: And so now to Samantha's point, um, it feels really

823
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: nice to work with someone who I don't there's like

824
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: not a boundary, you know what, you can be as

825
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: like whatever as you want to be, and so like

826
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: being able to really kiss your spouse when you're supposed

827
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: to be in a kissing scene. It's like you were

828
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: getting a wake something that's fun. Yeah, it snuck up

829
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: and it was really fun. So yeah, it's it's a

830
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: gamble man. There are some actors out there. Some people

831
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: can create chemistry with anyone. Yeah, and other people it

832
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how good looking they are. There's something about

833
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: this your own personal the things that you're attracted to

834
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: in other humans, and it's friendship chemistry as well. Um,

835
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: and you know you just can't it's hard to force it. Um.

836
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: You know what it is joy You've talked about. It's

837
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: the listening. Listening as an actor makes you a better

838
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: lover and it makes you a better friend on camera.

839
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: And I think that is the difference. And so some

840
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: of these scenes where like we just kind of smashed

841
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: together and there isn't like a dialogue before, Like Sophia,

842
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: you and like just you know, broken Lucas have had

843
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: some like talks and then a kiss, and then Haley

844
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: and Nathan have had some talks and then it kiss

845
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and like pace just like headbutting people really without any

846
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of conversation. So it feels a little I want

847
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: to talk about it. It does get confusing, though, I mean,

848
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: I think especially when you work with somebody that long.

849
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, for me with James. James and I always

850
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: got on really well, but he was a lot younger

851
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: than me, and I just didn't really occur to me

852
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: to have personal romantic feelings for him. Um. But as

853
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: a show went on, and the more time we spend together,

854
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I would totally have like a romantic dream

855
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: about him and wake up and be like, oh wow,

856
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: that was interesting. We're kissing all day, We're like make

857
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: it out and we're like being all lovey dovey. Of

858
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: course it's going to work your way into its way

859
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: to wage your subconscious Um. But no, but you know,

860
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: we never ever got together in real life, and that's

861
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: honestly probably what kept the chemistry alive on screen for

862
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: so long too. Yeah, boundaries are important, they are you

863
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: need that yearning? Um? Sweet, Do we have any other

864
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: questions we want to hit before we do? Most likely? Yeah,

865
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: well let's see we have corn asking when do you

866
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: think the series concept changed from Ravens to ot to one?

867
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: What was the season promo? Was the season one promo

868
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: photo shoot? Awkward and at what point did you begin

869
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: to feel like actual friends and not just coworkers. Well,

870
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: we have a lot of questions here, Yeah, that's a lot.

871
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: Well it changed. It changed after we shot the pilot.

872
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: Think yeah, well it was just the title. It wasn't

873
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: the concept. It was just the title. It changed a

874
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean it went from being it was

875
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: the way it was pitched, and we've talked about this

876
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: was it was supposed to be like eight Mile with

877
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: like the Boy from the Wrong Side of the Tracks,

878
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: just to be like, you know, very gritty drama kind

879
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: of thing. All the sexy stuff came in as a

880
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: direct result of this summer launch of the o C

881
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: because it was a smash hit. I mean it was

882
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere, and so we were told, okay, we'll match that. Um.

883
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: But by the way, I don't know that that's a

884
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: bad thing, because all of a sudden, the female characters

885
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: got a much bigger piece of the pie, and you know,

886
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: screen time and stuff like that. It's great, give me more,

887
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah. Uh. Season one promo shoot photo shoot. Oh,

888
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: the one where we were laying on each other. I

889
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: was like, is that really put us in the bed? Yeah?

890
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: It was on set. We filmed that, and we shot

891
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: that on a stage. Photo shoots are always awkward at

892
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, at that age, it was always awkward because

893
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: if we were all just we wanted to look great,

894
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: and we were all sort of you know, all this

895
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: sort of pitting us against each other was happening. Plus

896
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: just the natural, uh sense of insecurity and jealous that

897
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: I think a lot of women feel with young girls

898
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: feel with each other. And we're in an environment where

899
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: we were always being compared to each other, and so

900
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: I think photo shoots definitely got weird in the beginning.

901
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I think we eased up after a while, but yeah,

902
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: it was a little weird. Plus laying everybody on top

903
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: of each other and being like who we ripping off

904
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: with that photo shoot. There was another show friends had done,

905
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: like the cover of Rolling Stone or something, all of

906
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: them in a bed, and so we did it, and

907
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: then Gossip Girl did it after us, like everyone has done.

908
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: Every has that. It's so funny and my actual favorite

909
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: part of season one was that them to kind of

910
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: tease us. All the grown ups did it, so Barbara

911
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: and Paul and Barry and Craig. It was genius. So

912
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: they copied it, and so then there were two posters.

913
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: We need to post those, we need to on our

914
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: social media because it was genius and Craig schefferd wore

915
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: a tank top and it was I just loved it.

916
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: They were so funny about it, so great. Yeah, I mean,

917
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember the photo shoot itself being weird. What

918
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: I remember is it was the first time i'd been airbrushed,

919
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: you know, when I worked at MTV and they did,

920
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: like VJ photos, they didn't, you know, make us look

921
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: different than we did. You know, we looked like we

922
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: did on TV. But in this photo shoot, you know,

923
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: we get the pictures back in like my boobs because

924
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: Joy you had out a T shirt and Hilary and

925
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: I were both in tank tops and we were like,

926
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: who'se boobs? Are these beats the heck out of me? Man?

927
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: My whole life. Um, that was weird. And then also

928
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: I didn't realize in the editing process, you know, if

929
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: you're taking a group photo and somebody else looks really

930
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: good and you were making a dumb face, they'll just

931
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: take your face from a different picture and smack it

932
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: on there. And so there's one picture of Chad and

933
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I sitting on like Lucas's steps, where my head is

934
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: clearly not attached to my body. Oh my gosh. I

935
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: remember being like so personally upset about it, and the

936
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: note you know, from all the powers that be are like, honey,

937
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: nobody cares. And it was so like, oh, I get it.

938
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm a thing that we just sell now, like this

939
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: is like a Sears catalog, you know, buy it, don't

940
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: buy it. No one cares. Um. Yeah, that was the

941
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: editing process of when your body becomes a thing to

942
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: buy and sell and like a brand. That was a

943
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: weird concept. It was also so weird to me that

944
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: because there's a thing we get to do where you

945
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: get the images and you have what they call them kills.

946
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: You have a certain number of kills, and when you're young,

947
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: they give you barely any but you can say, like

948
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: I really hate this picture of me and please don't

949
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: use it. But what was always so strange to me

950
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: was that we couldn't say what our favorite pictures were.

951
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we couldn't say I feel my best in this,

952
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: please use one of these ten images that I like.

953
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: They just sort of like, no, we pick the we

954
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: pick you, we sell you. We own your image. We

955
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: do what we do with your face what we want,

956
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and I still find it really weird. But I love weird. Then, dude,

957
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: I look like I just parted in every promo picture

958
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: we have because I've always got this huh, always the

959
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: way I looked so awkward. There's one of me out

960
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: there that I see floating around all the time, and

961
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: I look so sort of angular and mannish and like

962
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: it's too much makeup. There's like a little bit of um,

963
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, it's just this doesn't work.

964
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: It's always bothers me um that photo. And there's anthing

965
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: we can do about them. There isn't nothing we can do.

966
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: But you know, there's lots of bigger fish to fry

967
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: in the world exact to sham hand problem. I suppose

968
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: our fans actually make better art for us, like they

969
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: do a great job of putting us in our best lights.

970
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. And by the way, we've

971
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: been loving your drama Queen's artwork. Everybody, it's so fun

972
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: to see that. Um And please keep sending us emails,

973
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: let us know what you're enjoying about the show, what

974
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: you want to hear more. Of UM and uh and

975
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Should we display

976
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: some fan art for our live event, you guys, get

977
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: it in. We're also excited because we're gonna be together

978
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: in real life for O th h D. So I

979
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: can't wait to squeeze you guys to You know, tickets

980
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: are on sales, So y'all come hang out with us.

981
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: We love you. Come hang sing along with Gavin DeGraw

982
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: and some special guests. Hey, let's been a wheel before

983
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, I was gonna say, now we know

984
00:56:54,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: that we're all most likely to hate our press photos. Okay, dingh,

985
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: we know this one most likely to win a Grammy. Yes,

986
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: most likely to win a Grammy is none other Hayley

987
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: James Scott. Right, that's right, Yes, girl, let's do that.

988
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: When we do that, I mean, honestly, we know it's

989
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: like a game. We know there's like record labels that

990
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: like take people out to lunch and stuff like that.

991
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: Like I'll whoever lunch for you to win a Grammy.

992
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm into it. I'm in. I'm so in. Well, I

993
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: just had a meeting with the record label UM last

994
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: week actually to talk about doing a country record and

995
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: just yeah, there's something's brewing. There's something's brewing with I've

996
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: got a tambourine if you need some backup, Yes, I do.

997
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: Sit here it sweet. Well you, guys, this episode was

998
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: traumatic across the board. I'm glad we went together. Well.

999
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: Next week is episode thirteen, Hanging by a Moment, Hanging

1000
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: by a Moment, Hey Baby, February ten, two thousand and four.

1001
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: On their way to drive Karen home from the airport,

1002
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: Karen's back, Keith Lucas collide with an oncoming vehicle. More crashes,

1003
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: leaving Lucas unconscious and fighting for his life. Drama Drama Queens. Okay, guys, bye,

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1007
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Speaker 1: email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. Were all about that high school drama?

1009
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Speaker 1: Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll

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