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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: You are receiving a call from get you out from

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Speaker 2: Kollecathy Correctional Institute. Do you accept the charges?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I hey, baby cakes. How you doing Gypsy Baby?

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Speaker 2: Hi? Ryan, I'm so excited to hear your voice.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so excited hear your voice. I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: about it all day at the special education classes I teach. Damn,

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Speaker 3: can wait? Come home? Let out the dogs call you?

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about your actual dogs? Take a big

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Speaker 2: pack and your pants that I'm gonna see in our next.

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Speaker 3: You're so naughty, baby.

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Speaker 2: But I feel a good girl.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Damn, you get me going. How are you feeling today, baby?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm pretty good. I just got my certificate of

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Speaker 2: completion in my how to Relax cast, which I've been

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Speaker 2: taking for sixteen weeks in prison.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till you relax me. We can give

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Speaker 3: each other really long foot massages.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean like you have a long foot for.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Baby, you know I'm packing for you.

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Speaker 2: I like how baby you are makes me feel small.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till you sit on my lap and

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Speaker 3: we can watch all my favorite television programs like Chicago Med.

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Speaker 4: I've always heard about Chicago med. We don't get paramount

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Speaker 4: pleasant prison, but super excited.

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Speaker 3: Baby. I'll subscribe to all the streaming services for you.

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Speaker 3: How about this sound When you come home, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: make you my special special gumbo kicking with spices. I'm

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Speaker 3: talking tyane and it's gonna make you hot and sweety.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yummy.

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Speaker 3: Then we're gonna fire up Zobe one on one.

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Speaker 2: You have one more minute. Okay, let's just how phone sets.

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Speaker 3: Now, Oh, Gypsy, No, no, no, that is not Christian.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll wait for the visit.

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Speaker 3: Four days, five hours, three minutes, twenty one seconds.

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Speaker 2: You're my big drunk kangaroo elephant man. I love you.

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Speaker 3: I love you, baby. I'll call you in twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 1: It's all your friends, your filthy horse. Your husband's gone,

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Speaker 1: and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir.

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Speaker 1: It's Martini.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: Read it while it's hot. Celebrity book Club. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud.

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Speaker 3: Celet book say it loud and cloud celebrity book buzz

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Speaker 3: me in. I brought the queer vow.

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Speaker 1: Hey friend, how are y'all?

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Speaker 2: Are? You know?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing good, you know, as good

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Speaker 3: as I can in these circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I know it's been such a tough time for America lately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look cloaked in darkness right now.

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Speaker 1: I am feeling pretty dark in my home office right now.

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Speaker 1: You know, it can get really hot and here I

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Speaker 1: am in a windowless space, as you know. So yes,

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Speaker 1: we try to keep the lights low.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny you just said windowless space made me

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Speaker 3: think of jail cells.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get through anything, you guys. That's to

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Speaker 1: say we fully believe in alternatives to incarceration. And please

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Speaker 1: donate to your local community bilfund if you have the cash.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have the cash, well, literally no pressure.

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Speaker 3: But the most you can do is share this episode.

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Speaker 1: Please please share this episode to spread awareness.

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Speaker 3: Today we read yes, it's a book.

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Speaker 1: Well kind, it is an ebook, And this is the

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Speaker 1: first official ebook you've ever read on this podcast. We've

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Speaker 1: gotten into some PDFs. Yeah, and like I'm sure like

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Speaker 1: because we weread ted Kazinski's manifesto, which I'm sure if

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Speaker 1: like there had been ebooks when he was around, it

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Speaker 3: Book, but it would have also been a zene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the books are like not as punk a zines

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Speaker 1: because e books are a little bit just like m M.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there is going to be like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So of course what book are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: What celebrity the e book are we talking about? Well

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Speaker 1: her from you.

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Speaker 3: Know her from Aiden and the Bed and Kind and the.

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Speaker 1: Murder of her Mother. You know her from being the

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Speaker 3: I don't even know a more famouse one in ancient history.

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Speaker 1: She was the subject of the Hulu original film The Act.

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Speaker 1: She was the subject of the HBO documentary Mommy, Dad

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Speaker 3: Those were the two big ones. But there's been other docs.

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Speaker 3: You know her for being a huge Chiefs fan. You

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Speaker 3: You know her from getting married in prison to her

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Speaker 3: big strong Southern man Ryan, and just four months after

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Speaker 3: being released announcing that they're separating. Are we surprised?

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Speaker 1: We, of course are talking about none other that Gypsy.

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Speaker 3: And her ebook released.

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Speaker 1: Conversations on the Eve of Freedom.

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Speaker 3: With Melissa Moore and Michelle.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't now, Gypsy Rose

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Speaker 1: after being contradicted of the murder of her mother ten

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Speaker 1: Nick Godda John, who is still in prison for life.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And as she describes in a drawing in this book,

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Speaker 3: Because they survived hur Kane Katrina. Yeah, if you don't know,

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Speaker 3: like Gypsy Rose, the story, as we always say, you

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Speaker 1: But basically her mom Munchausen's the out of her.

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Speaker 3: She gasled her. I mean Gasla is almost even as

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Speaker 3: the main like Keros kind of who got her out

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Speaker 3: oh no, he hates us, and he's like never paid

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Speaker 1: Lied gypsy rose her whole life, cleaning her that her

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Speaker 1: Having named So this book was written, as the subtitle implies,

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Speaker 1: on the eve of her release. And this book is crazy.

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Speaker 3: And so the conversations are with Melissa Moore, who is

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Speaker 3: So she wrote a book called like Shattering My Image

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Speaker 3: Fragments of My Life and about like how you know

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Speaker 3: She's been on Doctor Oz and so I feel like she's,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the blonde family murder community. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: She's just a fucking carpetbagger because she's obsessed with everyone

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Speaker 3: Know, which is why I think it's kind of cool

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Speaker 1: You know, taking advantage of Gypsy Rose.

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Speaker 3: I loved the act the acclaimed Toulu series. But I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you this, to quote Jip she rose, we don't

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Speaker 3: Well, I think she did. Like Mommy Dearest, which is

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Speaker 1: Masks oh our Massachusetts queen who told her boyfriend to

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Speaker 1: think she appreciates the attention at it. I mean, she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have met either of her prison boyfriends because, as

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Speaker 1: she reveals in this ebook, I met my first like

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Speaker 1: wrote to me on a dare. And then she starts

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Speaker 1: dating Ryan because like he hears about her on the act.

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Speaker 1: But after her first worfriend breaks up with her because

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Speaker 1: there's too much attention from the act. Yes, so you

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Speaker 1: know it's the two sides of a coin for sure.

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Speaker 3: I want to get into just that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: The interview style of this woman who's kind of playing

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Gypsy Rose is talking about how she first met Ryan.

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Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, he wrote to me on a dare

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Speaker 3: and the woman she's like, I'm sorry, I don't follow, Like,

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Speaker 3: why would anyone write to you the most famous like

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Speaker 3: That was so weird. It was telling me my pen

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Speaker 3: no worries, no worries. I thought it was weird because

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Speaker 3: I'm gypsy, but not that kind of gypsy. I highlighted

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, Melissa, you fake us, bitch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was this a prominent feature your life growing up?

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Speaker 3: Poor the red Wine. We're watching true crime tonight.

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Speaker 1: My friend is not obsessed with like snapped on Oxygens

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Speaker 4: I can't take it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so fucking creepy.

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Speaker 1: Of course she would be because her mom has pathologized

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Speaker 3: Let's go tubing. She talks about like how has she

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Speaker 4: Just be like sassy with my followers being like my

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Speaker 3: Tattoo that on my ass?

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Speaker 1: Book Club? Book Club, What was another moment that felt

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Speaker 4: Oh, I used to come to and overcame, and then

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Speaker 3: Right, that was like get up, eat and again I'm

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Speaker 6: The mom would bake Pillsbury like crests chilling, the slap

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, hell yeah, like we're doing Pillsbury tonight.

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Speaker 3: And then they would watch Bold and the Beautiful and

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Speaker 3: was like, this is so you and your babysitters.

438
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: When you it did remind me of my childhood somewhat.

439
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 3: But I was like, here's the thing. It's different when

440
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: you get to skip one day of school and eat pills.

441
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Me.

442
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: Funny is that wat in middle school, I would pretend

443
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: to get a stomach ache at least once a week,

444
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: or it.

445
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: Would actually munch house into yourself.

446
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: Chous in myself. I would actually kind of induce a

447
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: stomach ache and then would have to get picked up

448
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: at noon by my nanny, and then I would make

449
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: it home in time to watch Days of Our Lives,

450
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: which is on at one pm.

451
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: You really similar?

452
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, I am the gypsy Rows of Newton and

453
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: I and I wear that badge with honor and pride.

454
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: But you're also like the d D right because I'm

455
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: just being like I need to watch my stories.

456
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: I need to watch my stories, and you're like telling

457
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: yourself you have a stomach ache, you know. And Onto

458
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: also like her kind of explaining her mom. She doesn't

459
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: spend much time being like I think she's worth through that,

460
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: like doing such a rant on like what she did

461
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: was fucked up. I think she's just like it was

462
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: obviously completely twisted, and I've lost all faith in all

463
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: humanity and family. I will say that. But she says

464
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: her mother was molested by her father.

465
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: Which I wasn't sure to believe that at first, because

466
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, when the mother say anything to try to

467
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: like convince the daughter to like have sympathy for her,

468
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: believe everything else, he's right. But then she said the

469
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: grandfather also most to her. Yeah, and in the doc,

470
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: the grandfather is he's not not creepy, like he is

471
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: super Cajun. But like there's this part where they ask about, like, oh,

472
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: your daughter was murdered, did you ever want to do

473
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: anything with ashes? And he was like a Polton put

474
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: ashes in Poland, And You're just like, okay, savage, But

475
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: also like, hmm, you know, it just suggests maybe a

476
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: lack of empathy.

477
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess something happened to the mom.

478
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit just like, yeah, I'm gonna

479
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: go ahead and believe that because it's just like her, like,

480
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: instigating all that trauma against gypsy doesn't come out of nowhere.

481
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: But I think that, like, you know, obviously a lot

482
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: of people know the story but what the mom did

483
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: prior to reading the book. But the little things that

484
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: she pops out are super crazy. The revelation that the

485
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: mom would shave.

486
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: Shave but China that I screamed when I read that terrifying.

487
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: And they would one they were bathing together.

488
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: They got in the bath together, and then she would

489
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: shave her straight up shave her pussy. And then she

490
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: was like, yea, my mom told me that it was

491
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: because I had to be clean.

492
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: And it was like this thing of like the purity

493
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: and the all the like the Christianity psychosis of it

494
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: all was that the mom was like, you're never clean.

495
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: Like to the mom, it was like gypsy. Just having

496
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: a body was sinful. So she was like, I need

497
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: to make you clean. I need to make you clean,

498
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: So I need to like keep shaving you and that

499
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: will make you cleaner.

500
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I love the part where she's like, please do not

501
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: mistake this as me trying to play Freud.

502
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, that part she's and it's like, okay, well.

503
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I've just examined how this might have seen for my

504
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: mother's perspective. My mother's portrayal by her own father was

505
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: exactly right of her husband. My father asking for a divorce,

506
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: and here I was the third person closer to her

507
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: that would betray her too by trying to run away

508
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: and then pulling away because I want to grow up,

509
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: and then the murder happened. She was like, I got it. Listen,

510
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm no Freud. Okay.

511
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: That felt really alto Lana del Rey to me in

512
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: this way, like don't get me wrong, I won't play

513
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: your fucking Freud. It's like I actually there you you

514
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: can play Freud.

515
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: I think you can maybe do just a whisper of

516
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: psychoanalysis on your insane mom, and like you have some

517
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: pretty fair conclusions you can draw.

518
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: Definitely, you know, just like oh, she was molested. And

519
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: then she was like, basically I would call that, you know,

520
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: adjacent sexual abuse for sure.

521
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: For sure.

522
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: With her Christianity now, Gypsy Rose is like back to

523
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: being Christian and she's being very like I believe in

524
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: God and faith. And she has a Wickan period in college,

525
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: I mean in college.

526
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: In prison, just sort of her college.

527
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: It's kind of her college. And she's like, yeah, I

528
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: had my wick in times because like one of my

529
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: BFFs here is Wickan. And I was like, that is

530
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: kind of A classic part of puberty, I think is

531
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: thinking you're wicken.

532
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I mean everyone has just being like,

533
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm weird. I'm going through a weird punk phase. I mean,

534
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, I became a hacker. That was my thing,

535
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: which is kind of also Wickan adjacent.

536
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: Hacker is greater wicka like yeah, typing, I bought well,

537
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: I guess my mom bought it for me.

538
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: But I'm so punked.

539
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: So punked the Satanic Bible when I was eleven, which

540
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: I was pretty cool of her. And then I brought

541
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: it to school and yeah, people were fucking freaked.

542
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that because you get kicked out.

543
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 3: No, I was told not to bring the book to school, though,

544
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: How fucking it's.

545
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: So fucked up that you were discriminated against for your beliefs.

546
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

547
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: Can you believe I was discriminated against that my public

548
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean sorry, my extremely private Velmont Elementary School for

549
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: being wicked.

550
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: And when I say public, I mean extremely private.

551
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: When I say public, I mean thirty thousand dollars.

552
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Wait, what was in the Satanic Bible? Like it was

553
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: just like a by.

554
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Marilyn Manson's like leader Anton Levey.

555
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Cool?

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it like spells. It spells, but a lot

557
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: of it is kind of just like general like leftists

558
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: bro anarchists thinking. So it's theory and spells, but.

559
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: There's not stuff like the cow tongue spell that Gypsy's

560
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: mom tried to cast.

561
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so they go like shopping at one point.

562
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Wait the part where she goes, I remember a trip

563
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: to the store where my mother marched in and handpicked

564
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: the right rock house tongue. She needed it for a recipe,

565
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: but not the kind from a Barefoot Contessa cookbook, as

566
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: my mother did eat me. She was cooking up a spell.

567
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Parents out there, if bribing your child with new baby

568
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: dolls are tiny t starts losing effectiveness, you could always

569
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: try telling your child that you are a powerful witch.

570
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Because the mom is like casting a spell to like

571
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: get Gypsy Rose not to run away again. That part

572
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: is also her being kind of sassy and funny in

573
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: this humor.

574
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: Well, she also mentions watching Food Network in prison, so

575
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: she doesn't have Hulu, but she definitely has Food Network.

576
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: They do have the Food Network.

577
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: So she is having her Barefoot Contessa like references and

578
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: like she does have a tablet. She's been like, ah, Cowtung. Yeah,

579
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: not the Barefoot Contessa recipes you're thinking of.

580
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I found myself contrasting this book with

581
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: the other great piece of prison literature that we've read,

582
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Amanda Knox's Waiting to be Heard, which is obviously very different.

583
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Like Amanda Knox, you know, is she's a smart girl,

584
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: and the book is a pretty well reasoned defense of

585
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: like the injustices she faced at the legal system. Gypsy

586
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: Rose is a little bit more like, you know, homeschool.

587
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Seems like she learned English from watching Hannah Montana, like

588
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: that's where her brain is at. Still. In both, there's

589
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: this kind of like appeal to humor and being like

590
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: it's a little bit you know, the gallows humor, and

591
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: just being like, well a sun like yeah, my mom

592
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: was trying to cast spells on me, and yeah, I

593
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: did become best friends with the other girl whose boyfriend

594
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: murdered her mom.

595
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: And like that was her crew and she oh, so

596
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: her first crew in prison. She joined quote unquote the

597
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: Mean Girls, and I have a question for you here.

598
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: And her nickname was Jersey and Melissa's like, what do

599
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: you mean, like someone on Jersey Shore or Real Housewives

600
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: of New Jersey like a tough talking Jersey girl, and

601
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: Gypsy's like, yeah, exactly that, but I wasn't the Jersey type.

602
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: So I feel like she joined this like badass, mean

603
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: crew of like Italian girls.

604
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: Do you think that they were all like more Italian

605
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: American quota and she was just being like, I'm so

606
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: like Southern Christian and Portcachen.

607
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: Guess I wanted to ask you, what, like what prison crew?

608
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: What like what ethnic what ethnic goes squat? Do you

609
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: think you enjoy.

610
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: In prison? I mean I always wonder because like it's

611
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: been a while since I watched Oz. I'm like, would

612
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I be clocked as a gay guy and so I

613
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: would I get like raped so quickly? Or would I

614
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: just like fall in love with my cellne and he

615
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: would protect me and he would be my king and

616
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: my protector.

617
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: Right, and you'd be more of a choosome and be

618
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: like this is my top king that like.

619
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I would prefer that that sounds a little bit easier,

620
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: although maybe a pack is better because if then my

621
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: king like gets knife in the yard, then I'm then

622
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: you're left rude, you know what I mean?

623
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: Would you be like the bottom of a pack sounds like.

624
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: A lot of work. I don't know if I have

625
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: this damn o it for that?

626
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. If that's so you you might

627
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: get tired out quickly.

628
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could I join my

629
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: fellow like German Ukrainians.

630
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: My fellow Germans? What kind of crew would that be?

631
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: If I may?

632
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I look too Jewish to join the

633
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: neo Nazi squad in prison?

634
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: Yes, them like about to like a few and you're

635
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: like no, no, no, like.

636
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: I swear you being like no, I'm not going to

637
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: say they were.

638
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: This is a Christian. I'm like, I do want to

639
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: talk about you being rape in person as a joke,

640
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: but like, I'm not gonna curse.

641
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Wait, would you be in like the Italian American squad?

642
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: Well?

643
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like smuggling in like so which

644
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: fills you with the mozzarella to like make their veo

645
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: parmesan like on their prison stove.

646
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like heating it up.

647
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like really like, wouldn't you be being two

648
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: OUs in Roman for them? And you're like so yeah,

649
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: I like did you actually squeeze a fresh someone? They're like,

650
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: are you kidding?

651
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: Me.

652
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I would be like I use my lemon.

653
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Tappa and they're just like using so much dried lemon

654
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: pepper and so much.

655
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: Like generic from the commissary lemon pepper. And I'm just

656
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: like my friend Stephen visited me on Sunday and brought

657
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: fresh lemon.

658
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: You actually brought me like a small lemon tree. So

659
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I prefer to ease that if we can.

660
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: Then the big ann just like beating me up, is

661
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: that you think you're so fucking fancy with your little

662
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: lemon tree.

663
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, speaking of lesbians in prison, there is

664
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: a passage that I guess I will say took my

665
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: breath away that I really.

666
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Not prepared. Let's just read the passage.

667
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to be gypsy?

668
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'll be gypsy.

669
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be in melistening. I'm gonna make a really

670
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: Italian now.

671
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is Melissa kind of asking like what cruise.

672
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: Were you in? It does sound like you are in

673
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: high school. That's what we all did in high school,

674
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: just trying on different hats and trying different friend groups

675
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: to see which one fit.

676
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: He tried to experiment with my sexuality too, I was

677
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: pretty sure I was straight, but I tried anyway.

678
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

679
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: I thought perhaps if I experimented with women, I would

680
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: have a better chance of reaching climax. I think as

681
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: a young girl, I was exposed to watching shows Likexina,

682
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: where your princess Xena and Gabrielle were lesbians, and I

683
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: watched it and didn't understand. When I was sixteen or so,

684
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: I thought girls were pretty. So that confused me. So

685
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: I thought, am I gay? There's a saying here gay

686
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: for this day, straight from the gate. So when in Rome,

687
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: I did kiss a couple of girls and became a

688
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: pillow princess.

689
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Four times, Melissa goes a pillow princess.

690
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: If you think about it for a sec, it will

691
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: make sense. Let's just say I didn't initiate, not her

692
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: being just.

693
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, so I was the bottom four times.

694
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got completely railed by some big old just

695
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: fully by l.

696
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: The lead de Lauria of Chilla Caute Correctional Institute. It's

697
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: doing life for murder and.

698
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: Him she experimented. Turns out it's not totally for her, No,

699
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: and that's okay. She ultimately loves a big sis dick

700
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: Sis and Southern Wait the part where she does talk

701
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: about the other front. Amelia and I initially bonded because

702
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: her background is similar to mine. Her boyfriend also murdered

703
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: her mother. We are a similar age, and we were

704
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: the two girls that murdered their mothers. We both on

705
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: Mother's Day, a particularly difficult time of fear.

706
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean she gets it, she literally gets it.

707
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: She's a chica. Well, and then it's really cute her

708
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: like friend is into baking and makes her like a

709
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: prison cake that says happy Mommy issues Day on Mother's Day.

710
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: I'll say, because.

711
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: When like Mother's Day or Father's Day come around, like

712
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: on Instagram, like it's always half photos of like hot

713
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: in the seventies, and then the other half is people

714
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: like being like, please remember when you're posting like for

715
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: the fallen, like this is a really hard day for

716
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: people to be on Instagram.

717
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess I don't see those so many

718
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: of those, But yeah, I know what you're talking about.

719
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'm you're more in that sort.

720
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: Of yeah, And her friend was like, yeah, it's also

721
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: hard to see photos of people's moms when like you

722
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: personally were kind of the.

723
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: One when you were the catalyst for your mother's murder.

724
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: Just be aware of some people who are in that community,

725
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: the community of people whose boyfriends did murder their moms.

726
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: When you're posting for Mother's Day.

727
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Okay, here's my more political question. I am of the

728
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: mind that if Gypsy Rose is now out of jail,

729
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: I kind of think the boyfriend should be out of

730
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: jail too.

731
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: I agree.

732
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: I understand that he's the one who stabbed and like

733
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: that represents like a craziness and like an ability to

734
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: commit violence in the way that maybe she doesn't. But

735
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm just more from a philosophical legal perspective. If we

736
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: are saying that the abuse she suffered justifies, or not

737
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: justifies the murder, but at least like justifies a lessoned

738
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: sentence for murder, then I think we have to justify

739
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: it for the other person who was involved, because it

740
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: couldn't have happened without both of them. The legal systems

741
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: decided that they were accomplices. It's decided that like he

742
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: needed her to commit the murder, she needed him to

743
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: commit the murder. So if we're going to say that

744
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: she has now done our time, I think we have

745
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: to say that he's in time too.

746
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: I fully agree, And I know there's a lot of

747
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: online discourse yeah about this couple, and I mean Gypsy

748
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Rose in this book ebook refers to him as like

749
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: a narcissist, you know, like how he convinced her to

750
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: be with him, And so I think maybe the courter

751
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: is like, well, right, like, is he a type of

752
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: person who could do this to someone else because he

753
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: is mentally ill and like looking to kind of get

754
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: out those sort of feelings.

755
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for sure, but I also think that,

756
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm.

757
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: Kind of with you. I'm like, well, so she's out,

758
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: he should be out.

759
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: You can make that argument about anyone, I guess. And

760
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm also just like her situation is so specific. I'm like,

761
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: is he going to be searching for them on Munchausen's

762
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: Girl whose mom he needs to kill?

763
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: He gets on Facebook? Again?

764
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, not that he's not creepy, like

765
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: for sure, like no one is denying that, but I

766
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: just think that, like if we're gonna say that there

767
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: was some amount of like just a vacation here in

768
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: lessening the sentence because of all the abuse, then he

769
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: needs to be like included in them.

770
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I would like to. I guess I go

771
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: back in the court of like why right, their reason

772
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: is because like he was the one that did it,

773
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: did it.

774
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: But because there's situations there's legal precedence for. And no,

775
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't have the cases in front of me, but

776
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I do feel like there's times when the person who

777
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: actually like pulls the trigger or stabs the person or whoever,

778
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, the so called assassin gets less of a

779
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: sentence than the mastermind of a killing.

780
00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh.

781
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: Compare this, say to the mafia or something like that. Right,

782
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, the like hitmen are usually the

783
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: ones that are found first because they're the ones that

784
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: like did the murder. But it's like there's a mastermind

785
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: behind that, which is in a sense more evil because

786
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 3: they're like planning it all and hiring people.

787
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, and so if we're saying that she's not

788
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: really like evil, she's just like living in this her

789
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: brain is like not in the right state of mind.

790
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: And also she was so abused and she felt this

791
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: only way she could escape, which I think is totally

792
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: a rational understanding of the situation. Then we're like, Okay,

793
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: so she kind of put him up to it, but

794
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: He also like they were in this twisted situation and

795
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: he was excited by it.

796
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's like prison. What are we gonna

797
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: do about it?

798
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about it? You know, we

799
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: just want to throw people in prison.

800
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: Literally, what are we gonna do about it?

801
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 1: It is a problem. My other question, like take question,

802
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: is like I still don't understand how so many yes,

803
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: like prescribed her all this shit for a condition she

804
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: didn't have. I understand the mom is a master manipulator.

805
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: I understand she like Katrina, destroyed the hospital records, But

806
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how are you going to diagnose someone

807
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: with leukemia if they don't have the presence of like

808
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: leukemia in their blood. It's just kind of like, how

809
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: are they not running blood tests and seeing that she's fine?

810
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: And that one doctor who was like, actually her legs

811
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: like don't have muscular district at all and so she

812
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: clearly like is able to use her leg muscles. Why

813
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: was that only one person you ever thought that?

814
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: And this is why this case took the nation and

815
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: so many documentary films and Hulu shows, is You're like,

816
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: how could just like the amount of doctor's medical professionals

817
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: which then makes you question the entire medical field.

818
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: It does, and I feel like we all know doctors

819
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: like barely spend any time with patients and they just

820
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: like hustle you in and out of there. And then

821
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know, Like doctors do just

822
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: want to fucking prescribe drugs and they just want to

823
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: give you storage and send your your way.

824
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: And so it's like while you're literally getting the surgery

825
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: and they're looking at the forms, and I guess the

826
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: thing is, like, what was she going to? Like I'm

827
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: sure people will like fact check me on this, going

828
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: to so many different doctors, So it's like that was

829
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: a way to lie.

830
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Partially, yes, but I can understand like getting a prescription

831
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: for like an inhaler or fucking xanax for anxiety.

832
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: For example, not that you would ever know anything about.

833
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: It, Not that I would know anything about that.

834
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: By the way, Mental Health Awareness Month.

835
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: Starts now, starts now, But like how you can be

836
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: getting surgeries and a feeding tube installed just based on

837
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: like a mom's conjecture seems insane. How can there be

838
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: some concrete evidence for.

839
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: That, especially when we talk about like grifters and master manipulators,

840
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: you're kind of seeing the interviews with the mom and

841
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: you're like, this woman, Yeah, no offense to de Deie Blanchard,

842
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: but I'm like, you convinced this doctor that she had leukemia.

843
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: It's and like maybe it's like once she had one

844
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: report that she can like pass that on to the

845
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: next doctor.

846
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: It's not adding up segments, dead Dearest. What does she wear?

847
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: Does she eat?

848
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: How does she live? Okay, what does she wear? I

849
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: like the part in the book where she talks about

850
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: using her prison bedsheet as a toga.

851
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: Oh for like ancient Greece Halloween, because there's a section

852
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: where the woman is like do you like Halloween and holidays?

853
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: Like what are you excited for? And she's like, at first,

854
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: I did Halloween in jail, and I did Ancient Greece.

855
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: But then she got kind of I think depressed and

856
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: was like I'm not gonna do this. But she does

857
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: plan on doing Beating the Beast with Ryan. That of

858
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: course was before they broke.

859
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: Up, so.

860
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: Maybe she'll find another beast.

861
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

862
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: So she is a admitted Disney adult and she's like

863
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: I know all Disney trivia and like Brian like won't

864
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: let me enter Disney trivia contest wind too much.

865
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 3: When a man holds you back from Disney trivia.

866
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: So obviously she's gonna have Peter Panton's room I think

867
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: forever probably.

868
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like of course she's a Disney fan, and it's

869
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: like she's just also even discovering like Disney like live

870
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: action sitcoms.

871
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Like I feel like she was getting dressed up in

872
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: such princess outfits and that was kind of her, Like

873
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: she drives that JC Penny prom dress right photos.

874
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: When she kind of gets out, now she's either like

875
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: kind of call your Daddy hoodie style or it's like

876
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: also still pretty like Dillard's.

877
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's like it's more Dillards though it's more QVC

878
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: where it is kind of Reba. So it's like she's

879
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: a shirt with like wings, It's.

880
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: A shirt with wings and then like knee high pleather

881
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: dsw boots with like black tights and like a chunky sweater.

882
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: How does she live? I think that, you know, her

883
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: mom was obviously a hoarder and was making her steel

884
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: CDs from Sam Goodie and using her wheelchair as a cover.

885
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: That was insane, so insane. I do think that, like,

886
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, being out of prison, you are going to

887
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: have this desire to accumulate material things.

888
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: Definitely, But I think she also recognized her mom with

889
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: such a hoarder, so I don't think she's gonna go

890
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 3: that mode. I mean, I do think she still probably

891
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: like does love home goods and is going to home

892
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: goods like being like this is so cute.

893
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that they're like condo outside of

894
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: New Orleans or whatever.

895
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 3: Because they had to move from Missouri by.

896
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: The court, so like for her parole reasons whatever, and

897
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: like they're like, you're gonna kill more moms.

898
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: And miss well, it was this whole thing about like

899
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: the Chiefs because she's such a Chiefs fan. They were like,

900
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: we want you out for the super Bowl because like

901
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: there's too much going on Missouri right now.

902
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: We can't keep track of both the super Bowl and

903
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose at the same time time. It's too much

904
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: for the government.

905
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: Taylor shifted Gypsy Rose. Basically, they were like, not the

906
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: same state. Two queens can't be in the same state.

907
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Two queens, two queendoms.

908
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm imagining like a stunning micro fiber.

909
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Thirty I think, yeah, thirty couples, and like it's like

910
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: a dark, big microfiber couch. I think it's like a

911
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: brown carbet. I think there is like a raught iron

912
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, eight tier bookcase, and then like you know,

913
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: family is where the home is, like the kind.

914
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: Of the classic Live laf love stuff. I think probably

915
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: a lot of like family photos of her and her dad,

916
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: who in this ebook has like so many nineties grails.

917
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the dad in the dock seems like

918
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: pretty cool.

919
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 3: No, the dad is like cat.

920
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: He is like such a mom, is like so fun.

921
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: And when he puts on like a beige pork pie

922
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: hat and she's like nope, oh yes, and he puts

923
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: a gray pork pi hat and she's like, there you.

924
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: That's the one. And he has like he is a

925
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 3: sexy Southern accent and he's wearing like noosies and pork.

926
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Pies and yeah, he's also very Cajun.

927
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: He's my adult.

928
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: Okay, what does she eat?

929
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 6: Well?

930
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: She wants to try she wants to try Mexican food.

931
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: She never tried it in prison.

932
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I don't know if I like Mexican

933
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: food yet, but I'm gonna try it. And she's like,

934
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: who knows, Maybe when I get out of here, I'm

935
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: going to be a food and wine connoisseur. And I

936
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: was like, okay me, oh, she's I love to make

937
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: silly voices and practice exotic accents as I'm a clown.

938
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: I love dictionaries. I don't expect those things to go

939
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 3: away when I'm ninety, but in the future, after I'm released,

940
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: I might become a food or wine connoisseur, or take

941
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: a figure skating or own my own business. It's such

942
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: a shop of light.

943
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I think she probably enjoys going to Walmart and buying

944
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: like a ton of like pre cut a rite up potatoes,

945
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: but then it's also getting like do you think she's

946
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: like buying an egg plant, just being like I don't

947
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna do with it, but I'm buying

948
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: it because it's cool looking.

949
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

950
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: I think so she's like, let's do it, and it's

951
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: like holding up being like, oh my god, Ryan like

952
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: what is this and he's like laughing.

953
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like this is what I got in my pants?

954
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: My god, you're so crapy. Well again, she says he

955
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: makes a mean gumbo. But I think she wants to

956
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: try new cuisines. I feel like she is gonna try

957
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: a flatbread and be wowed.

958
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I feel like she's probably getting into sushi.

959
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, sosh drizzled the fuck with some spicy mayo.

960
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say this because I've been to

961
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Greater New Orleans Vietnamese food. I don't know if she's

962
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: at Bon Me yet, but I think she's within me.

963
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: She's going to discover about me for sure.

964
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: Do you think fu will be too triggering because of

965
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: like it is more organ tripe based and like after

966
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 3: the mom's like cow tongue spells.

967
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, could be.

968
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: I see her looking tom yum soup.

969
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't can't wait for her tie era? Okay,

970
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: who are you in the book?

971
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

972
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I guess I am Gypsy Roads in the sense that

973
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: like or I'm the mom in the sense that I'm

974
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: like giving myself be my own daughter a stomach ache

975
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: to go watch soap operas.

976
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: Definitely, and I'm so Melissa like pretending I don't know

977
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: gossip where I'm like, wait, Gypsy, what do you mean

978
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: by that?

979
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

980
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you are a fake. So I give this

981
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: e book. I'm gonna go and say like three point

982
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: seven bloody knives out of five because it's fun, it's quick, literally,

983
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: it's a pdf. I appreciate that she took time to

984
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: tell her story. It's pretty Christian. You know, there's more

985
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: than I would have thought about, like life in prison.

986
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: I think maybe there could be obviously, Like.

987
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: Well, as she says, I think she's like, I want

988
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: to do a memoir.

989
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: But like I think, for who she is and what

990
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: she's been through, this is a pretty well well measured,

991
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: well balanced exploration. Yeah.

992
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: I think I would give it three point seven three

993
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: point eight tubes out of five. Yeah, just for what

994
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: she's been through where she is now to have kind

995
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: of the humor and the reflection about like being angry

996
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 3: but also feeling bad and grief and love and daily

997
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: life anecdotes.

998
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, gypsy, what for telling your story. We wish

999
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: you many murder free years to come.

1000
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: You are mother, Continue to mother, Stay mothers, stay mother,

1001
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: best Best.

1002
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: This show was executive produced by Christina Everett, who is

1003
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: currently in jail for the murder of her cousin who

1004
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: was a cruise ship director. And she murdered and I

1005
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: met S and so she's actually in prison at S.

1006
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: It was produced by Darby Masters, who is also currently

1007
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: doing seven years at a minim security prison Upstate for

1008
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: conspiring to murder a cat, which is fucked up that

1009
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: she's not in a maximum security prison for that, because

1010
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: I think cats are people too. The supervising producer was

1011
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Speaker 1: Abu Zafar, who actually passed away at dani Mora Correctional Institute,

1012
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Speaker 1: which is also Upstatement, is actually a maximum security prison.

1013
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Speaker 1: He was trying to escape and he strangled himself with

1014
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Speaker 1: a bed sheet. It was incredible, silly, It was a

1015
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1016
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Speaker 1: who also did the theme song for the Alcatraz tour,

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Speaker 1: and the graphic design was of a Teddy Blanks who

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