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Speaker 2: She's covered the mafia, the Camora.

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Speaker 5: Where are you from?

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Speaker 6: I was born in small town in the province of Palermo.

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Speaker 1: No, he didn't know too.

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Speaker 6: Something about the was the grandmother.

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Speaker 1: My great great grandmother. My family's prevailing theory of Lorenzo's

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Speaker 1: My dad used the words witch and healer almost interchangeably. Now,

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Speaker 2: So this is Lorenza.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's severe.

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Speaker 2: She's severe, right, she.

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Speaker 6: The eyes and the face it looks letely like him.

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Speaker 4: Die for.

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Speaker 5: How old do you think she is?

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Speaker 5: It's hard living.

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Speaker 1: Despite spending all that time with my dad, Chiero is

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Speaker 6: You know, really, that the mafia heal a woman is

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Speaker 8: That's all he told me. And your father had his

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Speaker 8: Now, your father said that she killed the mayor's son

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Speaker 8: Maybe that's true, but we were told she was killed

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Speaker 1: The thing about both of these theories is that We've

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is I have to get to

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Speaker 6: Of the town. Okay, didn't sell that, ya yats seem

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Speaker 1: Way, we make our way to the Commune that's the

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Speaker 2: I'm a little worried we might be told to get

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Speaker 1: There's a book for everything, and look at look, look,

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Speaker 1: We're standing in the open foyer of the commune me Kate,

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Speaker 2: It's sort of a.

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Speaker 1: it's got records dating back hundreds of years. It has

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Speaker 1: dude here. We hand him the death certificate and now

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Speaker 1: he's back there. We can see into this back room

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Speaker 2: Is this the history book? And he explains that one.

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Speaker 1: Of the shelves has the big book of death, and

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Speaker 1: there's one of these big books of death for every

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Speaker 1: single year. So we asked the town administrator, Senior Garado,

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Speaker 1: through the translator, of course I can't do this. We

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Speaker 1: ask to see the records pertaining to all deaths in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, to see if there's actually a record for

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Marsala there.

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Speaker 2: And he's got the book.

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Speaker 6: He's got the book.

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Speaker 4: We ask him, well, can we can?

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Speaker 2: We ask if we can go back and see the book?

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Speaker 5: Can we can we go back?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 10: Are we allowed the book?

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Speaker 2: Can we see it?

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Speaker 10: Libro?

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Speaker 1: So the book describes how everyone in town died, Yes.

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Speaker 10: When when it died, when they died, and when it died.

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Speaker 1: No, he said, because of privacy that we can't bring

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Speaker 1: the book's bring the book, Senior Grotto pages through the book.

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Speaker 1: He looks very disinterested. He's got that same look of

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Speaker 1: every bureaucratic official since the beginning of time.

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Speaker 5: So that goes from when went when.

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Speaker 1: Quest Most of us in the room do not speak Italian,

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Speaker 1: and so we are not sure what's happening at first,

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Speaker 1: gradas flipping through the beginning of the book, going back

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Speaker 1: and forth with our translator, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 11: Ask you about because of that, and the first time

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Speaker 11: he said that he could have died home, but then

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Speaker 11: he realized that he sured that he it's a lot ends.

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Speaker 10: Sorry.

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Speaker 11: She she should have died in the hospital because there's

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Speaker 11: another party, says to be to be mince when it's

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Speaker 11: just one means and was she was died at home.

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Speaker 10: She died at the age of fifty four.

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Speaker 11: Got young, Yeah, young, especially in small towns and the

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Speaker 11: people in average she lives from eighty five ninety years

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Speaker 11: really wow.

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Speaker 5: So does he think he has more records or no?

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Speaker 10: Yes, he stopped checking. Whether you have more records or no?

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Speaker 1: No luck, no, Lorenza, he hasn't been able to find

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Speaker 1: her death record. We're trying to piece together their conversation

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Speaker 1: using my very very bad Italian. And then then we

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Speaker 1: grasp that he was looking in section A of the book,

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Speaker 1: Seria A of the book.

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Speaker 2: And there's two parts to this book, and all we

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Speaker 2: know now is that Lorenzo wasn't in the first part.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean? What is the second part

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Speaker 2: of the book?

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Speaker 11: There are the documents report that says the real cause

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Speaker 11: of the dean.

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Speaker 10: The record doesn't have that, So what is he telling us.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize this at the time, but in that

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Speaker 1: last bit, our translator Ettore was just speculating with Senor

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Speaker 1: Gatto about how neither of them think this was a murder,

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Speaker 1: and that I am just some crazy American with a

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Speaker 1: crazy idea about my crazy family. They are just humoring

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Speaker 1: us right now. And to be honest, I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: doubt it too. She's not even in the Book of Death.

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Speaker 1: Maybe my family has never found anything here because there

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Speaker 1: is nothing to find, and maybe I've dragged my husband,

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Speaker 1: my children, and Kate across an ocean on a wild

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Speaker 1: goose chase for nothing.

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Speaker 6: But then.

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Speaker 2: Senior Grotto flips to the back of the book.

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Speaker 11: Okay, she didn't die at home because war, maybe to

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Speaker 11: an accident, because there's no.

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Speaker 1: Turns out that the Book of Death has two sections

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Speaker 1: Saria A and Saria B. Grotto and our translator, because

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Speaker 1: they did not believe that this was a murder only

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Speaker 1: looked in section A. Section A is for deaths by

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Speaker 1: natural causes, death's happened in the home, deaths that were expected.

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Speaker 1: Section B Sarah B is for deaths by unnatural causes

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Speaker 1: like an accident or a murder. And when Grado flips

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Speaker 1: to the section of unnatural deaths February twenty sixth, nineteen sixteen,

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Speaker 1: end writing Lorenz of Marsala. There's her name right there.

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