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Speaker 1: in the late sixteen hundreds. Well, in like food not bombs.

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Speaker 1: The primary motivation informing chapters is less a desire to

424
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: be a part of a specific organization and more adherence

425
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: to a set of values and beliefs. Like it is

426
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a um, so what are their

427
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 1: beliefs there a Crucians, Um, they're broadly they're they're not

428
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: a secular organization, but they are broadly like pro science

429
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: and pro kind of natural like using kind of natural

430
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: science to gain more knowledge about the world. But there

431
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: are there are also there are elements of religious mysticism,

432
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: to it as well, So they are kind of like

433
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: a Christian religious mystic tradition that is also pro science.

434
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: Would be the broadest way of describing it. I think, um,

435
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: yeah again, most of like if you if you read

436
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: like historians who are experts on this, they'll say that, like, well,

437
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: there were there are Rosicrucian chapters, Rosicrucian societies more than anything.

438
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: The accurate way to view it is as an intellectual

439
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: tradition that takes off across Europe, and the Rosicrucians are

440
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: very influential, not just in their own societies, but within Masonry.

441
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: A lot of Masons are Rosicrucians. And one of these

442
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 1: Rosicrucian Masons who's in Bavaria is a guy named Johann

443
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: von Volner who starts to organize a campaign against the

444
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: Illuminati based on some of these rumors that are spreading

445
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: in bars. He accuses y shopped not inaccurately, of promoting atheism.

446
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: In seventeen eighty three, four Illuminati members, all professors, are

447
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: arrested and interrogated. They broke basically immediately testifying that the

448
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: organization existed to disavow Christianity Furthermore, they said, the Illuminati

449
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: and this is the thing that really pisses off everyone

450
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: supports the right to commit suicide. Interesting. Yeah, that is

451
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: a huge part of the campaign against them, that they

452
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: are pro people having the right to commit suicide and

453
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: also the pro abortion. Like this, this is this is

454
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: very I mean, this is not uncontroversial today. Yeah, so

455
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: you can see why a bunch of dudes talking this

456
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: kind of shit in the late seventeen hundreds are going

457
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: to piss off the powers that be. And one of

458
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: those these these university elites are talking about having bodily

459
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: autonomy and voting and and and and not liking any

460
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of deity. They're they're they're closing themselves off from

461
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: the great blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. Yea, yeah, Yeah,

462
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 1: it's very because it's the it's complicated because they're all

463
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of like they've created this like very weird

464
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: like series of lies to hide it. But like the

465
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: core of illuminid ideology is people should be autonomous over

466
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: their own bodies and maybe voting is better than kings. Yeah. Um,

467
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: which up until about seven years ago, was not a

468
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: particularly controversial thing to preach in the West. Yeah. So

469
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: word gets out about all of these these scandalous deeds

470
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: to the King of Prussia, who orders the Berlin Lodge

471
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: seized by police. In this in the Berlin Lodge are

472
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: files and files of y Shop's political and social theories,

473
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: all of which are deeply heretical. So this pisses off

474
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: everybody even more, and an order is issued to the

475
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: Freemasons by the King to cut all ties with the Illuminati.

476
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: The Mason swiftly disavowed the Illuminati, and Adam vyshopped, you know,

477
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: finds himself kind of cut out and left in the cold, right,

478
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: But as Cred goes through the roof, and then oh my,

479
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: imagine all of the discourse going on at the time. Oh,

480
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: it would be fascinating stuff. If all these people had

481
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: had Twitter, it's so interesting. Go to Twitter threads and

482
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: just like Randdom, people complaining about what's going on. Yeah,

483
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I hear they let you, I hear, I hear they

484
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: believe in the right to kill yourself. It would have

485
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: been quite a time. So by seventeen eighty five, the

486
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Illuminati has been banned in Bavaria and all the cross

487
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: Prussia bishopped attempted to carry on, and this time he's

488
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: kind of truly underground because it is now in a

489
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: legal secret society, and for a while they're able to

490
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: keep up contact between the different parts of the Illuminati.

491
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: They've got like writers traveling between these hidden lodges, bringing

492
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: like correspondence and books between them and stuff. And one

493
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: of these guys who's also one of Oishop's closest advisors,

494
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: is a man named Jacob Lands, and he is traveling

495
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: from one cell in Bavaria to another Illuminati cell one

496
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: day with like a big bag full of books and

497
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: paperwork when he gets struck by lightning. Okay, so it's cool.

498
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of detail that I've given in this story,

499
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: like smoke about like specific conversations people had. We know

500
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: that because this guy gets struck by lightning and his

501
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: corps is found by the cops, and being German police,

502
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: they take it all into evidence and it's preserved to

503
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: this day. That's why all this is known, right, Like

504
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: all of these papers were taken into evidence, and like

505
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: people who do care about the actual history can go

506
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: read them like it's still available. This is like this

507
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: is like this is like getting arrested when you're like

508
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: scrolling on signal and now, yeah, a big problems and

509
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: you got smited, yes, and yes, it's like you were

510
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: clearly killed by God. They find your body with your

511
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: phone open and they're like sweet, it's like some discworld

512
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: shit and discworld. No one's an atheist because the gods

513
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: go around and fucking murder you. Um, I'm going to

514
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: read a quote from the book Illuminati Again. Most damning

515
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: of the indictments were the set of instructions drawn up

516
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: by Why Shopped and Extress and addressed to the ostensibly

517
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: active Illuminati members in Silesia. The members in Silesia were

518
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: ordered to spy on the officials, engage the authorities knowledge

519
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: and opinions of the order. They were also asked to

520
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: provide input on who it was they believed had rated

521
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: out to the authorities. So like, literally it is he's

522
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: open with his signal for his like crime loop being like, hey, guys,

523
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: spy on the government. Is this has gotten considerably more

524
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: cool like the past development. Yeah, so obviously the police

525
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: don't like this and neither does the government. So there

526
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: are more raids on more Illuminati safe houses because now

527
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: they know where all of them are Um, they find

528
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: more documents in the homes. They're a problem with this

529
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: style of organization. Let's just be honest. Yeah, yeah it is.

530
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: And another problem is that again why shopped has continued

531
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: putting out propaganda lying about the real nature of the Illuminati.

532
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: So when they raid this dead guy's house they find

533
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: all of these these like pamphlets about how the Illuminatis

534
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: secret leadership has total mental control over its members and

535
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: like they can't they can be commanded to do anything

536
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: and all. This is this is why you never ship

537
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: post on Twitter, because it's going to be in court

538
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: against you. They were ship posting. It gets the middle

539
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. There are also other documents found order

540
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: arguing in favor of the right to abortion, the right

541
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: of suicide, and in favor of atheism, all of which

542
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: is dope. And now I'm going to read another quote

543
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: from that book. That's very funny. You're gonna like this

544
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: garrison most eye catching of all with a blue prints

545
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: fends scrupulous machinery and devices. Each diagram was given its

546
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: own description. For example, there was one for printing knockoff

547
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: official seals. Another showed a safe of sorts equipped with

548
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: multiple locks, which would be used to stash classified documents.

549
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: The last showed a device that produced false receipts which

550
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: could be used for underground abortions, and one of the

551
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: folders there was even evidence found of why Shop procuring

552
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: an abortion for his sister in law, which is like,

553
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: this is exactly yeah. Yeah, Now they're not just advocating abortion,

554
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: they're literally helping create the infrastructure to allow Yeah, it

555
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: kind of seems like what happens because again five shops

556
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: motivation is like I want to trade and move and

557
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: like push illegal books on scholars and once they get

558
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: actually banned as an organization, he's like, well, I guess

559
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: let's create an underground abortion railroad. Yeah, which is we're doing.

560
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: What we're doing is already a crime. Now we might

561
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: as well just do other crimes. Yeah. Unfortunately the Lightning guy.

562
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: But you know, it was a good effort. It was

563
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: a noble attempt. So the media at the time goes

564
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: into overdrive at this point, painting the Illuminati as a

565
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: conspiracy to overthrow all of the governments of the world. Now,

566
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: this is far yet they hadn't they did want to, Okay,

567
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: that is fair to say they weren't pro overthrowing the

568
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: governments of the world. They just didn't really and probably

569
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: never would have had the ability to actually do this.

570
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: And of course it's also worth noting most Illuminati members

571
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: knew very little, if anything, of this. Yeah. In seventeen

572
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: eighty seven, the same year the United States got its constitution,

573
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: the Elector of Bavaria prescribed beheading for anyone found associated

574
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: with the Illuminati. They are. It's interesting because they don't

575
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: kill anyone over this. They arrest a bunch of people.

576
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: There are a number of folks, including y Shopped, are

577
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: forced out of Bavaria. They have to like leave. But

578
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: the folks who are like charged and like get in

579
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: trouble and stay in Bavaria. They're allowed to keep living

580
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: their lives. But they have a bunch of prescriptions placed

581
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: against them. One of them is that they can never

582
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: communicate with anyone else who was in the Illuminati, even

583
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: if they're like at a bar having a beer, Like,

584
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: they can be punished for so much as communicating with

585
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: anyone who had ever been in the Illuminati. I mean

586
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: that still happens. I've had friends be like you can't

587
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: talk to any other earth first or including your boyfriend

588
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: ever again. Yep, it's another another tragic piece of continuity

589
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: in radical history. So Adam flees the country. He winds

590
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: up kind of holing up in a nearby city called Regensburg,

591
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: where the local government offers him a yearly salary if

592
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: he promises not to make any more secret societies. They

593
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: put them on that eater, Like Adam, like, we'll give

594
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: you money. Stop doing this a huge problem for everybody

595
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: that's wild. It's like it's like so funny. It's like

596
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a government pay you not

597
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: to not to like write anywhere anarchist text. Don't don't

598
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: make any znes. We'll give you a salary if you

599
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: stopped making znes. That's so funny. Um, as far as

600
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: we as far as we know, he takes it. Now,

601
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: there are conspiracies that he basically goes underground and either

602
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: sins agents or travels to the US and starts spreading

603
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: spreading Illuminati values there. Um. But yeah, as far as

604
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: we know he obeyed the edict. We we have a

605
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of what he spent his life doing.

606
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Just because he writes a shitload more books. Um, he

607
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: writes and these are all like, basically, he spins the

608
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: rest of his life writing books and pamphlets defending the

609
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Illuminati against allegations against He's basically continually yeah, he's basically

610
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: having like the eighteenth century equivalent of a flame war

611
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life, which is like thirty

612
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: five more years, forty five more years. He kind of

613
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: never gets over this, and he's always angry that people

614
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: have unfairly judged the Illuminati. But he dies around eighteen thirty.

615
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Doctor Tony Page, who translated one of Adam's defenses of himself,

616
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: summarized the man's life this way. Wischat's plan was to

617
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: educate Illuminati followers in the highest levels of humanity and

618
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: the morality, based on his teachings on the supremacy of reason,

619
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: allied with the spirit of the golden rule of not

620
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: doing to others what one would not wish done to

621
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: one's self, so that if the Illuminati alumnis subsequently attained

622
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: positions of significance and power, they could exert a benevolent

623
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: and uplifting influence upon society at large. His project was

624
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: utopian and naively optimistic, and he himself was certainly not

625
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: without flaws of character, but neither he nor his plan

626
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: was evil or violent in and of themselves. It is

627
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: one of the deplorable and tragic ironies of history that

628
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: a man who tried to inculcate virtue, philanthropy, social justice,

629
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: and morality has become one of the great hate figures

630
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: of twenty first century conspiracy thinking. And that is that

631
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: is kind of sad um, Yeah, that that is not

632
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the legacy that you would want, as like a guy

633
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: whose goal was to kind of spread enlightenment and knowledge

634
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Speaker 1: in a more open society that like, you become sort

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Speaker 1: of the central figure of obsession for the people who

636
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: work to destroy that society. What's pieces of it get built?

637
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: That is, I can't really think of another story that's

638
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: bleak in exactly that specific way. The whole the whole

639
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: lineage of this illuminati thing has such an interesting like

640
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: backfire effect. Yeah, it makes me like contemplate what what

641
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: types of tactics are worth are worth using when in

642
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: this in this type of like long term, long term

643
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: strategy of like passing down knowledge. Yeah, And I think

644
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: an argument could be made that, like, well, probably part

645
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: of why this backfire so much is that as much

646
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Speaker 1: as he was committed to these Enlightenment virtues of openness,

647
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: and like reason, he did it by lying and pretending

648
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: to be teaching people magic. Like so maybe the fact

649
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: that maybe that's part of why things went so bad,

650
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: it's probably not a non factor. Yeah, I mean, and

651
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: it's like there's a reason that, say, at least leftism,

652
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: at least anarchism does a similar trajector does this trajectory

653
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: where you start off with like baccoon and is really

654
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: into secret societies, and then eventually anarchists start moving away

655
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: from sort of conspiratorial work and towards this like open

656
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: organizing still of crime. Right, like in the nineteen twenties,

657
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: I think in Germany the main people who were providing

658
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 1: abortions were syndicalists. And syndicalism is literally just a method

659
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: by which to do crime at scale, but it's like

660
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: open instead of closed, and it uses different types of

661
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: things in order to provide safety. And it's interesting because

662
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's a Bishops a little early

663
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: to be calling there are very few people in this

664
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Speaker 1: period calling themselves anarchists. No, No, I don't think anyone

665
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: is at this point. Yeah, But I mean, like just

666
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: in terms of realism, but people did it is interesting

667
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: people did, like elites in Europe who were angry and

668
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: opposed to the Illuminati did accuse him of being an anarchist. Oh. Interesting,

669
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: not unlike the pope, because again it's not that's not

670
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: a term with much political meaning at that point, but

671
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: it just means terrorist at the exact exactly. And I

672
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: think he if he'd been a century lead, he might

673
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: have been. I don't think he would have been a syndicalist.

674
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: He was kind of no, very fundamentally an elitist, right, Yeah,

675
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: that's why the Illuminati is what it is. He would

676
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: have been Blancy. Oh, I don't know much about them.

677
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Is the French guy who kind of predates Lenin in

678
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: some ways. It's like it's kind of like a vanguardist. Yeah,

679
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: very vanguardists, right, like you have to have this party

680
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: and they have to hold power in certain ways to themselves.

681
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, part of the story here is that we

682
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: are still dealing with the side effects of how problematic

683
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: that can be because all a lot of this is

684
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: going to echo on through the ages. But you know

685
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: what will echo on through the ages, most the dulcet

686
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: tone gold these messages these to get you to buy

687
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: the gold. The products and services that support this podcast

688
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: are like those pillars in the desert that are built

689
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: to warn future people away from nuclear waste sites, but

690
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: instead they're there to tell future people where value is

691
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: and what promo codes they can use to get access

692
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: to truly quality products and services. So have a gaze

693
00:39:49,760 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: at that. Ah, we're back. So the Illuminati they fall

694
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: apart in kind of the mid to late seventeen eighties,

695
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: and not all that long after the Illuminati gets banned

696
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: and threatened with beheadings if they try to reform in

697
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Speaker 1: seventeen huh, yeah, that's leg Yeah, right right around the

698
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: time they start to be purged, the French Revolution starts,

699
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: and not that long after, you know, it all comes

700
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to an end in seventeen ninety nine. That's when the

701
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: French Revolution kind of comes to its end, right after

702
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: about a decade of pretty gnarly shit, would it would

703
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: be fair to say, And the nature of the French Revolution,

704
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: the fact that it comes so suddenly, the fact that

705
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: it is so bloody, that it is such it so

706
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: radically up ends the power balance in Europe. It's one

707
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: of these things that like particularly elites in Europe, cannot

708
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: believe could happen organically. Now, obviously, if you actually look

709
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: at the history of the French Revolution, it makes total

710
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: sense everything economically that's happening, the measures of the ferment

711
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: takes kind of as resistance to it spreads, like the

712
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: different kinds of austerity that people are asked to endure.

713
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: It makes total sense that there's a revolution, and it

714
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: makes total sense anytime there's a revolution, there's a pretty

715
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: good chance it's going to turn into a killing spree.

716
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: But people in Europe are like not normal people, like elites,

717
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: particularly rich people in like England, are like something, this

718
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: can't have happened organically, Like there must have been some

719
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: sort of conspiracy behind this, And so they start looking

720
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: at like, well, what are these French revolutionaries, Like what

721
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: are these people? Especially if the early stages, like what

722
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: are the three things they're all shouting for? Liberty, egality,

723
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: and fraternity? Right, well, those are the same things the

724
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Illuminati advocated. Yeah, we've we've just purged this thing in

725
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Central Europe that came out of the Masons that are

726
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: speaking for this, and then there's a revolution just a

727
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: few years later. Once these guys go underground in France.

728
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: That can't be just a coincidence, right, Yeah, so I'm wondered.

729
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: I now understand the connection. Thank you Robert for doing

730
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: this podcast. Explain the French The Bavarian Illuminati caused the

731
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: French Revolution. Oh yes, of a problematic number of people

732
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: are going to become convinced of that, Margaret. And one

733
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: of those guys was an abbot. Again all these Catholic

734
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: motherfuckers is always Yeah, it's an abbot named Augustine Berwell.

735
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: And another guy who gets convinced is John Robinson, and

736
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Robinson writes attract with a banger title Proofs of a

737
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: conspiracy against all the religions and governments of Europe, carried

738
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: on in the secret meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati, and Reading societies.

739
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Serious banger of a title. Now, I love Howers used

740
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: to be. I want to kind of go into some

741
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: detail about how wrong he is, especially when he connects

742
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: like the Masons and Reading societies to the overthrow of

743
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the French government. Because the Freemasons are, as we talked about,

744
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: influential and spreading Enlightenment ideas, particularly in France. But one

745
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: of the things that's happening in France with the Masons

746
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: is that, like pretty much alone in the rest of Europe,

747
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: in France the Masons admit women. And this is because

748
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: France is just a lot more advanced one and this

749
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: is before the French Revolution, right, they start taking in

750
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: female members and they are female Masonic lodges, which doesn't

751
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: really happen anywhere else. This is going to be an

752
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: extended digression, but I think it's worthwhile because what happens

753
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: here is fascinating. I'm going to quote again from Janet

754
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: Burke's paper in the Journal of the History of European Ideas.

755
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: Quote as they ascended to ever higher degrees, always after

756
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: having mastered and lived the ideas and feelings of the

757
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: preceding degree. The women were exposed to the Enlightenment concepts

758
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: of liberty, equality, and even a budding, uniquely eighteenth century

759
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: form of feminism. They were taught to understand their rights

760
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: as women and demand them from the world dominated by men.

761
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: Yet the force of fraternity remained strong. In each degree.

762
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Bonds with both their Masonic sisters and their sisters outside

763
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: the lodges were solidified through the ritual process. The powerful

764
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: rituals the emotional bonds of sisterhood, the assertiveness of their

765
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: incipient feminism, and the novel feelings of friendship as a

766
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: union of virtuous souls made their impact on these women

767
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: and altered the way they faced their day to day tasks.

768
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: From the wives of judicial nobility heavily populating some of

769
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: the provincial lodges of adoption to the glittering court lodges

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00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: in Paris, powerful women worked both alone and with their

771
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: husbands to alter environments outside the lodge, just as they

772
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: had done behind the closed doors of their temples. An

773
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: intense spirit of independence, strong dedication to charity, an interest

774
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: in new ideas, and profound loyalty to friends characterized many

775
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: of these women. So contrad to this conspiracy theory, the

776
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Freemasons in France are part of the ruling class. Now,

777
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: there's a contribute, a contribution that is made to the

778
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: revolution in that anytime you have a revolution, it often

779
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: is preceded by an authoritarian regime, slightly opening up aspects

780
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: of society and an attempt to release steam. This is

781
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: a thing that has happened in a number of cases.

782
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: There's a piece of that going on here. But it's

783
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: interesting to discuss kind of how integrated to the power

784
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: structure female Masons often were. Princess Marie de l'embald, superintendent

785
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: of the household of Queen Marie Antoinette, was one such

786
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: a lady Mason. She was outspoken, a reformer who got

787
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: in constant trouble for her refusal to throw the kind

788
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: of giant, expensive, hideously wasteful parties that the French royal

789
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: family was known for. This is a problem when you're

790
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: the superintendent of the queen's household. So eventually she gets

791
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: fired because she's like protesting against the wastefulness of this

792
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of lifestyle that the court has, and she's pushed

793
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: out of court until the revolution breaks out in seventeen

794
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Now, when that happens, all of the queen's

795
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: like friends abandon her right, all of these kind of

796
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: courtly friends who'd been attending the parties. Marie de l'ambald,

797
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: she's very much invested in these Masonic attitudes of fraternity,

798
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: which for female Masons, a big part of what the

799
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: female like Masonic lodges are pushing is not just solidy

800
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: with other female Masons, but cross feminine solidarity in a

801
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: society that's male dominated. So even though she'd gotten fired

802
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: by the queen for her beliefs, the Lambald comes back

803
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: after the revolution breaks out to stand by her because

804
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: of this kind of attitude of radical solidarity that she

805
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: feels like she has to show for the Queen. Interesting

806
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: she stays with her until the end, and in fact,

807
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: when they are all captured by revolutionaries, Marita Lambald is beheaded.

808
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Her corps is mutilated and it is left directly in

809
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: front of the Queen's cell, so she has to look

810
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: at it while her head is paraded around Paris. Now

811
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that's a bummer of a story, but I bring it

812
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: up because it is also shows another really weird continuity

813
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: to modern day conspiracy theorists starting in the seventeen nineties

814
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: claimed the Masons in the Illuminati had started the revolution.

815
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: In reality, a good number of the people massacred in

816
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the terror were Masons. And this is kind of the

817
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: start of a long pattern in conspiracy culture of blaming

818
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: victims for their complicity and some sort of convoluted scheme

819
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: that they were actually the victims of rather than the

820
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: perfect ms. That goes back pretty far too well, that's

821
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: what's always so funny about all this is like you're like, oh,

822
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: the connection of QAnon and stuff, which I'm excited to

823
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: hear more about later. But it's like, the cranks are

824
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: not the conspiracists. They're the conspiracy theorists. The people who

825
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: spent around the conspiracy is the people conspiring about the conspiracy. Yeah,

826
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the conspiracy. The conspiracy is Marie de Lombald being having

827
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: like coming to the conclusion that it is important to

828
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: show radical solidarity with other women and then dying for it. Likes,

829
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: that's the conspiracist in this case. Right. Anyway, none of

830
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: what actually happens in France matters because by this point

831
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: it has become a conspiracy theory, and in very short order,

832
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: Barrowell and Robinson's tracks traveled across the pond to a

833
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: little place you might have heard of called the United

834
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: States of America, where a Massachusetts ministers. Oh you're not

835
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna like it anymore, is the story goes on, Margaret.

836
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: A Massachusetts minister named Jedediah Morse comes across them, and

837
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: he grows obsessed with the Illuminati, which he decides is

838
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: still out there and was clearly responsible for why things

839
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: in France went so bad, so he dedicates he starts

840
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: preaching and writing tracks about how the Illuminati is out

841
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: there trying to quote, root out, and abolish Christianity and

842
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: overturn all civil government. Now, Jedediah Morse is a textbook

843
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: author as well as a preacher, so he had a

844
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Speaker 1: lot of influence. And his ship spreads, and it spreads,

845
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Speaker 1: and it spreads. On May nineteenth, seventeen ninety eight, President

846
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Speaker 1: John Adams had proclaimed a day of solemn humiliation, fasting,

847
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: and prayer, but Morse did not give a lecture on

848
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Speaker 1: any of those topics. From a write up and slate

849
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Speaker 1: quote in that day's speech, Morse unspooled a bizarre conspiracy theory,

850
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: alleging that a shadowy cabal the villains called the Illuminati,

851
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: an offshoot of the Freemasons, were aiming to destroy everything

852
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: that Americans held dear. This group of philosophers, zealous, according

853
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: to Morse, had secretly extended its branches through a great

854
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: part of Europe and even into America. Their goal was

855
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: to abolish Christianity, private property in nearly every foundation of

856
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: good order around the world. According to Morse, they opposed marriage,

857
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: encouraged people to explore all kinds of sensual pleasures and

858
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: proposed a promiscuous intercourse among the sexes. Oh shit, this

859
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: is just this is just your average Yeah, he has

860
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: a normal Republican member of Congress. Yeah, so whereas like

861
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like yeah, yeah, I know that,

862
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: but just but notwith pretending like it's bad. Yeah yeah,

863
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: but that's all fine. Yeah, that's all like normal stuff. Yeah,

864
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue that quote. Morsk told his congregation

865
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: that the Illuminati hoped to infect the people of America

866
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: through a kind of cultural warfare. They were spreading their

867
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: doctrines by worming their way in among reading and debating societies.

868
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: The reviewers, journalists or editors of newspapers or other periodical publications.

869
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: The booksellers and postmasters. Oh my god, it's just the

870
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: culture wars coming for the libraries. The culture war has

871
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: never stopped. I bet those people protecting drag shows are

872
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: the Illuminati. Now. One of the things that Morse also

873
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: points out is that there are even some influential members

874
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: of the Founding Fathers who were illuminatus. You want to

875
00:50:53,640 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: guess who he names? Franklin, No, Jefferson, No, Neither those

876
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: guys are basing Pain. That's exactly right. Thomas Paine famed Illuminatus,

877
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: which is not me, is nothing but a compliment to

878
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Thomas Pain. Yeah, yeah, totally the only truly based Founding

879
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: father Franklin kept wanting to be based and they kept

880
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: being like, or I could buy people, and his friends

881
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: were like, no, you were against that. Yeah he gotta well,

882
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, he became an abolitionist. Um okay, yeah,

883
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: he just was not. Like. One of the things that

884
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: one of the reasons Pain gets picked is that Pain

885
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: is very, especially by the end of his life, very

886
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: anti christian He write, like, writes a book of critiques

887
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: against Christianity. Um yeah, in a way that's like, which

888
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: is like, you know, sketching at the time. This is

889
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, um, sometimes I'm not afraid like

890
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: writing a fucking book against Christianity, and yeah, I'm willing

891
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: to take a stand against Christianity in the year eighteen

892
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: hundred and fucking dot Ye it's yeah, he he's a

893
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: bold man. And again Morris is a piece of shit,

894
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: but solid pick from member of the illuminati among the

895
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Founding generation. Yeah. Yeah, the Bernie Sanders of the Yeah,

896
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: it was like, oh that guy, he's a little different frank. Yeah. Now,

897
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: other notable figures in America at the time who jumped

898
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: onto the Illuminati conspiracy bandwagon included the president of Yale

899
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: and the attitude like this guy's attitude. The Yale President's

900
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: attitude is that Americans have to come back to God

901
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to defeat this satanic conspiracy. Where religion prevails, Illuminism cannot

902
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: make disciples, a French directory, cannot govern a nation, cannot

903
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: be made slaves, nor villains, nor atheists, nor beasts. He

904
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: reminded his readers that if this dangerous society succeeded in

905
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: its plans, the children of evangelicals would be forced to

906
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: read the work of deists or become kuncubines of a

907
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: society that treated chastity is a prejudice, adultery is a virtue,

908
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: and marriage is a farce. Yeah, it's just all the same. Yeah,

909
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: specifically that the religious freedom is to not let their

910
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: children read stuff. That is the religious freedom that they need.

911
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because it gets framed a lot

912
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: as like, look at how crazy the GOP has gone.

913
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: But the only thing religious freedom has ever meant in

914
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: the context of the United States of America is the

915
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: freedom to stop your children from learning things. This is

916
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: the only supportable conclusion by the actual evidence. That is

917
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: what people who talk about religious freedom primarily mean in

918
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: a political sense in this country. I want the freedom

919
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: to stop my kid from encountering ideas other than what

920
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, totally just cool. Anyway, homeschooling is good.

921
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: So the mania over the Illuminati spread as far as

922
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: the former President of the United States, George Washington, who

923
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: stated that he was satisfied that the Illuminati had in

924
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: fact spread to the United States in an attempt to

925
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: destroy it. Abigail Adams recommended Robinson's book, which was basically

926
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: an unhinged conspiratorial screed to all of her friends. America's

927
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: founding fathers and mothers bought into the Illuminati conspiracy theories

928
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: so hard that some scholars argue had helped set a

929
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: tone for the new nation that has remained with it

930
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: ever since. In his infamous essay The Paranoid Style in

931
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: American Politics, which is probably the single most important piece

932
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: of reading anyone can read in order to understand the

933
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: American right wing in a meaningful way, Richard Hofstadter describes

934
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: how the anti Illuminati conspiracy hysteria of the seventeen nineties

935
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: merged with a broader anti Masonic movement in the eighteen

936
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties. At first, this movement may seem to

937
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: be no more than an extension or repetition of the

938
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: anti Masonic theme sounded in the outcry against the Bavarian Illuminati.

939
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: But whereas the panic of the seventeen nineties was confined

940
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: mainly to New England and linked to an ultra conservative

941
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: point of view, the later anti Masonic movement affected many

942
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: parts of the Northern United States and was intimately linked

943
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: with popular democracy and rule egalitarianism. Although anti Masonry happened

944
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: to be anti Jacksonian, Jackson was a Mason, it manifested

945
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: the same animus against the closure of opportunity for the

946
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: common man and against aristocratic institutions that one's finds in

947
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: the Jacksonian crusade against the Bank of the United States.

948
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: The anti Masonic movement was a product not merely of

949
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: natural enthusiasm, but also of the vicissitudes of party politics.

950
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: It was joined and used by a great many men

951
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: who did not fully share its original anti Masonic feelings.

952
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: It attracted the support of several reputable statesmen who had

953
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: only mild sympathy with its fundamental bias, but who as politicians,

954
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: could not afford to ignore it. Now, what does that

955
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: sound like? I mean, it's it's just all of it.

956
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: The thing I was thinking of when you're reading that

957
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: is just how much of the current stuff we're dealing

958
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: with now will be viewed in this same way in

959
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: like two hundred years, Like all the stuff around like

960
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: like like drag shows and COVID and all, like all

961
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: this type of thing is like that's it's like, this

962
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: will be viewed in this same weird, like weird like

963
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: conspiratorial legs in the future as there's like you know,

964
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: group groups of Antifa defending these drug shows and there's

965
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: people in the government talking about this organized efforts to

966
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. It's like it's it's it's all.

967
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: It's all the same style of conspiracism that just it's

968
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's always interesting to think that you're

969
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: like that you actually are like living through history and

970
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: no what what what what you're experiencing now will be

971
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: reminisced on the same way we reminisce on these weird

972
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: like these weird antium anti Mason movements and like the

973
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: early eighteen hundreds. Yeah, optimism about the continuation of society.

974
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I think the future at some point, the future version

975
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: of a podcaster, which will probably like be a guy

976
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: sitting around a barrel fire in the ruins of Chicago,

977
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: will tell all of this story, but with like an

978
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: extra couple of chapters of good stuff. Margaret, how do

979
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: you what's the best way to start a barrel fire?

980
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Is it lots of gasoline? I mean, that's the fastest

981
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: way to start. For the fastest way to start almost

982
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: two fire, is you take you take the mystery gas can,

983
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: because there's always a mystery gas can, Yeah, the one

984
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: that's been there for a few years past what you

985
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: want to try putting in your car. Yeah. And it's

986
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: also like you're not you don't remember. If it's diesel,

987
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: you don't remember, If it's a gas you don't remember.

988
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: If you added some oil to it. It might have

989
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: been the one that you did like one to five.

990
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: Maybe where you live floods a lot, and there might

991
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: have been like water might have gotten into it and

992
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: you're not sure. Yeah, the untrustworthy gas can. The untrustworthy

993
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: gas can is how you start a barrel fire. In

994
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: my experience, that is the best way to start a

995
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: barrel fire. That's why you got to rotate out your

996
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: your good and bad fucking fuel cans. Yeah, well label them. No, no, no,

997
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: that's never going to happen. I don't know. I'm like

998
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: eighty percent good at tasting the difference between diesel and

999
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: regular fuel. Um, see the people whom you know, the

1000
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: there was that campaign you can't drink oil or yeah,

1001
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: like so then all the yeah, well that was the

1002
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean kind of reasonably in some ways the right way.

1003
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: People would go on YouTube and then drink motor oil,

1004
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: like clean motor oil, not use motor oil, and be like, look,

1005
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of neutral. It's so funny. I think

1006
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: that we should have just gone harder with that and

1007
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: like basically tried to do like the gallon of milk challenge,

1008
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: but with I don't know, like diesel fuel. Just see

1009
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: what we can get them to do. Yeah, We're never

1010
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: the libs need to accept that we are never going

1011
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: to argue our way out of this. You cannot convince

1012
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: people of anything like about the irrationality of any of

1013
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: these movements, because they are based in irrationality. But we

1014
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: could probably get them to drink diesel fuel if we

1015
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: all work hard at it, and that would be really funny.

1016
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: This is what I'm going to read into the transcript.

1017
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: The bard who has this as a transcript to read

1018
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: around the barrel fire, got it from court transcripts. Yeah,

1019
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: thank you. After the entire state of Florida dies in

1020
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: a diesel accident, a freak diesel drinking accident, the remnants

1021
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: of Florida of the cool zone media, well, thank you

1022
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: for being a part of passing off this arcane knowledge

1023
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: to the to the future generation. You're all in a

1024
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: secret society. Tell anyone who asked that this podcast is

1025
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: just about you know, Hitler or whatever. That'll that'll get him, No,

1026
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: tell him it's true crime. Tell him. Tell him some

1027
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: broad got murdered and we're gonna like spend thirty hours

1028
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: talking about it. Anyway. The broad who got murdered was

1029
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: civil democracy. Yeah, Margaret got anything to plug? Yeah, I

1030
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: have a podcast. I don't know if if you're listening,

1031
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: if you like podcasts or not, but if you do,

1032
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe you like history podcasts, and if you do, I've

1033
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: got a podcast for you. It's called Cool People Who

1034
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff. It's available on Cool Oh yeah, yes,

1035
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: Schools on Media is still exists and has not been

1036
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: sued into oblivion by the remnants of Florida until we

1037
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: go down taking out Florida like gandal fighting the bowl

1038
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: rog Yeah, just falling into a bit together. Okay. As

1039
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: someone who lives in West Virginia, I have to be

1040
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit careful when you blanketly make fun of

1041
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: people of a state. But that said, look, man, I

1042
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: grew up in Texas. If there's one thing that entitles

1043
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: me to do, it's make fun of Florida. Yeah, okay,

1044
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: fair enough. And then also, if you want to make

1045
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: fun of a bunch of other people, you can read

1046
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: my book Escape from Insul Island, which is about making

1047
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: fun of insalls and then feeling sort of like trolls

1048
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: remorse halfway through writing it and actually start talking about

1049
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the prison industrial complex. Um. And that

1050
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: is available from Tangled Wilderness dot org. You can get

1051
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: it wherever you get books. Probably I don't know, hell yeah,

1052
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: hell yeah, Well be strange and a Tangled wilderness and

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Speaker 1: will continue to be normal. You're in not a tangled wilderness.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to ask Garrison if they have anything

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Speaker 1: they'd like to plug? Or is wow, just clear gar

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Speaker 1: Garrison is so secretive about what they do. Would they

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Speaker 1: would they want people to know? Would they want to

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Speaker 1: Why do you let them speak for themselves? I can't anyways,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe. I can't believe I'm facing this type

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Speaker 1: of discrimination. No, this is you're trying You're trying to

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Speaker 1: silence my uh my, my enlightened knowledge. But no, um,

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear about a collection of people

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Speaker 1: who the Georgia government, that is the state of the

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Speaker 1: State of Georgia alleges is a is a secret is

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Speaker 1: a secret coalition of of of organized people who are

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Speaker 1: who are who are fighting against the government. You can

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Speaker 1: listen to my recent series on the Defend the Alant

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Speaker 1: of Force movement and the different types of state repression

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Speaker 1: that they are facing using very similar kind of conspiratorial,

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Speaker 1: you know, group association type language to try to hurt

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Speaker 1: the people that are that are actually trying to stop

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Speaker 1: a force from being cut down. So that a batch

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Speaker 1: of four episodes just came out on it could happen here.

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Speaker 1: That is most of what I've been doing the past month.

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Speaker 1: Oh so go do that. Check out those episodes, which

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Speaker 1: should be out by the time this airs. Will certainly

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Speaker 1: be out by the time this airs. Um and and

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Speaker 1: go again. I really can't advise you enough. Go weld

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Speaker 1: galvanized steel without wearing a respirator. It will reveal to

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Speaker 1: you hidden truths from the sea masters of the world.

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Speaker 1: That's that's They're hidden in galvanized steel. It's like a

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Speaker 1: genie's bottle. You got to break it open. See, you

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Speaker 1: can fuck a genie, like that new Frank Miller movie,

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Speaker 1: which was pretty fucking dope in my opinion. Wait, what's

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Speaker 1: the movie where they fuck a genie? Oh, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like three thousand years of Solitude or something like that,

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Speaker 1: A thousand I forget the exact title. Something of Solitude,

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Speaker 1: but it's like it's Tilda Swinton fucking an indus Alba genie.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty dope. All right, I think you should. You

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Speaker 1: should tell people that, not specifically, the Liberals don't want

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Speaker 1: Biden is coming for your right to to stout respirator.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that too. Yeah, Joe Biden just said during

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Speaker 1: the State of the Union, the late part in it

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Speaker 1: that you didn't hear that he wants Americans to stop

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Speaker 1: Weldon galvanized steel without respirators. First they came, and now

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Speaker 1: they come for our A real alpha male m doesn't

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Speaker 1: word a respiratored. Oh god, it don't let that be

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Speaker 1: the last word of the podcast. It Cocked behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For more

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