WEBVTT - Squirrels, Feists and Mules 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.640 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network powered by 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.520 Interstate Batteries from your truck to your trail camera. Interstate 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.480 Batteries as you covered. Visit your local Interstate Batteries store 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.880 today or online at Interstate Batteries dot com. Interstate Batteries 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:27.640 Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.600 of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.200 host into the world of hunting the icon of North 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:40.520 American wilderness to bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation, 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.320 who will also bring you into some of the wildest 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:56.160 country on the planet chasing battery. On this episode of 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.880 the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast, I sit down with my 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:03.920 good friends Trail Autry and Michael Lanier and Brent Reeves 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.160 and we talk about a squirrel hunt that we went 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.840 on last Friday January in National Forest here in Arkansas, 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.080 and we were using mules. We were using mules as 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.160 our primary mode of transportation, and we were using these 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.840 fast dogs to treat these squirrels. We had a fantastic 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.000 time and we actually made a film about this hunt 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.720 that's gonna be released sometime next week in around uh 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:39.160 January eight, sometime in that range, we're gonna release this 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.800 film about squirrel hunting with face mules and it's a 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.520 ton of fun. So on this podcast you're gonna hear 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.400 a few excerpts from our actual hunt, but we're just 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.720 gonna sit down with Trey and Michael and Brent. We're 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.560 gonna hash out while they hunt with feist, hunting on 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.680 mules and just some good stories. I think you'll enjoy this, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.400 and many of you might, uh well, if you ask 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.880 this question, maybe this is in the podcast for you. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.280 But the question would be, if this is the Bear 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.960 Hunting Magazine podcast, why are they talking about squirrel hunting 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.440 with mules? And the answer is, Man, this podcast is 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.639 so much fun because we've just got liberty to to 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.400 to report on stuff that we're doing, and the bears 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.359 are asleep right now, and man, we're having fun and 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.680 other parts of the outdoors and and we're the Bear 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.080 Hunting Magazine podcast. We're gonna be talking about whatever we're 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:37.080 doing and just bringing to you positive things that are 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.160 going on in the outdoor world. And hey, let me 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.239 tell you what's going on that's positive right now in 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.560 the Ozark Mountains. Of Arkansas. It's some squirrel hunting. It 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.760 was tough. There's not much natural food this year. Squirrels 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.280 are There's just not a lot of squirrels, and the 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.040 squirrels that are here, they're hard to find. But we 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.560 had a great time. We made this film. We cooked 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.120 these squirrels that we did kill. We cooked them in 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.480 some bear fat from some lard that I rendered down 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.520 back in the fall. You're gonna enjoy this episode at 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:35.360 the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast Squirrels fice mules. How within 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.240 ten minutes of dropping the dogs off the mules, they 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.360 were treated. There's very little natural food in the Ozarks 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.040 this winter, and squirrel hunting has been extremely tough. We 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:53.040 were happy to get a quick treat. Here he is, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:20.840 he's timber, and Michael h here he is. Bam. One 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.280 shot to see that Ozark Mountain gray squirrel right there. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.240 Some people might look that I'd appreciate it. The three boys, dude, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.919 don't you Oh yeah, oh yeah, hey keep talking like 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:47.600 he's doing you know it. Today we are all recovering 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.800 from our from our hunt. Just a few days ago. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.839 We went on a We went on a squirrel hunt, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.520 and we use mules we use feists. We were trying 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.120 to cap lies on a lot of a lot of 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.279 different trained animals to give us a little bit of 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:10.000 an advantage over these Ozark Mountain squirrels. But today I've 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.200 got to my left, my good buddy Trey Autrey. I've 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:19.040 got Caddy corner Brent Reeves, who was with us on 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.760 this hunt. And we got our other buddy, Michael Lanier. Um, hey, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.440 you guys, introduce yourself. Just Tray, tell us who you got. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.839 You gotta start, Tray, you gotta start. I'm try all, Trey. Uh. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.720 I live in Prairie Grove out of Cove Creek. Uh, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.839 master squirrel hunter. I wouldn't go that far, but I 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.400 do like it and enjoy it. And uh, well what's 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.520 a great place to live a lot of things to 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:54.400 do outside? And uh, you know which where I live in? 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.200 I guess distance wives to that National Forks we were in, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.400 and I actually the place I live. It's kind of 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.200 like a golfer living on the course because I can 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.040 go outside and do anything I want to within about 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.520 five minutes. Man, I forgot how rugged that country is 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.520 over there. I mean, just driving down the county road 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.240 to get to your house. You drive past some bluffs 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.440 that looks like something out of Lord of the Rings 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.599 was a big old you know, these these these limestone 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.360 bluffs and the oz artist they crumble over just geologic time, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.000 and then they if they're on the north side of 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.000 the ridge, they'll just be these huge boulders the size 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.680 of your car, covered in moss. But there's some pretty 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.720 country out there. There's not much dirt. There's a lot 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.039 of rocks and a lot of hills. And that's why 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.320 I got that new That's why you got that mule. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.480 I'm not gonna walk too much anymore if I can 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.600 have it. And Michael, who tells who you are? Michael, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.200 and there living in a prairie grove? Average squirrel hunter, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.560 I mean try quite a bit. You guys are, I 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.719 mean you're a big time squirrel hunters. I mean these guys, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.880 these guys hunt all the time. You train dogs, you 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.000 keep dogs. And now, Michael, you grew up on horses, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.160 but these are trays mules that we use the other day. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.280 And uh, now you'd rather you'd probably rather just walk 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.280 on foot though in most cases that right, Well, I 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.960 mean last week was good. Just the squirrels are so 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.200 thin you're you're going so far between a tree, which 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.960 is it's nice to be riding something, but when they're 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:38.000 down and thick walk hunting, I enjoy it. Yeah, And 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.600 Mr Brent Reeves, I am pretty well the brains behind 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:49.600 this whole operation so far. I'll do all of my 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:56.920 own stunts and on this wonderful day, fun eventful day, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.000 I was tasked with carrying the camera and filming this 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.440 for the episode that's coming to us, didn't meet Kicked 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.320 by Mule. I was on a four wheeler and it 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.920 was it was kind of unique as the first time 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.160 I had hunted or filmed a hunt like that where 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.280 my transportation was different than everybody else's. So it was 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.840 it was cool. I could get ahead of you guys 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.160 and get some probably got some some shots that we 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.160 wouldn't normally have gotten. You know, it would have took 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.880 a lot more time. You know, I was able to 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.040 go around. Luckily we were hunting where you know, it 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.920 was permissible to do that, so so it was it 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.720 was it was good, it worked out good. Um, we 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.040 we we can do that. So what we're what we're 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.440 talking about here is that last Friday, January eight, Brent 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.280 filmed and I filmed some, but we filmed squirrel hunt 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.680 on mules and like, we just watched the video with 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.600 with Michael and Trade. They saw it for the first 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.640 time and it's a on video. It's it's a lot 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:06.640 of fun. And it was kind of a logistical challenge 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:12.200 doing all the filming and still hunting. But I think 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.480 it'll be it'll be pretty fun. But really, what I 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.160 want to talk to you guys about is your dogs. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:25.160 Tell me whoever whoever wants to wants to go. Oh, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.640 they're pointing back and forth to each other. Now, so 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.320 these fights, Like so inside a squirrel hunt, there's gonna 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.840 be these categories of dogs and they're typically not hounds. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.560 We've talked about coup hunting in the past, and hound 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.240 is a bigger animal that's gonna bark on the track 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:47.480 and then also it's gonna bark on the tree. These fights, Well, Michael, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.520 what are what are the general categories of dogs that 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.800 are squirrel dogs. There's fists and cur you know, a 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.600 fist is typically I think the max is around eighteen 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:04.240 inches pounds. I that's like a stand under eighteen inches, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.240 under thirty pounds. I believe I could be wrong. Uh, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.280 definitely on an authority on the subject. And then occurs 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.360 a little bit bigger dog. I believe the fist was 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.360 recognized by the u k C. And is that right? 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.040 I believe that recently. Yeah, I think so. I could 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.560 be wrong, but because that's super recent. Yeah, I mean 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.280 my dogs are mixed up. Dog gets champ bread fast, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:37.880 uh Feller down in Alma, Bill Douglas got him from her. Yeah. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.680 He pretty much raises a lot of the chimp bread 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.120 fast in this area. And then James Quick down in 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.800 I hold down close to Waldron's got some Yeah, yes, sir, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.240 So kurd dogs and fights are pretty much gonna be 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.800 your square dover brand. Is that your experience? Yeah? Yeah, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.480 you know I grew up in Southeast Arkansas and kurb 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.319 Kur and combination of curring fast was what is all 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.480 historically always have been. You know, I see a wide 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:13.320 a wide variety or large variation and color and size 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.520 and stuff with feist. Is there any consistency like your 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.440 your fast is like slid black, got a little bit 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.360 of white on it? Maybe? Is that right? Will be 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.480 different colors in every litter, Okay, So and then and 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.880 then Susie Trays feist is kind of almost looks like 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.400 a Catahoula color. I mean, she's got her little rental 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.480 color tour and in her litter. She was only puppy 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.600 that looked like that. Oh really, what the other ones 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.360 look like kind of look like Lanier's dog, you know, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.040 black yellow, you know, they're just all the different colors. Yeah, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.120 you kind of get the feeling that these fists are 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:53.160 just a kind of a conglomeration over two hundred years 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.080 of people breathing for little dogs and tree squirrels. Yeah, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.160 I mean I believe the Week's chance, the one that 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.760 started the Champlain, he was mixed up. He was half 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.840 Stephen's cur and half moment spiced. Okay, now can you 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.640 go into any more detail on the I was gonna 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.760 ask you that, like there's mountain curves, black mouth curves, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.480 which those aren't typically used for scrawn. Not the mountain 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.920 curves are. But I mean like Stephen spice, like Steven's curve, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.040 that's Stephen's curt Yeah, that's another line of curs. Uh 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.600 now that but it's in uk C it would only 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.480 be like that. I'm not sure, but it's a totally 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.160 different breath of dog like a Steven's curve is different 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.320 than uh some other kind of curve. Uh. Well, they're 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.600 all curves, but the Stevens curve is definitely different. You know. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:53.760 They're typically black, a little bit of white, open on track. Uh, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.680 I mean most all of them are open on track sports. Yeah, okay, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.360 so when I chel and that guy is wide open 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.560 on a S World track, Okay, A little bit bigger dog, Yeah, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.080 I got a nail that's probably heck, that's as big 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:15.400 as a hound. Huh So. But you guys like the 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:20.480 little feists you underscore, that's your favorite, now, Okay. I 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.440 I understand dogs and mules and horses enough to know 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.800 that in any type of situation where you're using an 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.760 animal to gain advantage, there's there's gonna be lots of 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.000 ways to skin the cat. But everybody has like a 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.600 method that they like for maybe not even a good reason. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.480 You know. It's just like I like ex dog because 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.400 and there's I say, it's not a good reason, it's 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.800 actually a great reason. It might be my grandpa used 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.240 that kind of dog. Yeah, you'll find out a lot, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.679 especially in the culture where I grew up, and probably 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.920 I'm serious, you know, trace from Mississippi. I'm surious very 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.840 similar down there. You know, Grandma or grandma whoever you know, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.840 had one certain type of dog that was proven. It 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.080 seems to be in my world the way the way 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.599 you went. You know, there's an emotional connections you're with 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.280 a dog, just like with a pet. I means like 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.960 people like a certain type of dog, and so if 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.800 you grew up around FCE, you're probably like him. But 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.920 why do you all like face? Why do you like 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.880 ice tray? Well, you know if you if you get 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.680 a good one and the squirrels are down and moving, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.280 you'll kill every one to because you know, with five stools, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:40.080 use its nose, it ties, and its ears. So the 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.760 first paying seriously will dude, when you let her out 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.160 of turner loose, she will just start looking up because 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.760 she figures in squirrels from that tree. Now, the other 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.520 types of squirrel offs that don't do that, Or is 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.040 that that's what makes him a squirrel of them? I 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.440 don't know. I've tried to hind a big old hound 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.960 one time, and it would it would smell him up 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.480 in the tree, and they had if they had been 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.440 there all night, and you know, if they weren't moving, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.160 That wasn't another alternative to pick up a squirrel. Yeah, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.400 but now yeah, I just like, uh, I just like 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.840 that fast. Yeah. I didn't want to hunt a lot closer, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.280 you know, or are some some of closer. There's always 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.920 there's there's no people are gonna lose them, like, oh 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.480 well that ain't right. You know, my cur dog hunts, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.600 you know, saying the value yards in front of me 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.040 or whatever. But there's always an exception to everything. Why 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.800 do you like the fast? I mean, squirrel ain't that big. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.840 You know, it doesn't take a great big dog to 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.760 tree one. They're a little easier to keep. I mean, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.920 I've had curs. When I first moved up here, I 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.960 had curs, and it seemed like most all of my 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.680 head were just a little harder to keep around the house, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.680 bark a lot in the pan. Uh. I don't know 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.440 if it was the line I was hunting or what, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.640 but I've just had really good luck with the fast. Yeah, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.960 you're telling me the other day while we're noting how 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.360 smart that the Jessee dog is. Oh yeah, Like, would 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.920 you do you told her not to go in the 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.120 one room of the house one time? Yeah? She i mean, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.160 let her in the house, walking there on the carpet 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.720 in the bedroom, tell her not to come in there. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.000 She'll stopped at the door every time. Now, I mean 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.680 they just pick up on a quick so they're smart 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.520 and that that makes it fun. And then now to me, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.000 what surprised me when we were hunting the other bay 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.960 on mules, which I thought was really cool and I 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.480 think it's a cool part of the video too, is, uh, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.120 you carry these dogs on the mules. So we we've 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.560 parked the trucks where we had just stopped, and then 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.680 we were going about I don't know, probably not a 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.040 half a mile, but maybe maybe half a mile to 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.560 where we're gonna hunt. And they didn't want these dogs 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.160 just free ranging and going and treating a squirrel somewhere 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.280 where we couldn't get to because at barbware of fences. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.040 We carried these dogs just right on top of the 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.280 beetle and then just pitched him off the mule when 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.840 it was time to hunt. I thought that was pretty handy. Now, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.280 you never tried it, but you're wanting to put the 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.280 mule or the dog in your game pouch. I think 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.200 she dried in it one time we looked up and 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.640 and Jesse, Michael's uh little dog has had her both 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.000 the speet on the side of the horn. He's like 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.600 standing up just like he was rigging for bear. You 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.160 know that these guys are bear dogs. They have these 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.000 big dog boxes and they have places where the good 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.919 time to the top of the dog box. And that 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.800 dog will was to be riding down the road just 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.760 bothering its head. But yeah, she look like she was 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.840 trying to rig a bear on that mule, catching the 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:44.119 drafts that mule he was on. When you're back to 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:49.600 being in front, well, and so between your mules, Willie 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.600 was the Willie was the one you didn't trust as much, right, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:59.680 Oh yeah, I think he's got a crazy stray can 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:05.320 and he's say shafeing h. Yeah, but he may decide 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.399 you're going up this hill and he's gonna drag you 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.000 through the prods in the way. Yeah, So that's why 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.800 Michael got the ride. Michael got the riding. Well, I 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.120 could tell, right and I'm literally Michael with tight Yeah, 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.600 he's he's kind of got that mules right now. You know, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.040 when you're when you're around the equal of animals a 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.439 little bit, which I still consider myself pretty green. Really 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.040 when it comes to horses and mules. I can always 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.479 tell somebody that's been around in their whole life, and 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.800 and you can tell by very nuanced things that they do. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.720 And I could tell when I saw Michael get on 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.399 on his mule that he had ridden in this whole lot. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.639 I knew he had. I didn't know to this this second, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.800 to both of those were trains. I thought. I thought 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.640 Michael was riding Michael's mule. Now to this verious second, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.399 I was not aware that, yeah, are you? You can 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.919 always tell about about how relaxed somebody is when they 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.400 get on, how they throw their leg over, how they 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.600 position their feet in the stirrups, because these are all 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.600 things I'm learning. But and this mainly just sound comfortable. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.960 But I could tell you knew what you're doing. We'll 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.480 lose a good mule, you know. He trade and now 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.600 I want to talk about dogs more, but maybe we'll 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.560 talk about mules from neut here. You well, let me 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.080 let me let me tell a little about you, Mr Autrey. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.800 So trade. I've scrolled with the trade A couple of 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.360 years ago. We couldn't hunted a little bit, and uh, 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.320 trade just calls me or text me or something. It's like, hey, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:46.520 I bought some mules and we talk and uh I 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.600 was I was like, I mean, I was really glad 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.600 you got a mule. I was afraid you were gonna 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:57.359 be disappointed once you got just because just like I 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.520 was when I got mules, I just had this idea 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.800 that it was like buying a four wheel. I really didn't. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.840 It's an exaggeration to make a point, but that's kind 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.159 of the mentality that I had years ago. It's like, 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.440 now I'll get a mule and then I'll be able 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.640 to ride in the mountains. Man, it's not like mine 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.720 four ward. There's a whole lot more to it, a 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.040 whole lot more to it. And I learned from buying 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.320 a Greenbrooke mule and then break my ow mule that 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.679 you got to become muleman a hand on and so 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.000 trade was like me, he didn't have a ton of experience. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.040 You wrote him when you were a kid. Is that right? Now? 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.600 I'm my aunt had some horses, and I've been on 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.480 her horses, but he had the first time I had 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.359 all about the mule when when you said you got wound, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.320 and then I don't remember who told me this part? 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.800 But they got they can see all four feet, so 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.800 they're gonna be more sure footed. And I'm thinking, well, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.480 I'm sure I don't want to fall off for having 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.840 following me so it hurt. Yeah, so I thought that 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.840 might not be a bad idea. Well, when you told 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.800 me that you went and bought this mule like a 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.360 mile from where you live, the guy that just happened 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.960 to hold game, we'll eat. So you live like pretty 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.439 close to this guy, you said, coming down there and 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.520 bought the mule and just rode it home and you 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.919 had trouble a ridge. And when you told me what 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.679 you did, I was like, this guy, this guy has 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:24.160 got some guts. Are doing enough not to know that? Well? 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.680 In fact, I was totally impressed that you were able 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.199 to manage those mules like you did, because I have 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.040 a lot of after that, after some of the stuff 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.399 I put out about mules, I have a lot of 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.800 people message me saying, hey, don't think about getting the mule. 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.360 Do you think do you think it would work? And 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.399 I give everybody the same spiel. It's like, yeah, it'll 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.880 work if you really wanted to, and if you're willing 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.920 to get name, that was it. That was a couple 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.160 of times after I thought P and I had old 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.560 Willie peemed up out there and I hadn't even a 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.560 pastor here, and man if it took me a while 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.919 before he let me catch him. Yeah, I mean I 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.439 rode into the house and all he was just as 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.000 good as he could pay, you know, besides that Waterdale, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.200 And then he decided he didn't want me to catch him. 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.040 So that took a little walk to thinking all that 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.119 figured out. Now when I pulled up on my wife, 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.119 does both MutS just come up, you know, because I 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:24.840 won't to hear your buddy, I guess I want to 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.280 tree you or from you showed the move was loss. Well, 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:29.800 I was still like, sure who he is? I think 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.800 we tolerate each other, you know. Well, I was impressed 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.000 that the regular hamm onim like you did. I really was. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.400 I don't know abody impressed. But I hadn't gotten mad 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.960 enough about it that I had too much money out 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.880 there on that and it was a pot hunter around 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:52.320 when you WILLI is, yeah, yeah, there's a lot. There's 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:57.480 a whole conversation we had about and that's the way 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.800 you put Michael one that's my book it. Yeah, but 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.520 if I didn't watch somebody only well, and I was 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.720 impress that they're matching mules too. That was just the accident. 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.359 I got smokey because Danny couldn't keep him in the fence. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:15.920 He was always out in the middle of the road. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.320 When I come home there and I opened the gate 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.639 and let him back in, and he had told him 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.240 me that that mule was really good. Uh, And I 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.560 didn't know the difference. It was a little time and uh. 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.479 He said, well you'll be able to tell the difference 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:36.240 and then you can, I guess. Uh. But anyway, Yeah, 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.240 if in fact mule hadn't kept getting out of Danny's spence, 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.080 they probably wouldn't have sold him. Well you do good 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.480 Now for people who don't understand mule culture, your street 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:58.720 crid goes up exponentially when you had matching mules. So 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.440 just to let you know, I mean when I when 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.479 I saw two white mules come out of each other, 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:10.560 I was like a different He's a big deal. Boys. 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.720 That's why that's why I did what I did, And 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:21.840 now I have matching mules. Yeah, street cred, you drink care. Yeah, 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.560 I had heard this though. I had learned this from 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.600 a real mulemate over in Oklahoma. That helped me get 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:32.680 matching mudles because when he had a now I have, 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:34.520 I have two mules right now. I got rid of 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.919 my elivate mule. The first mule I had. Right now, 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.920 all I've got is Izzy, and I have Issy's full 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:44.840 brother named Banjo, who was colored just like her sorrel 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:51.240 with white white sox. And when when when this guy 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:55.160 had this this cold, he called me, send me a picture, 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.879 and he's like, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.399 this mules. He basically saved it when till it was 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.600 seven months old. And I might pick it up last week. 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:08.399