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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your

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Speaker 1: who will also bring you into some of the wildest

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Speaker 1: country on the planet chasing battery. On this episode of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast, I sit down with my

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Speaker 1: good friends Trail Autry and Michael Lanier and Brent Reeves

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Speaker 1: and we talk about a squirrel hunt that we went

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Speaker 1: on last Friday January in National Forest here in Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: and we were using mules. We were using mules as

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Speaker 1: our primary mode of transportation, and we were using these

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Speaker 1: fast dogs to treat these squirrels. We had a fantastic

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Speaker 1: time and we actually made a film about this hunt

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be released sometime next week in around uh

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Speaker 1: January eight, sometime in that range, we're gonna release this

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Speaker 1: film about squirrel hunting with face mules and it's a

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Speaker 1: ton of fun. So on this podcast you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: a few excerpts from our actual hunt, but we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna sit down with Trey and Michael and Brent. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hash out while they hunt with feist, hunting on

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Speaker 1: mules and just some good stories. I think you'll enjoy this,

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Speaker 1: and many of you might, uh well, if you ask

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Speaker 1: this question, maybe this is in the podcast for you.

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Speaker 1: But the question would be, if this is the Bear

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast, why are they talking about squirrel hunting

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Speaker 1: with mules? And the answer is, Man, this podcast is

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Speaker 1: so much fun because we've just got liberty to to

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Speaker 1: to report on stuff that we're doing, and the bears

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Speaker 1: other parts of the outdoors and and we're the Bear

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast. We're gonna be talking about whatever we're

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Speaker 1: doing and just bringing to you positive things that are

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Speaker 1: tell you what's going on that's positive right now in

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Speaker 1: the Ozark Mountains. Of Arkansas. It's some squirrel hunting. It

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Speaker 1: was tough. There's not much natural food this year. Squirrels

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Speaker 1: had a great time. We made this film. We cooked

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Speaker 1: these squirrels that we did kill. We cooked them in

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Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast Squirrels fice mules. How within

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Speaker 1: were treated. There's very little natural food in the Ozarks

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Speaker 1: this winter, and squirrel hunting has been extremely tough. We

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Speaker 1: were happy to get a quick treat. Here he is,

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Speaker 1: he's timber, and Michael h here he is. Bam. One

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Speaker 1: shot to see that Ozark Mountain gray squirrel right there.

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Speaker 1: Some people might look that I'd appreciate it. The three boys, dude,

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Speaker 1: Mr Brent Reeves, I am pretty well the brains behind

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Speaker 1: in front of them. Uh. Some people throw them in

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00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: the training pin. Uni, let's start training, Yeah, basically just

424
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: to have a corn figure in the pin. So these

425
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: I think that's something that people don't understand that I

426
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't really understand it until I started training coon dogs.

427
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, we had coon dogs and

428
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: we kind of just turned the loose and if they

429
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: made a dog, we were happy, and if they didn't,

430
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: we you know, got rid of him. But I mean,

431
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of all the stuff is already

432
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: inside of that dog. He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna treat,

433
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna trail, he's got the desire to hunt. I mean,

434
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: there's all these things that you can't really train that

435
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: are just inside of him. But you're trying to put

436
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: that dog in the best situation to bring out those

437
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: positive traits and reward it for a positive behavior, which

438
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: would be treating a swirtl staying on tree, showing desire, game, desire,

439
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, and then you would you would discourage it

440
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: from bad behavior, which would be if it random deer,

441
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: if it did something you didn't like, you you would,

442
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so it's kind of like you're

443
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're you're trying to put it

444
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: in the best scenarios possible for it to start treating,

445
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna really teach it to treat that.

446
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: That's the way you describe it. Absolutely. Uh. You know,

447
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: when they're young, if they were to bump a deer

448
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: running the little ways, I probably wouldn't. I'd probably just

449
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: ignore them, you know, I wouldn't shock him or anything

450
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: like that or try to correct it. I mean, once

451
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: I got a little older, I mean, I wouldn't want

452
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: to kill them chasing game right off the bath, right

453
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: because you like that desire, yes, sir, yeah, yeah. But

454
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: so do you take it out with an older dog too?

455
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: That helps? I guess. I think when they're really young,

456
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: it probably doesn't hurt. I mean a lot of people

457
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: just hunt their dogs strictly by themselves. Locally independent dog.

458
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, trace dog was to go treat, they wouldn't

459
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: want their dog to go over there with him. I

460
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: don't competition hunt, but I mean I don't mind my

461
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: dog falling in with his. But some people they really

462
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: like an independent If his dog trees, they wanted to

463
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: move on down the road and find it their own squirrel.

464
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: So you get that by hunting and by themselves. Yes,

465
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: And it kind of just clicks for a dog when

466
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: they treat it and then shoot it out. They see

467
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: that squirrel fall of the ground. Then all of a

468
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: sudden they're like, I if I stay here in barn,

469
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: I get the reward getting a little fur in my mouth.

470
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I had a little white dog that I hunted or

471
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: would race doing with Susie. And if Susie tree first,

472
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: she'd go over there about twenty yards and just pull

473
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: up on the tree and start barking, and you could

474
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: tell her right off the bat she didn't have a squirrel.

475
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: She just sit there and look at you. No, I

476
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: just want your attention, you know that. The other day

477
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: when we kill those two pretty quick. Uh, Jesse was

478
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: on a tree and Susie was on a tree. Susie

479
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: left her tree to go over with Jessie, and then

480
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: she went back to that tree. So I figure we

481
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: had a squirrel there because she said, I went pretty

482
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: tight and we're shooting over there. So that's the way

483
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: it's supposed to. It was a squirrel in there, you know.

484
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I like it when you got two dollars independent and

485
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: you're going to shoot a squirrel over here, and just

486
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: as fast as you shoot that, when you got to

487
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: go to that other dollar real quick and get to

488
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: that squirrel. So that's a lot upon and when it

489
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: happens like that, it just didn't happen like that all

490
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: day time. How did you How did you start Susie

491
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: now se five or six years old? Man, that's a

492
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: great question. I had to look at the papers, but

493
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: I think she's back five and back five or six.

494
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: You had her since she was a new I bought

495
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: that dog I bought already started and I'm not really

496
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: sure how I started. She was when I got her,

497
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: But I bought her from a fellow named Kenny like them,

498
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: and he's wor over now and around old East central

499
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Mississippi for being a pretty good guy with a you know,

500
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: trying squirrel dogs. But the other first time I hunted

501
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: with her, she bought first squirrel I killed. Whether she

502
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: barked at one time, and real code and Wendy and

503
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking old my and darn if there wasn't a squirrel.

504
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: It was a little bitty slick tree and it was

505
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: just on the opposite side we were looking at. And uh,

506
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: she does pretty good, But I will take her and

507
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: I would maybe with a a postum or whatever, we

508
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: could put him cage or even a squirrel and we

509
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: would turn the squirrel out and you and a field

510
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and there's one tree. You know where the squirrel is

511
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: going when you give her a head spot and then

512
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: let that doghood and watch the squirrel the dog across.

513
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: The dog would chase it out of chase it out

514
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: through that field up a tree. But as soon as

515
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: you got really good, the first time she got bit

516
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: knocked a squirrel out of the tree. Tree wouldn't dead

517
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: and she got bit and from that point own maybe man,

518
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: he didn't have to do any training. She was mad.

519
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: She's mad at him now, she really is. She don't

520
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: like him now. Year dog is a year, she about

521
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: a year and a half. A year and a half.

522
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: And did you start her yourself? I bought her from

523
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Bill Douglas. She had just started tree and and she

524
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: wasn't staying at all. And uh, and that's when I

525
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: got her. Okay, she wasn't staying on the true No,

526
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: she'd bought a few times and then try to go

527
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: find out. Okay, how did you break her? That? Tired

528
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: to the tree? Just get there quick, tied to the tree. Yeah,

529
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: stay there with her. Here's a here's a general question

530
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: for both of you. I am not asking for specifics

531
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: because this would be like asking a cattle farmer how

532
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: many I mean cows it has. It's just a bad deal.

533
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: You can't do that. But what is a what what

534
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: does a scrom do cost? Like a like a started dog? Man,

535
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if we didn't talk about that, listen

536
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: to this a lot of range? How about it from

537
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: a good blooded puppet to a finished dog? What what

538
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: something in that range? We all know everything is. It's whatever,

539
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: man as will. I haven't gonna guess that it's about

540
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: the same as coon dogs. And I'm gonna guess too,

541
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: it's about the same as mudles. I'm serious, all these

542
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: animals that you're devoting a lot of time to training.

543
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I find a coon in, a kun dog, and a

544
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: mule are almost on the same gradient in times of

545
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: in terms of finances, five hundred dollar muddle by like

546
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: a five hundred dollar Kueon dog. Yeah yeah, uh, I'm

547
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: gonna go say five hundred dollars to four thousand dollars,

548
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: okay for a really copy and finished dog. Yeah, so

549
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I give four thousand, especially if I come from a town. Yeah, well,

550
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you spend. A month ago, I had a

551
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: guy friend of mind from Kansas called me and I'm

552
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: looking for you know, I called you clay to be hearing.

553
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: But it's got a good started squirrel dog. They'd be interested.

554
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: And I've talked to several people and I got prices

555
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: everywhere from you know, twelve hundred dollars to five thousand dollars,

556
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: And that was just not even trying to serve. It's

557
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: real hard. Just people I've talked to and that I know,

558
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: you know in the squirrel on the world. And so

559
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: it's you can pay just about what you want to

560
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: pay or what you're gonna forward. But he need depends

561
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: on the day that fell up watching the dog. That's

562
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: now that doll coming or just a red letter day

563
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: and every time and stopped for picking up the squirrel.

564
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, but the near he has some he has

565
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: some really here dogs. At times he he's like a

566
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: doll trigger he is. I can tell them, oh, he

567
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: locks him things. So what was your what's your story?

568
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I want a good squirrel would cost like starry dog

569
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to like a finished out. I mean you get a

570
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: pup that's about ready to start out of good breeding,

571
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: probably five hundred dollars, you know, one that's not even

572
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: start of training, and then uh, I mean one that's

573
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: started twelve hundred. You find one a little cheaper and

574
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Scott's a limit on the finished dog. Especially you get

575
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: a cur dog that that's combo coon it is world dog.

576
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah you yeah, yeah, that's about that's about what I figured. Yeah,

577
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that's right in the battle in Land with what you were,

578
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: But that's the same way with a with a coon dog,

579
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: it's just about the same way with a dog dog.

580
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: It's about the same way with a bear dog. I mean,

581
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: you buy a good pub from a decent breeder, and

582
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay two to three hundred dollars for a pub.

583
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of like standard. And now some

584
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: of these top end guys that have a real specialty,

585
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: a lot of name that everybody wants to pub like,

586
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: they can get about whatever they want for a pub.

587
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: But most times, even with good bear dog lines, it's

588
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: almost like gentleman's honor that you sell six weeks old

589
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: pubs for two to three hundred dollars. You start asking

590
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: more than that. Your your egos getting the way. Now,

591
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: women and children don't understand this. When we had we

592
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: had literally we've had two litters of plot pups. My

593
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: wife's family they were not hunters, and when they had pups,

594
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: they had like registered boxers and registered something else, uh,

595
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: dogs that served no purpose whatsoever. And they raised pups

596
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: when she was a kid a kid, and they sold

597
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: them for money, you know, I mean, they sold like

598
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: the point of it was, let's have a litter of

599
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: pups to make money. So when I said, hey, we're

600
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna have a litter of plot pups, she was like great,

601
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: and uh. She was like how much we gonna sell

602
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: these for? And I'm like, oh man, hey, plots are

603
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: hard to come by. This line of dogs is really

604
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: in demand. There'll be guys wanting these dogs from Michigan

605
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and from everywhere. And she's like, good, we can sell

606
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: these things for seven hundred dollars apiece. And I was like, no, no,

607
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: I'll be selling them for I can't remember what I asked.

608
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Most of them a boy, which she didn't understand. So

609
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I was like, this is bear Hunter's code of conduct.

610
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: You give a peace offering of puffs people that you

611
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: want to cultivate relationship with. You know, that has gone

612
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: as far as like social media too. You can find

613
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean you Google or Facebook or whatever you want

614
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: to do. You can find whole pages and communities. There's

615
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: nothing but strictly squirrel dogs. And you know, by selling

616
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: trade or however however they listed there, and you go

617
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: through and that the averages right along what you're talking about.

618
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's so it's i'd say, it's pretty common knowledge.

619
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: And the people on. There will be from you know,

620
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: not just Arkansas, It'll be all over the United States,

621
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: so you know, in Florida to Michigan or you know, Ohio.

622
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: The dogs are all you know, very similarly priced or whatever.

623
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: So Michael, do you you I mean, like, of all

624
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: the outdoor activities that you do, squirrel hunting with vices

625
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: at the top of the list or number two or

626
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: number three? What what is it like? I can describe

627
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: why I like the things that I like. Like, why

628
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: do you like squirrel hunt with dogs so much? Well,

629
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean you're not You're not confined to sitting in

630
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 1: a stand. You get to move around, get to visit

631
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: with the folks that you're going with. I mean, you

632
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: can hunt in Arkansas. We're pretty blessed as far as

633
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: hunting season and public land. You can hunt from May

634
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: till in the February. Sometime in May to land in February.

635
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't really hunt during the summer, but I mean, yeah,

636
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: and uh, well, we've got two million acres of public

637
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: land to hunt. I mean, it's just plenty of opportunity.

638
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: There's typically this year there's not a lot of squirrels,

639
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: but there's typically squirrels around for you to shoot at.

640
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I just really enjoyed that. My son loves it.

641
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: We always get to visit when we're out there. Yeah,

642
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I forgot how much fun it was two see a

643
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: squirrel timbering across the trees while you're trying to shoot it.

644
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: It's a whole different thing when you got a gun

645
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: in your hand and you're trying to shoot. I mean,

646
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: you see squirrels all this every day, you know, cotting

647
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: up a tree and jumping around. I mean just I

648
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: got watched him out of my office window every day,

649
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and my heart doesn't start to beat fast. But when

650
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: you're underneath a tree with a dog tree and and

651
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: that squirrel breaks from cover and starts just screaming down

652
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: a limb, I mean, it's like, yeah, this is pretty fun.

653
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Did you grew up she grew up doing it with dogs, Michael, No, sir,

654
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I got my first squirrel dog. I think when I

655
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: moved over Right before I moved over here, I was

656
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: living in Jonesboro and a friend of mine, his dad,

657
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: gave me a pup. Uh, I just had bagles living

658
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: in Jonesborold how many places rabbit hunt over here? So

659
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I switched squirrel dogs. You know, to me, it's a

660
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: great It's the biggest thing about it that is so

661
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: intriguing is the opportunity for access. Just like you know,

662
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: if you deer hunt, it's so hard to take somebody

663
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: deer hunting that's never hunted before. It's it's you have

664
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, a hundred pounds of meat.

665
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: You gotta not a hundred pounds if you kill a deer,

666
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: but you gotta you gotta deal with a bunch of meat.

667
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: You gotta sit, you gotta be proficient with a some

668
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: type of pretty high powered weapon. You gotta you know,

669
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: there's all these barriers. But man, all somebody's gotta do

670
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: to go squirrel hunt with you is by Arkansas hunting

671
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: license and borrow a twenty two of the four or ten,

672
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're hunting and they're doing

673
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: something that's fun and exciting. You don't have to be

674
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: you don't have to be quiet, That's what that's that's

675
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 1: the main thing. And and encouraging for kids. Kids out there. Yeah,

676
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: don't you're not constantly be still, you know any of that.

677
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of stuff for them to do. Yeah,

678
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: I traded. You grew up squore hunting with dogs. Now

679
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: with dogs? Uh? Probably ten twelve years ago my timetrist,

680
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: a fellow named Dan Windham in Pearl, Mississippi, had hunted

681
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: with us a my uncle Ed, and after Ed died,

682
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: I've met old Dan Windham and we got to best

683
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: in and man, I had more fun going with him

684
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting than I did deer hunting. So then he says, well,

685
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: you need to get you a dog too. Ah. He

686
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: why he poked me up with Kenny like thing. But no,

687
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up squirrel hunting with dogs. But I

688
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: do enjoy I enjoy watching the dog trying to figure

689
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: out where that squirrel is. And you know what's really fun.

690
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: The best part about it if and it doesn't happen

691
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: too terribly often, but when that squirrel starts timbering like

692
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: you were talking about, and that dog is following it,

693
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: that's when it's fun. That's some high level squirrel dog

694
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: action right there. Oh man, that's that's that's that's big

695
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: time right there. Yeah. Um, But the dog, you know,

696
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess the thing about that fast I really like

697
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: that dog, you know, does develop a bond with you

698
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: and it's really trying to please you. You know, everything

699
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: that dog does once it hits the ground, it's trying

700
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: to please you. So now they're like a lot of fun.

701
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: It's it really is an amazing connection between uh, a

702
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: hunter's animal. I mean it's it's you know, you see

703
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: inside of the non hunting society how crazy people are

704
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: with their pets. I mean, to the point of ludicracy,

705
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: you know, thinking these animals are humans. I mean giving

706
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: them the same dog understands what he's saying, and I

707
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: do too. You know, we may be worse than all

708
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: in pot no, no, but but listen, and that's these

709
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: are pests that don't do anything. So when you have

710
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: that kind of connection with an animal that is serving

711
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: a purpose like tree a squirrel to put dinner on

712
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: your table, I think that's a higher level. So I

713
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: think it's pretty cool. Oh, it's it's a lot of fun. Hey,

714
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: let me tell you all before we before we close down,

715
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: let me tell y'all and and and we'll go through

716
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: and I'll hit any closing comments you guys have. We

717
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: would coon hunt an other night when it's snow. The

718
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: day after the nineteenth of January, the day after that,

719
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: we squirrel hunted. It's snow the next day, and I

720
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: had never coon hunting in the snow, so I want

721
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: to see how the dogs would do. The wind was

722
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: blowing probably ten the fifteen miles per hour, and it

723
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: was twenty five degrees. I mean, it was a for

724
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas. It was not the night you want to

725
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: go coon hunt. But me and the two of my

726
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: buddies went and we uh turning the dogs out front

727
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: and jed just I mean, I just took them right

728
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: where I thought they'd strike, and sure enough they struck

729
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: him the creek and uh and went way up this creek,

730
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: and the track started out real hot and just kind

731
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: of fizzled, fizzled, fizzled, and then I saw him start

732
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: circling the tree on the garment. I could see they

733
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: made a big loop, and then they came right back

734
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: down the creek, and I felt like they went the

735
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: wrong way on the track and got to where the

736
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: coon had come out of the tree. Sure enough, that's

737
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: what happened. So they start trailing it back down the

738
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: creek towards me, and the coon made a spin off

739
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: through this real thick, nasty stuff. I guess he was

740
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was hunting for, but he

741
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: was hunting for something. And the dogs got hung up

742
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: in there, and A pretty much felt like they were treated,

743
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: except they were in about a twenty yards square area

744
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: and I can just see they just weren't moving. So

745
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: we went in there to see what was happening. Got

746
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: there and there's coon tracks in the snow all around there,

747
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: and the dogs are just going crazy, you know, but

748
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: they can't find it. They can't find it directly. Fern,

749
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: my my good coon dog, kind of peels off and

750
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: the track heats up, and I'm like, okay, well maybe

751
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: they got straightened out. And she goes down there a

752
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards and trees is just treat Jedi, who I

753
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: don't have as much faith in, not because he's not

754
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: a good coon dog, but he just is always on

755
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Ferns Kurt, you know, coattails, and so you know how

756
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: it is when you have a good dog, you never

757
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: really know the potential of the other dog. But I

758
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: hunt them together all the time. Ferns over their tread.

759
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Jed pulls in and doesn't go to her, and he

760
00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: starts barking like crazy down in this creek, bank in

761
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: a hole and he's he doesn't treat he doesn't get

762
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: after armor deals or something. But anyway, who do I

763
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: go to first? I go to Fern. I go to

764
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: Fern and it's a dent tree that I really don't

765
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: think has anything in it. And uh, and we've shine

766
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: the tree and there's no coon directly. Jed is over

767
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: here just I mean about to lose his mind, about

768
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: eighty yards away. But he's down in a little creek

769
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: bank and so you can't you can't really I don't

770
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but I'm like, well, let's go

771
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: see what Jed's got. I come around this corner and

772
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: look up this creek and Jed has his head in

773
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: a hole in a root ball and he's just his

774
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: eyes are bulging out of his head. And I go

775
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: over there and there's a coon about that far from

776
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: his face. I got six inches for his face, bawled

777
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: up in a hole, and Jed is chewing the roots

778
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: and and he just can't get that coon. That's that's

779
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: a fun coon. Nun get out a hole. And uh,

780
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: we got the kun, Yeah, yeah, we got the We

781
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: got the coun out of the whole, got the kun. Yeah. Yeah.

782
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: It was funny though, because it was classic of trusting

783
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: this dog but not trusting the other one. You know. Oh,

784
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: that's that's fine. Well hey, um, so the video. We

785
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: made a really cool video of this squirrel hunt with

786
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: mules and it's gonna come out sometime next week on

787
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. So if somebody's listening

788
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: for the first time you hear is talking about a

789
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: YouTube channel almost every time Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel,

790
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: you might ask yourself, why are these guys talking about

791
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting if they're Bear Hunting Magazine. Well, that's just

792
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: what we do. We squirrel hunting, deer hunting, everything else.

793
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Hunt and the bears are asleep right now, are they not?

794
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: They are asleep, So we're hunting squirrels. But we got

795
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: this neat video and it's coming out on Bearhunting Magazine

796
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: YouTube channel sometime next week, probably to Tuesday is what

797
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Maybe Wednesday, maybe Monday, don't no, no for sure,

798
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: but it'll be out next week. So go check that

799
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: out and you'll get to meet Mr Trey Autrey and

800
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: Michael Lanear see some of Brent's videography. You get to

801
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: meet Izzie Smokey and Willie Susie jesse Man. The Castic

802
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: characters is big and and and here was the cool

803
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: thing that we did is that we took these squirrels too.

804
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: We killed two squirrels in the morning, took the squirrels

805
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: and we fried them in some barrel oil that I'd

806
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: rendered down. And it was fantastic, was it not? And

807
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: you don't eat you don't eat squirrels fried Barry grease.

808
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: We had them. We at those squirrels. We had those squirrels.

809
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: We did a good stuff. Whoa closing comments, Michael, did

810
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: we not cover anything inside of squirrel hunting that might

811
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: be relevant? I mean, I know it's a giant topic

812
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: or breeding dogs and how dogs hunt, and we we didn't.

813
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: This really didn't cover it totally. But I don't know.

814
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're pretty good. We're covering a

815
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: lot of it. Yeah, I mean it was a lot

816
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah. It really was advantageous to have the mules.

817
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was advantageous because we if I didn't

818
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: have my garment turned on, and see how far we walked,

819
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: But I bet we walked five to seven miles. I

820
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: think we did that. Maybe more because we will went

821
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: in on that other road. We walked a long way

822
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: as if you'd have been on foot, you had been

823
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: in pretty good sho oh man, we wouldn't have made

824
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: it happy day. It's too many hills. That's when hills.

825
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Too many hills. When I got the mules far and

826
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: that's like playing golf without a car, what would you

827
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: want to do it? Well? And when the scrupt Michael

828
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: said it before, but when the squirrels are thin, the

829
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: mules are really havn't take you because you're able to

830
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground. Like if we had gone

831
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: into that little block of timber where we didn't treat

832
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: the squirrels and we had stayed in there like all

833
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: day tree and squirrels and killed two limits of squirrels

834
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: out of there. You know, maybe having a mule wouldn't

835
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: have helped it that much, but probably not. We were,

836
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: but we were at one point we went on probably

837
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: a mile and a half end and a mile and

838
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: a half back out on that other road over there,

839
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: and we were hunting. We were hunting, and we wouldn't

840
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: shooting them Buchem, Yeah, yeah, what about you, mister auctory

841
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: closing comments, Man, We just had a good time the

842
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: other day, just like we do every time we get

843
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Speaker 1: to go outside, and you know, uh maydeing Brant and

844
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Speaker 1: having you there, Mane. It was just a lot of

845
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: fun and UH appreciate you uh coming out there and

846
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: hunting with us at any time. I told my wife

847
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: after that day, I said, I mean, I travel and

848
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: hunt and do a lot of stuff, and there's some

849
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: days that are just fun, like you just get home

850
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: and you just just everything about it, from the people

851
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: you were with, how the hunt went, to the weather too,

852
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: and I had just it more fun than I thought

853
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Speaker 1: I would. I had a blast. I really did. We did.

854
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Speaker 1: We did, And for me, it was a combination of

855
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, the more I get into these mules, the

856
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: more I'm looking for ways to use them and looking

857
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: for ways to use them inside of hume and and

858
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: that makes it really enjoyable to combine hunting and these mules.

859
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Speaker 1: So I mean, for me, it was that was a

860
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: big part of it, Like being able to shoot off

861
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Speaker 1: Izzie again in the video people people will see me

862
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Speaker 1: shoot off Izzie. It wasn't the first time I shot

863
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Speaker 1: off I've read shot of twenty two off over but

864
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: it was the first time I shot shotgun, which was loud,

865
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Speaker 1: and to me that was like a massive training win

866
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: to uh to shoot off her, man, that was great

867
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Speaker 1: watching that. That's motivating me to get one of mine

868
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: where I can do. You don't even have to walk

869
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Speaker 1: at all. If you can train your mule to shoot off,

870
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk. You won't even get off. We'll

871
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: bring a lab to pick up the squirrels. Fars a

872
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: sousy'll retrieved squirrels. She runs around when them more than

873
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: you were treating. It's gonna look like she's a lab.

874
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: But I do have a buddy named Old Todd Turner

875
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: that went hunting with Milbury and Carrolton a couple of times.

876
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Speaker 1: And uh, myn he had this big, old, big, old

877
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: black lab and we would shoose squirrels and that dog

878
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: would bring him to us. Oh it was it was fun.

879
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: Yep retreating does Mr Brant closing coins? Man? Uh, it

880
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: was so fun. Unlike these guys. You know, I grew

881
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: up hunting, and you've I talked about a hundred times.

882
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I grew up squirrel hunting off of horses, and that

883
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean from when I came my first hunts were

884
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: off a horse behind you know, a dog, squirrel and

885
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: with my dad and our family friends, you know, my

886
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Speaker 1: brothers and everything. So that was so meding memories that day.

887
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: It's just awesome, awesome time. And though there's one constant

888
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: that I found true with with growing up, the memories

889
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I had a growing up with my um, with my dad,

890
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Speaker 1: my uncle's and our family, uncles, you know, everybody you

891
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: want to call it um. All these guys, the main

892
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: thing they're doing is having a good time and the

893
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: respectful one another and respectful of the resource. And they

894
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: just they see, you know, what's really going on out there.

895
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: It's not how many squirrels we can put in a

896
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: saddle bag, it's how much fun we can have before

897
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Speaker 1: it gets dark. And it was. It was a good time,

898
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: and we we gotta do this again. Yeah, we gotta

899
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: do it again. A lot of fun. It was a

900
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Speaker 1: lot of fun. I think that's the refreshing part of

901
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: hunting with dogs for me, is that coming from such

902
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: a strong, big game, kind of so low mentality for

903
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: deer hunting and bear hunting like I do, it's just

904
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Speaker 1: kind of a breath of fresh air to just go

905
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: out and have fun. And not to say we all

906
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: know it's not the big game hunting and fun, that's

907
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: not it. But it's just different. It's just different, and

908
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: it was. There was a lot of fun the other day.

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Speaker 1: It was our pleasure to hunt with you guys. Tray,

910
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, y'all let us come along and so

911
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: for that week, thank you. Oh man, anytime, let's let's

912
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah. Well, hey, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: the Squirrel Hunting Magazine podcast, I mean Bear Hunting Magazine

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922
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Speaker 1: resources wisely and build traditions and culture and just have

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Speaker 1: so hey, keep the wild places wild because that's where

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