WEBVTT - Desperately Devoted to Ricardo Chavira aka Carlos Solis 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:03.600 Welcome to Desperately Devoted. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.400 Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.520 about life and relationships, all. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.719 While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.560 I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny. Well, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.319 welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to Desperately Devoted. Today, we 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.720 are desperately devoted to another person that we're so excited 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.520 is here on the show today. We have another incredible 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.720 cast member who I think, more than anyone this season, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.680 has deeply surprised us in their character. As we've been rewatching, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.519 I think, like many of the other husbands, there's your 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.200 first first hint on the show. He added so much 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.879 depth and weight and quality to the storytelling that I, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.040 for one, feel like when the show was actually on 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.000 in its first run, I feel like, in hindsight, the 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.840 husbands did not get the attention that they deserved, and 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.800 this person definitely falls into that category. I feel personally 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.000 so fortunate that I've been able to keep in touch 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:10.120 with him. He's an incredible actor, an incredible person, and well, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.200 without further ado, please welcome Ricardo Shevira. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.760 Yay, thank you for being here. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:17.839 We're so happy. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.120 It's great to see you guys, and thanks for having me. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.959 I'm I'm happy to do it very much. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.520 So we just have to jump off and just say that, 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:32.479 like Carlos more than anyone, I mean, all the husbands 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.800 really helped tell the story of the journey of all 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:40.280 the wives, like you couldn't do it without the handholding 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.319 of both of the people in the couples. Now, our 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.360 jumping off point has to be how did you get 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.960 involved and how were you cast? And do you have 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.160 stories about that? I mean, we would love to hear. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.400 Okay, So I was only out of graduate school. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.560 Let's say I'd finished my graduate training program two thousand, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.120 So I was only out graduate school like three three 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.920 and a half years, and I had booked several really 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.960 good jobs, but nothing of this magnitude. And so I 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.079 was actually up in Seattle working at Seattle Rep. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.280 Doing a play that was a the was a co pro. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:15.799 So it was. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.000 December January doing the play up in Seattle, and then 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.000 like May June July doing it over in Kansas City. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.080 So when I got home to Los Angeles after finishing 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.240 it in Seattle, you know, I was kind of settling 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.360 back in and pilot season was in full swing and 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.959 a buddy of mine was very much a character actor 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.040 plays like a lot of like criminal types and things 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.400 like that. He shows up to my apartment because he'd 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.080 been watching it, and he shows up in a suit, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.040 and I just started. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.560 Laughing and I was like, what job did you not get? 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.680 And and he's like, man, whatever, you know, and he's like, actually, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.760 you should read for it. He goes, I think it's 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.880 right for you. And it was the Carlos character for Househouse. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.200 So I get it and I read it and I'm like, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.639 he's right, okay. So I call my and they're like, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.760 oh my god, yes, we've we have chased this up 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.840 and down. Scott Jenkincher was kind of handling the casting 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.560 at the time, along with the Oh god, who was 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.360 it Jenny Lewry Johnson's office. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:12.480 I think so. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.920 And so they're like, we've pitched this to Scott and 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.400 you know, Scott loves you. He gave you your SAG card, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.360 which he tapped hard lead me, like when I first 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.519 got to La. So he was like, you know, he 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:25.840 just doesn't think you can be suave enough. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.920 And I was like, oh, realting he doesn't think you 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:30.320 can be. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.240 So and I no, no, no, it's Scott and I 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:34.679 go back and forth on this all the time. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.760 But it's really interesting, like how I mean, that's just 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.880 I know, we're not like dishing on him or anything, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.560 but it is interesting how people get it in their 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.040 head about something that you are, and how it often 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.560 falls back in our court that you have to go 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:50.680 prove somebody different, I think. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:50.760 So. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.360 I think what it was is a lot of the 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.320 things that he had me on auditioning for up until 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.440 that point where a lot of like blue collar civil 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.760 servant type for you know, like policemen, detectives, things like that, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.960 and this was a character that was, you know, a 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.120 very high fluten character, a money kind of guy, you know, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.960 the white collar crime, business sector, all that stuff. Yeah, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.240 and so I think his thought was like, this is 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.600 not what Ricardo does. And so when my reps told 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.279 me that, I was like, get me the audition, and 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.880 they were like, oh, I said, no, no, no, do it. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:21.880 I have a point to prove. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.680 So they got me an audition and it was on 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.359 a Saturday morning, which Terry, I mean, you know, a 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.280 Saturday morning audition is the kiss Nobody's showing up. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.560 My audition was also on a Saturday. I wonder if 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:37.240 we auditioned on. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:40.000 Because it was then. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.599 I had an audition once on a Saturday. My Saturday 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.880 audition was the first movie I ever did, was called 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.480 The Big Picture and it was with Kevin Bacon and 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.760 Christopher Guest was directing it. And on Friday they had 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.000 fired the girl playing my part. They were already shooting, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.760 and so on Saturday they read like five actresses with 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.600 Heaven Bacon on a Saturday, and then on Monday they 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.600 picked somebody to go to work, and then I went 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.200 to work and started filming, and that's how I got 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.680 that movie, and that was my first movie. But it 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.840 was a Saturday. I never remember anything Ricardo, so I 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.719 don't know why that's. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:13.599 Well for me. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.640 My experience up to that point had been like the 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.960 couple Saturday auditions I had gone to, Like there was 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.200 one I went to and nobody even showed up, so 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.400 it was just like, okay, you know, so I got 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.560 a Saturday audition, great, and I'm not swabbing enough, so 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.560 this is going really well for me already. And then 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.120 I get there and it's Juny I think it was 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.159 Junie Larry Johnson. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.200 It was JUNI was there in the room, Scott was 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:35.920 in the room. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:40.800 And Mark Cherry was in the room, and so I 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.719 was like, oh, our main person is here on a Saturday. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.440 And so I was like, oh okay, and you know, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.160 I said, okay, well let me present the material. And 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.159 I presented the material and Mark's over there looking at 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.280 a very old headshot of mine, which I was like, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.320 I just got no headshots. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.520 Why did they have an old head shot? I don't 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.479 understand this. And all of a. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.000 Sudden, he just so many things and then he just 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.520 kind of looks up and he does this little look 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.200 and he's like Ricardo and I just, all of a sudden, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:08.360 I was like, oh, I just got this. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.159 I know, I just booked this role. Yeah, I knew 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.520 it right there, Like. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:18.039 So sad I was, by the way, that was a 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.640 really good impression of him. I could see him sounding 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.240 exactly like, you did it really well. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.960 So so and and then they had the next time 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.520 I met with them, and it was a work session 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.719 with the director Charles McDougal. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:30.960 Yeah, it's amazing. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:31.480 Yeah. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.320 But here's something that a lot of people don't know, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.880 which is when I went through this when I want 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.400 to hear this process. I actually did the entire audition 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.839 and I also taped the entire pilot with the Spanish accent. 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.640 Wow, and at what point did that change? 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.560 So we shot the whole thing and they were they 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.520 were getting ready to we were getting ready to go 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:01.960 into shooting the season, and they made a decision and 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.240 Michael Edelstein was part of this. I think he was 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.440 the primary on it. They wanted me to come in 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.679 and reloop via Adr in all those. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.280 Scenes, and we recorded all the lines. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.760 Without the accent, and Edelstein gave me a call and 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.360 he was like, look, it's not that we don't like it. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:22.800 It's not that we don't think that you can do it. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.720 He's like, but seriously, do you want to do that 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.080 for five, six, eight seasons? Should this thing go that far? 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.200 He goes, I just don't think that that's a good idea. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.520 He goes, I really think that we should use her 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:33.440 natural voice. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.360 And so I was like, okay. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.920 So it was more like, you think it was more 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.240 about the longevity of having to stay in that voice, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:41.760 or do you think. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.640 It was I think it was a little bit of that. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.440 I think it was also like, you know, I think 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.280 they were just questioning me in general at that point, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.080 like maybe they weren't sure about her. So And it's 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.560 kind of funny because I think I remember somebody telling 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.320 me that, like it's like you don't really realize how, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:07:59.960 you know, like on the. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.080 Cutting forward you or like on the on the on 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.360 the fence, we were about you like maybe possibly recasting 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.240 if I couldn't do this in a natural voice that 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:11.640 they felt suitable for. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.160 The character, you know what I mean. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.360 So, and then on top of it, they set aside, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.280 I think a whole day, eight or ten hours to 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.320 do the ad R. And this is like, I mean, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.640 there's significant scenes in the pilot, you know, between you know, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.800 the the Gabby character and my character and my mixing 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:34.280 in with everybody else went in and did it all 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:34.560 of it. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.080 Wow, what do you I think? I consider myself a 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.120 very good looper. Also, what do you attribute that time? 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:42.040 You know? 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.040 When I was in graduate school, my speech teacher she 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.240 always said that I had a really good ear for 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.199 being able to like, you know, catch intonations and and 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.120 and mimic and do that kind of stuff. And then 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.520 it was just simply a matter of like, Okay, we're 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.360 using that ear and then watching the screen and watching 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.920 the mouth, you know, watching watching the mouth movements on 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:03.800 the screen, and then. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.040 Just time me, you know. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.280 So yeah, I feel I feel like mine came from 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.720 my dance background, which just allowed me to have such 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:18.360 a deep cellular understanding of rhythm and the musicality of something. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.880 And I feel like it just made me be able 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.640 to listen to a line and then like understand exactly 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.199 how I was of it was. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.079 Ry is time, you know what I mean. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.480 So it's there's a timing aspect that's going on there, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.679 and for some reason, it just it's never been an 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.920 issue for me. I can use it, get in and 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.559 out of adr sessions really fast. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.160 So they changed the accent, you did the looping, And 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.000 then I'm wondering this question I'm going to have, which 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.160 I know the girls have because I think our takeaway 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.200 of the first season and I'm not I'm sure you 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.480 probably haven't watched it in a in a while, but 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.800 we've just seen every single episode. I did not remember 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:03.840 Carlos being as violent and abusive. I mean, I was 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.840 going to say, yeah, when when did you know that 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.440 Carlos was such a bad guy in this first season. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.199 I mean, you're such a lovely guy. Carlos is really 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.640 rough and problematic. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:16.679 And that. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.560 Well, you know, I mean, so there's a lot of 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.480 things that I can kind of talk. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.120 Let's see, how do I ward this? You know. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.760 The thing is is I don't I don't necessarily know 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.040 that they were really sure what they wanted to do 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.880 with the character in the beginning, and so it's very easy. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.679 It's nothing, It's very easy. It's just you can. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.600 Writing in black or white, which is then a two 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.200 dimensional character is a is a simpler way to go 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.440 than trying to write the gray strands between the black 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.520 and the white. That actually flushes out a character and 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.040 gives a character their three dimensionality. So I and I 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.160 think that that's kind of where they were with this character. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.839 They didn't know, they. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.600 Didn't know what to do with him, because I think 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.480 they didn't know what to do with me as an actor, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.320 you know, I mean, I was kind of that that 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.520 unknown variable in the cast. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:09.000 I was. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:10.920 I didn't have a lot of credits, you know, I'd 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.599 just gotten out of graduate school, and they didn't know 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.040 a lot about me. I think they were trying to 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.560 suss me out in the same way that I was 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.760 trying to suss them out. And then and then add 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.079 to that, you know, there was a certain a certain 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.360 male actor who I will not name, who liked to 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.080 go around season one saying, well, you know, any of 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.720 us guys can get killed at any time. And so, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.800 you know, for a young actor right out, you know, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.760 only a few years out of graduate school, I'm walking 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.400 around going like, oh my god, I'm lose my job, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.280 so you know, and then and then on top of it, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.880 you know, and I'm just gonna be very frank here. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.520 It's like to be sitting across a dining room table 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.280 in that first big dining room table scene that we 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.280 did in season one, you know, opposite a Terry Hatcher 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.880 and opposite of Marsha Cross, and it's like, I'm sitting 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.520 here going like what the fuck am I doing here? 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.880 Excuse my French, but it's like it's like. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.880 How did I am? Is this imposter syndrome? Like what's 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:04.280 going on? 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.920 I think it's really charming that you've felt that way, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.480 because I have to say, I am completely with you 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.240 on every job I've ever had, I am waiting to 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.800 be fired, including this one. Like I mean, so I 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.920 was living in the same insecure headspace that you were. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.480 I have that too, I really do. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:24.600 Every time my manager calls, I'm like. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.240 So wow, that's by the way, are you talking about 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.760 the scene when B says Rex cries when he ejaculate. Yes, Yes, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.120 what an amazing, amazing scene. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.080 That one and that whole first season. The writing was 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.160 just off the chart, so good. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.760 You know, have you rewatched any of it? 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:45.680 No? 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.520 And if I'm being really really transparent, I've watched I've 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.160 watched none of my scenes ever. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.080 Oh wow, I've never I can't watch myself. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:58.560 That's okay. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.559 That just goes back to like theater, so like because 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.000 like you know, when I'm doing a play, I don't 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.080 get to see the performance, right of course, you know, 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.640 so I cannot watch myself at all. It's it's even 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.040 distracting to see my little corner here on my screen 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:11.920 that has me in it. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:12.880 Wow. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.360 Well, let us just tell you you're so good. I mean, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.720 you're you know what I was saying in the intro 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.920 That really came up for us as we've been reflecting, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.480 because you know, you heard a lot about the Housewives 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.959 and the show was a big success, and then there 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.320 was lots of like pr craziness. But what you didn't 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.080 hear about is, you know, people talking about how great 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.720 the husbands were. I mean, they did, but they didn't 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.440 really in the way that they should have. And the 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.960 show would have been nowhere without you, guys, and it 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.240 it you you were, you were so good in it. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.679 So I mean, we're just happy to tell you you 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.080 look and act great on screen if you've never seen well. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.000 So what I would do is when I was home, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:57.880 because you know, i'd be playing back at home to 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.280 San Antonio, Texas, where my son was very little at 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.440 the time, and I was trying to get back there 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.280 to be with him and his mother. And so what 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.640 I would do is we would have a screaming of 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.240 the show on Sunday night, and I would sit in 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.880 there and watch everyone else's scenes, and then, you know, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.520 knowing the script, when I knew that my scene was 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.560 about to come up, I would go into the other 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.200 room and I would listen to it, but I wouldn't 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.560 watch it. Well yeah, and then and then I'd get 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.920 critiques from from his mother or her friends or sisters 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.280 that were you know, there watching it, and they'd let 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:29.640 me know whether I did a good job or not 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.280 a good job, and I would go with that and 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.560 you know, figure out how to approach the next episode. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.920 So do you remember struggling with the level of intensity, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.480 Like there was a scene that I'm recalling where you 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.320 grabbed her wrist and you were trying to get her 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.720 to sign like a post not a postp not posting 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.280 up a piece of paper, and then you like were 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.720 yelling in her ear like but then there was also 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.880 you know, a scene where you're in the bathtub with bubbles, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.640 like being silly, Like do you remember for having like 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.880 a particular moment where you would say to Mark, like, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.080 I think we've gone too far, like I can't be 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:05.720 this violent? 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:06.040 Did that? 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.480 Or Latino character for Latino actor or Latino male actor. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.400 These are tropes and stereotypes that were used to that's 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.120 how those characters are written or had been written. So 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.800 but also I think the industry has gotten away from that. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.840 When you're dealing with comedy. That's the easiest way to go, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.880 I think in terms of writing, because it's so definitive, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.920 so and it's and it's and it's something that everybody 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.640 can access. You know, we all know that Latino guy 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.840 that is like hot headed or whatever, or the guy 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.640 that's very passionate, very dunhuanish. So those are and those 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.400 are stereotypes that have been around for centuries. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.680 So yeah, it's so interesting because we've talked about the 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.960 ways in which the show has aged and the ones 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.320 in which it's aged well or its relevance is still 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.200 really felt for us, and then we've talked about certain 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.160 things that have come up that we think, oh, that's 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.840 clearly dated. It feels marked of that certain time. So 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.640 it's interesting to hear you add that perspective about it. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.200 If you guys are going to keep which which I 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.280 hope you do first off, because I think this is great. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.480 But if you're going to continue going down in season two, three, four, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.440 I mean, there's going to be some humor that you're 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.440 going to see that it's like. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.600 Now completely dated, and. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.880 There are some things that back then I even voiced 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.200 my concerns about when like I but I mean again, Terry, like, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.920 it's not season one, no way, I would have never 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:16.320 done it. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.960 But in the whole in the whole series, do you 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.040 have I mean, both for good and bad. Do you 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.240 have like favorite moments, like the most fun something that 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.960 you had an experience with a fellow castmate or the 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:35.360 particular time of writing for Carlos, Like, even in any 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.680 of the seasons, is there something that stands out that 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.360 you think super fans would enjoy hearing about it? 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.240 It's like, I what I loved was and like there 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.880 were you know, the ladies always had their poker knite, right, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.160 there was one time one season where we did a 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.560 guy's poker knite and I was like, I wish we 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.480 would have done more of that. Yeah, and then I 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.960 think that was a season that was a season that. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.320 Do Gray Scott was with us. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.560 Okay, so and then the one of the other things 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.400 was when my character had to become roommates with James 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.240 Denton's character. Who I mean, James and I still keep 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.240 in contact. I absolutely love him to death, and. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.200 I just went, we just got to go to dinner 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:15.920 the other night. So the next time you're in LA 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.440 that's a it's a it's a it's a it's gonna 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.280 be Edelstein. These two girls meet you and James that 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:24.159 I would love it. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.720 I would love it, you know, but but he they 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.199 put us together like I was staying at his house 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.639 and there was just like like I had a girl 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.120 over or something and there was just this real awkward 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.920 moment between both of us, and we just loved working together. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.760 I mean, he and I have kicked around like so 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.160 many times like we should do some sort of theatrical 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.200 show together, like a new version of The Odd Couple 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.639 or something. I just I think the world of him 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:48.919 and I'd love to work with him on anything. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:49.960 He's just a jet. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.720 I had a memory come up for me when we 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.160 were at dinner, and I'm wondering if you remember this 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.720 first season when we were promoting the show they had 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.359 they had some event kind of like an upfront for 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.879 ABC in Toronto, and they sent you and me, do 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.520 you talk about an Odd Couple? 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.359 Do you remember that? I absolutely remember that. I was 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.560 going to bring it up to you. I so remember 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.679 that because I was like, this is weird, Like she 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.280 you little, and I'm like, you know, and I was 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:26.679 like I know. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.320